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Speaker 1: to Here's the thing. This song shaped my childhood and

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Speaker 1: The voice is Mickey Dolan's PEP seven Monkey out Ware,

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Speaker 1: too business singing. It's nineteen sixty six, the year Timothy

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Speaker 1: Leary tells America to turn on tune in. Dropout TV

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Speaker 1: Enter the monkeys. Hey, that's a groovy button. What does

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Speaker 1: it say? Love is the ultimate trip? Oh, that's a

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Speaker 1: Save the Texas Prairie Chicken? It was saved the Chicken,

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Speaker 1: not stop the War. NBC wasn't about to risk a

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Speaker 1: boycott of Bonanza after all, but the misadventures of four

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Speaker 1: shaggy musicians in Malibu managed to be subversive anyway. The

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Speaker 1: long haired bandmates just wanted to be loved. Artistically, the

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Speaker 1: show used new wave film techniques and brought the audience

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Speaker 1: Hey wait wait, how do I get up the doors locked? Peter,

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Speaker 1: you can't expect the writers to know everything improvised. Besides,

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Speaker 1: the music is undeniably great. Soon the fictional band morphed

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Speaker 1: into a real band. They wrote their own songs and

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Speaker 1: Monkeys the TV show topped the Nielsen rating, the band

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Speaker 1: topped the Billboard charts. The Monkeys got the formula just right,

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Speaker 1: but the concept wasn't unique. Throughout the sixties, movie and

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Speaker 1: TV bosses were desperately trying to bottle Beatlemania. Mickey Dolan's,

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Speaker 1: with musical talent and floppy hair in abundance, was perhaps

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Speaker 1: There was a lot going on at that time. It

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Speaker 1: So it was in the air. It was in the

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Speaker 1: air to try to capture this youth movement um and

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Speaker 1: obviously exploit it for this medium of TV. That's important

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Speaker 1: for people to well, in our case, for the first time,

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Speaker 1: The Monkeys was not The Beatles or an attempt to

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Speaker 1: That's what it was about. It was the struggle for success,

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Speaker 1: Oh David David Gates, This Mickey Dolan's he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the Fons and it was between me and Henry Winkler.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever told you this story.

427
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: It was a mid season replacement just after The Monkeys,

428
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: and I was up brot and went back for callbacks.

429
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: And it was between me and Henry. He walked into

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Speaker 1: the office of Gary Marshall's office said, oh ship, Mickey

431
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: Dolan's is here. I'm never gonna get this, and thank

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Speaker 1: god he did, because he wasn't much better funds than

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Speaker 1: I would have been. No. I went for some interviews,

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Speaker 1: and I did a couple of little guest shots on

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Speaker 1: on some shows. My agent would send me out for

436
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: little things, but I would go into the office and

437
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: they'd say, we don't need any drummers. What are you

438
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: doing here? It was hard to get from into the

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Speaker 1: Shadow of the Monkeys. Yeah, talked to Leonard Nimoy about that. UM,

440
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: this classic problem in our Yeah, but I didn't worry

441
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: about it that much because the same thing had happened

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00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: to me after Circus Boy. I'd go to an interview

443
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: and they'd say, we don't need and you're not blond anymore.

444
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Let's I was used to that, right. But all so, UM,

445
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: I had already started directing, and I directed the last

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00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: episode of the Monkeys, wrote and directed. I had already

447
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: decided I kind of wanted to get into production. I've

448
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: already been an actor since I was ten, and I

449
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: started a little film production company. But shortly thereafter I

450
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: moved to England, had married a girl that is English,

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Speaker 1: and we went to Um England to do a play

452
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Speaker 1: at the Mermaid Theater, doing the Point by Harry Nilsen,

453
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: who was my dear friend at the time, and he'd

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00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: written this uh animated thing and then it became a

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Speaker 1: play in London in the West End, and he said

456
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Speaker 1: would you come and play in it? It was a

457
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: limited panomime season and I went there with my wife.

458
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: I brought my reels what I had at the time.

459
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I gave it to an English agent and all of

460
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: a sudden, bang, I get this gig at the BBC

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Speaker 1: directing a drama, a drama play, and I did it,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'd gone to England for

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Speaker 1: three months, stayed for fifteen years. I directed big shows,

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Speaker 1: long running shows for the BBC, for l w T,

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Speaker 1: for Granada, for Tim's. I loved it and I was

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Speaker 1: doing something outside of the purview of what I was

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00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: known for. Over there. Within a about a year, auditions,

468
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Speaker 1: well the not auditions, the interviews. When I did an interview,

469
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: it would say BBC producer writer Michael Dolan's you became

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Speaker 1: someone else again I did, from Circus Boy to Mickey

471
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Dolan's to Michael Dolan's and back again. What brought you back?

472
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you the truth. I'll divorce. Um. I had retired,

473
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Actually I tried to retire at thirty five or forty

474
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: or something, big English rock and roll mansion, full time

475
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: staff to six, hunting in the winter and polo in

476
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the summer, and oh yeah, and it was so boring.

477
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: I was bored to death because I wasn't working. Um,

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00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't accomplishing, you know. I'd wander around the grounds,

479
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: seven or eight acres of formal gardens, and help would

480
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: tip their hats morning Governor morning, and I was like

481
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: trying to hang out with him. Hey was that morning, Governor.

482
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: I got very bored because I wasn't working. Came back

483
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: to the States, still a little directing Boy Meets World.

484
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: I did Pacific Blue, but I kind of, you know,

485
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of got tired of that too.

486
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't know me here it's not the same in

487
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: England I had, and I still think it applies enormous

488
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: amount of control over there. The show owner is the

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00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: producer director, not the producer writer. I hired writers. Here

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00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: the producer writer is the more. Yeah, that's the show.

491
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: Over there, I'd go in and pitch an idea, and

492
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: unlike over here, where it has to go through you know,

493
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: God knows how many network development executives um they would

494
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: just say, we'd rather like that idea, here's the money,

495
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: go ahead and do it seriously, and I wouldn't hear

496
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: anything for weeks, like is anybody out there? Am I doing? Okay?

497
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: An enormous amount of responsibility but also freedom, and that's

498
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: why we get these amazing shows out of Britain to

499
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: this day, because they don't funk around with you. Now

500
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: when you and Nestmith go out on the road, now

501
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: you go periodic, periodically, you guys are out there, and

502
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: when you're out there, like, how does it begin the show? Mike?

503
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: First of all, I sang most of the leads, and

504
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Mike wrote some incredible tunes for the Monkeys and Africa.

505
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: It's probably a lot more musical. We have incredible band

506
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: ten piece Van. It's different, but the hits are there

507
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: because the people want to hear the hits and I've

508
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: always acknowledged that and I do them as they remember them.

509
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: It's very important to do that so they can sing along.

510
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: Peter Tork got love him, you know, passed away last year,

511
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: and Davy Jones passed away a few years ago. Yeah,

512
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: the Monkeys thing will go on, you know, with or

513
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: without me, because a the music was you know, so

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00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: special and the show. You know, the thing about the

515
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: TV show, the smartest thing they did, those producers is

516
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: that it was not topical and it wasn't satirical like

517
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: I Love Lucy or The Honeymooners or it was about

518
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: these four guys that that we're living in this situation Malibu,

519
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: in mala and wanted to be successful, and we never

520
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: were on the show. That's I think one of the

521
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: reasons why it stands up. My last question for you

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: would be music today. You know, contemporary music. Are you

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00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: a fan of much contemporary music? It's not in your

524
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: life as much. It's not in my life at all. Uh,

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: not that I have anything against it, but I kind

526
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: of I guess I kind of dialed out, uh with

527
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: Sinatra and classical guitar. In the morning, my wife and

528
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: I listened to Segovia and in the afternoon we listened

529
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: to Billie Holiday. I mean, you know, it's uh, you know,

530
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Speaker 1: because I do it for a living. You know, it's

531
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't keep up. I must admit. I'm sure there's

532
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: lots of wonderful stuff out there, but no, you have

533
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: how many kids? Oh? I have four? Four kids that

534
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: I know of it? What do they do? They? Anybody?

535
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: They're all having grandkids. Two of them are in the

536
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. One is photographer and mom stay at home mom,

537
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: and the other is uh, the chief officer for thirteen

538
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: African nations for the Clinton Foundation, trying to eradicate malaria,

539
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: working from where she lives in d C. But goes

540
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: to Africa frequently. How many girls? How many boys? All girls?

541
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: And now two grandchildren and a third at Christmas? Beautiful?

542
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Not bad for a long haired widow America. I'm going

543
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: to pack up all the pain. I'm gonna keep then

544
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: in my heart. I'm gonna catch me in the fastest train.

545
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna make me a nice dot. That's okay. Toma's

546
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna be in other day. Hey, and I don't care

547
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: what you say. Toma's gonna be. Toma's gonna be. Toma's

548
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: gonna be in a day. Mickey Dolan's youth culture icon grandfather.

549
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: That third grandchild was born right on schedule over the holidays,

550
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: a healthy baby boy currently sheltering in place with his

551
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: mom in Washington, d C. Mom's going to be an day. Hey,

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00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is gonna be another day. I'm Alec Baldwin. And

553
00:36:32,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: this is here's the thing. Well, I ain't gonna think

554
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: about you because they ain't known you Stone boys. I'm

555
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: gonna make it fine without you. I just like I

556
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: said before, I'm on my way. Tomor's gonna be another day. Hey, hey, hey,

557
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: and I don't care what you say. Tomorrow's gonna be.

558
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's gonna be. Tomorrow's gonna be another day. A he he,

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Speaker 1: I'm my day kah to gonna be ex