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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is a Thursday, and once again best time of

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Speaker 1: the year in sports. There is a ton to talk about,

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Speaker 1: ascending teams, seasons, ending seasons on the brink. One hour

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Speaker 1: from now, Greg Cosell stops by best fifteen minutes of

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Speaker 1: football talk all week, arguably on this show or any show.

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Speaker 1: It's Greg Cosel Jmax. A team from Canada. Oh Canada

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Speaker 1: has eliminated your New York Yankees, and it was in

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Speaker 1: fairly dominating fashion.

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Speaker 3: And I know it's painful to one and then to

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Speaker 3: the error, you know, like, come on, I was close.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, doubt it.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a harsh talk this. I'll be a therapist

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Speaker 1: for the New York Yankees. Let's all sit down, take

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Speaker 1: a deep breath and admit The Yankees just aren't that good.

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Speaker 1: They're good, They're not that good. Think about this. I

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Speaker 1: looked it up this morning. If you take out the

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Speaker 1: American League Central in the playoffs since two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: the last World Series, the Yankees are three and ten

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Speaker 1: against every other division in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Three and ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great against the middling payroll American League Central

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Speaker 1: since that time, eight and two. Aaron Judge is great.

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole and Max Freed if they're healthy. What a

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Speaker 1: one to two punch. I like Jazz Chisholm. I like him,

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Speaker 1: don't love him. But they just got out hit by

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Speaker 1: Toronto fifty hits to thirty four. And the Jay's are

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Speaker 1: the better fielding team. They strike out less, they get

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Speaker 1: more hits, more contact hitters, they create more action.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees feel like an unbalanced diet, too much protein,

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Speaker 1: not enough green. Like all those weirdos on TikTok selling

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Speaker 1: you and lecturing you on the carnivore diet. Hey Champ

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Speaker 1: mixing a carrot. The Yankees are completely beholden. This team

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Speaker 1: is once Carrett Garrett Cole got hurt to home runs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Stanton had seven last year in the playoffs. This

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Speaker 1: year had none. It's a totally unbalanced baseball team. And

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judges great, But last year was all on Garrett Cole.

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Speaker 1: When you took Garrett Cole out against the Dodgers, they

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Speaker 1: looked like one of those American League Central teams against

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. This year it's all on Aaron Judge because

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Speaker 1: you don't have coal. And it's I mean again, you

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Speaker 1: needed Stanton and Judge to both be great. Aaron was

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Speaker 1: John Carlos Stanton, where's the deep ball?

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Speaker 3: So I mean, if you want to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about balance, and you can hit home runs and

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Speaker 1: pay a lot of money and have balance, the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: last year, Oh Tawny, a historic regular season carried the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers and then Tommy Edmund Nationallygue Championship Series, MVP, and

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Speaker 1: the World Series. It was Freddie Freeman. That's balance. Yankees

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Speaker 1: need to get more athletic, and they need to turn

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Speaker 1: radio off. I mean, it's not a coincidence that Seattle

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Speaker 1: They do not beat top tier franchises. They beat the

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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is Aaron Judge on this.

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Speaker 5: Once again, it comes down to the little things. Making

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Speaker 1: The other thing is this is it's like an annual tradition.

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Speaker 3: It is so predictable.

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Speaker 1: Is that you know, the Giants and the Jets and

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Speaker 1: they're too patient Brian Cashman need to relieve him. Why

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Speaker 1: So let's blame the manager. But the truth is, Aaron

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to Derek Jeter after that loss last night

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Speaker 6: What's tough is for the Yankee fans, right, this is

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Speaker 6: the second year in a row that they've watched another

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Speaker 4: Feel the frustration. Aaron did a good job.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, he's working with what he has to

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Speaker 6: know he takes a lot of heat, but look, I'm

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Speaker 6: not saying it from any inside knowledge, but I'm pretty

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Speaker 6: sure Aaron's not the one that's calling every move that

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Speaker 1: Go look at the salaries of Major League Baseball managers.

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Speaker 1: They make about half of what a college football coach makes.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason they've been marginalized they don't matter, right,

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Speaker 1: so they have to be pro player to keep their jobs.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to disrupt the locker room. Players have

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Speaker 1: think we talked about it on the show. You're not

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Speaker 1: a World Series team, but it's more than that. It's

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Speaker 1: too much. Let's be honest, Toronto dominated them. The Toronto

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of stories on Bill Belichick yesterday

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Speaker 1: after our show. One story says, and there are those

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Speaker 1: say shield corporate, professional business, kind of cutthroat. If I

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Speaker 1: said five or six words that explain college football, pageantry, bands,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a bit of a money grab.

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Speaker 1: He showed no interest in college football. None, none. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. But he's a new year job,

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Speaker 1: bottom line guy. And that's what not College football's not

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Speaker 1: college football. When you win, sometimes you got to dance

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Speaker 1: with the players. It's not about culture. Sometimes you got

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Speaker 1: Maybe to parents administrators, there's an ick factor and recently

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Speaker 1: That's not what Dan Lanning's doing. He's on the phone

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Speaker 1: to recruits. Nick Saban the day after winning a national

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to dance with the players. And Mike Lombardi,

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Speaker 3: You know, that's just not his personality. And that's okay.

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Speaker 1: Bill's a pro guy, Mike's a pro guy. That's who

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Speaker 1: book and chapel Bill and Bill had bills. The NFL

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Speaker 1: the lifestyle, and he not flying Southwest Airlines and Bill's like,

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Speaker 1: I'll take it. But from the very beginning, I was

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Speaker 1: suspicious about the buyout. Didn't you guys think that was crazy?

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Speaker 1: Bill and his agent negotiated a very very small buyout,

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Speaker 1: meaning if Bill got a job within a year, he

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Speaker 1: could leave buyouts nothing. So I don't know which story

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Speaker 1: is true. It's not going well, it's going sideways. It's

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Speaker 1: circling the drain. But to be great in college football,

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Speaker 1: Bill got this job, I said, do you really think

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Speaker 1: Bill's going to be going to volleyball matches cheering on that? Well,

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Speaker 1: cocktail tonight. That's part of college football. College football is

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Speaker 1: more fun than the NFL. The NFL is just better,

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Speaker 1: it's just run better. Big cities big brands a lot

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Speaker 1: bit more joyful and fun to those two words sound

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Speaker 1: Some are disputing that the buyouts happening. I don't have

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Speaker 1: with multiple people? And that's the start of this rant.

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Speaker 1: But that's part of what makes Goff great is seven

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Speaker 1: coordinators and six he's crushed with.

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Speaker 7: What hurts Russell Wilson is he struggled in Denver, did

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Speaker 7: not he butted heads with Peyton, struggled nice. Then he

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Speaker 7: was in Pittsburgh that you know, Land of the Year.

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Speaker 7: Now he's in the Giants. He's been benched before September

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Speaker 7: was finished.

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Speaker 1: So if you're close, like one of the arguments for

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, it actually helps him in this way. When

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Speaker 1: he was at his oldest and the least athletic quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the league, and he was and Philip would at

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Speaker 1: first to admit it. He goes to Indianapolis, goes eleven

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Speaker 1: and five, goes to Buffalo for a playoff game, and they.

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Speaker 3: Were in that thing covered the spread.

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Speaker 1: I remember, so Philip rivers old Philip got out a

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Speaker 1: comfortable when to kind of rebuilding Indianapolis. The roster India

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Speaker 1: had been is not nearly as good as the roster

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Speaker 1: now for Daniel Jones. This roster now in Indy is

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Speaker 1: legit top ten, top seven roster that wasn't eleven and five.

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Speaker 1: I go to Buffalo toe to toe with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: and I remember that game. You're like, this is a

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Speaker 1: real and that was when Buffalo was at the height

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Speaker 1: of their powers. So how you end when your borderline matters?

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Speaker 1: Golf's gonna age really well. Greg co Sell twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: of brilliance.

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Speaker 2: Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 2: Weekdays and Noone Easter nine am Pacific.

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Speaker 1: All right, we go to Greg Cosel forty six years

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Speaker 1: NFL Films. You know I would argue this week and

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Speaker 1: people are pushing back. I said, you can mark it down.

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Speaker 1: With seven coordinators over the last since twenty seventeen, Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff is number one or number two at everything in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Seven coordinators McVeigh, Dan Campbell rebuilding Detroit, and

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Speaker 1: people are like, come on, Hall of Fame, and I

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Speaker 1: think some of it is his first year was a

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Speaker 1: bust and the strong memories first and impressions, and then

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Speaker 1: Stafford's first year in LA he won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh McVeigh, punnittim.

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Speaker 1: But if you go to Stafford in golf's numbers all right,

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Speaker 1: since that trade, and remember golf had a rebuild for

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Speaker 1: two years in Detroit. Golf's numbers are better when you

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Speaker 1: look at Detroit. Does GoF deserve more or less credit?

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Speaker 1: Is it just about the run game? The old lineer?

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Speaker 1: Do you watch golf and do you say that's an

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Speaker 1: elite quarterback?

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Speaker 4: I would have leaned more toward that.

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Speaker 11: I mean GoF in many ways con and you know this,

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Speaker 11: GoF is somewhat of a dinosaur the way people like

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Speaker 11: to talk about quarterbacks now, because he's a he's a

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Speaker 11: pocket quarterback. He's not a playmaker. He's not going to

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Speaker 11: leave the pocket and make those special plays. So Goff,

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Speaker 11: as most quarterbacks should be, is a function of a system,

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Speaker 11: and he can execute a certain system at a really

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Speaker 11: high level, and he can make throws within that given system.

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Speaker 11: What he does, I believe better than any quarterback in

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Speaker 11: the NFL is throw the ball between the numbers. He's

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Speaker 11: a window thrower and let's say sixteen to twenty five yards.

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Speaker 11: Those are very difficult throws to make in the National

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Speaker 11: Football League, and he I think he's the best at it.

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Speaker 11: But again he's in many respects. People look at the Mahomes,

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Speaker 11: the Allens, the obviously Lamar, even Burrow when he's healthy,

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Speaker 11: moves around quite a bit as a better athlete than

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Speaker 11: a lot of people might think. These are the quarterbacks

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Speaker 11: we look to now, and Goff's not that guy. He's

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Speaker 11: essentially a pure pocket quarterback, but at an extremely high level.

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Speaker 1: So I thought Mahomes was really you know, he didn't

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Speaker 1: see Devin Lloyd. Sometimes you don't see in cluttered, congested areas,

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Speaker 1: you just don't see a linebacker. And so I was

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Speaker 1: more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or

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Speaker 1: his pick. I mean, Brady threw a pick six in

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Mahomes did not see Devin Lloyd. He

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Speaker 1: did not see him. But now I think the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks with a bunch of young receivers and new guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the film says. I think Mahomes

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Speaker 1: is really dialed in right now. And again, this is

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Speaker 1: not a great old line. They have no running grade,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a number one receiver. I think he's

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Speaker 1: playing exceptionally. Well, what's the film say?

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Speaker 11: You know what, Colin, It's a very odd offense to

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Speaker 11: watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense.

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Speaker 11: There's a lot of short throws. Those obviously have some rhythm.

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Speaker 11: When I say short throws within maybe six yards of

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Speaker 11: the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: Occasionally they'll take a deep shot.

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Speaker 11: There's almost no timing and rhythm intermediate passing game we

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Speaker 11: just spoke about Jared Goff. There's none of that with

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Speaker 11: the offense for the Chiefs, and we haven't seen that

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Speaker 11: maybe for a year year and a half. And then

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Speaker 11: Mahomes makes special plays. His spatial awareness is as good

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Speaker 11: as anybody we've ever seen. His ability to move away

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Speaker 11: from people, keep his eyes downfield with unbelievable vision, maybe

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Speaker 11: the best we've ever scene. But from an offensive conceptual standpoint,

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Speaker 11: you just don't see a lot of rhythmic throws. As

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Speaker 11: I said, let's say between fifteen and twenty five yards.

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Speaker 11: And I don't know why. I can't answer as to

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Speaker 11: why you don't see that, what the issue is, but

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Speaker 11: you just don't see it. It's very much a random

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Speaker 11: offense with can Mahomes make plays and he's so good

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Speaker 11: at it, and he's so good on third down, particularly

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Speaker 11: using his legs, that it's a tough offense to defend

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Speaker 11: because defenses have to change the way they play.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about Eagles Broncos, and I'll

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Speaker 1: start yeah with bo Nicks, who Vic Fangio had his number.

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Speaker 1: And then in the fourth quarter between the play calling,

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Speaker 1: bo Nicks get the ball out quick. Suddenly Denver got

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Speaker 1: into a rhythm and it was really pretty and it.

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Speaker 3: Was chunk, chunk, chunk.

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Speaker 1: What did bo Nicks and Sean Payton do in the

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Speaker 1: fourth that they couldn't do early?

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Speaker 11: I don't know if with so much that they did

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Speaker 11: anything dramatically different. I mean, obviously the third and fifteen

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Speaker 11: play was great. I mean that was a big time

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Speaker 11: play and that came against zone coverage. But in the

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Speaker 11: fourth quarter he also hit Cortland Sutton on two back

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Speaker 11: shoulder fades where Quinnon Mitchell had great coverage and it

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Speaker 11: was just good on good and Nix and Sutton and

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Speaker 11: beating Mitchell. Those were just back shoulder that was match

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Speaker 11: up football. You're seeing one of them right now. They

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Speaker 11: started to run the ball a little bit, which they

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Speaker 11: couldn't do early in the game. You know, Nicks just

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Speaker 11: hung in there and played. I mean I didn't see

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Speaker 11: watching that tape. I didn't come away feeling like wow,

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Speaker 11: all of a sudden bone, Nicks turned it on and

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Speaker 11: he played great. When you get in the past game

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Speaker 11: and you know this, Colin, you get matchup football, or

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Speaker 11: you get schematic football where the scheme presents a clean,

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Speaker 11: defined read for the quarterback. But you also get matchup

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Speaker 11: football where it's one all one and your guy.

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Speaker 4: Wins, and sometimes he doesn't win.

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Speaker 11: I mean, Nicks made a great throw on the second

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Speaker 11: play of the game to Sutton on a vertical row

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Speaker 11: where he got on top of Mitchell and sudden dropped it.

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Speaker 11: You know, so these things happen as well. But he's

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Speaker 11: a tough cover and they put Mitchell on him in

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Speaker 11: sudden one in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: So Philadelphia is not doing anything particularly well. So let's

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Speaker 1: just concentrate on this. I would argue, you know, week one,

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Speaker 1: they didn't even throw to AJ Brown, But in the

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Speaker 1: last four weeks he's getting as many targets statistically as

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. So they're trying to get in the ball

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Speaker 1: and it's still not working. Rams the exception. So why

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Speaker 1: don't Aj and Jalen Hurts work consistently Because they're trying.

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Speaker 1: The targets tell you they're trying.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 11: First of all, let's start with what they have to

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Speaker 11: be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't,

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Speaker 11: which they know in the building. By the way, the

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Speaker 11: quarterback has limitations in terms of where he can throw

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Speaker 11: the ball effectively. He's very good throwing it outside the numbers.

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Speaker 11: We saw that in the Rams game a few weeks

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Speaker 11: ago when starting in the second half they did go

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Speaker 11: one oh one to AJ Brown versus the Rams corners

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Speaker 11: who are not high level corners. But one thing Jalen

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Speaker 11: Hurts has never done particularly well. He's not a window throw.

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Speaker 11: He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers, as I

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Speaker 11: said we were talking earlier, fifteen to twenty five yards.

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Speaker 11: In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback

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Speaker 11: in the league, throwing the ball between fifteen and twenty

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Speaker 11: five yards between the numbers.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't see the game that way.

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Speaker 11: They have to be a running football team, and right

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Speaker 11: now they're not running the ball at all, and the

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Speaker 11: old line is hurt, it's banged up, and it's not

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Speaker 11: played anywhere near as well as it has the last

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Speaker 11: three four years when it was arguably the best in

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Speaker 11: the league. I mean, they gave the ball to Barkley

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Speaker 11: five times in the first half last week in a

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Speaker 11: game they were winning, and in the second half they

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Speaker 11: gave it to him one time. They have to be

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Speaker 11: a running football team. They are not a passing team.

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Speaker 11: Even last year winning a Super Bowl, they were not

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Speaker 11: a passing team. Jalen Hurts had ten games last year

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Speaker 11: Colin Wood. He threw for less than two hundred yards.

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Speaker 11: One of the best, not the best, one of the

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Speaker 11: best things about Hurts is he never turns it over.

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Speaker 11: That's critical for how they play. But as far as

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Speaker 11: the passing game, it has limitations. You know this, Every

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Speaker 11: coach plays to his quarterback. So when you watch a

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Speaker 11: team and see what they do, think about what they

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Speaker 11: do and then think about the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So there are fifteen quarterbacks right now in the NFL

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Speaker 1: with a passer rating over one hundred.

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Speaker 3: There were six two years.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of zone. So for a

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Speaker 1: lot of these veteran guys like a Darnold or a

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Speaker 1: Baker or a Dak, you know, it's a throw it

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Speaker 1: to a spot Jared Goff and they're really good at that,

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Speaker 1: very much as a right, right, But I mean Dak's

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing. CD's out. I would argue they don't even

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Speaker 1: have a dependable number two receiver. It's more threes. They're

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Speaker 1: tight ends. Okay, O line still feels like to me,

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Speaker 1: it's a little patchwork, and it's okay. The film may

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Speaker 1: say something there. The run game is fine, it's not special.

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Speaker 1: And here's Dak putting up big numbers with a bunch

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Speaker 1: of kind of number three receivers and solid tight ends.

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Speaker 3: Not special.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in all these years and all these snaps,

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Speaker 1: we didn't love the staff that was hired. Well, maybe

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Speaker 1: they're better than we thought. But what does the film

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Speaker 1: say on Dak? Because is there a quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: league doing more without special surrounding talent.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think what Dak and we talked about this.

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Speaker 11: I remember we had this discussion two three years ago.

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Speaker 11: What Dak has evolved into as he's advanced in his

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Speaker 11: career and had a number of leg injuries, is he

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Speaker 11: is an efficient distributor of the football. He's a ball distributor.

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Speaker 11: He's an executor. He's very very good at it. That's

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Speaker 11: what his game is. And when you put him with

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Speaker 11: a Brian Schottenheim, who's actually very good orchestrating an offense,

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Speaker 11: you get an efficient pass game. But the one place

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Speaker 11: where I might disagree with you a little bit is

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Speaker 11: I think their run game has been better than you think.

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Speaker 11: Javonte Williams is starting to look more like he did

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Speaker 11: coming out of North Carolina when he was in his

647
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Speaker 11: first year with the Broncos before all the leg injuries.

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Speaker 11: He's I think fourth or fifth in the league in rushing.

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Speaker 11: He's pretty high up and he's averaging coast to six

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Speaker 11: yards of carry.

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Speaker 4: And their run game now is very, very viable.

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Speaker 11: It's a meaningful, significant part of what they do offensively.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk about, first of all, a

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Speaker 1: quarterback who I liked a lot who has grown quickly,

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Speaker 1: and then a team I like a lot that I

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Speaker 1: think people are surprised by. So let's start with Drake May. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I predicted they'd make the playoffs. I'm a huge fan

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Speaker 1: of Rabel, but let me be clear. I like Drake

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Speaker 1: May a lot, but in the last two to three

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Speaker 1: weeks he's taken it to a different level. And I

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Speaker 1: still don't think they have elite personnel. I like their backs,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think they have elite offensive personnel.

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Speaker 3: Something has clicked. What is it?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's funny because I actually think he's played this

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Speaker 11: way from week one. It's just they' won a couple

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Speaker 11: of games recently and then makes it appear that.

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Speaker 4: He's playing better.

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Speaker 11: I think right from the beginning of this season, Colin,

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Speaker 11: he's been outstanding in areas you never expect a second

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Speaker 11: year quarterback to be good at. That's on third down.

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Speaker 11: He's been outstanding on third down. He's been outstanding versus pressure,

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Speaker 11: and they're starting to throw the ball more on first down,

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Speaker 11: which is always the best down to throw because you

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Speaker 11: get much more predictable front looks, you get more predictable

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Speaker 11: coverage looks you just get a better feel for the

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Speaker 11: quarterback when you call plays and it's first and ten

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Speaker 11: or normal down in distance situations. So I would argue,

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Speaker 11: and I agree with you one hundred percent. I think

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Speaker 11: he's been really good from week one. It's just had

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Speaker 11: a big win on national TV on the road in

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Speaker 11: a very difficult place to play when he was really

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Speaker 11: really efficient, So it just made it seem like he's

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Speaker 11: playing better recently. But I think he's played like this

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Speaker 11: since Week one.

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Speaker 1: So a team that and in this league when I

686
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Speaker 1: had text an occasional general manager, is that you can

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Speaker 1: do so many things right as a GM, but if

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Speaker 1: you don't have the quarterback right. People for years have

689
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Speaker 1: been on Chris Ballard in Indy and I've been saying,

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Speaker 1: I follow the draft. I like their roster. I think

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Speaker 1: it's good. I think they have good weapons. I think

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Speaker 1: they're O line. You can tell me about the film says,

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Speaker 1: but I think their O line is way above average.

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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, they get Daniel Jones playing well,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, they've had the roster, had they

696
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Speaker 1: had the Rams beat two weeks ago, They've got the players,

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Speaker 1: But I think all of us are holding our breath

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Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones. It just he looks a little stronger,

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Speaker 1: He looks more confident, his body language is better. What

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Speaker 1: is it with Stichen and Daniel Jones, Because I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's one of these you know September early October

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Speaker 1: runs that Brian Fitzpatrick had, Do you know a couple

703
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Speaker 1: of those? It's like, no, I think this is going

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Speaker 1: to last. I think Daniel's pretty good now.

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Speaker 11: I think Colin this speaks to the marriage of coaching

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Speaker 11: and quarterback play, which I've just come to believe is

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Speaker 11: so so important because when I watch this team, I

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Speaker 11: see Shanenstike and really presenting Jones with his route concepts,

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Speaker 11: with a lot of clean, define reads, so he's comfortable

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Speaker 11: turning the ball loose to the primary receiver. And one

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Speaker 11: thing for people to notice with Daniel Jones is rarely,

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Speaker 11: and you saw this a lot with the Giants, obviously,

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Speaker 11: but you rarely see him get stuck in the pocket

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Speaker 11: where it seems as if he has nowhere to throw

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Speaker 11: the football.

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Speaker 4: He drops back.

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Speaker 11: And he's decisive, and he's decisive because the receiver that

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Speaker 11: he looks at first, the primary is available to him.

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Speaker 11: And I think that the scheming of an offense, of

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Speaker 11: a pass game, the way a coach calls a game

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Speaker 11: throughout the game, has so much to do with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 11: You know, when we see a quarterback throw to a

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Speaker 11: relatively open receiver, and Jones has done a lot of

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Speaker 11: that this year, we always say that's great quarterback play,

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Speaker 11: but really he's being set up for great quarterback play.

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Speaker 11: And I think the marriage has been outstanding and Jones

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Speaker 11: has been so good, especially on first down, where again

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Speaker 11: we just spoke about that they are really really good

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Speaker 11: throwing the ball on first down.

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Speaker 1: There are two teams in this league that I like

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Speaker 1: a lot, and they're both very young, green Bay and Seattle.

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Speaker 1: And green Bay, as young teams are prone to do,

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Speaker 1: green Bay is struggling to figure out how to close

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Speaker 1: out games against inferior teams. Cleveland, Dallas. Seattle young teams

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Speaker 1: second youngest offense, couldn't close it out although they were

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Speaker 1: on the doorstep against the Niners, and they couldn't close

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Speaker 1: it out against Tampa. So I think green Bay and

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Speaker 1: Seattle are very good. They may be a year away.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Packers are. But when you watch

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold and those losses to San Francisco or Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Does it make you think turnovers not quite good at

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Speaker 1: same old Sam?

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Speaker 3: Or are you watching?

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Speaker 1: Are you watching Sam and you're thinking this is an

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Speaker 1: elite top ten twelve quarterback?

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Speaker 11: I would look ten more toward what you just said

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Speaker 11: at the end of that. You know that interception he

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Speaker 11: threw last week, that was a classic Todd Bowles pressure

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Speaker 11: and they got in clean, Winfield got in clean, and

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Speaker 11: then he threw and hit the helmet of a defensive lineman.

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't know if it would have been complete.

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Speaker 11: Otherwise it probably wouldn't have been, but it probably wouldn't

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Speaker 11: have been an interception. But Donald, you know, you know Darnald,

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Speaker 11: and you know you've always liked him. He's a big,

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Speaker 11: physical guy. He throws the ball really well. Again, you're

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Speaker 11: dealing now with a system where he seems more decisive

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Speaker 11: than ever. And that's the key for him, because he's

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Speaker 11: not most quarterbacks. But it's more true of some than others,

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Speaker 11: and it's true of Donald. The longer he stays in

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Speaker 11: the pocket, the worse he is. So you have to

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Speaker 11: design your system and your route concepts against anticipated coverages

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Speaker 11: so that he can hit that backfoot and deliver the football.

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Speaker 11: So they've been able to do that really, really well,

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Speaker 11: and he's performed, I think, at a really high level.

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Speaker 11: And the other important point, Colin, He's only been sacked

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Speaker 11: six times in five games.

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Speaker 4: They're o line this year.

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Speaker 11: Charles Cross at the left tackle at top ten pick

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Speaker 11: is clearly having the best year of his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he came out highly coveted.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna we're gonna last next couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes to wrap it up, We're gonna talk Baker Mayfield, right, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face at, Tampa is a big playoffense

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Speaker 1: and they're doing it with this unbelievable rookie. But there

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Speaker 1: what I like about Baker is Baker's always had great

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Speaker 1: confidence in trusted himself, and now even without Mike Evans

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Speaker 1: or Bucky Irving, like he's got some weapons at BUCA,

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Speaker 1: looks like Rookie of the Year stuff. He's a sensational talent.

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Speaker 1: So this was one of the best most entertaining games

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: It was a epic.

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Speaker 1: It was an electric game on a beautiful Pacific Northwest

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Speaker 1: Sunday what did you see from.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think what there were ten incompletions in the

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Speaker 11: whole game by both quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: It was crazy.

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Speaker 11: Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly

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Speaker 11: decisive because he throws and I know we've talked about

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Speaker 11: this over the years. He throws a great ball, a

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Speaker 11: way better ball than people might think because he's not

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Speaker 11: a big, imposing looking guy, like He's not like Jared

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Speaker 11: Goff who just looks big and imposing. But he has

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Speaker 11: a really good arm, throws a great ball. He's always

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Speaker 11: been very aggressive throwing it too. With that mindset that

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Speaker 11: he has. And as you get older, I think he

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Speaker 11: just knows just from playing, just from experience, you know,

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Speaker 11: getting more and more at bat so to speak, he

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Speaker 11: just has a better feel for when I can turn

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Speaker 11: it loose, when I don't have to turn it loose,

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Speaker 11: but he turns it loose when necessary. And he's got

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Speaker 11: a big arm, and he can make really difficult throws

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Speaker 11: and he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when

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Speaker 11: the situation demands it. And again, I think he's now

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Speaker 11: with the same system, even though Liam Cohen isn't there,

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Speaker 11: it's essentially the same system as it was, and you

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Speaker 11: can tell he's extremely comfortable, and there are certain throws

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Speaker 11: always that stand out to me where it's a combination

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Speaker 11: of scheme and the throw. And if you want, we

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Speaker 11: can go right to the play that I want to show,

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Speaker 11: because I think this is a really good example of it.

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Speaker 11: So let's take a look at Baker from this. This

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Speaker 11: is from last week. And as I said, this is

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Speaker 11: just a really good combination of scheme and a really

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Speaker 11: good throw that just seems like, oh, he's open, but

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Speaker 11: it's not quite that simple.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to see him under center.

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Speaker 11: And by the way, we don't see a lot of

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Speaker 11: quarterbacks under center, so it's the fact that he's under

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Speaker 11: center is a big deal. And it's what we call

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Speaker 11: a three by one set. You have three receivers to

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Speaker 11: the wide side of the field, and that's a Buka

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Speaker 11: up top is what we call the boundary X. The

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Speaker 11: single receiver to the short side of the field. Now,

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Speaker 11: what's he looking at Baker? Initially two high safeties, but

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Speaker 11: that's going to change. Now what they're going to call here,

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Speaker 11: and you're seeing more and more of this in the

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Speaker 11: league call in motion. You're seeing motion Shepherd is going

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Speaker 11: to cross the formation and what jet action whatever people

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Speaker 11: want to call it, and then he's going to release

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Speaker 11: inside of Abuka. Now, notice that the coverage has changed.

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Speaker 11: It is now covered three, so it went from too

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Speaker 11: high to cover three.

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Speaker 4: And Baker turns his back a little bit because it's

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Speaker 4: play action.

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Speaker 11: So what you're going to get here is Shepherd the

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Speaker 11: motion receiver running a vertical route, and you're going to

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Speaker 11: get a Buka running essentially a wheel route. So it's

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Speaker 11: two vertical routes. And what this is going to do

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Speaker 11: is it's going to put the corner. I think it's

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Speaker 11: Josh job here who's actually become a very good player,

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Speaker 11: but it's going to put him in conflict because you

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Speaker 11: can see his body is turned towards Shepherd running that

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Speaker 11: vertical route because he knows that his safety is coming

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Speaker 11: from the other side. So now with his body turned

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Speaker 11: that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all

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Speaker 11: by Abuka. It's just he's in conflict. It's just too hard.

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Speaker 11: And then so what happens is you get a Buka

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Speaker 11: running the wheel in the deep third of the that's

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Speaker 11: his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this is

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Speaker 11: not an easy throw by the way because he has

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Speaker 11: to throw it over the top of that underneath defender,

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Speaker 11: which you're going to see here. So it might look

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Speaker 11: easy because it looks like the book is wide open,

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Speaker 11: but it's not easy. So again, this is just a

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Speaker 11: perfect example again of scheming and making good throws. And

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Speaker 11: I think ultimately the good passing games are about that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Greg Cosel Thursday as alas we get smarter.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Greg, Thanks Colin.

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00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: We bring in Chris Sims on the show pretty regularly,

863
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: and then there's Matt Simms.

864
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: He's working at the other place.

865
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: But you know who I relate to is Phil Simms

866
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: because now we're both at the age when we wake

867
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: up and we go to the pill.

868
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: Closet and the vitamin closet, and Phil.

869
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Simms, host of Sims Complete on the Believe Network, is

870
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: joining us fifteen years. We just talked about nad magnesium

871
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: and Omega three pills during the break and I've never

872
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: felt better about my decisions. You and I do the

873
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: the same life. I just go off a little more

874
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: than you.

875
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 10: I mean, we were talking like two old guys sitting

876
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 10: there going, hey, I take this in the morning to that,

877
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 10: and I'm gonna just tell everybody out there, whatever I'm taking,

878
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 10: it's working. Okay? Does that feel good and not sleeping? Great?

879
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: There you go. Same thing.

880
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: So fifteen quarterbacks right now right have one hundred plus

881
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: passer rating.

882
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: Two years ago it was six. Now.

883
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Some of it phil is because I think there's a

884
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: lot more good offensive coaching. There's a lot of sharp

885
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: young guys out there. And I also think everybody plays zone,

886
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: so it's a little throw to a spot. You lived

887
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: in a world where it was man to man coverage.

888
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: Now it's zone and you just throw to a spot.

889
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: And a lot of these young guys are strong and

890
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: throw to a spot. But when you look at your

891
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: era and this era of quarterback play, do you see

892
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: a gap? I mean, does it feel easy today with

893
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: some of the rule changes.

894
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 10: Well, I think yeah. The first thing is say throw

895
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 10: into a spot. Everybody's playing zone and they want to

896
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 10: keep their eyes on the quarterback in the backfield to

897
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 10: stop the big runs down the field. And if you

898
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 10: play zone in the NFL. Against the quarterbacks that we're

899
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 10: seeing out there now, you say fifteen, I would probably

900
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 10: say more. They're gonna pick you apart, and that's what

901
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 10: defenses want. We're gonna let you complete the passes, but

902
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 10: we're going to run up tackle you, and you have

903
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 10: to go with long drives, sustain a lot of plays

904
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 10: to score. That's what you see. And these quarterbacks, they

905
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 10: just keep getting better every year. And to answer your question,

906
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 10: Colin my era that I played in, I don't know

907
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 10: what to say. This whole group that plays now, they

908
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 10: are remarkably different and better than what we put on

909
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 10: the field, I think most of the time.

910
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: So I love watching the old films with you and Parcels,

911
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: and it's just that confrontational stuff is funny. It rights itself.

912
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: But Philadelphia right now is having an identity crisis. They

913
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: don't know what they are. Back with Parcels, did you

914
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: guys even use the word identity or is that one

915
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: of those words like narrative that everybody uses, or did

916
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: you just like, listen this every week was a different

917
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: game plan or did Bill believe in, Hey, this is

918
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: what we are, this is what we're always going to be.

919
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: We're not going to deviate because Philadelphia right now doesn't

920
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: know what the hell they are. They're a run team

921
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: and they can't figure it out. Again, go back to

922
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: your six years Giant Super Bowls. Dominant team was identity discussed.

923
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 10: Never never, I don't know, you know, hell, you know.

924
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 10: These player only meetings, I will say this, we did

925
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 10: a couple of them. I hated them. I didn't pay attention.

926
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 10: I'm like, please get it over with, let's get out

927
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 10: of here. Because the guy that set the table, the

928
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 10: guy that walked in there every day, Bill Parcells, that

929
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 10: was the player's meeting, and okay, whatever he said, we

930
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 10: didn't have to have a player's meeting because he was

931
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 10: going to take care of himself and he knew when

932
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 10: to do that. And so when I see the players

933
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 10: doing it, then I go, okay, I believe it works

934
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 10: for them, if that's what it is. But I would

935
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 10: prefer Nick Sirianni get in front of the team and going, hey,

936
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 10: all right, enough of this, let's do this. We're going

937
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 10: to move on. And if you don't want to be

938
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 10: part of it, good, I'll get somebody else and let

939
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 10: it go. Yeah. So yeah, I mean gosh almighty, You've

940
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 10: won so many games, what is it twenty out of

941
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 10: twenty one, and here we are having players meetings and

942
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 10: things like that. It says Philadelphia. It's different, that's for sure.

943
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: So there are quarterbacks and coaching relationships. You know, the

944
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: creative gene of Andy Reid and Mahomes is such a

945
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: good fit because Mahomes is a creative type. And then

946
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: there are sometimes it just works despite the fact that

947
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: the coach and the quarterback may not see eye to eye.

948
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: I think Big Ben and Tomlin it just worked because

949
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: Big Ben was so damn talented. But I look at

950
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: Shanahan and outside of Trey Lance, I mean, Kyle shab

951
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: was a pro bowler. He won with Brian Hoyer. Mac

952
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Jones was done. Mac Jones now is unbelievable. So when

953
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 1: you look at Kyle Shanahan, what did I say, Ryan?

954
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: What named I screw up? Matt Shabby. When you look

955
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: at Kyle Shanahan, he virtually takes every quarterback he's had.

956
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: Garoppolo has disappeared since he left. What's the secret, sauce?

957
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: What do you think he does? The language he speaks,

958
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: the touch, the feel he has, what is it? With Kyle,

959
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: because I'd argue today Phil, no coach is winning with

960
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: lest they have sixty percent of their starters, their playmakers

961
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: are all hurt.

962
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 10: Yes, Hey, it comes down to this. You talk about

963
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 10: Mac Jones, people ask me, Hey, whatever all this howdy play?

964
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 10: I said, Yeah, Kyle Shanahan gave him the Mac Jones offense.

965
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 10: That's what he did. Who's my quarterback. I'm going to

966
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 10: adapt to him and call and design plays that fit him.

967
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 10: And everything they did in that game against the Los

968
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 10: Angeles Rams, it was right out of the book. Hey,

969
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 10: Mic Jones specially, he's a big guy, can stand in there,

970
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 10: he can get rid of the football quick, He's a

971
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 10: good decision maker. Everything that's good for him Kyle Shanahan

972
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 10: put into that game plan. If it had been Rock

973
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 10: Perdy playing that game, we had seen some rollouts, deeper drops, moving,

974
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 10: and many more throws deep down the field probably. But

975
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 10: that's the one thing about Kyle. You can go through

976
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 10: all the quarterbacks that he's had, and when they get

977
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 10: a chance to play, basically they all play well. So

978
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 10: that's not luck, that's him designing plays and knowing how

979
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 10: to call it.

980
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 1: So I made this argument earlier that I'm okay. Many

981
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: of our great quarterbacks have been a little reckless at

982
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: times now. Now, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first

983
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: where you got the upside without the interceptions. But he

984
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: Nameth and Elway and Peyton a lot of picks and

985
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: Eli did.

986
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but I mean.

987
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has the most turnover worthy plays so far

988
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: in the league, according to PFF. And my take is, well,

989
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: that's Baker's style. He plays through his chest. He's a

990
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: big emotion guy. I think if you try to change Baker,

991
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: you lose who Baker is.

992
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 3: What do you make of him as a quarterback?

993
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 10: Well, first off, they're not trying to change him down

994
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 10: in Tampa Bay. I watch his games because I enjoy

995
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 10: him and because he is a fun watch. And let

996
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 10: me tell you, he is an elite thrower of the football.

997
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 10: He throws that damn thing exactly where he wants it

998
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 10: to go, and his decision making is pretty good. But

999
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 10: I like the fact that he's aggressive because he can be.

1000
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 10: I'll tell you a quick story that just personifies who

1001
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 10: Baker Mayfield is. Somebody asked Todd Bowles, how would you

1002
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 10: describe Baker Mayfield, and Todd Bowles took a quick second

1003
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 10: break and he goes. I would say, Baker, will you

1004
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 10: walk across the room there and stick your face in

1005
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 10: the fan? He would do it. And that's who he is.

1006
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 10: He's just tough as hell, resilient, can really throw the football,

1007
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 10: and he's He's great for the team because he doesn't

1008
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 10: eat up a lot of space about Baker Baker Baker

1009
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 10: like some quarterbacks do with their teams. He's part of

1010
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 10: the group, the players loving and Tampa Bay. Whatever he's doing,

1011
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 10: would they just keep doing it because it's going well.

1012
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: All right, Let's get a little update your thoughts on

1013
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, the new Giants guy. He's got to look

1014
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: he's kind of cool looking and he's got a decent arm.

1015
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't what do you make of what you've seen

1016
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: so far?

1017
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, he is cool. I gotta admit. I was down

1018
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 10: at training camp a lot. I watched him every day,

1019
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 10: really close, not every day, but almost, and he didn't

1020
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 10: have bad days. He threw the ball well. And I

1021
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 10: think the one thing that I made a mistake on

1022
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 10: until I found it late right before the draft. I

1023
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 10: was watching his war of his tapes and every everything

1024
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 10: to see what I really thought about even all of

1025
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 10: a sudden, I went, wow, I have underestimated his mobility,

1026
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 10: and his mobility's been a big part of these first

1027
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 10: two games. And what I like about it is he's

1028
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 10: reading the defense whatever, trying to throw it, but if

1029
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 10: the gap is open in front of him, it's straight

1030
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 10: down the middle every time, and he's been really good

1031
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 10: at that. They have a chance to be to New

1032
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 10: Orleans Saints. I thought they were the better team, but

1033
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 10: the mistakes, that's what you're going to get with the

1034
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 10: young quarterback. You don't pull him back too much. You

1035
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 10: just kind of go all right, settle down a little bit,

1036
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 10: but you want to keep being aggressive because being aggressive

1037
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 10: gives you a chance to be a really good quarterback too.

1038
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: So when you were with a Giant, so was Bill Belichick,

1039
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: and I know he was on the defensive side. I

1040
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: never thought he was a college football guy. I think

1041
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: college football is a little more joyful, the bands, the alumni,

1042
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: the parents.

1043
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: Bill's a pro guy.

1044
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 9: To me.

1045
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: You know, I never got it.

1046
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: Are you surprised it's been this big of a kind

1047
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: of a mess so far.

1048
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 10: Well, I think we were together thirteen years with the Giants.

1049
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 10: He came in in seventy nine, I think, the same

1050
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 10: year I did. But yeah, I listen. I'm very surprised.

1051
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 10: I thought he would go down there and kind of

1052
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 10: show college football there's a little different way to do this. Well,

1053
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 10: he did it a different way, but it's not working.

1054
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 10: And you know, I, hey, look, you don't spend thirteen

1055
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 10: years with the guy. He did a lot of great

1056
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 10: things for me, said things to me, talk to me

1057
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 10: when I needed it, and all that stuff, and taught

1058
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 10: me too. But so I feel bad, and I hope somehow, Honestly,

1059
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 10: I just hope when the year's over, I hope he

1060
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 10: decides to do something else, because man, it's almost impossible

1061
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 10: to watch the games. It's that bad.

1062
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is, you know, And I'm sure you've

1063
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: been asked this before it goes on the speakers circuit.

1064
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: The Giants have had a really bad ten year run.

1065
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: New York Sports right now is a bit of a

1066
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: has met spill. Yeah, that's bad. And you can only

1067
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: point fingers. I mean, the Yankees have been very patient

1068
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: and they've had some success. If I pointed to you

1069
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: and said, okay, give me a paragraph on what's gone

1070
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: wrong with the Giants, coaches, quarterbacks, GM's ownership because it listen,

1071
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: when I worked at the other place, I always said

1072
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: they were the accounting firm of the NFL. They were quiet,

1073
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: they didn't make a lot of noise, they were well run.

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Speaker 1: They were never flashy, but you knew the numbers were right.

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00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: They just they were smart. Something has gone haywire because

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00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: I always thought the Jets were squirrely, but the Giants

1077
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: were big blue. They would figure it out. Phil, it

1078
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: has been a rough, rough stretch. Where do you point

1079
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: the fingers?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, you always start with this player acquisitions.

1081
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 10: You know, the draft. You hope it goes well. There's

1082
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 10: so much into it, and you know, I don't know

1083
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 10: how these guys have great drafts sometimes because you just

1084
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 10: never know about players, even you do all the research.

1085
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 10: But the draft hasn't been great. But these last couple

1086
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 10: of years, the guys that they've been drafting, they're playing

1087
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 10: and actually doing pretty well. So I really don't have

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 10: an answer for that why it's not going well, But

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 10: I do look at other teams they're having success, and

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 10: what they have is just a group of stars that

1091
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 10: are all in and they're connected to the coach and

1092
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 10: it's hard and tough, and that's who they are. That'll

1093
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 10: never go away from football. And if you want to win,

1094
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 10: you've got to be physical, you've got to be tough,

1095
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 10: and you've got to be smart. And I'm not saying

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00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 10: the Giants aren't that, but maybe the personnel has not

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00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 10: given them that chance. So I'm going to go to

1098
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 10: the game tonight and I think they'll play the Philadelphia

1099
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 10: Eagles close, and I won't walk out of the stadium

1100
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 10: shocked if they win, but I'll be happy because I'm

1101
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 10: just gonna be honest. I'm a root for the Giants.

1102
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 10: So yeah, it's unbelievable. Every year I see the draft

1103
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 10: all this, I go to training camp and I go,

1104
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 10: this might be the year. This is a year. And

1105
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 10: with the lead neighbors and of course the quarterback and everything,

1106
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 10: I was watching the past rush, I said, man, they

1107
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 10: got a chance. And they've had two chances and they

1108
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 10: lost both of those games Dallas and down in New Orleans.

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 10: Yeah that changes a year, Colin. I mean, just think

1110
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 10: if they'd beat Dallas in overtime or beat New Orleans

1111
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, we'd be going, hey, look at film,

1112
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 10: what about the Giants. Man, they might be in the playoffs.

1113
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 10: And that's how close it is I think in the NFL.

1114
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: This just popped into my head.

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Speaker 1: You're covering some college football now sims complete on the

1116
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: Believe Network. So we'll wrap it up with this. Your

1117
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: son played at Texas, and I've said this before, of

1118
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: the five toughest jobs in all of sports in America,

1119
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Texas Longhorns is near the top of

1120
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: that list. It is insane pressure, the donors, the coaching,

1121
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: the culture. It's almost got an NFL feel in terms

1122
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: of it's in a cool city. There's a lot of business,

1123
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of money. It's not your typical rule

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00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: college where you can get a friendly media and everybody's.

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Speaker 3: Texas football is big.

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00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: It's bigger than a lot of college NFL programs, right,

1127
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: It's bigger than Jaguars football in Jacksonville. Your son played there.

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Speaker 1: Arch Manning is really struggling. Take me to the pressure

1129
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: your sun felt and that it's just not another college

1130
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: quarterback job at Texas. It feels almost professional.

1131
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could even

1132
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 10: answer that question about my son. We never talked about

1133
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 10: how you're feeling and all that. And you know, I

1134
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 10: always gave words of encouragement, and I not to get

1135
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 10: off target here, but I always say to like parents

1136
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 10: of quarterbacks that are coming up through high school that

1137
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 10: are really good and in the pros, I say to them,

1138
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 10: stay with them, be in contact them as much as

1139
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 10: you can to help them through all the hardships are

1140
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 10: going to come, because if you don't, it's just not

1141
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 10: going to work out well. And I'm not sitting here

1142
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 10: going to confession, but you know, I didn't make that

1143
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 10: connection with my kids as much as I should have.

1144
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 10: I should have been on top of it more. And

1145
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 10: you know always say this too. They're eighteen year olds

1146
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 10: coming out of high school. What the hell do they know?

1147
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 10: They don't know much of nothing right, and so I

1148
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 10: should have been there as a parent to give them

1149
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 10: more information. But with arch Manning, I'll say this. I

1150
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 10: studied him during the offseason. I loved it everything about

1151
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 10: him and what I'm seeing now I was like, wow,

1152
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 10: I just I did not see any of this last year.

1153
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 10: But I would boil down to this, just try to relax,

1154
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 10: whatever it is. But his throwing is what has caught

1155
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 10: my attention. It just hasn't been on target. He rushes, throws,

1156
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 10: his motion looks like it's changed from what I saw

1157
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 10: last year. And I think that's part of the problem.

1158
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 10: When you call him. When you throw the ball well

1159
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 10: and you know where it's going to go, you don't

1160
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 10: become a good decision maker. You become great great. You

1161
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 10: see it, you believe it, you complete it, and let's bought.

1162
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 10: And right now, I just see doubt sometimes in arch

1163
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 10: Manning when he's throwing the football. That's he's like, oh,

1164
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 10: I want to complete it. You know, when you want

1165
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 10: to complete him too bad. It usually doesn't work. So

1166
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 10: we'll see, you know, more experience, I will say, he'll

1167
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 10: kind of fix this and look a lot better. So

1168
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 10: year goes along.

1169
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: Phil, as always we talk about once every couple of years.

1170
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: I always loved chatting with you. Great wisdom, and you

1171
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: look fantastic. I'm not going to say your age, people

1172
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: can google it, but you look you look really good.

1173
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 10: Well Hill, all right, well, my wife never tells me that.

1174
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, should Hey.

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 10: You know, listen, I'm looking for interviews, so bring me

1176
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 10: on every once in a while. You know, I'd like

1177
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 10: to beat it up, you know, and all right. Let

1178
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 10: me This would be the last thing I say real quick.

1179
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 10: The quarterbacks. I know you like the guy at Oregon,

1180
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 10: and you know what you should. He's really good. Yes,

1181
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 10: and Oregon, if you want to be a good quarterback,

1182
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 10: go up there and get taught and run that offense.

1183
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 10: You'll do well. But what's coming into the draft this year,

1184
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 10: it's probably gonna be real. There's going to be a

1185
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 10: lot of them. But you know what's coming in the

1186
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 10: following year behind them is another damn group. So this

1187
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 10: quarterback situation, there's enough quarterbacks to go around for this hole. Lead.

1188
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,479
Speaker 10: The big thing is can we get coaches to create

1189
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 10: a scheme to lead the team to let these quarterbacks

1190
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 10: show who they are? I mean, what happened all of

1191
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 10: a sudden. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold are stars when we

1192
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 10: watch them, and they were thrown to the sidewalk a

1193
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 10: couple of years ago.

1194
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: So there you go, Phil Simms. We will bring you

1195
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: back on, and I mean it, we're going to bring

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: you back.

1197
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 3: I love this. I appreciate it.

1198
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 4: Thanks man.

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Speaker 10: It'd be great if you bring me back on and

1200
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 10: then pay me. I don't like that. Even better.

1201
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: We do that Fox is doing well, the stock prices up.

1202
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: We got plenty of cash here.

1203
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 10: All right, Well, thank you, thanks for having me on

1204
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 10: Colin

1205
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: You bet, Phil Simms