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Speaker 1: to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, and check out my episode

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Speaker 1: on the movie Don't Breathe, which just came out a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Alright, on with the show Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck

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Speaker 1: and Jerry's here too. Um, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know, the anthropology edition. That's right. And I

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Speaker 1: would argue our one to three maybe four Maya adjacent podcast. Well,

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Speaker 1: we did the mind calendar. Yeah, the world ending in.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think we did that back then, right,

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Speaker 1: we did another one last December. I believe did climate

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Speaker 1: I lost count since you were talking. Well, I was

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Speaker 1: embroidered and stuff. Yeah. So. Um. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: just cloud their minds in their eyes and make them

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00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: not as smart. And that's their creation story. Yeah, it's

428
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Yeah. Um. They they had a pantheon of

429
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: gods um, much like the Greeks had um that were

430
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: dedicated to like a sky god or rain god. Um.

431
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: There were like more than one creator god um. It

432
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: depends on what period of the Maya civilization you're talking about,

433
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: which one was more important than another. One might be

434
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: a little more important to one city state than another. Um.

435
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: So they kind of just jockeyed in and out of importance.

436
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: But they were still generally the same pantheon. And again,

437
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: in addition to art and um and like other ideas,

438
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: their religion was traded amongst themselves and with outside groups

439
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: as well. That's right, Like they would trade God's right. Yeah,

440
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: like I'll trade you a rookie shawl for eight eight

441
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: tops cucko khan. Uh. This part this next are really

442
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: sort of gets me going intellectually, is when we talk

443
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: about their system of agriculture. Uh. They were great, great farmers. Um.

444
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: You know, some say too great and that they over farmed.

445
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: I guess that would make them that great farmers because

446
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: I don't know about over farming, but they were really

447
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: good at making things grow and and depending on where

448
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: you were, which mind culture you were talking about. Uh,

449
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: that was it could be very very dry if you

450
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: weren't near water, if you were inland, and they have,

451
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: you know, rainy season in your dry season. They have

452
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: to contend with that dry season, and they did so

453
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: by building these huge underwater cisterns that would collect enough

454
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: water to basically last them about half of a year. Yeah. So,

455
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: like every built structure was engineered so that anytime it

456
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: rained during the rainy season, that water got channeled right

457
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: into that underground cistern. And it wasn't just carved out

458
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: of limestone, chuck. I mean it was they carved it

459
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: out of a bedrock and then covered it up, but

460
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: they also covered it with stucco so that it would

461
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: be waterproof and could hold enough water to keep everybody

462
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: going for the rest of the year. So cool. They

463
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: had um aqueducts in one of the city's Uh. I

464
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: would pronounce that pelink polink polink. Okay, you say that

465
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: as if you know for sure I've heard the word before. Polink. Plus,

466
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's more fun to say than polink. That

467
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: sounds like a Internet challenge from you know, several years ago. Yeah,

468
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: it's really I don't know. I've never done an Internet challenge.

469
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: I always think it's funny when they pop up. So

470
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: the Polink challenge went away. But the Polink A they

471
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: had a system of aqueducts and they actually I mean,

472
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: in my mind, I don't know what the Chinese were doing.

473
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: It seems like they invented everything. But in my mind,

474
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: they created water pressure. They're the first people I heard

475
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: of to create water pressure, right, using like a drop

476
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: in elevation and a narrow conduit for yeah, and then

477
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: little kids would just dance and play in front of it. No,

478
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: that wastes the water. Um. There's also like great use

479
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: of filtration to which is amazing if you think about it.

480
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: But two cal Um they use zeolite and quartz zeolites

481
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of like a clay like silicate um and quarts

482
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: as courts um. The thing is is neither one of

483
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: those are found at too cal Um. They're found kind

484
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: of far away, So they were purposefully put in their

485
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: water reservoirs. Uh. And the reason why that's so impressive

486
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: is because zeolite and quarts are used today to filter

487
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: microbes out of water. Yeah, and they figured it out.

488
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: They think probably they just realized that the natural aquifer

489
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: around the zeolite cory tasted better, was clearer, that kind

490
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: of thing. So they just quarried the zeolite and moved

491
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: it over to their own reservoir. It's possible it's a

492
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: pretty good gas. We just don't know for sure how

493
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: they got the idea. We just know they didn't. Yeah,

494
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it seems like just brilliant innovation,

495
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of it seems like just good common sense. Yeah,

496
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: it really does. They knew a good idea when they

497
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: saw one, that's right. They also had irrigation canals. Uh,

498
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: they had tiered agriculture fields that were cut into the hills,

499
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: so it would prevent erosion, it would prevent flooding, and

500
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: water would just sort of drained down like a beautiful

501
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: champagne fountain. Yeah. I mean, that's terraced farming, and that's

502
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: been like invented multiple times by different cultures independently. It's

503
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: just again a really good idea, wonderful idea. They also invented,

504
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: or at least employed, raised beds for farming. Uh So

505
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: if they're you know, they wanted to keep things a

506
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: little dryer, they would build a raised beds and then

507
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: you could still have wildlife underneath aquatic wildlife. Yeah, I

508
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: think they were actually doing aquaculture too. They were raising

509
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: the fish and the turtles, and that the swampy area

510
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: next to that, next to the raised beds. Wonderful idea.

511
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: So they also did what you mentioned before, slash and

512
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: burns called milpa. It's where you take a section of rainforest, cut,

513
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: cut it down, leave the vegetation in the trees in place,

514
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: and burn them there, and then the resulting ash covers

515
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: the dirt and you plant directly into the ashy dirt.

516
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: You don't till the soil, and it's really really good

517
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: at fertilizing um an area without any kind of inputs,

518
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: certainly no fossil fuel based industrial inputs, and it keeps

519
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: the land going for about two to three years. But

520
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: then after that it gets depleted, which means that you

521
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: have to take that plot of land and leave it

522
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: fallow for about fifteen years. So if you do some

523
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: pretty quick back of the envelope math, you have to

524
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of land to to cycle through

525
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: so that you can leave each spot fallow for about

526
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: fifteen years. They need a lot of land or very

527
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: low population. And that's one of the reasons why some

528
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: people say must have we must have covered it in

529
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: our episode from back in December. But some people say

530
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: that's what led to the clin of the Maya. They

531
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: over farmed, they over slashed and burned. Their population got

532
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: too big to support through slash and burn agriculture because

533
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: it just requires too much land because of the fallow

534
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: period you have to have. Was that December, I believe so.

535
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the years are running together these days. Crazy.

536
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I would have guessed that was seven years ago. I'm

537
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was December. Another thing that they did

538
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: was sports ball. Yeah. I don't know what it is, Chuck,

539
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: but talking about this particular game is always annoyed me.

540
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I've always hated

541
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: this game because we talked about it before we have Yeah,

542
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: and plus, I mean it's a big anytime you talk

543
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: about the Maya, you can't not talk about it. You know,

544
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: why would it annoy you? I don't know, anno easy

545
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: that they did it. It's just an annoying game. I

546
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, well, they had a ball game, uh

547
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: called either poc to poc or pocket talk. And you know,

548
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, I'm of the belief that most

549
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: of these sports games are pretty similar soccer, hockey, basketball,

550
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: American football. They they're all sort of the same, which

551
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: is they sort of simulate war, like here's our side,

552
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: here's your side. We're gonna try and go on your

553
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: side and do something, and you're gonna try and come

554
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: to our side and do something, and we're both going

555
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: to try and prevent one another from doing that thing,

556
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: whether it's putting a puck in a net or a

557
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: soccer ball in a net, or a basketball in a hoop,

558
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: or a football in an the end zone. And this

559
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: may or may not take place during a ten cent

560
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: beer night too. But they had a game all long

561
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: window way of saying, they had sort of the proto

562
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: version of this game where they have been able to

563
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: sort of reconstruct how it might have been played, except

564
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: they did not use these a little rubber ball that

565
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: they used by mixing latex with juice from a morning

566
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: glory vine to make it bounce here, and they wore

567
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: padding like you would in football American football. That's news

568
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't realize that they were padding. Does

569
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: that annoy you. It's okay, I'm neutral. Uh. And then

570
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: the key here with this game, though, it makes it

571
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: so different is uh, they didn't use their hands or

572
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: their feet. They would use their mainly their hips, I think,

573
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: but their elbows in their knees as well to move

574
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: this ball until you, uh, in a very kidd itch

575
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: like move, quidditch like move, throw it through two stone rings.

576
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: You almost just got us torn to pieces. I'm really glad,

577
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I think yourself. Yeah, maybe it's them. It's quidditch, right, Yeah,

578
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: so it's close quidditch. So maybe it's the use of

579
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: the hips. It just seems really painful and that they

580
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: should have been like this really hurts. Let's try our

581
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: hands or our feet instead. It seems intuitive to use

582
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: hand and feet. Yeah, and not hips. There's no other

583
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: game in the history of games as far as I know,

584
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: and I know a lot about games um that used

585
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the hips. Um, but it's twister they did, or maybe golf.

586
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: It's all in the hips. M. I've been playing on

587
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: golf again lately, Oh you have. Yeah, I got back

588
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: into it after like a twenty year layoff. Oh that's right,

589
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, are you still loving it. I'm having fun.

590
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Good way to spend some

591
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: time with friends. That's what tiger Wood says, and he

592
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: also says must dominate. All right, let's take a break

593
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: and let's come back and talk about the supposed fall

594
00:35:49,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: of the civilization right after this. Okay, So we talked

595
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: about all these different periods, um and the end of

596
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: the ninth century is typically considered the end of the

597
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: Maya classical period, what you referred to earlier as the

598
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Golden Age of the Maya, and for a lot of

599
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: people that equates with the fall of the Maya civilization.

600
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: That was it. That's when their cities were abandoned and

601
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: reclaimed by the jungle. That's when their ideas and thoughts

602
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: and languages and culture were lost. And that was that

603
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: was when the Maya became a loss civilization. And like

604
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: we said at the outset, that's just not true. I mean,

605
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: the Maya is still around today. But in addition to

606
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: being more of a dispersal than a fall um, that

607
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't happen all at once to all of the Maya

608
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: city depending on where you were the Maya territory. Some

609
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: of those cities not only kept on going just fine.

610
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: New ones were developed, like way after this this supposed

611
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: fall of the Maya civilization. Yeah, which that's really interesting

612
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: to me. In fact, we get Maya, I don't think

613
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: we said from Maya Pan, which was one of the

614
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: last ones, and that was founded in twelve sixty three.

615
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: So this was after the supposed you know, fall of

616
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: the Mayans and the classic period um one of them.

617
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: In fact, the last one to fall, which is in

618
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: modern i Guatemala today, was almost in the eighteenth century.

619
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: It was in six when the Spanish finally took the

620
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: final um Mayan city basically, and we mentioned the Spanish

621
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: because they were, uh, they were the big reason why

622
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: things stopped. It wasn't. I mean, there was a dispersal

623
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: for sure, But when the Spanish came and the Christian

624
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: missionaries came is when things got really ugly. And they

625
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: basically said, we're going to squash your culture, We're going

626
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: to take away your language, we're going to burn your

627
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: written history, and you're going to be like us now right,

628
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna be Roman Catholic and you're gonna like it um.

629
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: And as we learned in Guatemala, um the modern Maya

630
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: uh and the Maya. From this colonial period, UM got

631
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: into syncretism, which is where they took their original traditional

632
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: religion and meshed it with the forced upon them Roman Catholicism,

633
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: so that they associated saints with specific deities like Um, Mashamo,

634
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: the the may A deity who helped me quit smoking. Yeah,

635
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: good old Mashamo. Yeah, he was associated with St. Simon,

636
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and you would go to him and say, I have

637
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: this vice I need to I need to get rid of.

638
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Please help me Mashamo. You give him a cigarette and

639
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: some I think maniac root wine or liquor, and uh

640
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: light a candle and he would take care of you.

641
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: I forgot all about Mashamo. Oh how could you? That

642
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 1: was one of the Yeah, that was a long time ago.

643
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: And uh we obviously shout out our friends at co ED, Uh,

644
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: the charity organization that we've been working with for years

645
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: who got us down there to begin with. So just

646
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: go check out their their work and uh sponsor a kid,

647
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: give them a access to books and education. Yep, co

648
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: ED you see dot org right, Yeah, go check them out. Um.

649
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: So you said that the Spanish missionaries, the Franciscans in particular, um,

650
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: were the ones who came in after the leading tip

651
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: of the spear, the conquistadors who would come in slaughter

652
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of people, subjugate them, and then the Franciscans

653
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: would come in and rebuild them in the European style

654
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: and voiced you know, um, the Spanish language on them,

655
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: Roman Catholicism on them, um. And that the Maya kind

656
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: of adapted with syncretism, right. But one of the big

657
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: ways you you get rid of somebody's culture getting rid

658
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: of their writing. And I think you said it earlier,

659
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: but the Franciscans burned almost all almost every book as

660
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: far as we know, except four of those codices were burned,

661
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: destroyed by Spanish missionaries in the colonial period when they

662
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: were trying to subjugate and convert the Maya um. Which

663
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: is extraordinarily sad because it just makes you wonder how

664
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: much history and and cosmological thought was just totally lost

665
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: forever through that. Yeah. I mean they wrote a lot

666
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: of books, uh. And those codices were made from fig

667
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: tree bark and they were folded accordion style, and you

668
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: can there's some of that stuff that's that's carved into

669
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: monuments that you can still see, uh, some of us

670
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: painted on walls and pottery that you can still see

671
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: that survived. But just those four, uh survived and these

672
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: were basically post just after the end of the Classic period. It.

673
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: So there is good stuff in there about you know,

674
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: prophecies and medicine and their history and astronomy and science

675
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: or religious rituals and stuff like that. But again, like

676
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, like who knows how much we

677
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: would understand if if they hadn't have just torched everything.

678
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Well so, and then the surviving stuff, um, the surviving

679
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: writing and the hieroglyphics that mayan Um system of writing

680
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: that was so developed, Um, it wasn't cracked until uh,

681
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: not that many years ago, I think the twenty one century.

682
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: And there's a really great nova Um episode on PBS

683
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: called Cracking the Maya Code. And it's just almost like

684
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: this thriller where like a group of like linguists got

685
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: together and um figured out you know what it meant

686
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: without a Rosetta stone, nothing like that. They just had

687
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: to make conclusions and assumptions, and um, they finally figured

688
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: it out. But um, one of the other things that

689
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: happened to one of the remaining kind of bits of

690
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: written information was on the hieroglyphics stairway at Copon. Another

691
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: great city, one of the temples Chuck was a pyramid

692
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: and it had the staircase and the staircase was made

693
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: of limestone blocks with hieroglyphics carved into it that told

694
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: the story. But unfortunately, the first archaeologists who excavated it

695
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: back in disassembled the staircase to examine it, and when

696
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: they put it back together again, I guess they realized

697
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: that they hadn't noted where it was originally, so they

698
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: put it out of order. So whatever it was trying

699
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: to say is lost to history forever thanks to archaeologists.

700
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: And they said, it says there's a lady who knows

701
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: all that glitters is gold, and as she winds on

702
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: down the road, and they're like, no, no, it's all

703
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: out of order. There's something about a bustle in your

704
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: headgerow that doesn't make any sense. It still doesn't make sense. Uh.

705
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: The um colonial period that came much much later, the

706
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: agenous languages were um discourages. One way to say it

707
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: kind of squashed is another way. Uh. And then finally

708
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies and eighties, there was a revival

709
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: of the Maya and Guatemala to basically say, you know,

710
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: our language is important, our cultural rights as indigenous people

711
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: are important, and they made some concessions. They're they're not

712
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: officially believe Guatemala still has not accepted any of the

713
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: indigenous languages as official co languages like it does with Spanish,

714
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: but uh, they are acknowledged, they're part of the national

715
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: identity and Guatemala and I believe that you can receive

716
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: public services in your native language, in indigenous tongue, even

717
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: though they're not official languages. They still guarantee that. Yeah,

718
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: that's really something. And that also actually comes after a genocide.

719
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: There was a genocide against the Maya by the Guatemalan army,

720
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: which presumed that the typical indig and it's Maya in

721
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: Guatemala supported the guerrillas in the late seventies early eighties,

722
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: and something like two hundred thousand Maya indigenous Maya were killed,

723
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: uh in nineteen between nineteen eight and ninety three, and

724
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: another one and a half million um just disappeared and

725
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: are presumed to have been killed. And they keep finding

726
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: like mass graves that that definitely underscore the fact that

727
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: they were killed. So almost two million people were killed

728
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: in three years in tiny little Guatemala um. So so

729
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: much so that like there was a substantial hit to

730
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: the Maya population in that country. Um, but they managed

731
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: to hang on and stay around and maintain links to

732
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: their you know traditions still. Yeah, I mean, if you

733
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: go there today, you will see uh traditional mind people. Sometimes.

734
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: Uh the women might be wearing to the traditional clothing,

735
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: which is beautiful. Uh. Eat some of that food, is

736
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: my advice. Sit down with some of them, have a

737
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: conversation if you can. I guess we should finish up

738
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: with a little bit about human sacrifice instead of that

739
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: lovely note. Ye. So there's a great article in the

740
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: Economists called who did the Maya Sacrifice? And there was

741
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: another one in Reuters called Ancient Maya Sacrifice Boys not

742
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: Virgin Girls colon study. But there was this you know

743
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: notion that I mean, sacrifice happened in numerous ways. There

744
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: was blood letting. Sometimes. There was the ball game that

745
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: we spoke of. A lot of times they would play

746
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: the game against another city state and someone in that

747
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: city state would die if they lost and be sacrificed. Uh.

748
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes they would sacrifice children like you spoke of. They

749
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: would uh throw them in the sootes which are the

750
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: swam in them when I was in Mexico, and it's

751
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: an amazing experience, but UM, to know that that kind

752
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: of thing happened there is a little sobering, to say

753
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: the least. But the underground, you know, pools uh in

754
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: these caves and uh, there's no way getting around it.

755
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: You know, they sacrifice people, and so they you know,

756
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: they definitely did it with uh when at war, they

757
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: would a lot of times sacrifice someone from another city

758
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: state to sort of appease the gods and not their own.

759
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: But they thought, maybe we can find out, um, who

760
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: these people were. And there's a lot of gobbady cookie

761
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: science that we won't get into and how they did it.

762
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: But they looked at their at these uh at teeth

763
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: and from examining the teeth in the isotopic ratios, they're

764
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: able to basically determine where people came from depending on

765
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: uh the enamel of their teeth. And what they ended

766
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: up finding out was what they called it was anywhere

767
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: and everywhere where Who these people were. There were half

768
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: of them were locals, about a quarter were from some

769
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: distance others from hundreds of kilometers away, and they were, uh,

770
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, there were children, there were boys, there were girls,

771
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: there were adults. It was sort of all over the map.

772
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: So I think they were hoping for sort of like

773
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: a tidy little answer there and they did not get one. No,

774
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: But didn't they say that it was ultimately mostly younger boys,

775
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: like teenage boys. Well that was that was the Reuters study,

776
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: and that was um when they would specifically, I think,

777
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: throw children in the sontes to call for rain. I

778
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: think they used to think that those were, uh, they

779
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: sacrificed virgin girls. And what they found out that was

780
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: because I think they had ja jewelry and things like that.

781
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: But they said no, they found out that they were

782
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: in fact mostly young boys, right, And they would throw

783
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: them in the semeotes because those were considered portals to

784
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: the underworld and they were sacrificing not just for rain,

785
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: but also just to keep things going. Like they they

786
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: believed that the gods were nourished by human blood, and

787
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: by sacrificing humans, the sun would come up, crops would grow,

788
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: night would come and turn into day again. Um, like

789
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: the world would just keep functioning as a as a

790
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: matter of nourishing the gods with human blood. Yeah. I mean,

791
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: it's definitely something to keep in mind when you go

792
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: to tour and swim in a soote. It's a you

793
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: should always sort of respectfully think about that kind of stuff.

794
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: I think. And don't look down. Don't look down, you're

795
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: down already. Don't look up. That's where the bats are.

796
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: Did you go scuba diving in it? No? Uh, we

797
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: went on a great tour and ended up being just

798
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: the three of us and this one other woman is

799
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: very nice lady from Dallas. Uh, And we were the

800
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: only ones down there, and our guide was this awesome dude,

801
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you just it's like caving. You

802
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: go deeper and deeper and deeper about in knee deep

803
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: in water this cool, beautiful, perfectly clear water with blind

804
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: fish all around you. Uh. And then you get to

805
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: the sort of the swimming hole part. Uh. There are

806
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: others not taste down there that you can scuba dive

807
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: in and zip line in and the inner tube and

808
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: there's tons and tons of people, but this one was

809
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: way off the beaten path and very quiet and very

810
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: private and uh, more of a historical educational type of

811
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: tour was great. Yeah, a little in fact that may

812
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: invented the zip line so that they could zip line

813
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: in the scene note taste. But he gave us these

814
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: um waterproof flashlights. You know, it's our way around. And

815
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: I was floating. He gave us about thirty minutes just

816
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: to sort of swim and float in this one main

817
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: swimming cavern. Uh. And it's they electrified it down there.

818
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: They had these colored lights. It was really spectacular. But

819
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: I was laying there and I was floating, and I

820
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: saw these big sort of look like portals. There's these

821
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: little indentations in the ceiling above me, and I was like, oh,

822
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: I wonder what's in those? And it turned on the

823
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: light and it was like twenty bats just hovered and

824
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: sort of shaking and shivering together. Uh. And yet there

825
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: is no more natural instinct than to get out from

826
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: under that hole. Like a bat's gonna just fall on you. Like, no,

827
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: they fly, he kind of. But your instinct is like

828
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: every time one of us walked under one was like, oh,

829
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to be under that, right. Yeah, it's

830
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: very cool though, Yeah, ah, you got anything else? I

831
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: got nothing else? Well, Chuck's got anything else. I don't

832
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: have anything else, and since uh that's the case, it's

833
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: time for a listener mail. I'm gonna call this our

834
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: second kidney donation email. We did one in our last

835
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: episode we just recorded, and this one is from a

836
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: kidney donor and it's pretty great. Uh. He discovered our

837
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: podcast six years ago and said, about seven years ago,

838
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to sign up to donate my

839
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: kidney to a stranger. I was fortunate enough to be

840
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: a universal donor. Our blood type was a match, and

841
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: the ride started. It took blood work every two weeks

842
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: for four months to get cleared. I met the recipient

843
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: and his family. They had two young kids, so it

844
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: made my decision that much easier and I would do

845
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: it again in a heartbeat. Some interesting facts the remaining

846
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: the remaining kidney can grow up to larger to make

847
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: up for the missing friend. I don't think we said that. No,

848
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I was also curious at the

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Speaker 1: time how they decided which one to take. They scoop

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Speaker 1: out the one that has the longest yurager because it

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Speaker 1: makes for an easier transplant. Uh. Here's another one. One

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Speaker 1: part was not mentioned is the six inch incision at

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Speaker 1: the waistline where the surgeon reaches in almost elbow deep

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Speaker 1: to grab the kidney. Isn't that something? Yes, he very

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Speaker 1: very clean arms. He said he made the mistake to

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Speaker 1: watch a video surgery video after he had it done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's probably, he said, Now that I'm a living donor,

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Speaker 1: I'll be at the top of the waiting list of

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Speaker 1: ever needing a kidney. I'm not sure if this is

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Speaker 1: the case everywhere, but would help others, uh, if it

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Speaker 1: would help others that are on the fence about it

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Speaker 1: to know that. Uh. And our seven year transplant anniversaries

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Speaker 1: in May, so I had to write in and give

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Speaker 1: kudos for the great episode. And that is from Shane

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Speaker 1: Green and Candy and New Hampshire and Shane. We usually

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Speaker 1: don't do shout outs, but I think the rule now

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Speaker 1: is if you'd give a kidney, then you get some

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Speaker 1: shout outs. Because Shane wrote back after I said he

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Speaker 1: was going to be on listener mail and said, UH,

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Speaker 1: please shout out the Dartmouth Hitchcock Transplant team. Please shout

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Speaker 1: out Donate Life, which helped pay for Shane's bills while

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Speaker 1: he was out for five weeks. UH, and most importantly

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Speaker 1: my family that backed me up, my lovely wife Bree

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Speaker 1: and my daughter. Maybe we are all listeners and our

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Speaker 1: anniversary is coming up soon. So as from Shane Green,

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Speaker 1: he sent a picture of him and Big Mo, his

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Speaker 1: transplant friend. He was six ft six that's why they

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Speaker 1: call him Big Mo. And it's just a great story.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing you did that, Shane. Yeah, Shane, way to go.

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Speaker 1: You definitely get shouts out any time for that, just

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Speaker 1: right in next time you're like, I'm in the move

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Speaker 1: for a shout out. Yeah. If you want to add

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Speaker 1: a nice cheese steak the other day, right exactly. Um,

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Speaker 1: Shane didn't let us know something amazing you did, we

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Speaker 1: might give you a shout out to who knows? You

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