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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season to fifty nine,

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Speaker 1: episode four of Jede e Les Like Guys Day production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we

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Speaker 1: take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is,

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Speaker 1: of course, Thursday, October twentieth twenty two. My name's Jack O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: a K Potatoes O'Brian, a K bad On pot to

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Speaker 1: a tooes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined as

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Speaker 1: always by my co host, Mr Miles grag. Well, before

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Speaker 1: I get to my a K my good man, I

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Speaker 1: might let the people know what today is. It's okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a busy day. It's National

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Speaker 1: Youth Confidence Day, National Chicken o' waffles Day, National gets

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Speaker 1: Smart about Credit Day. But that's probably for the banks

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Speaker 1: to let you know. But anyways, shout out to chicken

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Speaker 1: waffles and youth confidence, youth confidence. Oh also Brandied Fruit Day.

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Speaker 1: That's fun. Brandied fruit. Is that even a thing that's

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Speaker 1: like from the Victorian? Never its day? Yeah, we're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in that. But yes, my name

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Speaker 1: is Miles Gray. Hey K A K crotch laser tag

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Speaker 1: because look I was out here with cake crotch and

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Speaker 1: met Harrison Ford and it was a whole thing. So

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Speaker 1: thank you for creating an a k to commemorate that.

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Speaker 1: He gave you the literal sunglass kilt of eighties movies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like this nerd, He's like, is this that laser zone place?

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Speaker 1: But it was probably a practical sunglass hilt in the

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Speaker 1: sense that he was coming in from outside from the

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Speaker 1: street into a dark room where some kid was furiously

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Speaker 1: doing something to his crotch area, and so he probably

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Speaker 1: was like I was getting icing off from a Costco

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Speaker 1: sheet cake. Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: our third seat by the best selling author of books,

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Speaker 1: John Dies at the End, So he punches the Future

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Speaker 1: and the Dick and the newly released fourth book in

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Speaker 1: the John Does at the End franchise if this book

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Speaker 1: exists here in the wrong universe. He's my former co

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Speaker 1: worker at crack dot com, co creator of the Crack Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Jason par Jane, So once

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Speaker 1: again we did not have a horrible tragedy breakout right

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Speaker 1: before I was about to come on, which is something

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Speaker 1: that I never want to happen on a show where

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be promoting my book, because it should

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Speaker 1: be on like the day after a clear national tragedy

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Speaker 1: or some sort of a terrible event that we've been

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Speaker 1: forced to spend the entire episode talking about. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then at the very end of it having to say, well,

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Speaker 1: and also if in this trying time, if you want

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Speaker 1: to be distracted with uh, you know, a piece of

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Speaker 1: of like humorous cosmic horror, Yeah, I have written a

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Speaker 1: novel that will but again, you don't please, don't feel

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Speaker 1: pressured like on this is the day of morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like the worst today to

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Speaker 1: have come on to promote a book that is a

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Speaker 1: like humor cosmic cor novel like we we do. We

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Speaker 1: recorded through January six, Like January six was happening on

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Speaker 1: our TVs as we were recording. That was that would

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Speaker 1: have been pretty distracting. I guess, yeah, that was a

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Speaker 1: little bit tough. Sure, at least there there's the there

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Speaker 1: was the element of the ridiculous, like the guy in

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Speaker 1: like the Buffalo horns and stuff like that, Like, it

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Speaker 1: was obviously horrible, but also there were still plenty that

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Speaker 1: people were making fun of, so it would have to

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Speaker 1: be some truly like another. Yeah, I don't know, a

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Speaker 1: mass shooting involving a school or something, so but it

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Speaker 1: does not look like now, not to Jinks. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't come out until tomorrow, so this episode might

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Speaker 1: just be completely unusable. Jesus. Well, look, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Lakers and the Sixers were robbly. That was that was

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Speaker 1: a tragedy. But we'll get that. It is the day

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Speaker 1: after the NBA season, so for at least half of

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Speaker 1: the NBA fans, you know. But anyways, it's good that

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Speaker 1: you at least evoked, brought into existence via just you know, speculation,

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Speaker 1: a horrible tragedy. So that's that's at least good. How

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Speaker 1: are you doing, Jason, it's been a while. Uh, it's fine. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'd become a TikTok influencer, I've noticed, because yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I had to be on there because the audiences elsewhere

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Speaker 1: we're just dying off and um, it's it's so hard

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Speaker 1: to watch that happened to Facebook two to see like

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Speaker 1: I could spend the entire show talking about that because

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Speaker 1: it is TikTok is unique, and that there's no like,

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Speaker 1: you can't hire somebody to run a TikTok for you

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Speaker 1: unless you do like a face off situation, because it's

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Speaker 1: got to be your face, your voice. It's not you're

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Speaker 1: not posting just you know, like some comedians got a Twitter.

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Speaker 1: All it is some some bot posting the tour dates

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. TikTok. They don't show it to anybody

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Speaker 1: unless it's your face, your voice. It is the entire

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Speaker 1: point of the app. It's not for uploading funny clips,

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Speaker 1: it's not for anything else. That is your face and

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Speaker 1: your voice. So suddenly, after spending much of my career

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Speaker 1: like not even wanting people to see me, and then

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Speaker 1: not wanting people to hear me, and then like joining

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Speaker 1: your podcast, like well that's fine, it's just my voice. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's like, no, you are judged based on how you

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Speaker 1: look that day. Your your physical attractiveness will will to

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Speaker 1: some degree, play into how your future books sell. It's

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Speaker 1: a great world that personal charismas you didn't have any

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Speaker 1: fun with it, like try like a mask or like

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Speaker 1: a mustache. So at least your physically president, it is

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Speaker 1: your voice, but you've obscured your sort of appearance. If

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Speaker 1: that is a thing people can do, I guess that

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Speaker 1: is I could have done that. I wonder yeats like

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Speaker 1: Jason with the Jason mask or something, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, like you know this Jason's are actually really insightful. Um,

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Speaker 1: And then that way I could I could in fact,

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Speaker 1: just hire some intern to put on the ruskin post

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Speaker 1: for me. There you go, and then you got an

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Speaker 1: audio tracking you. All right, Jason, We're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today. The Democrats have been told not

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Speaker 1: to talk about the economy. The Republicans are talking about

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Speaker 1: the economy. We'll we'll talk about how that is looking

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Speaker 1: for the mid terms. Anyways, all of that plenty more.

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Speaker 1: But first, Jason, we like to ask eric guests, what

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history on a name change?

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Speaker 1: Because I did I this is. You probably think I

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Speaker 1: only did your podcast in the core promoting the book

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Speaker 1: this week, I actually did several. Yeah, and the last

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Speaker 1: one which I'm not going to say the name of

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Speaker 1: it because it's another news show, and I know you

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Speaker 1: have a better rivalry with all other yea like daily

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Speaker 1: or weekly headline shows. Yeah, we don't even acknowledge their existence.

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Speaker 1: They're not t getting as other news shows. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: cut this out, actually, yeah, justin just now, we all know,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to say when you say what show was.

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Speaker 1: But on the show, like Cody and his co host

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Speaker 1: were they they kept referring to Kanya as YEA, and

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Speaker 1: I thought they were being informal, like you know, like

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Speaker 1: preferring to kill Neil's just shack. I thought they were

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Speaker 1: just doing it, and then finally realized, oh no, he

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Speaker 1: legally had his name changed. And I probably came off

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Speaker 1: like a dick because I called him Kanye during the

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Speaker 1: whole thing, But no, it's legally yeah, and and so,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, It's kind of like when like

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Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg sting changed the name of Facebook to Meta,

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Speaker 1: like not everybody's respecting it. It's like, okay, fine, you're meta,

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Speaker 1: but like you're still Kanye like cool. Yeah, But to

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Speaker 1: some of them, I was, it's it's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to like, like you're saying to be like, well, he

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Speaker 1: did change his name to yeah, like puff Daddy did

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Speaker 1: this a ton of times. I kept calling him puff Daddy,

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Speaker 1: it is just confusing. It's a it's hard for me

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Speaker 1: just stick with Kanye. I'm not trying to boast about

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Speaker 1: my ignorance here. I don't know Puff Daddy's current correct

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Speaker 1: That was his first one that wasn't no. The first

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Speaker 1: because I think then he was like from P Diddy

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Speaker 1: because first he was Sean Puffy Combs, then he was

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Speaker 1: and then he became P Diddy. Then his soul come

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Speaker 1: NEPTUNESH said the D, the I, the D, the D

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Speaker 1: And now I think all his handles are at diddy now.

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Speaker 1: But you're Sean Puffy Combs that actually spells did he? Did?

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Speaker 1: and he's like, what if I NA forget it? But fine? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The name change? Do we think this? As we were

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Speaker 1: mentioning that Facebook tried to name change to meta, do

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Speaker 1: we think they were inspired by Metal World Peace, which

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Speaker 1: was one of the more successful name changes, I feel

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Speaker 1: like one that everybody was on board with. Do we

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Speaker 1: think get there like that? That's so what Mark? I

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Speaker 1: want people to know that Facebook went to therapy and

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Speaker 1: like every report is like we're losing users. Only five

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Speaker 1: VR headsets. Jason Pargean has started a TikTok account. We're fucked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's something you think is overrated? Jason, I'm not reporting

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Speaker 1: this as news. That's why we have it here and

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Speaker 1: not in the news section. But apparently Airbnb among their

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Speaker 1: these people talk, they have Facebook groups, they are active

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, and somehow I have wound up in Airbnb

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Speaker 1: TikTok for some reason, and apparently bookings have collapsed. So

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Speaker 1: I've got in our notes here I posted in the dock.

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Speaker 1: But this is just people he's dropping on all of

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Speaker 1: these groups, and apparently Airbnb owners everywhere are saying the

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Speaker 1: same thing that they bookings are way, way, way down,

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Speaker 1: which if you don't understand why some people are getting

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Speaker 1: some like bleef from that. Airbnb like this has root

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Speaker 1: because people would snatch up these properties and then turn

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Speaker 1: them flip them into Airbnbs, and it is a business

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Speaker 1: form that it is right now, the hotels are better

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Speaker 1: a thing where they left listed for twent or sixty

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Speaker 1: a night. Everybody's mad at Airbnb. So hearing that these

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Speaker 1: these people kind of if if this is true, kind

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Speaker 1: when a lot of we really didn't feel too bad

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Speaker 1: He was like I found my first like group of

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Speaker 1: exploitable angry people in gaming forums. Like he specifically like

427
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Speaker 1: went after like the gammer Gate thing. It was like

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Speaker 1: that that was eye opening to me, and now he's

429
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Speaker 1: going after PTA meetings he feels like that's that's where

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Speaker 1: the future of the movement is is in in that anger.

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Speaker 1: But let's let's stay on on politics, because it does

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Speaker 1: seem like there's a continued strategy for the Democrats not

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Speaker 1: to talk about the economy. Republicans are willing to talk

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Speaker 1: about the economy, and there's just like, at least how

435
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Speaker 1: it breaks down nationally, it seems like that's Republicans want

436
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Speaker 1: to make this about the economy, but the Democrats want

437
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Speaker 1: to make it about abortion, and that feels like not,

438
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Speaker 1: I don't know, hiding from the economic realities of people's

439
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Speaker 1: lives and the struggles they're going through, is probably not

440
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Speaker 1: a not a winning formula, right. No, to be clear

441
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Speaker 1: that there's no there's no Republican plan to fight inflation, right,

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Speaker 1: no other than what they're already doing, which is to

443
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Speaker 1: raise interest rates. Like that's there's not many levers you

444
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Speaker 1: can pull to make that go away. You still just

445
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Speaker 1: have the issue of production is slower than demand, and

446
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Speaker 1: that's people are fighting over goods and prices keep going up.

447
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Speaker 1: And the once prices are going up, everyone who is

448
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Speaker 1: selling something has an excuse to raise their prices because

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Speaker 1: you can say, oh, that's inflation. Inflation, Like who wouldn't

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Speaker 1: tech on if you thought you had permission from the

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Speaker 1: public to do so, right, And you know, like as

452
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Speaker 1: you're talking Jack about the polling like in the summer,

453
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Speaker 1: everyone's like, Wow, the Republicans really helped Democrats out by

454
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Speaker 1: going all in on like the forced birth agenda, and

455
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Speaker 1: it seemed like that was the thing that they were

456
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Speaker 1: just going to let them. You know, that's like just

457
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Speaker 1: fuel their casual strategy when despite having literal like you know,

458
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Speaker 1: theocratic fascists like foaming at the mouth to normalize even

459
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Speaker 1: more cruel bullshit. It's like, you do they understand the

460
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Speaker 1: stakes because, like you're saying, Jason, like the said thing

461
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Speaker 1: is the Republicans are fucking terrible about talking about the economy,

462
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Speaker 1: like in a substantive way, because their economic agenda basically

463
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Speaker 1: boils down to, hey, fuck your life, Like there's nothing

464
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Speaker 1: much there in terms of like here's a lifeline, here's

465
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Speaker 1: an idea, what can we do? They have like nothing

466
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Speaker 1: to address address like income inequality. They don't pretend that

467
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Speaker 1: wages are an issue, so they're able to just be

468
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Speaker 1: like it's out of control. Byron's raising the prices gas

469
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Speaker 1: is out of control. It's all because of this woke

470
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Speaker 1: stuff that he's doing, which they've kind of they're trying

471
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Speaker 1: to meld inflation with like whether that's student loan forgiveness

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Speaker 1: or stimulus checks during the pandemic. They're just really going

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Speaker 1: after that. And it's really hard to watch because like

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Speaker 1: there was a note that there's an article about how

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Speaker 1: like democracts were told just don't talk about the economy,

476
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Speaker 1: and it's almost like they don't want to acknowledge the

477
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Speaker 1: thing that is very real and happening because they don't

478
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Speaker 1: want to suddenly make like the headlines be like, oh,

479
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Speaker 1: democrats do think the inflation is a problem, despite the

480
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Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act that they just signed. So there in

481
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Speaker 1: this like really in effective position where they're just trying

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Speaker 1: to hope that something else might shift the conversation again

483
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Speaker 1: away from the economy, but it doesn't look like that's

484
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Speaker 1: gonna happen, especially as like the polls type. It's just

485
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Speaker 1: so weird the way issues fade, because you would think

486
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter like whether or not they held the

487
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Speaker 1: mid terms right after the abortion ruling or whether or

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Speaker 1: not they they held them. Several months later, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: the reality is still the same. If anything, we've seen

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Speaker 1: further examples of now floating in a national abortion band

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Speaker 1: that they would do if they had all three branches

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Speaker 1: of government at some point, so you would think, but

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Speaker 1: you can see it in the polling, like the relevance

494
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Speaker 1: of the issue just kind of goes down or down

495
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Speaker 1: down with time as people and the same thing with scandal.

496
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Speaker 1: It's like the scandal never went away, but a few

497
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Speaker 1: weeks later you kind of see people move on and

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I I guess they can still turn

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Speaker 1: up at the polls. It can still turn up, but

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Speaker 1: at least in the polling the passions over abortion I

501
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Speaker 1: have as they go down. People angry about high prices

502
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Speaker 1: just kind of swamps it because ultimately most people do

503
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Speaker 1: vote based on how much their gases, their gasolineness. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's just reality. It's and it's a good opportunity

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Speaker 1: to talk to working people. But again, like ideologically, democrats

506
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Speaker 1: are at the end of their rope for ideas they

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Speaker 1: can give to tackle things like like economic inequality, because

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Speaker 1: like again they've hit the peak of like a globalized

509
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Speaker 1: economy and then anything else because on the path to

510
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Speaker 1: this like peak that they've reached, it created all of

511
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Speaker 1: these people left behind in the economy and to now

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Speaker 1: look back at that, it's kind of like we've said before,

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Speaker 1: it requires them to begin having a reckoning with like capitalism,

514
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Speaker 1: which is just impossible. So for them, it's like, fun,

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Speaker 1: just don't fucking talk about it. Maybe we can just

516
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Speaker 1: like we can just kind of stifle the the voices

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Speaker 1: that are saying something bad is happening in the economy

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Speaker 1: because they like, why not just talk about inflation for

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Speaker 1: what it is, like you're getting gouged by companies, right,

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Speaker 1: But they can't because they're getting money from this. It's

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Speaker 1: like what the relationship is all fucked up that it's

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Speaker 1: even hard for them to speak honestly about it. But

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Speaker 1: it would be very difficult for them to do that,

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Speaker 1: especially for you know, like the mainstream establishment Democrats. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats were still investing like funding campaigns of very trumpy,

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Speaker 1: like hate speech spewing candidates Trump approved candidates in six

527
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Speaker 1: primaries during this election, where they thought it gave them

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Speaker 1: a better chance at winning. And it's probably gonna work

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Speaker 1: and at least five of the six and maybe all

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Speaker 1: six according to polling, although according to polling, should probably

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Speaker 1: be on all the tombstones after the Second American Civil

532
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Speaker 1: War since it's good, it's good for Trump to win.

533
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Speaker 1: The primary strategy in ten was probably one of the

534
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Speaker 1: all time biggest funk ups in the history of US politics.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that they still pursue that strategy of like, well,

536
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: the extremists like don't appeal to as many people. It

537
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Speaker 1: just it's it's cynical. It's how you play politics, I guess.

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Speaker 1: But it also it's Russian roulette. And you're also contributing

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Speaker 1: to a discourse that is normalizing like that sort of

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Speaker 1: talking those sorts of ideas, like what you're you're funding

541
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Speaker 1: people who put those sorts of ideas. You're you're paying

542
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Speaker 1: for commercials where they like question the legitimacy of the election,

543
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Speaker 1: and you know, like just wild ship that and like

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Speaker 1: the long there's no it seems like there's no long

545
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Speaker 1: term vision in in that game, Like the Republicans just

546
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Speaker 1: keep drifting further and further out to see in the

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Speaker 1: Democrats just like stay on shore and are like we're

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Speaker 1: the only ones you got until it becomes clear that

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Speaker 1: there not going to do anything about economic inequality or

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Speaker 1: you know, the economic conditions that are making people's lives difficult,

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Speaker 1: at which point they lose and a party that has

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Speaker 1: gone fully like white nationalists, misogynistic theocracy is now in power.

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Speaker 1: And I think that I think they probably had that

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Speaker 1: as like a long term like twenty year danger or

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Speaker 1: something when they're when they're doing these things, but it's

556
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Speaker 1: it's it's not like it's it we there's just this cynicism.

557
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: Like I remember listening to the crooked media guys talking

558
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Speaker 1: ahead of the Trump election and being like, we got

559
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: all these bedwetters out here who like think that Trump

560
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: actually has a chance, and it's like this cynicism that

561
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: like we got this, we our numbers are good. They

562
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Speaker 1: like show us what's going to happen in the few sure,

563
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: and it really is fucking us. And by having that

564
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Speaker 1: be the default position of like the only alternative to

565
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Speaker 1: something that is quickly becoming like a just overtly fascist party,

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Speaker 1: it's really it's really fucking dangerous, and it's really frustrating

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Speaker 1: the fact that they won't even talk about the economy,

568
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Speaker 1: because I mean, I think that has more to do

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Speaker 1: with the fact that like the same thing that was

570
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Speaker 1: driving Biden once he got into office to be like,

571
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Speaker 1: I don't know, my hands are tied here. Guys like

572
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Speaker 1: don't because like he can't do anything because of how

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Speaker 1: powerful the market is and these massive corporations are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not entrenched to you is something too. So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like catch twenty two though, because one thing

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Speaker 1: I know, and I got into arguments some people about this,

577
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Speaker 1: but whether or not you think Trump is a fascist.

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Speaker 1: The one thing we did find out was that making

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Speaker 1: your entire campaign calling him a fascist doesn't work right

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Speaker 1: among the people who would potentially vote for him or

581
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Speaker 1: thinking about voting for him, that just that bounces off them.

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Speaker 1: And all the talk about he's white nationalists, he's a massagists,

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Speaker 1: that they're theocrats, all those all those are just buzzwords.

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Speaker 1: Where So I my fear is that in the next

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Speaker 1: election or the next or the next if you think, well, hey,

586
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Speaker 1: the our entire campaign has to be playing like our

587
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Speaker 1: ads are just low lights of them saying horrible things

588
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Speaker 1: and us, Saint see it's us or the monsters. That's

589
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Speaker 1: just not a compellion mess to people, it's just gesture

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Speaker 1: to the right and say just what you want. And again,

591
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Speaker 1: like by even backing these people in their primaries, you're

592
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Speaker 1: normalizing in the sense like Democratic Republicans now, like I

593
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Speaker 1: don't know, you could be a Coker Pepsi person. They're

594
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Speaker 1: pretty similar because they're normal. That's like the binary when

595
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Speaker 1: really it's like no, they're they're they're they're going to

596
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Speaker 1: create a world that is even more insufferable than the

597
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Speaker 1: one we fucking have now. But even now we have

598
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Speaker 1: people are saying I'm the alternative. What can I offer

599
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Speaker 1: you for a vision of the future? Not much, just

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Speaker 1: that it's not this right now, and that again like

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Speaker 1: it's just that's that doesn't really connect to people who

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Speaker 1: might not be as engaged and are really asking questions

603
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Speaker 1: and like what can I do to make my life better?

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Speaker 1: How does how does represent it? How does representation and

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Speaker 1: government affect me? And they're absolutely gonna like miss that,

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Speaker 1: like really fun that fight up because I just want

607
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: to point out there's this guy bo Hines who's running

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina. He's like running in the thirteenth Congressional

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Speaker 1: district of North Carolina. He said this like at a rally. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is them talking about the economy. Is a Democrat

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Speaker 1: or republican? Republican? Republican? Uh. This guy is twenty seven

612
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Speaker 1: years old, I think, or eight or something like that.

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Speaker 1: He said, Quote me and my wife, we can't afford

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Speaker 1: to give up a month's salary with eight point three

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Speaker 1: percent inflation, that is the equivalent of one month's salary

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Speaker 1: for the average American. I know in my household, my

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Speaker 1: wife and I can't afford to give up one month's salary.

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Speaker 1: We have bills to bay. We have we have bills, Toby,

619
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Speaker 1: we have a rent to pay now, he says me.

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Speaker 1: And this again, this is fucking crave. And these people

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Speaker 1: are this guy, he said, me and my wife's salary.

622
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Speaker 1: Guess what. This guy has no fucking job because he

623
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Speaker 1: lives off of a trust fund. He has no income.

624
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Speaker 1: You look at the filings for his like her, for

625
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Speaker 1: his campaign. He's taking money out of like the Heinz

626
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Speaker 1: children's trust to finance this ship. And we have and

627
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Speaker 1: so like this is a guy who wants, you know,

628
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Speaker 1: Q and On to be his like fucking new Dad.

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Speaker 1: Have no exceptions for abortions. And the Democrats think that

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Speaker 1: staying silent while this fucking clown cosplays as someone with

631
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Speaker 1: a job is the smart choice and just be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let him say that. Democrats, what about you? What's your

633
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Speaker 1: what do you what's your take on inflation or the economy? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really want to talk about the lack

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Speaker 1: of choice people are experience, Like that's you've, you've. That's

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Speaker 1: not a compelling argument for someone who's actually on the

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Speaker 1: fence with the ship Jack. I know, we did a

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Speaker 1: podcast a thousand years ago that crancked about the whole

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Speaker 1: diconomy of Trump being a billionaire who was born wealthy

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Speaker 1: but being able to, I guess speak the language of

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Speaker 1: the common working people because it's it's a class thing,

642
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: and class doesn't cross perfectly over into income like everything

643
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Speaker 1: you just said. There Again, this guy's supporters, they're not

644
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: going to hear that, because it's like he gets me

645
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Speaker 1: in the same way that Trump gets me. It's like, well,

646
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Speaker 1: Trump has never lived like you for even one day,

647
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Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, he's always been good at you know,

648
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Speaker 1: he's got working class tastes. He ha's McDonald's. You know,

649
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Speaker 1: he does all the until you can see these lower Yeah,

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Speaker 1: these lower level Canada's doing the same thing. It's like

651
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Speaker 1: suddenly they've got a pickup truck and they wear a

652
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Speaker 1: car heart jacket, all those signifiers. It's like, well, this, yeah,

653
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Speaker 1: you were you were born in Connecticut and went to

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Speaker 1: a private school. You've never but if it works, it works.

655
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to act like these people are

656
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Speaker 1: are ignorant or whatever. I think they're just so happy

657
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: to have someone who seems to care about them. It

658
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: to me, it seems extremely transparent, but it feels I

659
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Speaker 1: don't want to do the elitist thing of what are

660
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Speaker 1: these these illiterate morons not see how they're being played

661
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Speaker 1: because I I don't know. They're desperate. They want somebody

662
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: who acts like they're standing up for them. And if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're on a fixed income, you're some older

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Speaker 1: person trying to get buying your Social Security check in

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Speaker 1: a part time job. Man, that inflation is killer. Yeah,

666
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Speaker 1: And my critique isn't of the people who would say, wow,

667
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: this guy gets me. It's the fact that the Democrats

668
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: are just as easily like you have just as many

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Speaker 1: trust fund or millionaire people there who are like, I

670
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Speaker 1: can't I don't know how to talk to working people

671
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Speaker 1: at all. You're like, I just don't, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's also like my confusion is to completely seed

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Speaker 1: the ground to have a substantive like actually say things

674
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Speaker 1: like if you're you're really trying to connect to people

675
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: like that, you have to you have to speak to

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00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: the lived experience of those people and not just like

677
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: these sort of kind of like sort of these speculative

678
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Speaker 1: like boogeymen that they cast in the in the future

679
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: to avoid like really talking about how we can change

680
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: things now. It all seems like things that should be

681
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: very easy to defend against if you're a smart campaign

682
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: or a smart politician, right, Like the claims, everything they

683
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: claim about themselves, the conspiracy stuff, because that is part

684
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Speaker 1: of the whole The schools are grooming our children. You're

685
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Speaker 1: looking in the Q and on people because that's you know,

686
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Speaker 1: it's you're you're sending code words about the powerful trying

687
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Speaker 1: to groom your innocent children into weird sex stuff. You

688
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Speaker 1: would think in a better world it would be very

689
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Speaker 1: easy to counter that with straight talk about you know,

690
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Speaker 1: catching table issues. But you see it, But these elections

691
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: are either very close or else, Like it's I don't

692
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Speaker 1: know if it feels like this shouldn't work. But I

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Speaker 1: will admit to anybody listening to who listens to this show,

694
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: who hate listens because they want to do their own

695
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: show about how terrible we are, I will admit I'm

696
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Speaker 1: out of touch because I don't see why it's not

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Speaker 1: the example you just gave this guy, I don't see

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Speaker 1: why it's not. You can't just knock him down with

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Speaker 1: a single ad exposing his real background or his work whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I know, yeah, it feels like it should be

701
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: easy to defeat, but it's not right. It's more just

702
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: like the idea that you're like saying, well, tell like

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Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm running, I'm asking leadership, why can't

704
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: I talk about the economy? Right? Why can't I? Because

705
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: it's actually like by avoid, it's you avoid that discussion

706
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: at your own peril. And I'm not saying that that's

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Speaker 1: the key to even taking bo Heinzen or something like that,

708
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Speaker 1: but just in general to avoid like again like this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Biden wrote in on this like vision

710
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: of like the build back better thing, and people were like, oh, interesting,

711
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Speaker 1: You're saying new different things about the world we're living in.

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Speaker 1: But now it's like, don't talk about that, Just fucking

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Speaker 1: avoid that, even though it's probably compelling for a lot

714
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Speaker 1: of people to hear. Are only upset about the economy

715
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: because politicians are talking about it versus they went to

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Speaker 1: go buy eggs at the store and the eggs cost

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Speaker 1: three times much about they used to, Like, you don't

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Speaker 1: need to talk about the economy for them to feel it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's their everyday if they they're looking at the

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Speaker 1: receipt right now. So, yeah, that's that's very strange to

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Speaker 1: think you can distract people from that. It's like kind

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Speaker 1: of nothing else matters after that. But bright, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and I think it just gives It's just like you're

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Speaker 1: you're also arming any person running against a Democrat with

725
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: even more like just more ammunition to be like they

726
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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it because they know how

727
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Speaker 1: bad it is. They know how bad is they don't

728
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Speaker 1: want to talk about They want to they want to

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Speaker 1: subdue any like report that would suggest there's any kind

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Speaker 1: of recession occurring or anything like that, and it's just

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Speaker 1: just talk about like the stuff that is okay. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like it is a disservice to

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Speaker 1: people who are probably for the first time, like I'm

734
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Speaker 1: completely underwater with bills that I have to pay. Things

735
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: are just exponentially becoming more expensive, and my paycheck can't

736
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Speaker 1: keep up with that. I need a solution to that, Like,

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Speaker 1: can you say something that I can believe in that

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Speaker 1: makes sense that you're going to adjust the scales or

739
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: that rebalance the scales. But again, this is like stuff

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Speaker 1: that's so antithetical to how the mainstream Democratic Party speaks

741
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Speaker 1: that it just kind of like Google. They don't have

742
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: an answer that is not like let the market decide

743
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: and the market is gone gone haywire, and they're kind

744
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: of at a loss for for what to say in

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Speaker 1: this case. So all right, well, let's take a quick

746
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Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and talk about the structure

747
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: of the universe. And we're back, and Jason, your new book,

748
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Speaker 1: as the title suggests, is about the multiverse, right, a

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Speaker 1: multiverse different different universes. Yeah, there's an element of that

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Speaker 1: in there, which I'm not saying that I was ahead

751
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Speaker 1: of the curve on this. It does take like three

752
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Speaker 1: years to get a novel from idea to the to

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Speaker 1: the world. So the fact that there's like nine moves

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Speaker 1: about multiverses in the last year, Like it's in the title. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, because already I have a book that if

756
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Speaker 1: I describe I describe it, it's it's it comes off

757
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: as like, oh, so it's like a book version of

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Speaker 1: Rick and Morty, like these two. It's like this this guy,

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Speaker 1: and he's kind of he's kind of crass and and

760
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: and but also there's weird stuff coming from other universes

761
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Speaker 1: and that you're always like dissecting some sort of a

762
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: sci fi trope in some horrible way, and it's very

763
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: profane since the humor. It's like, Okay, listen, I started

764
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: writing this in like two thousand. This is people write

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Speaker 1: Rick and Morty not even been born when I started writing.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. Yeah, I mean that. Yeah,

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00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: there's always been like fun multiverse stuff and in your books.

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Speaker 1: So that just made me want to, like, I think

769
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Speaker 1: a lot about the multiverse. Do you think of it

770
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Speaker 1: as like a fun plot device to play with or

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Speaker 1: is it a actual like scientific theory you take seriously?

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Speaker 1: How do you think about it? So? I have read

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Speaker 1: books about the many worlds interpretation of physics and by

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Speaker 1: many by books. I mean, I have watched two TikTok's

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Speaker 1: from Paint Green explain it, of course, about four or

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Speaker 1: five minutes. I do not understand because the multiverse the

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Speaker 1: way it's presented in Hollywood, where it's like spighting doors,

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Speaker 1: where it's human decisions that cause reality is to split,

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Speaker 1: that is not that's not the theory. That would be

780
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: extremely weird if the entire universe, all the particles in

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Speaker 1: universe pivoted on humans, human decision making, and this one

782
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: animal on this one planet, that would be very strange.

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Speaker 1: It is a very complicated thing where every particle in

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Speaker 1: the universe, I guess, And do you start getting into

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Speaker 1: way functions. I guess you have to know about a

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00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: way function is for this to make sense, and that

787
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: it collapses in like infinite ways. So there's like every

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00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: time a particle enters into a quantum state, it splits

789
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: the universe again. So there's when you say there's infinite universes,

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00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: it's literally trillions upon trillions upon trillions of universes, and

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00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: that there's no way to like travel from from one

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00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: to the next. So the theory in my mind exists

793
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: just as nonsense, kind of like trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how time travel would work, which is the answer is

795
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't. But as a plot device it's fantastic

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Speaker 1: for the same reason, for the same reason that that

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Speaker 1: time travel is because it is usually and the film

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Speaker 1: that everything everywhere all at once. What that film did

799
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Speaker 1: so well, that's what multiverse movies are about, which was

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Speaker 1: there about regret. It's about wondering, like what kind of

801
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: life you could have lived? And same thing, but most

802
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: time travel plots, that's what it is. You're going back

803
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: and trying to change something and then and the course

804
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: of it, you learn something about yourself. And this is

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00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: why usually when in the movie they start explaining the

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Speaker 1: science of the time travel or the science of the

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00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: multi verse, to usually skip over it because that's not

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00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: the point. There's these are stories about people, and it

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00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: works as a plot device. Kids, It's about, well, what

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Speaker 1: would have happened if it turned out that the Spider

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Speaker 1: Men from the different franchises all existed actually in parallel universes,

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Speaker 1: and they all had slightly different methods, and then they

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00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: all met each other. You get a movie that I

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Speaker 1: could barely follow when I did not find very interesting

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Speaker 1: all but I'm glad other people enjoy your But you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the not not the animated Spider verse, when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the latest no, the one with with all.

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Speaker 1: But why can I not remember the names of any

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Speaker 1: of the spider Tom Holland, Holland to Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 1: tofur great right from Yeah, real name? Don't make up

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Speaker 1: to to for. It's not imagine that after being named

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Speaker 1: tofur can Hey, he took the other part of Christopher Man.

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Speaker 1: That's like he's just like when you zig that that

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Speaker 1: guy's eggs and that's what's cool about him. There's some

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Speaker 1: ethnic background to that name that we're actually saying something

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Speaker 1: incredibly insensitive. We apologize. We if tofor is actually if

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Speaker 1: it actually has important meaning and some and some ethnicity.

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Speaker 1: We've meant no harm by that. But anyway, back to

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Speaker 1: what I was saying, No, I love it as a

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Speaker 1: plot device in terms of you know, is it real?

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Speaker 1: It is my understanding according to what I just read

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Speaker 1: on Wikipedia thirty minutes ago that the many world's interpretation

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Speaker 1: is believed by a majority of physicists actually did a

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Speaker 1: pole and something like like, because I guess the alternate

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Speaker 1: explanation of why particles behave. The way they do is

836
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Speaker 1: even weirder than the many world's interpretation, where it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: it all exists simultaneously, and that's why when you try

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Speaker 1: to observe them, there's a curious thing where it like

839
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: collapses into a way form of your reality, but it

840
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: could just as easily have been another state. It's every

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00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: attempt to explain it, people will say, look, we're gonna

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00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: make it very very simple. We're gonna explain it like

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Speaker 1: your five. I apparently need it explain like I'm three, right,

844
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: because I just it totally loses me. It's the same

845
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Speaker 1: thing when a physicist on YouTube or someone is trying

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Speaker 1: to explain how the universe is always expanding, and then

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Speaker 1: you ask the obvious question, well what is it expanding into, right,

848
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Speaker 1: and and they're like, well, well nothing. It's like, well, okay,

849
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: I can really smoke bob down and exit the room,

850
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: but like ineffectively, Like when a physicist tries to use

851
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: a smoke bombed to exit the room, it takes like

852
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: three smoke bombs. So it's the thing where I guess

853
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: you you're if you try to use what you know

854
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: about the world to understand it, you're immediately lost because

855
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: it just doesn't line up with anything you understand about

856
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: how physics works. Are anything, right, Yeah, I mean it's

857
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: like the when you get down to a quantum level,

858
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: like particles start doing two different things at the same time.

859
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: That that that was it for me. I was like,

860
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: all right, so I don't know my my brain when

861
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: I was on too many drugs as a teenager, my

862
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: brain actually was right about everything, it turns out, and

863
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: that I would need to get back on that many

864
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: drugs to uh to understand or even like conceive of this,

865
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: and that's that's not good for me. So I'm not

866
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: going to do that. I'll leave it to the physicists

867
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: and to Jason Pargeons to write about it. Smart people

868
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: do understand that, like the times you see like no

869
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: Grass the Grass Tyson, like his whole Twitter is just

870
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: like complaining that movies like that they're that their science

871
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: is wrong or whatever. He's like, you do understand that

872
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: whenever you have a plot device like this, it's always

873
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: just an excuse to tell a human story, and that

874
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: no writer actually cares about the science stuff, and even

875
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: the even stories that seem like they're very based in research,

876
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: like The Martian. There's probably a million reasons why that

877
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: story cannot actually have happened the way it is to

878
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: pick that. It's just, you know, it's ultimately is about

879
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, loneliness and isolation and having to overcome it

880
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: and hope and and all that stuff. But people care

881
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: about its stories. People like stories because they are about people,

882
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: not because they are about physics. Right. I remember people

883
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: were like, actually, that's not how you'd get water on Mars.

884
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: I felt was like the one science take when The

885
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: Martian came out. It's like, that would actually that's not

886
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: how you would actually do it on Mars. But go off,

887
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: Matt Damon, Go off. Then I only trust Matt Damon

888
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to Crypto. Don't nowhere else just Fortu,

889
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: the broke, yeah, or the just very very briefly, I'm

890
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: not going to go off on this. Listeners, if you

891
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: hear about an investment opportunity and a commercial at the

892
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you're you're not getting in on the ground floor.

893
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: The people, the people who are currently holding the bag

894
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: are trying to get rid of it, and they're trying

895
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: to lure in Rubes to buy the asset that they

896
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: know is about to go bad. See if it was

897
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: like a gold like gold mine already, they wouldn't tell

898
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: you about it. They would just collect the gold for themselves.

899
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: The moment they pay millions of dollars to try to

900
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: get you into crypto, they were trying to get you

901
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: to hold the bag and then in the price immediately

902
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: collapsed after that that that was on purpose. When the

903
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: thing they're selling is nothing, Be a little wary of that,

904
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: because that's yeah, it doesn't the whole I feel like

905
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: at this point, so much of the market has broken

906
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: down into Ponzi scheme, like it's just all yeah, so

907
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: so be wary. Jason Pargeon has always so fun having

908
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: you on the dailies like Geist, Where can people find you?

909
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: Follow you all that good stuff? Apparently TikTok im by us.

910
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Their name there is Jason K. Parge and P A R. G.

911
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: I n uh. The name of the book that I'm

912
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: promoting all week because this is the first crucial week

913
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: for the new book is I got a copy of

914
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: it behind me. If this book exists, you're in the

915
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: wrong universe. But if you have seen the John Dyes

916
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: at the end movie, that's the most likely thing or

917
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: if you know me from the Crack Days and have

918
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: read the books, it's one of those they're not serialized,

919
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: you can just read this one. If not, if you've

920
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: not read any of the other major if you've only

921
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: seen the movie, you can start with this one. It

922
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: would make much more sense for you to just get

923
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: one of the older books from a used bookstore flight

924
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: ninety nine cents rather than paying thirty bucks for this one.

925
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: But please do pay the thirty bucks for this one,

926
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: and it will explain the multiverse and the true nature

927
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: of the universe. So you know, how can you resist?

928
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Literally better than going to college, I would drop out

929
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: of a college and put your money into this buying

930
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: this novel. Some homies that would love they're like, wait,

931
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: what tell me more? And is there a tweet or

932
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying. Yeah,

933
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: there's a tweet. It's it's a video. So maybe this

934
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: doesn't convey as well here in the show. But as

935
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: from Zac, I think sweezon. But there was a clip

936
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: where I guess during when they were promoting the film

937
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: Nope from Jordan Peel. They did a thing where he

938
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: went into they did a cross promotion with the Metaverse,

939
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: and they did a recreation of the film inside the metaverse,

940
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: and then he with the gear on, had to pretend

941
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: to be incredibly impressed with it. And it is just

942
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: the worst jan kiest animation. It looks like absolute ship

943
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 1: and he's having to be like wow, oh my gosh.

944
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: It's it's like this is this is like we're living

945
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: in my movie. Like I'm like, well, we used to

946
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: be just chatting on the porch here. That's one of

947
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: the acts for the fans see Heywood ran and to

948
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: see this world and to experience it like I intended

949
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: them to experience. It's completely immersed. Yeah, Palmer, she got

950
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: no legs on that motorcycle. The characters do not have legs.

951
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the update, right they got legs now, No,

952
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: that turned out that did not that fell through. That

953
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: was right. They're still not capable of doing legs in

954
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: the metaverse. So it is tragic. The thing that was

955
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: great about Nope is how like intricately imagined it was,

956
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: how many like just cool things there were to see

957
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: everywhere on the screen. And he's here having to sell

958
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: like something that's just like a house that is in

959
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: their general shape of of the house from Nope in

960
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: a void with like one one tree, like not even

961
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: they didn't go out of their way to do a

962
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: good job. Like if if a he's like Nintendo Entertainment

963
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: System game tried to recreate the world of Nope, they

964
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: would have added more trees and details than it's. It

965
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: feels like they've done here. It's just like a beige void.

966
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: And Jordan Peel I need to remind myself is he

967
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: might be my favorite comedic actor, Like before he was

968
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: making movies like watching Key and Peel, I was like

969
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: that like some of the like subtlety of what he does,

970
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: and like he is the greatest actor. And even this

971
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: challenge was it was too much. You can't say like yeah, man, wow,

972
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: oh so this is definitely how I envisioned the world.

973
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: Fact that I said that was just flat, two dimensional world.

974
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: I could add another hour to this podcast with my

975
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: I Okay, look, listeners, I understand that a lot of

976
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: people work at Meta. I understand that they need those jobs.

977
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling for them to lose their jobs. I've

978
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: been through that. I know what a layoff is like

979
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: because of Facebook. But it is for the fact that

980
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg thinks that because he got in on the ground,

981
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: he was the second one in the market after MySpace

982
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: with the whole you know, social media thing. It is

983
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: slightly more usable and they a an all time epic

984
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: fortune off that he now thinks that he has a

985
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: second good idea that he doesn't. He does not. There

986
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: is no one wants this, No one will ever want this.

987
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't improve anything. It is what we thought the

988
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: future would look like, back when we were too dumb

989
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: to know what the future looked like like in three

990
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, tron or whatever. This is why it's It's

991
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: such an antiquated, ridiculous idea. The thought that the kids

992
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: coming up now on TikTok and Snapchat and all that

993
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: that this is what they want. Is this this terribly

994
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: rendered thing that their grandparents are using and with a

995
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: big stupid, sweaty helmet on their head. It's so stupid

996
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: And I I'm not rooting for to fail. Well, no,

997
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: I am rooting for to fail. How can I say this?

998
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: I hope that after a spectacularly fails, that everyone lands

999
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: on their feet except for Mark Zuckerburn. Yeah, yeah, I

1000
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: just I do love the confidence with which he's just

1001
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: sticking with this. He's seating it in the mainstream media.

1002
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: He's getting like nope, and but you know, like movies

1003
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: and out billions and billions on this. But he because

1004
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: he has the confidence of that first decision, and he

1005
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: doesn't realize that every moment since he became a billionaire

1006
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: has taken him further and further away from having an

1007
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: instinct for what people, what real normal people are like.

1008
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: And so he's, yeah, it's it's fun, it's you know,

1009
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's like one of the celebrity lose it

1010
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: and you know, is starting to like create things that

1011
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: are like wait, what like you have to kind of

1012
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: school and at it. That that's what meta feels like

1013
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: to me. He's just he's he's on his own planet,

1014
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: as all billionaires are. Just let it go, Mark, let

1015
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: it go, sir. Yeah, then nope. Simulation looked pretty cool. Miles,

1016
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying?

1017
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Uh,

1018
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: catch Jack and I lamenting or celebrating the ongoing NBA

1019
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: season on our basketball podcast. Miles and Jacob Matt boost

1020
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: these Also. I feel like ninety day checked me out

1021
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: on four twenty Day Fiance. That's another podcast. Some tweets

1022
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: are like, First, one is from New York Times pitchpot.

1023
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard about this Arizona Republican

1024
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: who was like running for the community college board seat,

1025
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: who was like running on a save our children campaign,

1026
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: and the police arrested him for masturbating by a school

1027
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: and he just said, I'm sorry, I I fucked up.

1028
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm under stress. And then like the Secretary of State,

1029
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: it's like, we can't get this guy off the ballot.

1030
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: It's just kind of difficult. This is from New York

1031
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Times pitch spot at Doug Jay Balloon, just for reference.

1032
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: Whether it's Democrats using closed captions during interviews or Republicans

1033
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: masturbating in preschool parking lots, both sides have struggled with

1034
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: some troubling optics. Yep, yep, yep. Fair New York Times. Uh.

1035
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: And then at gnome to Barbarian tweeted quote tweeted first

1036
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: a tweet from simply Shingy that said Homer Simpson was

1037
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: a true baller because how did he afford three children

1038
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: to attach suburban house, two cars to stay at home?

1039
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: Wife an extra change for his drinking problem with absolutely

1040
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: no side hustles and nome to Barbarian tweeted he had

1041
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: a union job and a house bought in the eighties

1042
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: with money given to him by his father, who was

1043
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: himself a veteran who was able to receive g I

1044
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: Bill benefits. And he was supposed to represent the decline

1045
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: of living standards in the eighties. His was supposed to

1046
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: be a low class life. Yeah, it's food for thought. Definitely.

1047
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: A couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Taylor at Billy

1048
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Idol tweeted one thing about me, I'm not going to

1049
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: read the room. I will, however, fill it with my presence.

1050
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Your mom died, Mine didn't. I went to the beach yesterday.

1051
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: And then Puzzle tweeted, Oh, America isn't exceptional. We put

1052
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: the first ever school teacher in a space shuttle and

1053
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: then blew her up over the ocean. Did your country

1054
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: do that? Which? That's dark, but yeah, exceptional facts. Also

1055
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: go check out the new podcast from former guests on

1056
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: this podcast, Sires Castle, a tradition of violence about l

1057
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Speaker 1: a Sheriff's Department gang just dropped its first two episodes

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Speaker 1: footnotes where we link off to the information that we

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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as a song

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Speaker 1: that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do

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Speaker 1: we think people might enjoy? This is a group called

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Speaker 1: Charlotte Arry and Bolus Pupil b U p U l

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Speaker 1: Uh and they are like electronic duo from Ghent, Belgium,

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Speaker 1: and like their lyrics like talk about like post colonialism

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Speaker 1: and all kind of really interesting lyrics for how like

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Speaker 1: kind of dancy and just sort of light feeling. The

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Speaker 1: music is. This track is called making Sense Stop and

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Speaker 1: it's just like a fun track. Their music is really

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Speaker 1: cool because it's like the lyrics actually have a little

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Speaker 1: bit of substance to them and they're you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just kind of easy listens but fun too. So this

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Speaker 1: is Charlotte a Disonarie and and Ballss Pupil with making

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Speaker 1: sense stop. It's like if radio gets the machine had

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Speaker 1: like fun dancey pop music and said yeah exactly, but

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Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, hold on what they just say?

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Speaker 1: Rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun? All right? The Deli

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