WEBVTT - Season 7 Therapy Session

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<v Speaker 1>I am all in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just you. I Am all in with Scott Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one eleven productions, iHeartRadio, iHeartMedia,

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<v Speaker 3>iHeart Podcast. One on one interview with Jonathan Decker, who

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<v Speaker 3>is an LMFT. He is a licensed marriage and Family

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<v Speaker 3>therapist and the CEO of Cinema Therapy and clinical director

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<v Speaker 3>of Mended Light. He is a movie buff who has

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<v Speaker 3>started a YouTube channel of therapizing if that's a word,

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<v Speaker 3>a TV and film. He's got some links to Laurele

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<v Speaker 3>I and Emily Scenes, Luke and Laurel I Scene, all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 1>iHeart podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us a little bit about how you ended up

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<v Speaker 3>analyzing films and TV shows and characters they're in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thank you for having me. I am a

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<v Speaker 2>forty three year old late bloomer for Gilmore Girls. I

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<v Speaker 2>missed it by a couple of decades and now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just adoring it and can't get enough of it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten to psychology. I wanted to be a filmmaker

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<v Speaker 2>or director or a therapist, and when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>school that's I was leaning one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally some work with some Matris teenagers, kind of like Jess.

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<v Speaker 2>It steered me in the direction of psychology and therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>But my passion for film never left me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to use movies and TV shows to illustrate

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<v Speaker 2>abstract concepts about when you're talking about. Because I became

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<v Speaker 2>a family therapist, healthy relationships, unhealthy relationships, What do these

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<v Speaker 2>principles look like? Applied? And I found that film and

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<v Speaker 2>TV was perfect in classes and in therapy for illustrating

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<v Speaker 2>what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So why did you choose Gilmore Girls?

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<v Speaker 2>I chose Gilmore Girls. That was actually our fans. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the two channels Cinema Therapy and then Mended

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<v Speaker 2>Light and Men Died Light. We do more television breakdowns,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fans on Mended Light. I was asking, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what should I do next? I covered a couple of things,

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<v Speaker 2>Buffy the Vampire Schleayer, Euphoria, a couple of things, and

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmingly the demand was for Gilmore Girls, far more than

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<v Speaker 2>any show that's airing now, I have to say, And

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<v Speaker 2>I was in my twenties when Gilmore Girls came out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not especially interested at the time. I was

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<v Speaker 2>super into twenty four and Lost in the Office and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. And what's funny to me now that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching Gilmore Girls is Luke is a character who

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<v Speaker 2>would likely not watch a show called Gilmore Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So I see it, but I see him. If I

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<v Speaker 2>had watched it, then I really I would have realized, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke is, in addition to being a wonderful character in

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<v Speaker 2>his own right, strategically, he's the surrogate for the boyfriends

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<v Speaker 2>and the husbands who might not take interest to are

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<v Speaker 2>forced to watch this show with their girlfriends or their wives.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then they attached to Luke. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that that Luke kind of keeps everything real, keeps everything dry,

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<v Speaker 2>brings it down to earth.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But and so I started doing reaction videos to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the relationships on Gilmore Girls, and they are far

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<v Speaker 2>and away our most popular videos on the channel. People

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<v Speaker 2>just can't get enough of them, which staying power because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's been a minute since you've been on

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<v Speaker 2>the air, and people just revisit it and love it

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<v Speaker 2>and share it with their their own daughters. And strangely

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<v Speaker 2>I'm drawn into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the therapy of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we think laurla I moved too fast into

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<v Speaker 3>a relationship with Christopher. What do you think was her

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<v Speaker 3>thought processing that was trying to use him to heal

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<v Speaker 3>from Luke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I listen. Having so a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a quick background, I was part way through the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>season when I got contacted about this podcast, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have crammed for the Final Life so in the past

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<v Speaker 2>week and a half binging gil Girls from season four,

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<v Speaker 2>season seven, and so it's all very fresh for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think Loralai has always used Christopher as

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<v Speaker 2>the It was the plan that she had in mind

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<v Speaker 2>if he ever grew up right, if he ever got

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<v Speaker 2>his act together. And I absolutely think she realized that

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<v Speaker 2>Luke is her soulmate. I think she realized that Luke

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<v Speaker 2>is better to her than anyone's ever been to her,

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<v Speaker 2>and that wound is so fresh and so deep that

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to go to what she's comfortable with, even

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<v Speaker 2>though she knows it's wrong, right wrong for her. She's

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<v Speaker 2>been down that road with Christopher several times, and the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest determinant of that is not because Christopher has grown

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<v Speaker 2>up in a lot of ways, but is where her

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<v Speaker 2>heart lies. And her heart absolutely lies with Luke. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no ifs ans or butts about that. I was team

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<v Speaker 2>Luke from the first episode. By the way, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even brown nosing. I'm just saying, before I even knew

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<v Speaker 2>that you had a podcast or that you and I

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<v Speaker 2>were going to be interacting in all my videos, I

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<v Speaker 2>just kept saying, if she doesn't lose, if she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>choose Luke by the end, I'm gonna riot.

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<v Speaker 1>And riot we will.

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<v Speaker 3>So the obvious advice would be for Laura I to

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<v Speaker 3>give herself more time between dumping Luke and getting involved

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<v Speaker 3>with Christopher again.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think that part of her wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>At least try to see if it could work out

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<v Speaker 3>to complete her own family dynamic.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't want to live with it. What if. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that she needed to take it all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to marriage, but to always whether she ended up

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<v Speaker 2>with Luke or not, should I close the door on

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher permanently or could it work out this time? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think she needed to explore that space in order

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<v Speaker 2>to have to have closure, and for all she knew

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to work out this time. Right, and

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<v Speaker 2>she entered into it perhaps headstrong and perhaps on the

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<v Speaker 2>rebound and perhaps hurting, but I think she entered into

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<v Speaker 2>it with good faith of want I want to have

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<v Speaker 2>this family dynamic that I've always wanted to have. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I love about the previous episode to the one

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about today, or at least I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>past couple episodes, when she writes that letter for Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because she realizes that Luke has been more of

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<v Speaker 2>a father to Rory than Christopher ever was, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense been more of a partner to me

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<v Speaker 2>and in a lot of other senses as well.

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<v Speaker 3>M all right, so you know that Christopher really pushed

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<v Speaker 3>her to marry him in Paris? Yeah, what would have

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<v Speaker 3>been a different option to handle the forceful way Christopher

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<v Speaker 3>was asking Laurel I to marry him.

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<v Speaker 1>What should Laurel I maybe have done?

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<v Speaker 2>I think if there is one of one of loural

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<v Speaker 2>Live's weaknesses and one of her beautiful characteristics, honestly, is

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<v Speaker 2>that she can be spontaneous and what she's feeling is

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<v Speaker 2>what she runs with, and sometimes she regrets that and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes following her gut leads her down the path. Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>pressured her, and she yielded, And I think she yielded,

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<v Speaker 2>as you were saying, for all for other reasons you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. I think she wanted to test this family dynamic,

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<v Speaker 2>see that could finally work. I think the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>if you have ever loved somebody and there's still goodwill

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<v Speaker 2>between you, then that love is always there. It may

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<v Speaker 2>change form, it may no longer be romantic, it may

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<v Speaker 2>no longer be sexual, but the people that matter to

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<v Speaker 2>us will always matter to us. And so it gets

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hazy. So what could she have done? She

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<v Speaker 2>could have asked for time. She could have said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in Paris and I'm heartbroken and I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to end up alone, and so I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say yes to you, Christopher. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if that's Paris and my loneliness talking, or if

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<v Speaker 2>that's because this is right and I've been through enough

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<v Speaker 2>that I really want to make sure it's on stable footing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying no. I'm saying, let me let

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<v Speaker 2>me think about it, and let me let me examine

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<v Speaker 2>my heart and see what it is that I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think of Christopher's he is he just

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<v Speaker 3>selfish or is he a narcissist?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it always seems to come back. I mean even

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<v Speaker 1>when he's you know, it's always about him.

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<v Speaker 3>He always makes it about him, and he has inconvenience

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<v Speaker 3>and he was busy and I'm sorry I couldn't. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't show up at the hospital in season seven

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<v Speaker 3>for Richard because he was a little in a snit

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<v Speaker 3>over Luke.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say more selfish than narcissism. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>can say there's narcissistic traits there. The key thing about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, narcissistic personality disorder that separates it from ego

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<v Speaker 2>or self absorption is a lack of passion, is a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of empathy. And Christopher feels genuine remorse when he

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<v Speaker 2>hurts people. The issue with him is that he's so

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<v Speaker 2>consistently he's the yin to you to Luke's yang, because

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher so consistently puts himself first, and then he feels

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<v Speaker 2>bad for hurting others for when he does that and

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<v Speaker 2>Luke does the opposite. He consistently puts other people first,

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<v Speaker 2>and then what's left for him, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's one of the reasons why Luke is so

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<v Speaker 2>often unhappy and grumpy is because he gives so much

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<v Speaker 2>because he doesn't know how to not give. And I

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<v Speaker 2>love watching some of you know, Luke's journey to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a healthier self interest, right to finding that balance

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<v Speaker 2>because the thing that I love about Luke all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to one of my favorite moments very early on,

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<v Speaker 2>is he hates and mocks the whole we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go stand out in the snow and do the Revolutionary

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<v Speaker 2>War reenactment, but he still brings the guy's coffee, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when they ask for when they say can

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<v Speaker 2>we get hot chocolate or apple cider instead? Instead of

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<v Speaker 2>saying are you kidding me? He just goes and they

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<v Speaker 2>starts taking people's words, Like Luke is always gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>the selfless thing, and I think Christopher is the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's move on to the breakup. Do you think

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<v Speaker 3>that Christopher could have changed his jealous ways when it

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<v Speaker 3>came to Luke and because he displayed this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>immaturity and jealousy. First of all, do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>jealousy was justified? Do you think her behavior was in

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<v Speaker 3>any way antagonistic or disrespectful toward Christopher.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, if it was, it certainly wasn't deliberate, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Loralai was coming from a place of sincerity. And

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about Christopher is, we're watching someone across the series,

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<v Speaker 2>and when all the characters are like this, we're watching

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<v Speaker 2>a growth arc, right, We're watching people grow into maturity.

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<v Speaker 2>And Christopher has come a long way since we first

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<v Speaker 2>met him, but in other ways he hasn't, And especially

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<v Speaker 2>when his insecurity is he I think wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be desired and he wants to be loved,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's fine, that's a human need. But the issue

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<v Speaker 2>is if somebody else is desired and loved instead of me,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a deficiency on my part instead of just

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<v Speaker 2>simply this is who the other person chooses, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And in defense of Christopher, they are. They are married

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<v Speaker 2>and so he's not entitled. But I do understand that

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a painful thing to recognize and realize.

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<v Speaker 2>But the mature, the mature way to handle it is

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<v Speaker 2>always if it's if it's truly love, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to be with me, but more than that, I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to be happy. And if you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy with me. If you're going to be happier

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<v Speaker 2>with Luke, if you're going to be happier on your own,

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<v Speaker 2>then I want that for you. And what I see

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<v Speaker 2>with Christopher a lot is is not necessarily actual love

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<v Speaker 2>for Lorli. The attraction is there, attack is there, even

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<v Speaker 2>affection is there like and it's all genuine and sincere.

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<v Speaker 2>But in order for it to be love, it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be what do you what do you need for

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<v Speaker 2>your happiness? And I want that for you?

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<v Speaker 1>And he just wasn't willing. Well. He eventually did come

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<v Speaker 1>around to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know he was. He was afraid of

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<v Speaker 3>losing hers. He was really just hanging on for dear life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, And I think that's a very compassionate

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<v Speaker 2>way to look at him. And the fact is we

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<v Speaker 2>we tend to be very judgmental of people and their

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<v Speaker 2>behaviors and just in general. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>any Gilmore Girls fan forums, I mean there's people of

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of opinions and get fired up because they

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<v Speaker 2>care so much. But the fact is, most of our

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<v Speaker 2>most harmful behaviors, most of the things that we do

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<v Speaker 2>that cause the most pain, come from a place of

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<v Speaker 2>our own pain come from we want to Everyone wants

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<v Speaker 2>to feel safe, respected and loved, and our worst behaviors

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<v Speaker 2>are either efforts to be safe, respected and loved or

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<v Speaker 2>reactions to not feeling safe, respected and loved. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't fault Christopher. I just feel like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>shame he lacks the maturity because if he could show

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<v Speaker 2>up with maturity, with selflessness, with integrity, and with accountability,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have ended up with Laura Lai. There are

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<v Speaker 2>several times while watching the show, I'm like, oh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm team Luke, but I can I wouldn't hate it

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<v Speaker 2>if she ended up with Christopher. I thought that several

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<v Speaker 2>times during the show. But every time he did something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, out of his own self interest first and

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<v Speaker 2>foremost before his daughter and the mother of his daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>I fell back on your side, brom.

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<v Speaker 3>So, all right, so this, you know, it all ended

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<v Speaker 3>between Laura and Christopher, with her saying you're the man

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<v Speaker 3>I want to want. Why do you think it took

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<v Speaker 3>her so long to get there? Let's go to the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So with Laura I and Christopher mutually agreeing that they

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<v Speaker 3>should go their separate ways, she says, you're the man

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<v Speaker 3>I want to want.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it took her this long to

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<v Speaker 1>get there?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Gilmours are a passionate family. I look

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<v Speaker 2>at Richard and Emily and for all their pretenses of

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<v Speaker 2>high society and doing things the proper way, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at any time they feel offended or slided, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all passion. And it's a similar thing with Rory and

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<v Speaker 2>with Laura. I it's hard to follow your head when

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<v Speaker 2>you're just guided by your heart. And that's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>about these these passionate characters, is Lorelai why did it

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<v Speaker 2>take her so long to say this to Christopher to

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<v Speaker 2>get there? Because of Max Medina, because of Luke, because

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that she wants out of her life,

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<v Speaker 2>because the times that she's felt hurt and had to

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<v Speaker 2>protect herself, you know, from from a million things where

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to know what you actually want when you're

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<v Speaker 2>focused on the feeling of the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, is that that is the truest statement?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, people really get lost in the moment, don't they,

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<v Speaker 3>And they just forget about the macro they do.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's and that's one thing I always liked about

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<v Speaker 2>Luke you know, and I don't want to be a

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<v Speaker 2>such a Luke stand here that I can't admit his faults.

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<v Speaker 2>But is Luke from the opening episode, Luke knows exactly

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<v Speaker 2>who is. He loves his diner, you know, he tolerates

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<v Speaker 2>the people in the town and secretly adores them and

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<v Speaker 2>would do anything for them, but he's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>let them know that, you know. And he craves a

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<v Speaker 2>simple life and deeply he craves he craves connection. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when when Richard's trying to get Luke to

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<v Speaker 2>franchise uh and and Emily's basically telling Luke you're not

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<v Speaker 2>good enough, it, it shakes him in it for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But what Luke always comes back to is I know

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<v Speaker 2>what I want. And I think Luke is the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>of Loraai because Luke sometimes is too much in his head.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's too much what's here's the here's the choice,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what I'm doing, here's my life. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in seasons five and you see kind of lore

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<v Speaker 2>Lie opening up more of that that heart side of

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<v Speaker 2>Luke that he's kept buried. And that's why I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're a good balance for each other because Luke is

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<v Speaker 2>a stabilizing influence for Law overall, and Lorelai helps Luke

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<v Speaker 2>to come out and to feel and to be presentent

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<v Speaker 2>and not be detached and distant.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, let's do a sidebar, yeah, because because I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk about a little bit about and then

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get back on the Luke Laurelei Christopher dynamic. But

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<v Speaker 3>since since it's so prevalent in season seven, but tell

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<v Speaker 3>me about your thoughts on because the thing I always

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<v Speaker 3>wondered and what I found fascinating about Laurel's character is

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<v Speaker 3>how quippy she is and how clever she is, and

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<v Speaker 3>how fast and funny she is, and how the humor

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<v Speaker 3>is constant.

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<v Speaker 1>And people often.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that because they are uncomfortable in a situation and

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<v Speaker 3>they know intimacy or they can't be intimate in that

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<v Speaker 3>situation with loved ones or friends or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like joke after joke after show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a defense makes it's a protective mask.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something in our in our mended light reactions

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<v Speaker 2>to Gilmore Girls that I've said is simultaneously endearing to

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Lauraai about about Loralai to me and drives me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is anytime there is an apology to be made, she

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<v Speaker 2>leads with a very awkward icebreaker and further alienates the

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<v Speaker 2>people that she's hurt. He sees then and then I

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<v Speaker 2>remember there's a different episode where Rory does the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, yep, they are family. But that's just

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<v Speaker 2>but that's just good writing. You know that that type

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<v Speaker 2>of consistency, and it absolutely is this this fear of vulnerability,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think she comes by that honestly. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerability was punished in her family growing up. Declaring what

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<v Speaker 2>you want, declaring your hurt was met with defensiveness and

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<v Speaker 2>blame shifting and and Laurie, Laura, I was never allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to just be real. And so this is how she

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<v Speaker 2>learned to cope. And you see this with her parents

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Loralai is always throwing jokes towards her

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 2>parents that her parents don't think is funny, but Laura

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't care. They're not for them, for her, They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>help her. They're gonna help her to feel more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she's having a little one woman show and she's

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<v Speaker 2>both the performer and the audience, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, exactly exactly, Yeah, but you also see, speaking of

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<v Speaker 4>character growth, when she's truly comfortable with a person, she

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't feel the need to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times with Rory that she doesn't lead with jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times with Luke that she doesn't lead with jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times you know in this episode that I

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<v Speaker 2>that we just watched a season seven episode fifteen, she

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<v Speaker 2>has a beautiful conversation with her mother where she tells

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<v Speaker 2>her mother that she and Christopher broke up and I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote it down. I thought it was so f she says,

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<v Speaker 2>we split up. I don't know, and then Emily says,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to say, and Laurai says, really,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's great. You don't ever have to say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to talk about it, right, it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>We're we're all good. Yeah. But Emily for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time shows just not maybe not for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're seeing late in the in the series, Emily

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<v Speaker 2>more and more just being real and valuing emotion over

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<v Speaker 2>over prestige or status or stat or or the norms

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<v Speaker 2>right that she's supposed to fulfill. And when Lauraai feels

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with her mom, she jokes less m and then

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<v Speaker 2>when LAURAAI jokes, it's not to protect herself, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>because she's still She's still her, she still likes to

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<v Speaker 2>amuse herself, right, but it's no longer a mask.

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:48.359
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the difference, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you say that with Laura l I there's a

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<v Speaker 3>reservoir of anger toward Emily and even toward Richard because

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<v Speaker 3>of the experience of being pregnant sixteen pretty much being

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<v Speaker 3>banished for not yeah, you know, telling the Gilmore line

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<v Speaker 3>as it were.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you find that to be the case?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean, and we see that all throughout the series,

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<v Speaker 2>that there are steps towards healing. But I like to

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 2>tell people we have the wrong idea about forgiveness. We

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 2>think forgiveness is a I forgive you and then it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it never happened. But forgiveness to me is

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<v Speaker 2>like exercise. You have to you have to do it

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<v Speaker 2>consistently to see the benefits, and this family takes It's hard.

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to forgive because there's so little accountability. But

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<v Speaker 2>whenever it does happen and steps are made, the pain resurfaces. Right,

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Those wounds don't just go away. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>you forgive somebody and then the wounds are gone. I

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<v Speaker 2>forgive every time the pain comes up. I forgive every

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<v Speaker 2>time the offense happens, because that's how I have to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with it. And so what we see across the

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:07.960
<v Speaker 2>entire series is a family healing baby steps, just these

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.879
<v Speaker 2>tiny little micro steps at a time.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's your defining forgiveness as something that is to

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<v Speaker 3>make a commitment too, because it's going to that forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that same forgiveness of that same issue is going

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<v Speaker 3>to rise up time and time and time again throughout

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<v Speaker 3>your life with that individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I want to make a caveat because forgiveness,

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.000
<v Speaker 2>forgiveness and trust are not the same thing. I think

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 2>trust has to be earned, and in order for us

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<v Speaker 2>to have close relationships, there has to be trust, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why several times throughout the series you see Loralai

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<v Speaker 2>withdrawing from her parents because there's no trust there, there's

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>no safety there. It doesn't mean she hates them, it

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean she doesn't love them. It just means she

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:58.679
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel safe with them. Forgiveness is I'm releasing bitterness

0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and anger so that I don't carry it with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So it's for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost a selfish thing, or it's a healing thing,

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 3>a personal healing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a self healing thing, and we extend compassion to

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the person who gives offense by understanding where they come from.

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.200
<v Speaker 2>If Loralai were in therapy with me throughout the series,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, look, we can't control what your parents do.

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 2>We can try to influence, we can try and help

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<v Speaker 2>them have light bulb moments to see things differently, but

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.639
<v Speaker 2>they've shown their incredibly rigid so we can't control what

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>they do. We can control what you do, and every

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 2>time they hurt you when you choose to let go,

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.199
<v Speaker 2>not to condone and not to say it's okay, but

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>to say, Emily's gonna and Emily's gonna Emily and Richard's gonna. Richard, Right,

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna do what they do. So how close do

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to be with them depends on how much

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I trust them. Not a lot Friday night dinners, Right,

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 2>that's what we got. We're not much in each other's

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 2>lives other than that because there's no trust there. But

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Loralai could be happier unless bothered by what Emily and

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Richard do by practicing forgiveness. Again, it's not because they

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:10.399
<v Speaker 2>deserve it. It's because this is how I keep my

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.919
<v Speaker 2>side of the street clean. It's how I heal and

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>when we have interactions, it's how I keep things from

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<v Speaker 2>going bad on my end, right, I help de escalate

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, forgiveness is a powerful thing. It is, yeah, a powerful,

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 3>powerful thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Luke and Laurel I communicate because it seems like it

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 3>seems like, you know, we discussed in a nauseum about

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 3>the April coming and seeing him wanting to spend time

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.719
<v Speaker 3>with her away from Laurel I, and he kind of

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:00.919
<v Speaker 3>shut Laurel I e out of that whole experience.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that whole arc?

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:11.919
<v Speaker 2>So as candidly, there's two parts of me. There's a

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>part of me that is frustrated because it feels like, well,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>we don't have a finish line for the series, so

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 2>we're creating some new drama when after all these seasons,

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I like a lot of people just want to see

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Luke and Loralei together and more or less happy, right,

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I don't think it's untrue

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>to Luke. Luke and Lorali both strike me as people

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 2>who've experienced what I call micro traumas right. We often

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.199
<v Speaker 2>in the psychological world we think of trauma. We think

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:46.120
<v Speaker 2>of near death experiences, right or abuse or some heinous

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 2>acts of violence, or near or almost dying. But the

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 2>fact is, like the little things can pile up and

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 2>have the same response in our in our brains right

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>where where we feel triggered, and then we want to

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<v Speaker 2>with wrong, and we take actions to protect ourselves, and

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>we lie instinctively because we don't want to be hurt again,

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<v Speaker 2>or because we don't want to hurt a person that

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<v Speaker 2>we care about. Was I frustrated that Luke didn't tell

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Liaie for such an extended period of time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody was. I'm you you probably were. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, I don't think it's it's untrue

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody like Luke who has had his heart broken

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of times, someone like Luke who has lost

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<v Speaker 2>his lost his father, has had a rocky relationship with

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:37.239
<v Speaker 2>his sister, who took Jess in and completely gave his

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<v Speaker 2>heart and soul to Jess. I mean the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he was you know, a bit of a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a punk about it the whole time is just Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>but but he was, he was one hundred percent there

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<v Speaker 2>for Jess. And how many times this man feels like

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<v Speaker 2>I've done something where I screwed it up, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of Luke's selflessness is he also takes responsibility

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 2>for the happiness of other people, right, And so Luke

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>having a daughter that he didn't know about, he now

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 2>feels like I missed all these years where I could

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<v Speaker 2>have been a dad, where I could have been there

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<v Speaker 2>for her. I imagine there's a little bit of looking

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<v Speaker 2>in the mirror, feeling like a failure of why didn't

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the mother tell me and involve me in this? And

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<v Speaker 2>then Laurai has made it very clear several times like

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<v Speaker 2>and and I know Luke and Lauray have talked about

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 2>having kids together. But then there are also times where

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 2>she thought she was pregnant, right, and she was, and

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:32.919
<v Speaker 2>she didn't tell Luke about this, But there's just biased

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<v Speaker 2>from Laura. I'm like, oh, gosh, I don't want a

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>baby right now, like oh to bring another person into

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>their lives, and I think Luke panics, And so this

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<v Speaker 2>is all listen. I don't want to be too big

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<v Speaker 2>of a I'm biased, but I think therapy helps with

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<v Speaker 2>these types of things. And that leads up, Oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>opens up another avenue of how do you get someone

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<v Speaker 2>like Luke into therapy because it's it's not his jam

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.639
<v Speaker 2>and I and I have to say, as a therapist,

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 2>my absolute favorite Luke moment is when he's listening to

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 2>the tapes and the and the whole time he's just like,

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 2>this is such bull crap, and he's just he thinks

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>it's so ridiculous, and that he has a light bulb

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>moment that you know, of who do you choose? Who

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>do you really want to be with? Who do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to see?

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Who's face do you see?

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 5>Right?

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Who's face are you thinking of?

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>That that whole right and.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things happen for Luke. One is on the much

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<v Speaker 2>bigger important level, is that he realizes Laura lies. The

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>one but two for me as a therapist is realizing, oh,

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe this isn't such you know malarkey after all.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's move on to you know, some of the

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 3>parental relationships in the show. You know, Laurel I not

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<v Speaker 3>having a stable male figure in her life, either growing

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 3>up or in the early part of her adult life.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than Luke, I would say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how do you think this affects Rory going forward

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<v Speaker 3>and Rory making her choices life partner?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Rory has had a wonderful model in her mother.

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can say in a lot of traditional

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>mom things, Lorlai is not that she's a very different person,

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>but in what truly matters, the support and the unconditional

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 2>love and the sense of belonging you know that she

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>gives Rory. I think Rory knows that she can do

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>it on her own because she's seen her mom do it.

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>And so my hope for Rory and I understand there's

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<v Speaker 2>a Gilmore Girls A year in the life again. I

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>spent the past couple of weeks catching up on three

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 2>seasons of Gilmore Girls to get up to where we

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>are today. So I don't know what happens after this.

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 3>All right, we'll have you back on after you watch

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<v Speaker 3>the Netflix episodes.

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I would love that. Yeah, I would love that,

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yeah, But I do hope for Rory that, Okay,

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I can do it on my own. So if I

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 2>have somebody, it's because I want this person not because

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I need a man, not because I need a partner.

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>It's because I want to share this experience, my life

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 2>and maybe create starting a family or whatever with this

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>specific person. And I think Rory has been a lot

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>like Laura LII, and that Laura Liai knows that she

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>can stand on her own, but she still really wants somebody,

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes she wants it so painfully that she makes

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 2>not great choices. That's Laurali. That's also Rory right again,

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>very passionate people, but you see them across the series

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>grow more into Okay, I'm going to bring my my

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 2>judgment up to my passion right that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to lead with my head and my heart

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to when it comes to relationships. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's my assessment of Rory. So we'll see what

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<v Speaker 2>happens if I'm right or not.

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<v Speaker 1>See what happens. What do you think of Season seven?

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<v Speaker 2>So far? So good?

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>There's some good episodes.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 3>There's some actually very very good episodes in season seven

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 3>so far.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I have gotten into the fan debate, and I know

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>there's something for a lot of TV shows and a

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of my favorite TV shows there's like a five

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>season curse. You have a really solid five seasons and

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>then after that it's hit or miss. I think The Office,

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, these all shows that

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that that happens with. So here's my take

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>on season seven. The writing isn't as sharp and it's

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>not as consistent, but there are moments that make up

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 2>for it.

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 3>It's very well said, that's very well set. There's some

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 3>big moments, very well set.

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 2>This moment between Lorli and Emily in this episode we

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>just watched, where Laurla is expecting her mom's judgment and

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>disdain and just gets acceptance is beautiful, is wonderful. Frankly,

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.479
<v Speaker 2>I feel I don't know if you followed uh The

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Office all the way to the end, but their their

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 2>final season reminds me a lot of Season seven of

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Gilmore Girls, in that, Okay, we're no longer in the prime,

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.719
<v Speaker 2>but we're substitute. We're trading some of the wit and

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.719
<v Speaker 2>some of the consistency for a few standout moments that

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 2>everyone really wants and needs. You know, not not to

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>get off the Gilmore Girls too much, but like if

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>you go into the Office, Jim and Pam and their

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>marriage is on the rocks and they reconcile, or or

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Jim and Dwight becoming friends instead of being enemies. You know.

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:48.719
<v Speaker 2>There there there are emotional bits of closure that are worthwhile.

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I'm finding with season seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting Jonathan, It's been a delight. There's so much more

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 3>to unpack. We're gonna let's let's have you back on

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 3>very interesting insights. Yeah, watch the episodes and we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Chat about it. Okay, I'll come back.

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you, Thank you very much. I would love

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>to be here. And for your listeners, if you want

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to see me break down Gilmore Girls, it's on mended

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Light YouTube channel and just go in there and search

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Gilmore Girls and you can you can watch just how

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>much I gush over Luke as a straight middle aged man.

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of embarrassing. But here we are so.

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<v Speaker 3>Appreciate your time and your insights, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully we'll see you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a pleasure, all right, Jonathan. Great meeting and

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<v Speaker 1>great talking to you. Be well.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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