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Speaker 2: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of interesting stories breaking this morning.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, we have a poll that has

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Speaker 1: really set DC on fire, that has Trump up by

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Speaker 1: ten on Joe Biden. So we'll break that down for you.

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Speaker 1: How much stocks should you put in it? With a

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Speaker 1: also have President Biden doing something that we don't think

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Speaker 1: any US president has ever done before, which is heading

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Speaker 1: So we'll break that down for you. We have I

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Speaker 1: can't even believe in saying this words, Canada honoring a

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Speaker 1: legitimate Ukrainian Nazi, Yes, longtime Lensky from World War Two

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Speaker 1: alongside Zelenski. A lot to reckon with there. We've also

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Speaker 1: for cartoonish corruption. He has a real excuse for why

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Speaker 3: It couldn't have been.

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Speaker 1: The gold bar statue in closet, Sager. It's his identity.

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Speaker 1: They're persecuting him. It's all wildly unfair, so we'll get

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Speaker 3: Right for the poll. We had breaking news this to morning, right.

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Speaker 1: So the writer strike that has been ongoing in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: We have a tentative deal. Over the coming days, we'll

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, So now we'll actually get to the ball, yes,

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Speaker 2: all right, So what happened these pulls, the shaking Washington

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Speaker 2: that's definitely a story. They talk about his disapproval rating,

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Speaker 2: Certainly? You know, an eight hundred and ninety registered voters,

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Speaker 2: how approval of the job, what is? Things aren't issue

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Speaker 2: what did you think of their decision to basically basically

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, that's your takeaway.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So at the same time, we've got some big news

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Speaker 1: with regard to the United Auto Workers ongoing strike against

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Speaker 1: the Big three automakers. So put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden making a big announcement last week, under pressure

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Speaker 1: both from within his own party but also from the

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Speaker 1: Republicans and the fact that Trump is going to Michigan.

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Speaker 1: He announced that this Tuesday tomorrow, I will go to

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Speaker 1: Michigan to join the picket line and stand in solidarity

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Speaker 1: with the men and women of UAW as they fight

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Speaker 1: for a fair share of the value they helped create.

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Speaker 1: It's time for a win win agreement that keeps American

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Speaker 1: auto manufacturing thriving with well paid UAW jobs. Put the

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Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen. So, as far as

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Speaker 1: we know, this is actually the first time that a

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Speaker 1: sitting president has ever gone to stand in solidarity with

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Speaker 1: workers at a picket line. I was talking to Jeff

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Speaker 1: Stein at the Washington Post. He has been talking to

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Speaker 1: labor historians to find out if there's any precedent for it.

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Speaker 1: No one quite knows one hundred percent for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, that seems to be an indication that

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Speaker 1: this has probably never happened before. What they keep saying

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Speaker 1: is at least in one hundred years, this hasn't happened.

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Speaker 1: Maybe something happened earlier in the history of the Republic,

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Speaker 1: but you would think it would have been a big

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Speaker 1: enough deal even at that time for there to be

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Speaker 1: some sort of news and recording of the event. So,

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Speaker 1: as far as we know, this is the first time

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Speaker 1: a sitting president has walked a picket line, per Mother Jones.

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Speaker 1: They say it's not unusual for politicians to walk a

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Speaker 1: picket line. Candidates often make a point of dropping by

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Speaker 1: with donuts and coffee. In twenty twenty, but Biden did

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Speaker 1: march outside the Palms in Las Vegas with casino workers.

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Speaker 1: But no sitting president has ever walked a picket line

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Speaker 1: with striking workers. They have historically been much more prone

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Speaker 1: to extravagant shows of solidarity with the companies that are

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Speaker 1: trying to break those strikes, and they were called that

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Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety four, where over Cleveland sent two thousand

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Speaker 1: federal troops to Chicago to break a railroad strike. Biden

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Speaker 1: has yet to announce exactly where in Michigan he will be,

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Speaker 1: but they say it's a safe bet that wherever he

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Speaker 1: ends up going, the National Guard thankfully will not be

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Speaker 1: coming with him. So this is a huge deal, it

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Speaker 1: really is. There's no way to sort of oversell this.

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Speaker 1: Democrats had increasingly been pushing him to go. You'd already

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Speaker 1: had a number of Democratic politicians, including John Fetterman and

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Speaker 1: Rocanna and other local Michigan representatives who had shown up

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Speaker 1: on the picket line, especially after Trump announced that he

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Speaker 1: on debate night is going to give a speech to

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Speaker 1: union workers past and present. I think they felt increasing

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Speaker 1: pressure that Biden needed to do a little more and

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Speaker 1: be a little visible to stake his claim that he

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Speaker 1: is the person who was really truly standing alongside these workers.

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Speaker 1: And so looks like this is gonna happen, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so, I also looked into it in

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Speaker 2: terms of the history. Everyone keeps saying one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: But I've been trying to look past and think about

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Speaker 2: the major labor era. I also cannot really think even

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Speaker 2: the best friends of labor who are in the White House,

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Speaker 2: people like FDR. Well, FDR for obvious reason, is not

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Speaker 2: gonna be joining a picket line. But you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of issuing statements of support and all that. The

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Speaker 2: other reason why politically I think this is a very

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Speaker 2: smart move is that there are sixty six thousand UAW

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Speaker 2: workers crystal in the state of Michigan. Just in Michigan. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so that's sixty six thousand people who are organized and

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Speaker 2: they like to vote. A lot of these union folks.

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Speaker 2: So we should not forget. Why did Mitt Romney blow

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Speaker 2: Michigan so badly back in twenty twelve because of the

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Speaker 2: two thousand and either eight or nine op ed that

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Speaker 2: he wrote which has said let Detroit go bankrupt, that

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Speaker 2: was plastered all over the state and he lost it

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Speaker 2: by a massive margin. And then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: Trump comes around and wins the state by a fraction

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Speaker 2: of a point in twenty sixteen. That is one of

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Speaker 2: the craziest things that has ever happened. Well, why did

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Speaker 2: Trump win it? Because a, a lot of people stayed home,

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Speaker 2: a lot of urban voters who did not feel excited

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Speaker 2: by Hillary, and he split the union vote by a

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Speaker 2: pretty historic margin for a Republican presidential candidate. And it

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Speaker 2: was largely on talk of Lordstown. It was talk of GM,

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Speaker 2: it was talk of NAFTA, and it was specifically speaking

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Speaker 2: to a lot of these people concerned. So one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons why I think that this is actually a

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Speaker 2: net benefit is we finally have two candidates who are

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Speaker 2: recording union workers in the state of Michigan, which is

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Speaker 2: a complete inversion from the Obama era. Like I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of with you, you know, but I'm still embracing NAFTA,

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Speaker 2: free trade and all this other which is screwing you.

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Speaker 2: As opposed to Romney, He's like, no, no, I literally want

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Speaker 2: to see you die and collapse. So to see that

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Speaker 2: inversion is and of course, look it's all in rhetoric,

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Speaker 2: but your rhetoric at least precedes something. Usually to see

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Speaker 2: that happen, I think is a very benefit to the country.

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Speaker 1: Trump, in terms of his record as president, as you

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Speaker 1: guys know, was a horrific union buster, There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. However, I do think the fact that he

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Speaker 1: rhetorically approaches these issues in a different at least giving

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Speaker 1: sort of like token or symbolic gestures towards the plight

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Speaker 1: of the workers, I think has changed public sentiment because

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Speaker 1: you know, back under the Obama era, there was a

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Speaker 1: really hard to divide about how Republicans versus Democrats felt

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Speaker 1: about unions, and there's still a split. I mean, Democrats

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Speaker 1: are still way more favorable towards unions, towards labor, towards

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Speaker 1: these strikes in particular, than Republicans are. But you no

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Speaker 1: consistently have polls that show Republican the Republican base, not

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Speaker 1: the elites who still continue to be union busters overwhelmingly,

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Speaker 1: but the Republican base showing support for unions and standing

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Speaker 1: on the side of striking workers. I think that the

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Speaker 1: rhetorical shift, even though again in terms of the record

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Speaker 1: it's total bullshit, but in the rhetorical shift, I think

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Speaker 1: has opened up a space among the Republican base, combined

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Speaker 1: with the fact, I mean, the pandemic changed everything. You know,

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Speaker 1: the pandemic really changed the way people are thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: We all lived under the specter of seeing these corporations

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Speaker 1: making literally record breaking profits and then using excuse of

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Speaker 1: inflation just further price gouge everyone. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: that kind of changed the way people feel about these

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Speaker 1: labor disputes. So not only is it smart because Biden

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Speaker 1: is kind of one upping Trump yere in terms of

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Speaker 1: what he's actually doing. Trump isn't speaking directly the auto workers.

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Speaker 1: There isn't any expectation he's going to walk the picket line.

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Speaker 1: All is rhetoric has been on the one hand, like

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Speaker 1: I sort of in theory support the workers and screw

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Speaker 1: electric vehicles. On the other hand, like this kind of

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Speaker 1: anti union union bossed traditional Republican language. So it's not

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Speaker 1: only smart from that perspective, but also you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not just the union workers who stand on side of

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Speaker 1: the union workers. You have something like seventy five percent

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Speaker 1: of the public is on the side of the workers

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Speaker 1: over the bosses in this dispute. So it is not

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Speaker 1: that's why this is so politically safe for him, and

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Speaker 1: why it's such an extraordinary moment that created the conditions

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Speaker 1: where even someone who's been this lifelong, like you know, centrist,

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Speaker 1: demoderate kind of a guy, can do something that again

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Speaker 1: is in terms of history truly extraordinary and has, as

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Speaker 1: far as we know, literally never happened before.

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Speaker 2: One reason I know that the political dynamics have changed

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Speaker 2: is back in the twenty tens era, there was an

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Speaker 2: entire GOP like media ecosystem dedicated to like attack remember

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Speaker 2: the whole Scott Walker thing, Bini Scott Walker. Yeah, attack

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Speaker 2: the teachers, teacher pay, all that other stuff. I don't

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Speaker 2: see any of that right now. Like in terms of

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Speaker 2: Twitter and YouTube and GOP like work, like base media,

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Speaker 2: they're not consuming anti union content. It doesn't even exist,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't register a I think that's two things. One

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Speaker 2: is obviously the base moved long past or they agree.

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Speaker 2: You know, in many cases, a lot of these people

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Speaker 2: culturally are very much with the Republican Party's look at

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Speaker 2: it gets a little you know, queasy if you're trying

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Speaker 2: to attack their overall economic demands. But as you said,

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Speaker 2: Trump has just moved on from that. He's pushed a

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Speaker 2: lot of the people the most MAGA type influencer. I

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Speaker 2: have not seen one single individual a Charlie Kirk, Jack Pisobie,

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Speaker 2: any of these folks attack the UAW strike. If anything,

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Speaker 2: they've posted stuff at Shapiro has se he's different. Shapiro

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Speaker 2: is not a Trump guy. He is a og member

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Speaker 2: of the Tea Party. The libertarian fact. I mean, remember

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Speaker 2: he was attacking Trump for being too liberal back in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. So I would not put it in that way.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying there is still some union busting conservative

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Speaker 1: media out there, so it's not like it's all gone.

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Speaker 1: But the moment is very different from I mean Scott

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Speaker 1: Walker in that moment that.

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Speaker 3: Was totally the conservative cause.

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Speaker 1: To let Chris Christy came to Republican conservative prominence from

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Speaker 1: like yelling at teacher unions and being super anti union

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Speaker 1: in the state of New Jersey, and so it was

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Speaker 1: a very very different moment energy wise within the Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: even as you know, the policy in terms of what

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Speaker 1: they actually do when they're and government hasn't changed, but

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Speaker 1: the rhetoric, the attitude, what's like the beating heart of

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Speaker 1: the Republican movement has in terms of where the online

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Speaker 1: energy is has definitely radically shifted. And you know, that

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Speaker 1: does create a real opening for working people, which is

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Speaker 1: part of what we're seeing in part of again, what

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Speaker 1: I think is like one of the most hopeful stories

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Speaker 1: in the entire country at this point. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: we have the UAW announcing that they are expanding the strike,

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Speaker 1: and some of the details here are really quite interesting.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. This is from Jacobin's reporting.

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Speaker 1: So as of Friday, they announced five thousand war members

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Speaker 1: of the United Auto Workers at thirty eight parts distribution

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Speaker 1: centers for Stalantis and GM walked off the job. Those

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Speaker 1: facilities spread across twenty states. So you'll note they did

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Speaker 1: not increase the strike on Ford, and the reason being

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Speaker 1: apparently they've made a lot more progress in their negotiations

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Speaker 1: with Ford, where the union enjoys a better RelA relationship

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Speaker 1: and there's been more of a give and take, and

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Speaker 1: apparently Ford has already met a number, although not all,

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Speaker 1: of their demands. So they did not escalate at Ford.

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Speaker 1: They are only escalating at Stalantis and GM. So they

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Speaker 1: say those five thousand workers joined the thirteen thousand that

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Speaker 1: were already out at assembly plants in Ohio, Michigan, and Missouri.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I thought was really interesting

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Speaker 1: here and shows the savviness, I guess, of this stand

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Speaker 1: up strike strategy that they're using, where instead of everybody

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Speaker 1: going out at once, they're picking and choosing and sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, keeping the companies off balance and showing that

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Speaker 1: they can extract more pain from the companies if they

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Speaker 1: want to and if they're not getting what they need

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Speaker 1: at the negotiating table. So they added these parts distribution

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Speaker 1: centers to the mix. That is apparently a very profitable

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Speaker 1: part of the company's business. They sell after sales spare

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Speaker 1: parts and accessories to dealerships. Sean Fayn talked to Labor

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Speaker 1: Notes and he said, why strike those parts distribution centers. Well,

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Speaker 1: they's several reasons. One of our issues is ending tiers.

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Speaker 1: The parts distribution centers are a big example of that.

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Speaker 1: Their wages were capped at twenty five dollars some years back,

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Speaker 1: during the greatest times in the history of these companies,

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Speaker 1: and that's got to change. So that's part of why

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Speaker 1: they're going in this direction to make a point about

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Speaker 1: the unfairness for the workers at those particular facilities. Let's

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Speaker 1: put the map up on the screen so you can

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Speaker 1: see how widespread this strike is. So they started with

653
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Speaker 1: just a handful of large scale facilities and now auto

654
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Speaker 1: assembly plans where they actually finished the products. Now you

655
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Speaker 1: have these parts distribution centers, which you can see are

656
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Speaker 1: literally all over the country coast to coast, So you know,

657
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Speaker 1: from you've got Connecticut, you've got DC area, you've got Charlotte,

658
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Speaker 1: You've got Florida, You've got California, You've got Oregon, You've

659
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Speaker 1: got of course a lot in that industrial Midwest, Indiana, Michigan.

660
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Speaker 3: Ohio, et cetera. So that's where they are now.

661
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Speaker 1: We haven't got any updates about if there have been

662
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Speaker 1: additional progress in the talks since they expanded strike, but

663
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Speaker 1: interesting to see the strategy that they're deploying here.

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Yeah, I mean, I especially enjoy that

665
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Speaker 2: factoid around what was going on with Ford and about

666
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: how they're able to flex up and now. It's actually

667
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Speaker 2: one of the benefits, I believe, of the new strategy

668
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Speaker 2: which you've educated me on versus a stand up strike

669
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Speaker 2: as opposed to this more targeted strike, that you can

670
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Speaker 2: expand and contract and target the particular people that are

671
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Speaker 2: coming to you with different demands contracts in order to benefit.

672
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Speaker 2: So I'm curious, I mean, what do you think in

673
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Speaker 2: terms of the movement, the fact if Ford is being

674
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Speaker 2: much more forthcoming in some of the demands, you know,

675
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Speaker 2: maybe this one won't have to drag one hundred and

676
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Speaker 2: fifty day, especially if they're going to ramp up the

677
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: pain like part distribution. We already saw how the Chips

678
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Speaker 2: crisis in twenty twenty one devastated the American car market

679
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Speaker 2: and especially the Big Three. Their inability to import and

680
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: to have the inputs into their cars just destroyed, you know,

681
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Speaker 2: overall the price and a lot of the profits in

682
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Speaker 2: the bottom line that the company was already having. So

683
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Speaker 2: if they're able to do this, I mean, you could

684
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Speaker 2: cripple critical infrastructure so quickly. Yeah, for these for these cars.

685
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Speaker 1: Listen, I have no idea, but if I had to guess,

686
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on these automakers.

687
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Speaker 3: Right now.

688
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Speaker 1: You have the fricking president, former and current presidents of

689
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Speaker 1: the United States coming to Michigan, and you know, Biden

690
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: overtly being on the side of the workers. Trump mixed bag.

691
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Speaker 1: But that's a lot of pressure being put directly on

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Speaker 1: you if you are a Big Three executive. Now you

693
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Speaker 1: have the news that Ford is offering some significant concessions

694
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Speaker 1: and getting at least part of the way there in

695
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Speaker 1: terms of the worker demands. That applies additional pressure onto

696
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Speaker 1: Stilantis and onto GM and then when you have this,

697
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Speaker 1: you know, this strategy that sort of creates chaos and

698
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: shows that they they can last a long time with

699
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Speaker 1: their strike fund is pretty full. Since they're not going

700
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Speaker 1: on all at once, they can really stretch that strike fund.

701
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Speaker 1: And in a lot of ways, strikes are a game

702
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: of chicken, right who's going to blink first, Who's going

703
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Speaker 1: to say this pain is too great for me? And really,

704
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Speaker 1: you know, have to give way and come to the

705
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Speaker 1: table and give up some concessions. Right now, I think

706
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Speaker 1: the autoworkers have positioned themselves very well. Now, I should

707
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Speaker 1: say there has been some dissent within the union of

708
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Speaker 1: some of the workers really wanted everyone to go out

709
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Speaker 1: at once and have a big show of force and

710
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Speaker 1: really stand in solidarity together. And you know, I think

711
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Speaker 1: Sean Fain was sympathetic to that view, but ultimately decided

712
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Speaker 1: this was the safier tactic. There are risks to the

713
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Speaker 1: stand up strike strategy that is more targeted versus everybody

714
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Speaker 1: going out all at once. The risks are that you

715
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Speaker 1: don't have everybody participating in the same way. There can

716
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Speaker 1: be a breakdown in solidarity. It requires a lot of

717
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: discipline for every worker at every facility to know exactly

718
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Speaker 1: what their part is and what the rules and guidelines

719
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Speaker 1: are and what they're supposed to be doing when so,

720
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Speaker 1: there is like a risk on the other.

721
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Speaker 3: Side of that.

722
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Speaker 1: But so far, I feel like the auto workers have

723
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: a lot more leverage and power in this situation than

724
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Speaker 1: the big three do. So one of the points of

725
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: leverage that automakers and also like CNBC and the Business

726
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Speaker 1: press or whatever are trying to use as this idea

727
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Speaker 1: that all the strike is going to cause car prices

728
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Speaker 1: to go up. Sean Faine not that one down pretty

729
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: easily when he was asked about it.

730
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Companies chose to put us in this position because they

732
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Speaker 5: had eight weeks to get a contract, and they chose

733
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Speaker 5: for seven weeks to screw around and do nothing. They

734
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Speaker 5: got serious in the last week. This isn't on the

735
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Speaker 5: UAW workers. When bad things happen, and things are happening

736
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Speaker 5: right now, it's all because the companies. They own it.

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Speaker 5: It's on their shoulders.

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Speaker 2: So you deny that it's going to hurt the consumers

739
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Speaker 2: in the long run.

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Speaker 5: What's hurt the consumers in the long run is the

741
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 5: fact that companies have raised prices on vehicles thirty five

742
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Speaker 5: percent in the last four years, just our wages went

743
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Speaker 5: up six percent. The CEO pay went up forty percent.

744
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Speaker 5: Profits have been into billions, the hundreds of billions they own.

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Speaker 1: All of this, that's what's concent I mean, it's pretty

746
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: hard to argue with those numbers. Like, listen, our wages

747
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: are not the problem, because guess what, we've been getting

748
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Speaker 1: screwed on wages ever since basically the two thousand and

749
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Speaker 1: eight recession, even before that. Actually put this up on

750
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Speaker 1: the screen from Heather Long. She highlights that US auto

751
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: workers have seen their paychecks plunge further from ninety three

752
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty three than any other of the one

753
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty SI industries we regularly track. In the

754
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Speaker 1: early nineties, autoworkers with the top paid rank and file workers.

755
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: Now they are middle of the pack. And I think

756
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Speaker 1: the title for that chart there where they say now

757
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Speaker 1: autoworkers just another job, kind of says it all. The

758
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Speaker 1: autoworker used to be the sort of gold standard, rock solid,

759
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Speaker 1: middle class job. It was this iconic industry where the

760
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Speaker 1: understanding was if you worked there and you did the job,

761
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Speaker 1: you were going to be able to have the basics

762
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Speaker 1: of a stable middle class life that has been eaten away,

763
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Speaker 1: and so autoworker wages have suffered more than those of

764
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Speaker 1: workers in any other industry.

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Speaker 3: So for them to turn around and be like, oh,

766
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Speaker 3: it's your fault.

767
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Speaker 1: The car prices are so high when they've been taking

768
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Speaker 1: a haircut, and when their labor makes up a grand

769
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Speaker 1: total of like five percent of the cost of a

770
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Speaker 1: new car, it just doesn't hold water.

771
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Speaker 2: It doesn't hold any water, as you said, And I

772
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Speaker 2: think that the most important point is that these are

773
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Speaker 2: not people who've been getting paid well. They've actually been

774
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Speaker 2: underpaid for more than a decade. They got massive haircut

775
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: after two thousand and eight, and are just trying to

776
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Speaker 2: keep pace with inflation, with any of the demands and

777
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: all the flexibilities and all the things that the white

778
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Speaker 2: collar workforce and many blue collar workers have been able

779
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Speaker 2: to demand. They find themselves as part of an America's

780
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Speaker 2: critical security or critical economic infrastructure and are using you know,

781
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Speaker 2: I mean again, you know, without them the big they

782
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: could have decided not to take the haircut, and they

783
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Speaker 2: would have all gotten completely bussed. Two thousand and eight.

784
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Speaker 2: They did the car makers, the Big three, a big favor,

785
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Speaker 2: and don't forget all of us saved the auto industry.

786
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Speaker 2: And I think that was the correct decision back then.

787
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Speaker 2: But you know, one of the things is that they

788
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: have just been able to make fantastic profits, and more importantly,

789
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Speaker 2: the executives, the shareholders have all benefited. The workforce itself

790
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Speaker 2: is the only one who has not since the I

791
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Speaker 2: think GM I believe still owes billions of dollars to

792
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Speaker 2: the US government. So let's all not forget about what happened,

793
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Speaker 2: you know, not that long ago.

794
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, very true.

795
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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on Ukraine. This is the story

796
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Speaker 2: which I have. I couldn't I couldn't believe when I

797
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: first saw it, and the more that we research it,

798
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: the more insane it actually gets. President Zelenski was here

799
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Speaker 2: in Washington with his hand had out asking for twenty

800
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Speaker 2: five billion more from the US Congress. By all accounts,

801
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: they'll probably give it to him, although we might have

802
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: an interim shutdown in the meantime. But after that he

803
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: visited fellow NATO ally Canada. And while he was in Canada,

804
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: justin Trudeau and the Canadian Parliament decided to honor President

805
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Speaker 2: Selensky in a session very much like we had our

806
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Speaker 2: joint session, where they featured a quote Ukrainian freedom fighter.

807
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Speaker 2: And it turns out that that Ukrainian fighter who fought

808
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Speaker 2: in World War Two, as they described it, was a

809
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Speaker 2: literal Nazi. Here's how they described it. Though at the time,

810
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Speaker 2: let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: Lelensky's speech received at least a dozen standing ovations. There

812
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Speaker 7: was also one for this man, a ninety eight year

813
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Speaker 7: old Ukrainian Canadian who fought for Ukrainian independence against the

814
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Speaker 7: Russians during the Second World War.

815
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Speaker 2: Fighting for Ukrainian independence against the Russians in the Second

816
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Speaker 2: World War certainly one way to say it, the other

817
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: way to say it. Let's put this up there on

818
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Speaker 2: the screen, our friend yegor Is. It was called the

819
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Speaker 2: SS Division Galicia, which changed its name to the First

820
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian Division in April of nineteen forty five, after already

821
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Speaker 2: losing the war, the same month that Hitler killed himself.

822
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Speaker 2: Calling a quote ninety eight year old SS veteran a

823
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian veteran is like calling Adolf Eichmann an Argentinian farmer.

824
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Speaker 2: This is no joke, Crystal. This was straight up This

825
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: is not like he was a Wehrmached soldier. No straight

826
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Speaker 2: up Waffen SS actual Nazi soldier in the Second World War.

827
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Speaker 2: A division, by the way, the SS Division Galicia implicated

828
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Speaker 2: in several horrific instances during the Second World War, specifically

829
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Speaker 2: targeting the Polish people, who are very much waking up

830
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Speaker 2: to this. The fact this is not a bigger scandal

831
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Speaker 2: in the United States, and really even in Canada, who

832
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: is only just now waking up to this and took

833
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Speaker 2: a long time to even acknowledge or even apologize more

834
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Speaker 2: than twenty four to forty eight hours after this incident,

835
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Speaker 2: is outrageous. Put this up there on the screen. This

836
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Speaker 2: is actually from a university professor historian. There he says, quote,

837
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Speaker 2: these are the photos for those who are watching can

838
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Speaker 2: see of the S Scalicia Division veteran who was given

839
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Speaker 2: standing ovation by the Canadian Parliament. He published these himself

840
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Speaker 2: of his division in training in Germany, standing in the

841
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Speaker 2: middle of the first photo, second on the left. In

842
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Speaker 2: the second photo. If we want to go ahead and

843
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Speaker 2: show that one and without a helmet near the machine

844
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Speaker 2: gun in that photo, I mean one of the things

845
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Speaker 2: is he volunteered in nineteen forty three, okay, in the

846
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Speaker 2: Turnopyl region of western Ukraine, which means he fought and

847
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Speaker 2: served in this division at the exact times when it

848
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Speaker 2: was both commissioned and was implicated in multiple atrocities, as

849
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Speaker 2: I said, in the region. And unfortunately, look, this is

850
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Speaker 2: going to be you already know, this is going buck

851
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Speaker 2: wild in Russia because they're like, of course, you know,

852
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: they literally honored a Nazi. But also raises the uncomfortable

853
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Speaker 2: truth of which many people in the West don't want

854
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Speaker 2: to talk about. Is yeah, there are some Nazi affiliated

855
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Speaker 2: groups in the Ukrainian military who have a complicated history.

856
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Speaker 2: And this is something I've even raised here on the

857
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Speaker 2: show before. I'm glad to even show it. Is a

858
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Speaker 2: lot of people think of the SS and of the

859
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Speaker 2: SS and specifically like the military units as just being

860
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Speaker 2: all German, and it's actually not true because they had

861
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Speaker 2: this entire idea of like an Aryan like race. Himmler

862
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Speaker 2: himself actually decreed that this has to be like the

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Speaker 2: Galician Division because they were quote more aryan like than

864
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Speaker 2: other slobs. So that's that's what he served.

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Speaker 3: That what we're celebrating here to the Canadian Parliament.

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Speaker 2: That's who they celebrate.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Look, I guess to be fair, it's become a big

869
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 2: enough scandal now that the Speaker of the Canadian Parliament

870
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: as Ad issue apology. To my knowledge at the time

871
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: of this taping, Justin Trudeau has not acknowledged this. But

872
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: the crazy thing is they had a meeting beforehand. The

873
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: granddaughter of this gentleman, if I guess if you can't

874
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: even call him, that was actually posted a photo. And

875
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: it's even more interesting there wasn't. The reason they changed

876
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: their name to the Ukrainian Division is there was an

877
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: entire effort after the Second World War to whitewash they're

878
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: not affiliation and to portray themselves as Ukrainian freedom fighters.

879
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: And actually over a thousands of them emigrated to Canada.

880
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: So this is a very, very disgusting situation where they

881
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: were explicitly used the name to portray themselves as these

882
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: great freedom fighters to gain access to the West. I mean,

883
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: this is a long standing thing that a lot of

884
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: people who fought within the ass did. Now look in

885
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: terms of like I don't know if this man served

886
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: in the actual play, but you know, look in terms

887
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: of the whole idea of like the good Nazi and

888
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: all that. He volunteered for a Nazi division in forty three,

889
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: served until the end of the war. He was around

890
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: or the very loose new people who straight up slaughtered

891
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: civilians and were implicated in the death and also the

892
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: liquidation of Jews in the Eastern European theater wort. I

893
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: don't think there's any getting around that. And these are

894
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: not people who we should be celebrating. I cannot believe

895
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: that they honored him, that Zelenski, you know, like you know,

896
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: the other thing is here. Maybe you can forgive the

897
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: Canadians for not knowing. Okay, a lot of these people

898
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: are idiots. They don't know he knew what was going on.

899
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: Do you think Eden know He's like, oh, he fought

900
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: for Ukrainian independence in World War two? People in Ukraine

901
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: they know, they know which side people fought on.

902
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I mean, this is one of the uncomfortable

903
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: realities that was easy for a lot of people to

904
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: acknowledge before the war and has become something that no

905
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: one really wants to talk about anymore. But some of

906
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: the great like heroes of Ukrainian nationalism committed you know,

907
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: incredible atrocities during World War Two fighting against the Russians

908
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: on behalf of the Nazis. So one thing when I

909
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: was talking to Yegor about this is I was trying

910
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: to understand, like you, like, was this an accident?

911
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: Did they know?

912
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: Because when you hear freedom fighter against the Russians during

913
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: World War two, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to

914
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: figure out then, okay, which side were you actually on?

915
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: And one thing that he really wanted to impress upon

916
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: me was that this is not like a one off incident.

917
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: First of all, we have seen numerous times the you know,

918
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: Ukrainian social media accounts posting.

919
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: Photos of their soldiers with all sorts of like.

920
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Nazi insignia, And I don't want to play into the

921
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: Russian idea that like every Ukrainian is a Nazi.

922
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: That's far from truth, Okay, So we're trying to.

923
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: Be nuanced here and say, listen, there is an element

924
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: and certainly those who were the hard Ukrainian nationalists and

925
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: continue to be the hard right Ukrainian nationalists have a

926
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: lot of very uncomfortable Nazi ties and sometimes have Nazi

927
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: insignia tattoos on their uniforms and tattooed on themselves. So

928
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to play into, like, you know, some

929
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: blanket statements. But the other thing he was telling me

930
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: is it's sort of akin to you know, Southerners who

931
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: want to whitewash the Civil War and the Confederacy and

932
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the Confederate flag and all of that. That there's been

933
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: an ongoing project in Eastern Europe, in Ukraine, in the

934
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: Baltic States to try to whitewash their quote unquote freedom fighters.

935
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: And this has been going on, you know, under the

936
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: radar of people who are and don't want to be

937
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: embarrassed by their like Nazi Grandpa as eeg Or put

938
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: it to me anymore. And so this has been going

939
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: on under the radar. But for them to actually achieve

940
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: this moment of having a legit former Nazi celebrate and

941
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: receive a standing ovation from Trudeau and Zelensky, I mean,

942
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: that's a whole other level. And in some ways it

943
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: ends up being useful because it shines a light on

944
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: something that's been going on underneath the surface here that really,

945
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: like Nazi apologias should not be mainstream, it should not

946
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: be allowed to continue, It should be called out for

947
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: exactly what it is, which you can see really clearly.

948
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that he raised then that we're actually

949
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, look, it is a complicated history. I'm not

950
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: going to sit here and just say it was all easy,

951
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 2: you know. And here's the uncomfortable truth. When the Nazis

952
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: invaded the Soviet Union, a lot of those people were

953
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: cheering them on Ukrainians polls. A lot of these folks,

954
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: you know why, because the hate of the Soviets, I

955
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: get it. A lot of the Latvians of Lithuanians. And

956
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: here's the other uncomfortable truth. The Latvians of Lithuanians, the

957
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: Ukrainians were involved in some of the worst pugroms of

958
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: the early you know what twentieth century. They had no

959
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: love for Jews, and they did not stand in the

960
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: Nazis way, or at the very least they helped him out.

961
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: Some of the highest liquidation rates of Jews in an

962
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: entire like Nazi regime happened in Eastern Europe. And it

963
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: was because in many cases of a willing and a

964
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: compliant and some guy enthusiastic populace. I'm not denigrating the

965
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: people were the descendants of them today. I'm just saying

966
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: though that at that time, you know, their own symbols

967
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: of nationalism. When it's going to be so inextricably linked

968
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: to that time period of World War Two, we should

969
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: be very we should not be uncomfortable to pointing out

970
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: some of the major moral quandaries around this, and to

971
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: also think about who we in the West are siding

972
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: with and are supporting. And I think this is a

973
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: very basic fact. It is of course unjust and horrific

974
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: that the Russians invaded Ukraine, but it is also empirically

975
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: true that US provided in Western provided weapons have gone

976
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: into the hands of straight up neo Nazis in Ukraine.

977
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: It's undeniable. I mean absolutely undeniable. You can decide, you know,

978
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: the lesser of two evils, the end of the enemy

979
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: is my friend, et cetera. But you know, phrasing and

980
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: framing this all and just like democracy and autocracy, you know,

981
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: I see some people being like the front line of

982
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: democracy is in the dun boss, and I'm just like,

983
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: all right, shut up, I'm sorry, Like that's ludicrous. Like,

984
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: first of all, we're talking about one of the most

985
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 2: corrupt nations in all of Eastern Europe. You should maybe

986
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: go ask some of the people in the dun Boss

987
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: previous to this conflict who they had allegiances to. All

988
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying is is messy, is complicated. None of this

989
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: is justification for a horrible invasion, just to show you, like,

990
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 2: the world is not black and white, it's very gray. Yeah,

991
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: this case it gets.

992
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: In this case, it's a little bit black.

993
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: A little bit this one, well, in this one it

994
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: gets a little Nazi gray in terms of what those

995
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: un warns look like. And I think it's I think

996
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: it's a tragedy. More so also that people in the West,

997
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: they don't they don't want to admit this stuff. Only

998
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: in Canada because they straight up honored him at the parliament.

999
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: But how many people in the US media are talking

1000
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: about this.

1001
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 6: Not one.

1002
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a single media outlet here in Washington

1003
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: condemn you know Lensky too. Listen, if you're gonna come

1004
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: here and shake your hand asking for money, maybe don't

1005
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: be honoring Nazis. Whi're over here.

1006
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: Somebody on his stack is not doing him any favors.

1007
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: Somebody on his stack again, you can excuse the idiot

1008
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Canadians maybe, although probably not, but they knew. There's no

1009
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: way that those people on Zelenski's staff, you know, the

1010
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: advanced staff and Zelensky and Stif, There's no way they

1011
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: didn't know who this guy was. Right. This is coded

1012
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: language in Ukraine for Yeah, they fought on the side

1013
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: of the Nazis. You think that was a smart move.

1014
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: And then it gets to the uncomfortable question of like, hey,

1015
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: maybe they support it a little bit or at the

1016
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: very least like tascitly okay with it, as they are

1017
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: in their own government and in their coalition. So people

1018
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: can think that we're unfair and harping on this, but like,

1019
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, look, you know we these are the people

1020
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: we're supposedly allied with. These are the people who are

1021
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: funding with a blank check. You got to ask questions

1022
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: about your friends more so, probably even than your enemies.

1023
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: It's also, in a certain sense, like the logical endpoint

1024
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: of this black and white Disney version of the war

1025
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: that you're gesturing towards saga that it's just like the

1026
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Russians are bad and the Ukrainians are good. Oh, here's

1027
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Ukrainian freedom fighter quote unquote who was fighting against the Russians.

1028
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: He must be good.

1029
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the logical endpoint of this really silly,

1030
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: childlike version of events that we've been fed by the media,

1031
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: and so in that regard, it's actually not surprising that

1032
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: you would end up with something that is this egregious,

1033
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: just like, you know, literally celebrating a Nazi to own

1034
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: the Russians kind of makes sense as a logical conclusion

1035
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: of the direction that we've been heading in with all

1036
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: of this. So absolutely shorny, we should say, you know,

1037
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: there are a lot of Canadian Jewish groups obviously understandably

1038
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: very upset about this state of affairs and wondering, like

1039
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: we are, what the hell were you thinking?

1040
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: And how can you let this happen?

1041
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: So Trudeau and Parliament under a lot of pressure now

1042
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: to make amends for this state of affairs. But yeah,

1043
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: in terms of US media, pretty much silent.

1044
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: Where's the ADL huh Adl, who's willing to call anybody

1045
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: an anti semi for anything anybody says about Israel or

1046
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: anything anybody ever says even about them. They haven't put

1047
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: out a single statement about this. Wow, this is the

1048
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: probably I mean, let's think about it. Since Operation paper Clip,

1049
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: this is probably the most prominent celebration of a literal

1050
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: Nazi in the West in decades throughout all of the West.

1051
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: And these people don't have a word to say. They're

1052
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: complete and utter tools. So let's just keep that very clear.

1053
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: Let's move on now and talk a little bit about

1054
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: a government shutdown. We put it into the Ukraine block

1055
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 2: because I guess there's some elements about Ukraine. We want

1056
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: to make sure everybody stays updated about what's going on.

1057
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: There was a fascinating fight between Congressman Matt Gaetz is

1058
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 2: one of the leaders of the shutdown movement, with Maria

1059
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: Bartrioma over on Fox Business. It was a clash of

1060
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: too Kevin McCarthy of Kevin McCarthy ideology and the Gates ideology.

1061
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

1062
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 6: I'm glad I get to respond to your monologue because

1063
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 6: if you're saying that I'm standing in the way of

1064
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 6: all the Republican wins, I'd love you to enumerate them.

1065
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 6: Watching my friend and mentor Jim Jordan, it was quite

1066
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 6: pay because he started by saying we should only pick

1067
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 6: one fight the border, but then as the interview went on,

1068
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 6: he said, well, we should pick a second fight. Jack

1069
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 6: Smith and by the time the interview rounded out, he

1070
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 6: was saying that we shouldn't be funding Ukraine without a plan,

1071
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 6: and yet the very continuing resolution that you and Jim

1072
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 6: Jordan seemed to before continues to have three hundred million

1073
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: dollars more for Ukraine. So I think we ought to

1074
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 6: fight on all fronts. I think the border is very important.

1075
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 6: Kevin wants it in one big up or down vote.

1076
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 6: Keep the government open, shut it down. I'm saying, single

1077
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 6: subject spending bills. It's the only way to break the

1078
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 6: fever and liberate ourselves from this out of control spending.

1079
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: Well, he's doing the four bills next week.

1080
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 6: So because we're making him, because we're making.

1081
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Speaker 4: You're doing it, so to push now to blow up

1082
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 4: all of the wins that you all have had.

1083
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 6: Now, which wins, please enumerate that?

1084
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: Well?

1085
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, how about the fact that he has set

1086
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 4: up a Weaponization committee to investigate the DOJ whether they're involved.

1087
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: In a cover up.

1088
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: I do not see any of the January sixth gears

1089
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Speaker 6: using full straight.

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Speaker 4: Now indirectly working with Democrats, because you are going to

1091
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 4: allow Chuck Schumer to come up with a continuing resolution

1092
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: next week to fund the government that's what your actions

1093
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: are doing. That's why some people feel this is a

1094
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: personal vendetta you have against the speaker.

1095
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 6: No, my vendetta is against a Washington system that allows

1096
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 6: corruption to put the interests of lobbyists and pacts above

1097
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 6: the interests of the American people. Kevin McCarthy facilitates that system,

1098
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 6: and I do deeply resent that.

1099
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: So there it is. That's the fight with Maria and

1100
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: Matt Gates. Now, to be clear, Ukraine is part of

1101
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: the story that will be voted on. But just to

1102
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: explain in senatees or Congression leans, because I know this

1103
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: is complicated. A continuing resolution is a giant bill that

1104
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: funds the government. Once upon a time, before Obama was president,

1105
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: and when the Congress kind of ish worked, they used

1106
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: to pass individual appropriations bills for each part of the government,

1107
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: which were reported out of committee and sent to the floor.

1108
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: So the Department of Agriculture had one bill, the Department

1109
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: the Defense had one bill, the Department of the Treasury

1110
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: had one bill. Within these bills, there would be a debate,

1111
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: a line item debate. As he was saying about it's

1112
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: called the normal procedure. It hasn't been the normal procedure

1113
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: now in Washington. Basically since two thousand and nine, and

1114
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: especially since twenty thirteen, Gates and the Freedom Caucus have

1115
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: demanded a return to that, although Kevin McCarthy the Senate

1116
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: and all these others have decided that they want to stick.

1117
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: Hence the showdown that's happening right now now. In terms

1118
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: of the demands that are being made here, Ukraine is

1119
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: one of those demands, but it's not one of the

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00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: most prominent ones. Let's put this up there on the screen.

1121
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: One of the things that the House GOP wants to

1122
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: do is they want to cut spending, but they have

1123
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: decided to rule out over ninety percent of the federal budget,

1124
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: meaning entitlements and defense, so that leaves discretionary spending, which

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: is only about seven percent of the overall federal budget.

1126
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: That includes cuts to twenty seven percent of what they

1127
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: were advocate for the Social Security Administration, nutrition assistance for newborns,

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00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: money to ensure our drinking water is safe, most federal

1129
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: education money, federal cancer and stroke research. So Crystal, I

1130
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: personally think, look, I actually do think a return to

1131
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: a normal order would be a good thing. Maybe you know,

1132
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: conceptually that said, what people are demanding here is crazy

1133
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: and actually would be. Look, it's always ridiculous. Yeah, look,

1134
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: we could cut spending. Let's let's take a freaking axe

1135
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: to so much to the Pentagon. But they don't want

1136
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: to touch it. Never they don't want to. And that's

1137
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: where Look, I'll give Gates credit because Gates actually would

1138
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: touch Pentagon spending, but the rest of them they refuse,

1139
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: and so the whole thing just becomes this crazy farce

1140
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: effectively about cutting to the bone. You know, any existing

1141
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, welfare programs which you have, which by the way,

1142
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: many of these are as means tested if anybody is

1143
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, worried about that, but you know, many of

1144
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: these existing programs are not you know, exactly like cash that.

1145
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: People are living high on the hogs.

1146
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: That type of welfare doesn't even exist in the United States. Like,

1147
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: that's what people don't understand. If you're not working, you

1148
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: actually can't get welfare. Is even if you're unemployed, you

1149
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: have to you can't just have no job, like you

1150
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: have to a paid in the unemployment insurance or to

1151
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: get unemployment insurance. I just don't think a lot of

1152
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: people understand that. So a lot of the cuts that

1153
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: we're talking about are silly. That said, on the Ukraine side,

1154
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent with them. But the problem is is,

1155
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: from a political perspective, if McCarthy does fold, and it

1156
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 2: does look like he's going to to individually bring these

1157
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: bills to the floor, the vast majority of the House

1158
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: of Representatives does support Ukraine eight. So it's not like

1159
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: it's not going to pass. But that's the issue that

1160
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: I really have with this.

1161
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: Well, and even that so the expectation, I mean, this

1162
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: is also in the weeds, and I know, I'm sorry,

1163
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: I apologize, but it really does matter because we are

1164
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: coming down to the wire here and it looks we're

1165
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: adding towards the government shutdown almost totally because there's just.

1166
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: Not even time.

1167
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: If they were going to do some other sort of

1168
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: complicated discharge petition process, there's just not even time to

1169
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: get that done. So here's what the state of play is.

1170
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is going to try to pass through the

1171
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: House these individual bills like you're talking about to appease

1172
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: the Matt Gates of the world. Okay, that's going to

1173
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: go nowhere in terms of the Senate. Meanwhile, the Senate

1174
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: is trying to pass their own continuing resolution, which would

1175
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 1: be comprehensive, which Kevin McCarthy, because he values his position

1176
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: as Speaker of the House, is not going to put

1177
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: forward in the House. So you have this impass between

1178
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: the two chambers. What it looks like maybe we're going

1179
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: to end up with is a situation where they use

1180
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: this kind of workaround called a discharge petition that doesn't

1181
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: require a speaker to bring something to the floor that

1182
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: you can get a majority of members which would be

1183
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: some combination of probably mostly Democrats and a few Republicans

1184
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: to bring something like what the Senate is going to

1185
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: pass to the floor.

1186
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: But again that's.

1187
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: Going to take some time, and there's no guarantees about

1188
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: that either, because the Matt Gates faction says even that

1189
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: would be a real betrayal if anything passes through the

1190
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: House that uses Democrats to get across the finish line,

1191
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: So it's a complete impass. You know, their demands are

1192
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: really extreme, as we show there, and extraordinarily ideological. Even

1193
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: if you like we are sympathetic to their demands on

1194
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: Ukraine on everything else. I mean, it's just really trying

1195
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: to take a hatchet to these already threadbare social safety

1196
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: net programs which have been cut and cut and cut

1197
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: by the way during the COVID era, in which they

1198
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: already extracted a pound of flesh over the last debt

1199
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: ceiling freaking negotiations. They got a lot of what they

1200
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: wanted there too, which it's easy to forget about. So

1201
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: I think what was notable mostly about the Maria Barbaroma

1202
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: Matt Gates clip there is just how how ugly it was.

1203
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is bringing into the open and

1204
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: I think Maria, you could just basically assume those are

1205
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: like coming directly from Kevin McCarthy. I mean, that is

1206
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: really the divide here, and it's quite it's quite something.

1207
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: From a pure entertainment perspective. Here's my ideal solution. The

1208
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: Republicans do team up with the Democrats to pass it,

1209
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: and then McCarthy loses the speakership just because I would

1210
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I mean me personally, I like to say

1211
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: people lose their jobs, you know, I like to see

1212
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of chaos. That's what the House is for.

1213
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: But the problem, like people, this is the same issue

1214
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: they had at the beginning of the Kevin McCarthy speakership fight,

1215
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: like they don't have an alternative, yeah, unfortate that can

1216
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: unite the caucus, and so they.

1217
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: Won't have a speaker. You know, there's actually there's an

1218
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: interesting rule. You don't have to remember the House representative

1219
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: to be speaker. Yeah, you could be a normal.

1220
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: People always Oh, let's make tre don't speak thouse.

1221
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean I would enjoy it. I would enjoy it,

1222
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: Let's be honest.

1223
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: The one thing that I did think that Matt gets

1224
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: was right on when he was like Mario was like,

1225
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: and we can continue with all the wins, and he's like,

1226
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: what wins, because he's pointing to the fact, I mean,

1227
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: in fairness, like I said, they did win some of

1228
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: their like hard ideological goals through the debt ceiling fight,

1229
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: so those in their view would be wins. I would

1230
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: consider them losses, but they would consider them wins. But

1231
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: in terms of all their like you know, their Weaponization

1232
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Committee and they're like impeachment investigation or whatever, he's pointed

1233
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: to the fact that this is all just like bullshit

1234
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: virtue signaling without any real teeth at this point. And

1235
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: he's not wrong about that.

1236
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: No, he's not. Because McCarthy is not given them the

1237
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: powers and the subpoenas, stuff that they actually want for

1238
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: the Commons. It's very interesting. And again, I know there

1239
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: were boring people with the weeds, but you know, if

1240
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: you learn a little bit about the procedure and you

1241
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: start to speak some of this language, you're like, you know, look,

1242
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: you can conceptually understand why it would definitely be better

1243
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: to move away from these giant crs, these continuing resolutions,

1244
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: because they're just packed full of junk. Nobody ever knows

1245
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: what's going in there, and never debated, they're never you know,

1246
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: marked up and effectively. The real problem is this undemocratic

1247
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: because it means that only three people are making the law,

1248
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 2: the President, the leader of the Senate, and the Leader

1249
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: of the House. They write those bills and then they

1250
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: released two thousand pages and they go look up or down.

1251
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: There's no debate, nothing. Oh, you're going to lead to

1252
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: a government shutdown. It's basically a blackmail situation invented, like

1253
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: I said, by John Bayner and Paul Ryan and all

1254
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 2: those other people, all going back all the way back

1255
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 2: to the Obama administration. So getting away from it would

1256
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: be great, but listen, I'm not going to hold my breath.

1257
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: That thing is rule in Washington. It has now they

1258
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: love it. You know that the establishment loves that because

1259
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: they can chock full of you know, Ukraine, a disaster relief.

1260
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: Oh you want to vote against Waii. Remember the whole

1261
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: the two thousand dollars check thing. McConnell held it up

1262
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: because he refused to put it on the floor as

1263
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: a single item. He would only put it up against

1264
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: government spending and went ahead and killed it. So there's

1265
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons why this really does hurt you

1266
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: as an individual citizen to pass laws this way.

1267
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem there's just too much dysfunction for

1268
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: them to be able to and has been now for

1269
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: over a decade, for them to be able to actually

1270
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: like you know, run the government and the way.

1271
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: That the government is supposed to be run.

1272
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: So not that I'm really like longing for those days

1273
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: of bipartisan consensus around you know, cutting off the social say.

1274
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: But the way that made those laws genuinely was good,

1275
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: especially forty fifty years ago, it was good. Great. The

1276
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: way that they used to really take it seriously. Think

1277
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: about the committee, the way that you would have witnesses

1278
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: come and testify. They would truly. I mean, go back

1279
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: into one of my personal favorite instances of American history

1280
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: is the tax bill by John F. Kennedy, the way

1281
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: that was reported and thought about and then eventually passed

1282
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: by Lyndon Johnson, The amount of work that went into

1283
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: that bill, which ended up being one of the best

1284
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: things ever happened to the US economy. People should really

1285
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: go back and think about the debates around income tax

1286
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: and about how corporations and it's set up for a

1287
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: lot of prosperity in the sixties. So I don't want

1288
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: to go on too much of a tangent, but it

1289
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: really was interesting and there is there is, you know,

1290
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: a good thing to be for good order, but it

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Speaker 2: requires a lot of other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason that it's impossible now is because the

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Speaker 1: parties have completely ideologically diverged. So, you know, used to

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Speaker 1: be that there was actually over ideological overlap between the

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Speaker 1: parties and that just doesn't really exist anymore.

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Speaker 3: Now. It's theoretically, I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: Could imagine a scenario where you ended up with you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean you start to see glimmers of Okay, there's

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Speaker 1: a few Republicans who are serious on antitrust and there's

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Speaker 1: some Democrats that.

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Speaker 3: You would start to see, yeah, the railway.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a few little glimmers, but there's not

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Speaker 1: anything like the type of actual like cross parts and

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01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: ideological overlap that used to enable that sort of working.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if we'll ever get back to that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of dysfunction in Washington, as you guys know, Senator

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Speaker 1: of Menendez of New Jersey, Democratic of New Jersey was

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Speaker 1: indicted on stunning allegations of corruption last week. I mean, truly,

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Speaker 1: the details here are cartoonishly mind blowing, Like they found

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash in this guy's house,

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Speaker 1: stuffed into what it was like a jacket that literally

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Speaker 1: had his.

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Speaker 3: Name on it, gold gold bars.

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Speaker 1: And the allegation here is that this was that he

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Speaker 1: got this cash and the gold bars and like a

1316
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: luxury car for his wife and house payments and all

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01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: this other stuff in exchange for doing favors for these

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Speaker 1: Egyptian businessmen and also doing favors, by the way, for

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Speaker 1: the Egyptian government. This is a man who was, until

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Speaker 1: this all came out, head chair of the Senate Foreign

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: Relations Committee. So the fact that he's doing favors on

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01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: behalf of a foreign government. And by the way, this

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01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: is the second time he's been indicted over corruption charges.

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Speaker 1: Is just absolutely stunning. Perhaps even more stunning, though, has

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01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: been his response. You would think someone would have a

1326
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: little bit of shame about this, but nope, not at all.

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Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So he had the goal to respond to calls for

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Speaker 1: his resignation with a new statement saying it's not lost

1330
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: on me.

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01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 3: How quickly some are rushing to.

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Speaker 1: Judge Aino and push him out of his seat. I

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Speaker 1: am not going anywhere. And by the way, he's expected

1334
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Speaker 1: to give a press conference this morning in which he

1335
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Speaker 1: announces his re election days after these indictment charges come down.

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Speaker 3: Will wait and see what he actually says.

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Speaker 1: But the goal to claim some sort of identity based

1338
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: persecution over what are absolutely cartoonish a caricature of corruption

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Speaker 1: in terms of the allegations is just absolutely stunning. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, it is quite the opposite, because again,

1341
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Speaker 1: this is the second time this man has been indicted

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Speaker 1: on corruption charge. Now the other one's got thrown out,

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Speaker 1: and so let's say, in essentil proven guilty all of that.

1344
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Speaker 1: But you would think that perhaps after the first corruption

1345
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: indictment charges, maybe at the very least they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: made him chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget Crystal. It wasn't that they're thrown out. It

1348
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: said it was a hung jury. It wasn't that, you know,

1349
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: it was just a mistrial. So it was one of

1350
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: those where at least some jury they thought he was guilty.

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Speaker 2: He was never declared in is I mean, look, you're

1352
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: guilty before innocent, of course in the American justice system.

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Speaker 2: But I encourage everybody to go and read that original

1354
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: indictment of mister Menendez because it was shocking in twenty seventeen. Now,

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Speaker 2: the of course, cash isn't the only thing he's got

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Speaker 2: in that jacket pocket. He's got the race card that

1357
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Speaker 2: he's got to go ahead, that's all right. And my

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Speaker 2: favorite thing is that after he got the gold, allegedly

1359
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: he googled how much is a kilo of gold worth?

1360
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Speaker 2: On his phone. That's the most boomer thing you can do.

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Speaker 2: They also found the DNA of the people bribing him

1362
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Speaker 2: on that wad of cash. Just by the way, I look,

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Speaker 2: allegedly from the DOJ all of that. So he gives you.

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Speaker 3: There's a perfectly innocent exploration for the ones of for

1365
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: those who wanted dumbars.

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Speaker 2: Sixty six thousand dollars is a kilo of gold and

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Speaker 2: he had two of those. So that sounds nice. What

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Speaker 2: a nice life that two bricks of freaking gold. It's

1369
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Speaker 2: like out of a Bond movie that you were seeing

1370
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Speaker 2: this gentleman. But there have been some people could have

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Speaker 2: been coming out to yeah.

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Speaker 1: So actually the New Jersey delegation has turned on him

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Speaker 1: pretty hard, not across the board, but put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen from the Wall Street Journal. The most critically,

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Speaker 1: the new Jersey Governor Phil Murphy, who is also a Democrat,

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: called for Menandez's resignation. You had a New Jersey representatives

1377
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: Democratic New Jersey representatives including Mikey, Cheryl Bill, Pascal Pascaral Junior,

1378
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,959
Speaker 1: and Josh S. Goottheimer Show favorite calling for him to leave.

1379
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Speaker 1: So far, his senate colleague there, Corey Booker, has been silent,

1380
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Speaker 1: although last time around with the corruption charges, Corey actually

1381
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: came out and affirmatively supported him, So I guess his

1382
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Speaker 1: progress from some direction. You have Representative Don Bayer of Virginia,

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: who's co founder of the Egypt human rights caucus and

1384
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: critic of the current government's human rights record. He said

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Speaker 1: Menendez should step down. You actually have another Democrat representative,

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: Andy Kim, who has jumped into the Democratic primary to

1387
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: directly challenge Menendez in a primary fight for that Senate seat.

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Speaker 1: So Andy cam what he said is that after Culture

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Speaker 1: resign Center, Menandez said, I'm not going anywhere. As a result,

1390
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Speaker 1: I feel compelled to run against him. By the way

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Speaker 1: I looked in Andy Kim is sort of just like

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Speaker 1: very standard issue Democrat more or less.

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Speaker 3: He's voted with Joe.

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: Biden one hundred percent of the time. He hasn't distinguished

1395
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: himself in all that many regards. But anyway, he's just sort.

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Speaker 2: Of like not corrupt. So it seems like or at

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Speaker 2: least as we know it, as far as we do, as.

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Speaker 5: Far as we know.

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Speaker 3: This is New Jersey after all.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, as far as we know, he hasn't been

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: indicted over corruption charges, as Menandez has put this. So

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: we also had to the point of the identity based

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: persecution here. We had very prominent Latina Alexandria Cossio Cortez

1404
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: coming out and also calling for him to resign.

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Speaker 3: List, Take listen.

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Speaker 8: Centaer Bob Menandez of New Jersey, as you know, has

1407
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 8: just been indicted on bribery charges.

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Speaker 3: Should he resign?

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Speaker 8: And what do you think of his statement that it

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Speaker 8: has to do with him being a Latino.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, I think it's the situation is quite unfortunate,

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01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 9: but I do believe that it is in the best

1413
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 9: interests for Senator Menendez to resign in this moment. As

1414
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Speaker 9: you mentioned, consistency matters. It shouldn't matter whether it's a

1415
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Speaker 9: Republican or a Democrat. The details in this indictment are

1416
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 9: extremely serious. They involve the nature of not just his

1417
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 9: but all of our seats in Congress. And while you know,

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 9: as a Latina there are absolutely ways in which there

1419
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 9: is systemic bias, but I think what is here in

1420
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Speaker 9: this indictment is quite clear, and I believe this is

1421
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Speaker 9: in the best interest to maintain the integrity of the seat.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with our LATINX colleague AOC all the time,

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: but you know, first of all, happy she said Latina.

1425
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: At least LATINX appears to have died so far in

1426
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: the lexicon, but she called out him to resign, So

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Speaker 2: you know, props to her. And you know, it's not

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Speaker 2: like it doesn't take actual courage for Democratic lawmakers. I mean,

1429
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: it's no joke. In the Senate, he by all accounts,

1430
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Speaker 2: is going to remain the Senate Foreign Relations chairman Schumer

1431
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: has anything. You know, many of these other senators don't

1432
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: want to cross him, because if you have a single

1433
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: individual thing that you want done, it's not going to happen.

1434
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Speaker 2: He can straight up block it through committee.

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Speaker 1: So so far there has been one senator Democratic senator

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Speaker 1: who has called for him to resign. As John Fetterman

1437
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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, he says, Senator Menendez

1438
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: should resign. I mean, this should be so easy, right,

1439
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: He's entitled to the presumption of innocence, but he cannot

1440
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: continue to wield influence over national policy, especially given the

1441
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: serious and specific nature of the allegations. I hope he

1442
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: chooses an honorable exit and focuses on his trial. Thank you,

1443
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: Centaer Fetterman for saying the most obvious, basic thing that

1444
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: everyone should literally be saying, and is actually worse than

1445
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: Schumer not saying anything. He did put out a statement

1446
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: in which he praised Menendez's service to New Jersey and

1447
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: said he is entitled to a fair trial and innocent

1448
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: until proven guilty. Now he has stepped down from being

1449
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: chair of the Foreign Relations Committee. But Schumer, who is

1450
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: the most critical voice probably in all of this, declining

1451
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: to call on him to resign, along with again literally

1452
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: every other senator Democratic senator save for John Fetterman. Here

1453
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: is Dick Durman, who is another powerful United States Democratic Senator,

1454
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: declining to call for him to step down the stake.

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Speaker 10: Lisson, let me tell you, Dana, this is a very

1456
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 10: serious charge, There's no question about it. But it bears

1457
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 10: reminding us of what I've said about the indictments against

1458
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 10: Donald Trump, equally serious charges. These are, in fact indictments

1459
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 10: that have to be proven. Under the rule of law,

1460
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,879
Speaker 10: the person who is accused is entitled to the presumption

1461
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 10: of innocence, and it's the responsibility of the government to

1462
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 10: prove that case. I said that about Donald Trump, will

1463
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,440
Speaker 10: say the same thing about Bob Menendez in terms of resignation.

1464
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 10: That's a decision to be made by Senator Menendez and

1465
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 10: the people of New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: So he's trying to sound very serious or whatever they're

1467
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: but the bottom line is he won't call on him

1468
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: to resign.

1469
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: So apparently he called for al Frankin to resign the photo.

1470
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Speaker 2: That was enough for Old Dick to come out and

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Speaker 2: say that you got to go. But a straight up

1472
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: federal incitement over corruption is not enough.

1473
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: I mean, which directly impacts his job.

1474
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: I mean al Franken allegedly, you know, grabbing someone's boobs,

1475
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: right that doesn't even have your job as a senator

1476
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: right right, This is you are literally trading your power

1477
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: and influence to do favors for a foreign government. And

1478
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: you people can't bring yourselves to say, hey, maybe this

1479
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: guy is the right one for the job right now

1480
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: while there's an ongoing Democratic primary process. By the way,

1481
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: it's absolute insanity. And Republicans are of course getting excited

1482
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: because Menendez is up for reelection in twenty twenty four,

1483
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: and they're thinking, hey, maybe we got a shot at

1484
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: the seat if it's especially if it's Menendez who ends

1485
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: up being the nominee. He's probably the only Democrat in

1486
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: this era who could lose the New Jersey Senate seat.

1487
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: And yet you know, they're apparently willing to take the

1488
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: risk on him.

1489
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: Look, this time around, you got a Democratic governor already

1490
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: came out and said he should resigned. So it's not

1491
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: even an incident. But apparently, you know, as you were saying,

1492
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 2: he's got a press conference. I think he's going to

1493
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: run for reelection. Everybody thinks that. In the press conference

1494
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 2: from today, he says he's gonna run.

1495
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Speaker 3: That's the expectation.

1496
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: And you know that's the expectation. And guess what he

1497
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: won last time. He's still won despite the fact that

1498
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: he was look in my opinion, he was guilty as

1499
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 2: hell based on the indictment, my own personal opinion of

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Speaker 2: reading of the twenty seventeen original indictment against Menendez. But

1501
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: he beat it at trial in terms of a mistrial.

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: This time around, who knows, you know, who knows? With

1503
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: a new Jersey jury, he has nothing but confidence though

1504
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: walking into this he's going to go and fight it

1505
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: in court and he very well could win, just like

1506
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: he did last time.

1507
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing too, and I'm doing this

1508
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: in my monologue, like the Supreme Court has so limited

1509
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: the definition of corruption, which he used before with Bob

1510
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,480
Speaker 1: McDonald and to cover their own corrupt.

1511
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 3: Behavior, et cetera.

1512
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: So you know, he'll try to use every trick in

1513
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: the book, But I mean, this seems like a pretty

1514
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: difficult one to wiggle your way on when you got

1515
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: the literal gold bars in the closet, I thought the.

1516
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: Same thing about the last one about the private jet travel. Yeah,

1517
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: basic quid pro quote, and he still got off.

1518
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: So I don't know, amazing, Yeah, absolutely amazing. All right,

1519
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 3: So this is kind of interesting.

1520
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: So we've got, you know, in the new TV season

1521
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: or whatever, I think, I guess it's about to drop.

1522
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:01,480
Speaker 1: And so catching Eyes is a new red of The Bachelor,

1523
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: but with the twists.

1524
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen.

1525
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: So it's called The Golden Bachelor Looking for Love and

1526
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: f hickel Bob partner and I actually, unironically, I actually

1527
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: genuinely love this. So this man's name is Jerry Turner.

1528
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: He is the Bachelor. He's in his seventies. It's going

1529
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: to be you know, a group of women who are

1530
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: between sixty and seventy.

1531
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 3: Five who were all vying for his.

1532
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: Affection here in the traditional bachelor style. They say in

1533
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: this New York Times piece that they include divorcees, widows, mothers,

1534
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: and grandmothers. They were talking to the producers of this

1535
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: show and they said that at first, when they brought

1536
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: the contestants into like the Bachelor manch or whatever. I've

1537
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: never watched The Bachelor, but this is my understanding of

1538
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: how the villa works.

1539
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 3: Generally familiar with the product.

1540
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: But they brought them into the Bachelor mansion and they

1541
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: were looking around at the bedrooms and everything, and it

1542
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: was a sort of like typical Bachelor reaction, yelling off

1543
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: the balconies hanging, and they said, Okay, this feels like

1544
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. And then they came down to the kitchen

1545
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: and had mimosas they were doing toasts, and we said, okay,

1546
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: this also feels like the Bachelor. And then one woman said,

1547
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: let's toast to Social Security, Like, all right, that's not

1548
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: the Bachelor.

1549
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 3: That's different.

1550
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: But apparently this is no accident in programming choices.

1551
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen.

1552
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: Also for The New York Times, TV network's Last Best Hope,

1553
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: Boomers viewers have fled primetime lineups for streaming outlets, with

1554
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: one notable exception people over sixty. So basically the only

1555
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: people who are left watching regular TV programs like The

1556
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: Bachelor are all over sixty, and so you know, reading

1557
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: the room, Television networks are increasingly programming for this older audience.

1558
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: Let me and they point specifically to the Golden Bachelor

1559
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: as like case in point of this.

1560
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 3: But here's some of the numbers. This was stunning to me.

1561
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: Just nine years ago, the median age of most top

1562
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: rated network entertainment shows range from the mid forties to

1563
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: the early fifties. Just nine years ago, not even a

1564
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: decade ago. It was forty five for the sitcom How

1565
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 1: I Met Your Mother, fifty two for Big Bang Theory.

1566
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: Some shows like Brooklyn nine nine I had a median

1567
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: viewer as young as thirty nine. Now in the recent

1568
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: most recent network television season, which ended in May, median

1569
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: viewer was older than sixty median including The Voice sixty

1570
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: four point eight, the Mass Singer sixty, Gray's Anatomy sixty four,

1571
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: Young Sheldon sixty five plus the highest range that Nielsen provides.

1572
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: And so it's not just the Golden Bachelor. They're bringing

1573
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: back Law and Order, starring the eighty two year old

1574
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: Sam Waters.

1575
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that when I saw that photo. I'm like, Sam, retirement, man,

1576
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 2: I've been on TV before I was born.

1577
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: So they're bringing back Quantum Leap, which actually as a kid,

1578
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: I used to love watching Quantum Leap.

1579
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: You should not be Magnum Pi.

1580
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: CBS is resurrecting Matt Locke show. They say the Simpsons

1581
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: used to lampoon for its older fan base. Last year,

1582
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: NBC found a surprise hit in night Court, another like

1583
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties era, eighties early nineties era show that I

1584
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: also watched as a child, and they talked about how

1585
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: they intentionally tried to avoid computer screens and other quote

1586
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: trappings of modern life. We really intentionally want a night

1587
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 1: Court to feel like a place a bit frozen in time,

1588
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: was the idea, and apparently it worked for their viewing

1589
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: audience because it was a breakout success the revamped night Court,

1590
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: which I never would have expected.

1591
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 3: So it's kind of interesting.

1592
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, it's fascinating. And the reason why it

1593
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: matters above all is that this is what props up

1594
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: linear television. I've talked a nauseum about cable carriage fees

1595
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: and all that other stuff, but the bedrock, the beating

1596
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: heart of linear TV, of network TV for years was

1597
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: the serialized show The Modern Families. The you know, I'm

1598
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 2: talking more of my era, Like you said, Law and Order,

1599
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: What is an NCIA. I think that's what it's called NCIS. Yeah,

1600
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 2: I think so NCIS, which has various different ones, Law

1601
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: and Order, you know, Law and Order, SPU, the various

1602
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: spinoffs of all that. They were the bedrock of television.

1603
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: It's what kept America interested. It really peaked, in my opinion,

1604
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 2: with Lost back in two thousand and four. It was

1605
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: really like the height of their powers when they were

1606
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: demanding huge amounts of money. But people don't forget this.

1607
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: Lost launched and actually was helped by the Internet. It

1608
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 2: was one of the first forum board TV shows where

1609
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 2: people would talk on forums about what was going on

1610
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: with Lost, and that really presses the eventual move to

1611
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 2: streaming television and really a collapse of the funding model,

1612
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: because the thing is that these shows and the whole

1613
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: anchor you know that they present at these big conferences,

1614
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: helped prop up an entire advertising scheme which came in

1615
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: the middle of commercial breaks. And now almost a decade

1616
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: into the Netflix, HBO, Peacock and all these other eras,

1617
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: a lot of that has really gone. You know, even

1618
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: the ads that we watched on those streaming services, if

1619
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: you're ad supported, they're like fifteen second spots for some

1620
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: idiot state farm ad. You know, it's not the original

1621
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: ads that demand the premiums that once were. It's really interesting.

1622
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: You know, there was a do you remember that you

1623
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: ever watched The West Wing is? Yeah, so like The

1624
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: West Wing for example, one of the reasons why it

1625
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: went on for seven seasons was that it was one

1626
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: of the only shows that got rich people to watch

1627
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: network TV. And so even though the audience wasn't that big,

1628
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 2: it was like doctors and lawyers and the intellectual class.

1629
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 3: That's the whole business, CNBC business.

1630
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 2: And they were able to NBC at that point was

1631
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: printing money off of The West Wing Er for example,

1632
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: was another long serialized one. And look, I enjoyed some

1633
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: of these shows, you know at the time and all that,

1634
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: but I think they died, you know, a good death

1635
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: for reason. And I think it's very sad actually, the

1636
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: fact that it is now effectively an elderly market. We

1637
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: already saw this fight that just happened with ESPN Disney

1638
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: with the what was it, the I forget who the

1639
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 2: cable carric Charter Communications. That's right, this is the future.

1640
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 2: I mean, very soon you're gonna move to an era

1641
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: where the cable bundle is diminishing, like nobody's business. Once

1642
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: sports goes fully online, it is dead, absolutely dead, and

1643
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: with that will come the collapse of NBC Nightly News,

1644
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: ABC World twenty twenty or whatever these programs are, and

1645
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: the Today Show, a lot of these things. I mean,

1646
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,839
Speaker 2: these programs were hundreds of million dollars. At one point,

1647
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: Matt Lauer was single handedly responsible for almost a billion

1648
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: in ad revenue for what was going on over I mean,

1649
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 2: what are they making today, maybe one hundred mil. And

1650
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 2: then you know, I'm talking. You know, obviously that's a

1651
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: lot of money, but that's like one tenth of what

1652
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: they used to make over there, So you got to

1653
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 2: think about it that way.

1654
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the business piece is really fascinating to me.

1655
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: And I mean the sad reality that's increasingly coming into

1656
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: view is, you know, the thought was alwould be better

1657
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: for consumers once you weren't paying for the whole cable

1658
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: news bundle, But increasingly people are paying more for like

1659
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: eighteen different streaming services and getting less. So it hasn't

1660
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: worked out for consumers the way that one might hope

1661
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: that it.

1662
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: I think we'll get there. We're in a chaos era.

1663
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, we'll see, but you know, in

1664
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: terms of the cultural representation piece though, like with the

1665
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: Golden Bachelor and whatever, I'm actually here for it.

1666
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was Kyle watching golf all the time.

1667
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: It's always onto the background and the golf channel, and

1668
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: he watches TV like he's an old band. It's like

1669
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: Golf channel and Weather Channel. It's like eighty year olds

1670
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: and Kyle are watching these channels. But anyway, they played

1671
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: this senior women's golf tour on the channel, and actually

1672
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: really appreciate it because so much of representation of older

1673
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: women in particular, it's like very limited.

1674
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 3: In terms of television.

1675
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: I feel like older men, you know, the Saltan Pepper

1676
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: like demonair, older guy like that's been a thing for

1677
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: a while. But to see these older women, many of

1678
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 1: whom just look like a regular old grandma out there

1679
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: doing these incredible athletic feats and like, you know, they

1680
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: were amazing on the golf course. It was kind of cool.

1681
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: And so I'm for the Golden Bachelor. I'm excited to

1682
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: see what this is all about. Like these the dude

1683
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: is less interesting to me than the fact that they're

1684
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 1: actually going to have women who are age appropriate to

1685
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: him right, who are vying for his attention. So I'm

1686
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: kind of here for the cool old grama representation that

1687
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: this new era could represent.

1688
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: I agree. I just think though it's an example of

1689
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 2: the original age of the mass market TV show, which

1690
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: could appeal to tens of millions.

1691
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely that's gone.

1692
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: I mean I lost, yeah, And.

1693
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: That's the thing with you know, boomers, this has been

1694
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: their whole life has been centered around like when I

1695
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: get home and in the primetime shows, like we sit

1696
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: down as a family, and like the TV is central,

1697
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: and so they're just that habit is not going to

1698
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: break because it's been a lifelong habit whereas for younger generations,

1699
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: you know, they've they've evaluated the landscape and switched over

1700
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: more readily and more easily. And the other issue that's

1701
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 1: a problem for the networks in terms of the business

1702
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: model is it's still what they call the key demo,

1703
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: which I think like twenty five fifty four where advertisers

1704
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: that's what you sell your ad revenue based on because

1705
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: that's the group that is most lucrative that advertisers really

1706
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: want to reach. So when all of your audiences are

1707
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: like freaking say, sixty five years old. I mean that's

1708
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: the other issue for them in terms of the advertising model.

1709
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 2: Some of the numbers you guys won't even believe, Like

1710
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 2: I just looked it up. The season three premiere of

1711
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: Loss got eighteen point eight million US viewers. That is

1712
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 2: so that's like one tenth of the adult population. And

1713
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 2: I remember it as a communal experience as I still

1714
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: love that show. But you know that those days they

1715
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 2: are long long gone. So you're going to see more

1716
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: of the golden Batcheler's and hey, more power to them.

1717
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 2: But from a funding and a business point of view,

1718
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: in a mass market, mass cultures point of view, that

1719
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: thing is that's a ship sale. That is a white

1720
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: flag surrender for what they're doing. Indeed, Chris al Woad,

1721
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: you take a look at.

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01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:42,879
Speaker 1: In a single day, two instances of absolutely cartoonish corruption

1723
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: were revealed among some of America's most powerful elites. Senator

1724
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: Bob Menendez, chair of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, was

1725
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: indicted again once again. The senator stands accused of accepting cash,

1726
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: gold bars, house payments, a luxury vehicle, and other gifts

1727
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 1: in exchange for doing favors for Egyptian businessmen and the

1728
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: Egyptian government. And at the same time Pro Publica dropped

1729
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: their latest investigation into the brazen corruption of Supreme Court

1730
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: Justice Clarence Thomas, who has arguably arguably become the most

1731
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: ideologically influential justice on this conservative court. In this latest piece,

1732
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: they detail how Thomas was groomed by conservative billionaires over

1733
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: years attending ultra elite Bohemian grove retreats. These ties not

1734
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: only result in all of those luxury trips in private

1735
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: school tuition and payments for his mother's home for millionaire

1736
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: Harlan Crow, but also led to a relationship with the

1737
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 1: most influential big money network in the entire country, the

1738
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: Coke Network. Justice Thomas went on to flagrantly disregard any

1739
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: conflict of interest concerns by raising money for the Cokes

1740
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that they routinely have cases

1741
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: in front of the court. Of course, none of this

1742
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: objectly corrupt behavior was disclosed to the public, in what

1743
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: appears to be a clear violation of federal ethics laws. Now,

1744
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: these stories may seem kind of unrelated, different parties details ideologies,

1745
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: but they hold in common quite a lot. As it

1746
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: turns out, from their grotesque betrayal of public trust to

1747
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: the code of silence and complicity among leads that enables

1748
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: such absolutely outlandish behavior. Both stories of corruption stand out

1749
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: for their direct impact on policymaking at the very highest levels.

1750
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: As chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Menendez's

1751
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: influence on our nation's foreign policy was second only to

1752
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: the President himself, and all the while he has apparently

1753
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: been available for what, in the grand scheme of foreign governments,

1754
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: was a cheap price. Egyptian businessmen were allegedly able to

1755
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: buy this guy for a few hundred thousand dollars of bargain.

1756
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: Considering the power that he wields and the favors he

1757
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: was able to allegedly provide, the impact of Clarence Thomas's

1758
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: corrupt dealings with the Cokes and other libertarian billionaires is,

1759
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: if anything, even more far reaching. The Cox looks set

1760
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 1: to win one of their longtime goals in this upcoming

1761
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: Supreme Court term, stripping federal agencies of much of their

1762
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: power regulate anything from clear air and water to labor

1763
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: rights to consumer protections. This issue, the so called Chevron deference,

1764
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: is a libertarian billionaire obsession and lo and behold. As

1765
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Thomas has been fetted and lavish with gifts by the

1766
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: very businessman most influential in pushing the end of Chevron,

1767
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: his position on this issue has totally flipped. Thomas once

1768
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: authored a major defense of Chevron and the ability of

1769
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: federal agencies to regulate in areas where congressional intent is ambiguous,

1770
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: but his billionaire buddies appear to have successfully changed his mind.

1771
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 3: Thomas has since.

1772
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: Repudiated his previous position and looks set to help end Chevron,

1773
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 1: granting his billionaire benefactors their fondish wish and recapping the

1774
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: ability of the federal government to protect the rights of

1775
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: ordinary Americans. But it's not just their powerful impact on

1776
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: our democracy that unites. These two instances of corruption at

1777
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: the very highest level. Both stem from the very same

1778
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: rotten roots. In fact, no institution has done more to

1779
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: legalize and normalize corruption than the Supreme Court. David Sorrotov

1780
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,799
Speaker 1: Lever News has been making this point very powerfully. He writes,

1781
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: if proven true, the sordid details of the indictment of

1782
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: center of Menendez reflect a country whose billionaire owned Supreme

1783
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: Court has been explicitly telling politicians that flagrant grotesque corruption

1784
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: will now be considered perfectly legal. In twenty sixteen, justices

1785
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: unanimously overturn the corruption conviction of former Virginia Governor MacDonell,

1786
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:28,879
Speaker 1: essentially saying gifts may be exchanged for certain government favors.

1787
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: Menendez weaponize that to fight a past indictment, and will

1788
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: likely try to do so again. Scotis justices now have

1789
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,520
Speaker 1: a personal motive to try to protect Menendez from prosecutors.

1790
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: Justice's own acceptance of gifts from those with businesses before

1791
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: the court mimics the alleged scheme detailed in the Menande's indictment.

1792
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices will likely be personally averse to criminalizing

1793
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: the same behavior we now know that they themselves routinely

1794
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 1: engage in. Now this is just the most explicit, codified

1795
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: way in which elites enable corruption. Just behold the silence,

1796
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: though from most corners surrounding these new stunning developments. In

1797
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: response to Menendez once again facing indictment for insane levels

1798
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: of corruption. As of this writing, one of his Senate

1799
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Democratic colleagues has called for his resignation. Just one kudos

1800
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: to John Fetterman for doing that and this code of

1801
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: silence and protection comes all the way from the top.

1802
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 3: Majority leader. Schumer not only.

1803
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: Declined to call for Menendez to step down, but took

1804
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: this opportunity to praise him as a dedicated public servant

1805
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: who is quote always fighting hard for the people of

1806
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Of course, according to the indictment, he was

1807
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: in reality fighting hard for some shady Egyptian businessmen, not

1808
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: so much for the people of New Jersey. Meanwhile, Chief

1809
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: Justice John Roberts, who supposedly cares so deeply about the

1810
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: institution of the Court, has done nothing but stonewall any

1811
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: attempts at real reform. Remember, the Supreme Court, alone among

1812
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: federal courts, has no code of ethics, allowing justices to

1813
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: engage in whatever twisted, brazen levels of corruption that they

1814
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: could justify to themselves, because they don't have to justify

1815
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: it to us. None of Thomas's fellow justices have spoken

1816
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: a single critical word against his enrichment by a powerful

1817
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: network of billionaires and conservative activists. And the reason why

1818
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: is pretty simple. Because so many elite politicians are guilty

1819
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,959
Speaker 1: of some level of corruption, even if not as cartoonish

1820
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,440
Speaker 1: as Menandez or Thomas. There is a sort of principle

1821
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: of mutually assured destruction that ends.

1822
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 3: Up reigning supreme.

1823
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: They all keep their mouths shut and the status quo

1824
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: locked in because their own hands are not clean. That's

1825
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: why stock trading remains. That's why anti corruption laws are loosen,

1826
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: and even when politicians and their aids are indicted, they

1827
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: frequently get let off. These men believe the rules do

1828
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: not apply to them, and unfortunately, too often they are correct.

1829
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: And that is what enables it.

1830
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 2: Because you have and if you want to hear my

1831
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 2: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

1832
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: Breakingpoints dot com.

1833
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 3: All right, sorry, were looking at.

1834
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 2: Of all the causes that I've been early to, perhaps

1835
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: the call I'm most proud of to be attached to

1836
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 2: is calling critical race theory and many of the huckster's

1837
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 2: complete grifters from the beginning. Nobody much cared in twenty eighteen.

1838
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen about critical race theory or emerging con

1839
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 2: artists like Nicole Hannah Jones and Ibram Kendy, but I

1840
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: had my eye on them. Those who want to see

1841
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: can go back and watch rising coverage from at that

1842
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: time of me calling them out if you're interested. I

1843
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 2: saw them clearly for what they were, nothing more than

1844
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 2: modern day race hosters, capitalizing on the guilds of white

1845
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: liberals to both enrich themselves, advance their careers, and destroy

1846
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: any social fabric left in this country that is not

1847
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 2: obsessed with race. Jones, Kendy, Robin DiAngelo. They had one

1848
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: single mission, convinced the elites in this country there is

1849
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 2: one source for all of our problems and nothing else race.

1850
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 2: This is reductive and a false view of history, but

1851
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: it was successful. Ultraliberals on campuses were beginning to be indoctrinated,

1852
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: slowly but surely. In Infrastructure was built up all throughout

1853
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and nineteen for the perfect moment, and luckily

1854
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 2: for them, it came with the BLM riots of twenty twenty.

1855
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: White liberals and corporations suddenly began playing Olympics to see

1856
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: who could outwoke or out virtue signal each other, and

1857
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 2: these people were happy to take their money. Kendy, especially Kendy,

1858
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: is unsurprisingly the dumbest and yet the most successful amongst them.

1859
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: He has written several books about quote anti racism. He

1860
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 2: advocates for such ideas as a constitutional anti racist amendment,

1861
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: literal race discrimination in favor of blacks, and brainwashing children

1862
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: from a young age about his view of race. Every

1863
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 2: genderquer bookstore in this country has his book bury at

1864
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 2: the front row, and billionaires have flooded this man with

1865
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 2: money to continue his important work. He decided to use

1866
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: that money in conjunction with Boston University to create a

1867
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 2: new center and henceforwarth In twenty twenty, the Center for

1868
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: Anti Racist Research was born. It sounds as smart as

1869
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: the Zoolander one, now endowed with tens of millions of

1870
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: dollars and a new mandate to research and promote the

1871
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 2: anti racist cump. Three years later, though, it turns out

1872
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 2: the entire thing was as much of a grift as

1873
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 2: a con as I thought from the very beginning. More

1874
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,919
Speaker 2: than half of the employees of the center were abruptly

1875
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: fired just recently after Kenny has apparently burned through much

1876
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 2: of forty three million dollars. In that time period. They

1877
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 2: have produced no real research, applied for and given grants

1878
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 2: with no work output, no real original work to speak of.

1879
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: In fact, one professor at the university said Kenny quote

1880
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 2: had a pattern of amassing grants without any commitment to

1881
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 2: producing the research obligated, adding that, to the best of

1882
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 2: my knowledge, there is no good faith commitment to fulfilling

1883
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: funded research projects. She wrote that in twenty twenty one,

1884
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: instead of thanking her, the university retaliated against her, refusing

1885
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 2: to even renew her affiliation. The grift is now so

1886
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,799
Speaker 2: obvious Boston University has had to launch an official inquiry

1887
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: into Kendy's leadership. They note that originally the center was

1888
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: supposed to track racial disparities nationwide, have a graduate degree program,

1889
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: a media enterprise, and research teams on semic racism. Only

1890
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 2: one of those projects ever came to fruition, a half

1891
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 2: assed media project, the so called Racial Data Tracker, did not,

1892
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: which was supposed to be the centerpiece for all their

1893
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 2: work and their funding. As for the graduate degree programs, nope,

1894
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 2: nowhere to be seen. In fact, it turns out that

1895
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 2: Kendy for the last several months, has been on leave

1896
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: from his own center that he was supposed to be running,

1897
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 2: why to work on things like his podcast, his new

1898
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: ESPN Plus series about racism and sports called Skin in

1899
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 2: the Game, And while he's rolling in corporate cash and

1900
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 2: enriching himself. The people who worked there saw him quote

1901
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 2: as a tool of capitalism, and would often exploit them

1902
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: and their label labor. One professor called it a colossal

1903
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 2: waste of millions of dollars and noted that Kenny's work

1904
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: was thought to even be influenced by many of the

1905
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 2: billionaire donors who had backed him and the university, including

1906
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 2: rolling out the red carpet for big pharma executives. It

1907
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: would all be funny if millions of people had not

1908
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: bought this idiot's book and shoved it down their children's throat.

1909
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 2: The media had not celebrated him with some modern, modern

1910
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: day Frederick Douglass for a while in this country, as

1911
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 2: I said, you couldn't even go into a bookstore or

1912
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble without seeing how to be an anti

1913
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 2: racist or anti racist baby prominently displayed. You couldn't turn

1914
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 2: on the TV or watch a movie without having this

1915
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: racialism at the center. And how many of us couldn't

1916
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 2: even open social media without seeing his signature quote. It's

1917
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,879
Speaker 2: not enough to not be racist, you must be actively

1918
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 2: anti racist. It was everywhere. The collapse of the Kendy Center,

1919
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: the wasting of millions of dollars it's the latest casualty

1920
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: of the BLM movement. Who can forget the BLM executive

1921
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 2: coccused of stealing ten million dollars of donor funds who

1922
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 2: use them as a quote personal piggybank, or the multi

1923
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 2: million dollar mansions that were purchased by these groups leaders.

1924
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 2: I am hard pressed really to think of a single

1925
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 2: major figure in the so called movement who got prominent

1926
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 2: after Ferguson, who hasn't turned out to be a grifter

1927
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 2: rather than one who is honest. And I'm going to

1928
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 2: end with this. The billionaires and the frankly rich white liberals,

1929
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 2: they owe only themselves to blame. These people were never

1930
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 2: hidden who they are. Nicole Hannah Jones famously appeared in

1931
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 2: a so called racial justice movement sponsored by Shell Corporation.

1932
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 2: Anti racism has always been a tool of the billionaire

1933
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 2: class to distract and to divide the populace. It is

1934
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 2: not an accident that it was the prevailing thought after BLM,

1935
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 2: and is certainly not an accent that despite all these revelations,

1936
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: all of us know this. Kendy's going to get away

1937
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 2: with it. ESPN the podcast. He'll still be called for

1938
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 2: commentary during the next racial incendiary moment. The grift is

1939
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 2: the point. The only thing we can do is not

1940
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 2: buy into it next time. I mean, Crystal, it's been

1941
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: it's I mean, I know you're no fan of Ibram Kennedy,

1942
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 2: but he was the perfect person. You know. I have

1943
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 2: a funny story. I was in a book club and

1944
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen I think that was Stamped by Racism.

1945
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: That was a stamp by race or whatever it was called.

1946
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,560
Speaker 2: It was the first time I remember this is the

1947
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 2: It was a trash book. But one of the guys

1948
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 2: in charge was I'm not going to give away the name.

1949
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 2: He was like a dean of a liberal arts college,

1950
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: and he's like, I think this really speaks to to me.

1951
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 2: And I brought up some of the class concerns, even

1952
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 2: at that time, before I even started the show with you,

1953
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 2: and it was like I was speaking gibberish to this ma.

1954
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 2: He said, no, no addresses that in the book. All class

1955
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,679
Speaker 2: concerns are downstream of race. And I was like, well, okay,

1956
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 2: hold on a second here. Now, we would be fools

1957
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,440
Speaker 2: to say that it's not deeply intertwined. But the causality

1958
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: and then the things that they reach for as their

1959
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 2: solutions are obviously very much at odds for a lot

1960
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 2: of what we believe in here at this show.

1961
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean this times in perfectly with Freddie Debor's latest

1962
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,560
Speaker 1: books that we interviewed him about how elites hijack the

1963
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: social justice movement as I think what it's called. And look,

1964
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: capitalism has created a class race stratified society very intentionally,

1965
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,560
Speaker 1: and there is no doubt that black people, starting with

1966
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: slavery and throughout our history have been completely screwed by

1967
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:44,759
Speaker 1: our system. And so what really discussed me about people

1968
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: like Kenny is that they use these moments when there's

1969
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: a genuine desire.

1970
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Speaker 3: To do better.

1971
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: There was, I mean, there was a collective outpouring of

1972
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: grief and concern and desire to change and all of

1973
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: these things in the you know, during the BLM moment

1974
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: after George Floyd was murdered. And so when you had

1975
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: people like you know, Kendy and people like the you know,

1976
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 1: the BLM leaders who sucked up all of these millions

1977
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: of dollars and activist energy and then channeled them into

1978
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: things that oftentimes, I mean Kenny's programs were found at

1979
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the corporate level to actually exacerbate racism, like you took

1980
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: this I'm going to say, you stole this.

1981
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Speaker 3: Money and did nothing with it at this center.

1982
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Speaker 2: Anybody worse.

1983
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Speaker 1: And it's no surprise because of course, like any this

1984
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: is the way, this is the way capitalism works. Right,

1985
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: You have this moment of what could have been a

1986
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: real reckoning that could have really transformed things in a

1987
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,719
Speaker 1: better way for everyone, and most of all for black

1988
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 1: people who have been oppressed for far too long. And

1989
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: so they look at that not as like, oh, how

1990
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: can we make things better, but like.

1991
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Speaker 3: How can we turn a profit?

1992
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: How well can we you know, put up our Black

1993
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,839
Speaker 1: Lives Matter banner on our website? How can we hire

1994
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: this anti racism consultant and do a little dance like

1995
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 1: we're so virtuous and like we really care about these

1996
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:17,839
Speaker 1: issues without actually really changing anything. And so lo and behold,

1997
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened, and no one should be surprised

1998
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: when this is the ultimate outcome of his you know,

1999
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Speaker 1: quote unquote Think Tank or Center or whatever the hell

2000
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Speaker 1: is thinking and.

2001
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Speaker 2: The words of the great Eric Hoffer. Every great cause

2002
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 2: begins as a movement, becomes a business, eventually degenerates into

2003
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 2: a racket. There you go, sad to say. All right, guys,

2004
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Speaker 2: we're gonna have a great show for everybody tomorrow. We've

2005
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 2: got special debate coverage planned as we said, so go

2006
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Speaker 2: ahead and become a premium member today if you are able. Otherwise,

2007
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 2: we're excited to see you all tomorrow and it's gonna

2008
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Speaker 2: be a fun week Here of the show.