1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Bodydas, but Joseph's gotten more. There's a term of endearment 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of an older term. Now don't hear a lot, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: But I've always thought that it had kind of a 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: sweetness to it. It's a term that I think my 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: grandmother's generation would use, and this term of endearment generally 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: refers to a female. The term is actually a peach, 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: and it implies that someone is naturally sweet, they're kind, 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: there's someone that you would want to be around. For me, 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: that term means a lot. It means a lot because 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: I've actually gone out with my grandmother when I was little, 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: up around rust and Louisiana and picked these gigantic peaches. 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: My grandmother used to make peach ice cream. My wife 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: loves peaches. But today I'm going to talk about another 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of peach. I'm going to talk about a peach, 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: or at least the image of it, that was tattooed 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: on a woman's body that for years we didn't know 17 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: who she was. And oh, by the way, the same 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: woman I had a child. We didn't know who that 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: child was either, And now we have identities of both 20 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: of them. And guess what, we now have a suspect 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: that is linked to their murders. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan 22 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: and this is body backs. A couple of years back, Dave, 23 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: I was going up to the Hamptons. I guess it's 24 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: the first year that we did Hampton's. Who'd done it? 25 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: You didn't get to go with me the first time 26 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: you went this pastime though, and we I think you 27 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: would agree we had pretty good time, didn't we. It 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: was a blast, lovely people. I thought they were gonna 29 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: hear my accent and kick me out. UH from out 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: there on Long Island say no, you have to leave. 31 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: But they were just some of the sweetest folks and 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: have always been very generous with us. And the first 33 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: time I went up there, I went up with UH 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: with Keimmy and Joe. Jack O Lone met us at 35 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: at the airport a litle Guardians. He is Joe's ah, 36 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: former homicide homicide sergeant and also cold case sergeant with 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: NYPD and just sweet man. And he to tell you 38 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: how what a good guy he is. He actually drove 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: in to La Guardia and picked Keimmy and I up 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: at LaGuardia to make the several hour trip. I didn't 41 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: realize this as far out to the Hampton's while I've 42 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: been up there, and he said, uh, you know in 43 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: his in his voice that's stinkily New York. He was like, hey, Joe, 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: I got a surprise for you guys. I was like, okay, 45 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: are we going to go eat like some clam chowder 46 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: or something? Because we actually did. He said, yeah, after 47 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: the clam chowder, we're gonna go. We're gonna go. I'm 48 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: gonna take you someplace special. Well, guess what, he's the 49 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: one that took you. Yeah, Joe did. And I didn't 50 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: know where I was going. 51 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: Everybody else because I know what you're talking about, Okay, 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: go ahead. 53 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 3: I didn't know he did. 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Joe, and I had no idea. And like, 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: I look back over over my shoulder Kimmy in the 56 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: back seat. I'm thinking, there's he taking. I said, Well, 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: as it turns out, we wind up on this beautiful 58 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: suburban street with these neat, neat yards and we're looking 59 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: at these houses. They're kind of small, and he's like, 60 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: oh yeah, he said these houses in here. He says 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: one point five mili for these houses. And I'm looking 62 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: at these houses. I'm thinking they're really nice, they're really neat, 63 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: but there ain't nothing special about it. You know, in 64 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: Alabama you get a mansion for that. Until we are 65 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: in front of one particular house on Long Island and 66 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: it looked like, oh my lord, it looked like the 67 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: worst shack in the face of the planet, broken down, dirty. 68 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, in my mind's I 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: realized where I was, where I was, and we were 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: parked in front of Rex Huermann's home, and how this 71 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: guy lived in this neighborhood without being physically thrown out 72 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: by all these people who apparently really work hard on 73 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: their houses. Because there was not a blade of grass 74 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: that was higher than anybody else's. It was like very 75 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: house proud. Oh boy, very house proud. 76 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: I did not realize it was Joe that took you there. 77 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and he takes us he actually takes 78 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: us down the coast road, still heading down. 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. 80 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: We went out to where the Gilga four were actually found. 81 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: Took us to go go beach. Because you know, I've 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: only talked about these things on the news. I didn't 83 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: really have a sense about it. And man, I tell 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: you what, when I got there, I realized that whoever 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: was doing these these horrible acts had to have very 86 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: specific knowledge about the train, about traffic movements, because they say, literally, 87 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: one of the hardest places to get around in the 88 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: US is down that two lane road headed out to 89 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: the Hamptons. During the summertime. It is blocked and locked 90 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: down very tight past you'd have to know where you 91 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: can turn around and all this stuff. So automatically now 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: I'm thinking somebody has to be a native that's going 93 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: out here. You know, there's some kind of connectivity. But 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, Dave, the case that we're going to talk 95 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: about today is kind of an out here because for 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: years and years, this case that we had that we 97 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: are going to talk about has always been linked to 98 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: the GILG four or whoever the perpetrator was, to all 99 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: these other remains, And as it turns out, brother Dave 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: doesn't seem. 101 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Like this is the case not even closed. And this 102 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: is one of the problems with not one of the 103 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: problems with this case. But you know, first things first, 104 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: there we're talking about Peaches, who was identified as one 105 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: of the Gilgo I need to say outliers, but her 106 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: name was already in there, as you know, a Doe, 107 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: a Jane Doe. We don't know who she is, Yeah, 108 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: I thank you, yeah yeah. And there was a toddler 109 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: and it didn't fit the mix. It did not that 110 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: the toddler did not fit into the idea of who 111 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: these other women were that were identified as the gil 112 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: Go for and beyond that they're. 113 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: Just not there. 114 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: But geographically speaking, we're going to include them because of this. Now, 115 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: there are not just four or five or six Gilgo victims. 116 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: When you actually look in the general vicinity, I think 117 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: there's eleven. There are that many that could be attributed 118 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: to one killer. But it also could be that there's 119 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: been more than one person using this area as a 120 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: dumping ground and this case might just prove part of that. 121 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: Just to give you an idea. Peaches has been identified 122 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: as Tanya Jackson and baby Doe has been identified as 123 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: Tatiana Marie Dykes. Tatiana was only two years old, Tanya 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: twenty six and from Alabama. Tanya grew up in Alabama 125 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: and ended up in the military. 126 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: She at the time of all of this. 127 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: Now backing up, you know, her body was discovered in 128 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, Tanya Jackson's body and it wasn't all 129 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: in one piece, Joe. And so I'm hoping that I'm 130 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: hoping today you can enlighten us as to how is 131 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: it from an investigation standpoint where you have somebody like 132 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: like Tanya and Tatiana, their bodies are found in this area, 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: they're deceased, they're tough to identify, but because we don't 134 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: have a name or a background or anything else, they 135 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: just kind of get lumped together with the others of 136 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: the Gilgos story, you know. And as I say that, 137 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: at one point, one thing out, you know, the one 138 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: of the girls who was her name is escape to 139 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: me right now. Her attorney has always been one of 140 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: the guys out in the forefront as one of the 141 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: Gilgo victims. And I don't think she is. I think 142 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: she was, you know, she was out on a call. 143 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: She was working in the sex trade, and she was 144 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: out there and we've got phone calls with her and 145 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: she's leaving and running up and down the street, and 146 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: her body is found. 147 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: But it's nothing like the others. 148 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: And anyway, I think that's just a really really sad 149 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 2: death that happened. I don't think she's part of the 150 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: Gilgo murder spree here with humor mean. 151 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: No, And that particular case, actually Joe took us to 152 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: that location as well. Yeah, where that whole progression took place. 153 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: And it's literally right by the beach. Kind of fascinating location. 154 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: The beach is immediately, you know, to your right, and 155 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: then you've got this I don't know, they'll call it 156 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: a tidle basin. I look at it, and I would 157 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: use the term probably a slew. It's got a lot 158 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: of marsh grass in there. There's all these bushes, it's 159 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: really thick. It's an area where this victim, that victim 160 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: that you're referring to, was actually found and her remains 161 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: were skeletal. Okay, so there's really never been a cause 162 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: of death that they've arrived at, you know, with her, 163 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: we just got a deceased female skeleton. Well that's kind 164 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: of obvious, right, deceased female skeleton. We have skeletonized remains 165 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: of a lady that was down there, and also her clothes, 166 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: some of her clothes they believe were there. 167 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: Shannon Gilbert, that's the name I was trying to think 168 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: of as Shannon Gilbert. I don't mean any disrespect, no, 169 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: of course, hey man, and you need, you need a 170 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: playbill to keep up with all of these because there's 171 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: so many. 172 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: And that's that goes to the confusion, right. 173 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: I think without Shanning Gilbert's family, I really think that 174 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: without Shannon Gilbert's family that the gig story might have 175 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: gone away. It was her family that kept bringing it 176 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: back up. They kept going because they had the nine 177 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: one one. There was so much they had and they 178 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: were just and they believed she was part of that. 179 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: And I don't believe she was based on investigation. But 180 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: without her, I don't think you have human in jail. 181 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: Well. The other thing that has kept I think that 182 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: this case kind of are has kept the investigators and 183 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: the public and everybody else associated with it just wants 184 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: to get answers a lot of it. That has kept 185 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: things kind of handcuffed and fragmented. There's a lot of 186 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: corruption up there, Dave, there were yeah, oh my lord, 187 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: you know some of the stories that we heard up 188 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: in the Hamptons. You know, because I had no I 189 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: had not taken a look at the depth and breadth. 190 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: You know, I cover cases from well you and I 191 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: cover cases from all over America, all over the world. Okay, 192 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: and when we got up into kind of the granular detail. 193 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: And I've been on these task force before, all right, 194 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to cereal serial crimes, and particularly back 195 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: in my day, many times the left hand doesn't know 196 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: what the right hand's doing. I think probably one of 197 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: the best portrayals of this in media is if you 198 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: go and you watch the movie Zodiac, where you've got 199 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: multiple police departments and this is back in the seventies, 200 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: where they're working cases that might have some similarities, and 201 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: I still don't I still don't buy into that every 202 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: one of those homicides is completely connected. I'm chasing rabbits here, 203 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: but I'm just trying to make the point that with 204 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: a task force, particularly if you add it's multi jurisdictional, 205 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: you've got one group of people that are let's just 206 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: say there are morals are dubious at best, that that 207 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: that throws such a wrench into an investigation, a series 208 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: of investigations that are so very complex day because if 209 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: you just look at the remains, you've got remains that 210 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: are in various states of decay. You've got remains that 211 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: have not just they're not just you're not just dealing 212 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: with anti mortem trauma. You're talking about post mortem trauma 213 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: because you've got some dismemberment going on, so you've got 214 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: all of these layers of complicated and you know, and 215 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: then you throw it into this really wet water environment, right, 216 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, so how much it's not like you've got 217 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: like a it's not like John Wayne Gacy where you've 218 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: got all of the bodies buried beneath the house, right, 219 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: and you can go there and there's like that one 220 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: concentration and you begin to work that. I'm not saying 221 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: that was easy for those guys back in the seventies. 222 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: How I think you get to just yeah, or my 223 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: drift as to where I'm going here. 224 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: And that was I'm glad you did, because with what 225 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: we're dealing with today, with Peaches and with Tanya and Tatiana, 226 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: a mother and daughter, a twenty six year old mom, 227 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: a military veteran and her two year old toddler, they 228 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: were lumped together, unidentified, but still lumped as possibly part 229 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: of this. And that's why I think of Shannon Gilbert 230 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: because I think without the investigation, without her family, none 231 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: of the other stuff would have come to the forefront, 232 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: because there wouldn't have been any pressure but because of 233 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: Shannon Gilbert's family and the breaking of this case, it 234 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: allows for the justification. Now, just spend the money to 235 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: identify these other remains and clear them, either get them 236 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,359 Speaker 2: as part of this or out of it. And thankfully 237 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: I looked over this case. Thankfully, Joe, that the the 238 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: technology and the people that wheeled it. It's amazing, I mean, 239 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: flat out amazing how they were able to identify Tanya 240 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: Jackson and Tatiana and by the way, identify not through 241 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: them directly, indirectly. There was actually an ad in a 242 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: paper in Mobile, Alabama, Joe when they were breaking it down, 243 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: and I'm not kidding you when I tell you that 244 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: they came back with a name, but it was somebody 245 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: who had died before I was born. 246 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 247 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: Think about that for a minute. 248 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how and that's where this science goes. That 249 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: they're able to get this piece of genetic you know, 250 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: this DNA, and they're able to determine that this is 251 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: related to this person that died in nineteen sixty three 252 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: and they found it on a body in nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, 253 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: and that immediately I'm thinking, now I know why I 254 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: didn't spend more time in math and science, because this 255 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: blows my mind. I can't figure it out. I can't 256 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: even I can't digest it without you know. 257 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and it does become it it enters onto 258 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: the exponential plane here of thinking, you know, because it 259 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: is quite complex. However, I've got to tell you something. 260 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Complexity in the world that we're living in now is 261 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: not quite as daunting as it might have been in 262 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: the past, particularly when it goes to our friends at 263 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: authoring laboratories many years ago. Dave, I gotta tell you 264 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: the story because I've told other people. I just I 265 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: have to put it on this public forum right now 266 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: to give you an idea about how tattoos help, or 267 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: how they used to help. Even More, it seems like, 268 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, everyone has a tattoo. Now they're not as 269 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: sexy as they used to be. Necessarily, they're not unique, 270 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: you know. But I had a case, Dave, you'll appreciate this. 271 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: I had a case of a fellow who was a 272 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: Native American and he had come to New Orleans with 273 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to mention the motorcycle club, but 274 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: it is one that is quite notorious. Had come to 275 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: New Orleans and he was in the back of a 276 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: pickup truck and he had been dropping acid and they 277 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: were traveling down this thoroughfare and in the midst of 278 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: he's standing up in the back of the people witness this. 279 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: He's standing up in the back of the pickup truck. 280 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: And do you remember, like those nineteen seventies pickup trucks 281 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: that had the four wheel drives that had those gigantic 282 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: roll bars on the back, you know, in the bed 283 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: with the big fog lights. That truck had one. This 284 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: rocket scientist decides to pitch himself over the side at 285 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: fifty five miles per hour. Okay, well he doesn't. He 286 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: doesn't pop up like a you know, some kind of 287 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: stunt roll that you would have seen on the television 288 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: show Man X or something. 289 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: You know. 290 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: He yeah, boy, that's a reference from the past, right Hey, 291 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: it does mounts Man. Yeah, Mike connors Man. Well, he's dead. 292 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: So we bring him in to do the autopsy. And 293 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: he is dressed. And I'm not talking about a Weekend 294 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: Warrior biker here. This guy is. This guy is serious. 295 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: You know, you can tell. He's got dirty jeans on. 296 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: He's got the engineer boots on that you see. You know, 297 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: the old engineer boots and black T shirts Harley T shirt. 298 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: What else right? And Dave, I took off his boots 299 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: in the morgue as I'm undressing his body, take your 300 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: socks off, and I noticed something on the dorsum of 301 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: his right foot that will stay with me forever and ever. 302 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: It was a tattoo. And on the the tattoo itself 303 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: was shaped like a toe tag, a full sized totag. 304 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: And he even had a string. It had a hole, 305 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: a hole that was part of the tattoo, and it 306 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: involved a string string went down tied around his big 307 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: toe with a bow. Somebody had done a lot. And 308 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: what a painful place to get a tattoo right on 309 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: top of your foot. And in the in the lines 310 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: on the on the top of the you know, on 311 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: the on the faux toe tag tattooed on his foot. 312 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: It had his full name, his date of birth, and 313 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: in big letters below it it said d O A. 314 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: That's one of the ways we got that body identified. 315 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: All right, My gosh, I want a tattoo. I might 316 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: get that that's brilliant. 317 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: It is kind of brilliant. But yeah, I mean, I've 318 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: seen it all with tattoos. But you know, there was 319 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: a guy I used to work with, a forensic pathologist 320 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: who at the time he was regarded and I know 321 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: people don't think this is a thing, but he was 322 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: regarded as in the post mortem world, in the forensic 323 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: pathology world, as one of the leading experts of tattoos 324 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: in our world. And the reason that's important is because 325 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: of identification. People don't understand that in the old days, 326 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: if you were going to be a tattoo artist, and 327 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: this is long before there were tattoo shops on every corner, 328 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, you had to sit at the feet of 329 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: a master, right and they had, like they have their 330 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: own genealogies, Like I trained under this person and this 331 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: person and this person and the guy the pathologist that 332 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm referring to. It had actually gone to this guy 333 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: that was considered a master that worked up in Baltimore, 334 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: and he had a gigantic disarticulated skeleton that was tattooed 335 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: down one side of his leg from like his ribcage 336 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: all the way down to his ankle. And this guy 337 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: had to work on it forever and ever. Wow, but 338 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: this guy knew his way around tattoos. He could look 339 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: at a tattoo and say, okay, this comes from this 340 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: particular artist. This is a point of origin. And before 341 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: we use things like DNA, we try to use anything 342 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: we could to get bodies identified. But Dave, when we 343 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: think about this case, yeah. 344 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have used anything. It was still the 345 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: cross section of using DNA. I mean, I'm sure that 346 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: you were identifying certain things with DNA, but we're only 347 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: what two and a half years after OJ and that's 348 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: when most of us learned our basic science on DNA. Yes, 349 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: people of our generation anyway, outside of you, you know, 350 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: normal people. But anyway, he give me far too much. 351 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: Greatit front, I said. June twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven, 352 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: a man and his daughter out for a stroll in 353 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: Hempstead Lake State Park in Lakeview, New York, discover the remains. 354 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: They don't discover an entire body. We're talking about a head, 355 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: both arms, both legs below the knee, all gone, severed, gone. 356 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: The torso is found in a rubber made container, along 357 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: with a red towel and a floral pillow case. It's 358 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: on the west side of Lake Drive. I'm going to 359 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: assume since that identifier was included in everything. I saw 360 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: that for those of you in that area of Lakeview, 361 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: New York, that means something. I know that oftentimes a 362 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: west side of this or that means something. 363 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: So there you go. 364 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: But they couldn't identify what they had, and so as 365 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: they're investigating, they find this very unique tattoo. It's of 366 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: a peach. And it's not just any peach, it's not 367 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: just something stamped. It's an actual artist that has done 368 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: some seriously good work. And in trying to identify the person, 369 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: the woman who they found parts of they run an ad. 370 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: Detectives have to run an ad in a national tattoo magazine. 371 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: They take a picture of the about and the way 372 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: it was explained to me, it was about two inch 373 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: square two inches two inches, that's it. And they take 374 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: a picture of the tattoo. It's a peach with a 375 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 2: bite taken out of it, some juice drops, and they 376 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: post this in this tattoo magazine nationwide, and sure enough, 377 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: a tattoo artist in Connecticut by the name of Steve 378 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: Cullen breaks the case because not only does he say 379 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 2: that's my work, he remembers the person, he remembers who 380 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: they were with. He remembers what they were talking about 381 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: and what he was told, and it was all of 382 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: that information. Joseph's got Morgan that the woman is in 383 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: Connecticut getting this tattoos. She's a young black woman. She's 384 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: on the outs with her significant other. They've had an argument. 385 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: So she's not in New York where she normally works 386 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: and lives. She's in Connecticut with family. I mean, that's 387 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: a lot of information from a tattoo guy. 388 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's and listen, that was not unusual. 389 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: You could go like both of the offices that I 390 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: worked in, we had a big book of unidentified flyers 391 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: that would be processed and you would see like certain 392 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: police departments would send these things out, you know, and 393 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: you would get them periodically, get them over. I think 394 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: they called it, what was it, hang on It was 395 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: a fact a telefax or whatever it was where you 396 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: got these clearer images back then. And they would have 397 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: and I know people have seen these. They would have 398 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: images of things like identifying marks. You would see scars, 399 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: pictures of scars, say, you'd see tattoos. Even I've seen 400 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: dental demonstrations before, like teeth that have certain caps or 401 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: crowns that are unique posted on there, and it's like 402 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: it's almost like a what's it called, you know, be 403 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: on the lookout kind of a BOLO for this individual 404 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: if they come through your office. And I think that 405 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: out of all the years that that I worked, I 406 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: think that maybe we found two of those flyers that 407 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: turned back, you know, to one to a particular case 408 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: that we were working. And it's not that it's not 409 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: that they don't work, it's just that they were kind 410 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: of taking a shotgun approach and you know, pushing these 411 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: things out. But you know, Dave, with that information, that 412 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: is monumental because you can take whatever kind of biological 413 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: data that you have remaining and you can begin to 414 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: source it. Right. You know, we we think about, well, 415 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: we want to try to retain this so that we 416 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: can go back maybe in the future if technology provides 417 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: a way where we can actually begin to understand who 418 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: this person might be genetically. Wow, And that's kind of 419 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: difficult because you know, beforehand, you know, before we had 420 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, before we had a database with sex offenders 421 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing, which is very specific. You know, 422 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well they're not on the list, you know, 423 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: let's dismiss this. But now the world, the world that 424 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: we live in now is this huge matrix. You know, 425 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: we've gone from zero to one thousand now miles per 426 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: hour relative to what you can do with the slightest 427 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: bit of biological data. And then you couple that, you know, 428 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: a few years later after these remains are found in 429 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: this plastic container, which, by the way, the state park 430 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: is unlike the other Gilgo Beach cases. Saying that the beach. 431 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying it's a long ways from the beach. 432 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: I remember what I said earlier about geographic familiarity. This 433 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: is a place that slightly is still on Long Island, 434 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: is slightly Inland, Okay, And it is a state park. 435 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: And there was a pond there, Okay, within the boundaries 436 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: of the state park. And that's where this thing was found, 437 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: this tub containing her remains and this pillow case and 438 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: what was it was pillow case and it. 439 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: Was well it said there was a red towel, blanket, 440 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: and then there was the floral pillow case. I always 441 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: found that fascinating that. Okay, if you're a criminal, why 442 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: would you leave something that is so specific? You know, 443 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just kind of curious a floral pillow case. 444 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what that means. 445 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: But I most of the women I've ever met or 446 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: had a conversation with in my life that were born women, 447 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: they would know it. They would recognize them. Oh yeah, 448 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: you get that at you know whatever store. I mean, 449 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: they know that stuff. 450 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: Well, you look at just the floor pattern on that 451 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: pillow case, and if it's got a tag inside of it, 452 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: that's something that can in fact be tracked down. And 453 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there that work 454 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: in fabrics and textiles in forensics. They that's you know, 455 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: that's their residential you know, they make their money doing 456 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: those sorts of things. FBI has got an incredible database 457 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: for that sort of thing. Yeah, it's it's mind blowing 458 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: when you think about it, and you think about those 459 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: tags that are specific identifiers, and it seems like an 460 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: odd thing to leave behind because when you think pillow case. Now, 461 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: there have been times in my life where I have 462 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: had a mess at the house. I'm thinking dogs right 463 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: now or children throwing up, and I'm going to grab 464 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: the first thing that I can put my hands on. 465 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: If you got a linen closet where the towels are 466 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: all dirty. Oh, here's a pillow case. I grab it 467 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: and I clean up with that. I think the thing 468 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: here is to try to understand perhaps what was the 469 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: utility of the pillow case. If it's floral in pattern, 470 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that would be something that would 471 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: be used in a hotel or a motel. You know, 472 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: you would think they'd either be white or beige. They're 473 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: not going to have a pattern to them. And then 474 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: you go to this other item that's contained in there, 475 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: and what's contained on within the fabric of these things 476 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: as well? Is there not just potentially the victims DNA? 477 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: Is there some kind of other DNA that's there that 478 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: belongs to someone else? You know, Because look, she's been 479 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: down for a while, Dave, and she's inside the torso 480 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: is inside of this container, you're going to have a 481 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: body that is greatly degraded. And one of the things 482 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: that you and I talk about many times is not 483 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: only do you have blood that results as a result 484 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: of either kind of seepage or maybe even trauma, but 485 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: you also get decompositional fluid as well. And it's kind 486 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: of complex. There's not a lot that you can derive 487 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: from it. Many times, so I know the inquiry minds 488 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: want to know. I'd want to know if there were 489 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: any kind of stained patterns, perhaps on the pillar case 490 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: in particular, it's harder to pick that up on a towel. 491 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: But let's just say, for instance, if somebody had been shot, 492 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: for instance, or maybe the pill case was used to 493 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: facilitate a suffocation you know, who knows, or maybe to 494 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: kind of blind this person as they were being kidnapped 495 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: as well. But why would the pill case be separated 496 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: from the head, Because it's weird. We only have a 497 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: torso we do not have a head. We don't have 498 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: any of the appendages. I think below the knee, right 499 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: miss at this point. 500 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, below the knee, you're missing, and you're missing the arms. Head. 501 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: And here's the other part of this. Okay. That discovery 502 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: is in June of ninety seven, and it stops there 503 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: until April eleventh of twenty eleven. That's when police discovered dismembered, 504 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: skeletal human remains inside a plastic bag near Jones Beach 505 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: State Park. The victim was dubbed Jane Doe number three. 506 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: You mentioned the numbers a little bit ago because they 507 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: had so many things going on in this area. It's 508 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: just what a job. In December twenty sixteen, Peaches and 509 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: Jane Doe number three were positively identified through DNA analysis 510 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: as being the same person. Now they didn't identify the person, 511 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: they merely had Okay, we know that Peaches found in 512 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: ninety seven. This is the rest, This is more of her. 513 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: Which again, now I there are certain aspects to investigations 514 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: that go beyond the normal reach. And I think about 515 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: this and I'm thinking there are people who are laying 516 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: awake at night to this day because of what they've 517 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: had to learn. And tying those two together, separated by 518 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: fourteen years, and then add in the fact that now 519 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: we also have DNA analysis that led to the identification 520 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: of Peaches as the mother of baby Dough. She was 521 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: found wearing gold jewelry similar to that of her daughter. 522 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: You've got a body with no head, no arms, no 523 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 2: legs from the knees down, but you've got jewelry that 524 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: ties Peaches to baby Dough found fourteen years later. 525 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: Yikes, what a tie back. And look to you know, 526 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: to jump ahead slightly, we have these remains that are 527 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: found and here's where the rub is. I think, what 528 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: are the odds, Dave, what are the odds that you're 529 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: going to find disarticulated remains and we're talking these extremities, 530 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: these missing extremities, and a baby that are geographically adjacent 531 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: to some of these cases that are actually tied back 532 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: to Huremann allegedly. You know, what are the odds? You know, 533 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: people think that, you know, Long Island is like it's 534 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: an island. It's no, it's not. It's a it's kind 535 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: of a vast area. You know, when you get out there. 536 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: The idea that you would have remains that are connected 537 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: obviously to the torso found in the tupperware Inland, you 538 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: would find these remains immediately adjacent to the remains that 539 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: have been tied back to the Gilgo homicides is absolutely mondoid, 540 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, Dave, Again, we're back on this topic of dismemberment, 541 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: which I don't think that we'll ever get away from. 542 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: But there are are multiple types of dismemberment and I 543 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: think that with Peaches, her case could either fall into 544 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: one or two categories. There is a category that is 545 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: actually referred to as defensive dismemberment, and what that means 546 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: is that you have a human remain that is unmanageable. Okay, 547 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: so you're going to take take the human remains apart, 548 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: and most of the time it's characterized by taking the 549 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: head off, the arms, and the legs, and then you 550 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: package separately, okay, because it makes the body manageable. Then 551 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: there is kind of a and that's called defensive dismemberment, 552 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: and there's a second one that arises from a type 553 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: of sexual gratification and it's referred to as offensive dismemberment. 554 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Now there's like, I don't know, there's about six of 555 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: the things that are out there. 556 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: Wow. 557 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: But with those remains, the remains are kind of sexualized, 558 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: and you know, I think back to to the case again, 559 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, I know I talked about it a lot, 560 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: but the mother up in the mother up in Seattle 561 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: that was dismembered by the tender date and she was 562 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: deposited in multiple trash trash receptacles. Thinking about that, and 563 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: I still to this day believed that was a sexualized dismemberment, 564 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: you know, that took those in that case. 565 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: I think of the Black Dahlia when you think about 566 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: that type of dismemberment where she was killed and her 567 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: body was positioned in such a way to cause the 568 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: most shock, which did you know. 569 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: What that's referred to as that's called a communication dismemberment. 570 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: And let me give you an example of that. That's 571 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: uh and I think that there's probably some sexualization with that, 572 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: but that's if you think about if you've ever seen 573 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: these images, and I hope that you haven't exposed yourself 574 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: to it. I've had to look at them. But these 575 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: images quite famously down in Mexico where they will almost 576 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: trust up a human being, tie them off of a 577 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: bridge and you might have so all of them hanging 578 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: in one place and the heads are gone. That's sending 579 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: a message. That's called communication dismemberment. Okay, so you've got 580 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: these these different little nuanced things. I hate using the term, 581 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: but these kind of and I don't know, you know, 582 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: you look at you look at the case with Peaches. 583 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: Her body is the body that was uh defiled if 584 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: you will, post mortem, all right, because you're talking about 585 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: the abuse of a corpse at this point in time. 586 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: But yet this little angel seemingly she's intact and she 587 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: has found adjacent Oh god, this is so horrible. As 588 00:35:53,480 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: it turns out, she's found adjacent to her mother's appendages. Okay, 589 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: along with these other bodies. And again that's you know, 590 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: it's just one of these weird little twists that comes 591 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: comes along every now and then, I think. 592 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: October eighth, twenty twenty two, the Mobile, Alabama Police Department 593 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 2: announced on its official Facebook page that the FBI was 594 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: seeking relatives and friends of Elijah Liije Howell or Howard, 595 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 2: who was alive between nineteen twenty seven and nineteen sixty three. 596 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: All Right, a guy that lived in Pritchard, Alabama with 597 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 2: his wife Carrie, but died in Mobile, Alabama in nineteen 598 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: sixty three while living with Mss Lily May Wiggins Packer. 599 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 2: The FBI has been able to break this guy's entire 600 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: life down. But again, they put this out in twenty 601 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: twenty two. Joe, at that point, he'd already been dead 602 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: fifty years, yeah, I mean sixty years. 603 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 604 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 2: So that's that, I guess is what is the most 605 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: shocking to me. That they're looking for relatives of a 606 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: man that died before I was born. That's the part 607 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: that this investigation goes that deep. 608 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Let me put it to you this way. Do 609 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: you think they were on the scent at that point 610 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: in time. 611 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, this is not a shot in the dark. 612 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 613 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 2: It's like they knew, Okay, we've got this. We've just 614 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 2: got to tie the rest of it together. 615 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: You know. 616 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: It's you know what what the Coburger thing where they 617 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: knew that the DNA that they found on that the 618 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 2: knife sheath button snap, yeah, yeah, the buttons that this 619 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 2: that that didn't belong to the sun. You know, this 620 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 2: is they didn't tie it directly to Coburger. They tried 621 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 2: to do his dad and then they had to go 622 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 2: and get Coburger's own stuff. So it's that's the part 623 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: that gets me, you know, so befuddled sometimes. And that's 624 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: where this one comes in again. You're talking about we 625 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: want the relatives of somebody that was dead in nineteen 626 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 2: sixty three to help us solve a crime that didn't 627 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: happen until nineteen ninety seven, and we didn't even have 628 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 2: an idea about it until twenty twenty two. Again, so 629 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: that's the part that gives me from the science, I 630 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 2: guess yeah, it. 631 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: Does, and we have to think about you know, as 632 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: it turns out, when the identifications are done, both on 633 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: Tanya and Tatiana you know, once they got the genetics 634 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: back and you know, Dave, that they were able to 635 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: determine that Tatiana had actually been born March seventeenth, nineteen 636 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: ninety five, in Texas. Well, guess what. Guess what mama 637 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: was doing in nineteen ninety five. That was her last 638 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: year of enlistment in the Army and she was stationed 639 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: in Texas at that particular time. She had done hitches 640 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: I think in Georgia and South Carolina during her time 641 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: period there, so you get that tied back. I found 642 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: an article on and I recommend anybody, particularly veterans out there, 643 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: if you don't read military dot Com, you're doing yourself 644 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: a disservice. You need to read it. They did a 645 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: great write up on this case because you know, this victim, 646 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: she is an Army veteran, and you know, they kind 647 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: of did a deep dive there, So a big shout 648 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: out to them. But you know, interestingly enough, Tatiana was 649 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: born in Texas, and Dave, the most revelatory moment in 650 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: this whole case actually leads us back to Texas and 651 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: back to our friends at othrom in the Woodlands in Texas, 652 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: just north of Houston and they were able to put 653 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: names not just with one, but with two. 654 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: Now Dave, it's again, Joe. I'm dumbfounded by what they're 655 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: capable of doing now because now because of again now 656 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 2: going back to gilgam because the investigation that was going 657 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 2: on up there, trying to eliminate or put in the 658 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 2: you know, to we're bringing this. We've got a mom 659 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: and daughter team here. We've got to identify them. Do 660 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: they belong in this group or not? 661 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 3: They do not. 662 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: And after they get identifications done, they're able to track 663 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 2: this down to a man, Andrew Dikes, and he's in Florida. 664 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: Andrew Dikes is actually the biological father of Tatiana Marie Dykes, 665 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 2: the two year old little girl found in twenty eleven, 666 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 2: the daughter of Tanya Jackson. 667 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: You think about this and Diykes, I think that when 668 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: Tanya went missing, I think that Dikes was roughly in 669 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: his thirties. Well, I'm happy to say at this point 670 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: in Tom Dykes is now in custody. That's one of 671 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: the reasons, you know, we wanted to present this case today. 672 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: He's now in custody. He's waiting to be extradited back 673 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: up to New York because they've tied this in and 674 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: you really said it. I mean, you hit it right 675 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: on the head. This is going to be a domestic 676 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: related event. There's no doubt in my former military mind 677 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: about this. I think that that is that is going 678 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: to be the case. And we still don't have all 679 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: of the piece as yet, we don't know everything. We 680 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: still don't have a cause of death at this point, Tom, 681 00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know that we necessarily ever will because 682 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: once the defense attorneys get involved in this, if this 683 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: guy pleads not guilty, I think that that could be 684 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: a gigantic mystery. You know that leads who knows where. 685 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, one of the biggest 686 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: mysteries of all has been solved because now, just like 687 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: I always say, if you want answers, find out who 688 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: the dead are, because that bit of data will lead 689 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: you back to where you need to be. And if 690 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: you're really interested, I mean truly, truly interested. You know 691 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: a lot of people say they want to help. I 692 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: urge each and every person within the sound of my 693 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,399 Speaker 1: voice to reach out to our friends at AUTHORM. And 694 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: this is how you do it. You go to DNA 695 00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: solves dot com and they have an entire list of 696 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: cases that they are currently working. They could be cases 697 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: that you feel some kind of affinity for. Maybe geographically 698 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: you're located near where one of these remains were found. 699 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: You never know. One of the people that is unidentified 700 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: could possibly be somebody that you know, or somebody that 701 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: some of the relatives might live in proximity to you. 702 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: If you want to help out with this, all you 703 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: got to do is check out DNA Solves, because if 704 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: you do that, they offer you an opportunity give as 705 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: much as you can. They're not asking for huge chunks 706 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: of money. You'd be great if you had some, but 707 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: just a few bucks to push toward a specific case, 708 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: and you can do that. I think. In the words 709 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: of retired homicide detective Lieutenant Vernon Gebreth, he has an 710 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: opening in his book called Practical Homicide Investigations, and it's 711 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,399 Speaker 1: this little stamp that's inside of it. And anybody that's 712 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: ever been through any training and death investigation has read 713 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: this book. It's very simple. It says we do God's 714 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: work and that's the case here. You want to help out, 715 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: you want to help out, think about it. I'm Joseph 716 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, and this is bodybags,