WEBVTT - Jonathon’s ‘Paradise’ Ebbs and Flows

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy Art. I'm John

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<v Speaker 1>and we are here today with Jonathan and Jonathan and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a better Happy Hour.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? Thanks for having me? How is doing

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<v Speaker 2>doing good?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing good? Another day? Another day in paradise? It how

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<v Speaker 1>we feeling everything everything?

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little anxious to last night's episode, but

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<v Speaker 2>feeling good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You You've had kind of an interesting run so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's uh, I guess let's get get into the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of it all. You when did you find out you

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<v Speaker 1>were like asked on mental all right or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I found I found out back in August.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And what has that been like as far as dating,

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<v Speaker 1>Like did you even try to date or you just

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<v Speaker 1>like I just I'm I'm committed to going on Paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was committed. You know. I'm a big proponent of

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<v Speaker 2>like if I say yes it's something, I'm gonna stick

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<v Speaker 2>to that thing, yeah, no matter what comes along. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's just a life thing that specifically relationships or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it might be. So while I was still open, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think like mentally I was fully like allowing myself

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<v Speaker 2>to like fall for people that I would go see

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<v Speaker 2>or take out on dates or do whatever it is

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<v Speaker 2>that I was going to do. You know, I had

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<v Speaker 2>this this block called paradise in the back of my

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<v Speaker 2>mind that if I didn't go do this, like I

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<v Speaker 2>would potentially regret it because I said, yes, this was

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<v Speaker 2>I was locked in for about was that nine months?

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<v Speaker 2>Ready to go?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't you you run around a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>like the Bachelor Circle. You're invited to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>events in California. Any you know, when you met, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any of the girls from the other seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>was there anything? There was? Everything just friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean most of the girls I meet are dating people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like in LA I'll hang

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<v Speaker 2>out with Joey and Kelsey, I hang out with Tanner,

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<v Speaker 2>I hang out with Justin. But when I first met

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<v Speaker 2>Justin and was hanging out, he was still a Susie,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So like it wasn't necessarily like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in these people, but all the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>like you would potentially be interested in are in relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>So I never looked at it like that. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, Oh, I'm gonna make friends with as many

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<v Speaker 2>of these people as I can and genuinely enjoy my

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<v Speaker 2>time with them. So I just didn't cross paths as

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that was in that boat.

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<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't as much like the group of guys

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<v Speaker 3>from your season were hanging out with like a group

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<v Speaker 3>of girls from Joey's season. Okay, that's kind of for

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<v Speaker 3>the best. I feel like when that organically doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I was kind of holding out for

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<v Speaker 2>that too. I was like, I don't want to have

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<v Speaker 2>like a preconceived judgment on people before going in. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I want to go in as open minded

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<v Speaker 2>as I can. I did, but I think it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bit me in the butt a little bit where

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<v Speaker 2>really has So I feel like I should have looked

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<v Speaker 2>into people a little bit more. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>my asking of being like, hey, I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>see this person there necessarily would have actually happened m m,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a chance that it could have. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more like, hey, I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>this person there, like I needed to have them.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying telling like production like I will Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't give any names.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I did. I said I gave names of

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<v Speaker 2>people that I was attracted to, but I never like

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<v Speaker 2>fully looked at like stocked people, looked into their accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>like talk to them outside of the show. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>knew how much of that bit people in the ass

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<v Speaker 2>previous seasons. I was like, that's not going to be me. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>part of me kind of wishes that I did a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Were there people that did that and it helped them

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<v Speaker 3>once they got down there? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so? Actually, all those are pretty organic, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Spencer and Jess very organic. Like, I know they'd

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<v Speaker 2>seen each other before, but I don't think they've ever spoken.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy and Bailey, like, I don't think that they'd ever

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<v Speaker 2>actually spoken before, but they'd seen each other and it

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<v Speaker 2>worked out great. Yeah Dayalen cat Nope, but again organically met.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. What makes you wish that you had done a

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<v Speaker 3>little more research before going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, because I think I'm a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of a slow burn. Like I wanted to go on

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<v Speaker 2>and treat it very realistically, and it's hard to be

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<v Speaker 2>realistic in an unrealistic environment. I learned it the hard way.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I was trying to be realistic, I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I should have gotten a little bit more of an understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>If I would actually be into this person from a

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<v Speaker 2>mental standpoint and then meet them fiscally in person and

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<v Speaker 2>then go from there.

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<v Speaker 3>I see, because you're a slow barn, you would have

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like helped guide you on the people that

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<v Speaker 3>you I'd have been more compatible with, versus finding out

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<v Speaker 3>down there like, oh, I've just invested my time in

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<v Speaker 3>a few people and now I'm learning that, like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they're not going to be a fit, Whereas if I'd

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<v Speaker 3>done the research in advance, I could have ruled out

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<v Speaker 3>a few people and focused my attention elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep. And I don't think there was an immediate

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<v Speaker 2>connection with anybody that I had gotten down there with,

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<v Speaker 2>like Alex and I think a lot of it was

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<v Speaker 2>people on the outside being like, you guys would be

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<v Speaker 2>great together. You guys are gonna be hilarious, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great match, it's perfect. Well, then to us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a lot of pressure behind it, and

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<v Speaker 2>for the first few days we're like, hmmmm, this is

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<v Speaker 2>too forced, like naw, we probably shouldn't. And then we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, are we being downb like like are people

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<v Speaker 2>seeing something We're not, so we gave it a shot,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like the funniness was there, like if

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<v Speaker 2>if we didn't have like a show and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like cutting between bits like you would just see how adhd.

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<v Speaker 2>The conversations were like we were here, here, here, here,

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<v Speaker 2>and it made less sense than like what was put

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<v Speaker 2>together for everybody to enjoy. But we loved it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we had so much fun doing it. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>where things got in the way was she had brought

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<v Speaker 2>up to me. She's like, oh, like, it doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're pursuing anybody. So when I heard that, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try more because

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<v Speaker 2>I actually do enjoy spending time with you. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I think the next day I was being very direct

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<v Speaker 2>at breakfast and I was like, Hey, I'm really into you.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel this way about you. I think you're this,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're that. And I don't think that she

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<v Speaker 2>had processed it yet, but she was like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>making me uncomfortable. Uncomfortable isn't like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of let me eat my breakfast man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, So it was more like I'm getting a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of love from you and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I I wanted it like.

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<v Speaker 3>This right, like maybe she wanted more from you, but

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<v Speaker 3>then by getting more it kind of made her realize

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't actually have those romantic feelings exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you guys, did you had you were the

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<v Speaker 1>first to kiss in the tent? Yeah, and that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it was really awkward that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was perfectly awkward though, Like it was very much like

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<v Speaker 2>it was very sexy moment for us, but like also

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<v Speaker 2>super awkward. So it was like, yeah, us like it

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<v Speaker 2>needed to happen because we hadn't yet, but it also

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<v Speaker 2>like we couldn't get away from us being us in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment, so it was it was just hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of kissing and a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>yahfing combined, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And you could tell too, because then other people would

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<v Speaker 2>come in, we'd just get straight into it and it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be fine. But for her and I I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it was, but there was this awkward block a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the time. But it was like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's the cutest person ever, so it's just like the

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<v Speaker 2>most endearing thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the cameras played a part in that?

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<v Speaker 1>At all. Like if you two would have met at

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<v Speaker 1>a bar in La, do you think it would have

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<v Speaker 1>would still be as awkward or do you think it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been like different?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, it's really hard to to fathom

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<v Speaker 2>that just because that wasn't how it worked out. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, even with the camera's there, like she was

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<v Speaker 2>still all over it, like our first conversation where we

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<v Speaker 2>sat down, She's like, yeah, doude it in your armpit and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know, and then she's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's still there. I would be like, damn, well you

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<v Speaker 1>hate me? Now you actually hate me? Okay, So you

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<v Speaker 1>basically you know, like Alex just isn't working out, like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys just aren't compatible, or maybe it's just there's

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<v Speaker 1>just not that like romantic spark. So when that ends,

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<v Speaker 1>where is your head at? And because you get her

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<v Speaker 1>who is the roses? First? The girls?

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<v Speaker 2>And you get one? Then I give her one, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the let's be friends conversation happened that following night

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<v Speaker 2>after the first ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So but when you gave her, when you gave

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<v Speaker 1>her the rose your row, yes, did you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>already know?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think this is going to work or were you

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<v Speaker 1>still hopeful at that time?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was still hopeful, you know. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this awkward tension will go away at some point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because we did have a lot of fun when we

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<v Speaker 2>sat together and just hung out, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I really feel it with anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else here. Yeah, I want to give this the best

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<v Speaker 2>shot that I can, So whant I give it to

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<v Speaker 2>her again? Yes, still super hopeful.

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<v Speaker 3>On that first day when you got down, there was

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<v Speaker 3>there anyone besides Alex And we see you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>talked to Kat that you were interested in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Kat, Kat, I was attracting through off

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<v Speaker 2>the jump. You know, she's stunning and we had great conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't think a lot of the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>we had were shown, but we had really good banter.

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<v Speaker 2>We had really good, just easy conversation. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>knew from the jump when Dale was walking down it

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<v Speaker 2>was I was standing next to her and we're having

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation. Dale comes in and all here is oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, Dad, and she's like freaking out, and I go, Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for me. I'm I'm so good. Like Dale

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<v Speaker 2>is six', five, beautiful light skinned. Man i'm, like we're

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<v Speaker 2>we are different. Individuals he's thirty, SIX i am twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight like she's this excited about this, man LIKE i,

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<v Speaker 2>Am i'm. Good like this is no longer going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a. There there's no triangle. Here this is a

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<v Speaker 2>line And i'm looking at their line from a. Distance

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<v Speaker 2>SO i was, Like kat AND i are not going to,

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<v Speaker 2>Happen Like i'm. Not i'm not concerned about. That but

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Fine so like after that moment, TOO i was, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>OKAY i Know cat's not in, it AND i also

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<v Speaker 2>don't you, KNOW i don't want to be like a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Choice you, Know i'd gone through that On gen. SEASON

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<v Speaker 2>i was, Like i'm good and not in a negative,

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<v Speaker 2>way LIKE i just was like in my, MIND i.

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<v Speaker 2>KNEW i was, Like, okay that's. Fine and then outside of,

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<v Speaker 2>that like.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really and you're you're you're basically in a rough

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<v Speaker 1>spot because it's like Super you're just really not that

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<v Speaker 1>into anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Else do you Think Andrew spencer coming down also played

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<v Speaker 3>a role in the breakup between you And Alex. No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>YEAH i MEAN i really seemed like. IT i was just, curious, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything is solidified the the feelings that she had.

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<v Speaker 2>Presented you, Know i'm watching her hang out with, him

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<v Speaker 2>And i'm hearing the way she's talking about, it because

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<v Speaker 2>her AND i still were like immediate, friends like she

0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.240
<v Speaker 2>she friends on, me AND i, WAS i don't, Know

0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.160
<v Speaker 2>i'm not a spiteful, Person Like i'm, like, okay that's completely,

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<v Speaker 2>FINE i get, it like no hard, feelings BUT i

0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.640
<v Speaker 2>still just enjoyed spending time with, her so we still remained.

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<v Speaker 2>Friends and the way she would talk About andrew in

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<v Speaker 2>the way she just like looked at him in the

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<v Speaker 2>way that they like just had that immediately like we

0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't have, that And i'm so for you that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do and it made everything make sense rather than like

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite Where i'm, like, oh this, sucks it was

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<v Speaker 2>NOW i was like, perfect like she's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah if, ANYTHING i wonder if like that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>spark she had With andrew maybe just made it clear

0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.520
<v Speaker 3>that your guys' relationship was really rooted in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Friendship, yeah, yeah one hundred, Percent and that could have

0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.320
<v Speaker 2>been what happened in her head as, well and getting

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<v Speaker 2>to see it like it just it made the whole

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<v Speaker 2>picture just clicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Together, Okay so then there's There's. Jill, Yep jill comes.

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<v Speaker 1>Down what That's how does that?

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<v Speaker 4>Go?

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<v Speaker 2>Well you, KNOW i think going into, IT i had

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<v Speaker 2>Met jill previously once, before and in my, Mind i'm, like,

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<v Speaker 2>OH i see her as just a. Friend, yeah BUT

0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.680
<v Speaker 2>i knew when she'd come down. Here she came down

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<v Speaker 2>and she was really she was nervous about being, there

0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.920
<v Speaker 2>but also like, excited like as you. Get and she

0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.800
<v Speaker 2>just didn't have a connection with. Anybody AND i was,

0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.920
<v Speaker 2>like she came, down sat next to me and she started.

0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.960
<v Speaker 2>CRYING i was, like, HEY i encourage you to go

0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.680
<v Speaker 2>talk to other. People you, KNOW i want to see

0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you find a connection with, somebody and if, Not i'll

0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.320
<v Speaker 2>go on the date with you as friends and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a great time. Regardless and then we go on

0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the date and we had a lot of. Fun you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know we had a game that was, Prompting like it

0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.040
<v Speaker 2>was a prompted game where it's like kiss a body

0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.440
<v Speaker 2>part while you're playing. Twister it's an adult. Twist So i'm, like,

0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.280
<v Speaker 2>well we're, Adults like we can kiss in the mouth

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<v Speaker 2>and it's, Fine like whatever we do, cool we have,

0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.800
<v Speaker 2>fun get back to what we're. Doing and then at

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<v Speaker 2>the night of that next rose, ceremony and this is

0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.880
<v Speaker 2>probably WHERE i misspoke a little bit as well on my,

0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.680
<v Speaker 2>end AS i was, like, hey like you made my

0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:56.560
<v Speaker 2>decision a little bit, harder you, KNOW I and in my,

0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.520
<v Speaker 2>mind without over, EXPLAINING i was like harder to Choose

0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.320
<v Speaker 2>alex because her AND i just had an amazing conversation like,

0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.520
<v Speaker 2>deep it was just flowed super, easily AND i was,

0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:08.880
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i, KNOW i still want to give it To,

0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.560
<v Speaker 2>alex but she she did make my decision harder because

0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.400
<v Speaker 2>NOW i have this to think about of, like, hey

0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.199
<v Speaker 2>it's not that, easy but in my, Mind i'm, like

0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.920
<v Speaker 2>we're still, friends so like it's. Okay.

0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah AND i could totally see the miss how the

0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.040
<v Speaker 3>miscommunication happened there BECAUSE i could see How jill took,

0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.920
<v Speaker 3>it BUT i could also see how you meant it

0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.600
<v Speaker 3>of more, like, OH i not in a romantic, way

0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.720
<v Speaker 3>but you've developed like care for this, person you spent

0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.480
<v Speaker 3>time with, them and like she's hoping for a rose

0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.720
<v Speaker 3>from you and you're unfortunately gonna have to like give

0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.040
<v Speaker 3>it to someone else and know that you're like letting her,

0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.200
<v Speaker 3>down which also probably.

0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Sucked, yeah, YEAH i. Did and then it by the

0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.720
<v Speaker 2>circumstances that presented themselves to us with Justin lexie And,

0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:54.600
<v Speaker 2>susie she stays and you, KNOW i think after that

0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 2>conversation and again slight, miscommunication you, know she's. Hopeful now

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<v Speaker 2>in my, mind you, Know i'm still in this like friend. Mindset,

0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah AND.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like when you get when you're in that,

0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:08.960
<v Speaker 1>mindset it's almost impossible to.

0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.840
<v Speaker 2>The breaks, break especially in this environment where you're, Like,

0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.720
<v Speaker 2>okay you can see the thing switch for somebody, else

0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.160
<v Speaker 2>but it's like it's a, friend so you want to

0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.040
<v Speaker 2>let them down in the best easiest. Possible you don't

0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.160
<v Speaker 2>want to just be, like, no get out of my,

0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.600
<v Speaker 2>face like that's that's not. Me it's first of, all it's,

0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.840
<v Speaker 2>mean and nobody. SHOULD i don't need to bring other

0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.320
<v Speaker 2>people down to like feel better about a. Situation and

0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:37.480
<v Speaker 2>THEN i re explain pretty much all we just talked,

0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.040
<v Speaker 2>about but to her so like the confusion wasn't. There

0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and then during that she's, like but you said this and,

0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.040
<v Speaker 2>that AND i was, LIKE i understand where you're coming.

0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.080
<v Speaker 2>From and THEN i just tried to explain my side

0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.600
<v Speaker 2>AND i just wanted to be heard in the. Moment you,

0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.360
<v Speaker 2>know it was the hard part BECAUSE i was, like,

0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.720
<v Speaker 2>HEY i, KNOW i get, it LIKE i see WHERE

0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.280
<v Speaker 2>i messed, up And i'm so. Sorry AND i tried

0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.320
<v Speaker 2>to apologize. Twice and then ALL i wanted to do

0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.480
<v Speaker 2>is just share share my thoughts and. Opinions and as

0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.120
<v Speaker 2>soon as it like didn't feel as IF i was

0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like being hurt or even like allowed to have an

0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.120
<v Speaker 2>opinion on the, MATTER i started to get a little

0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.320
<v Speaker 2>defensive AND i got emotional AND i was, sad AND

0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.360
<v Speaker 2>i was, like, damn Like i'm just trying to like

0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.640
<v Speaker 2>be a good person. Here, YEAH i THINK i THINK

0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.360
<v Speaker 2>i needed to be the asshole in the moment and

0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.360
<v Speaker 2>just like let it.

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<v Speaker 1>Go, like you, KNOW i feel, like in my, opinion

0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.480
<v Speaker 1>in The paradise, situation that's so expedite. It you almost

0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.440
<v Speaker 1>have to be like pretty cutthroat with everything you do down, there.

0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.880
<v Speaker 2>You AND I and AGAIN i learned that the hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Way but that's just not, Me LIKE i don't like

0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to be cutthroat with. PEOPLE i don't want to like

0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.720
<v Speaker 2>tell somebody like No i'm not interested in, you get

0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:50.600
<v Speaker 2>out of my, face.

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<v Speaker 1>Like but, you but you kind of have to like,

0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Instantly it's, like as soon as they start, talking you

0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:54.960
<v Speaker 1>have to just be, like not going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Happen so, well you have a different approach on and off,

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<v Speaker 4>Television BUT i can understand what you're saying in the

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<v Speaker 4>sense that you seem to pride yourself on being a nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Person you are a nice, person and you didn't want

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.880
<v Speaker 3>her to leave that conversation thinking that you were an. Asshole,

0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.560
<v Speaker 3>UNFORTUNATELY i needed to BE i needed to let her

0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:16.919
<v Speaker 3>think you were an asshole in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Moment, yeah and then' that's where it kept just kind

0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.639
<v Speaker 2>of like bestering On and it's, like, dude you should

0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.800
<v Speaker 2>have just accepted that in her, eyes you were an

0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.360
<v Speaker 2>asshole that night and just let it. Be and IF

0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.240
<v Speaker 2>i just did, that then we would have had no weird.

0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Problem there would have been no defensive energy on my,

0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.399
<v Speaker 2>end and we would have moved on. Fine because the

0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.879
<v Speaker 2>next day her AND i were, Good and even before that,

0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 2>conversation her AND i were standing there next to each,

0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.600
<v Speaker 2>other we were. Good it was literally just that conversation

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that was just like. Tough.

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<v Speaker 3>YEAH i just felt like you guys were stuck in

0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.840
<v Speaker 3>a loop for way too, long way.

0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.919
<v Speaker 2>Too, long AND i kept repeating myself and it just

0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.920
<v Speaker 2>was not, like at no point in it was it

0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.480
<v Speaker 2>mean or anything, like there was no mean words. Exchanged

0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.080
<v Speaker 2>she cut me off a little, bit but like it.

0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Is what it, is like you, yeah, YEAH i became

0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:06.680
<v Speaker 3>a heat of. Conversation.

0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah well. Yeah outside commentary didn't help. Either watching it,

0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.399
<v Speaker 2>back people are, like, oh get the pop like we'or

0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and it made it seem like it was a huge.

0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Deal we're, LIKE i. DIDN'T i didn't know all that

0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:20.280
<v Speaker 2>was going, on but.

0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:21.119
<v Speaker 1>He caught up in the.

0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Moment but then moving forward from, that you And jil

0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:24.840
<v Speaker 3>moved forward as friends in a good.

0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Place we, yeah we were. FINE i don't know if

0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.320
<v Speaker 2>we were great anymore after, that but we were we were.

0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Fine Friendly, yeah friendly.

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Enough we were friendly. Enough we still cracked jokes at

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 2>one another here and, there like we ended up becoming, okay.

0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay so now we roll into this current week and

0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of solo at this. Point what is you?

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<v Speaker 1>Know IF i were, you it's it seemed and it

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.359
<v Speaker 1>seemed that way from like your demeanor was kind of, like,

0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.240
<v Speaker 1>yeah Like i'm just gonna enjoy the rest of this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here But i'm going home Like i'm not going to

0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>get a. Row at least that's what it seems. Like

0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>is there anyone that you're hoping potentially gets dropped on the, Beach,

0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like is there any girl that you know from from

0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the bets or franchise that you're, like if if this

0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.600
<v Speaker 1>girl gets, dropped MAYBE i have a chance gets.

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Dropped THAT i have a. Chance, NO i know there,

0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:25.080
<v Speaker 2>was and it's it's a crazy. ORDEAL i think of

0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the women That i've seen That i'm attracted, to you,

0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.720
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i Think mercedes is absolutely. BEAUTIFUL i don't know

0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>if you, know, yeah you know she. IS i Think

0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 2>dina From Grand season is beautiful.

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Too, well she could have Been dina could have definitely been.

0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:46.960
<v Speaker 2>There but other than, that like you, know looking back

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:47.880
<v Speaker 2>ON i was, LIKE i don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're looking at your options for like two hours

0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.640
<v Speaker 3>till the rows cermon and we see there's a riff

0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.120
<v Speaker 3>With cat And dale that you're kind of, like let,

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.639
<v Speaker 3>me MAYBE i can wiggle may way in. Here and

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:12.240
<v Speaker 3>then you've got some of the, Goldens.

0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.879
<v Speaker 1>April april in, particular.

0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Paying you some special attention.

0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Because at that, point LIKE i genuinely wanted to like go,

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 2>home which is, Insane like after my conversation With, jill

0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.120
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i went back to my room AND i literally

0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:27.840
<v Speaker 2>cried by myself AND i was, LIKE i JUST i

0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 2>just want to go, Home like nobody's for me. Anymore

0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.879
<v Speaker 2>it's it's time for me to. Leave and THEN i

0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:41.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that the opportunity With kat was even. There

0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i wasn't trying For cat's. ROSE i wasn't trying

0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.840
<v Speaker 2>For april's. ROSE i just wanted to enjoy my last

0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 2>night with the PEOPLE i enjoy spending time. With and

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i, Said cat AND i became friends and we

0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.879
<v Speaker 2>had great mans and we had great. CONVERSATIONS i was

0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.760
<v Speaker 2>just trying to be there through a difficult situation With.

0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Dale it did seem like you were kind of sliding

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 3>in on cattle of it. THOUGH i, mean you did

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.679
<v Speaker 3>walk over with two glasses of champagne and you're, roseless

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.440
<v Speaker 3>and you have expressed interest in. HER i, Mean i'm

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.920
<v Speaker 3>assuming you wouldn't have turned down her rose if things

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:13.320
<v Speaker 3>went that.

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Way, NO i wouldn't have turned it down by any.

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Means but it also wasn't like SOMETHING i was vying,

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 2>for LIKE i, said like WHEN i saw the way

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 2>she reacted To dale being, THERE i was, Like i'm,

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 2>okay you, know so like this moving, forward like this

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:39.200
<v Speaker 2>is literally just she was there AND i wanted to

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 2>make sure she was, Okay like it wasn't anything deeper than.

0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 1>That if she if she got like if her fight

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 1>With dell was relationship ending at that point and you

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.160
<v Speaker 1>did get Her, rose do you think there was anything there?

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Romantically would you have or would have just strictly been

0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 1>like platonic friendship at that point or would you have

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:03.679
<v Speaker 1>tried to see where things would go With?

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 2>KAT i THINK i would have been open minded about,

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:12.399
<v Speaker 2>It but, again LIKE i don't, KNOW i don't. Know,

0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.239
<v Speaker 2>yeah it's hard to like think back on Because i'm

0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>like in my, mind like, AGAIN i wouldn't want to

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.480
<v Speaker 2>be the second. Choice it's, like, oh you had to

0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.160
<v Speaker 2>find out that didn't work to realize that you wanted

0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.480
<v Speaker 2>to be with. Me, yeah and that's just like not

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.199
<v Speaker 2>a POSITION i wanted to put myself.

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 1>In, No but in the same breath it is also

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i agree with, you like no one wants no

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 1>one wants to be, like OH i want to be second,

0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Choice but in this simulation it is kind of could

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.120
<v Speaker 1>be part of, it like second choices could actually work

0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:48.640
<v Speaker 1>out because everything is so expedited and people sometimes just

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.400
<v Speaker 1>react and go one way and don't realize, like, hey

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe this person is actually maybe my person was

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Actually jonathan Not. Dale, yeah BUT i don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, YEAH i guess MAYBE i just be an open Minded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was one of those things where she was

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<v Speaker 2>reassuring the, fact, like, HEY i actually do really really like,

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.720
<v Speaker 2>you AND i know you wouldn't do whatever to. Me

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<v Speaker 2>like then sure made but.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay so then So, april, now were you you look truly?

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<v Speaker 1>Shocked were you truly?

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<v Speaker 3>SHOCKED i was truly shocked Watching i'm gonna be so.

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<v Speaker 1>Honest oh, SEE i thought watching, IT i was, Like

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<v Speaker 1>april's definitely gonna Give jonathan the.

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<v Speaker 3>ROSE i, didn't AND, i, well, A i didn't know

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 3>If golden's were allowed to give roses to non Golden

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.240
<v Speaker 3>it was very, unclear AND i just kind of assumed

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.160
<v Speaker 3>that probably wasn't a thing that was going to, happen

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 3>at least this early. On and she made out With,

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.159
<v Speaker 3>jack SO i was, like you, know that seems like

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 3>a thing that's going, On and, honestly JUST i was,

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Like jonathan gave it like a ten out of ten,

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 3>effort BUT i think he's going.

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<v Speaker 1>Home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well the thing was IS i didn't even try With,

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:05.360
<v Speaker 2>April LIKE i wasn't trying for a. Rose that night

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of The rose, Ceremony leslie had came and pulled me

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>for a chat and she was, like, hey can we?

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Talk AND i was like it was, random like, yeah,

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i. Guess so we have a super nice. Chat

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.480
<v Speaker 2>she's being like super, reassuring being super, sweet And i'm, like,

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 2>oh this is, nice like. Whatever she's, like, oh you

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>think you're gonna go for. Anyone i'm, like, no tonight's my,

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Night Like i'm going home And i'm trying to enjoy

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 2>it the best THAT i. Can did that our conversation.

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Ends it was really sweet as EVERYTHING i need in

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 2>that moment. Too and Then april also comes and pulls

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>me for a chat and she's, like, hey how's your night?

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Going Like leslie like filled me in on blah blah,

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 2>blah how are you? Feeling how you doing and pretty

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>much repeated the same. THING i was, LIKE i know

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be my last, night Like i'm just enjoying

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 2>my time with everybody having a good. TIME i don't

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 2>think anybody hears for. Me and she's, LIKE i don't

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 2>know how nobody hears like pursuing, you like you seem

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>like a, catch And i'm, LIKE i think it's a

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a, balancing LIKE i don't Think i'm

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.639
<v Speaker 2>pursuing people BECAUSE i may not be interested in, somebody

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 2>AND i think vice. Versa you, know it's not like

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.879
<v Speaker 2>a this side or this side. KIND i think.

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>It's not JUST i, mean it's just not.

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 2>There, yeah, Exactly, yeah it's just not there for. Me

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:24.439
<v Speaker 2>it's not it has nothing to do with the girls

0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 2>here and not being into. ME i think it's a mixed,

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>thing like they're not going to pursue somebody that they

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.679
<v Speaker 2>feel is not into them, back you. Know AND i

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 2>was just, like, no, like it's just it is what it,

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.199
<v Speaker 2>is LIKE i don't think my person's, here and she's, like,

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 2>well like IF i was, younger LIKE i would go for,

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 2>you blah blah, blah and just being so, sweet so

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>reassuring about it, all and then we move on with our.

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Night i'm, like, damn that was really nice of, Her

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>like she was she was, Great and THEN i just have.

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 2>FUN i hang out with the, GUYS i hang out

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 2>with the, girls having, drinks having a good. Time i'm

0:25:56.400 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Assuming i'm going home by the time ceremony. Happens you,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 2>know everybody our age gets the. Roses And i'm, Like

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 2>i'm smiling like an idiot Because i'm happy for my.

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Friends i'm, like, yes like everybody's, Good like they all

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 2>seem like they're in a relatively good. Place And i'm

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>watching The goldens, again just smiling because it's their first ceremony.

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Too and then she calls my name And i'm like.

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Me she's like, you And i'm like, no, no, no not,

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>me and she's, like my bags. Packed my bag was.

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:37.239
<v Speaker 2>PACKED i was so ready and calls me down And

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>i'm like no, way and she's just saying all these

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>like really, nice sweet. Things and for somebody who was

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 2>in a really anxious spot during, filming like it was

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.879
<v Speaker 2>just like the kindest. Moment AND i keep telling anybody

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>that asked, me, like what was it like having with gold,

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Down like The golden saved paradise for. Me AND i

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.359
<v Speaker 2>was in such an anxious, place like the weight of

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the world and my shoulders coming, in you, know there's

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of positive energy behind me going into. It

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>but like with, THAT i put a lot of pressure

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>on myself to be a certain, way to act a certain,

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 2>way and to like find somebody and give it like

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 2>a real. Shot that in doing, SO i didn't act

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>like myself throughout a lot of. It and it's a

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 2>really hard thing to watch back when you're not in

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 2>like your best, place you, Know like WHEN i was In,

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>BASTRO i was an amazing. MOOD i was having a great.

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Time it was just a new, experience and THEN i

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>come on this And i'm watching it, Back i'm, Like,

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 2>wow you were really just like in your, head and you,

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.199
<v Speaker 2>know having to watch yourself back go through those moments is,

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>like really really.

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.679
<v Speaker 1>TOUGH i also think it's hard to because you did

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>know so far in advance that it was just it

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>was such a, large long build up to where it's

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's it's almost difficult not.

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>TO i totally.

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 3>AGREE i feel like it's like a blessing and a

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 3>curse to know that for an, Advance Like joe found

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 3>out his first, season like the day before, that he

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 3>was going yeah and liked to run to the, mall

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 3>AND i feel like that's almost you don't have any

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 3>time to visualize what it's going to be, like to

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>like daydream about best and worst case, scenarios to like

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.719
<v Speaker 3>build your hopes, up to get, anxious and then you

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 3>have all this expectation of pressure when you get down.

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 3>There it's got to feel really.

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Difficult, yeah and it. Was and that was also part

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of the REASON i told YOU i cried When hekeem

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>left BECAUSE i was, LIKE i know HOW i would

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 2>have felt going home after waiting that, long because he

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>had he got asked what's for? You, yeah like that

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>was hard to like, WATCH i knew where he was,

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 2>AT i knew he was going through it, too and

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>it's just, yeah, yeah it was. Tough.

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Mary, Okay so now you you know in your head

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you're you're going. Home you're not getting a. Rose you

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>get a rose in this role is basically. Me now

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you're here for an hour two, weeks like you're not

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>even because now you have, yeah because now you have the.

0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Pot yeah, yeah so now you have the you have the,

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>rows so you're at least staying another full full row

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 1>ceremony two and, YEAH i guess just like it's like

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you get a you get a second. Chance what are

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you thinking.

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>My Second my next thought IS i hope To god

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody THAT i could date comes.

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Down, yeah, yeah well we See leah comes. Down had

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 3>you met her?

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>BEFORE i have Met la. Before leah AND i were

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>actually friends before the, Show.

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 3>No, way before you both went. On you knew each?

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Other, yes before before The bachelor? Franchise?

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no before Before.

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Paradise oh, okay, okay, sorry you guys go away.

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Back, No, NO i.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Knew that's not What i'm assuming you met just because

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 3>you're both out IN la same circles of.

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>People, yeah out of.

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 2>L a different. EVENTS i thought she was, hilarious so

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>we would just we hung. Out it was never one

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>on one, hangouts but we hung out in group settings

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 2>multiple times and she was.

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Great so you're the only guy at that point that

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>would even say yes to a? Date, no and oh hotch?

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 3>On?

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, WELL i mean that's that's basically all we

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>could talk. About because the episode's over and we pretty

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>much covered. Everything we don't know what's going to happen

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>with you by the sounds of. It we'll, see we'll

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>see how it. Goes But, josh thank you so much

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>for taking the time and coming on Bechelor Happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hour thanks for having, me of, course and.

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