1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Shortly after my sixteenth birthday, invested two thousand of my 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: earnings I was going to use for college into the 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: initial coin operative Center Tech. I lost most of my 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: original investment and was left with tokens for a company 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: it's worthless, a sham, and a fraud. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Victim impact statements these offer the opportunity to describe the emotional, physical, 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: and financial impact of a crime they have suffered. As 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: the case against Center Tech drew closer, the government heard 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: from many investors. 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I bet that most of the victims of this crime 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: ordinary people like me. 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 3: All your funds are gone, just overnight gone. My soul 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: was crushed at that point. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 4: People are financially ruined from this and they're clinging at straws. 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: There's been so much trauma involved, it brings it back 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: up every time I think about it. 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: As you can imagine, most of these victims were pissed. 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 5: The founders of CenTra genuinely hurt people. 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 6: In my case, it led to a falling out, and 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 6: ultimately I haven't spoken to my father in four years now. 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I ask the court to make sure this case is 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: a powerful precedent that deters anyone from doing this again. 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: But here's the thing, the case against centri Tech would 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: never go to trial. I'm Johnny be Good and this 25 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: is creating a con the story of Bitcom episode eight, 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: the United States versus centri Tech. Imagine you start a 27 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: company in July. By late October, that company has collected 28 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: tens of millions of dollars and its valuation is in 29 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: the hundreds of millions. That's going to raise a few eyebrows, 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: and it did. This was the reality for Centritech. By 31 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: November twenty seventeen, the SEC was looking deeply into the 32 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: activities of the tech firm and its founders. Five months later, 33 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: Ray Trepani, Sam Sorby Sharma, and Robert Farkes found themselves 34 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: sitting behind bars for wire fraud, securities fraud, and conspiracy 35 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: to commit both. They were each facing up to sixty 36 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: five years in prison. I fancy myself many things, but 37 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: a lawyer is not one of them. So here's former 38 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: SEC Prosecutor Howard Fisher to explain the serious charges they 39 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: were facing. 40 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 7: Wire fraud is actually one of the most commonly charged 41 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 7: frauds because it's so broad. It simply means that there 42 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 7: were lies told and wires were used. So if they're emails, 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 7: or if there are bank statements, or if there are 44 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 7: transfers of funds that take place electronically, and there were 45 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 7: lies told, it's a wire. 46 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 5: Fraud and securities fraud. 47 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 7: Securities fraud is basically I am lying to you or 48 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 7: I'm not telling you something you need to know, and 49 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 7: there is a purchase or sale or offering of a 50 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 7: security involved. 51 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: And of course conspiracy to commit both. Remember, a security 52 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 2: is a term that's used to describe a wide array 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: of investments, such as stocks and bonds, really any type 54 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: of investment that's expected to increase in value. The FEDS 55 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: were out to set a precedent to define cryptocurrencies as 56 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: a security. They thought by doing so, it would ensure 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: everyday investors were in preyed on by fraudile on actors 58 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: in the crypto space like Centritech. To do so, the 59 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: SEC wanted to pin y Sam Sharma and Robert Farcus 60 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: to the wall. Just to be clear, I know exactly 61 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: what the Feds came across in their investigation, but we 62 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: wanted to take you through some of the evidence we 63 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: saw in the SEC's indictment, evidence that we also came 64 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: across and producing this podcast a timeline of the life 65 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: and death of CenTra. It wasn't a long life, but 66 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: it was a full one. For the FEDS to build 67 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: their case, they would need to start by understanding how 68 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: the concept behind Centritech came to be. That information was 69 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: public from one of Sam Sharma's early interviews. 70 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 8: One day, I was like, what if I could just 71 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 8: go spend my bitcoins and just go buy stuff with 72 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 8: it without having to worry about withdrawing, depositing, et cetera. 73 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 8: And that's where kind of the idea manifested for centric Card. 74 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: Sam Sharma's vision to disrupt the crypto space was conceived 75 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: on July eighth, twenty seventeen, when he registered the website 76 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: CenTra dot tech. Ray remembers hearing the idea from Sam 77 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: for the first time. 78 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 9: But no fucking idea what crypto is or anything about 79 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 9: it or what he's talking about. But I do trust 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 9: his business sense. 81 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: Ray joined the company that very same month, and Robert Farcas, 82 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: the brother of Sam's girlfriend, joined shortly after. 83 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: Later. 84 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: In July of twenty seventeen, Sam Sharman incorporated center Tech 85 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: in Delaware, with offices out of Sam's apartment in Miami. 86 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: According to the government filings, Center Tech was born on 87 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: July twenty seventh, twenty seventeen. 88 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 9: After the groundworks all laid where in Serbey's apartment every day. 89 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: A bunch of guys working out of an apartment wasn't 90 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: the look they were going for, so they created a 91 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: fictitious CEO named Michael Edwards. 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 9: The name is obviously just a very generic Michael Edwards 93 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 9: with a picture of some random guy from Canada that 94 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 9: looks professional. 95 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: This didn't go unnoticed, As Nathaniel Popper of The New 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: York Times recalls, one. 97 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 10: Of the bloggers started digging into this and discovered that 98 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 10: the image of their CEO, this guy Michael Edwards, was 99 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 10: back to professor at a Canadian university who had absolutely 100 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 10: nothing to do with Center Tech. 101 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: This was the first clear case of fraud marketing to 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: potential investors that your company was being run by a 103 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: Harvard educated banker with decades of experience, when in reality, 104 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: Michael Edwards never even existed. That wasn't the only thing 105 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: Ray and Sam did to mislead investors. According to text 106 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: messages obtained by the SEC, in late July twenty seventeen, 107 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: Sam told Ray to go make a LinkedIn and make 108 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: as many connections as you can link yourselves as Center Tech, 109 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: as COO, Google coo LinkedIn profiles and get all the info. 110 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: Ray responded accordingly, it was like. 111 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 9: A mad rush to create LinkedIn's and me and sorby 112 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 9: both put education from Harvard. Obviously, people start questioning that 113 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 9: I changed mind to UCLA shortly after. 114 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know he transferred another instance of whire fraud. 115 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: Ray never attended Harvard or UCLA for that matter, but 116 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 2: he had investors thinking he did. As Center Tech's fundraising ICO, 117 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: or initial coin offering, launched at the end of July 118 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, the guys slapped together a white paper using 119 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: sophisticated methods such as control C and control v plagarizing 120 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 2: their business plan from another crypto company. The SEC found 121 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: that Centra's original white paper touted relationships with Bancor as 122 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: well as Visa and MasterCard, but New York Times reporter 123 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: Nathaniel Popper revealed those relationships never existed. 124 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 9: That's like the most illegal thing we did was saying 125 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 9: that we had those bank contracts. 126 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 5: More wire fraud. 127 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: Look, I have no idea how Ray comes up with 128 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: his whole criminal scoring system. But it all sounds super 129 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: illegal to me. Then in August, center received an unlikely 130 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: endorsement from a crypto guru named Cliff High. 131 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 9: From Cliff, I kickstarted our whole thing. 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: Cliff naming the wrong CenTra and his wealth report that 133 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: misprint sparked a flurry of investments from his fan base, 134 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: and even though he retracted it and apologized quickly, Cliff's 135 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: words carried some significant financial weight. We emailed Cliff asking 136 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: him to sit for an interview on this podcast. He 137 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: responded to our producer, Nope, period, not interested. Period in 138 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: the past period alrighty. Then by the end of August, 139 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: Centertech received their first season desist letter from Bancourt. That's 140 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: when investigators found evidence that the co founders started scrubbing 141 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: bankcor from their marketing materials. Here's Nathaniel Popper of The 142 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: New York Times again. 143 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 10: Every time that they respond by scrubbing something, they're acknowledging 144 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 10: that whatever they've scrubbed as a problem. 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: I'd imagine investigators agreed with Nathaniel's assessment removal of the 146 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: fraud that should count. By September, Center Tech had brand ambassadors. 147 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 9: We got in touch with Floyd Mayweather and we're like, 148 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 9: you know, let's get an endorsement. And Floyd Mayweather does 149 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 9: a commercial for US and he does two Instagram posts 150 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 9: for two hundred thousand. 151 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Then came a second celebrity promoter another. 152 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 9: One, and so we're like, yo, let's get DJ Khaled. 153 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 5: Some would say the best. 154 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 11: Way, the best. 155 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: The guys paid fifty thousand to DJ Khaled, who in 156 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: turn posted on Instagram about the center Card being a 157 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: game changer. 158 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 9: And that brings in, like, you know, a couple million. 159 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: That was problematic for the SEC because Floyd Mayweather and 160 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: DJ Khaled failed to disclose that they were paid to 161 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: endorse centri Tech. And guess what, the SEC came after 162 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: them too. Turns out they were the first to get 163 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 2: fined by the SEC for promoting a cryptocurrency. These fines 164 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: weren't light. Floyd Mayweather paid over six hundred thousand dollars 165 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 2: in penalties, while DJ Khaled was fined over one hundred 166 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars. The SEC came across more text 167 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: messages between the co founders. September twenty ninth, Sam texts 168 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: Ray and farcas anything that doesn't exist current we need 169 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: to remove we don't have a real product either. 170 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 5: Right now. 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 9: There's text messages in my indictment that say, you know, 172 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 9: we have to clear all the fufu, Like that's kind 173 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 9: of what we were thinking, like all the bullshit, We 174 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 9: had to just take it away. 175 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: That was around the time Nathaniel Popper was investigating Centritech 176 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: for his New York Times cover story. 177 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 10: How Floyd Mayweather helped two young guys from Miami get rich. 178 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: After lots of digging into the company, Nathaniel learned the 179 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: truth or lack thereof around centri Tech and printed his 180 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: juicy article. 181 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 10: On October twenty seventh. That's the day that the New 182 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 10: York Times article appeared, and that's the day when it 183 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 10: became clear that this was not a real business. 184 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: By the end of March twenty eighteen, the Southern District 185 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: of New York, the FBI, and the SEC filed charges. 186 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: On April first, twenty eighteen, the SEC officially shut down 187 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: center Tech, and by the end of the month, all 188 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: three co founders were sitting in jail facing criminal charges. 189 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: Center Tech investor Mehdi was shocked at what he found online. 190 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: I went onto center Tech's website and you get that 191 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: big screen that says SEC Security Exchange Commission shut down 192 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: site and had their big logo in the middle of 193 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: the screen. 194 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: The government felt confident with the evidence they had, but 195 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: they wanted one more asset on their side before going 196 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: to trial. By the end of April twenty eighteen, Ray 197 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: found himself locked up in Broward County Jail in Miami, 198 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: awaiting word on what would be next for him. His 199 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: bail was set at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 200 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 9: I'm in jail for like a week, basically just withdraw 201 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 9: cold turkey in a prison. 202 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: Ray's mom, Carrie, she always finds a way. She posted 203 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: bond for Ray that week, but the court had one condition. 204 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: His next stop would have to be rehabed. It would 205 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: be Ray's thirteenth visit. We were all hoping things would 206 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: be different this time. 207 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 9: I'm just like fucking going on like paddle boards and 208 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 9: going to the beach and you know, flirting with like 209 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 9: random crackheads in the rehab you know, regular shit. More 210 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 9: worried about like my cigarettes than I was about like 211 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 9: anything people had been to rehab. Understand what I'm saying. 212 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: I gotta believe that deep down, Ray knew if he 213 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: didn't get his shit together, he'd be sitting in a 214 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: cell until his ninetieth birthday. Ray and I were talking 215 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: more regularly at this point. Ray's mom had just landed 216 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: him a new lawyer and they were forming a defense 217 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: on one call with him. I remember Ray explaining the 218 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: choices as lawyer laid out for him. 219 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 12: She's like, three things you can do fight the case, which, 220 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 12: of course you like a million dollars, cooperate, or you 221 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 12: can plead out or some shit like that. 222 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: You know. 223 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 7: The push for cooperators really took off following the financial crisis. 224 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: Once again, here's our friend Howard Fisher, formerly of the SEC. 225 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 7: Cooperators can be essential for variety of reasons. First, they 226 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 7: could tell you where the bodies are buried. They could 227 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 7: also help you in the discovery process, walk you through 228 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 7: the documents. I mean, in a lot of cases you 229 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 7: have literally millions of documents, but they don't necessarily connect 230 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 7: unless you have someone to connect them. And finally, and 231 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,239 Speaker 7: perhaps the most important reason why you have a cooperator 232 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 7: is that it prevents the other defenders from telling a 233 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 7: story without any checks on it. 234 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 9: I might fucking whatever, I'll cooperate sounds good to me. 235 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 9: I mean, I've always co operated every time, every time 236 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 9: I've ever got in trouble in my life. 237 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: I'm just like, all right, fucking I'll help with you. 238 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 9: Benef it's me fuck them words. 239 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: I never thought I would hear Ray Trepani, state's witness. 240 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 9: I was just so willing to talk at this point. 241 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 9: I was like, there's nothing for me to hide anymore 242 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 9: in my life, Like I want to get this shit across. 243 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: Ray flipping on salmon farcas was the final piece prosecutors needed. 244 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: At the advice of his attorney, Ray agreed to the 245 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: government steal. But to get that deal, Ray would need 246 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: to spill the tea like kettles of tea, like the 247 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: fucking Boston Tea Party two point zero. 248 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 9: The first time meeting with them is the hardest. You know, 249 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 9: you end up having to go back to like your 250 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 9: youngest childhood crimes, and you committed selling wheat and large 251 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 9: amounts of heroin and cocaine and drugs like that. 252 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 5: This was no simple interrogation. 253 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: Ray was sitting in front of FBI agents, SEC investigators, 254 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: and US district attorneys. 255 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 5: Tough crowd, i'd say, and he break that ice. 256 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 9: They're basically just dogging me, right, like, just completely shitting 257 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 9: on me. We're going to fuck you if you're not 258 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 9: telling us the truth because there's a trust barrier, right. 259 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: If they were going to put Ray on the stand 260 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: testify against Sam Sharma and Robert Farcas, they needed to 261 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: know he was willing to come clean about everything from 262 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: high school to crimes. He wasn't even alive to see. 263 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 9: They even asked me about my grandfather and if my 264 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 9: grandfather ever committed any crimes. I'm like, yeah, he definitely 265 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 9: committed crimes. I just have no idea what he did. 266 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: That's a tall order for Ray. This kid is coming 267 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: down off a decade of excessive drug use. To remember 268 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: each one of his infractions had to be impossible, right well, 269 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: Ray past the test and Rai's cooperation. It led to 270 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: a pretty wild indictment by the SEC, which they brought 271 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: to the Southern District of New York. 272 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 7: There's so much it's like you're going to Thanksgiving. There 273 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 7: are forty seven vegetable side dishes, and you like vegetable 274 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 7: side dishes. 275 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: Here's former SEC Prosecutor Howard Fisher again, who happens to 276 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: be pretty good with analogies. 277 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 7: Do you go for lying about your executive board, making 278 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 7: stuff up about your business partners, perhaps a little appetizer 279 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 7: of using celebrity endorsements. Maybe finish up with a dessert 280 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 7: of paying off people on the internet who put in 281 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 7: bad statements about you. Whatever you choose, you have an 282 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 7: incredible feast laid out before you. 283 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: That feast for the SEC prosecutors, well, it was served 284 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: up by Rays. He cooperated with investigators and it didn't disappoint. 285 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 7: It's also not only one of these loast of complaints 286 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 7: with tons of stuff. It was among the first ico prosecutions. 287 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 5: That's right. 288 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: Centro was one of the first crypto companies to be 289 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: prosecuted for fraud because it was the first of its kind. 290 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: The SEC had Ray walk them through everything that took 291 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: place behind Centra's doors. 292 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 13: At the time, you had the SEC, Justice Treasury all 293 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 13: trying to figure out what the fuck is bitcoin. 294 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: That's Robert Farcas's lawyer, Paul Petruzzi. Robert was raised former 295 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: partner at Center Tech. 296 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 13: From an idea perspective, CenTra was a very very good idea. 297 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 13: But you can only fake it till you make it. 298 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 13: For so long before they find out that your Harvard 299 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 13: degree is not so crimson fake pictures, fake degrees, it's 300 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 13: stuff that's easy to prove is false. And see, that's 301 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 13: where you become a. 302 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: Target and has a strong opinion about what happened once 303 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: Center Tech became a target. 304 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 13: I think if there wasn't a New York Times article, 305 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 13: it wouldn't have been a prosecution. 306 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: That could be true, But remember the New York Times 307 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: article came out the same month that authorities copied all 308 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: the data off Ray's business phone. That's text, messages, emails, contacts, 309 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: you name it. Authorities got full access to all of 310 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: Ray's frauduleent behavior. Our team couldn't confirm exactly what started 311 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: the investigation, but Ray's arrests from his perjury charge certainly 312 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: feels like a front runner. 313 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 13: I think they were almost embarrassed into prosecuting the case. 314 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: On the opposite side, I'm sure the government was less 315 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: concerned about the optics around the New York Times article 316 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: and more focused on ensuring their key witness didn't embarrass 317 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: them in court. 318 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 13: I don't know how they prepped Ray, because they managed 319 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 13: to get him on a day where he wasn't high. 320 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean He's not wrong. Ray was whacked out of 321 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: his mind throughout his time at Center Tech. So was 322 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: the government see curious about putting Ray on the stand. 323 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 13: I was chomping at the bit to go to trial 324 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 13: on this because I wanted to cross Ray bad. It 325 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 13: was more than just you know, him going on benders 326 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 13: and burglarizing houses. It was more than him violating his 327 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 13: conditions of release by testing positive for drugs to bad 328 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 13: shit bringing a gun to the office repeatedly. I mean, 329 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 13: who does that? 330 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: The trial kept getting pushed, and then COVID hit, which 331 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: put the trial on ice for even longer. Farcas and 332 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: Petruzzi had an important decision to make. 333 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 13: Could we have put on a defense that the real 334 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 13: purpose that the false statements were made were to fit 335 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 13: in We're to stop being rassed about being so young 336 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 13: or so brown. We're to stop being rassed for being 337 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 13: a dropout from West Virginia University instead of a Harvard grad. Yes. 338 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 13: Was there an obvious intent to have this company be legitimate? Yes? 339 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 13: But does that take away from prior misrepresentations? No, and 340 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 13: so a trial in this case would have been extraordinarily risky. 341 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: During the summer of twenty twenty, over two years since 342 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: their arrest, both Robert and Sam Sharma decided to plead out. 343 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: In Robert's deal, he admitted to one count of wirefraud 344 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: and one count of conspiracy to commit wirefraud. 345 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 13: Robert's the good man who got caught up in something 346 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 13: that just went too far. 347 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: Given that most of the world was on lockdown thanks 348 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: to COVID. Both sentencing hearings were done virtually, like over 349 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: a zoom call. Farcas's hearing was up first in December 350 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Instead of standing in a New York courtroom, 351 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: he was in front of a computer screen at his 352 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: home in Florida. His family and even Sam were there 353 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: with him. His lawyer made one final case for why 354 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: Robert shouldn't spend the next ten years behind bars. 355 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 13: He's one of those defendants that shouldn't have been a 356 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 13: defendant to begin with. He came into CenTra, and I 357 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 13: was really doing good things there to try to turn 358 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 13: what started initially in a wrong way into a company 359 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 13: that could have gone places. 360 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: Robert would then make his final plea to the judge 361 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: for mercy. There aren't recordings of these hearings, so we 362 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: used voice actors. To recreate what was said in the 363 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: court transcripts of the proceedings. Here's Robert Farcas's statement to 364 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: Judge Laurna Schofield. 365 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: I do want to say that I am extremely ashamed 366 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 4: of my actions. There are not enough words for me 367 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 4: to find to say that I'm sorry to the victims, 368 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: but I'm sincerely sorry. As I rock my daughter to 369 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 4: sleep every night, I think of what kind of father 370 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 4: I want to be. Being her father is the most 371 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 4: incredible and fulfilling role that I've ever been granted that 372 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: it saddens me. 373 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: At the same time, the judge called Farcas the least 374 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: guilty of the three partners, but was his guilt small 375 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: enough to avoid prison time. 376 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 14: Mister Farcas, after assessing the particular facts of this case, 377 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 14: it is the judgment of the court that you were 378 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 14: to serve a custodial sentence of a year and a day, 379 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 14: to be followed by three years of supervis relief. 380 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 13: I wasn't expecting a pass I thought it was a 381 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 13: good sentence. I thought it was a good result in 382 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 13: the case. 383 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: With Robert getting a year and a day in prison, 384 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: the court turned its attention to Sam Sharma, whose sentencing 385 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: hearing took on a completely different tone. In March of 386 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, nearly three years since his arrest, Sam 387 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: Sharma logged onto the most important zoom call of his life, 388 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: his sentencing hearing. The mastermind behind Centritech had pled guilty 389 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit mail fraud, 390 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: and conspiracy to commit securities fraud. Unlike Robert Farcas's hearing, 391 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: they were a handful of tech investors listening in. 392 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: The FBI had reached out to me and asked me 393 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: to testify as a victim in Sam Sharma's sentencing. 394 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: Nick Bail was one of those Center Tech investors on 395 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: the call. By the time of Sam's sentencing, Nick was 396 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: a freshman in college and had lost the two grand 397 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: he invested when he was only sixteen. He listened to 398 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: the hearing from his college dorm in Michigan. 399 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: The prosecution comes up and they just teared the guy 400 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: to shreds. I mean for almost an hour. You know, 401 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: every detail of his life, every stone got unturned, every relationship, 402 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: every petty thing he did when he was probably sixteen 403 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: that he thought was funny. 404 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: Here's the thing about sentencing hearings, every bad thing you've 405 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: done in your life, it all gets brought up. That 406 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: meant that judge heard about Sam's many scams and schemes, 407 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 2: including the perjury charge that stemmed from SAM'SDWI, even crimes 408 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: that Sam was never charged with, like those ghost loans 409 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: from his days as a car salesman and the three 410 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: hundred ninety five thousand in law he took out in 411 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: the name of an elderly man. They even touched on 412 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: the time Sam ripped off a priest. According to prosecutors, 413 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: Sam Sharma pulled off four major schemes, with Centritech being 414 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: his greatest. Here's what prosecutor Nagar Tekie had to say, 415 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: followed by Sam Sharma's attorney, Jerry Coriglia. 416 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 15: Your honor, he was the admitted and undisputed mastermind of 417 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 15: this scheme, who oversaw every aspect of its operation, and 418 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 15: who personally obtained approximately thirty six million in fraud proceeds. 419 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, this guy's going to jail for life, 420 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: and then the defense comes up. 421 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 11: During his teen years, his parents got divorced, which took 422 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 11: an emotional toll on him. Not just an emotional toll, 423 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 11: a financial toll. He was a disappointment to his father, 424 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 11: and his father put immense pressure on him and that 425 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 11: had a substantial effect on him. 426 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: Remember like almost tearing up at that point. I was like, 427 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: this is really raw, really. 428 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 11: Emotional, but the bottom line is passed. As well as 429 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 11: the fact that he was using alcohol and marijuana during 430 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 11: this time factored into his decision making. 431 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, maybe he's not going to jail for life, 432 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: even though I probably shouldn't have. I've felt empty. He's 433 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: a young guy trying to start a family, and how 434 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: he's gotten receive the light a day. 435 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: For years, Sam's lawyer claimed Sam was in way over 436 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 2: his head. One lie led to another and then to another. 437 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: I expected to be an hour long, with the judge 438 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: talking most of the time. The defense would talk for 439 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: five minutes, the prosecut would talk for five minutes and 440 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: then get our sentence sing and that would be that. 441 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: The hearing dragged on for over three hours as lawyers 442 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 2: from both sides spoke about Sam's past and debated how 443 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: he'd spend his future. Sam was just twenty nine years 444 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: old and was facing up to fifteen years in prison. 445 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: Nick wasn't the only Center Tech investor who dialed into 446 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: the hearing. There were a handful of others who shared 447 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: their victim impact statements. 448 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: The statement I remember vividly was the mom who had 449 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: invested most of her kid's college fund. 450 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 16: Centritech stole from our children, from our retirement, and we 451 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 16: are incredibly disappointed that we chose to trust, support and 452 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 16: invest in a startup company, only to be taken advantage of. 453 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: A victim named Lisa, who was a mother of six, 454 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: went off on Sam. 455 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 16: I have anxiety now, in constant worry over a lack 456 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 16: of retiring savings, and my husband, who works very hard 457 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 16: to provide for us, has developed chronic anxiety and he 458 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 16: struggles with insomnia and depression. It's really despicable and incredibly 459 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 16: low blow that our family and many other families will 460 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 16: never recover from. 461 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 2: One by one, a handful of other Center Tech investors 462 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: unmuted themselves and unleashed their anger. One called Sam a 463 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: con artist, and another set his crime was un American. 464 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: But then things got interesting. There were also a handful 465 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: of victims who spoke during the teleconference praising centri Tech, 466 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: including a guy named George. 467 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 9: I was delivered everything I was led to believe and 468 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 9: promised when investing in the ICO. 469 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: Some of these victims sounded more like defense witnesses. Here's 470 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: what another guy from Hong Kong named Tomo had to say. 471 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 17: I can definitely testify that he was very respectful, hard 472 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 17: working and delivered on all he promised. I sincerely hope 473 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 17: Sam Sharma can avoid jail time as much as possible, 474 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 17: as I believe he has been punished enough already. 475 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: It all highlighted the major issue. Both sides disputed whether 476 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: centri Tech was a legitimate company. For the prosecution, there 477 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: was no dispute. 478 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 16: Your honor. 479 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 15: Thousands of investors believing his lives poored approximately thirty six 480 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 15: million dollars worth of funds into this defendant's hands, and 481 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 15: immediately he began spending that money, including millions of dollars, 482 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 15: for his personal use and for his friends and his 483 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 15: co conspirators. But that was not the end of it. 484 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 15: Rather than come clean and own up to his lies, 485 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 15: this defendant doubled down. He lied to his victims, he 486 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 15: obstructed the SEC's investigation, and then after he was arrested 487 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 15: in this case, he doubled down again. 488 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: After his arrest in twenty eighteen, Sam was supposed to 489 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: provide the FEDS with a pass code to the account 490 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: that started all the investors' money, but according to court documents, 491 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: Sam gave the FEDS an altered code to the account, 492 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: which of course did not work. A month after his arrest, 493 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: Sam finally came clean to the FBI. The correct passcode 494 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: was taped to the bottom of a silverware drawer at 495 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: his condo. 496 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 15: Your honor, these are not the actions of a legitimate 497 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 15: business person with true intentions. These were not, as he 498 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 15: puts it, mistakes or poor decisions. These were calculated, painstaking, 499 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 15: and thoroughly fraudulent actions that this defendant took day in 500 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 15: and day out, over the course of many months to 501 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 15: carry out and then to cover up his scheme. 502 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: Sam's lawyer asked the court to sentence Sam to thirty 503 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: months in prison, which amounted to two and a half years, 504 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: followed by three years of supervisor release. And then it 505 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: was Sam's turn to speak. 506 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 6: Your honor, this is the first time that I can 507 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 6: finally express myself publicly since my arrest, with everything that 508 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 6: I've had bottled up inside of myself for years. When 509 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 6: I started Centertech, Your honor, I had a vision of prosperity, happiness, 510 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 6: and good fortune for everyone involved in Center Tech. For 511 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 6: the hardship any of them suffered. I'm truly sorry, and 512 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 6: I pray for a day where there is solitude in 513 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 6: everyone's life affected by this. I wanted to go with 514 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 6: the Silicon mentality, build fast, fix later. I wanted to 515 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 6: fake it till I made it, and I was hoping 516 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 6: that the ends justified the means. I only cared about 517 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 6: delivering on the promises and delivering at any cost necessary. 518 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: Build fast, fix later, and fake it till you make it. 519 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 2: We're familiar refrains throughout Sam's nearly eight minute plea for mercy. 520 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 6: I needed this wake up call to really put my 521 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 6: life on the right track and for me to use 522 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 6: my talents and skills to be a positive member of society. 523 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 6: I'm working now and I will never need nor want 524 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 6: to commit any type of bad deed. This has been 525 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 6: the most frightening experience in my life. Being around murderers, 526 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 6: rapists and really bad people was the wake up call. 527 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 6: I needed your honor. I understand that I have to 528 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 6: go to pri isn't for my actions. Two and a 529 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 6: half years in prison is going to be extremely difficult 530 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 6: for myself and my family. Please allow me this punishment 531 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 6: so that I can go start a family, continue working 532 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 6: to pay my debts, give back, and continue giving back 533 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 6: to my community. Thank you for your time, your honor. 534 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: Remember it's a sentencing hearing. There are no jurors or 535 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: closing statements by counsel. Sam is already guilty. All he 536 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: could hope for was the judge would take his statements 537 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: into consideration. Here's what the Honorable Judge Lorna Schofield said 538 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: in response. 539 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 18: I think the disconnect is and I see it sometimes 540 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 18: in people who are in this situation. They're so kind 541 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 18: and caring and generous to people in their immediate circle 542 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 18: because they are real people to them, they mean something 543 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 18: to them. But somehow they can't extend that to other people, 544 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 18: people who are strangers, who become faithless and therefore unimportant, 545 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 18: And that's something that you need to work on. 546 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: The government sought a sentence of fourteen years, but the 547 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: decision ultimately was up to the judge. 548 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 18: It is the judgment of the court that you were 549 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 18: remanded to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons for 550 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 18: a total of eight years, followed by three years of 551 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 18: supervised release. 552 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: Sam cried a bit after the ruling and appeared to 553 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: be stunned by his eight year sentence. Others following the 554 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: case reacted as well. Here's Paul Petruzzi, Robert Farcas's attorney. 555 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 13: I watched Sam's hearing and I was really disappointed. I 556 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 13: don't think that the judge really saw through the government's 557 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 13: smoke screen with Sam. 558 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 19: I think that Sam got a pretty decent sentencing for 559 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 19: what I've seen the standard to be for white collar crimes. 560 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: That Center investor Jacob Renzel he also shared what he 561 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: say if he had the opportunity to speak to Sam today. 562 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 19: If I saw him in the bathroom, I'd be like, 563 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 19: first off, fuck you, You're a piece of shit. And then 564 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 19: I'd be like, this is not how you cope with 565 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 19: your problems, and you're fucking other people's lives up. 566 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: Sam Sharma's sentence was one of the harshest punishments received 567 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: by a crypto founder to date. It sent shockwaves through 568 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: the crypto community, but one question loomed large. Where did 569 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: that leave Ray. 570 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 9: I'd rather go to jail now than have to fucking 571 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 9: wait another year then go to jail. 572 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 2: Ray's day and court was coming, but he wouldn't get 573 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: his wish. He'd stand in front of a judge over 574 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: a year after Sam Sharma was sentenced. 575 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 9: Thank you, your honor for allowing me to address the 576 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 9: court Today is a very heavy day for me. 577 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: Unlike his partners, Ray was facing one hundred and seventy 578 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 2: five years in prison. 579 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 9: I know the things that I have done are wrong, 580 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 9: and I understand this fraud affected many people's lives. 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