Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy Art. I'm John
Speaker 1: and we are here today with Jonathan and Jonathan and
Speaker 1: it's a better Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: How are you? Thanks for having me? How is doing
Speaker 2: doing good?
Speaker 1: Doing good? Another day? Another day in paradise? It how
Speaker 1: we feeling everything everything?
Speaker 2: I was a little anxious to last night's episode, but
Speaker 2: feeling good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You You've had kind of an interesting run so far.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, I guess let's get get into the beginning
Speaker 1: of it all. You when did you find out you
Speaker 1: were like asked on mental all right or something like that.
Speaker 2: I found I found out back in August.
Speaker 1: Okay, And what has that been like as far as dating,
Speaker 1: Like did you even try to date or you just
Speaker 1: like I just I'm I'm committed to going on Paradise,
Speaker 1: So I'm not going I was.
Speaker 2: I was committed. You know. I'm a big proponent of
Speaker 2: like if I say yes it's something, I'm gonna stick
Speaker 2: to that thing, yeah, no matter what comes along. And
Speaker 2: that's just a life thing that specifically relationships or whatever
Speaker 2: it might be. So while I was still open, I
Speaker 2: don't think like mentally I was fully like allowing myself
Speaker 2: to like fall for people that I would go see
Speaker 2: or take out on dates or do whatever it is
Speaker 2: that I was going to do. You know, I had
Speaker 2: this this block called paradise in the back of my
Speaker 2: mind that if I didn't go do this, like I
Speaker 2: would potentially regret it because I said, yes, this was
Speaker 2: I was locked in for about was that nine months?
Speaker 2: Ready to go?
Speaker 1: You can't you you run around a little bit in
Speaker 1: like the Bachelor Circle. You're invited to a lot of
Speaker 1: events in California. Any you know, when you met, like,
Speaker 1: you know, any of the girls from the other seasons,
Speaker 1: was there anything? There was? Everything just friendly.
Speaker 2: I mean most of the girls I meet are dating people,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like in LA I'll hang
Speaker 2: out with Joey and Kelsey, I hang out with Tanner,
Speaker 2: I hang out with Justin. But when I first met
Speaker 2: Justin and was hanging out, he was still a Susie,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like it wasn't necessarily like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm interested in these people, but all the ones that
Speaker 2: like you would potentially be interested in are in relationships.
Speaker 2: So I never looked at it like that. It was
Speaker 2: just like, Oh, I'm gonna make friends with as many
Speaker 2: of these people as I can and genuinely enjoy my
Speaker 2: time with them. So I just didn't cross paths as
Speaker 2: anybody that was in that boat.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't as much like the group of guys
Speaker 3: from your season were hanging out with like a group
Speaker 3: of girls from Joey's season. Okay, that's kind of for
Speaker 3: the best. I feel like when that organically doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I was kind of holding out for
Speaker 2: that too. I was like, I don't want to have
Speaker 2: like a preconceived judgment on people before going in. I
Speaker 2: was like, I want to go in as open minded
Speaker 2: as I can. I did, but I think it kind
Speaker 2: of bit me in the butt a little bit where
Speaker 2: really has So I feel like I should have looked
Speaker 2: into people a little bit more. I don't know if
Speaker 2: my asking of being like, hey, I would love to
Speaker 2: see this person there necessarily would have actually happened m m,
Speaker 2: but there's a chance that it could have. I was
Speaker 2: a little bit more like, hey, I want to see
Speaker 2: this person there, like I needed to have them.
Speaker 1: You're saying telling like production like I will Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: you didn't give any names.
Speaker 2: I mean I did. I said I gave names of
Speaker 2: people that I was attracted to, but I never like
Speaker 2: fully looked at like stocked people, looked into their accounts,
Speaker 2: like talk to them outside of the show. Because I
Speaker 2: knew how much of that bit people in the ass
Speaker 2: previous seasons. I was like, that's not going to be me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: part of me kind of wishes that I did a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: Were there people that did that and it helped them
Speaker 3: once they got down there? Do you think?
Speaker 2: I think so? Actually, all those are pretty organic, you know,
Speaker 2: like Spencer and Jess very organic. Like, I know they'd
Speaker 2: seen each other before, but I don't think they've ever spoken.
Speaker 2: Jeremy and Bailey, like, I don't think that they'd ever
Speaker 2: actually spoken before, but they'd seen each other and it
Speaker 2: worked out great. Yeah Dayalen cat Nope, but again organically met.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What makes you wish that you had done a
Speaker 3: little more research before going on?
Speaker 2: You know, because I think I'm a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a slow burn. Like I wanted to go on
Speaker 2: and treat it very realistically, and it's hard to be
Speaker 2: realistic in an unrealistic environment. I learned it the hard way.
Speaker 2: But when I was trying to be realistic, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: I should have gotten a little bit more of an understanding.
Speaker 2: If I would actually be into this person from a
Speaker 2: mental standpoint and then meet them fiscally in person and
Speaker 2: then go from there.
Speaker 3: I see, because you're a slow barn, you would have
Speaker 3: kind of like helped guide you on the people that
Speaker 3: you I'd have been more compatible with, versus finding out
Speaker 3: down there like, oh, I've just invested my time in
Speaker 3: a few people and now I'm learning that, like maybe
Speaker 3: they're not going to be a fit, Whereas if I'd
Speaker 3: done the research in advance, I could have ruled out
Speaker 3: a few people and focused my attention elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And I don't think there was an immediate
Speaker 2: connection with anybody that I had gotten down there with,
Speaker 2: like Alex and I think a lot of it was
Speaker 2: people on the outside being like, you guys would be
Speaker 2: great together. You guys are gonna be hilarious, like it's
Speaker 2: it's a great match, it's perfect. Well, then to us,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of pressure behind it, and
Speaker 2: for the first few days we're like, hmmmm, this is
Speaker 2: too forced, like naw, we probably shouldn't. And then we're like,
Speaker 2: all right, are we being downb like like are people
Speaker 2: seeing something We're not, so we gave it a shot,
Speaker 2: and you know, like the funniness was there, like if
Speaker 2: if we didn't have like a show and it wasn't
Speaker 2: like cutting between bits like you would just see how adhd.
Speaker 2: The conversations were like we were here, here, here, here,
Speaker 2: and it made less sense than like what was put
Speaker 2: together for everybody to enjoy. But we loved it, you know,
Speaker 2: we had so much fun doing it. I think the
Speaker 2: where things got in the way was she had brought
Speaker 2: up to me. She's like, oh, like, it doesn't feel
Speaker 2: like you're pursuing anybody. So when I heard that, I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try more because
Speaker 2: I actually do enjoy spending time with you. And then
Speaker 2: I think the next day I was being very direct
Speaker 2: at breakfast and I was like, Hey, I'm really into you.
Speaker 2: I feel this way about you. I think you're this,
Speaker 2: I think you're that. And I don't think that she
Speaker 2: had processed it yet, but she was like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: making me uncomfortable. Uncomfortable isn't like it's.
Speaker 1: A lot of let me eat my breakfast man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So it was more like I'm getting a
Speaker 2: lot of love from you and I don't know if
Speaker 2: I I wanted it like.
Speaker 3: This right, like maybe she wanted more from you, but
Speaker 3: then by getting more it kind of made her realize
Speaker 3: she didn't actually have those romantic feelings exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys, did you had you were the
Speaker 1: first to kiss in the tent? Yeah, and that yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it was really awkward that it.
Speaker 2: Was perfectly awkward though, Like it was very much like
Speaker 2: it was very sexy moment for us, but like also
Speaker 2: super awkward. So it was like, yeah, us like it
Speaker 2: needed to happen because we hadn't yet, but it also
Speaker 2: like we couldn't get away from us being us in
Speaker 2: that moment, so it was it was just hilarious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of kissing and a lot of
Speaker 3: yahfing combined, it was.
Speaker 2: And you could tell too, because then other people would
Speaker 2: come in, we'd just get straight into it and it'd
Speaker 2: be fine. But for her and I I don't know
Speaker 2: what it was, but there was this awkward block a
Speaker 2: lot of the time. But it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: she's the cutest person ever, so it's just like the
Speaker 2: most endearing thing.
Speaker 1: Do you think the cameras played a part in that?
Speaker 1: At all. Like if you two would have met at
Speaker 1: a bar in La, do you think it would have
Speaker 1: would still be as awkward or do you think it
Speaker 1: could have been like different?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, it's really hard to to fathom
Speaker 2: that just because that wasn't how it worked out. I
Speaker 2: don't know, even with the camera's there, like she was
Speaker 2: still all over it, like our first conversation where we
Speaker 2: sat down, She's like, yeah, doude it in your armpit and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know, and then she's like
Speaker 1: it's still there. I would be like, damn, well you
Speaker 1: hate me? Now you actually hate me? Okay, So you
Speaker 1: basically you know, like Alex just isn't working out, like
Speaker 1: you guys just aren't compatible, or maybe it's just there's
Speaker 1: just not that like romantic spark. So when that ends,
Speaker 1: where is your head at? And because you get her
Speaker 1: who is the roses? First? The girls?
Speaker 2: And you get one? Then I give her one, and
Speaker 2: then the let's be friends conversation happened that following night
Speaker 2: after the first ceremony.
Speaker 1: Okay, So but when you gave her, when you gave
Speaker 1: her the rose your row, yes, did you kind of
Speaker 1: already know?
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 1: Don't think this is going to work or were you
Speaker 1: still hopeful at that time?
Speaker 2: I think I was still hopeful, you know. I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe this awkward tension will go away at some point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because we did have a lot of fun when we
Speaker 2: sat together and just hung out, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I really feel it with anybody
Speaker 2: else here. Yeah, I want to give this the best
Speaker 2: shot that I can, So whant I give it to
Speaker 2: her again? Yes, still super hopeful.
Speaker 3: On that first day when you got down, there was
Speaker 3: there anyone besides Alex And we see you kind of
Speaker 3: talked to Kat that you were interested in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Kat, Kat, I was attracting through off
Speaker 2: the jump. You know, she's stunning and we had great conversations.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think a lot of the conversations
Speaker 2: we had were shown, but we had really good banter.
Speaker 2: We had really good, just easy conversation. But I also
Speaker 2: knew from the jump when Dale was walking down it
Speaker 2: was I was standing next to her and we're having
Speaker 2: a conversation. Dale comes in and all here is oh
Speaker 2: my god, Dad, and she's like freaking out, and I go, Nope,
Speaker 2: that's it for me. I'm I'm so good. Like Dale
Speaker 2: is six', five, beautiful light skinned. Man i'm, like we're
Speaker 2: we are different. Individuals he's thirty, SIX i am twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight like she's this excited about this, man LIKE i,
Speaker 2: Am i'm. Good like this is no longer going to
Speaker 2: be a. There there's no triangle. Here this is a
Speaker 2: line And i'm looking at their line from a. Distance
Speaker 2: SO i was, Like kat AND i are not going to,
Speaker 2: Happen Like i'm. Not i'm not concerned about. That but
Speaker 2: it was. Fine so like after that moment, TOO i was, Like,
Speaker 2: OKAY i Know cat's not in, it AND i also
Speaker 2: don't you, KNOW i don't want to be like a second.
Speaker 2: Choice you, Know i'd gone through that On gen. SEASON
Speaker 2: i was, Like i'm good and not in a negative,
Speaker 2: way LIKE i just was like in my, MIND i.
Speaker 2: KNEW i was, Like, okay that's. Fine and then outside of,
Speaker 2: that like.
Speaker 1: Not really and you're you're you're basically in a rough
Speaker 1: spot because it's like Super you're just really not that
Speaker 1: into anyone.
Speaker 3: Else do you Think Andrew spencer coming down also played
Speaker 3: a role in the breakup between you And Alex. No, yeah,
Speaker 3: YEAH i MEAN i really seemed like. IT i was just, curious, no, no.
Speaker 2: If anything is solidified the the feelings that she had.
Speaker 2: Presented you, Know i'm watching her hang out with, him
Speaker 2: And i'm hearing the way she's talking about, it because
Speaker 2: her AND i still were like immediate, friends like she
Speaker 2: she friends on, me AND i, WAS i don't, Know
Speaker 2: i'm not a spiteful, Person Like i'm, like, okay that's completely,
Speaker 2: FINE i get, it like no hard, feelings BUT i
Speaker 2: still just enjoyed spending time with, her so we still remained.
Speaker 2: Friends and the way she would talk About andrew in
Speaker 2: the way she just like looked at him in the
Speaker 2: way that they like just had that immediately like we
Speaker 2: didn't have, that And i'm so for you that you.
Speaker 2: Do and it made everything make sense rather than like
Speaker 2: the opposite Where i'm, like, oh this, sucks it was
Speaker 2: NOW i was like, perfect like she's.
Speaker 3: Yeah if, ANYTHING i wonder if like that kind of
Speaker 3: spark she had With andrew maybe just made it clear
Speaker 3: that your guys' relationship was really rooted in a.
Speaker 2: Friendship, yeah, yeah one hundred, Percent and that could have
Speaker 2: been what happened in her head as, well and getting
Speaker 2: to see it like it just it made the whole
Speaker 2: picture just clicked.
Speaker 1: Together, Okay so then there's There's. Jill, Yep jill comes.
Speaker 1: Down what That's how does that?
Speaker 4: Go?
Speaker 2: Well you, KNOW i think going into, IT i had
Speaker 2: Met jill previously once, before and in my, Mind i'm, like,
Speaker 2: OH i see her as just a. Friend, yeah BUT
Speaker 2: i knew when she'd come down. Here she came down
Speaker 2: and she was really she was nervous about being, there
Speaker 2: but also like, excited like as you. Get and she
Speaker 2: just didn't have a connection with. Anybody AND i was,
Speaker 2: like she came, down sat next to me and she started.
Speaker 2: CRYING i was, like, HEY i encourage you to go
Speaker 2: talk to other. People you, KNOW i want to see
Speaker 2: you find a connection with, somebody and if, Not i'll
Speaker 2: go on the date with you as friends and we'll
Speaker 2: have a great time. Regardless and then we go on
Speaker 2: the date and we had a lot of. Fun you.
Speaker 2: Know we had a game that was, Prompting like it
Speaker 2: was a prompted game where it's like kiss a body
Speaker 2: part while you're playing. Twister it's an adult. Twist So i'm, like,
Speaker 2: well we're, Adults like we can kiss in the mouth
Speaker 2: and it's, Fine like whatever we do, cool we have,
Speaker 2: fun get back to what we're. Doing and then at
Speaker 2: the night of that next rose, ceremony and this is
Speaker 2: probably WHERE i misspoke a little bit as well on my,
Speaker 2: end AS i was, like, hey like you made my
Speaker 2: decision a little bit, harder you, KNOW I and in my,
Speaker 2: mind without over, EXPLAINING i was like harder to Choose
Speaker 2: alex because her AND i just had an amazing conversation like,
Speaker 2: deep it was just flowed super, easily AND i was,
Speaker 2: LIKE i, KNOW i still want to give it To,
Speaker 2: alex but she she did make my decision harder because
Speaker 2: NOW i have this to think about of, like, hey
Speaker 2: it's not that, easy but in my, Mind i'm, like
Speaker 2: we're still, friends so like it's. Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah AND i could totally see the miss how the
Speaker 3: miscommunication happened there BECAUSE i could see How jill took,
Speaker 3: it BUT i could also see how you meant it
Speaker 3: of more, like, OH i not in a romantic, way
Speaker 3: but you've developed like care for this, person you spent
Speaker 3: time with, them and like she's hoping for a rose
Speaker 3: from you and you're unfortunately gonna have to like give
Speaker 3: it to someone else and know that you're like letting her,
Speaker 3: down which also probably.
Speaker 2: Sucked, yeah, YEAH i. Did and then it by the
Speaker 2: circumstances that presented themselves to us with Justin lexie And,
Speaker 2: susie she stays and you, KNOW i think after that
Speaker 2: conversation and again slight, miscommunication you, know she's. Hopeful now
Speaker 2: in my, mind you, Know i'm still in this like friend. Mindset,
Speaker 2: Yeah AND.
Speaker 1: I feel like when you get when you're in that,
Speaker 1: mindset it's almost impossible to.
Speaker 2: The breaks, break especially in this environment where you're, Like,
Speaker 2: okay you can see the thing switch for somebody, else
Speaker 2: but it's like it's a, friend so you want to
Speaker 2: let them down in the best easiest. Possible you don't
Speaker 2: want to just be, like, no get out of my,
Speaker 2: face like that's that's not. Me it's first of, all it's,
Speaker 2: mean and nobody. SHOULD i don't need to bring other
Speaker 2: people down to like feel better about a. Situation and
Speaker 2: THEN i re explain pretty much all we just talked,
Speaker 2: about but to her so like the confusion wasn't. There
Speaker 2: and then during that she's, like but you said this and,
Speaker 2: that AND i was, LIKE i understand where you're coming.
Speaker 2: From and THEN i just tried to explain my side
Speaker 2: AND i just wanted to be heard in the. Moment you,
Speaker 2: know it was the hard part BECAUSE i was, like,
Speaker 2: HEY i, KNOW i get, it LIKE i see WHERE
Speaker 2: i messed, up And i'm so. Sorry AND i tried
Speaker 2: to apologize. Twice and then ALL i wanted to do
Speaker 2: is just share share my thoughts and. Opinions and as
Speaker 2: soon as it like didn't feel as IF i was
Speaker 2: like being hurt or even like allowed to have an
Speaker 2: opinion on the, MATTER i started to get a little
Speaker 2: defensive AND i got emotional AND i was, sad AND
Speaker 2: i was, like, damn Like i'm just trying to like
Speaker 2: be a good person. Here, YEAH i THINK i THINK
Speaker 2: i needed to be the asshole in the moment and
Speaker 2: just like let it.
Speaker 1: Go, like you, KNOW i feel, like in my, opinion
Speaker 1: in The paradise, situation that's so expedite. It you almost
Speaker 1: have to be like pretty cutthroat with everything you do down, there.
Speaker 2: You AND I and AGAIN i learned that the hard.
Speaker 2: Way but that's just not, Me LIKE i don't like
Speaker 2: to be cutthroat with. PEOPLE i don't want to like
Speaker 2: tell somebody like No i'm not interested in, you get
Speaker 2: out of my, face.
Speaker 1: Like but, you but you kind of have to like,
Speaker 1: Instantly it's, like as soon as they start, talking you
Speaker 1: have to just be, like not going to.
Speaker 4: Happen so, well you have a different approach on and off,
Speaker 4: Television BUT i can understand what you're saying in the
Speaker 4: sense that you seem to pride yourself on being a nice.
Speaker 3: Person you are a nice, person and you didn't want
Speaker 3: her to leave that conversation thinking that you were an. Asshole,
Speaker 3: UNFORTUNATELY i needed to BE i needed to let her
Speaker 3: think you were an asshole in that.
Speaker 2: Moment, yeah and then' that's where it kept just kind
Speaker 2: of like bestering On and it's, like, dude you should
Speaker 2: have just accepted that in her, eyes you were an
Speaker 2: asshole that night and just let it. Be and IF
Speaker 2: i just did, that then we would have had no weird.
Speaker 2: Problem there would have been no defensive energy on my,
Speaker 2: end and we would have moved on. Fine because the
Speaker 2: next day her AND i were, Good and even before that,
Speaker 2: conversation her AND i were standing there next to each,
Speaker 2: other we were. Good it was literally just that conversation
Speaker 2: that was just like. Tough.
Speaker 3: YEAH i just felt like you guys were stuck in
Speaker 3: a loop for way too, long way.
Speaker 2: Too, long AND i kept repeating myself and it just
Speaker 2: was not, like at no point in it was it
Speaker 2: mean or anything, like there was no mean words. Exchanged
Speaker 2: she cut me off a little, bit but like it.
Speaker 3: Is what it, is like you, yeah, YEAH i became
Speaker 3: a heat of. Conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah well. Yeah outside commentary didn't help. Either watching it,
Speaker 2: back people are, like, oh get the pop like we'or
Speaker 2: and it made it seem like it was a huge.
Speaker 2: Deal we're, LIKE i. DIDN'T i didn't know all that
Speaker 2: was going, on but.
Speaker 1: He caught up in the.
Speaker 3: Moment but then moving forward from, that you And jil
Speaker 3: moved forward as friends in a good.
Speaker 2: Place we, yeah we were. FINE i don't know if
Speaker 2: we were great anymore after, that but we were we were.
Speaker 1: Fine Friendly, yeah friendly.
Speaker 2: Enough we were friendly. Enough we still cracked jokes at
Speaker 2: one another here and, there like we ended up becoming, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay so now we roll into this current week and
Speaker 1: you're kind of solo at this. Point what is you?
Speaker 1: Know IF i were, you it's it seemed and it
Speaker 1: seemed that way from like your demeanor was kind of, like,
Speaker 1: yeah Like i'm just gonna enjoy the rest of this time.
Speaker 1: Here But i'm going home Like i'm not going to
Speaker 1: get a. Row at least that's what it seems. Like
Speaker 1: is there anyone that you're hoping potentially gets dropped on the, Beach,
Speaker 1: like is there any girl that you know from from
Speaker 1: the bets or franchise that you're, like if if this
Speaker 1: girl gets, dropped MAYBE i have a chance gets.
Speaker 2: Dropped THAT i have a. Chance, NO i know there,
Speaker 2: was and it's it's a crazy. ORDEAL i think of
Speaker 2: the women That i've seen That i'm attracted, to you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i Think mercedes is absolutely. BEAUTIFUL i don't know
Speaker 2: if you, know, yeah you know she. IS i Think
Speaker 2: dina From Grand season is beautiful.
Speaker 1: Too, well she could have Been dina could have definitely been.
Speaker 2: There but other than, that like you, know looking back
Speaker 2: ON i was, LIKE i don't.
Speaker 1: Know, Right.
Speaker 3: So you're looking at your options for like two hours
Speaker 3: till the rows cermon and we see there's a riff
Speaker 3: With cat And dale that you're kind of, like let,
Speaker 3: me MAYBE i can wiggle may way in. Here and
Speaker 3: then you've got some of the, Goldens.
Speaker 1: April april in, particular.
Speaker 3: Paying you some special attention.
Speaker 2: Because at that, point LIKE i genuinely wanted to like go,
Speaker 2: home which is, Insane like after my conversation With, jill
Speaker 2: LIKE i went back to my room AND i literally
Speaker 2: cried by myself AND i was, LIKE i JUST i
Speaker 2: just want to go, Home like nobody's for me. Anymore
Speaker 2: it's it's time for me to. Leave and THEN i
Speaker 2: didn't realize that the opportunity With kat was even. There
Speaker 2: LIKE i wasn't trying For cat's. ROSE i wasn't trying
Speaker 2: For april's. ROSE i just wanted to enjoy my last
Speaker 2: night with the PEOPLE i enjoy spending time. With and
Speaker 2: LIKE i, Said cat AND i became friends and we
Speaker 2: had great mans and we had great. CONVERSATIONS i was
Speaker 2: just trying to be there through a difficult situation With.
Speaker 3: Dale it did seem like you were kind of sliding
Speaker 3: in on cattle of it. THOUGH i, mean you did
Speaker 3: walk over with two glasses of champagne and you're, roseless
Speaker 3: and you have expressed interest in. HER i, Mean i'm
Speaker 3: assuming you wouldn't have turned down her rose if things
Speaker 3: went that.
Speaker 2: Way, NO i wouldn't have turned it down by any.
Speaker 2: Means but it also wasn't like SOMETHING i was vying,
Speaker 2: for LIKE i, said like WHEN i saw the way
Speaker 2: she reacted To dale being, THERE i was, Like i'm,
Speaker 2: okay you, know so like this moving, forward like this
Speaker 2: is literally just she was there AND i wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure she was, Okay like it wasn't anything deeper than.
Speaker 1: That if she if she got like if her fight
Speaker 1: With dell was relationship ending at that point and you
Speaker 1: did get Her, rose do you think there was anything there?
Speaker 1: Romantically would you have or would have just strictly been
Speaker 1: like platonic friendship at that point or would you have
Speaker 1: tried to see where things would go With?
Speaker 2: KAT i THINK i would have been open minded about,
Speaker 2: It but, again LIKE i don't, KNOW i don't. Know,
Speaker 2: yeah it's hard to like think back on Because i'm
Speaker 2: like in my, mind like, AGAIN i wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: be the second. Choice it's, like, oh you had to
Speaker 2: find out that didn't work to realize that you wanted
Speaker 2: to be with. Me, yeah and that's just like not
Speaker 2: a POSITION i wanted to put myself.
Speaker 1: In, No but in the same breath it is also
Speaker 1: LIKE i agree with, you like no one wants no
Speaker 1: one wants to be, like OH i want to be second,
Speaker 1: Choice but in this simulation it is kind of could
Speaker 1: be part of, it like second choices could actually work
Speaker 1: out because everything is so expedited and people sometimes just
Speaker 1: react and go one way and don't realize, like, hey
Speaker 1: like maybe this person is actually maybe my person was
Speaker 1: Actually jonathan Not. Dale, yeah BUT i don't.
Speaker 2: Know, YEAH i guess MAYBE i just be an open Minded.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was one of those things where she was
Speaker 2: reassuring the, fact, like, HEY i actually do really really like,
Speaker 2: you AND i know you wouldn't do whatever to. Me
Speaker 2: like then sure made but.
Speaker 1: Okay so then So, april, now were you you look truly?
Speaker 1: Shocked were you truly?
Speaker 3: SHOCKED i was truly shocked Watching i'm gonna be so.
Speaker 1: Honest oh, SEE i thought watching, IT i was, Like
Speaker 1: april's definitely gonna Give jonathan the.
Speaker 3: ROSE i, didn't AND, i, well, A i didn't know
Speaker 3: If golden's were allowed to give roses to non Golden
Speaker 3: it was very, unclear AND i just kind of assumed
Speaker 3: that probably wasn't a thing that was going to, happen
Speaker 3: at least this early. On and she made out With,
Speaker 3: jack SO i was, like you, know that seems like
Speaker 3: a thing that's going, On and, honestly JUST i was,
Speaker 3: Like jonathan gave it like a ten out of ten,
Speaker 3: effort BUT i think he's going.
Speaker 1: Home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the thing was IS i didn't even try With,
Speaker 2: April LIKE i wasn't trying for a. Rose that night
Speaker 2: of The rose, Ceremony leslie had came and pulled me
Speaker 2: for a chat and she was, like, hey can we?
Speaker 2: Talk AND i was like it was, random like, yeah,
Speaker 2: YEAH i. Guess so we have a super nice. Chat
Speaker 2: she's being like super, reassuring being super, sweet And i'm, like,
Speaker 2: oh this is, nice like. Whatever she's, like, oh you
Speaker 2: think you're gonna go for. Anyone i'm, like, no tonight's my,
Speaker 2: Night Like i'm going home And i'm trying to enjoy
Speaker 2: it the best THAT i. Can did that our conversation.
Speaker 2: Ends it was really sweet as EVERYTHING i need in
Speaker 2: that moment. Too and Then april also comes and pulls
Speaker 2: me for a chat and she's, like, hey how's your night?
Speaker 2: Going Like leslie like filled me in on blah blah,
Speaker 2: blah how are you? Feeling how you doing and pretty
Speaker 2: much repeated the same. THING i was, LIKE i know
Speaker 2: it's gonna be my last, night Like i'm just enjoying
Speaker 2: my time with everybody having a good. TIME i don't
Speaker 2: think anybody hears for. Me and she's, LIKE i don't
Speaker 2: know how nobody hears like pursuing, you like you seem
Speaker 2: like a, catch And i'm, LIKE i think it's a
Speaker 2: it's a it's a, balancing LIKE i don't Think i'm
Speaker 2: pursuing people BECAUSE i may not be interested in, somebody
Speaker 2: AND i think vice. Versa you, know it's not like
Speaker 2: a this side or this side. KIND i think.
Speaker 1: It's not JUST i, mean it's just not.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, Exactly, yeah it's just not there for. Me
Speaker 2: it's not it has nothing to do with the girls
Speaker 2: here and not being into. ME i think it's a mixed,
Speaker 2: thing like they're not going to pursue somebody that they
Speaker 2: feel is not into them, back you. Know AND i
Speaker 2: was just, like, no, like it's just it is what it,
Speaker 2: is LIKE i don't think my person's, here and she's, like,
Speaker 2: well like IF i was, younger LIKE i would go for,
Speaker 2: you blah blah, blah and just being so, sweet so
Speaker 2: reassuring about it, all and then we move on with our.
Speaker 2: Night i'm, like, damn that was really nice of, Her
Speaker 2: like she was she was, Great and THEN i just have.
Speaker 2: FUN i hang out with the, GUYS i hang out
Speaker 2: with the, girls having, drinks having a good. Time i'm
Speaker 2: Assuming i'm going home by the time ceremony. Happens you,
Speaker 2: know everybody our age gets the. Roses And i'm, Like
Speaker 2: i'm smiling like an idiot Because i'm happy for my.
Speaker 2: Friends i'm, like, yes like everybody's, Good like they all
Speaker 2: seem like they're in a relatively good. Place And i'm
Speaker 2: watching The goldens, again just smiling because it's their first ceremony.
Speaker 2: Too and then she calls my name And i'm like.
Speaker 2: Me she's like, you And i'm like, no, no, no not,
Speaker 2: me and she's, like my bags. Packed my bag was.
Speaker 2: PACKED i was so ready and calls me down And
Speaker 2: i'm like no, way and she's just saying all these
Speaker 2: like really, nice sweet. Things and for somebody who was
Speaker 2: in a really anxious spot during, filming like it was
Speaker 2: just like the kindest. Moment AND i keep telling anybody
Speaker 2: that asked, me, like what was it like having with gold,
Speaker 2: Down like The golden saved paradise for. Me AND i
Speaker 2: was in such an anxious, place like the weight of
Speaker 2: the world and my shoulders coming, in you, know there's
Speaker 2: a lot of positive energy behind me going into. It
Speaker 2: but like with, THAT i put a lot of pressure
Speaker 2: on myself to be a certain, way to act a certain,
Speaker 2: way and to like find somebody and give it like
Speaker 2: a real. Shot that in doing, SO i didn't act
Speaker 2: like myself throughout a lot of. It and it's a
Speaker 2: really hard thing to watch back when you're not in
Speaker 2: like your best, place you, Know like WHEN i was In,
Speaker 2: BASTRO i was an amazing. MOOD i was having a great.
Speaker 2: Time it was just a new, experience and THEN i
Speaker 2: come on this And i'm watching it, Back i'm, Like,
Speaker 2: wow you were really just like in your, head and you,
Speaker 2: know having to watch yourself back go through those moments is,
Speaker 2: like really really.
Speaker 1: TOUGH i also think it's hard to because you did
Speaker 1: know so far in advance that it was just it
Speaker 1: was such a, large long build up to where it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's it's almost difficult not.
Speaker 2: TO i totally.
Speaker 3: AGREE i feel like it's like a blessing and a
Speaker 3: curse to know that for an, Advance Like joe found
Speaker 3: out his first, season like the day before, that he
Speaker 3: was going yeah and liked to run to the, mall
Speaker 3: AND i feel like that's almost you don't have any
Speaker 3: time to visualize what it's going to be, like to
Speaker 3: like daydream about best and worst case, scenarios to like
Speaker 3: build your hopes, up to get, anxious and then you
Speaker 3: have all this expectation of pressure when you get down.
Speaker 3: There it's got to feel really.
Speaker 2: Difficult, yeah and it. Was and that was also part
Speaker 2: of the REASON i told YOU i cried When hekeem
Speaker 2: left BECAUSE i was, LIKE i know HOW i would
Speaker 2: have felt going home after waiting that, long because he
Speaker 2: had he got asked what's for? You, yeah like that
Speaker 2: was hard to like, WATCH i knew where he was,
Speaker 2: AT i knew he was going through it, too and
Speaker 2: it's just, yeah, yeah it was. Tough.
Speaker 1: Mary, Okay so now you you know in your head
Speaker 1: you're you're going. Home you're not getting a. Rose you
Speaker 1: get a rose in this role is basically. Me now
Speaker 1: you're here for an hour two, weeks like you're not
Speaker 1: even because now you have, yeah because now you have the.
Speaker 1: Pot yeah, yeah so now you have the you have the,
Speaker 1: rows so you're at least staying another full full row
Speaker 1: ceremony two and, YEAH i guess just like it's like
Speaker 1: you get a you get a second. Chance what are
Speaker 1: you thinking.
Speaker 2: My Second my next thought IS i hope To god
Speaker 2: somebody THAT i could date comes.
Speaker 3: Down, yeah, yeah well we See leah comes. Down had
Speaker 3: you met her?
Speaker 2: BEFORE i have Met la. Before leah AND i were
Speaker 2: actually friends before the, Show.
Speaker 3: No, way before you both went. On you knew each?
Speaker 1: Other, yes before before The bachelor? Franchise?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no before Before.
Speaker 3: Paradise oh, okay, okay, sorry you guys go away.
Speaker 2: Back, No, NO i.
Speaker 3: Knew that's not What i'm assuming you met just because
Speaker 3: you're both out IN la same circles of.
Speaker 1: People, yeah out of.
Speaker 2: L a different. EVENTS i thought she was, hilarious so
Speaker 2: we would just we hung. Out it was never one
Speaker 2: on one, hangouts but we hung out in group settings
Speaker 2: multiple times and she was.
Speaker 1: Great so you're the only guy at that point that
Speaker 1: would even say yes to a? Date, no and oh hotch?
Speaker 3: On?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, WELL i mean that's that's basically all we
Speaker 1: could talk. About because the episode's over and we pretty
Speaker 1: much covered. Everything we don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with you by the sounds of. It we'll, see we'll
Speaker 1: see how it. Goes But, josh thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking the time and coming on Bechelor Happy.
Speaker 2: Hour thanks for having, me of, course and.
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