1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: partner at All Things Packers, Wes Hodko. It's coming to 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at Lambeofield to preview Sundays 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: matchup at Lambeoufield. It will be between the Packers and 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: the Bengals. Is a three to twenty five pm Central 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Time kickoff. The Bengals come in to Green Bay at 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: two and three and west. On our last show, we 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: talked about all these different possibilities at quarterback for the 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. One possibility we didn't consider, however, was that 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: the Bengals would trade with their in state in Division 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: rival Cleveland Browns for Joe Flacco. Just so people understand. So, 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: we recorded our last show on Tuesday morning, and a 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: couple of hours later, as our wonderful producer Hannah was 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: putting the finishing touches on it getting the episode posted, 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: was when the news broke that the Cincinnati Bengals had 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: traded for Joe Flacco, whom the Packers of course faced 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: as the quarterback of the Browns just a few weeks ago. 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Then on Wednesday, Zach Taylor, the head coach of the Bengals, 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: said they are starting Joe Flacco against the Packers short week. 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, cramp preparation, all that, but the Packers are 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: going to see the same quarterback for a different team 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: within the span of a month. As I like to say, 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: just when you think you've seen it all in this league, 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: they play another game. 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: It's crazy, Mike. The fact that nothing like this has 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: happened in the last thirty years is just mind boggling. 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: So in terms of a player being traded within the 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: division in the division season, yeah, it's not happened since 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: at least nineteen fifty five. The NFL in nineteen ninety five. 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: The NFL has unbelievable resources. Not even they could find 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: anything in the last thirty years, but then even had 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: to hedge it because it's just so rare that you 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: see anything like this happen. And I believe it was 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: a statistic from ESPN's stats and info that said, this 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: is the third time a team has even traded a 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: quarterback within a division, a starting quarterback within a division 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: in the twenty first century, the last twenty five years, 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: and I think it was Donovan McNabb was the one. 40 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: If you go back to ninety nine, it was Rodney 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: Pete going from Philly to Washington. And then there was 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: one other example that's escaping my mind or oh, Drew Bloodsoe, 43 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: the Brady and Bledsoe trade back in two thousand and one, 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: when they set the table for the Tom Brady era. 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 2: This stuff doesn't happen, is the point that I'm trying 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: to raise here. Now. I think Matt Lafleur had a 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: really good headspace on this when he was talking about 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: this with the media because a lot of people were 49 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: asking and it's obviously a big topic, and it was 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: in our Insider Inbox column and everything else. How does 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: this change things? In a lot of ways, it really doesn't, 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: because from the Packers' perspective, it's still Zach Taylor's offense. 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: There's still the same weapons that they had before. It's 54 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: a different conductor behind all of this. And realistically, as 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: Evan Williams in a humble way but also factual way said, 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: Packers had some success against Flacco in that game against Cleveland. 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: They didn't lose that game against Cleveland because of Joe Flacco. 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: So you reset the board, but at the end of 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: the day, it's still a very similar game plan. 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for those who are interested in the history lesson. So, 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: the last time the Packers faced the same quarterback for 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: two different teams in the same season was twenty eleven 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: when Kyle Orton early in the year was with the 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos and came into lambeau Field. The Packers won 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: that game, and then late in the season he was 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs, and then he was actually 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback of that Kansas City team that ruined Green 68 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Bay's undefeated record late in twenty eleven. And what we've heard, 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: it's been reported in several areas, the only quarterback anybody 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: could find in league history basically, or at least I 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: should say, in I guess you'd say the somewhat modern 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: era of the NFL to beat the same team twice 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: in the same season as a quarterback of two different 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: teams was Jack Kemp. Back in the old AFL in 75 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, he beat the New York Titans as 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: a as the quarterback of both the Chargers and the 77 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: Bills nineteen sixty two AFL action. So Jack Kemp, who 78 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: then went on to become a member of cabinet in 79 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: Washington and member of Congress and all that kind of stuff. 80 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Led quite a life anyway. 81 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: A lot of superlatives for that man. 82 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: Yes, But getting back to the here and now with 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, Joe Flacco will be the quarterback. As 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: you said, the weapons the Bengals have don't change. And 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: the two that of course jump off the page is 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: that one two punch out wide receiver Jamar Chase and 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: t Higgins. They have combined for five touchdown catches. Despite 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Cincinnati struggles on offense with Jake Browning, the Bengals have 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: eight touchdown passes as an offense and those two guys 90 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: have five of them. And they're a handful for any 91 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: secondary to deal with. And certainly Zach Taylor is counting 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: on Joe Flacco to number one protect the football better 93 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: than Jake Browning did, but then number two come up 94 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: with ways to get his weapons the football more often 95 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: to see if they can make some plays and jump 96 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: start this Cincinnati team. 97 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was saying in our Insider Inbox column, second 98 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: time I've dropped that in six minutes, that this seems 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: to me like this move to a choir Flacco is 100 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: a pretty good indication of they just want to get 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: the ball in Higgins in Chase's hands, yep, and just 102 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: see what happens. 103 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Because that's exactly how I feel about it too. 104 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Because, like we were talking about Evan Williams, and 105 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Evan Williams was fantastic. David McKinney talked on this as well. 106 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: But you know, Evan Williams was saying, he's like, you know, 107 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: Browning was averaging two picks a game during his tenure there. 108 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: It's not like Flacco has been protecting the ball great. 109 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: He has six picks. Those are two of the top 110 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: three most intercepted quarterbacks through the first month of the season. 111 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: But I think what Cincinnati's looking for is someone that 112 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: is going to take chances with the ball, but also 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: give receivers a little bit better of a chance. 114 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 115 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you look at the clips from Browning, 116 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: particularly in that Detroit game, it wasn't great. There were 117 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: some of those five hundred scramble balls that were thrown 118 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: up there, not even fifty to fifty, more like twenty 119 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: five to seventy five. It seemed like tilting towards the 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: favor of the defense. So with Flacco coming in, it 121 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: really seems to me like, Okay, can we get Chase going, 122 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: can we get Higgins going? And then maybe that's what 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: breathed some life into the restless thing, Mike, because right 124 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: now it ain't looking good for the Cincinnati Bengals. You 125 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: are talking presently about the last ranked total offense in 126 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: the National Football League two hundred twenty eight yards per game, 127 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 2: the thirty second ranked also last ranked rushing offense in 128 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: the game. Michael, the Cincinnti Bengals right now are averaging 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: fifty seven yards per game rushing the ball. Pittsburgh is 130 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: second to last with eighty yards rushing per game. Chase 131 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: brown has had no room with which to work. Ryan 132 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: has had a little bit more success, but they don't 133 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: have a carry over thirteen yards this season, and it 134 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: was Jake Browning was the one that did it. This 135 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: really comes back to Jamar Chase still finding ways to 136 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 2: make an impact with the ball. And as Evan Williams said, 137 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: his a yack monster. He gets the pass, but it's 138 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: what he does with the ball after the catch, his 139 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: ability to run up field. It almost is like he 140 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: turns into a running back in some regards. T Higgins 141 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: has had kind of a hard time getting going here 142 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: since the extension, but also still a guy you have 143 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: to be wary of. If the Cincinnati Bengals are going 144 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: to accomplish anything during this interim basis here or however 145 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: long this goes without Joe Burrow, if they're going to 146 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: keep this ship afloat, it has to be through those 147 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: two running backs. 148 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've just been severer sorry, Yeah, they've just been lacking. 149 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: They've been lacking the big plays, and not just on 150 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: the ground. Chase Brown only averaging two point five yards 151 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: per carry on the season. It has been a really 152 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: tough slog. But even you look at Chase and Higgins, 153 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: that wide receiver, Chase is averaging eleven point seven yards 154 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: per catch, Higgins twelve point two. That is not what 155 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: they are used to. And that eleven point seven for 156 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: Chase includes a sixty four yard touchdown last week against 157 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: the Lions when he got behind the defense in the 158 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: fourth quarter and was able to make one of those 159 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: big plays. 160 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: So the game was completely out of hand too at 161 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: that point. Yeah, Like it's like it's just i mean, 162 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: not called a garbage time touchdown, but like, yeah, it 163 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: was a lapse for Detroit and which didn't really truly matter. 164 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: But even then, he has a sixty four yard touchdown. 165 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Yet for the season, he's averaging only eleven yards per catch, 166 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: which is not which is not typical Jamar Chase numbers. 167 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: So they've been lacking the explosive plays. They've been lacking 168 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the you know, the the typical threat to the defense 169 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: that those guys have been because Joe Burrow is not 170 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback. On the defensive side of the ball, it's 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: been a struggling unit there as well. The last three games, 172 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals have surrendered forty eight, twenty eight, and 173 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: thirty seven points. The star on that defensive side is 174 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: edge rusher Trey Hendrickson. He's got four sacks on the season. 175 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: He is still a handful for anybody to deal with, 176 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: can make a play at any time. But the Bengals. 177 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: The Bengals failed to make the playoffs last year because 178 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: of their defense, and this is not a defense that 179 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: has improved at all. They Hemden had all off season 180 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: about whether to pay Trey Hendrickson when he's holding out 181 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: and he's their best defensive player on a bad defense, 182 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: and they still weren't sure if they wanted to pay 183 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: the guy. So their defense, their defense isn't any better. 184 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: So and we'll get to our we'll get to our 185 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: keys to victory in a minute here. But my whole 186 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: thing all week long that I've I've said it in 187 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: multiple forms here, multiple platforms, WES, is that this this 188 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: game isn't even about the Cincinnati Bengals. This game is 189 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: all about the Green Bay Packers. This is about This 190 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: is about the Packers coming back home, playing their game, 191 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: doing their thing. I don't care if it's Joe Flacco 192 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: at quarterback. Yes, you you have to concern yourself with 193 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and T Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. Those are 194 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: the stars of the Cincinnati Bengals, so you can't just 195 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: ignore them. But this is about the Packers getting back 196 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: to who the Packers are, who they believe they can be. 197 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: The Packers team that we saw for the most part 198 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: in that five day span to open the regular season 199 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: against two really good football teams, when they posted wins 200 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: over the Lions and the Commanders. If the Packers get 201 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: back to that squad, they shouldn't have any trouble with 202 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. That's the bottom line. 203 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: I agree, Mike, that is the number one thing that 204 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: I look at with this game. It's for the Packers. 205 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: Everything is set up, it's on the table for you here. 206 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Particularly when you look at the fact that Zach Tom 207 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: and Aaron Banks have both been back at practice this 208 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: week on a limited basis. It you know, signs are 209 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: looking promising, particularly with Banks. As far as what Sunday 210 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: looks like right now, you have a lot of positive vibes. 211 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: I think around this team understanding, okay, we let these 212 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: two opportunities go. But I don't think the confidence has 213 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: diminished at all. I think the Packers very much feel 214 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: like they could be four and zero right now. And 215 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: and honestly, the way that the Cowboys played against the 216 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: Jets probably reinforces that. You know, they probably played a 217 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: pretty good team and didn't do enough to solve Dak Prescott. 218 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: But it's not like they went in there and just completely, 219 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: you know, made an embarrassment of themselves. But when I 220 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: was looking at the Cincinnati defense, in addition to the 221 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: fact that I think they're thirtieth right now in total 222 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: defense this season, Trey Hendrickson four sacks, eight quarterback hits. 223 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: Do you know who's second right now for the Cincinni 224 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: Bengals and quarterback hits? No, TJ Slayton, And I love TJ. 225 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: He's the man. 226 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: He was. 227 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: He was a good run stuffer in Green Bay. They 228 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 2: did not sign TJ. Slayton in the offseason pressuring. 229 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: Not to rush the passer. No, that was not his 230 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: was not his forte in Green Bay and was not 231 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: what he got that contract for. 232 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. When you're in the next thing, I'm 233 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: gonna look and see how many quarterback hits TJ had 234 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: in his time in Green Bay. Think he had a 235 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 2: sack or two, but he. 236 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: Was hardly on the field on third down. That his defense. 237 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: But but you know, the Packers used him for a 238 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: specific role. 239 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: So it is good to see TJ doing that. But 240 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: if you're the Cincinny, that's not a positive sign, mostly 241 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: a reflection your defense. And Shamar Stewart's been hurt. So 242 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: then in addition to the fact that Stuart had all 243 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: these you're talking about the contract negotiations with Trey Hendrickson, 244 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart's contract talks as a first round pick, and 245 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: how tedious that got for Cincinnati. Well, then he ends 246 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: up having the ankle injury. Has barely played this year, 247 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: as two tackles on the season, so he did return 248 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: to practice on Wednesday. We'll see what his availability looks 249 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: like for Sunday. I liked Stewart a lot coming out 250 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: in the draft, but. 251 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: Sure a lot of people did. 252 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: The point is, though, Mike, again, this is not Cleveland, 253 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: and and one of the points that I raised in 254 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: some of our commentary and our columns this week is 255 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: that yes they have a game wrecker and Trey Hendrickson, 256 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: they cannot allow him to wreck the game. Tucker Craft said, 257 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: I mean this is a guy that is slippery with 258 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: his hands, He is smooth. I mean, this is a 259 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: guy that can get after the quarterback if you give 260 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 2: him that opportunity. The Packers have to neutralize him. But 261 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: the pieces around him. Unlike the matchup with Cleveland where 262 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: you had Miles Garrett, it is not nearly as deep 263 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: and is not as nearly as dangerous. 264 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's dive right into our keys victory for 265 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: this game, and I'll start because to me, to me, 266 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: this is very simple, one key thing on each side 267 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: of the ball, on offense, this game is about finishing 268 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: drives because the Packers are going to move the football 269 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: against the Cincinnati defense. They are going to move it, 270 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: but you can't be settling for field goals. Finished drives, 271 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: get the touchdowns that you should get against this defense 272 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball. And I know, 273 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: and maybe you're going to talk about it. You have 274 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: a story up on our website about it in terms 275 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: of the turnovers and stuff with the defense, and I 276 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: understand the defense wants to get going in that area. 277 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: To me, that's not necessarily a key in this particular game. 278 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: To me, this game defensively is about tackling because I 279 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: think Joe Flacco is going to try to just three 280 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: step drop and get the ball to t Higgins and 281 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase on short routes, on just quick stop routes, 282 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: or they might throw bubble screens, whatever the case might be. 283 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is going to get the ball of his 284 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: hands in this game, get it to his weapons, and 285 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: the Packers have to be on their p's and q's 286 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: with the tackling, which I thought for the most part 287 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: in the first three games of the season, there were 288 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: a couple of plays against Cleveland, where the Packers missed 289 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: some tackles that hurt them. The tackling was definitely not 290 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: up to the standard against Dallas, and Matt Lafleurd even 291 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: talked about it that there were plays where you're looking like, okay, 292 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: you're in position to make the tackle and make it 293 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: second and eight, but all of a sudden, it's second 294 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: and three because that tackle was missed. Instead of being 295 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: in third and six, it was third and one because 296 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: a tackle was missed. And this happens. This happens to 297 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: even the best defenses all the time. There will be lapses. 298 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: They'll be a game, there will be a game where 299 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: the tackling just isn't sound, the tackling isn't on point. 300 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: The Packers have to get back to defensively being the 301 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: tackling team that they were in the three weeks of 302 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: the season in this game against the Bengals, and I 303 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: think they'll have and maintain the upper hand against these guys. 304 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: Excellent point. And much like you took away my thunder 305 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: because I was gonna mention, hey, thirteen giveaways or excuse me, 306 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: eleven giveaways so far this season for the Cincinnati Bengals, 307 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: Packers looking to take the ball away more than two times, 308 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: and they have the first two games. Sure, I'm now 309 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: going to take away your thunder. Okay, because there's a 310 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: lot of conversation inside the halls of the Packers didital department. 311 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: But what Mike's one Last Look column might be this week? Okay? Now, 312 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to give away all the secrets, but 313 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna allude to a couple of things here. 314 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: And obviously I say that with my tongue firmly placed 315 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: in my cheek. But the Packers are right now the 316 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: number one ranked third down offense in the National Football League. 317 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: Do you know, Michael maybe already looked into it where 318 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: the Cincanti Bengals rank and third down defense? 319 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: I did, actually did not look down. They're twenty ninth, 320 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: twenty nine. 321 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: The Packers conversion rate is almost higher on third downs 322 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: as opposed to where the Bengals are trying to stop 323 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: teams on third downs. This is something you very rarely see. 324 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: Packers are over fifty percent right now, fifty three percent 325 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: on the season. So being able to sustain drives and 326 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: the football are the two biggest keys to me to that. 327 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: However you do it you do it, there's gonna be 328 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: things on people talking about, Hey, you gotta get the 329 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: run game going. Hey, you got to be able to 330 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: incorporate Matthew Golden. You have to find ways to put 331 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: points on the board inside the Reds. So there's gonna 332 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: be all these things you talk about. But let's be 333 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: honest here, Mike, how many times did you and I 334 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: cover high school football games back in the day where 335 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: you would have one team go in where you felt 336 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: like they had a significant advantage over the other team, 337 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: and it really just came down to, Hey, don't have 338 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: a fumble to get return for ninety five yards. The 339 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, don't throw an interception back inside your own 340 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: forty yard line at a pivotal point in the game. 341 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: If green Bay controls the controllables, if they play clean football, 342 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: they win this football game. Yep, it is the more 343 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: talented team. They are the more successful team right now. 344 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: And honestly, as difficult as it was going for the 345 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: Packers into the by how bad they felt about that 346 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: loss in Cleveland and the tie in Dallas, it pales 347 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: into comparison of what the Cincinnati Bengals have been going 348 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: through basically since Joe Burrow went down. These last three 349 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: weeks have been an absolute slog for them. And the 350 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: other point I will make, Michael, have you looked at 351 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals record. 352 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: Two and three? 353 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: Two and three, okay, thank you? Uh? Two of those 354 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: losses Minnesota Vikings forty eight to ten, the Detroit Lines 355 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 2: thirty seven to twenty four, both NFC North opponents. Yea, 356 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: The Packers ended up being the one that let one 357 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: get away against the Browns, where the rest of the 358 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: division took care of it. One big reason the Packers 359 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: made the playoffs last year and were as successful as 360 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: they were is because they took care of business in 361 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: the non conference slate. This is a home game. You 362 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: want to defend your turf, but it's also going to 363 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 2: be very important to hold serve against the division in 364 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: these matchups against the corresponding division from the other conference 365 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: in the crossover games. If you don't do that, that's 366 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: an easy way to fall behind. 367 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. Well, I want to take 368 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: a glance at everything else around the league in Week six, 369 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: but we'll pay some bills first and hear a word 370 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: from our sponsors. 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That's 388 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: a three and two team against a four and one 389 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: Jaguars team coming off of a huge Monday night home 390 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: win against the Kansas City Chiefs. San Francisco is at 391 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. That's a pair of four and one squads 392 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: going head to head there, and then the one that 393 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: Packers fans will have their eye on, the Detroit Lions 394 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: are at the Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City is two 395 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: and three. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are up against 396 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: it here at home against one of the best teams 397 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: in the league in Detroit coming into Arrowhead Stadium. All 398 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: three of those games very interesting and we'll have, you know, 399 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: implications in terms of the standings and the things Packers 400 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: fans will be watching moving forward. Your thoughts on any 401 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: of those. 402 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 2: Kansas City has spring the lumber in this one, truly. 403 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: I mean when you look at Detroit and what the 404 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: streak they've been on here the last month. Now. The 405 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: other thing about the Chiefs, man, they're always going to 406 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: be in primetime. They're always gonna have everybody watching them. 407 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: It might have been easier to watch the Chiefs this 408 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 2: season just on television that it has been trying to 409 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: watch the Green Bay Packers covering these teams live. It 410 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: just seems like wherever I turn the Chiefs are on 411 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: television and they've had some really difficult matchups, and this 412 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: is going to be another one here When you look 413 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: at Detroit and where they're going in Kansas City is 414 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: sort of at this crossroads and it can't all be 415 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. In a lot of ways, it kind of 416 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: the Chiefs this season to me feel a lot like 417 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: where the Packers are at in like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, 418 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: where they very clearly have the best quarterback in the game. 419 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this is the Max Verstappen of the National 420 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: Football League in Patrick Mahomes, But where's the rest of 421 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: the roster around him? Now? They're hoping they're going to 422 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 2: get some reserves throughout the course of the season. They 423 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: hope they're gonna have some of these guys coming back 424 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: and incorporating themselves. But there is not that inepenetrability anymore 425 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 2: that there once was around Kansas City. So seeing how 426 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: they match up to Detroit and that deluge of offense 427 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: that they're going to be thrown up against, it is 428 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. But for me, honestly, the game I'm 429 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: most excited to see is actually Monday Night Football. And 430 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: maybe you're gonna get there eventually too. 431 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: But I was, yeah, you're talking. You're talking about the 432 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: Bears returning to the scene of the Hail Mary crime 433 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: right out and out in Washington, d C. Against the Commanders. 434 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: That's been the storyline out of Chicago all week, that 435 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: that was the game that completely turned the Bears season 436 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. And then, you know whatever, two 437 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: months later, Matt Eberflus gets fired the whole the whole thing, 438 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: losing on that Hail Mary to Jade and Daniels. Now 439 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: the Bears are going back into that stadium in primetime 440 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: now as part of that Monday night double header. 441 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: And and Daniels an Williams will forever be tied to 442 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: each other the same way that Alex Smith and Aaron 443 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: Rodgers were, the same way that I think Carson Wentz 444 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: and Jared Goff. I mean, this list goes on and on. 445 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: Of those one two picks, their destinies are always going 446 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: to somewhat feel a line. So for them to see 447 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: each other two times in their first two seasons I 448 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: think is really telling as well. And Daniels appears to 449 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: be fine here came through last week, I think all right. 450 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: For initially that hiccup that I think came out of 451 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: the Green Bay game. Was it the knee or whatnot? 452 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a knee. 453 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: He got the thing back on. Washington is such a 454 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: different team when he's out there. Oh yeah, and you 455 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: just see how everything is really built around him. So 456 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: scine how they hold up against CHICAGO'SNN be really fascinating 457 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: to watching. Meanwhile, Chicago, who started the season about as 458 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: badly as you could start it in the Ben Johnson era. 459 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: It just shows you how quickly tides can change, how 460 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: different momentum can feel when you go into the buy 461 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: at two and two, but at the same time you 462 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 2: had two wins that made you feel really good about yourself. 463 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's an it's an interesting slate of games. 464 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, so, barring an overtime tie, 465 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: which as we saw between the Packers and the Cowboys, 466 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: San Francisco and Tampa Bay, one of those teams is 467 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: going to be five and one, you got a prediction 468 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: on which one gets to five and one Between those two. 469 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: I think I think Tampa Bay's scrappy. 470 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: Man, it's hard to bet against Baker and it just 471 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: it really is. 472 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: And if you're you're telling me Tampa's at home San 473 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: Francisco was making the cross country flight. I just, dude, 474 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: I said it. I think on the show two weeks ago, 475 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: with what has happened there, I really did not think 476 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: the transition from Bruce arians was going to go very 477 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 2: well for Tampa. I thought that to me, in my mind, 478 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be the end of 479 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: the Peyton Manning von Miller era on Denver. And then 480 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: you know, Gary Kubiak's gone everything, and everything's just sort 481 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: of slips away, and they've refortified themselves, and they did 482 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: it in a very unconventional way. Yes, they've drafted well, 483 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: but they also signed players and acquired players that in 484 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: ways that typically you don't see in the NFL anymore, 485 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: particularly again with the Baker Mayfield situation. A guy that 486 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: was signing and playing with the La Rams at the 487 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: end of the year, trying to get his career back 488 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: on track, and now I mean, he's the talk of 489 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 2: the town, the toast of the town, and I love 490 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw Mayfield's comments a week 491 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: but oh my goodness, I loved it when they were 492 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: asking him about Seattle and him John with the fan 493 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: as he was coming on the field, and he mentioned how, 494 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: you know, early in his career, people would have probably 495 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 2: painted that as him being immature or brady or something 496 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: like that. Now he's a dog. Now it's you know, 497 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: he's got moxie. 498 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the competitor. 499 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: It all just depends on the way media frames things. 500 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: But if you just focus on what you're doing, and 501 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: he said that's what he didn't do earlier in his career, 502 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: it's allowed him to be a Pro Bowl quarterback in 503 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: this league. And as I said on Tuesday, show some 504 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: of that. I think that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are 505 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: going to be able to hitch their wagons too for 506 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: a very long time. It's it's an exciting slide of 507 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: games for sure, and seeing exactly if the felk or 508 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: excuse me, the Buccaneers can really pull away within that division. 509 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 2: This is a great opportunity to do. 510 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: So that's the thing is I'm wondering if anybody in 511 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: the NFC South is really going to challenge Tampa Bay. 512 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: And as much as we've seen we've seen Tampa Bay's 513 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: defense struggle, but with the combination of kind of Baker 514 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: Mayfield's last at heroics and the fact that as much 515 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: as that defense has struggled at times, it's a defense 516 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: that seems to make a play at a big in 517 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: a big moment, which goes a long way in this league. 518 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I've said that. I've said this for a long time. 519 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: If you're not going to be the two thousand Baltimore 520 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: Ravens defense of the nineteen eighty five Chicago Bears defense, 521 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: be a defense that can make a big play in 522 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: a big moment. And that kind of seems like what 523 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: Todd Bowles is building defensively in Tampa, and it could 524 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: it could continue to carry them. So I think that's 525 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: a squad that definitely Bears watch. 526 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 2: And they take on his identity too, don't they. Like 527 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: That's what was fun about the Aarons and Bulls relationship 528 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: is that his Bulls is just such a He's such 529 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: a dichotomy from Aarons and how he you know, he's 530 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 2: more introverted, he always more cerebral. He's got sort of 531 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: the stoic almost like Bill Belichick, kind of like demeanor 532 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: when he speaks to the media. But he's so consistent. Yeah, 533 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: and you can see again why arians was so high 534 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: on him as not only coordinator, but as a head 535 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: coach and a guy that should get a second chance 536 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: at that opportunity of the National Football League, and he's 537 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: really ran with it. Meanwhile, I mean San Francisco, I mean, 538 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: if we'll see what the week shuffles out at. I 539 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: don't think brock Perty's practicing yet. I know Mac Jones 540 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 2: is banged up now too. 541 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if the mini bye did them some 542 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: help out. You know, after playing on Thursday last week, 543 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: they get a little bit of extra extra time. But yeah, 544 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: San Francisco is still kind of seems like a banged 545 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: up team. But but on a short week last Thursday, 546 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: they still were able to chalk up a big division 547 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: win against the Los Angeles Rams at SOFI. So you 548 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: can't You definitely can't count Kyle Shanahan out either, no 549 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: matter what the matchup. 550 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: Five teams the NFC right now with one loss. Yeah, 551 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: I mean, as much as it stinks for Green Bay 552 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: to only have two wins, but it's still five teams 553 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: with one loss. At what Mike Spotford used to refer 554 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 2: to as the quarterpole. 555 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: The QUI used to I don't get to say that anymore, 556 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: But what would it be. 557 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: Because four out of seventeen or. 558 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: Five four in a quarter would be literally four in 559 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: a quarter pole. Yeah, so who is that? 560 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: From now on does that work right? 561 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: I think with that we need to call it a rap. 562 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: On this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 563 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team and of Sunday's 564 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: game against the Bengals at Lambeufield. We will have it 565 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: all for you on Packers dot com for West, I'm Mike. 566 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will see you 567 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: next time.