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Speaker 3: Our number two, The Herd.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danny Parkins from FS one and soon to be

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Speaker 4: First things first in for Colin Coward.

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Speaker 3: Absolute thrill to be here. Thank you very.

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Speaker 4: Much for tuning in and listening wherever you are. Colin

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Speaker 4: does his blazing five. He's been doing it for a while.

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Speaker 4: Who does sharps thing?

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Speaker 5: I should just.

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Speaker 3: Ask what do I think?

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Speaker 4: Because I went sixty five percent in the NFL against

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Speaker 4: the spread last year.

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Speaker 3: You're like, why does he keep bringing it up?

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Speaker 4: Because that's really hard to do and it was the

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Speaker 4: best year of my life. Although it is back to

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Speaker 4: back sixty plus percent seasons against the spread in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: So I couldn't pass up the opportunity being in this

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Speaker 4: chair for Colin to leave you with some wagering opportunities.

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Speaker 4: If you see fit how I see the NFL heading

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Speaker 4: in to the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six season,

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Speaker 4: Why do you a five favorite over under or ten

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Speaker 4: favorite over under when you can give your thirty two

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Speaker 4: favorite over unders for the upcoming NFL season. Let's begin

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Speaker 4: in the NFC North, where I've picked the Lions to

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Speaker 4: be in the Super Bowl back to back years. Not

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Speaker 4: sure if I'll do it again this year, but I'm

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Speaker 4: definitely picking.

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Speaker 3: Them for over.

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Speaker 4: At ten and a half twenty seven wins over the

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Speaker 4: last two seasons, most in the NFL, that's more than

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Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs interior offensive line questions, loss of

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Speaker 4: coordinator questions. But if their defense is just normal hurt

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Speaker 4: instead of extreme hurt, the offense is too good. That's

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Speaker 4: still an eleven or twelve win team. Yes, in that division. Yes,

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Speaker 4: with their schedule. The Vikings were nine and one in

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Speaker 4: one score games last year. I like JJ McCarthy, I

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Speaker 4: love Kevin O'Connell, but that's an under.

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Speaker 3: That's an under if I've ever seen one. For them

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Speaker 3: at nine and a half.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen wins felt like a fluke last year, win seven

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Speaker 4: eight games, have your quarterback for the future, They'll be fine.

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Speaker 4: The Packers are under at nine and a half, this

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Speaker 4: division is going to be very bunched up. I think

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Speaker 4: between two, three and four. Obviously those could finish in

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Speaker 4: any order. Two and six against teams that made the

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Speaker 4: playoffs last year were the Green Bay Packers, and I

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Speaker 4: was surprised. I know they love Golden the first round pick.

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Speaker 4: I was surprised they invested another asset into receiver. On

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Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball, they need more pass rush.

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Speaker 4: For me, they lived and died by the turnover last year.

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Speaker 4: With the new defensive coordinator, Bump and McKinney had an

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Speaker 4: unbelievable first year in Green Bay. If they don't have

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Speaker 4: as much turnover luck this year, I think it's more

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Speaker 4: like an eight win season for the Packers. And I

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Speaker 4: know the Bears are the all hype team, but everything

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Speaker 4: in the world went wrong for them last year.

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Speaker 3: If just a few things.

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Speaker 4: Go right, the amount of upgrades that they had at coach,

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Speaker 4: second year of Caleb Williams in the pros, people like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Kayleb Williams was a bust.

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Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: That was the best quarterback season that the Bears had

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Speaker 4: had in a decade. Not hyperbole, thirty five hundred passing

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Speaker 4: yards was the most the Bear's quarterback had had since

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. He'll be better. The Bears will be better.

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Speaker 4: They're a nine or a ten win team this season.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the NFC East. The Eagles are the

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Speaker 4: best team in football. The Eagles aren't over team. They're

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Speaker 4: totals at eleven and a half, which is very high,

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Speaker 4: but they've gone over their win total under Nick Siriani

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Speaker 4: three of four years, and if they have no weaknesses,

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Speaker 4: You could say, well, it could be injuries.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it could be injuries for any team.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to go thirty two for thirty two though,

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Speaker 4: that is the goal on this exercise. But also part

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Speaker 4: The Commanders might be the team with the better roster

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Speaker 3: Which is what they did last year.

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Speaker 4: They lived on the edge and it was one score

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Speaker 4: victories and it was impressive and it was remarkable that

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Speaker 4: Regresses to the mean even a little bit, the Commanders

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Speaker 4: We talk about Dallas last year, like Dak Prescott got

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Speaker 4: was just not an impressive football team. And I think

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Speaker 4: they've got a ton of questions on their offensive line.

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Speaker 4: The Giants are an over team for me at five

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Speaker 4: and a half, even though their schedules absolutely brutal. Jeff

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Speaker 3: There's no question the schedules brutal.

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Speaker 4: But what if they're a top ten defense because they

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Speaker 4: were eighth and sacks last year and they added Abdul Carter.

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Speaker 4: Their front seven is nasty. Malik Naghbors is nasty. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what did Jackson Dard and Russell Wilson. It's

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Speaker 4: probably going to be bottom ten quarterback play in the

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Speaker 4: NFL and coaching GM are definitely on the hot seat.

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Speaker 4: But if you've got a top ten defense, you're in

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the NFC South.

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Speaker 4: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the best organization in the

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Speaker 4: NFL that people just don't respect enough. Baker Mayfield last

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Speaker 4: two seasons comfortably inside the top ten in touchdowns, yards points.

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Speaker 3: That's useful.

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Speaker 4: Over at nine and a half teams in the NFL

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Speaker 3: On the offensive side of the ball. Falcons have bit

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to go back to the well here

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Speaker 4: and say the Falcons get over on seven and a

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Speaker 4: But Pennis looks really good in the three games, even

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Speaker 4: though he's an unconventional quarterback, but he fires the ball

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Speaker 4: an overteam, same with the Panthers. The schedule's easy, and

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Speaker 4: Bryce Young looked better at the end of the year,

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Speaker 4: a bottom they're like the twenty second best defense in

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Speaker 4: where they were historically terrible. And Bryce Young continues to progress.

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Speaker 4: Guy had seven touchdowns against zero picks in his last

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Speaker 4: three games. They can win seven games. The Saints, however,

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Speaker 4: cannot win six. The Saints are an under five and

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Speaker 4: a half team. I think they are tanking. I think

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Speaker 4: they are a prime trade candidate. I hope Alvin Kamara

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Speaker 4: does not finish the season with the Saints. The Saints,

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Speaker 4: by the way, went owens seven in games last year

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Speaker 4: The Rams have won over ten games in six of

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Speaker 4: the eight years with Sean McVay. It's embarrassing how much

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Speaker 4: I went back and forth on this total, just because

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Speaker 4: I do really worry about the injuries on their offensive line.

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Speaker 4: But Kuka Nakua, Devonte Adams, Sean McVay calling the plays,

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Speaker 4: the defensive line, I just can't quit the Rams and

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Speaker 4: the Niners. Purty's not great, but he's good enough. Shanahan's

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Speaker 4: elite to me. The key is Christian McCaffrey's health. He's

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Speaker 3: It's a cheat code.

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Speaker 4: All indications are that he is one hundred percent healthy,

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Speaker 3: Go for this year.

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Speaker 4: The Seahawks at under eight and a half, I got

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Speaker 4: huge offensive line, I've got huge Sam Darnold questions. How

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Speaker 4: and the playoff game leaves a bat. I mean, going

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Speaker 4: from Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson and that offensive line

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Speaker 4: that just feels like a rude awakening. But an absolutely

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Speaker 4: legendary offseason at the Bank. And then the Cardinals under

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Speaker 4: eight and a half struggled with this one too, but

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Speaker 4: they've only won more than eight games with Kyler Murray once.

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Speaker 4: I like Comparrison, I like McBride. They run the ball

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Speaker 4: when Kyler Murray is in there. But I think the

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Speaker 4: division is really good at the top, and I just can't.

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Speaker 3: Count on them to stay healthy.

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Speaker 4: And they didn't do anything in terms of additions on

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Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball. It's because the AFC,

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Speaker 4: we're doing it like a clock. I was told northeast Southwest.

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Speaker 4: It makes sense, AFC North, Yeah, checks, it works. You

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Speaker 4: don't have to double check me on then Ravens under

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Speaker 4: eleven and a half. Five of the first six games

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Speaker 4: was so his story. I mean, Lamar Jackson had four

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Speaker 4: interceptions last year, Derrick Henry was healthy, it was an

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Speaker 4: impossible offense. Feels even though I think Z eight Flowers

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Speaker 4: will be much better this year, feels very difficult to

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Speaker 4: replicate that. I think that they can be a ten

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Speaker 4: win team that still is very dangerous and has a

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Speaker 4: very high ceiling, but with their schedule regresses a little bit.

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Speaker 4: It's also because I believe in the Bengals and the Steelers,

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Speaker 4: I have overs for both of them. This Bengals fact

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Speaker 4: we're doing here. As I go through all thirty two

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Speaker 4: game last year. Last five years, if you score twenty

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Speaker 4: seven or more points on average, you win twelve games.

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Speaker 3: They won nine. Just be competent defensively, use.

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Speaker 4: Three or your first four picks on defensive players in

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Speaker 4: the draft. Defensive coordinator bump. Bengals are double did you

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Speaker 4: to hit this over. They're thirty seven and six in

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Speaker 8: at an high level is going to be.

438
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Speaker 4: Like my theory on it is we are all former athletes,

439
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Speaker 4: regular people like you and may media. We are behind

440
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Speaker 4: in understanding the full impacts of sports science and how

441
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Speaker 4: amazing the modern athletes are. The example I users like

442
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Speaker 4: back in the day, oh running back hits twenty seven,

443
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Speaker 4: they're falling off the cliff. Now we've got Derrick Henry

444
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Speaker 4: at thirty approaching two thousand yard seasons like it's nothing right.

445
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Speaker 3: Athletes have just gotten better.

446
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Speaker 4: We see in Green Bay they're working out Bowl Melton,

447
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Speaker 4: trying to maybe turn him into a two way player

448
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Speaker 4: because of some injuries that they had at corner. I

449
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Speaker 4: feel like if Travis Hunter works, it could open the

450
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Speaker 4: floodgates for these elite athletes and we could start seeing

451
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Speaker 4: more guys try to do it.

452
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Speaker 3: Or do you think I'm insane?

453
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Speaker 8: No, I don't think you're insane. I do think that

454
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Speaker 8: everybody's going to be watching. I think there are kids

455
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Speaker 8: in college and coaches in college who are going to

456
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Speaker 8: be watching and as you see more guys come out

457
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Speaker 8: and more guys able to execute at an elite level.

458
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Speaker 8: If there is a two way player, then sure there

459
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Speaker 8: will be a ripple effect throughout the NFL. And you're

460
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Speaker 8: definitely right, Like the science behind all of this has changed.

461
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Speaker 8: These guys have chips on their uniforms, in their pads

462
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Speaker 8: that they can look and see how many miles power

463
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Speaker 8: he's running in the first part of practice compared to

464
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Speaker 8: the last part of practice, in the first quarter of

465
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Speaker 8: a game as opposed to the fourth quarter of the game.

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Speaker 7: So they're going to have all of the science.

467
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Speaker 8: Even if he's saying I feel good, they'll be able

468
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Speaker 8: to tell if he's slowing down, if there's a drop

469
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Speaker 8: off or anything like that. And so all of that

470
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Speaker 8: science is going to go in to the decision on

471
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Speaker 8: how much of a workload they give him, and it's

472
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Speaker 8: just going to be fascinating.

473
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Speaker 4: Mike Jones from the Athletic is our guest. So Trey

474
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Speaker 4: Hendrickson reports to camp. Terry McLaurin reports the camp. They

475
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Speaker 4: don't have new contracts yet. My theory is basically, in

476
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Speaker 4: a post leveon bell World, it's an endangered species, like

477
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Speaker 4: the true holdout of missing games.

478
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Speaker 3: So I know Chris.

479
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Speaker 4: Jones did it, I know Jonathan Taylor did it, but

480
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Speaker 4: it's it's way less now than back in the day

481
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Speaker 4: because the money is just so insane. It's so hard

482
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Speaker 4: for these guys to really turn it down. So I

483
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Speaker 4: view offseason contract consternation as just media filler, like, oh,

484
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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson's upset with his contract. Yeah, it's July he's

485
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Speaker 4: supposed to be, or it was May he was supposed

486
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Speaker 4: to be.

487
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Speaker 3: And I think that these are inevitable that they are

488
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Speaker 3: going to get done. What about you?

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Speaker 7: I do think they get done.

490
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Speaker 8: It's unfortunate for the players that in the last CBA

491
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Speaker 8: they negotiated and so the teams can find them fifty

492
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Speaker 8: thousand dollars a day, and.

493
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Speaker 7: So that adds up.

494
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Speaker 8: You hang out for three day and you're like, okay,

495
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Speaker 8: that's one hundred and fifty dollars fine, and then it

496
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Speaker 8: starts really getting a little painful and you decide to

497
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Speaker 8: come back, and we'll see more hold ends rather than

498
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Speaker 8: hold outs. You know, Yes, I think that eventually these

499
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Speaker 8: two sides are talking in Cincinnati, the two sides are

500
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Speaker 8: talking in Washington, they'll eventually get something done because obviously

501
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Speaker 8: the pressure is there for these coaches to win, they

502
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Speaker 8: need these marquee players, and so these owners will drag

503
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Speaker 8: their feet, drag their feet, but eventually everybody's gonna come

504
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Speaker 8: to the point and get it all done, and all

505
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Speaker 8: this would have been for nothing.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about the reputation that Dallas is

507
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Speaker 4: stacking up now about how they handle their star players contracts.

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Speaker 7: It's the cowboy way.

509
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Speaker 8: It's Jerry Jones, and I think that he loves this

510
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Speaker 8: because what does he love is the Cowboys being on

511
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Speaker 8: the forefront of everybody's mind and talking about them. And

512
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Speaker 8: he press is good press for him. And so we've

513
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Speaker 8: seen him do it again and again and again, drag

514
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Speaker 8: his feet on paying a top level player, a guy

515
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Speaker 8: who has proven himself to be very valuable, and then

516
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Speaker 8: the last minute he finally winds up opening the checkbook,

517
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Speaker 8: even though it cost him tens of thousands and you know,

518
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Speaker 8: millions of dollars more, rather than have taken care of

519
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Speaker 8: the guy way earlier. And then every time somebody at

520
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Speaker 8: the position signs a new contract, the price tag goes up.

521
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Speaker 8: And so Micah Parsons is going to wind up surpassing TJ.

522
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Speaker 8: Watt as far as the highest paid pass rusher. It's

523
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Speaker 8: just a matter of time.

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Speaker 4: Let me Devil's advocate that one. Though Michah Parsons should

525
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Speaker 4: make more money than TJ. Watt, he's younger, and Dak

526
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Speaker 4: Prescott had a no tag clause and a no trade clause.

527
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Speaker 4: So he wanted Jordan Love to sign first. He wanted

528
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Speaker 4: to sign for Ceedee Lamb, wanted to see what Justin

529
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Speaker 4: Jefferson would do to set the market. Micah Parsons wants

530
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Speaker 4: to wait for my Garrett and TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt. Like when you have truly elite Tier.

532
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Speaker 4: One players at their position with leverage, the player probably

533
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Speaker 4: wants to wait too for the Cowboys to get these

534
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Speaker 4: deals done.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure there's part of them that would just like

536
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Speaker 8: to get it out of the way. But at the

537
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Speaker 8: same time, I think that's probably part of the reason

538
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Speaker 8: why Michael Parson was like, hey, look, I'm coming to work.

539
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Speaker 7: I owe this to my teammates.

540
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Speaker 8: I want to be in the best position to be

541
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Speaker 8: able to help us win because he knows, hey, eventually

542
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Speaker 8: it's going to get done, and as like you said,

543
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Speaker 8: more guys in my position get paid my price, sat

544
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Speaker 8: keeps going up, and Jerry's going to wind up doing

545
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Speaker 8: what Jerry does and make me the highest paid player

546
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Speaker 8: in the league at my position. And so yes, it's

547
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Speaker 8: probably annoying having it hanging over, but they know eventually

548
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Speaker 8: it's all going to work out for them.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything that could happen in Pittsburgh this year

550
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Speaker 4: where we would even say that forget hot seat, that

551
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Speaker 4: the seat was lukewarm for Mike Tomlin?

552
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Speaker 7: I think so.

553
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Speaker 8: I think this has really the touch would be disastrously bad,

554
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Speaker 8: you know. I mean this Aaron Rodgers that we see

555
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 8: right here is not the same guy that we're thinking

556
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Speaker 8: of from Green Bay. We did see him look a

557
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Speaker 8: little better down the stretch of the season with the

558
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Speaker 8: Jets last year. But if he and Arthur Smith don't

559
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 8: gel just right, if the offense isn't clicking, what does

560
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Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers do when things aren't going well? He starts

561
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Speaker 8: pointing fingers. He'll pull back the curtain on the ineffectiveness

562
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Speaker 8: of the organization. People have said for a while that

563
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Speaker 8: as great a leader as Mike Tomlin is, he has

564
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Speaker 8: not evolved the practices of that organization and that coaching

565
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Speaker 8: staff and the way they do things. And so if

566
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Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers, if things don't go well and there's finger

567
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Speaker 8: pointing and things like that that he is known for

568
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Speaker 8: as of late, then yeah, things will look bad and

569
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Speaker 8: go poorly. And you know, that seat for Mike Tomlin

570
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 8: could heat up because they basically just pushed all their

571
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 8: chips to the middle this year. Very on Pittsburgh Steelers

572
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 8: like offseason, and if it doesn't plan out well, then

573
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Speaker 8: you know then we could be asking questions.

574
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Speaker 4: All right, I want to get your take on my guy,

575
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Speaker 4: Justin Herbert. The guy's the ultimate eye test quarterback. Four

576
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Speaker 4: interceptions even though a couple were off his guy's hands,

577
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: and his interior offensive line was collapsing around him. Still

578
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: bad playoff game AH and two in the playoffs. But

579
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Speaker 4: I am just convinced from watching the guy play football

580
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Speaker 4: that he's a star and he's going to do great things.

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Speaker 4: Where do you come out on eye test versus actual

582
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Speaker 4: results for the team For Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 8: I agree with you that he is as talented as

584
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Speaker 8: they come. His ceiling is very high. My question is

585
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Speaker 8: everything around him. I do think that Harball was good

586
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Speaker 8: for him last year. I think another season with him

587
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 8: would be good for him. The questions are just, okay,

588
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Speaker 8: does he have enough as far as weapons around him?

589
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Speaker 8: Did they really improve the line significantly enough? You know,

590
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Speaker 8: they got Makai Beckton, but you know he was really

591
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Speaker 8: good last year with Philadelphia, which is an offensive line factory,

592
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Speaker 8: and they work together so well. Is he going to

593
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Speaker 8: be as effective in a new surroundings? You know, does

594
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Speaker 8: Justin Herbert have the wide receivers to go to enough weapons?

595
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Speaker 8: Because the thing is they're in this division with the Chiefs,

596
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Speaker 8: and until somebody proves they can knock off the Chiefs,

597
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Speaker 8: you know, I will take them every time. So, yes,

598
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Speaker 8: he's super talented. He gives you everything you could ask

599
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Speaker 8: for in a quarterback, but everything around him is the

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Speaker 8: big question.

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Speaker 4: The guy who has everything around him is Jalen Hurts,

602
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Speaker 4: and Philly fans get mad at me because I say,

603
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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts is a top ten quarterback who benefits tremendously

604
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Speaker 4: from having guys that are better at their jobs than

605
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Speaker 4: he is at his around him. He's clutch, he's a leader,

606
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Speaker 4: he's smart. But for example, like Saquon Barkley is a

607
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: better running back than Jalen Hurts as a quarterback AJ

608
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Speaker 4: Brown is a better receiver than Hurts as a quarterback. Lange,

609
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Speaker 4: Jordan Mailatta, Jalen Carter, et cetera. I don't see that

610
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Speaker 4: as a knock on Hurts. Anyone would benefit from being

611
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Speaker 4: in that situation.

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Speaker 3: And then you add he's clutched.

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Speaker 4: He's a gamer, he's a leader, he's smart, and that's

614
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Speaker 4: what leads you to bludgeoning teams on the way to

615
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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. How do you evaluate Hurts individually amidst

616
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Speaker 4: the super team that's around him.

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Speaker 7: I think he's super underrated.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the dude just makes the plays that he

619
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Speaker 8: has to make when you need him the most. He's

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Speaker 8: got an accurate deep ball, he can extend plays. He's

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Speaker 8: a strong, powerful runner. He's got good instincts. He doesn't

622
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Speaker 8: force things. He just really basically is disciplined and says, Okay,

623
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Speaker 8: I'm gonna take what the defense gives to me. He

624
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Speaker 8: doesn't care what his stats look like if it means

625
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Speaker 8: that they're winning. And he's got the best mindset that

626
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Speaker 8: you could ask for in a quarterback.

627
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Speaker 7: And so I don't get the.

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Speaker 8: Lack of love for him because he just proved this

629
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Speaker 8: past year what he was able to do and he

630
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Speaker 8: just you know, he kept doing it again and again.

631
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Speaker 7: Yes, he's got a lot to work with.

632
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Speaker 8: He's got a great offensive line, great weapons, you know,

633
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Speaker 8: running back at receiver, great defense. But still he makes

634
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Speaker 8: the big plays when they need them the most. And

635
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Speaker 8: so I think that he is one of the top

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Speaker 8: of his position.

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Speaker 4: One of the top, so the top, like behind the

638
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Speaker 4: Big four. You would put him right next right behind

639
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Speaker 4: Lamar Burrow, Allen Mahomes.

640
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Speaker 3: He's you said, you put him right there.

641
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Speaker 8: I think he's got to be right there. Yeah, you

642
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 8: know after that that those guys. I mean, he's got

643
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Speaker 8: the Super Bowl ring, he's got the productions again, he's

644
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 8: got the.

645
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Speaker 4: Well, well, hey, he was twenty second in the league

646
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: and pass attempt that he had less than twenty passing touchdowns,

647
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Speaker 4: the production.

648
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Speaker 8: But that's not his fault. That they have Saquon Barkley.

649
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Speaker 8: I would hand it off to him too. But when

650
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Speaker 8: you ask him to put the ball in the air

651
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 8: and to make the plays, he makes the plays. So

652
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Speaker 8: I mean, who's whose fault is that that he's not

653
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 8: passing more? I mean he could pass more. You know,

654
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 8: Brown J. Brown's frustrated because they're not throwing more. But

655
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Speaker 8: they just know that, Hey, like you said, we've got

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Speaker 8: an elite running back, we've got an elite offensive line.

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Speaker 8: We believe in balance and it's working.

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Speaker 4: So for first four games of last year, there were

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Speaker 4: two and two when he was throwing the ball thirty

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Speaker 4: two to thirty three times a game, and they're like,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna start running more.

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Speaker 3: And again, he's really good.

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Speaker 4: But they wont all the playoff games without throwing more

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Speaker 4: than twenty eight times in the game because they just

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Speaker 4: bludgeon people and then play from a lead.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a super team and he benefits from it.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like that's an okay thing to say

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Speaker 4: he runs their system perfectly.

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Speaker 7: He does. And also I.

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Speaker 8: Really am waiting for the year that we can see

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Speaker 8: him in a system consecutive years instead of changing offensive

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Speaker 8: coordinators every single year, because then I think we'll really

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Speaker 8: see him go to another level.

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Speaker 7: Fortunately, they're often dated.

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Speaker 8: This year has been there for a while, so hopefully

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Speaker 8: has a little more continuity. But again, the guy makes

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Speaker 8: the plays when you need him. He gets the job

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Speaker 8: I've done. I'm not complaining about him.

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Speaker 4: Mike Jones covers the NFL for the Athletic. Thank you, sir,

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Speaker 4: all right, have a good one.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely it was our pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: That's Mike Jones covers the NFL for the Athletic. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's the craziest jail and hurts stat of.

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Speaker 3: All of them.

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Speaker 4: Going back to college, it's like nine offensive coordinators in

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Speaker 4: nine years. That is ridiculous. And again it's why I

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Speaker 4: always lead with unbelievably smart, unbelievable leader. But coming up next,

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Speaker 4: last year's quarterback class was historic, and frankly, I think

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Speaker 4: there's one guy who probably should be looking around and

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Speaker 4: be like, why am I not getting a little bit

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Speaker 4: more love? Tell you who it is next. Dany Parkinson

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Speaker 4: for Colin.

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Speaker 3: On the Hurd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and neon Eastern n a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: Back in on the Herd, I'm Danny parkins in for

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Speaker 4: Colin Cowhard insane expectations for arch Manning in his first

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Speaker 4: year as a starter. We'll get to it coming up

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Speaker 4: at the top of the hour and next hour. Eric

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Speaker 4: Mangini going to join the show as well. So last

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Speaker 4: year's quarterback class in the NFL was special. I mean,

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Speaker 4: six quarterbacks get taken in the first round. There's obviously

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Speaker 4: a lot of very very high end talent at that spot,

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Speaker 4: and part of this is just how the media works.

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Speaker 4: But Caleb Williams had all the hype USC celebrity quarterback,

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Speaker 4: number one pick, former Heisman Trophy winner goes to a

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Speaker 4: big market team that's quarterback starved in Chicago. That's going

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Speaker 4: to be a massive story. Then Jaden Daniels number two pick,

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Speaker 4: NFC Championship, Drake may third pick, all right, looks interesting

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Speaker 4: but has nothing around him. We'll get to that in

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Speaker 4: a minute. JJ McCarthy gets hurt. Okay, fine, we'll punt

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Speaker 4: on that. But it's Michigan, it's Kevin O'Connell, justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 4: They end up winning fourteen games, fascinating.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that. And then there was bow Knicks.

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Speaker 4: And I know Michael Pennix too, but we'll get to

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Speaker 4: Penis in a second.

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Speaker 3: Bow Knicks.

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Speaker 4: If it was not for Jade and Daniels would be

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Speaker 4: able to say, hey, guys, where's my hype, where's my love?

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Speaker 4: Because he had more passing yards and more touchdowns passing

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Speaker 4: than Jade and Daniels did. If I just told you

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Speaker 4: bow Knicks's resume second most passing touchdowns ever for a

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Speaker 4: rookie quarterback, and he went to the playoffs and he

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Speaker 4: had Sean Payton, he'd be We'd be talking a ton

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Speaker 4: about this guy. I hate the NFL Top one hundred list.

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Speaker 4: I think the players don't apply any consistency to it.

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Speaker 4: They really only rate it seems like last year, instead

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Speaker 4: of a body of work to truly and fairly evaluate

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Speaker 4: a player. I think it's mostly a useless exercise, but

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Speaker 4: it does sometimes lead to interesting quotes or sound bites.

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Speaker 4: Bo Knicks came in ranked sixty fourth among his peers

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Speaker 4: after his rookie year.

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Speaker 3: Here's how he responded.

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Speaker 9: I think it's it's obviously a cool honor for you know,

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Speaker 9: because that's your peers thing, that's you know guys, guys

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Speaker 9: you play. But at the same time, you know, just

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Speaker 9: the way I think, the way I am motivated, I

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Speaker 9: want to continue to, uh, you know, get higher, and

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Speaker 9: not even for the the ranking. You know, it doesn't

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Speaker 9: really matter what you're ranked. It's just you know, an

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Speaker 9: internal standard that I have that I want to be

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Speaker 9: the best in the world, And I know there's a

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Speaker 9: lot of guys that I'm competing for that with, and

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Speaker 9: you know I'm not going to stop at least give

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Speaker 9: it my best.

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Speaker 4: Try so cliches. Notwithstanding he's on his way. Do I

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Speaker 4: think he's gonna be the best in the world. No,

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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you this, if you watched Theos the

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Speaker 4: first three and a half four games of last season,

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Speaker 4: it was like, Yo, does bonis belong in the league?

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Speaker 3: What is going on here?

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Speaker 4: And then by the end of the season, they've won

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Speaker 4: double digit games, They're in the playoffs. He had twenty

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Speaker 4: nine passing touchdowns and some of his highlights were absolutely insane,

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Speaker 4: like justin Herbert is dining out in a lot of

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Speaker 4: people's mind off that thirty one touchdown pass rookie season

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Speaker 4: that he had.

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Speaker 3: Bon Nicks had twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: And was in the playoffs and acquitted himself well. And

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Speaker 4: Sean Payton obviously believed in a Maaton. There have been

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Speaker 4: the Drew Brees comparisons. I think that's more coach than style,

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Speaker 4: but there are a few similarities that you can see

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Speaker 4: in terms of just pocket passer that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: But it's a it's a quarterback class that I find

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Speaker 4: fascinating because we can reverse order it.

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Speaker 3: We talked about bo Nicks.

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Speaker 4: The Broncos are obviously thrilled with what they got out

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Speaker 4: of bo Nicks, absolutely through thirty seven hundred passing yards,

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Speaker 4: three to one touchdown, the interception ratio. Just I guess

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Speaker 4: a little worse than three three to one, two and

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Speaker 4: a half to one touchdown the interception ratio, and a

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Speaker 4: playoff appearance. The Falcons in three games with Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 4: felt like he unlocked their offense in terms of Bijon

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Speaker 4: Robinson and Drake London and putting the ball in the

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Speaker 4: end zone. And he's also just fun to watch a

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Speaker 4: lefty with a rocket arm. It's it's unconventional, but it

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Speaker 4: think about the vote of confidence that Atlanta has shown

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Speaker 4: in Penix. They gave Kirk Cousins one hundred million guaranteed,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty million dollars and off three games

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Speaker 4: they're like, Yep, Penix is our guy.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty significant.

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Speaker 4: So Bijon, Drake London, Kyle Pitts, Okay, now you got

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Speaker 4: Michael Pennox. Let's see what the Falcon can do. Falcons

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Speaker 4: happy with their guy, Broncos happy with their guy, JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell believes in him enough that he traded up

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Speaker 4: one spot to get him. Sam Darnald won fourteen games

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Speaker 4: last season through for what forty five hundred yards, was

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Speaker 4: good enough to get one hundred million dollars, and the

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Speaker 4: Vikings were like, yeah, we're good. We're turning it over

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Speaker 4: to the guy coming off the injury, who didn't throw

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Speaker 4: it a ton in college, who won national championship. But

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Speaker 4: how much of it was the system around him, how

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Speaker 4: much of it was him? We're going to turn it

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Speaker 4: over to JJ McCarthy. That's a massive vote of confidence

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Speaker 4: for a guy who has thrown pre season passes in

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Speaker 4: his NFL career to move on from Sam Darnald. And

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Speaker 4: by the way, I supported the move. The point of

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Speaker 4: this exercise is it is very rare that you can have.

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Speaker 4: First of all, it's rare to have six quarterbacks taken

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Speaker 4: in a first round, but it's very rare that you

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Speaker 4: go through a full season of the NFL and every

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Speaker 4: team is still.

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Speaker 3: Happy about the guy they drafted.

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Speaker 4: Atlanta happy about Pennix, Denver happy about bo Nicks, Minnesota

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Speaker 4: clearly happy, happy about jj McCarthy, They moved on from

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Speaker 4: Sam Darnold in New England. Drake May had the worst

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Speaker 4: offensive line in football.

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Speaker 3: They fired a coach and basically.

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Speaker 4: No one listening right now can name a single pass

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Speaker 4: catcher on the team. And the guy was standing at

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Speaker 4: the end of the year, made awesome throws, carried himself

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Speaker 4: like a pro, got better as the year went on,

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Speaker 4: displayed some serious toughness, and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: upgraded coach a couple hundred million bucks in free agent contracts. Later,

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Speaker 4: you add Stefan Diggs, you give him Josh McDaniels. You

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Speaker 4: kind of have the organization catch up to the talent

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Speaker 4: of the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: When people start making official predictions, my guess is half

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Speaker 4: the media thinks they're going to the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 4: Vegas has them as an eight or a nine win team.

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Speaker 4: That's a tremendous vote of confidence for a guy who

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Speaker 4: threw fifteen touchdowns last year. Then Jade and Daniels, no

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Speaker 4: one needs to say anything about third down, fourth down,

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Speaker 4: one score games, playoff games, NFC Championship game. It's probably

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Speaker 4: the most impressive when you combine stats and winning. I

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Speaker 4: would argue it's the most impressive rookie season we've ever

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Speaker 4: had because what they were actually asking him to do.

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Speaker 4: And then Caleb the number one pick, the team that

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Speaker 4: did not even bring in Jade and Daniels did not

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Speaker 4: even bring in Drake May. He's the guy that everyone

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Speaker 4: has the most questions about. It's a wild quarterback draw.

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Speaker 4: Just think back to that Trevor Lawrence draft. After year one,

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Speaker 4: it was like, okay, well we got massive questions about

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Speaker 4: Justin Fields.

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Speaker 3: We got massive questions about Trey Lance. There are some

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Speaker 3: questions about Mac Jones.

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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence still hasn't answered it all these years later,

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Speaker 4: and Zach Wilson wears he So it's really rare to

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Speaker 4: have that many quarterbacks. And if we did it all again,

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Speaker 4: obviously everyone would want Jayden Daniels, But other than that,

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Speaker 4: everyone's thrilled with who they got.

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Speaker 3: And then there's poor Boonix with twenty nine.

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Speaker 4: Touchdowns in a playoff appearance, being like no one ever

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Speaker 4: talks about me. It really was one of the great

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Speaker 4: rookie seasons that we've seen, and we'll see how we

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Speaker 4: builds on it coming up for this year. What do

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Speaker 4: the Browns say about arsh Manning. Are they already throwing

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Speaker 4: cold water on it? That's coming up next, Danny Parker's

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Speaker 4: in for Colin to hurt