1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy Art. I'm John 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: and we are here today with Jonathan and Jonathan and 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: it's a better Happy Hour. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: How are you? Thanks for having me? How is doing 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: doing good? 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Doing good? Another day? Another day in paradise? It how 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: we feeling everything everything? 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: I was a little anxious to last night's episode, but 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: feeling good. Yeah. 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: You You've had kind of an interesting run so far. 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: Let's uh, I guess let's get get into the beginning 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: of it all. You when did you find out you 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: were like asked on mental all right or something like that. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: I found I found out back in August. 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: Okay, And what has that been like as far as dating, 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: Like did you even try to date or you just 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: like I just I'm I'm committed to going on Paradise, 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: So I'm not going I was. 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: I was committed. You know. I'm a big proponent of 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: like if I say yes it's something, I'm gonna stick 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: to that thing, yeah, no matter what comes along. And 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: that's just a life thing that specifically relationships or whatever 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: it might be. So while I was still open, I 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: don't think like mentally I was fully like allowing myself 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: to like fall for people that I would go see 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: or take out on dates or do whatever it is 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: that I was going to do. You know, I had 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: this this block called paradise in the back of my 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: mind that if I didn't go do this, like I 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: would potentially regret it because I said, yes, this was 31 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: I was locked in for about was that nine months? 32 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: Ready to go? 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: You can't you you run around a little bit in 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: like the Bachelor Circle. You're invited to a lot of 35 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: events in California. Any you know, when you met, like, 36 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, any of the girls from the other seasons, 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: was there anything? There was? Everything just friendly. 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: I mean most of the girls I meet are dating people, 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like in LA I'll hang 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: out with Joey and Kelsey, I hang out with Tanner, 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: I hang out with Justin. But when I first met 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: Justin and was hanging out, he was still a Susie, 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So like it wasn't necessarily like, oh, 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm interested in these people, but all the ones that 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: like you would potentially be interested in are in relationships. 46 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: So I never looked at it like that. It was 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: just like, Oh, I'm gonna make friends with as many 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: of these people as I can and genuinely enjoy my 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: time with them. So I just didn't cross paths as 50 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: anybody that was in that boat. 51 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: So it wasn't as much like the group of guys 52 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 3: from your season were hanging out with like a group 53 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: of girls from Joey's season. Okay, that's kind of for 54 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: the best. I feel like when that organically doesn't happen. 55 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I was kind of holding out for 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: that too. I was like, I don't want to have 57 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: like a preconceived judgment on people before going in. I 58 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: was like, I want to go in as open minded 59 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 2: as I can. I did, but I think it kind 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: of bit me in the butt a little bit where 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: really has So I feel like I should have looked 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: into people a little bit more. I don't know if 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: my asking of being like, hey, I would love to 64 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: see this person there necessarily would have actually happened m m, 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: but there's a chance that it could have. I was 66 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: a little bit more like, hey, I want to see 67 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: this person there, like I needed to have them. 68 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: You're saying telling like production like I will Yeah, Okay, 69 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: you didn't give any names. 70 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: I mean I did. I said I gave names of 71 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: people that I was attracted to, but I never like 72 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: fully looked at like stocked people, looked into their accounts, 73 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: like talk to them outside of the show. Because I 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: knew how much of that bit people in the ass 75 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: previous seasons. I was like, that's not going to be me. Yeah, yeah, 76 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: part of me kind of wishes that I did a 77 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: little bit. 78 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: Were there people that did that and it helped them 79 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: once they got down there? Do you think? 80 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: I think so? Actually, all those are pretty organic, you know, 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: like Spencer and Jess very organic. Like, I know they'd 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: seen each other before, but I don't think they've ever spoken. 83 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: Jeremy and Bailey, like, I don't think that they'd ever 84 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: actually spoken before, but they'd seen each other and it 85 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: worked out great. Yeah Dayalen cat Nope, but again organically met. 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. What makes you wish that you had done a 87 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: little more research before going on? 88 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: You know, because I think I'm a little bit more 89 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: of a slow burn. Like I wanted to go on 90 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: and treat it very realistically, and it's hard to be 91 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: realistic in an unrealistic environment. I learned it the hard way. 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: But when I was trying to be realistic, I'm like, wait, 93 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: I should have gotten a little bit more of an understanding. 94 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: If I would actually be into this person from a 95 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: mental standpoint and then meet them fiscally in person and 96 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: then go from there. 97 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: I see, because you're a slow barn, you would have 98 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: kind of like helped guide you on the people that 99 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: you I'd have been more compatible with, versus finding out 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: down there like, oh, I've just invested my time in 101 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: a few people and now I'm learning that, like maybe 102 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: they're not going to be a fit, Whereas if I'd 103 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: done the research in advance, I could have ruled out 104 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: a few people and focused my attention elsewhere. 105 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And I don't think there was an immediate 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: connection with anybody that I had gotten down there with, 107 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: like Alex and I think a lot of it was 108 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: people on the outside being like, you guys would be 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: great together. You guys are gonna be hilarious, like it's 110 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: it's a great match, it's perfect. Well, then to us, 111 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of pressure behind it, and 112 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: for the first few days we're like, hmmmm, this is 113 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: too forced, like naw, we probably shouldn't. And then we're like, 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: all right, are we being downb like like are people 115 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: seeing something We're not, so we gave it a shot, 116 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: and you know, like the funniness was there, like if 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: if we didn't have like a show and it wasn't 118 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: like cutting between bits like you would just see how adhd. 119 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: The conversations were like we were here, here, here, here, 120 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: and it made less sense than like what was put 121 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: together for everybody to enjoy. But we loved it, you know, 122 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: we had so much fun doing it. I think the 123 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: where things got in the way was she had brought 124 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: up to me. She's like, oh, like, it doesn't feel 125 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: like you're pursuing anybody. So when I heard that, I 126 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try more because 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: I actually do enjoy spending time with you. And then 128 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: I think the next day I was being very direct 129 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: at breakfast and I was like, Hey, I'm really into you. 130 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: I feel this way about you. I think you're this, 131 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: I think you're that. And I don't think that she 132 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: had processed it yet, but she was like, oh, it's 133 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: making me uncomfortable. Uncomfortable isn't like it's. 134 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: A lot of let me eat my breakfast man. 135 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So it was more like I'm getting a 136 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: lot of love from you and I don't know if 137 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: I I wanted it like. 138 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: This right, like maybe she wanted more from you, but 139 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: then by getting more it kind of made her realize 140 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: she didn't actually have those romantic feelings exactly exactly. 141 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys, did you had you were the 142 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: first to kiss in the tent? Yeah, and that yeah, 143 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: that was it was really awkward that it. 144 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: Was perfectly awkward though, Like it was very much like 145 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: it was very sexy moment for us, but like also 146 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: super awkward. So it was like, yeah, us like it 147 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: needed to happen because we hadn't yet, but it also 148 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: like we couldn't get away from us being us in 149 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: that moment, so it was it was just hilarious. 150 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of kissing and a lot of 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: yahfing combined, it was. 152 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: And you could tell too, because then other people would 153 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: come in, we'd just get straight into it and it'd 154 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: be fine. But for her and I I don't know 155 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: what it was, but there was this awkward block a 156 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: lot of the time. But it was like, I don't know, 157 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: she's the cutest person ever, so it's just like the 158 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: most endearing thing. 159 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Do you think the cameras played a part in that? 160 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: At all. Like if you two would have met at 161 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: a bar in La, do you think it would have 162 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: would still be as awkward or do you think it 163 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: could have been like different? 164 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, it's really hard to to fathom 165 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: that just because that wasn't how it worked out. I 166 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: don't know, even with the camera's there, like she was 167 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: still all over it, like our first conversation where we 168 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: sat down, She's like, yeah, doude it in your armpit and. 169 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know, and then she's like 170 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: it's still there. I would be like, damn, well you 171 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: hate me? Now you actually hate me? Okay, So you 172 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: basically you know, like Alex just isn't working out, like 173 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: you guys just aren't compatible, or maybe it's just there's 174 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: just not that like romantic spark. So when that ends, 175 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: where is your head at? And because you get her 176 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: who is the roses? First? The girls? 177 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: And you get one? Then I give her one, and 178 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: then the let's be friends conversation happened that following night 179 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: after the first ceremony. 180 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So but when you gave her, when you gave 181 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: her the rose your row, yes, did you kind of 182 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: already know? 183 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: It was like. 184 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: Don't think this is going to work or were you 185 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: still hopeful at that time? 186 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: I think I was still hopeful, you know. I was like, 187 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: maybe this awkward tension will go away at some point. Yeah, 188 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: because we did have a lot of fun when we 189 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: sat together and just hung out, and I was like, 190 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if I really feel it with anybody 191 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: else here. Yeah, I want to give this the best 192 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: shot that I can, So whant I give it to 193 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: her again? Yes, still super hopeful. 194 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: On that first day when you got down, there was 195 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: there anyone besides Alex And we see you kind of 196 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: talked to Kat that you were interested in. 197 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Kat, Kat, I was attracting through off 198 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: the jump. You know, she's stunning and we had great conversations. 199 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think a lot of the conversations 200 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 2: we had were shown, but we had really good banter. 201 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: We had really good, just easy conversation. But I also 202 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: knew from the jump when Dale was walking down it 203 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: was I was standing next to her and we're having 204 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: a conversation. Dale comes in and all here is oh 205 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: my god, Dad, and she's like freaking out, and I go, Nope, 206 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: that's it for me. I'm I'm so good. Like Dale 207 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: is six', five, beautiful light skinned. Man i'm, like we're 208 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: we are different. Individuals he's thirty, SIX i am twenty. 209 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: Eight like she's this excited about this, man LIKE i, 210 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: Am i'm. Good like this is no longer going to 211 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: be a. There there's no triangle. Here this is a 212 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: line And i'm looking at their line from a. Distance 213 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: SO i was, Like kat AND i are not going to, 214 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: Happen Like i'm. Not i'm not concerned about. That but 215 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: it was. Fine so like after that moment, TOO i was, Like, 216 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: OKAY i Know cat's not in, it AND i also 217 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: don't you, KNOW i don't want to be like a second. 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: Choice you, Know i'd gone through that On gen. SEASON 219 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: i was, Like i'm good and not in a negative, 220 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 2: way LIKE i just was like in my, MIND i. 221 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: KNEW i was, Like, okay that's. Fine and then outside of, 222 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: that like. 223 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Not really and you're you're you're basically in a rough 224 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: spot because it's like Super you're just really not that 225 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: into anyone. 226 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: Else do you Think Andrew spencer coming down also played 227 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: a role in the breakup between you And Alex. No, yeah, 228 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: YEAH i MEAN i really seemed like. IT i was just, curious, no, no. 229 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: If anything is solidified the the feelings that she had. 230 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: Presented you, Know i'm watching her hang out with, him 231 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: And i'm hearing the way she's talking about, it because 232 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: her AND i still were like immediate, friends like she 233 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: she friends on, me AND i, WAS i don't, Know 234 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: i'm not a spiteful, Person Like i'm, like, okay that's completely, 235 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: FINE i get, it like no hard, feelings BUT i 236 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: still just enjoyed spending time with, her so we still remained. 237 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: Friends and the way she would talk About andrew in 238 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: the way she just like looked at him in the 239 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 2: way that they like just had that immediately like we 240 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: didn't have, that And i'm so for you that you. 241 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: Do and it made everything make sense rather than like 242 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: the opposite Where i'm, like, oh this, sucks it was 243 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: NOW i was like, perfect like she's. 244 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah if, ANYTHING i wonder if like that kind of 245 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: spark she had With andrew maybe just made it clear 246 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: that your guys' relationship was really rooted in a. 247 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: Friendship, yeah, yeah one hundred, Percent and that could have 248 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: been what happened in her head as, well and getting 249 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: to see it like it just it made the whole 250 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: picture just clicked. 251 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Together, Okay so then there's There's. Jill, Yep jill comes. 252 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Down what That's how does that? 253 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: Go? 254 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: Well you, KNOW i think going into, IT i had 255 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: Met jill previously once, before and in my, Mind i'm, like, 256 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: OH i see her as just a. Friend, yeah BUT 257 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 2: i knew when she'd come down. Here she came down 258 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: and she was really she was nervous about being, there 259 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: but also like, excited like as you. Get and she 260 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: just didn't have a connection with. Anybody AND i was, 261 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: like she came, down sat next to me and she started. 262 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: CRYING i was, like, HEY i encourage you to go 263 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: talk to other. People you, KNOW i want to see 264 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: you find a connection with, somebody and if, Not i'll 265 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: go on the date with you as friends and we'll 266 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: have a great time. Regardless and then we go on 267 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: the date and we had a lot of. Fun you. 268 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: Know we had a game that was, Prompting like it 269 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: was a prompted game where it's like kiss a body 270 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: part while you're playing. Twister it's an adult. Twist So i'm, like, 271 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: well we're, Adults like we can kiss in the mouth 272 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: and it's, Fine like whatever we do, cool we have, 273 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: fun get back to what we're. Doing and then at 274 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: the night of that next rose, ceremony and this is 275 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: probably WHERE i misspoke a little bit as well on my, 276 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: end AS i was, like, hey like you made my 277 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: decision a little bit, harder you, KNOW I and in my, 278 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: mind without over, EXPLAINING i was like harder to Choose 279 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: alex because her AND i just had an amazing conversation like, 280 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: deep it was just flowed super, easily AND i was, 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: LIKE i, KNOW i still want to give it To, 282 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: alex but she she did make my decision harder because 283 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: NOW i have this to think about of, like, hey 284 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: it's not that, easy but in my, Mind i'm, like 285 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: we're still, friends so like it's. Okay. 286 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah AND i could totally see the miss how the 287 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: miscommunication happened there BECAUSE i could see How jill took, 288 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: it BUT i could also see how you meant it 289 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: of more, like, OH i not in a romantic, way 290 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: but you've developed like care for this, person you spent 291 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: time with, them and like she's hoping for a rose 292 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: from you and you're unfortunately gonna have to like give 293 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: it to someone else and know that you're like letting her, 294 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: down which also probably. 295 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: Sucked, yeah, YEAH i. Did and then it by the 296 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: circumstances that presented themselves to us with Justin lexie And, 297 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: susie she stays and you, KNOW i think after that 298 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: conversation and again slight, miscommunication you, know she's. Hopeful now 299 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: in my, mind you, Know i'm still in this like friend. Mindset, 300 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah AND. 301 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: I feel like when you get when you're in that, 302 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: mindset it's almost impossible to. 303 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: The breaks, break especially in this environment where you're, Like, 304 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: okay you can see the thing switch for somebody, else 305 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: but it's like it's a, friend so you want to 306 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: let them down in the best easiest. Possible you don't 307 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: want to just be, like, no get out of my, 308 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: face like that's that's not. Me it's first of, all it's, 309 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: mean and nobody. SHOULD i don't need to bring other 310 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: people down to like feel better about a. Situation and 311 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: THEN i re explain pretty much all we just talked, 312 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: about but to her so like the confusion wasn't. There 313 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: and then during that she's, like but you said this and, 314 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: that AND i was, LIKE i understand where you're coming. 315 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: From and THEN i just tried to explain my side 316 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: AND i just wanted to be heard in the. Moment you, 317 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: know it was the hard part BECAUSE i was, like, 318 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: HEY i, KNOW i get, it LIKE i see WHERE 319 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: i messed, up And i'm so. Sorry AND i tried 320 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: to apologize. Twice and then ALL i wanted to do 321 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: is just share share my thoughts and. Opinions and as 322 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: soon as it like didn't feel as IF i was 323 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: like being hurt or even like allowed to have an 324 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: opinion on the, MATTER i started to get a little 325 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: defensive AND i got emotional AND i was, sad AND 326 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: i was, like, damn Like i'm just trying to like 327 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: be a good person. Here, YEAH i THINK i THINK 328 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: i needed to be the asshole in the moment and 329 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: just like let it. 330 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Go, like you, KNOW i feel, like in my, opinion 331 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: in The paradise, situation that's so expedite. It you almost 332 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: have to be like pretty cutthroat with everything you do down, there. 333 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: You AND I and AGAIN i learned that the hard. 334 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: Way but that's just not, Me LIKE i don't like 335 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: to be cutthroat with. PEOPLE i don't want to like 336 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: tell somebody like No i'm not interested in, you get 337 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: out of my, face. 338 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: Like but, you but you kind of have to like, 339 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Instantly it's, like as soon as they start, talking you 340 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: have to just be, like not going to. 341 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 4: Happen so, well you have a different approach on and off, 342 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 4: Television BUT i can understand what you're saying in the 343 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: sense that you seem to pride yourself on being a nice. 344 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: Person you are a nice, person and you didn't want 345 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: her to leave that conversation thinking that you were an. Asshole, 346 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: UNFORTUNATELY i needed to BE i needed to let her 347 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 3: think you were an asshole in that. 348 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: Moment, yeah and then' that's where it kept just kind 349 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 2: of like bestering On and it's, like, dude you should 350 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: have just accepted that in her, eyes you were an 351 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: asshole that night and just let it. Be and IF 352 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: i just did, that then we would have had no weird. 353 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: Problem there would have been no defensive energy on my, 354 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: end and we would have moved on. Fine because the 355 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: next day her AND i were, Good and even before that, 356 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: conversation her AND i were standing there next to each, 357 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: other we were. Good it was literally just that conversation 358 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: that was just like. Tough. 359 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 3: YEAH i just felt like you guys were stuck in 360 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: a loop for way too, long way. 361 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: Too, long AND i kept repeating myself and it just 362 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: was not, like at no point in it was it 363 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: mean or anything, like there was no mean words. Exchanged 364 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: she cut me off a little, bit but like it. 365 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: Is what it, is like you, yeah, YEAH i became 366 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: a heat of. Conversation. 367 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah well. Yeah outside commentary didn't help. Either watching it, 368 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: back people are, like, oh get the pop like we'or 369 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: and it made it seem like it was a huge. 370 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: Deal we're, LIKE i. DIDN'T i didn't know all that 371 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: was going, on but. 372 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: He caught up in the. 373 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: Moment but then moving forward from, that you And jil 374 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: moved forward as friends in a good. 375 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: Place we, yeah we were. FINE i don't know if 376 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: we were great anymore after, that but we were we were. 377 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Fine Friendly, yeah friendly. 378 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: Enough we were friendly. Enough we still cracked jokes at 379 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: one another here and, there like we ended up becoming, okay. 380 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Okay so now we roll into this current week and 381 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: you're kind of solo at this. Point what is you? 382 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: Know IF i were, you it's it seemed and it 383 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: seemed that way from like your demeanor was kind of, like, 384 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: yeah Like i'm just gonna enjoy the rest of this time. 385 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Here But i'm going home Like i'm not going to 386 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: get a. Row at least that's what it seems. Like 387 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: is there anyone that you're hoping potentially gets dropped on the, Beach, 388 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: like is there any girl that you know from from 389 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: the bets or franchise that you're, like if if this 390 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: girl gets, dropped MAYBE i have a chance gets. 391 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: Dropped THAT i have a. Chance, NO i know there, 392 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: was and it's it's a crazy. ORDEAL i think of 393 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: the women That i've seen That i'm attracted, to you, 394 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: KNOW i Think mercedes is absolutely. BEAUTIFUL i don't know 395 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: if you, know, yeah you know she. IS i Think 396 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: dina From Grand season is beautiful. 397 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: Too, well she could have Been dina could have definitely been. 398 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: There but other than, that like you, know looking back 399 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: ON i was, LIKE i don't. 400 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: Know, Right. 401 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: So you're looking at your options for like two hours 402 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: till the rows cermon and we see there's a riff 403 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: With cat And dale that you're kind of, like let, 404 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 3: me MAYBE i can wiggle may way in. Here and 405 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: then you've got some of the, Goldens. 406 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: April april in, particular. 407 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 3: Paying you some special attention. 408 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: Because at that, point LIKE i genuinely wanted to like go, 409 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: home which is, Insane like after my conversation With, jill 410 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: LIKE i went back to my room AND i literally 411 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: cried by myself AND i was, LIKE i JUST i 412 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: just want to go, Home like nobody's for me. Anymore 413 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: it's it's time for me to. Leave and THEN i 414 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: didn't realize that the opportunity With kat was even. There 415 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: LIKE i wasn't trying For cat's. ROSE i wasn't trying 416 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: For april's. ROSE i just wanted to enjoy my last 417 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: night with the PEOPLE i enjoy spending time. With and 418 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: LIKE i, Said cat AND i became friends and we 419 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 2: had great mans and we had great. CONVERSATIONS i was 420 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: just trying to be there through a difficult situation With. 421 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: Dale it did seem like you were kind of sliding 422 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: in on cattle of it. THOUGH i, mean you did 423 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 3: walk over with two glasses of champagne and you're, roseless 424 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: and you have expressed interest in. HER i, Mean i'm 425 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 3: assuming you wouldn't have turned down her rose if things 426 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: went that. 427 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: Way, NO i wouldn't have turned it down by any. 428 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: Means but it also wasn't like SOMETHING i was vying, 429 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: for LIKE i, said like WHEN i saw the way 430 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: she reacted To dale being, THERE i was, Like i'm, 431 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 2: okay you, know so like this moving, forward like this 432 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: is literally just she was there AND i wanted to 433 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: make sure she was, Okay like it wasn't anything deeper than. 434 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: That if she if she got like if her fight 435 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: With dell was relationship ending at that point and you 436 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: did get Her, rose do you think there was anything there? 437 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: Romantically would you have or would have just strictly been 438 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: like platonic friendship at that point or would you have 439 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: tried to see where things would go With? 440 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: KAT i THINK i would have been open minded about, 441 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: It but, again LIKE i don't, KNOW i don't. Know, 442 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 2: yeah it's hard to like think back on Because i'm 443 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: like in my, mind like, AGAIN i wouldn't want to 444 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: be the second. Choice it's, like, oh you had to 445 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: find out that didn't work to realize that you wanted 446 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: to be with. Me, yeah and that's just like not 447 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: a POSITION i wanted to put myself. 448 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: In, No but in the same breath it is also 449 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: LIKE i agree with, you like no one wants no 450 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: one wants to be, like OH i want to be second, 451 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: Choice but in this simulation it is kind of could 452 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: be part of, it like second choices could actually work 453 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: out because everything is so expedited and people sometimes just 454 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: react and go one way and don't realize, like, hey 455 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: like maybe this person is actually maybe my person was 456 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: Actually jonathan Not. Dale, yeah BUT i don't. 457 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: Know, YEAH i guess MAYBE i just be an open Minded. 458 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah it was one of those things where she was 459 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: reassuring the, fact, like, HEY i actually do really really like, 460 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: you AND i know you wouldn't do whatever to. Me 461 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: like then sure made but. 462 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: Okay so then So, april, now were you you look truly? 463 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: Shocked were you truly? 464 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: SHOCKED i was truly shocked Watching i'm gonna be so. 465 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: Honest oh, SEE i thought watching, IT i was, Like 466 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: april's definitely gonna Give jonathan the. 467 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: ROSE i, didn't AND, i, well, A i didn't know 468 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: If golden's were allowed to give roses to non Golden 469 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: it was very, unclear AND i just kind of assumed 470 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: that probably wasn't a thing that was going to, happen 471 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: at least this early. On and she made out With, 472 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: jack SO i was, like you, know that seems like 473 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: a thing that's going, On and, honestly JUST i was, 474 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: Like jonathan gave it like a ten out of ten, 475 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 3: effort BUT i think he's going. 476 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: Home. 477 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well the thing was IS i didn't even try With, 478 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: April LIKE i wasn't trying for a. Rose that night 479 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: of The rose, Ceremony leslie had came and pulled me 480 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: for a chat and she was, like, hey can we? 481 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: Talk AND i was like it was, random like, yeah, 482 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: YEAH i. Guess so we have a super nice. Chat 483 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: she's being like super, reassuring being super, sweet And i'm, like, 484 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: oh this is, nice like. Whatever she's, like, oh you 485 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: think you're gonna go for. Anyone i'm, like, no tonight's my, 486 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: Night Like i'm going home And i'm trying to enjoy 487 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: it the best THAT i. Can did that our conversation. 488 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: Ends it was really sweet as EVERYTHING i need in 489 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: that moment. Too and Then april also comes and pulls 490 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 2: me for a chat and she's, like, hey how's your night? 491 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: Going Like leslie like filled me in on blah blah, 492 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: blah how are you? Feeling how you doing and pretty 493 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: much repeated the same. THING i was, LIKE i know 494 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: it's gonna be my last, night Like i'm just enjoying 495 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: my time with everybody having a good. TIME i don't 496 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: think anybody hears for. Me and she's, LIKE i don't 497 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: know how nobody hears like pursuing, you like you seem 498 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: like a, catch And i'm, LIKE i think it's a 499 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: it's a it's a, balancing LIKE i don't Think i'm 500 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: pursuing people BECAUSE i may not be interested in, somebody 501 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: AND i think vice. Versa you, know it's not like 502 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: a this side or this side. KIND i think. 503 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: It's not JUST i, mean it's just not. 504 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: There, yeah, Exactly, yeah it's just not there for. Me 505 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: it's not it has nothing to do with the girls 506 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: here and not being into. ME i think it's a mixed, 507 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: thing like they're not going to pursue somebody that they 508 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: feel is not into them, back you. Know AND i 509 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: was just, like, no, like it's just it is what it, 510 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 2: is LIKE i don't think my person's, here and she's, like, 511 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: well like IF i was, younger LIKE i would go for, 512 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: you blah blah, blah and just being so, sweet so 513 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: reassuring about it, all and then we move on with our. 514 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: Night i'm, like, damn that was really nice of, Her 515 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: like she was she was, Great and THEN i just have. 516 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: FUN i hang out with the, GUYS i hang out 517 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 2: with the, girls having, drinks having a good. Time i'm 518 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: Assuming i'm going home by the time ceremony. Happens you, 519 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: know everybody our age gets the. Roses And i'm, Like 520 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: i'm smiling like an idiot Because i'm happy for my. 521 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: Friends i'm, like, yes like everybody's, Good like they all 522 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: seem like they're in a relatively good. Place And i'm 523 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: watching The goldens, again just smiling because it's their first ceremony. 524 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: Too and then she calls my name And i'm like. 525 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: Me she's like, you And i'm like, no, no, no not, 526 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: me and she's, like my bags. Packed my bag was. 527 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 2: PACKED i was so ready and calls me down And 528 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: i'm like no, way and she's just saying all these 529 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: like really, nice sweet. Things and for somebody who was 530 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: in a really anxious spot during, filming like it was 531 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: just like the kindest. Moment AND i keep telling anybody 532 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: that asked, me, like what was it like having with gold, 533 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: Down like The golden saved paradise for. Me AND i 534 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: was in such an anxious, place like the weight of 535 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: the world and my shoulders coming, in you, know there's 536 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: a lot of positive energy behind me going into. It 537 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: but like with, THAT i put a lot of pressure 538 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: on myself to be a certain, way to act a certain, 539 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: way and to like find somebody and give it like 540 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 2: a real. Shot that in doing, SO i didn't act 541 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: like myself throughout a lot of. It and it's a 542 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: really hard thing to watch back when you're not in 543 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 2: like your best, place you, Know like WHEN i was In, 544 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: BASTRO i was an amazing. MOOD i was having a great. 545 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: Time it was just a new, experience and THEN i 546 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: come on this And i'm watching it, Back i'm, Like, 547 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: wow you were really just like in your, head and you, 548 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 2: know having to watch yourself back go through those moments is, 549 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: like really really. 550 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: TOUGH i also think it's hard to because you did 551 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: know so far in advance that it was just it 552 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: was such a, large long build up to where it's 553 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: kind of it's it's almost difficult not. 554 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: TO i totally. 555 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 3: AGREE i feel like it's like a blessing and a 556 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: curse to know that for an, Advance Like joe found 557 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: out his first, season like the day before, that he 558 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: was going yeah and liked to run to the, mall 559 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: AND i feel like that's almost you don't have any 560 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: time to visualize what it's going to be, like to 561 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: like daydream about best and worst case, scenarios to like 562 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 3: build your hopes, up to get, anxious and then you 563 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 3: have all this expectation of pressure when you get down. 564 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: There it's got to feel really. 565 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: Difficult, yeah and it. Was and that was also part 566 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: of the REASON i told YOU i cried When hekeem 567 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: left BECAUSE i was, LIKE i know HOW i would 568 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: have felt going home after waiting that, long because he 569 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: had he got asked what's for? You, yeah like that 570 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: was hard to like, WATCH i knew where he was, 571 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: AT i knew he was going through it, too and 572 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: it's just, yeah, yeah it was. Tough. 573 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: Mary, Okay so now you you know in your head 574 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: you're you're going. Home you're not getting a. Rose you 575 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: get a rose in this role is basically. Me now 576 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: you're here for an hour two, weeks like you're not 577 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: even because now you have, yeah because now you have the. 578 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: Pot yeah, yeah so now you have the you have the, 579 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: rows so you're at least staying another full full row 580 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: ceremony two and, YEAH i guess just like it's like 581 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: you get a you get a second. Chance what are 582 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: you thinking. 583 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: My Second my next thought IS i hope To god 584 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: somebody THAT i could date comes. 585 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: Down, yeah, yeah well we See leah comes. Down had 586 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: you met her? 587 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: BEFORE i have Met la. Before leah AND i were 588 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: actually friends before the, Show. 589 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: No, way before you both went. On you knew each? 590 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: Other, yes before before The bachelor? Franchise? 591 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no before Before. 592 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: Paradise oh, okay, okay, sorry you guys go away. 593 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: Back, No, NO i. 594 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 3: Knew that's not What i'm assuming you met just because 595 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 3: you're both out IN la same circles of. 596 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: People, yeah out of. 597 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 2: L a different. EVENTS i thought she was, hilarious so 598 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: we would just we hung. Out it was never one 599 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: on one, hangouts but we hung out in group settings 600 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: multiple times and she was. 601 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Great so you're the only guy at that point that 602 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: would even say yes to a? Date, no and oh hotch? 603 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: On? 604 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, WELL i mean that's that's basically all we 605 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: could talk. About because the episode's over and we pretty 606 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: much covered. Everything we don't know what's going to happen 607 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: with you by the sounds of. It we'll, see we'll 608 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: see how it. Goes But, josh thank you so much 609 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: for taking the time and coming on Bechelor Happy. 610 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: Hour thanks for having, me of, course and. 611 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: To all our, Listeners thank you guys for tuning in 612 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: and make sure you download and. Subscribe we will have new. 613 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: And exclusive interviews every single, week so continue to tune 614 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: Into bachelor In paradise and don't forget to subscribe To 615 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: Bachelor Happy. Hour thanks for listening by