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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome to another episode of Move

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Speaker 2: the Sticks Shrine Bowl crew on the mics. Here with

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Speaker 2: your at Lewis Bucky Brooks. Of course we got our

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Speaker 2: buddies lancerd Line, Daniel Jeremiah down in mobile handling the

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl activities. But we are here at the ninety

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Speaker 2: ninth Annual Shrine Bowl. Bucky and you and I have

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Speaker 2: done this as a play by playing color analyst team

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Speaker 2: for the NFL Network broadcast which is coming up Thursday

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Speaker 2: night at eight o'clock Eastern time. We've done this for

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Speaker 2: three years now, and this event is actually pretty cool,

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Speaker 2: moving from Vegas to the Cowboys practice facility at the

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Speaker 2: Star in Frisco, Texas, and man, I think these players

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Speaker 2: are really getting a lot out of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's been a great event.

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Speaker 1: I think they's been a really good job of late

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Speaker 1: of upgrading the event, not only for the players but

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Speaker 1: for the coaches. When you talk to the coaches, the

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Speaker 1: coaches to talk about how it's been a fan fantastic

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Speaker 1: networking opportunity. Some describe it as a think tank where

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Speaker 1: you have a bunch of young coaches exchanging ideas, whether

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Speaker 1: there's scheme, where there's organization or practice structure, big picture philosophy,

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Speaker 1: all those things have been great for the players. It's

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Speaker 1: a great opportunity to learn the game from pros to

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Speaker 1: get ready for I would say the biggest job interview

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Speaker 1: that you will have not only what you do in

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Speaker 1: the game, but what you're about to do when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the combine and pro days. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a preview of what life as a pro athlete

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Speaker 1: will be. And I think there's a lot that these

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Speaker 1: them to be successful down the line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that we've talked about a

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Speaker 2: lot this week, and obviously we focus on the quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: a lot here. They touch the ball on every play,

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Speaker 2: you know, we end up calling their names quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: And there's a really good group.

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Speaker 2: There's six guys that are going to see the field

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night here from Frisco, Texas. In every single

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Speaker 2: one of them not only played for more than one

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Speaker 2: but they've played in at least forty collegiate games, and

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Speaker 2: that's something that kind of ties the last couple of

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Speaker 2: years together as well with Brock Perdy played a ton

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Speaker 2: Aidan O'Connell, Dorian Thompson, Robinson, and it feels like the

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Speaker 2: whereas guys are you know, teams are more I guess

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Speaker 2: on the skill set but have seen a lot of ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the big thing.

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Speaker 1: When you're looking for prospects that can have success, You're

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, Okay, what plays well if you

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Speaker 1: look at what is playing well of late, guys that

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Speaker 1: Bill Parceales used to have a rule where guys were

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Speaker 3: Man, that's significant.

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Speaker 1: The amount of throws that you make, the amount of

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Speaker 2: What have you seen from Leah? What did you learn

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting talking to Mike Blacksley about Leah

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Speaker 3: He talked about how Tua was a people pleaser.

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Speaker 1: Tua needed to not only know that you trusted him,

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Speaker 3: He said, Leah is a little different.

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Speaker 1: Felt like, he had a great demeanor, had a great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, continuing and look, there's a ton

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just the similarities. And one of the things that

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Speaker 1: they understand the blueprint to success. For Frank Gore, his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great point there as well. And then from the receivers,

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to be really intriguing the teams.

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Speaker 3: But the combination of what he did his final.

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Speaker 2: the game. And I got a feeling that these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Williams from Illinois was the guy Austin mentioned. Man,

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Speaker 3: You know, in a limited.

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Speaker 2: Amount of time, he's built up a really good chemistry

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Speaker 3: Really good group.

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Be sure to catch the broadcast on NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks, myself, Jane Slater will all be a part

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Speaker 2: of the action Thursday night, eight o'clock Eastern time from Frisco, Texas.

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Speaker 2: Until then, we look forward to catching up a bit

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Speaker 2: more from All Star Game season when we get back

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Speaker 2: from the Shrine Bowl. Right here on, move the sticks