WEBVTT - Tales from the Curl Keeper (with Joelle Monique) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.519 Hey, do you want to see me in Langston Live 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.920 in the Flesh looking cute. We'll come on out to 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.040 the Allegian Theater where we are doing a live version 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.440 of My mama told me the first live version featuring 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.080 Langston and myself. Hell yeah, my mama told me live 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:21.400 David and myself together. We're gonna be doing the damn 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.079 thing at the Allegian Theater February seven thirty pm. We 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:26.680 would love for you to see it. We're gonna have 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.319 special guests. We're gonna have Q and A. We're gonna 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.400 throw stuff at the audience. Probably it's gonna be Mayhem 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.280 Lanson is gonna numb Chuck. I'm bringing my gosh darn 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:42.160 numb chucks. So get those tickets www dot Allegian Theater 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:50.320 dot com. Backslash Shows Backslash My bab told me, bam, 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.000 because I had a had a Ron Harper basketball card. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.960 Do you remember run Harper and he had the double 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.640 part he had the double, remember, and I asked my 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.520 mom to give me a double and it too good? 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.200 And I thought it wouldn't know why he got double right, No, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.280 that's because he's stuttered and he would always say things twice. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.959 Are you serious? No, I just made it. But but 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.600 wouldn't that be fun if that's why you did it? Yeah, 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.160 that would be amazing. That would have been an amazing area. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:22.840 I would wouldn't that being cool with Ron? I was 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.200 always like, man, I'd be saying stuff twice? So did 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:49.680 you take that to the Barkner Shop Tomorrow's racist money stuff? 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:57.560 I can't tell me? Yes, sir, there it is Welcome 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.800 back to another week of my Mama told me the 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.440 podcast where we got deep, deep into the pockets of 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.480 black conspiracy theories and we weren't to prove that Vince 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:15.760 Staples is in fact heir to the Staples stationers store fortune. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.000 It is a black owned company, y'all. How do you 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.560 think he takes so much time off music and still 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.120 has all that money? Also? Why is sprite so expensive 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.200 in there? You tell me whoa Well, you're coming in 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.079 with with two heavy things that that I think are 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.919 worth discussing. Number one, This starts to make me think 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.760 maybe that's the reason they replace the Staples Center. Do 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.160 you know what I mean? That? Like that the the Lord, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.359 the patriarch of the Staples family might be on a deathbed. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.040 He might get his way out of here. They don't 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.560 want Vince Staples to come in and make the Staples 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.320 Centers what we want it to be. What it's always 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:03.480 been meant to be, so they it's always been meant 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:10.560 to be black owned. It's always it was always meant 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.360 to be black owned. It was there was supposed to 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.000 be incense and dar chikis and come on, I never 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.880 you know what, I didn't believe you, but I was 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.440 gonna go with it because I'm in this one. Vince 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.240 Staples was gonna take that ship over and they couldn't 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:39.880 have that, so they sold it off. Vince Stapless, Lord Staples, 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:50.640 first of his name. No, they couldn't handle it, so 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.040 they sold our ship off. And then on top of that, 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:59.000 they made sprite the most expensive sprite can be Staples. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.720 One time, it was like yeah, no, they're They're like, hey, 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.680 we are charging the fuck if you want sprite that 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.680 bad to buy it at his Staples, you are paying 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:15.040 Hawaiian prices. Yeah, what am I going to know? You 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.919 know what I mean? You know what I'm getting. It's green. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.280 You know, I'm thirsty as funk if I'm buying it here, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:25.080 And yeah, I have no other choice, Staples, I'm out 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.920 of options, So yeah, i'll pay. I'll pay a surcharge 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:33.960 for that ship. I'll away. You know, you know who 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.920 is probably much more thoughtful about all of her her things, 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:43.680 besides accusing than Staples of somehow sitting on billions of 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.200 secret dollars that he can't access. Is our guest today. 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.640 I think she She seems like a much more reasonable, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:55.080 much more well well considered person. She she is a podcaster, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.520 she's a journalist, a culture critic, she's an executive producer. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.960 At my heart, she she does it all. And she 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:06.720 just so happens to be the sister, the older sister 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.039 of our our very beloved editor for this show, a man, 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.400 a man who we respect dearly. And Cherry, I know 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.680 you were just trying to play him out not five 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.640 minutes ago. Sure, I told him he looked like a cop. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.000 But you say that, you say that, sans Beard with 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.680 a part in your head. That's a bold statement. Buddy. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.920 I'm lashing out. They made me look ridiculous, and I'm 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.440 just trying to hurt the people closest to me. We 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.800 love Justin. He does phenomenal word and we couldn't be 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.560 more excited than his sister, but a much, a much, 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.719 very talented person outside of just his sister. She's joining 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.800 us today. Please give it up for our guests, Miss 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.880 Joel Monique. I think I'm looking forward to cracking up. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.720 I hope I can, like you, totally crack up. So 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:02.040 I haven't like totally cracked up in a long time. Yeah, 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.400 that's how we do. Intros around here. Are welcome. Hey, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.640 thanks so much for having me. I feel kind of great. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.080 You guys are like she, She seems like he has 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.560 your ship together. It means whatever I'm projecting is working. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.240 The lies out there, strong and going. This is totally 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:22.560 a together woman to us. We love it. We're impressed 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:27.280 over this one. Yeah, you impressed. This whole part perfect. Perfect. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.520 So you came to us with a conspiracy theory. I'm 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.920 very excited to jump into this. You came to us 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.839 with the conspiracy theory that I feel like I've heard 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:46.200 versions of, but never quite this specifically phrase you said, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.760 My mama told me if you cut a girl's here 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:59.320 before her first birthday, she'll be cursed with bad here. Yes, yes, 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.360 I loves everything. I like. Every culture has a version 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.800 of this story. I used to work at a children's 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:11.440 hair salon, and like the northern part of Chicago, so 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.560 you know, like all these rich kids come in and 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.560 get their hair cut. But it's like it was a 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.120 Diasti in Chicago, so you know, the Diastera is very 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.480 mixed and blended. And there was a lot of concern 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.320 about like is it time to cut my daughter's hair. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.520 If I cut it, well I ruin it, which is 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.800 a ridiculous. We could just up front said it's a 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:32.000 ridiculous statement, like and it changes every seven years. There's 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.280 a way changes every seven years. Okay, as you evolve 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.960 and grow. There's at no point in time will cutting 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.760 your hair affect how it comes out of your head. However, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.440 the superstition is really strong. Moms particularly really freak out 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.240 about it. They want their girls to have I think 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.240 in the black community it's all about curl pattern and 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.080 jacking that up too early, that you've got that lovely 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.160 baby hair when you're little. They want to keep that 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.200 intact into your older ages as long as possible. So 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.320 don't cut it. Do you cut it? How short? All 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.760 of that like, it has real importance. I remember in 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.200 the white community, we would not like cut girl's hair 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.000 until they're like four or five. Typically like you got 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.560 a haircut way later if you're a white little girl, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.440 which I always found very interesting. They were not keep 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.720 so so for the black parents that they were more 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:26.520 often cutting the girl's hair early, just not at one, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.520 so like at three they're coming in cutting yeah, two 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.240 or three, like let's keep it even, you know, especially 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.880 as the natural came into popularity again, we're seeing like, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.760 let's make sure the frozen not to uneven. Can't we 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.720 just either that or they were taking them to a 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.560 braider and be like, let's just keep this braided up 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.440 and going. We'll just trim the ends, get you that 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.040 long hair by the time you hit first grade. These 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.160 are the poles. I feel like for most people, well, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.600 you already debunked it because I was like, oh, this 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.920 is for sure true. I was about you didn't you 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.720 didn't say in the least bit, uh, fully on board 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.280 with the premise, And then Joel was like, I I 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.040 don't believe any of this and it's nonsense. I was. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:07.840 I thought I was totally true because I had like, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.960 not me, I, but my little brothers they have nicer 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.240 hair than me, and that we didn't cut their until 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.000 they were like three or four, And I guess I 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.400 always thought that there was something I don't know in 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.559 my head. It's like something like you gotta grow into 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.400 it first before you let it reset or something. I 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.920 don't have any science on this, but that is I 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.560 never heard that seven years ship ever, I believe it. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.840 I'm just saying I never had heard that was the 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.640 first for me, and I I also was like seven years. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.040 I didn't read none about those seven years, but you 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.319 seemed very confident, and in that way, I was gonna 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:52.640 nod through it. I would again, I would say, just 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.400 it'sfore I would say my purview is specifically for a 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.200 class of people that do not mind spending like twenty 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.520 to sixty dollars on their child's hair cut. It's not 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.920 a green eclipse where you're just like shearing children. They 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.960 were like, we need trendy styles and like okay. So 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.080 for white little girls, it was like the classic Bob 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.840 Like they would come in, they'd have their long hair 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.160 their whole lives. They've been growing out since babies, and 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.240 when they hit like between first and third grade, suddenly 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.920 as like a sign of maturity or like a year 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.839 older now, or maybe mom's just tired of doing the hair. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.840 Whatever the reason, they came in and they got the 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.280 same like under the ear tucked bob all of them. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.199 It was like a standard for like two of my 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.800 like stylist when I was working at the salon. So 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.520 I just think that, like, you know, okay, for in 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.680 the white community, it's all about like their girls tend 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.560 to be blonde for longer. It was like, just let's 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.800 have this long, blonde, shining hair going around with your 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.880 little When you're older, you could start taking care of 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.839 your own hair, will do a big chop, You're good 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.760 to go. For black girls, I felt like it's a 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.360 lot about just curl pattern and keeping that consistent as 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.760 they grow up and giving them more options with their 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.320 hair as they're older. I think there's a lot of 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.360 fear of some how damaging it so they won't be 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:03.880 able to write natural, or they'll only be able to 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.400 wear it straight or whatever. There's so much anxiety about 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.319 how our hair is going to come out of our heads, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.079 how we'll be perceived for that. Well, I guess that's 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.640 that's one of the questions that it's sort of like 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.840 is leading me to, is how much of this do 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.400 you feel like it's just some weird internalized racism, do 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:24.800 you know what I mean that? Like, some of it 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.480 almost reads like that we can only be pure at 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.360 a certain point, and if we somehow unleash ourselves of 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.360 this purity, we we become less good for the white 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.839 man and his appearances and expectations whatever the fun. I 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.720 think it's a heavy dose of racism and misogyny. Right. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:49.160 So I was talking to somebody who just had a 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.959 baby girl, and she was all excited, and every time 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.600 she told people she was pregnant with a girl, they 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.920 would be like, I'm so sorry. Girls are terrible, so difficult. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:05.400 She's gonna steal your beauty, She'll steal your day, right. 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.600 I think, even if it's not misogynistic, that's a pretty 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.880 crazy thing to say to somebody that this baby is 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:23.400 is gonna fucking maleficent you your youth in six to 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:28.200 nine months. Face. I mean that is And I think 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.480 like some people feel like in competition with their daughters, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.000 they're like, oh, now she's beautiful, and she's like, you know, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.240 got the lime white for whatever he's It's a very 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.760 weird attitude for people to take on that we've seen 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.760 it and it's weird and I think in real life. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:46.760 But then on the flip side is that you have 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.040 a lot of moms who sort of live curiously through 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.400 their daughters and their beauty and they're like, I have 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.920 the most beautiful daughter and my friend group she's she's marrying. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.040 She's like, look at these guys that are after her, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.800 like literally showing us like recently head dinner with my 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.360 mom and a bunch of her friends. Um, like this 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:09.880 feels very Yeah, she's wearing a green shirt. She keeps 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.480 asking where is the bathroom? But she doesn't get up 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.600 to use the bathroom. But I think that there's a 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.400 lot to be said about like the fear around like 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.880 is your daughter gonna be so beautiful that it's going 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.400 to be a problem. Is your daughter going to be 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.560 more beautiful than you? Is your daughter going to be accepted? Period? 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.760 Around like their hair? And then like that's one of 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.720 the first major decisions you make as a parent, right, 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.760 like what are we Like we got their clothes, their 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.920 room is kind of set up, They've gotten all their 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.720 shots and doctors stuff, Like a lot of the big 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.680 scary stuff is out of the way. But then it's 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.680 like when do we cut their hair? And here is 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.600 so personal to us, Like do you all remember your 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.160 first haircut or did your parents take video of it 0:13:50.200 --> 0:14:04.400 at all? I I don't remember. America's funniest no, we 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.199 did not have was a lot. I worked out we 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.160 would do a first haircut package where we would like 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.719 film it. Of course, now your parents have like cellphones 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.880 and stuff, but I think even back in the day, 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.240 you would have people coming like film it, like it's 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.840 a momentous occasion, like this is the very first time, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.040 and some really traumatic experience is connected to that. I 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.280 don't know that that was treated that way in my home, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.080 but maybe that's just because my parents are who they are. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.000 But I can't imagine it was even like I I 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.320 can't imagine my hair ever got even that one. I 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.760 I bet it was pretty young I got my first one. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.760 I think I similarly don't know that my hair got 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.120 like crazy long, but it probably like was throwed out 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.160 when I was like a baby and a kid from 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.280 my I remember specifically asking my mom because my mom 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.720 used to cut my hair and I thought she was 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.120 good at it, but it turns out who she wasn't. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:06.240 She got outside The first haircut I remember is asking 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.000 my mom for a Michael Jordan's haircut. I wanted to 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.480 look like Michael Jordan's because I'm a kid in Chicago. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:20.960 I wanted to be bald like Michael Jordan's because I was. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.680 It was, it wasn't crazy. There were people doing the thing, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.400 you know what I mean. I I said, give me 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.120 the Michael Jordan's. She was like, I don't think you 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.880 want the Michael Jordan. I was like, give me that 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:41.200 goddamn Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan, swear to God. And she 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:46.080 finally gave me what. What was her negotiation with the baldy. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.680 She just like buzzed it super low and I cried 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.880 for it was the worst choice I could have made, 0:15:55.080 --> 0:16:00.840 was was having that. Of course they did look at this, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.640 this bald scalp and not slap the ship out of it. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.960 I remember. I remember my mom cut my hair for 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.560 a long time too, and she gave me a part one. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.200 Speaking of parts, she gave me a man. It was. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:20.440 It was. It wasn't that she gave me the double 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.080 and it didn't work. And I thought it worked okay, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:24.840 And then I got to the Boys and Girls Club 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:31.200 and they went in it was a yeah, that's tough 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.560 man hair that we sell that to say, Joel, hair, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.560 to your point is a very precious thing for everyone 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.760 in a way that it does feel like at the 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.960 point that my hair becomes fucked up, I would want 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.360 to be able to blame something grander than myself that 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.200 like maybe my parents did a horrible thing to me 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.000 at one that made my hair turn terrible, instead of 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.800 just admitting like, oh, I don't know how to take 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.760 care of my ship right right, And then I think 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.880 about too, Like so I feel like if you get 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.080 a kid on the spectrum, like getting a haircut can 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.560 be like super intimidating, or if you're just a kid 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.680 who's like, this is a new experience, I have anxiety. 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.440 If you're just a child with anxiety coming in to 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.000 get your hair cut, like all of it is just 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.320 like a very intense emotional experience for a lot of people, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.800 not everyone, but for a lot of people. And I 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.879 think that there's this feeling that if you at least 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.399 wait until they're after one, you know their heads the 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.280 right shape that's pretty much gonna be growing up. You 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.920 can like get the haircut to match how they look, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.920 you know a little bit more about their personality that 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.159 we can match that up a little bit. Yeah, some 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:46.919 plates ain't finished shifting, so we we probably clippers. What 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.359 have you pressed the clippers into the gooey spot? Now? 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.800 Now my baby broken because you because you wanted to 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.280 give him a ball fade. That's how That's how a 0:17:55.320 --> 0:18:06.359 beautiful mind happened. All right, I think I think we 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.000 gotta take a break. We'll be back with more. Joe 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:24.679 l morn more. My mama told me, put tam welcome 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.560 back to My mama told me. We are discussing whether 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:35.560 or not the gooey spot gives you mental powers. No, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.919 I'm just kidding. It's not even called the gooey spot. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.320 You gotta press, you gotta press a certain like code 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:46.520 into it, Like it's like I'm down. N If you 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.280 hit that gooy spot the right way, you're gonna be strong. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.600 You put the Konami code on that gooey spot, you're 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:59.160 gonna raise the savage. No. I was just thinking about 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.280 this because now I'm realizing I'm listening to all this 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.800 talk about children in their hair and how little autonomy 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:11.000 I've ever had over my hair that I never chose 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.879 my haircuts as a kid. I mean I could choose 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.480 like if I wanted a part or not. But other 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.399 than that, like the idea of like long hair or something. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.640 Never like you couldn't come home and be like mom, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.520 I'm getting braids now. No, it was like because my 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:31.199 mom's super African twotors like vasily on the face, short haircut. Okay, okay, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:32.760 I feel the same way. And as one of you, 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.480 it's like a black pant thing like for me, it 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:42.399 was immediately perm like relaxer at four or five, the 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:50.080 kids relaxed, remember the kids. For me was actually on 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:54.400 that boxes a little boy. I believe it simply. Although 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.119 I said that wh all those girls came out and 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.200 they were like, never used a relaxer, no black to winter. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.399 A bunch of the little girl models are now adult women, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.119 and all of them were talking about how they had 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.359 never had to relax there in their entire life and 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:12.760 that they were just Harald dude, dude, I know I 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.920 need to get to these niggas on the three sixties 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:23.359 styling box. They're just peeling bad wigs. Those guys looked amazing, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.800 do you remember them. I will say this that now 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.800 having been on enough sets where like a barber comes 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:35.000 in with that that spray. Yeah, but when they're using 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.080 it for for justice and not for like weird evil, 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.320 they can make YO ship look sharp than a motherfucker. 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:45.880 I was on I'm gonna tell I'll tell you guys 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.320 the truth. We're friends. I was on a TBS show. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:54.040 They geemed up. I felt incredible. Yeah, it's a wild 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.040 power that they can employ if they do it the 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:02.159 right way and even the wrong way. Jalen Real looks great. No, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.639 but Jalen Rose is doing it the most evil way possible. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.760 He I just think he truly is making us believe 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:14.520 that barbers have that potential to like to never let 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.639 our line ever come out of place ever. And the 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.240 truth is we are vulnerable, we are human, and Jalen 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:26.159 Roses is on some weird we are I hear what 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.680 you're saying. I love a dude. I love a black 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.560 dude with hair that looks wet. I think it's so cool. 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:40.399 I think it's so cool. I always from Jerry girl, Like, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.680 I don't know what of the aspirations were kept. Okay, 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.600 all right, Joel, were you allowed to choose your hair 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:52.480 after you said perm immediately. But at what point were 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.080 you able to like assert a little dominance over this. 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.359 When I was seventeen and I cut it all off, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:03.080 I pulled a willow. Much later in life, I was like, 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.000 you know, I'm cutting it all, all of it off. 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.760 I really wanted to go natural because I'm a I'm 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.080 a lazy girl. Like if you have relaxed hair, you 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.000 can't be lazy. You gotta get up in the morning, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.439 like you can never step out in the rain. You 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.720 gotta be worried about humidity. When I was living in Chicago, 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.960 it's too many things to constantly be worried about if 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.920 you have your hair relaxed. And I wasn't good at 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.720 doing the hair wraps yet, so I was like, I 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.560 just gonna cut it all off and go natural. And 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.040 when I learned you could just do a wash and goal, 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.080 I was like, is this heaven? This is what life 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.600 was really? If you lived like you should just be 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.280 able to wrench your hair out and throw some products 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.479 and walk out the door. So did you cut it 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.399 and then just show up bald headed at home or 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.680 did you like notify everybody to be like, hey, this decision, 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.480 this is what I want here we go somewhere in 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.800 the middle. So I would go to my mom's stylist 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:55.159 growing up. So I got that first, like relax or 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.239 that was at my mom's hair swan and we would go, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:00.800 you know, every six months to a year, depending on 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.119 how good financially the year was going. And so I 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:04.560 went in and they were like the usual, and I 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.680 was like, no, cut it out off, like your mom 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.360 knows this, like sure, does it totally fine? Cut it off? 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.480 She thought it was can't worked out. She was like, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.920 oh okay, I see what you're going for. She would 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.880 have never allowed it. How all the way off we talk, 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.080 they had these clippers, which was a shock. They're like okay, 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.040 were like shaving the backs and it was like do 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.800 you remember when Rihanna did the Umbrella video and it 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.879 was like long and and really typed the back. It 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.440 was that, okay, okay, that's a good look. Yeah it word. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:41.280 I like it. I remember the I was like, these 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.200 guys win know, they're kind of suits of Rihanna. I'm 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:50.159 a big fan. Are you all excited for the NFL 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:55.280 the Super Bowl show? I am excited for this impowl 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:02.080 on Rihanna both they have all kind of prop bets 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.520 for the halftime show. Yeah, like how many people should 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.600 bring out and that I want her to bring out 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.440 like a hundred people like she did for that BT 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.760 Awards show. Yes, I like, this is the dopeest thing 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:19.639 I've ever seen in life. Yeah, my wife and not 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.639 talked about it all the time that Rihanna. I would 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.040