1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perilla offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,918 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: hoy Or. Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:56,079 Speaker 1: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. Search 12 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:03,399 Speaker 3: Greatcob from your first start to your second start? 14 00:01:03,559 --> 00:01:05,599 Speaker 1: Kind of growth did you see kind of things you 15 00:01:05,639 --> 00:01:07,719 Speaker 1: feel like you need to work on issue, continue to 16 00:01:07,759 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: try to get better and better? 17 00:01:09,239 --> 00:01:11,879 Speaker 4: Starting quarterback, Yeah, the big game, we started fast. I think, 18 00:01:11,999 --> 00:01:16,078 Speaker 4: you know, two drives, but two good drives together my 19 00:01:16,119 --> 00:01:18,038 Speaker 4: first start and I think it was three and out 20 00:01:18,119 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 4: and then yeah, second one was maybe another three and out. 21 00:01:20,559 --> 00:01:23,238 Speaker 4: So you know, start started fast and felt more comfortable 22 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 4: in the center of that first nap than the first time. 23 00:01:25,399 --> 00:01:27,079 Speaker 4: And you have to kind of got the nerves out 24 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 4: of me. So feel more comfortable back there, more comfortable 25 00:01:29,279 --> 00:01:31,798 Speaker 4: in the huddle, play calls and little things like that, 26 00:01:31,839 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 4: little things that kind of you don't see on the field, 27 00:01:34,039 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 4: but you know film will come from the huddle. Felt 28 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 4: like I was, you know, bring some more energy to 29 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:39,999 Speaker 4: to the start of the game. And then from there, 30 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: I think just protected the football that's the big thing. 31 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:44,439 Speaker 4: Then you know, turn the ball over and you got 32 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 4: some players which you know wish I had back that 33 00:01:46,199 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 4: you know makes better throws even in you in last 34 00:01:48,679 --> 00:01:51,199 Speaker 4: game that you can maybe be difference in the ball game. 35 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:53,279 Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think you know did 36 00:01:53,279 --> 00:01:55,199 Speaker 4: some good things, just didn't sustain it long enough and 37 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 4: put drives together, especially in that second quarter. 38 00:01:58,759 --> 00:01:59,719 Speaker 3: You see a player like you. 39 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:08,599 Speaker 5: You've probably fill in for relationship than at bit Okay. 40 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 2: Football security, How do you post you guys? 41 00:02:15,959 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just pump them up. I think that's 42 00:02:17,399 --> 00:02:18,199 Speaker 3: the biggest thing you can do. 43 00:02:18,279 --> 00:02:19,999 Speaker 4: Especially you know a guy you know come in the 44 00:02:19,999 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 4: same class and you're on the first round, in the 45 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,439 Speaker 4: second round pick. You know, we build a connection earlier 46 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:26,879 Speaker 4: during during camp and during during the summer. I felt 47 00:02:26,918 --> 00:02:29,439 Speaker 4: like we had it going and I think you just 48 00:02:29,478 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 4: still still find it's still working together. Our second game 49 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 4: out there together, and I felt we've less some plays 50 00:02:34,399 --> 00:02:36,478 Speaker 4: out there both, you know me, you know, ball placement wise, 51 00:02:36,519 --> 00:02:38,719 Speaker 4: and I'm sure he'd like to have some players back himself. 52 00:02:38,839 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: I think it's just building, building the camaraderie, and I 53 00:02:41,239 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 4: think we're gonna get there. 54 00:02:41,959 --> 00:02:43,599 Speaker 3: I don't think it's a matter of if. 55 00:02:43,839 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 4: It's a matter of when a big level of precision 56 00:02:47,038 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 4: you're seeing right now in the passing terms, brothers run 57 00:02:50,119 --> 00:02:51,599 Speaker 4: et ce space and et cetera. 58 00:02:52,399 --> 00:02:54,798 Speaker 2: If you're a comfortable the same, don't let down the 59 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:57,039 Speaker 2: bas next one I can see. 60 00:02:57,439 --> 00:02:59,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting there. Yeah, I think I'm getting there. 61 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,199 Speaker 4: You know, especially you know, preaching what av P preaches, 62 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:04,159 Speaker 4: and you know, doing the little things and you know 63 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:05,319 Speaker 4: some of the love of the you know, for the 64 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 4: love of the game, routes of spacing and and maybe 65 00:03:07,839 --> 00:03:09,358 Speaker 4: you have a clear route to get somebody else open. 66 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:11,279 Speaker 4: I think we're kind of feeling that out. You've got 67 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:13,279 Speaker 4: a got a young teams in the receiver room that 68 00:03:13,679 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 4: you know, the title has got a better understanding of 69 00:03:15,519 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 4: you know, they've been in a lot of different concepts and offenses. 70 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 4: I think the kind of young guys are starting to 71 00:03:19,399 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 4: figure it out and think here go see it click, 72 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:23,999 Speaker 4: and I think, uh, we got some talent off and 73 00:03:24,038 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 4: some looking forward to seeing when that happens the game. 74 00:03:28,799 --> 00:03:31,038 Speaker 4: If you're running like a clear out on on like 75 00:03:31,038 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 4: like a like a digger concept, we've got a clear 76 00:03:32,679 --> 00:03:34,199 Speaker 4: hot we're just taking out you know too, I take 77 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 4: it out the safeties for the dig coming out for 78 00:03:35,839 --> 00:03:37,879 Speaker 4: your for your friend to come catch, you know, digger 79 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:39,759 Speaker 4: concept for the love of the game. As you're just 80 00:03:40,079 --> 00:03:43,519 Speaker 4: houling butt, you know, basically not really expecting the expecting 81 00:03:43,519 --> 00:03:45,919 Speaker 4: the football, just expecting to get your get your get 82 00:03:45,959 --> 00:03:46,559 Speaker 4: your friend open. 83 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:50,519 Speaker 5: Gr Scott Chagrick, I'm sorry, Uh, Scott Chack mentioned back 84 00:03:50,519 --> 00:03:52,079 Speaker 5: in high school used to go to the sideline and 85 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,079 Speaker 5: check the stats to make sure different guys can out 86 00:03:54,079 --> 00:03:55,759 Speaker 5: in the ball. Is out of antellity you still have 87 00:03:55,839 --> 00:03:57,439 Speaker 5: and why it's important for you to make sure the 88 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 5: different guys are gett involved in the past. 89 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's it's a big deal. 90 00:04:02,839 --> 00:04:05,319 Speaker 4: I think at the same time it's also something that I, 91 00:04:05,359 --> 00:04:07,199 Speaker 4: you know, keep in mind of getting guys the football, 92 00:04:07,239 --> 00:04:08,479 Speaker 4: especially in one on one scenarios. 93 00:04:08,519 --> 00:04:09,999 Speaker 3: You know, we have different guys that make plays. 94 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:12,399 Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, I'm right now, 95 00:04:12,399 --> 00:04:13,959 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to, you know, two miles part in 96 00:04:13,999 --> 00:04:16,439 Speaker 4: the offense and try to worry about as you know 97 00:04:16,479 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 4: that as as much. But I think there's definitely at 98 00:04:18,558 --> 00:04:20,758 Speaker 4: times and games where hey, I'm gonna tell you, hey, 99 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 4: if you're one on one, next time I come, I'm 100 00:04:22,159 --> 00:04:23,959 Speaker 4: coming your way. You know, I told KB that later 101 00:04:23,999 --> 00:04:25,999 Speaker 4: in the game that gives more chances is a good 102 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:28,558 Speaker 4: player for us. So you know, little things like that. 103 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:31,118 Speaker 4: You know, I care about you. Guys want the football, 104 00:04:31,159 --> 00:04:33,959 Speaker 4: and they want the football and try to feed you know, 105 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 4: try to feed them all. 106 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:36,639 Speaker 3: That's that's the best thing. 107 00:04:36,678 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know everybody is gonna 108 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,199 Speaker 4: want the ball, you know, more than probably they're gonna get, 109 00:04:41,318 --> 00:04:42,958 Speaker 4: so gotta kind of balance that aspect. 110 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: There was a clip on social media this morning Dean 111 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: Rolovski ESPN was kind of breaking down your game you 112 00:04:48,479 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 2: should have played, where he was highlighting. 113 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 5: Really good footwork base. 114 00:04:52,678 --> 00:04:55,758 Speaker 2: He was really praising how far you've come along in 115 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,999 Speaker 2: such a short amount of time and footwork because. 116 00:04:57,799 --> 00:04:58,759 Speaker 3: I feel like that's you. 117 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:00,358 Speaker 5: That you've come a long way with your footwork. 118 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:02,519 Speaker 2: When you watch yourself now reards out how you were 119 00:05:02,558 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: in college and like, wow, man, the work we put 120 00:05:04,799 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: it is really starting to pay off now. 121 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know it's credit. You know, these 122 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:12,118 Speaker 4: coaches here AREVP and TC. You know they really you know, 123 00:05:12,198 --> 00:05:14,639 Speaker 4: they've hammered at home. And you know, at the same time, 124 00:05:14,678 --> 00:05:16,759 Speaker 4: I think, you know, some things where some different drops 125 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 4: that I'm taking now and weren't really asked of me 126 00:05:18,719 --> 00:05:20,598 Speaker 4: in college. So some of these you know, five step 127 00:05:20,599 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 4: in under center play actions, we didn't do much of those, 128 00:05:23,078 --> 00:05:24,959 Speaker 4: so it probably really didn't give me a chance to 129 00:05:24,999 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 4: show show off some of the footwork stuff. So there's 130 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 4: two ways to look at it. But you know, credit 131 00:05:29,359 --> 00:05:31,998 Speaker 4: to these guys here. Think you're working, still working on 132 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 4: you know things you know throughout the week, TC puts 133 00:05:34,039 --> 00:05:35,518 Speaker 4: it up on the board, you know, a little things 134 00:05:35,558 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 4: out the week that to keep in mind, and you know, 135 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,999 Speaker 4: it's like I'm I'm I feel comfortable back there. Maybe 136 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,319 Speaker 4: scrambled into one sack light in the game that told 137 00:05:42,318 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 4: Big Mic that was my fault, but you know, other 138 00:05:44,039 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 4: than that, feel good back there, I'm seeing it. Well, 139 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 4: just I'm gonna tinue to get some reps. 140 00:05:48,799 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 5: Could stuff. I'm curious, what's the challenge like as a rookie. 141 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:56,398 Speaker 5: Maybe he wants to be differential today the older guys 142 00:05:56,519 --> 00:06:03,438 Speaker 5: like her a lot, right, I guess being PC position, 143 00:06:03,558 --> 00:06:05,878 Speaker 5: what's that challenge like cre trying to strike that batlet? 144 00:06:06,438 --> 00:06:10,518 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think what what are you really asking? 145 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 5: Well, just in terms of you want to be differential 146 00:06:13,558 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 5: as a rookie, as a first year guy, but you 147 00:06:15,799 --> 00:06:18,998 Speaker 5: have a lot of veterans, you a lot of break 148 00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 5: that ballance trying to be a leader. 149 00:06:22,159 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: Work. 150 00:06:22,919 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a good point. I think it 151 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:27,558 Speaker 4: goes back to just kind of building lasers of different guys. 152 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 4: That's kind of my approach to it. You'll really get 153 00:06:30,039 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 4: to know them and kind of see where we relate. 154 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 4: I think me and JP relate with Hey, we're both 155 00:06:34,719 --> 00:06:37,158 Speaker 4: you know, been working you know, football NonStop since you 156 00:06:37,159 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 4: know the end of the college season, and you know 157 00:06:39,078 --> 00:06:41,399 Speaker 4: sometimes they all the Vets talk about the rookie wall 158 00:06:41,438 --> 00:06:43,639 Speaker 4: you hit and just kind of continue to get over 159 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 4: that hump and you know, just find each and every 160 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:48,519 Speaker 4: day ways to you know, be excited about coming coming 161 00:06:48,558 --> 00:06:50,639 Speaker 4: here and playing football and playing in the NFL. I 162 00:06:50,678 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: think going back to that and kind of looking at 163 00:06:52,159 --> 00:06:54,878 Speaker 4: the bigger picture, you know, with JP and you know 164 00:06:54,919 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 4: some of the Bake and those young guys and and 165 00:06:56,719 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: even you know Ja him some of those guys. I 166 00:06:58,958 --> 00:07:00,439 Speaker 4: think that's kind of a reminder of, you know, this 167 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:02,439 Speaker 4: is what we dreamed of and kind of dream doesn't 168 00:07:02,438 --> 00:07:04,398 Speaker 4: stop now. I think kind of just getting back to 169 00:07:04,438 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 4: work and then with those older guys, just kind of 170 00:07:06,599 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 4: picking up this and pieces that I can maybe carry 171 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 4: into you know, those young guys what can help us. 172 00:07:10,679 --> 00:07:12,639 Speaker 4: I think that's the kind of my approach to it. 173 00:07:12,679 --> 00:07:15,039 Speaker 4: And those Hunter and Da and some of those guys 174 00:07:15,078 --> 00:07:17,039 Speaker 4: are stuff I'm picking up every day with Jacobe in 175 00:07:17,078 --> 00:07:17,759 Speaker 4: the quarterback room. 176 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 2: So quessure tight Ends might have a better understanding of 177 00:07:21,559 --> 00:07:23,839 Speaker 2: the offense right now, and that's one reason why you're 178 00:07:24,679 --> 00:07:27,279 Speaker 2: targeting Hunter Henry. So watch you build a connection with 179 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:28,159 Speaker 2: Hunter Henry so long. 180 00:07:28,679 --> 00:07:30,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say I have a better understand the receivers. 181 00:07:30,799 --> 00:07:32,518 Speaker 4: You know, they had a great understanding. I think, just 182 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:34,599 Speaker 4: you know, hunting them see more reps of you know, 183 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:37,479 Speaker 4: different different things that whether the safety the linebackers or 184 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:40,479 Speaker 4: coverages can do. You know, Hunter and Hoop have you know, 185 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:42,879 Speaker 4: spend you know, I don't know, come bind years probably 186 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 4: seventeen plus or almost twenty years in the NFL. You 187 00:07:46,119 --> 00:07:48,319 Speaker 4: can see the kind of the VET experience in that 188 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:50,398 Speaker 4: room of you know, their feel for space and their 189 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:52,639 Speaker 4: feel for Hey, this guy's you know, playing a man 190 00:07:52,999 --> 00:07:55,038 Speaker 4: versus those young guys. I think they're you know, some 191 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:57,279 Speaker 4: kind of feeling it out and you know, JP maybe 192 00:07:57,319 --> 00:07:59,358 Speaker 4: thinking hey, it's man. You know, I'm working my route 193 00:07:59,359 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 4: and little things like that or pop. So I think 194 00:08:02,799 --> 00:08:04,359 Speaker 4: I don't really understand that thing. It's just kind of 195 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:06,039 Speaker 4: the reps of getting it. So I think that's something 196 00:08:06,078 --> 00:08:08,399 Speaker 4: they continue to find and you know, as the weeks 197 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:09,719 Speaker 4: go on, you'll still see that improved. 198 00:08:09,799 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 5: Drake Hunter mentioned that he feels like he needs fers 199 00:08:11,679 --> 00:08:14,478 Speaker 5: to blush juice and energy this week. Is that something 200 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:16,159 Speaker 5: you feel like you need to bring into the libry. 201 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 4: I think as a quarterback and they need to bring 202 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:20,799 Speaker 4: it every day and every day. That's my responsibility that 203 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,519 Speaker 4: comes with the planning position is bringing juice. And you'll 204 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:26,199 Speaker 4: be the guy that you know, somebody looked to, Hey, 205 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:28,599 Speaker 4: if you know, Drake's down and just a quarterback the 206 00:08:28,599 --> 00:08:30,999 Speaker 4: football team. You know, something that's every day, you'll bring 207 00:08:31,078 --> 00:08:34,519 Speaker 4: juice and that's come on person out anyway, So apprecid. 208 00:08:34,958 --> 00:08:37,799 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook join John Rook as he brings you all 209 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 210 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:44,279 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 211 00:08:44,279 --> 00:08:46,359 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 212 00:08:46,359 --> 00:08:46,999 Speaker 1: state of the team. 213 00:08:47,078 --> 00:08:49,879 Speaker 5: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one 214 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 5: thing done, and let's get it done right and then. 215 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,078 Speaker 3: We can worry about versatility. 216 00:08:54,199 --> 00:08:55,399 Speaker 5: Am I lying to anybody here? 217 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: Let's just get one thing done. 218 00:08:57,159 --> 00:08:59,799 Speaker 5: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 219 00:08:59,919 --> 00:09:00,399 Speaker 5: move along. 220 00:09:00,479 --> 00:09:01,958 Speaker 3: That's kind of my biggest thing. 221 00:09:01,999 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.