1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. Well, I didn't see this coming J 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: J Watt. He's an Arizona Cardinal let that sink in 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: for a Moment's all reaction, how he fits and what 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: this means going forward. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode three 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: ninety eight, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two 7 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws near sight 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: of Fritz part head. He's into the ends off for 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki stating the obvious. 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Here Bird Gang. But did not expect to be talking 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: about JJ Watt here on this first day of March. Heck, 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: m J, we talked about JJ Watt a week ago 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: when we were doing our defensive line breakdown. But here 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: we are. And this is why you never know, even 17 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: though what was reported out there, you just do not 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: know what is going on behind the scenes. JJ Watt 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: is an Arizona Cardinal MJ Just your first reaction when 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: you heard the news shocker, stunner. Wow. You know, anytime 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: a guy like JJ Watt becomes available, you know, for 22 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: every thirty one other teams, and clearly if teams have 23 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: multiple pass rushers, then maybe he's not the top of 24 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: the list. But you're talking about a guy that's had 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: a great career. Now the last couple of years, he's 26 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: not been on a winning team, even though he's been 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: able to get to the postseason. We know what's happened 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: in Houston, at least when Bill O'Brien was there, and 29 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: the magnitude of a player like this. The first thing 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: you do is you watch the film. You know clearly, 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: you know you're talking about a three time Defensive Player 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: of the Year that's in the same conversation and sentenced 33 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: with Aaron Donald and Lawrence Taylor. You know, I still 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: think he can be a productive player. You know, he's 35 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: a guy that obviously works out a lot. You know, 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: hopefully the injuries are behind him. But I mean the 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: fact that you can, you know, line up Chandler Jones 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: on the outside and j J. Watt somewhere along the 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: defensive line. I mean, that's that's going to be a 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: force to be reckoned with when teams start talking about 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: this cardinal defense and you know, we look at the 42 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: offense and they just need to make some tweaks and 43 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: add a little bit more talent, possibly at the skill positions, 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: but defensively, you know, we talk about you know, the 45 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: secondary where you need a pass rush and you know, 46 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: welcome to the NFC West because we always focus on 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. But you've got you've got you got some 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: solid defenses. And if you're a guy like Russell Wilson, 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: you've got to face Aaron Donald, JJ Watton, Chandler Jones 50 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: four times. I wonder why he wants to get traded 51 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: a number of different directions. We can go here and 52 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: we'll have plenty of time to get into everything over 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: the next several days and weeks, and hopefully eventually here 54 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: from JJ himself and also general manager Steve Kime. But 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: when we talked about him being on the market, talking 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: about JJ Watt, it was in the context of defensive line. 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: He's a three four defensive end. Is there a fit, well, one, 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: when you have that kind of talent, you always pick 59 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: up the phone and ask. But there were two reasons why, 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, I didn't think it was 61 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: going to happen, and we said we would be surprised. 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: One was asking price, and then two because of where 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are right now versus say, a Green Bay 64 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: Packers team out there that has made the postseason, has 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: advanced to the NFC Championship game. Are the Cardinals close 66 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: to a championship contender? I say that, And now on 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: the flip side is, well, you look around the NFL 68 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: and MJ how quickly can you go from last place 69 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: to first place? How quickly things turn around with a 70 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: move or two? And certainly the first big move of 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: the off season, not just for the Cardinals here, but 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the first real big move outside of trades around the NFL, 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: is the Cardinals going to address defense, that front seven 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: where what have we been talking about since the season ended? 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: You have to address the offense and figure out how 76 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: to put more points on the board. But certainly this 77 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: is a home run with respects to what Banch Joseph 78 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: now is tasked with as far as trying to figure 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: out how to best utilize one of the better defensive 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: players to ever step foot on the field. Our theme 81 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: going into the offseason last year was addressed the front seven, 82 00:04:53,279 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, check, Canard check, Campbell check, drafting a couple 83 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, defensive lineman and Lucky Foe too and Richard Lawrence. 84 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: So they had it addressed that area. To me, it's 85 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: it's a situation where you know J. J. Watt. First 86 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: of all, he's a great guy. He's going to bring 87 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: leadership to that locker room. I know it's going to 88 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: be his first year, but just when he walks in 89 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: that locker room, he has credentials, he has skins on 90 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: the wall, and we know how much he did in 91 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Houston just giving back to the community. So you know, 92 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: he's not only a great player that I believe still 93 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: has something left in the tank, whether it's the next 94 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: couple of years, maybe the next three or four years 95 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: for his sake, but just a great teammate and I 96 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: think he's going to bring a lot of leadership to 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: that locker room. And you know, you're right, Craig. Let's 98 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: go back to you know, JJ Watt. He said he 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: loved free agency. Who's had a little fun. People were 100 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: trying to connect the dots. Some sub tweets, but really 101 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and he could 102 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: have got a chance to play with his brothers. And 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: then the Buffalo Bills were in the mix. A team 104 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: on the rise. You know, they feel like they may 105 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: have the stranglehold on the AFC East. Now I'm sure 106 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and the Miami Dolphins are gonna have something 107 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: to say about that. But he had choices out there. 108 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: And when you say, you know he was looking for 109 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: a contender or that was the reports, he must feel 110 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: like this Cardinal team with a you know, Kyler Murray 111 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: and the offense and DeAndre Hopkins and you know Hops 112 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: a great recruiter, sounds like, yeah, I remember that Instagram 113 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: posts that Hopkins had out there about him and JJ 114 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: Watt with Watt and a Cardinals uniform saying hey, let's 115 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: finish what we started. But social media playing a factor 116 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: here because it was JJ himself at ten forty six 117 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: this morning with a picture on Twitter of him working 118 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: out and an Arizona Cardinals T shirt with this simply 119 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: saying source me. And then all of a sudden, a 120 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: firestorm of tweets, reaction, confirmation, and the Cardinals did finally 121 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: confirm yes, a two year contract agreed to. It's two 122 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: years worth a reported thirty one million, with twenty three 123 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: million dollars guarantee that according to both Ian Rappaport of 124 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: NFL Network and Adam Schefter of ESPN, So you're looking 125 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: at an average of fifteen million per year. We'll see 126 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: how that's all structured with respects the salary cap. But 127 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: this is certainly a game changer. It is certainly taking 128 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: Twitter and the rest of social media by storm. All players, 129 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: all fans, certainly everyone has a right to be excited 130 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: about it, and maybe no one more so than Chandler Jones, 131 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: who earlier in February tried to do his own recruiting 132 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: and sent out a tweet on February sixteenth addressing JJ 133 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Watt saying quote, if you come here, I'll be your 134 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: personal chef. Monday and Wednesdays are free exclamation points, to 135 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: which jj Watt responded with a bunch of laughing smiley 136 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: face emoji. So apparently now Chandler Jones, I know he's 137 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: celebrating his birthday in Hawaii, which his birthday was on Saturday, 138 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: So for us one a great birthday gift for Chandler Jones. 139 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: And then two you're looking at, well, now he's got 140 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: to figure out and how to feed JJ Watt two 141 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: days a week. That's a good dilemma and a half. 142 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: You know, we always hear about guys recruiting and ultimately 143 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: it comes down to ownership and it has to you know, 144 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: fit in that salary cap. And here we're talking about 145 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: guys taking one year deals. And you know, JJ Watt 146 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: I thought it was classy for the Houston Texans to 147 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: let him get into free agency and get a jump 148 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: on it. I know they've taken a lot of heat 149 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: and probably rightfully, so what's happened there? But this had 150 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: a free agency and he could have waited. But by 151 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: him doing this, now you know, you'll start to see 152 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: and we're going to get into it. What does that 153 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: mean for other guys that play outside linebacker or a 154 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: defensive end, because you know, he was wanted, you know, 155 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: by nine or ten teams, and the Cardinals were according 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: to Jay Glazier, they were in it the entire time. 157 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: And so this, you know, we're shocked by it. And 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know, when we found out that Steve Kimon, 159 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: you know, made the trade for DeAndre Hopkins that was 160 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: under wraps for like two two or three weeks, and 161 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray knew. He kind of come out 162 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: and said that Darren his Super Bowl pressors, and I'm 163 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: sure that made Kyler Murray very happy because he couldn't 164 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: say anything, but he knew he had d Hops. So 165 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: this wasn't a trade. This is a free agent signing. 166 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: And once again the Cardinals can say on paper today 167 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: they've improved and what I thought last year between Kim 168 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: in the scouting department, they put it together or a 169 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: ten win team. Unfortunately that didn't happen well. And because 170 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: this is a free agent move ahead of free agency. 171 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: In the reasonberg Gang is something that can be done 172 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: now is because Watt was released earlier this offseason after 173 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: ten seasons with the Houston Texans. A player that's been 174 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: released can sign does not have to wait until free 175 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: agency begins. And obviously he did take his time, and 176 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: there was a lot of people wondering why he was 177 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: taking so much time, and maybe he needed to weigh 178 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: his options, and it certainly sounds like he had a 179 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: number of different options out there, including this one, which 180 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: no one thought there was an even an ounce of 181 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: a chance of him coming to the Arizona Cardinals. But 182 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: now you look at what this means defensively for this 183 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: front seven, and let's discuss it with respects to what 184 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: JJ Watton. What we know, he's a defensive end. He 185 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: puts his hand in the dirt. He is a three 186 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: four defensive end. The Cardinals do play at three four. 187 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: Everyone immediately goes to Chandler Jones on one side, JJ 188 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Watt on the other. But to my knowledge, Jim J. 189 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: Watt does not stand up. So if we are just 190 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: going to go buy what he has played now for 191 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: ten seasons and one hundred and twenty eight games, he 192 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: is going to be on the left side predominantly, or 193 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe the right side, with Jordan Phillips in the middle 194 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: and maybe as Zach Allen on the other side, and 195 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: then you would have perhaps Chandler Jones standing up either 196 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: maybe next to JJ Watt or on the opposite side. 197 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: So opposing quarterbacks, you're gonna have one guy that you 198 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: can see because he's standing up, and the other guy 199 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: and Watt who's gonna be a little bit crouched down lower, 200 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: but still a formidable task. If you're an opposing quarterback 201 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: to figure out what do we do when you have 202 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: two of the best pass rushers in the National Football League. 203 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: The stat is this burd gang since two twelve, the 204 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: most sex Chandler Jones ninety seven, JJ Watt ninety five 205 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: and a half. You look at J. J. Watt and 206 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: I know that you know, maybe they'll he'll put his 207 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: hand the dirt, which he's done throughout his career. But 208 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: there are going to be downs where you know, vance 209 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: Joseph is going to have you know, his choices and 210 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: it's a great dilemma. So you could line them up 211 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: on the same side. Um, you know, usually if you 212 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: line up on the left defensive end, you're going against 213 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: the right tackle. Teams like to run the ball more 214 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: to the right and then the left tackles probably got 215 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: better feet and that's where Chandler Jones has kind of 216 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: made his money being able to, you know, stab the 217 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: ball out and dip that left shoulder to get around 218 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: the around the left tackle if they don't have a 219 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: chip there. So I mean, but you can move J. J. 220 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: Watt around. I mean, it's not like he's fixed it 221 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: at one area. You know, Corey Peters was really a 222 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: nose tackle. Zach Allen played left defensive end. They started 223 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: with Jordan Phillips the right defensive end. So and you know, 224 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: I anticipate Watt's going to play, you know, sentient of 225 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: the snaps. I mean, you want to give them some 226 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: breather just because it's a long season. Obviously, you know 227 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: he's thirty one years old to be his eleventh season. 228 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: But it's really a great situation to have. And again, 229 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: I think it's going to help the secondary where you know, 230 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: clearly they got to make a decision what's gonna happen 231 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: with Patrick? Where they put Byron Murphy? What about Alford? 232 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: They bring them back at a lower rate? Is he 233 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: interested in that considering he hasn't been able to play 234 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: the last two years. So I think it will subtle 235 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: things down because it really starts at the front seven. 236 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: And one thing we talked about, including in the Super Bowl, 237 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: the game was one in the trenches, and we know 238 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: we have an idea what the offensive line could look like. 239 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: We don't know who the center is going to be. 240 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: Clearly they want to upgrade. That was very telling from 241 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Sean Coogler. Nothing against Lamont Gilliard or Mason Cole. But 242 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: when you look at the trenches on defense, and that's 243 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: going to help the run. The run defense, Craig, it's 244 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: not a guy that's a one trick. We look at sacks, 245 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: you look at pressures from both of these guys, so 246 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: it should help in the run defense. And that means, 247 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, put these quarterbacks in third and long and 248 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: start teeing off on him. As far as the sacks, 249 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: last year, without Chandler Jones for a large part of 250 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: the season, the Cardinals had forty eight sacks, tied for 251 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: the fourth most in the league. And this was with 252 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: basically a make shift front seven because don't forget Jordan 253 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Phillips was also missing a chunk of time as well 254 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: and didn't matter or didn't measure up to what we 255 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: had saw the season before with the Buffalo Bills. So 256 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: vanch Joseph knows how to get the most out of 257 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: his players, how to scheme it up. I think that's 258 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: maybe the best thing that we've seen out of Vance 259 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Joseph is when there is something that he needs to 260 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: do or dial back or dial up, he's very good 261 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: at coming up with different ways to get pressure on 262 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback and win healthy and I think we're going 263 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: to be saying that a lot with respects to JJ Watt. 264 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: When healthy, there is no one. He is second to 265 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: no one. The problem, no MJ is three of the 266 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: last five seasons he has not been healthy twenty sixteen 267 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: three games, twenty seventeen five games, twenty nineteen eight games. 268 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: He has to stay on the field. But let's be honest, 269 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: that goes for any player when you're talking about adding, 270 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: whether that's to the defense or the offensive side. And 271 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: you look at Jay J. Watty is coming off playing 272 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: a full season. I'm sure it wasn't easy, just you know, 273 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: the way they were losing and Deshaun Watson is putting 274 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: them numbers. But you know, I just think when you 275 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: look at the front now the front four front three 276 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: and again the Cardinals who play a three four, but 277 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: you do see, you know, the outside linebackers at the 278 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage show almost looks like a five man front. 279 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: But I think when you look at it from a 280 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: downward spiral effect, it's going to help the linebackers out. 281 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: They're gonna hopefully be able to create double teams upfront 282 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: because of what and you know the development of Zach 283 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: Allen and Jordan Phillips, and now the linebackers should be 284 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: able to shoot the gaps, and then you look at 285 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: the secondary. You know, they may not have to cover forever. 286 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be you know, you look 287 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: at the front line, and then you look at the 288 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: second level and the third level. I think they're all 289 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: gonna be in unisent and and sync. It's gonna take 290 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: a little time, but again, he's a plug in play guy. 291 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: We don't have to worry about him, you know, playing 292 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: in preseason games and stuff like that. So I think 293 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: it's really going to make the defense a lot better. 294 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: When we look at the weakness right now, I think 295 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: it's a secondary just because we don't know who's there. 296 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I think we're intrigued with the outside linebackers defensive alignment. 297 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with a Son Reddick and Marcus Golden. Yeah, 298 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: if you want to strengthen the secondary, sometimes it's well, 299 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: get pressure on the quarterback so that doesn't stand in 300 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: the pocket and have so much time to pick you apart. 301 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: On the back end. If you want to strengthen the 302 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: pass rush, we'll all sometimes, yes, you need a strong secondary, 303 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: so the quarterback cast. Can't you know, hold onto the 304 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: ball a lot? And I think that is what this 305 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: move is about. Again, burg Gang, I'm I'm surprised as 306 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: anyone didn't see it happening, didn't think it would be possible. 307 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: The other interesting point is the commitment the Cardinals made 308 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: to Watt, not only just two years, but the dollar 309 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: figures according to reports, this is a sure sign as 310 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: any MJ that the Cardinals, if you will, are going, 311 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: you know what, no more planning for the future. The 312 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: future is now. It is when now, and we certainly 313 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: have discussed that with respects to hey, year three of 314 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, you better get into the postseason. But you're 315 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: able to spend this amount of money because you have 316 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray still under his rookie contract. Great point, and 317 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: that's why, you know, depending on how Kyler Murray plays 318 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: this year, I mean the Cardinals, well, if he plays 319 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: well enough and they see the progress and they see 320 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: the win total go up, they're going to have zero 321 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: issue making them one of the higher paid quarterbacks in football. 322 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: We'll see what Lamar Jackson's contract looks like now. And 323 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: then you throw in Josh Allen. I think both of 324 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: those guys will get taken care of, and then I'll 325 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of set the market again. I don't know if 326 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: they'll reach Patrick Mahomes status, but you know, that's the 327 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: beauty of having a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal, 328 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: and right now, that's when you got to cash in. 329 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, I can't speak for 330 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: the organization, but I gotta think that they thought when 331 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: they were five and two and six and three that 332 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: and we have some calls on the postgame show, and 333 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: the thing is, just get in the tournament. Get in 334 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: there now. They likely would have had to go to 335 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: New Orleans and or possibly you know, Green Bay had 336 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: to buy. Maybe they got another matchup in the division 337 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: based on Seattle. We know Tampa obviously it was a 338 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: wildcard team. But maybe the feeling is they feel like 339 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: they're close and you know they're not one player away. 340 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, there are a much 341 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: better defense today. But that's a great point. Craig Kylin 342 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: Murray on his rookie deal allows you to spend money. 343 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: He's considered a defensible I'm Chandler Jones is considered outside linebackers. 344 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: So once again, when you get the physicianal spending. They 345 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: can justify this move a stunner of a move if 346 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: you will buy the Arizona Cardinals here on this first 347 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: day of March, with free agency still two weeks away. 348 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: As we continue here on Cardinals Covered two, presented by 349 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: Hunday Crowd, partner of the Arizona Cardinals, you talk about 350 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: money and real quick because we've focused on Chandler Jones 351 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: and JJ Watt. Well, Watt is under contract for this 352 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: season and then next season. Chandler Jones is only under 353 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: contract for this coming season. Now, do the Cardinals look 354 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: to extend a Chandler Jones to kind of maybe free 355 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: up some more money, but also to make sure that 356 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: it's not just a one year pairing of Chandler and JJ. 357 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: You've got at least two, maybe three years depending on 358 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: if you get Watt for a third season down the road. 359 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: You sound like that salary cap guru right now. Yeah, 360 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones number will be twenty million this year he 361 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: goes into the final year of his contract, and Craig, 362 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: I think, you know we always talk about, well, guys 363 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: are gonna have to take one year deals. I think 364 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: that's more veterans. You can give Chandler Jones a three 365 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: or four year extension and really gets cash over cap, 366 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: where if you give him a nice little bonus, again, 367 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: you can spread that money out the length of the contract. 368 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: He may not see years four and five. If that's 369 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm usually an example, So yes, I definitely think he 370 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: is a He's a guy that I don't know if 371 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: they were priority, But yeah, I would think to lower 372 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: that cap number to give you more money this year, 373 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: but also enough to where you can spread out the 374 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: signing bonus over the next three or four years. And 375 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: we know the cap could go up to two hundred 376 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: and ten next year based on the TV contract kicking 377 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: in another ten year deal and so it could even 378 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: go higher. So yeah, I mean, yes, I don't know 379 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: how much you know you can lower that number this 380 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: year push money around. You're basically kicking the can down 381 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: the road, but you're for a franchise player. So yeah, 382 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good idea, and I wouldn't 383 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: be surprised as we get closer to the season that 384 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: we start to see some of those moves. JJ Watt 385 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: will be thirty two later this month. Chandler Jones just 386 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: turned thirty one over the weekend. So the Cardinals certainly 387 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: look very very good. But now you wonder, okay, well 388 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: what's next? And we talk about the Cardinals free agents 389 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: to be Larry Fitzgerald, we still haven't heard from him. 390 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: Is he more likely to come back because of this move? 391 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson? Is he more likely to come back except 392 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: less on a one or two year deal because a 393 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: JJ Watt is in the fold, And then you have 394 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: the dynamic of Hassan Reddick or Marcus Golden. Let's first 395 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: MJ look real quick and initial reaction here or thoughts 396 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: on first Larry Fitzgerald and Patrick Peterson on what their 397 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: futures might mean because JJ Watt now is going to 398 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: wear an Arizona Cardinals uniform again, if you get down 399 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: the positional spending, I mean, Jordan Phillips has got a 400 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: couple more years on his contract, Zach Allen still on 401 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: his rookie deal, Lucky Photos on his rookie deal, Orchard 402 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: Lawrence is on his rookie deal. So um, I think 403 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: it's it's they're in separate categories. Now. I know it 404 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: all counts against the cap, but you know, Patrick Peterson, 405 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna maintain they're gonna let him go out there 406 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: and test free agency and see what he's worth, and 407 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: then as he want to come back, I don't think 408 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: any hometown discount. If somebody gives them all multi year deal, 409 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: maybe that's a game changer, and then it's for Larry. 410 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: I just think Larry's got other opportunities that he has 411 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: to figure out. You know, he's he's got some opportunities 412 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: off the field. When I see opportunities, and I still 413 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: don't think he'll wear another uniform, so I'm not going 414 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: to worry about that. But this is the longest is 415 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: taking him. I need to reach out to them today. 416 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: And you know, he obviously just thought it was a 417 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: good signing for the for the Cardinals. But again, he's 418 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: gonna make a decision. But I do think he's weighing. 419 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: You know, if you do decide to hang it up, 420 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, are you ready for that second life? And 421 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: clearly won't be in football, he won't be in the 422 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: locker room. But I'm sure he's thought about that over 423 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: the last couple of years when we get to this point. 424 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: So I just think he's weighing his options at it, 425 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: really do and I don't know when we're going to 426 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: get a decision now with respects to Reddick and Golden. 427 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: Now again we're talking about two outside linebackers, but guys 428 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: who rushed the quarterback? And we were going to debates, 429 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, later this week about those two, and maybe 430 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: we still will. But what happens now with those two 431 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: players with respects to who lines up opposite Chandler Jones, 432 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: is at a question MJ that's been already answered with 433 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: the answer being JJ Watt or now you look to see, Okay, 434 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: you've got outside linebacker one and Chandler Well, who's outside 435 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: linebacker two? You got Devon Knard under contract. But Reddick, 436 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: who was very good this past season, is going to 437 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: be a free agent. Marcus Olden is going to be 438 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: a free agent. Again. There's only so much money to spend, 439 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: and this move by JJ Watt would appear, at least 440 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: on the surface here that we know of, certainly takes 441 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: a lot of that away from perhaps a Reddick or Golden. 442 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: If I'm on to be consistent, I mean, okay, so 443 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Wat's the defensive lineman Chandler Jones. Again, I do agree 444 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: with you lower that cap number, try to spread it out, 445 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: extend that spread, that signing bonus out. You know, I 446 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: think Marcus Golden is a guy that wants to be here. 447 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: Not saying Hassan Reddick. I just think Reddick is a 448 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: pass rusher and I don't know if the Cardinals can 449 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: retain him. That only takes one team. You know, I 450 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: was thinking maybe million a year for him and me 451 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: on a one year deal, but I think he's going 452 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: to have, you know, multi year deals. There's four or 453 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: five teams that have over fifty million, and you know 454 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: the draft isn't great for pass rushers. He's a plug 455 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: and play guy. I think he showed that he can 456 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: do a couple of different things. You know, I always 457 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: talk about four to three and three four, but I'm 458 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: sure there's a coordinator out there so that that I can 459 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: make him play in a three. I can get him 460 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: playing at four to three. So again, I who's your linebackers? 461 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: Are they going to make a move on Devin Kennard? 462 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: Is he going to be a calf casualty more of 463 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: a June first guy? So you free some money up there, 464 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: but you have to have some depth that linebacker. You know, 465 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: we know Dennis Gardeck's going to be out probably past 466 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: the halfway point. Maybe he's a late edition in November 467 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: or December. You know, you look an inside linebacker. You know, 468 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: you got Hicks and you got Simmons, and we'll see 469 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: what happens with you know, guys like Zeke Turner and 470 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: Tanner Vallejo. So yeah, I mean you still need some 471 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: depth there. And you know, maybe Reddick feels like it's 472 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: time for him to cash in. He has every right 473 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: first time being a free agent. But positional spending, you 474 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: may have to go a little bit shorter in the 475 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: secondary positional spending. Murphy's on a rook deal. They just 476 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: re up with Fudha Thompson, twins are on rookie deals. 477 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: You draft a guy, he'll be on a rookie deal. 478 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: So when I say a positional spending, you may go 479 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more at one position than the other. Reaction, 480 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: of course, across social media continues to come in Watt's 481 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: new defensive line coach, Brentson Buckner going to Twitter and 482 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: saying let's go with several exclamation points with a picture 483 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: of JJ Watts and a Cardinals T shirt as we 484 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: reference at the start of the show, and then the first, 485 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: I guess you could say public comments from the Arizona 486 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: Sports World. Diamondbacks manager Tory Lavello opened up his press 487 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: conference earlier today before a spring training game with this quote, 488 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 1: super pumped, So welcome JJ Watt to the valley end. 489 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: Quote Again, we haven't heard from any of the Cardinals 490 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: decision makers, but certainly people love to see JJ Watt 491 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals. Now, of course we're all wondering 492 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: what number is he going to wear? And this is 493 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of a dynamic that MJ. You kind 494 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: of threw my way earlier in the day because JJ 495 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Watt has worn nothing but ninety nine his entire NFL career. 496 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: Number ninety nine is retired by the Arizona Cardinals. It 497 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: was worn back in the late thirties and forties by 498 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: Marshall Goldberg for the then Chicago Cardinals and All American 499 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: and All Pro a fullback slash running back who also 500 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: played a little defense and special teams as well. He 501 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: is in the Cardinals Ring of Honor, but that number 502 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine. Cardinals don't retire a lot of numbers, but 503 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: ninety nine is one of those numbers that has been 504 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: retired so now I know bird Gang is always interested, 505 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, Jersey sales. You want to support the home team. 506 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: What number, well, that MJ is a question we do 507 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: not have an answer for as of yet, and maybe 508 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: by the time you listen into this podcast Your Cardinals 509 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: Covered two presented by Honday, partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 510 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: we will, but as we speak to here on this 511 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon early afternoon, we do not know what number 512 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: JJ Watt is going to wear. Champagne problems there you 513 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: go exactly. I mean, I always you know how I 514 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: felt when Jordan Phillips put on ninety seven and he 515 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: looked like a mountain mount there, big bear. Gotta think 516 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be in the nineties. You know, that's 517 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: kind of a d line, you know. I don't think 518 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: he's going to pull the gronk and go with an 519 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: odd number, you know, somewhere the sixties or something like that. 520 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: So anyways, yeah, I mean, and those are champagne problems. 521 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm just excited to hear him. And you know, again, 522 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: Steve would be the first to tell us, preferring to 523 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: kind they do you know, bunch better job in the draft, 524 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: and he admits that but there's other ways to build 525 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: a roster, and that's trades, free agency, and draft, and 526 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: you'd like to hit all three, but we got to 527 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: give them credit. When it comes to trades, I think 528 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, I think you look at Chandler Jones, DeAndre 529 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Hopkins moving up for Buddha Baker, and then when you 530 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: look at the free Asian acquisition here and a guy 531 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: like JJ Watt. So again, there's three wheels to build 532 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: a roster and the Cardinals are utilizing that now. When 533 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: it comes to the draft, clearly you want to start 534 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: building for the future as we look now because we're 535 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: looking for a number of different storylines with respects to 536 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, and this was going to be one anyway 537 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty one because of Hopkins on the team. 538 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: But both Hopkins and Watt, we'll have an opportunity to 539 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: play their former team to Houston Texans. It will be 540 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium. The Texans are one of the 541 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: teams that will be visiting State Farms Stadium this upcoming season. 542 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: But the Texans are on the schedule and you know, 543 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: both Hopkins and Watt will be fired up to play 544 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: their former team. The question is what quarterback will J J. 545 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: Watt be rushing that afternoon. That's a totally different conversation 546 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals cover too, But the Texans are on 547 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: the schedule. I'm Jay perfect. Nothing like playing against a 548 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: team now. In fairness to them, they did him right. 549 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: It was totally different than what's happening with Deshahn Watson. Now, 550 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: he did sign a contract, but clearly he's not happy 551 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: what's going on there. But yeah, it's going to be 552 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: good in According to Ed Warner, who works for ESPN, 553 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: he was told J. J. Watt's first criteria was choosing 554 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: a team would be the quality of the quarterback. So 555 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: it seems like an endorsement for Kyler Murray. I think 556 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: what we've seen from him over two seasons now and 557 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: perhaps again you want someone that maybe you can see 558 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: moving forward, taking that next step. And I think that 559 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: is a great point that you just made as far 560 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: as an indication where not only do we think Kyler 561 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: is headed, but more importantly his teammates and now his 562 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: new teammate. I mean, Kyler, listen, the better players you have, 563 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: the better chances you get to win on Sunday. And yeah, 564 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: it's not another wide receiver, but he knows that. Defensively, 565 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta win some division games, and they 566 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: got off to a two and a start last year 567 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: and they finished two and four. There. You know, they 568 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: didn't take care of the conference wins like they should have, 569 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: probably even against Carolina in Detroit. We know that they 570 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: feasted on the AFC East and that was the worst 571 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: division in football. Now, you only can play the teams 572 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: in front of you on the schedule. But defensively, it'd 573 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: be nice to say we're doing a postgame show in 574 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: September and the Cardinals defense won the game. I mean, 575 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: we said that a few different times, but it was 576 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: ultimately what the offense was gonna do. Kick a field 577 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: goal here are they're gonna miss it, or they're gonna 578 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: score a touchdown, But they're gonna be games, Craig, we're 579 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: gonna be doing that postgame show, or we're gonna say 580 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: the defense controlled the line of scrimmage. And we really 581 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: haven't been able to say that consistency or consistently over 582 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: the last few years. A tremendous day here March first, two, 583 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: twenty one. A move that came out of left field. 584 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: J J. Watt as an Arizona Cardinal. Much more on 585 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: this throughout the day on asycardinals dot com and of 586 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: course to the covering weeks as well here on Cardinals 587 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: Cover two. And by the way, speaking of asycardinals dot com, 588 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: if you want all of that information in the palm 589 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: of your hands, make sure you update to the latest 590 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: version of the Cardinals mobile app today. The update features 591 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: an all new redesign homescreen experience. Visit asy cardinals dot 592 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: com slash app for more. MJ final words, final thoughts. 593 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: Before we put a lid on this edition a Cardinals 594 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: Cover two in full disclosure, burg Gang Again, we had 595 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: planned to talk about linebackers this week, inside linebacker and 596 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: an outside linebacker. We will, but certainly this supersedes anything 597 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: that we had planned and certainly something that while I 598 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: woke up not expecting to have to talk about. All right, 599 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: let me ask you this bigger surprise today or when 600 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: Hopkins was traded. Oh, that's a good one. That is 601 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: a real good one. Was it the pass or the catch? 602 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: Going back to the hell murray, Yes, bigger surprise. Let's see, 603 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say on the surface, I'm gonna say I 604 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's a recency bias. I'm gonna say today. 605 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: You know that's that's a that's a that's a darn 606 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: good question. And Jay, you know what. I wow, You've 607 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: got me left scratch in my head. Well, you know what, Craig, 608 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: we do this. So throughout the course of the week, 609 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: we'll be on the red seat report tomorrow. It won't 610 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: throw on there. We talk about different topics, but I'll 611 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: say this, we didn't know Hopkins was available. True, we 612 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: knew that JJ Watt was available, but all along contender. 613 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: And we know in the NFL not you know, worse 614 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: to first. But if you didn't make the playoffs a 615 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: year ago, you have a good opportunity. Four or five 616 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: teams make the playoffs the follow me here. So this 617 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: is a stunner to me. I was shocked then surprised 618 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: again today. And just give the organization credit because this 619 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: team wants to win. I know, you know over the years, 620 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, bringing in Steve Wilkes and Justin Rosen, they 621 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: shut that down. They went out after Cliff and they've 622 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: got Kyler. So it's nice to see the Cardinals get 623 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: some national recognition today because this is a really football move. 624 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: This is. I mean jerseys and ticket sales and all 625 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: that that will take care of itself. You gotta win 626 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: football games. And they're a better football team on paper 627 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: today than they were yesterday. We'll give the last word 628 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins who tweeted life is good and Arizona 629 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: exclamation point and he tagged JJ Watt and the Arizona Cardinals. 630 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: And on that note we will say so long for now, 631 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: bird Gang. Certainly a tremendous day, certainly a surprising day, 632 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: but the Cardinals, as MJ said, certainly better on paper. 633 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 1: Now we got to wait to see it happened on 634 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: the field. Special thanks as always to our executive producer 635 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: Jim Mamahundro for Mike Jarecki, I'm preg Riel Loup. We'll 636 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Covered two.