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Speaker 1: I love working in media. Do I love working media? Sure?

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the book we read today. Is one

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Speaker 1: so she gets poached and she you know, she has

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464
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Speaker 1: there's a huge budget, there's this test kitchen. They're doing

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Speaker 1: all this food all the time, but things are not

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Speaker 1: running smoothie. There's a lot of acrimony. And this is

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Speaker 1: the staff by being like a fougiis And this scene

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Speaker 1: test kitchen and they're making a cake and there's like

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Speaker 1: twelve chefs around, and they're making this chocolate cake like

472
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Speaker 1: potentially for a next recipe for the next issue. And

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Speaker 1: now they ask her what she thinks. I could feel

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Speaker 1: their eyes upon me as I study the jewel like

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Speaker 1: little cake. Considering my options, I could begin by commenting

476
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Speaker 1: on the prelim topping. Was it too sweet? Too bitter?

477
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Speaker 1: Maybe the pieces should be smaller. The chocolate was another

478
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Speaker 1: obvious target. I could suggest using one of higher quality.

479
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Speaker 1: Should I speak up for the moscar Poe? Her language

480
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: so beautiful? Should I speak up for the mascarpone. Then

481
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: the fork met my mouth and my body was flooded

482
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: with sensations. As the dark, dense near bitterness that the

483
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: cake collided with the crackling sweetness of the preline. The

484
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: flavors tumbled about a sensory circus that was finally tamed

485
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Speaker 1: by the rich smoothness of the frosting. It was all

486
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Speaker 1: I could do to keep from reaching for a second bite.

487
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Speaker 1: Extremely hard to hide my smile. I knew this cake.

488
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Speaker 1: The cook's eyes bored into me. I'm guessing I tried

489
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Speaker 1: this und tentative that this cake has an English pedigree.

490
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: And then the girl goes, how did you know? Then

491
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Speaker 1: she goes, unlike Americans, the English don't overdo the sugar

492
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Speaker 1: in their chocolate cakes. And then she goes that praline's

493
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: a nice touch, lovely texture, and I wouldn't mess with

494
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Speaker 1: the mascarpone cream cheese. Read so carrot cake, don't you think? Ah?

495
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: I see hearing so I used to. It's the perfect

496
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Speaker 1: thing to say if you're like, you're your first day

497
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Speaker 1: on the job, just be like, I'm complimenting everyone, but

498
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit. And yeah, because she also

499
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: comes in and this first it's not even her first day,

500
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: the three months before she starts, and like they're all

501
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: being so devil wars produm like eye rolling at her,

502
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: and she promises to them because she like needs to

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Speaker 1: prove herself. Also that like she'll come in every day

504
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Speaker 1: after she leaves in your time's office. Yeah, look while

505
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: she's still working at the time he gets brought in,

506
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: Like the day that's like say, is like okay, oh

507
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: the old editors out and this gal's in. And then

508
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: she's like standing in front of everybody and she'd like

509
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: written that speech and she couldn't think of anything. Come

510
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Speaker 1: in and she's got like sixty people staring at her,

511
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: and she's just like, I'm gonna come in every day

512
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Speaker 1: for the next three months until I start and then

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Speaker 1: I'll yeah say this one thing about mascarpone. So I

514
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Speaker 1: used to clean the SEVERER test kitchen is my UM

515
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Speaker 1: Food magazine experience. So SEVER is no longer in print. No,

516
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: I think the website their turnover was wild. I could

517
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Speaker 1: tell is the maid like it was always just a

518
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: fully new staff like every week I went in there.

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Speaker 1: But now I do recognize that one of the test

520
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: kitchen people has like a muncheese YouTube show. Okay, so

521
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: SEVER was a jumping off plane for her, but it

522
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: was very like always redoing the office, and I would

523
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: like grab Sever my way out and like I feel like,

524
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Speaker 1: get did you see the magazine get Thinner and thinner

525
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: yea and running away, and I feel like they were

526
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: trying to actually take over foot. Gourmet used to be

527
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: pre Ruth, where it would be like seven page story

528
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: about going to like about like a clem Glass. Yeah.

529
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, all the Severse stuff just

530
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean it was like the SEVER. I feel like

531
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the way that people talk about Sever at Bony Pete

532
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: when I started was like that's what we want. We

533
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: want to be Severt nineties Sever. It was like Gourmet

534
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: was too close, and it was like, we want to

535
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Speaker 1: be ninety, to be retro fabulous. Well, yes, and we

536
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: want these kind of like glorious blush stories where you

537
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: have like a ton of texture and you're really like journalism, yes,

538
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and you're like exploring cuisines and and like you know,

539
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: by the end, I feel like Sever was kind of

540
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: like you know, I also there are a lot of

541
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Speaker 1: things that I liked about Sever, but I feel like

542
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: it ultimately was like every story was kind of the same,

543
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: and it was like I haven't been to where I

544
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Speaker 1: grew up blank place in blank country in ten years,

545
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: and this is my first trip back and I to

546
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Speaker 1: make blank dish with blank member of my family. And

547
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: then they're kind of shooting it themselves and it's like

548
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: a little awkward. Well, I was always trying to like

549
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: be so um was like in the movie, like they'd

550
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: been making some of them in test kitchen. I'm like

551
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: and I'd be like swiffering, like and I'm just being

552
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: so like, hey, you over there to swift for do

553
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: you want to try this? And me too? And like

554
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like, oh me, yeah sure, And

555
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like I say something like

556
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: whatever cream cheese, I'm like, oh good, touch with the

557
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: slivered pistachio almonds would be too Jordanian? Is that rosewater edges?

558
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: And they're like and they like they're like, what if

559
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: you came in tomorrow. It's just a it's just a

560
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: part time job. Yeah, do you want to do? You

561
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: want to spot here? You're just like cleaning after hours

562
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: and there's like one of the test kitchen editors is

563
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: like crying they can't figure out how to make the

564
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: cake better, and You're like, let me try, Yeah, what

565
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: do you know? You're just a mad and you're just

566
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: like my mother worked many many hours cooking soup for

567
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: the Governor of New York. I learned all her tricks

568
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: of the trade. She used a niece actually in her cheesecake.

569
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: She raised those kids like they were her over. But

570
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: the thing about that cake though, and that anecdote was like,

571
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: after she had like, you know, done her performance in

572
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: the test kitchen, the food editor was like, how did

573
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: you know that? That's actually incredibly random, like don't give

574
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: me this like English pedigree shit, and she's like, I

575
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: actually literally had that cake last month for the recipe

576
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: and bake at all the time. So it was just

577
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: like and I'm like it was the kind of thing

578
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: where I'm like in this book, I'm like, is that

579
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: a true story? Because that sounds crazy? Well, I but

580
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: you know what I loved about it was like she

581
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: was like we had been at this rises found in London,

582
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: so it's like she is still being like globally fabulous.

583
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: It's like it does make sense she's trying restaurants and

584
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: every night of the week. Well, and also if you're

585
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: like thinking about like before food was a thing, yes,

586
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: it was like when people are talking about like a

587
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: very specific caliber of restaurants that like, there's only a

588
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: certain caliber quote unquote caliber of restaurant that is going

589
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: to be in gourmet that she's going to go to.

590
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: She's in London, it's like, actually like far fewer. Well,

591
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: but I don't think that it makes her of fraud

592
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: that she remembered that she could taste remember that recipe

593
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: from London. I think it just it makes her like

594
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: believably of that world and makes her observant, and like

595
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: that's what an editor needs. So I was just wondering

596
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: if that story was true because it seemed like it

597
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: just seemed Yeah, it just seems so crazy, but you know,

598
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: I believe it. I believe it to because I feel

599
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: like one thing that's weird about memoirs is like sometimes

600
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: there's so all these specifics and you're like, you can't

601
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: possibly remember that. I don't remember what I said last week?

602
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: How do you remember what you said fifteen years ago?

603
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: But this book is like there's kind of big spots

604
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: of time she kind of skips over. So it's why

605
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of do believe the story is

606
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: a little bit because it's not being so. And then

607
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: the next day and then the next day, like it

608
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: seems like it is only just what she remember. The

609
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: dramatic parts of this book that I'm obsessed with is

610
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: which why I am obsessed withal because she is so

611
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: dramatic about food. Is the story when so her son

612
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: hates Nick. He hates that she's the critic because you know,

613
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: she goes out to eat every week. She comes back

614
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: from a night out and he's asleep and he's like, Mommy,

615
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm hungry, and she's like she's like the jer baby

616
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: said her feature and he's like, yes, but it's not

617
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: as good as you you're cooking. And then she's like,

618
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: if this reminds me of the scene, and something's got

619
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: to give. One day in Keaton makes blueberry pancakes for

620
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson and she goes, do you want me to

621
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: make spicy Chinese noodles? They'll be done in a flash,

622
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: and she's like, Nick paled his feet and she's just

623
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: like ginger glistening garlic in the pan. And it's like this,

624
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: it's so Manhattan, like this ten year old like craving her,

625
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: like gorgeous. She's firing up her momofuku like crazy too,

626
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: because I was. I got confused because that anecdote came

627
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: kind of like early in the book and then like

628
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Speaker 1: later on she reveals that her kid like didn't eat

629
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: yet anything that wasn't white. I was confused by that too,

630
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: because he had this crazy like sickness for twelve years

631
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: and never ate anything as they were lay noodles. He

632
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: was like, they were like, he has like some kind

633
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: of autoimmune disease, and so we have to keep him

634
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Speaker 1: on the cocktail of antibiotics or he might die. And

635
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: then he's like making him like chilly girl no, because

636
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: then it's like then they have that story about him,

637
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: like the going to the Japanese restaurant and like each

638
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: like he literally just eats rice becasse chef who slowly

639
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: introduces him to like increasingly rare fish, one thing at

640
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: a time, and then they're like, let's take him off

641
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: the antibiotics. I think it's time. And I was like,

642
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: is this like a munch Housen by proxy? Like I mean,

643
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: he's like so like he was so little and sickly

644
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: and he would never eat anything except white food because

645
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: we kept on giving him the drugs because he needed

646
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: the drugs. Other ways he would die, but he was

647
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of dying because he was really malnourished, and then

648
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: we took him off the drugs and now he likes

649
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: eating everything in the six feet That was the lesson

650
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: I got from it. It was just very like, he's

651
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: on the pills because he needs to be on the

652
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: pills because he can't in anything, but because he's sick,

653
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: but he's sick because he can't eat vegetables because he's

654
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: on the pill. It was just like, there's a circular

655
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: elegic here. Why don't you just stop the totally Yeah,

656
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm like not here to question was parenting, but that

657
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: did seem like a little bit sous a meal. How

658
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: often did you go to eat as as a child.

659
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Did you have a passion for restaurants as a child? Oh,

660
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I loved restaurants. Okay, Well, because my parents are very

661
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: like night. My mom's a nurse and a nutritionist. My

662
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: dad's a dentist. But he also he grew up in

663
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, so he's like as a booth with

664
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: yes yes, yes, yes, yes indeed um. But my mom's

665
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: a little more Midwestern and is like also like a

666
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: nutritionist too, And it's like it was like very like

667
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: no fat sour cream, like none fat, salt vibes, and

668
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: so like going out to eat was like a week

669
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: get to have like hit me with the Alfreda because

670
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: the house was always like low cholesterol Sarah Betty like

671
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: cookies or whatever, we like no fat. Yeah, that as

672
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: many snack wets what I want. I remember my babysit

673
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: are eating an entire package of snack Wells and me

674
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: like being chopped and because and she was like, oh

675
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: they're no fat. It is not She's downing sleeve after

676
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: sleeping snack wells and it was like that was the

677
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: nineties myth, just like well they have no fat in them,

678
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: so I actually can eat actually like nineties sleeves of

679
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: snack well cookies. Yeah, that was I remember thinking like

680
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: that just doesn't add up to me totally. So you

681
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: were going to Chinese, Japanese, Indian where you were like

682
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: sampling the world. Yeah, you know, I feel like as kids,

683
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: like we went out to eat. I feel like we

684
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: went out to eat like once a week, and that

685
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: was like the thing. It was like we would go

686
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: out on Wednesdays, hump Day and a hump day guy. Yeah,

687
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: you know it's like we would you know, I ate

688
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: sushi when I was really young, they were like these things.

689
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: I was like definitely praised for being an adventurous eater.

690
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, our son, he's so advent right,

691
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: Like you won't believe, you know. I feel like when

692
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: when my parents met my wife for the first time,

693
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, he's such he was always such

694
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: an adventurous eater. When he came back from kindergarten with

695
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: his little worksheet and said favorite food sushi, second favorite

696
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: food pizza. Can you believe that? Wow? I mean I'm stunned. Yeah,

697
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: kindergartener liking sushi. You know, a little California ran because

698
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: when I would go to the Japanese restaurant Showgun in Newton, Massachusetts,

699
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: I would always have the chicken COTSU as a child

700
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: because that was kind of the kids one. There's no

701
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: way I would have been allowed to order the chicken cots. Wow,

702
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: Fried Chicken. Oh that was against your nineties. Yeah, no, Fried,

703
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean I wish I had been more adventurous. And

704
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed to say that I was having the chicken

705
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: cots at that stage. No, I mean I was getting

706
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was a first sushi and I was

707
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: getting the tempora okay, oh, because it was a little

708
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: bit closer to what you appreciated. It was like more

709
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: like friedom me Stowe. Well, I'm just saying this one.

710
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: This there was a sushi restaurant, Japanese sushi restaurant called

711
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: Kaya and Cambridge and pur Square shout out and they add.

712
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll get this like fried shrimp

713
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: instead of like sushi because I'm afraid of sushi. Yeah,

714
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: but I think also, you guys are from the Boston area,

715
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: a little more urbane than the suburb of Baltimore that

716
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: I grew up in, And I feel like, yeah, you know,

717
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: they're both provincial backwaters, Darling where culture goes Steve, are

718
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: you literally trying to like lose our base of massholes?

719
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: But maybe where you grew up in Newton was a

720
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: provincial backward But we're full of the cross show, the intellect,

721
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Lebanese food. Okay, I'm gonna wash your mouth out from

722
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: Helen Keller Um speaking Mario. Should we get to the

723
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: dinner at um Ballood where she spies Mario, Eric, Robert,

724
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: and Daniel Blood all talking to each other isn't that

725
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: an emp not? I believe it was it because they

726
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: were they were like two big chefs night out dinners.

727
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: There was one a Ballood sued I think that was

728
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: the first one, and then there leave it was Barbood. No.

729
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: I think Barbalood is the last because they had like

730
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: the final one that was like the end of the era,

731
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: the recessions happening. We're having fo the last time before

732
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: to jail, Like it's like David Chang and everyone's just

733
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: like crammed into bar Balloon and just like like sucking

734
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: palm down and getting truffles rained on their pussy. And

735
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: it's until three in the morning, and she's like, we

736
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: all knew everything's going under. I feel like she knew

737
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: like Mario was so nasty in this way because she

738
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: was like she basically just tells a story about how like,

739
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, someone explains to her that like Mario and

740
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: Ericapera like change, like you know, they're trading soux chefs,

741
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: and they're like that's what they do. They send each other.

742
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's sending someone from Bobo to you know,

743
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: to burn it Dan, and no one is like you know,

744
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: possessive over their young guns. It was like the publisher

745
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: who was like, Wow, this the food world is so

746
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: different from the world. Any other world. Donna, Karen and

747
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: Ralph Lauren would never be in the same room, which

748
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: I also don't believe, but that somehow she just like

749
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: segues and she's like and this was before the meat movement. No,

750
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: it's the most like twenty nineteen at it of just

751
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: being like and you know, back then, I wish we

752
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: had spoken up in our own ways more, but it

753
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: was a different time and we knew that these men

754
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: were sometimes a little handsy, but we didn't think it

755
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: was that bad, and we all were thankful that we

756
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to work with them. The other although

757
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: I feel like she also wasn't working in kitchens as much,

758
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: so it was like, well, she worked in kitchens early on,

759
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: and like the Alice Waters Berkeley, San Francisco, which was

760
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: probably a lot less like so many Hansy Battali's. Yeah,

761
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: she was working in a very sounds like a very

762
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: rarefied like she's like, I was just bringing in herbs

763
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: from my garden to like garnish salads with because our

764
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the communal soup kitchen restaurant that we ran was running

765
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: out of money. Yeah, and it's like she probably wasn't

766
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: exposed to that as well, know, to like yelling the

767
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: toxicity of restaurants. Yeah. The other moment, of course, I

768
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: feel like every single book we read um has to

769
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: about eleven. Oh god, Chili, I have a huge note.

770
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: I was reading and you know, I have the leftover

771
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: turkey in my fridge, and I was like, I need

772
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: to make her night eleven. Did you make it? No?

773
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have the beans, but I did make actually

774
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: a very ruth meal with my leftover turkey. Is I

775
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: did like a Vietnamese rice noodle turkey, um dush last

776
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: night with fresh herbs, carrots, Popeye's turkey and any local firefighters. Yeah.

777
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: So I actually just started dry. I just got in

778
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: my car and I drove to Staten Island and I

779
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: just started knocking on doors, followed the sounds of sirens.

780
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: She was like, so, I love how they escaped to Hudson,

781
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: where you live or whatever, and they go to there.

782
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: But we went to our upstate cottage. Of course. She's like,

783
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: we wondered if the bridges would be open, and thank

784
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: god we could get to our Upstate House and Pecan

785
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: basically the whole the trauma of nine elevens. There's four

786
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: hours of traffic getting out of Manhattan. Yes, yes, yes,

787
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: it's bad traffic. Then she gets to like Spencer Town

788
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then she's like, I need to go

789
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: back and cook. Yes, and then like goes back to

790
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: the world, to the four Times Square and like rallies everybody.

791
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: It was such a like ready main Netflix documentary moment.

792
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: It could you just see it, just like, so I

793
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: did what we do? We wait? Yes, the kitchens were closed.

794
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: I got there, everyone was there. And then she's like

795
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: but then you know, it's like this whole you know,

796
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: She's like, and then we got in my van, and

797
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm like your van, Like what, You're the editor in

798
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: chief of gourmet magazine. You're like at a conde publication

799
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: in the aughts and you go upstate all the time

800
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: and you have one kid and you're driving a van. Well,

801
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: that's the theme of the entire book is like she

802
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: takes the subway, and everyone that the magazine is like,

803
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: you took the subway describes going on the subway like

804
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: it was ten times No, it was I was like,

805
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: is this a lou reed song. I was like, you

806
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: must calm down. She's just like jingle jangle, saxophonist, rattle, rattle,

807
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, you actually need to calm down. She's like,

808
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: it's the most magical thing in the entire world. You're

809
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: next to push artist and she's like, oh a car.

810
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: You're sitting there, not meeting anyone, hearing anyone, and everyone's

811
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: so freaked out that she's on her car. But then

812
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: she's always like, but I did love taking the cars

813
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: and like, but she did drive the like she like

814
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: drives her van with all the food down to like

815
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: she's like, we were stopped at Canal Street and then

816
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: we slept all of her clothes and she still hasn't said,

817
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: like what they're making. And then she's like and we

818
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: open it up and we had chili, and then it

819
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: was like the recipe because there are recipes and I

820
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: was like, you're turkey chili. You're like, this is what

821
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: you you're in. You're in like a kitchen that has

822
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: like all of these ingredients and you're like, I'm going

823
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: to make kay. When you're stacking food for a lot

824
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: of people, it's a good bulk food. I'm familiar with.

825
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm just say she's gonna do mini truffle a little

826
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: more like, oh, she sorry for the satna and firefighters.

827
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Let's give him some beef. Yeah wait, sorry, maybe not turkey,

828
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: Maybe not turkey. This again is so like early two

829
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: thousands movie. In the minute, I cranked up the music

830
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: and has the kitchen filled with the scent of chili

831
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: and chocolate. We began to dance defiant in the face

832
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: of the disaster, and it's like the movie. It's like

833
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: smoke and she's like turning up just like Fleet when

834
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: Mac and they're stirring like beautiful like Mexican cocola long spoons,

835
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: give each other no more maya lemon. And then it's

836
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: like the silent firefighters just being like thanks, tastes like home.

837
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: It does sound like that sounds like every single like

838
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: do Good or chef in the city was like I

839
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: can make food and sounds like run through was actually

840
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: flooded with like gourmet comfort food and they were like,

841
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: we actually don't need any more. Rocco Dispirito is pushing

842
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: Ruth out of the way, just being so like I

843
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: actually made a lasagna and then is like I made puta.

844
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: They're like, we're actually good. What we need is just

845
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: like maybe more ladders or something. Well. It feels also

846
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: like very like COVID, you know, like our like version

847
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: of the thing where it's like everybody like banging, we're

848
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: buying gift cards. Yeah, look at all of the sandwiches

849
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: that we made. Yeah, and we're giving to the doctor. Yes.

850
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: And it's like, are like, we're good, I'm good on

851
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the sour. Oh. Like it kind of reminded me of

852
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street a protest that it was super involved.

853
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I remember going down there when it

854
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: to feed basically to get food because everyone also had

855
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: the same idea, and there was literally like all of

856
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: Zuccotti Park from like start to finish was like a

857
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: full wedding buffet line of just like food from so

858
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: many different restaurants, and you were like, this is maybe

859
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: more than anyone needs, just like there's there's plenty enough

860
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: for like every protester in their entire family to have

861
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: thirds and there's still more just like lemon and regular

862
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: Barsley cold Basta from like whatever, this like Brooklyn restaurant

863
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: that like wants to prove it's like progressive Mona fides.

864
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: Oh damn not fo. I feel like, OK, wait, there's

865
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: so much we need to talk about. This book is insane.

866
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Wait the dress, and I was like, I started to

867
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: google um Franks. I literally it was chilling distress. You

868
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: must have you must have distress. So basically, she goes

869
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: to the store in Paris when they're on this insane

870
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: all expenses paid trip to do a full Paris hire staff,

871
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: the entire staff. Hi, your staff goes to Paris. They

872
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: rent a house with a kitchen for all of the

873
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: test kitchen editors to like why exactly, I don't know,

874
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: to like test French recipes. And then the rest of

875
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: the staff is staying in different hotels every single night,

876
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: retraveling true Kandie Nast style, staying at the city's finest hotels,

877
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: testing the beds, the bathrooms. The service Surtle forces us

878
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: to all be guests from hell, dreaming up wicked tasks

879
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: for the concierges. How quickly can they get a blouse clean,

880
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: arrange a car, send flowers to an alien friend. This

881
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: is what I want our jobs to be. I want

882
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: to be like sent doing wicked tasks insane. And then

883
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: they're renting eight apartments with like massive kitchen separately, and

884
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: then the whole time I'm going to restaurants and she's like,

885
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: I landed. I never have champagne when I first land,

886
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: but of course I was forced to. And then this

887
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: guy brings out the flat champagne that you have. It's

888
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: like a nineteen seventy one champagne that you have to have,

889
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: this caviar and he's like, hold it, hold it in

890
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: your mouth, hold it in your mouth. Wait, wait for it,

891
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: and it's like the bubbles hit it. Minute two. Are

892
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: you talking about the Sevreens? Yeah? Yes, the ghost. The

893
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: ghost a ghost. So she goes to this vintage store

894
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: and she's trying on this dress and it's like a

895
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand francs and it's a nineteen fifty nine

896
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: ive Saint Laurent right E sa la almost designing for

897
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: your yes, but the lady like puts it on her

898
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: and like takes a long time, like lacing, and it's

899
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: like you must. She's like, you must have this dress.

900
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: It's so you, it's so you. And she sees this

901
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: label on the inside of the dress that says Sevareen

902
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: and she's like, what's Sevaen. She's like, maybe it was

903
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: the woman who owned it before you, but now it

904
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: must be yours, and she does not die the dress.

905
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: She goes through ther she gets a car, she gets

906
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: a guard card, busy scouts from the woman to be

907
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: here the dress. She goes to the Russian caviar. Later

908
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: she's downey alone. Then this ghostly man starts talking to

909
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: her nextor who's like eating a huge thing of caviar

910
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: and drinking like a forty year old bottle of champagne

911
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: by himself, a bottle of champagne I was like fished

912
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: out from the wreckage of the Titanic. And then they

913
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: start talking and he's like, you reminded me of my wife.

914
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: What was the thing that he said? It was so good.

915
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: You eat like her, like you, you have like a

916
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: lust for life, and you're like willing to just like

917
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: you eat like when you're alone, like you crave the

918
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: world and your ravenous and and she goes, oh, what

919
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: was your wife's name? And he goes severing, I'm sorry,

920
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: I believe her. I believe her. He said, he said,

921
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: my wife ate caviare as you do slowly, avidly. Yeah,

922
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: you put me in mind of her. Ah oh, and

923
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: then it's like there was the whole thing also where

924
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: the woman tried to talk abound where she was like,

925
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: I got two thousand francs taken off the dress for you,

926
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: and it is now only seventy five thousand francs. And

927
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: so then he tells her that his ex wife was seen.

928
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: At least she goes, she reaches into her purse, rips

929
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: up the business card, the rips it up. She goes,

930
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: the dress had already given me everything I would ever need.

931
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Chill chills, chills right here, I'm going to rip up

932
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: a business card tonight. But the thing that was so

933
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: crazy is then they go back then that was like

934
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: the really the like full circle thing where it's like

935
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: the last issue of or like one of the last

936
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: issues of Gourmet that she's doing. They're like, there's no money,

937
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: we don't have any money. They're no advertisers anymore. And

938
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: she's like, we'll do a Paris issue again, but it's

939
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: just me and the travel guy. Yeah, we're gonna stay

940
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: in a horrible hotels and they like go to one

941
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: nice restaurant and she's sitting across the from the gun.

942
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: The guy, the ghost guy is there again. He's like, okay,

943
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: that but that also trip is so beautiful. I mean,

944
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: that's a lovely narrative device in the book. How she

945
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: has this like Pauper's trip to Paris, yes after the Wicked,

946
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: the Wicked trip, the Popper's trip to Paris that echoes

947
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: her trip to Paris when she was a kid, when

948
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: she was like twenty, and she was like and I

949
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: was just drums from the boulangerie, and well and she

950
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: asked this realization. She goes, I realized that money becomes

951
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: a barrier insulating you from ordinary life because she has

952
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: all these wonderful experiences where people are like showering her

953
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: with like fun food and bringing her into like restaurants

954
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: and bars. And when you're like acting rich, no one

955
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: wants to give you anything. They're just like, oh, she's good,

956
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: she's prissy and stuck up. We're not gonna do with her.

957
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: And then when you have no money, just that baguette

958
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: and she's doors open, doors open, absolute momacup. It was

959
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: like people were just like, you must dine with us,

960
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: and they all had this like they wanted to like

961
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: show off their country to her and be like okay,

962
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the best thing because I can

963
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: tell that your many pin Shane. Yeah, well that was

964
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: also I feel like that felt really like it was

965
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: interesting thinking about that experience she had in Paris and

966
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: restaurants where she's you know, they're kind of like cause

967
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: playing as paupers and getting like fed for free by

968
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: all of these people who are taking sympathy on her.

969
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: When I feel like it's very like now it's like

970
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: who does the restaurant send the fancy stuff too? It's

971
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: like if they send it to Alice in Romans, they

972
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: send it to the people who can afford it already. Yeah,

973
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: whereas they said the people they want to impress. When

974
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: my wife was working in Japanese, she said that that

975
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: was like often a thing where they would be like, no,

976
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: you don't send free stuff to the like fancy food writer.

977
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: You send it to the couple who's clearly they're twenty

978
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: one and they've saved up all year to go on

979
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: this date. And those are the people that you send

980
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: the champagne. That's that is the Danny Meyer vision of

981
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: hospitality that I will say is still alive and well,

982
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: as if discussed in this pot, if you depending on

983
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: the restaurant you go to. Atian Square, like I had

984
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: that wonderful experience on my birthday, but they'd be overhearing

985
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: the overhearing. They overheard me saying to Lily, Ah, it's

986
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: my birthday, and they brought me a free glass of

987
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: wine just because they happened to hear that, Like that

988
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: is what especially, I was dying alone. I'm obviously not

989
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: some d I my last thing. I just wanted to

990
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: remove the segments the very end when Gourmet closes, she's

991
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: at JFK, like flying and she goes to get like

992
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: some rap at like whatever, some restaurant and like the sure,

993
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: it's like have it for free. I loved Gourmet. I'm

994
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: really gonna I'm really gonna miss it. And I feel

995
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: like it was very you like crying over the magazine. Yes, yes, yes,

996
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, I'll give it. I'll give you a free

997
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: Prett sandwich. But I'm just like the way the like

998
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: sheer at Prett is not reading or caring about Gourmet. Well,

999
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: you know what, you don't know. I bet right now

1000
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: there's a cashier at Pratt Okay pouring over you know,

1001
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: eater and they're giving someone a free sandwich, you know

1002
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I did. There was a cashier at the Prett near

1003
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: one World Trade Center who would give me free coffee

1004
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: all the time, and I had to stop going because

1005
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: it was a little because you were a bone app

1006
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: editor or yeah, yeah, yeah it was. They were. It

1007
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: was like a flirty they were. It was like sometimes

1008
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: my coffee would be free, and then it would be like, oh,

1009
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: here's like two cookies for free, and then it would

1010
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: be like, you're a sandwich is free. And when I

1011
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: was like, I can't a man in sexual felt, there

1012
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: was yes, yes, yes, so you're homophobic and I and

1013
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: your first homophobic. Yes, that's not true. That's not true.

1014
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: You're not. Before this week on the vip Lounge, a

1015
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: meal Stoic is coming back in the whisper room with

1016
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: us to talk food restaurants, thanksgiving them proposals. Oh you

1017
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: proposed to Chelsea Market. I know that's that's says sorry. Also,

1018
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: after our whole conversation on the way here, we were like, yeah,

1019
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: you know it's so corny, like okay, okay, okay, okay.

1020
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: In defensive to Patreon, dot com s CBC the Pod

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00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: to subscribe and hear our whole scintillating conversation. You don't

1022
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Speaker 1: want to miss it. M delicious cold segments, solicious cold

1023
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Speaker 1: steamed sitse What does she wear, what does she eat?

1024
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: How does she live? What does she eat? I mean everything, um,

1025
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: dumplings aspect pizza, bread, butter. I could do this all day.

1026
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: She definitely made a big thing of being like, you know,

1027
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: when she's like out at the Hot Pot restaurant in

1028
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: la when she's trying to court Lorio Choa To and

1029
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gold to come work at Gourmet, and she's like,

1030
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: the owners knew Jonathan, and they brought out the big

1031
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: hot pot of like vegetables and organ meats and all

1032
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: the other guests. We're just eating the vegetables, and Lori

1033
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: and I we always had a taste for the intestines

1034
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: and the concealed pigs blood brain. They're doing amazing things

1035
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: with awful She has original like white girl at the

1036
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: Chinese restaurant who's like, I will get the blood soup. Yeah,

1037
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: can I have the authentic first Yeah? Um A story,

1038
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: I just I'm sure we've total it. Told it on

1039
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: the podcast. When we were at in Brooklyn Chinatown and

1040
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: Stephen ordered a cold raw bits blood noodle soup. Yeah.

1041
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: She was like catch on, being like are you sure

1042
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: like you don't want this? And you were like I

1043
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: wanted and it was just like a bowl of blood

1044
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: tude was growth and creepy and we were like, it's

1045
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: a little slimy. Yes, Ruth is you know, of course

1046
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: having a Macca san But she thrives on. I will

1047
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: say she also does like fancy restaurants because like the

1048
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: whole person of the book, she was like, oh, like

1049
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Ericar parents doing amazing things with flog raw right now,

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Speaker 1: it's a cloud and it's like her normal business lunch

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00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: is flag raw and wine. Yes, like so decorative A lot, yeah,

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00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the restaurants that she's talking about. I mean,

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: it just it's interesting because it's all it is. These

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00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: are the restaurants that were cool in like two thousand

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00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: and five, yes, and the very like the restaurants that

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00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight just eradicated. It was like

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: the white table cloth, like very platy, very fancy, very

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00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: like big plate, small meal, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Um how does she live? I mean it's big table

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00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: in the dining room where they got the farm. And

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00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: I do feel like she was the first person to

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00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: have a water filler, that thing that everyone has to

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00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: have in the kitchen. Burkey. I don't know you guys

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00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: calling it a burke. That's what it's called. That's what

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00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: it's called. We're upstair girls. Well, I got called at

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: times from the sculpture I got my burkie. It was

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: I found it free on the street. Hudson. No, no, no,

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00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: we're not talking abot the same thing. I'm talking about

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: that thing that's like above the stove that fills a

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00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: pot with water. Oh like a yes, yes, that's only

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00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: in the water on top of the range. You're talking

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00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: about oversta arm, Yes, a pasta arm. That's like pasta

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00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: arm that past water. I've heard it called a pot

1074
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: filler on like Netflix. I don't know which of these

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00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: sounds worse. Both are bad names. Yes, and I only

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00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: I discovered that from you guys are talking about that

1077
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: dime ceramic water. Yes, that's a tank and it's like

1078
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: such a tank in you you have oka listen. I

1079
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: don't live in New York. The water taste bad where

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00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: I am low medium bed. I feel I feel like

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00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: it's a four poster and it's somewhat high, and it's

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00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: like Amish wood or whatever, and it's like kind of minimal,

1083
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: but it's like still kind of high, and I mean

1084
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: obviously piled books for her and her husband on either side,

1085
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: with sauces everywhere. I like, they're also still that classic

1086
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: Bows five disc changer in the kitchen. Yes. Do you

1087
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: don't think there's a chance that it's bed on the floor. Oh? Yes,

1088
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: I could see, because there's been so like Japanese EAMs

1089
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: about it. I think it could be like that kind

1090
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, there's like a big bed on the floor.

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: There are some like nightstands that are like made for

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00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: a floor bed and are very nice and like designer,

1093
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: but then they're just tons of books stacked up. Ultimately, No,

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00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: you don't think so. I don't think she's getting down

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00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: on the floor. I think her bones are creaking. Well, yeah,

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's the thing. She started being

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00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: the editor in chief fifty she's in her seventies now.

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: It is also in How Does She Live? She also

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01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: had an assistant who she Robin, who she met. She's

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of like at the end, she's like, wait, and

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01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: then I realized I hadn't done anything for myself intent

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: when when Robin we talked about how everyone like the

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01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: where are they now? And she's like, Robin went on

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01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: to become a reservationist at a hot restaurant. Do you

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: know what I realized? I sat in Robin's chair, her

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01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: literal chair. No, yes, Ruth's office became the editor in

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01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: chief of Bonapati's office, and the cubicle where Robin's hat

1108
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: became O Robin. It was literally they just scraped the

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: word gourmet off of all the signs and put Bonapet

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01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: on top of it. Wait in her office with the

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: very colorful scheme that she picked out that everyone was

1112
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: shocked by because oh when she was like I want

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Speaker 1: a table in here, and they're like, you don't want

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: a table? Wait? So was it as wild as she describes?

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: There was a redecorating budget, so I don't I don't

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01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: think I saw. I didn't see the so Adam had

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: redecorated it to be more masculine. Yes, dark leather chairs,

1118
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: no dark leather. But there was like a big, big

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01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: kind of like what do you call that, like like

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01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: one of those big wooden like things. It's yeah, like

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: a credenza with like lots of like very shallow drawers. Okay,

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: you would might put like prints in, but very vintage.

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01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: I know, yes, yes, yes that like that artist who

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: has a loft in Soho that they've had since the

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01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: sixties would have in their loft to be like, this

1126
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: is a drawing I did, yes, in seventy two, but

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: it's empty and I'm getting ready for my moment. What

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01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: does she wear? I mean it's just like so like

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01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: Japanese linen, black smock blazer. I guess, like, do you

1130
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: think she's Eileen Fisher or she way funkier or is

1131
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: she a mix of Eilean Fisher and funky mix? She

1132
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: has like she has the just the classic Eileen Fisher

1133
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: pieces that she knows that work, and then she has

1134
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: the vintage pieces that is she going down what's it

1135
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: called Warren Street and window shopping and getting a lamp

1136
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: and like a random blanket. I know she's all over

1137
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: flea market. I feel she knows warrenst is so overpriced, right, Yeah,

1138
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that she's going to lessons of her

1139
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: second Paris trip. She's not overspending. She's not buying like

1140
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: a six thousand dollars credenza. I think she's like going

1141
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: to a different flea market in Columbia County, right. I

1142
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: think she's like maybe getting a little like chotchkeese, you know, like, Oh,

1143
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: I found this cute. I went to a yard sale

1144
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: and I got this cute little like mini beer Stein. Yeah, Like,

1145
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: isn't that fun? I'll get it for a nick. Who

1146
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: are you in the bus? So you're Robin? Robin? Literally

1147
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: a Robin yep um? I feel like you are am

1148
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: I are you Gina? Oh? A same sales beating where

1149
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: she's she's dressing up like a geisha to like because yeah,

1150
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: where she had a theme and she was like one

1151
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: night she judged motorcycles down Fifth Avenue to like present

1152
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: one hundred Harley's present like sales figures to advertisers. I'm like,

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. She used every

1154
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: expense she could. She spared nothing like I'm coming out

1155
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: and like the pumpky makeup to like tell her advertisers

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: what her circulation figures are. I could see it, um,

1157
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: but now you're so bust, so you are Ruth. You

1158
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: could be Gina, but could you also be Larry? Oh?

1159
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm a little You're like,

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01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited to build this from the ground up. I'm

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01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited to like fire people, but also like get

1162
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: the ball moving and like crack some heads together. Yes,

1163
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: the disciplinarian, you know, I do like to crack the whip,

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: so to speak. I feel like I'm Jonathan Gold. I

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: guess like you could be Jonathan Gold. You could all

1166
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: be Gina Marie the Benson, the black haired Yeah. Wait,

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01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: she was really fair and she was the pr rep

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01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: for CONDI No, no, no no, this is this is the

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01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: test kitchen person who was like had to make the

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: chili sloppy Joe's over and over and over and over.

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: She ended up doing the gallion Cheddar rolls for the

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: sloppy Joes. And it was like Gina Marie, Gina Marie's

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: Scallion Cheddar royal is you because you're just like every

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01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: single night you're like, yeah, I mean my wife made

1175
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: another RIGATONI yeah, I'm like we're trying again to get it.

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01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: And her whole family has like a Sunday lunch and

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01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: she's like there was a thing about Gina Marie is

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: Her entire family sat down to like a twelve person

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01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: Like everyday, I've been hosting like a twelve person family

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01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: lunch for the past seven days. Done, Jinna Marie. I

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Speaker 1: give this book five out of five. Clothes of GARDI

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01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: I give this book five nineteen seventy one bottles of

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: dom Perignon out of five. It's stunning and I highly

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01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: recommend any of her this book. I think you read

1185
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: this and read TEENA Brown's Manyfair Diaries like one after

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: the other, because it's just a fascinating documentation of a

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01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: world that no longer exists. I'm going to give it

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01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: four couture dresses with sabine stitched into the lapel out

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: of five. I feel like she gave a lot of

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: the anecdotes of the boring parts of being a gourmet editor,

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: and not as many of the beerly exciting. It was

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Speaker 1: like a lot of like ad meetings, and it was

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01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: like and the numbers were still going down and less

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01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: like and I like the trips. But you know, as

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01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: she says, I mean she you know, she foretells this

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Speaker 1: in the beginning. She's like, it became all about ad

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01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: meetings and that was her undoing because she also became

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01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: too focused on that kind of youth. Yeah, she became

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Speaker 1: brand Ruth and when she was just like I'm going

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Speaker 1: to a thousand like women on the World conference, says,

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01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: and I'm winning so many random mass awards for like Also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this is over, but like this

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: over over. Um, we have you have the VIP lounge.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna keep talking, Emil, you can't leave,

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Speaker 1: you can't leave. We're locking the doors. Um for the

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Speaker 1: rest of you. Literally best, um, go have a meal,

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Speaker 1: Go have lunch in Manhattan in the middle of in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the day. And then also maybe bring

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Speaker 1: this book for amazing dining alone. Armor. Actually, don't bring

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Speaker 1: this book to lunch. That's a little too band teacher. Yeah,

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: that's a little bring Gina Brown to lunch this at home.

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: Although I will say, remember when I brought setting the

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Speaker 1: table to the deny My restaurant, I also got free wine.

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01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: I think because of that. Oh yeah, I guess basically,

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: just go to a deny My restaurant because and we

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Speaker 1: still have yet to go to his daughter's Gelatta Ria. Anyway, Literally,

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