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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister of Ukraine is a most interesting guy

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Speaker 1: with many different public duties over the years, but all

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Speaker 1: working around trade in the economy of a pre war

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Speaker 1: and at present war in Ukraine. In London, armor Ria

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Speaker 1: today in conversation with Dennis Shmihoal.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning and we are joined by Ukraine's Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: mister Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 2: We've seen each other in many conferences like this multiple times,

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Speaker 2: and I know how difficult it is for you to

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Speaker 2: get here. Is this trained from Ukraine, very big country,

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Speaker 2: over to Poland and then a lot of security concerns

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Speaker 2: about your staff, your team, yourself. So we appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that you always tell me

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Speaker 2: is when I come to a recovery conference like this,

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Speaker 2: and there's been many, I do feel or all I

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Speaker 2: say we stand with Ukraine and they mean it. But

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Speaker 2: a war is long, it's expensive. Did you feel any

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Speaker 2: fatigue in this run around?

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for invitation. It's a pleasure to

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Speaker 4: be here with you. And morning. So it's second conference

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Speaker 4: for Ukrainian recovery. The first one was hold in Switzerland

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Speaker 4: one year ago. Today we are in London. Sixty two

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Speaker 4: countries and international organizations are here. Hundreds of businesses are here,

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Speaker 4: international businesses. We feel tremendous support from all of our partners.

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Speaker 4: We feel financial support, sunctional military support, humanitary and support.

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Speaker 4: Results of this conference have long term consequences. We have

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Speaker 4: many promises, We have many countrite agreements, declarations, memorandums. We

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Speaker 4: have financial support. We have middle term program for Ukrainian

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Speaker 4: support from European Commission, from European Union for fifty billion

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Speaker 4: euro for the next four years. We have tremendous support

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Speaker 4: from United Kingdom. We have very good meetings with our

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Speaker 4: partners and with United States Secretary of State. We have

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Speaker 4: very good conversations, negotiations and very good results.

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Speaker 2: And yet, well all this is happening, we know that

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Speaker 2: back home the fighting continues on the counter offensive is going.

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Speaker 3: And I do want to make something very clear.

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Speaker 2: Was there at any point in this conference did you

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Speaker 2: get any hint that anyone suggested the funding will depend

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Speaker 2: on the counter offensive? Absolutely no, if it's successful, more money.

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Speaker 2: If it's not, it would be less. No one told you.

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Speaker 4: That we have very very sustainable, very strong and very

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Speaker 4: unwaving support from our partners. There is no dependence from

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Speaker 4: results on the battlefield.

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Speaker 3: They're entirely different.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have very strong messages, especially on that conference.

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Speaker 4: Ukraine is future member of EU. Ukraine will be supported

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Speaker 4: by partners. Russia must pay because of these consequences of

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Speaker 4: this war, of terrible war and aggression from Russia side.

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Speaker 4: So these messages from partners are very supportive, are very promising,

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Speaker 4: and now we continue our contrafensive. This is not easy walk.

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Speaker 4: This is not Hollywood movie. As our president voldemer Zelenski

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Speaker 4: said yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday he seemed a little bit exasperated. This is not

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Speaker 2: a movie. It takes time and tastes patients. Is that

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Speaker 2: what you feel at times too? This is not Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: it's it's real people and it's lives.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and every life is very important for us. And

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Speaker 4: we are not Russia. We are not Soviet style army

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Speaker 4: when they bring their lives to the fire of the war.

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Speaker 4: So we are very careful, we are very smart. We

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Speaker 4: use NATO standards in this war because we are fighting

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Speaker 4: according to NATO standards. We are fighting for weaponry of

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Speaker 4: NATO countries and contravansive. It's multiple operations, it's offensive, it's

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Speaker 4: defensive operations. It's tactical pauses, so it will take time.

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Speaker 4: But we have first results.

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Speaker 3: Too early to make an assessment, that's what you say.

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Speaker 4: We have first results of our contrafensive. Eight villages are liberated,

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Speaker 4: more than one one hundred thirteen square kilometers is liberated.

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Speaker 4: Seven kilometers go into the head from the front line.

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Speaker 4: So it's very important results for the two weeks and

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Speaker 4: we will continue.

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Speaker 2: And so of course now you have your on Bloomber TV.

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Speaker 2: Of course you have the investment community that's watching the center.

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Speaker 2: We also have a lot of tax payers, some of

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Speaker 2: whom are very sympathetic to Ukraine too, but they say

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Speaker 2: we want to see value for money, but also this

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Speaker 2: idea of corruption at times. I remember President Selenski said

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Speaker 2: my government will crush the oligarchs. We will be a

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Speaker 2: before and after moment in Ukraine. Is that the moment

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Speaker 2: or the message that you're sending to people thinks are

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Speaker 4: Ukraine is changing absolutely, President our government we have zero

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Speaker 4: tolerance to the corruption.

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Speaker 3: You will ditch people that are corrupted if you find anyone.

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Speaker 4: We finished formation and creation of our anti corruptional infrastructure

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Speaker 4: together with our partners. We are absolutely transparent, accountable and opened.

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Speaker 4: And this anti corruptional infrastructure is working now and we

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Speaker 4: demonstrate to all the world that we are fighting with

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Speaker 4: a corruption country and we will have results. We continue

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Speaker 4: our reforms, we continue digitalization. We take off a state

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Speaker 4: And this is very very effective way to fight corruption.

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Speaker 4: Just don't let people to be corrupted because digitalization brings

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Speaker 4: new technologies and new possibilities.

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Speaker 2: And can I ask your meeting with mister Blink and

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Speaker 2: the US Secretary of State, he was here and I

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Speaker 2: know you had a one to one meeting. There's an

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Speaker 2: election coming up in the United States. Is that something

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Speaker 2: that worries or digital in the United States is in

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Speaker 2: for the long haul?

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Speaker 3: This is about values for the US.

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Speaker 4: United States is very important partner, is the biggest supporter

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Speaker 4: for Ukraine. So we discussed all the important issues. We

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Speaker 4: discussed first of all financial support and mister Blink unknownced

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Speaker 4: the next one point three billion dollars support financial support

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Speaker 4: for Ukraine, for our reforms, for our recovery, for our

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Speaker 4: energy sector. It's very important for us. We also discuss

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Speaker 4: all other issues very important in sense of development of

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Speaker 4: my country. Despite the war, demining activity, sanctions against Russia,

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Speaker 4: development of energy sector in Ukraine, and other many other

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Speaker 4: very important issues.

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Speaker 3: So in the middle very well.

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Speaker 2: And I also wonder, however, with the average American and

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Speaker 2: maybe watching this true and it's thinking, but Ukraine is a.

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Speaker 3: Far way off. I don't know anything about this country.

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Speaker 3: What's going on there? With my money? What's your message?

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Speaker 3: What would you say?

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Speaker 4: Because what First of all, we are very grateful to

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Speaker 4: American people, to United Kingdom people, to all our partners

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Speaker 4: who support US military financially by sanctions. It's crucially important

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Speaker 4: because we are fighting not only for our land, for

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Speaker 4: our families, for our people. We are fighting for democratic

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Speaker 4: and for civilized values. It's crucial. And because of this,

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Speaker 4: all democratic world support Ukraine. Why because this is about

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Speaker 4: global security system and it's very important. Don't let any

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Speaker 4: aggressor to have a free thinking about future possible aggression.

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Speaker 2: If Russia were to win this as a hypothetical, then

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Speaker 2: would you say, it would be the moral collapse of

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Speaker 2: the West. If we'll let that happen, it would be

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Speaker 2: the moral collapse of the West.

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Speaker 3: I think that you don't even contemplate Russia winning.

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Speaker 4: It's impossible it's impossible, and I think that I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that civilized world will not let Russia win this war

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Speaker 4: because it's about existential things, it's about the world security system.

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Speaker 4: And from my side, I should say that Ukrainian have

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Speaker 4: no intention, no imagination that we may lose this war

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Speaker 4: because it's about our existence.

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Speaker 3: It's war.

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Speaker 4: With war, crimes with war against humanity, was hanocide against

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Speaker 4: Ukrainian nations. So if Russia will win this war, it

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Speaker 4: will means that Ukraine and Ukrainian nation is not exist anymore.

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Speaker 4: So from our side, we understand that we will liberate

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Speaker 4: our country and the borders as on the nineteen ninety one, and.

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Speaker 3: It is existential.

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Speaker 2: That's a word I heard the most last time I

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Speaker 2: was in Ukraine, that this was existential for the country now.

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Speaker 2: And I want to ask you, however, another existential question

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Speaker 2: perhaps is the NATO summit. You said in this conference,

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Speaker 2: for a strong economy, you need a strong country and

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Speaker 2: that means security.

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Speaker 3: What's going to happen in that meeting?

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Speaker 2: Presidence Aleski said, my people have shed blood for a

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Speaker 2: timeline now to NATO. What's going to happen in a

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Speaker 2: month time in that meeting?

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Speaker 4: I may repeat we are fighting according to NATO standards.

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Speaker 4: We are fighting by viapundry of NATO.

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Speaker 3: Why is it so scary for some?

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Speaker 4: In fact, our army is NATO army right now. We

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Speaker 4: are fighting for the same principles for which was created.

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Speaker 4: So I'm sure that membership of Ukraine in NATO it

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Speaker 4: will be a very win win situation, very mutually beneficial situations.

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Speaker 4: So we are waiting so that this summit in Widnos

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Speaker 4: will be very strong summit and we will hear very

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Speaker 4: concrete and very strong messages about Ukrainian membership and NATO,

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Speaker 4: and we hope that partners will do this. We have

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty Allians which are supporting, which are supporting Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: which signed for a declarations. We discussed with some skeptical allies,

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Speaker 3: Going and very briefly.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you hear people say just sit down and talk

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Speaker 2: to Vladimir Pudding. When you hear the name Latimir Pudding,

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Speaker 2: doesn't trit or anything and just go.

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Speaker 3: This is in the past. I'm not interested in Vladimir Pudding.

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Speaker 4: Putting is the biggest crimer of our times of twenty

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Speaker 4: first century. We don't believe that he may do something

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Speaker 4: territory may stop this war and bring peace back on

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Speaker 4: the European continent. But he has this possibility since to

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Speaker 4: two one hundred and fourteen, so we understand that this

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Speaker 4: is now impossible.

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Speaker 2: And for you, you say it's now impossible, it's too late,

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. Thank you so much, appreciate it always very

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Speaker 2: good to see in Bloomberg, and thank you for being

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Speaker 2: here with us in London.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you so much.