1
00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,400
Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle him Huddle in New York

2
00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,040
Speaker 1: Giants podcast. I'm John Schmok and welcome to another episode

3
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,720
Speaker 1: of the Giants Huddle Podcast. On today's show, we're going

4
00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,240
Speaker 1: to take a look back at Super Bowl twenty five,

5
00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,119
Speaker 1: very own Bob Papa. We'll talk to two men that

6
00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,919
Speaker 1: had a huge role in the Giants defeating the Buffalo Bills,

7
00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:29,160
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Bill Belichick and starting quarterback Jeff Hostetler. But first,

8
00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,240
Speaker 1: I want to remind you guys out there, if you're

9
00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,760
Speaker 1: listening to this on Giants dot Com or the Giants

10
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,720
Speaker 1: Mobile lapp, that's great, We appreciate it, but it's easier

11
00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,040
Speaker 1: if you better for us. Go to your favorite podcast platform.

12
00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,839
Speaker 1: Subscribe at us to your favorites. If you're an Apple podcast,

13
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,520
Speaker 1: leave a positive review and a high rating. Now let's

14
00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,640
Speaker 1: get to our interviews. The Giants are hosting the Bills

15
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,040
Speaker 1: this week in their home opener. The Giants are celebrating

16
00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,520
Speaker 1: their fantennial celebration honoring the hundred years of the National

17
00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,240
Speaker 1: Football League. So we're taking a look back at the

18
00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,440
Speaker 1: giants biggest matchup against the Bills in their history, and

19
00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,200
Speaker 1: that of course, Super Bowl twenty five. Let's start with

20
00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,760
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, who developed a game plan to slow down

21
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,160
Speaker 1: what was then perhaps the best offense in the NFL,

22
00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,200
Speaker 1: a no huddle, kigon, high flying offense led by quarterback

23
00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,000
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly. Thurman Thomas played running back and wide receivers

24
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,199
Speaker 1: Andre Reid and James Lofton. Now Bob Papa with future

25
00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,399
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and Giants defensive coordinator for Super Bowl

26
00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,320
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Super Bowl t Whether I talked to that.

27
00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,240
Speaker 1: When I see ever Sin or any of the guys

28
00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,120
Speaker 1: from that team, they'll say the same thing. Yeah. You know,

29
00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,840
Speaker 1: we prided ourselves on not allowing the opposition to run

30
00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,720
Speaker 1: the ball, and Coach Belichick told us we need to

31
00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,160
Speaker 1: let Thurmon Thomas get a hundred yards or more. That's

32
00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,959
Speaker 1: how we win the game. Is that true? Well, I

33
00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,920
Speaker 1: think Thurman Tomas. I think the running game was the

34
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,360
Speaker 1: least of our concerns in that game. And Thurmon Thomas

35
00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,600
Speaker 1: is a great back. We knew he was going to

36
00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,680
Speaker 1: get some yards. But I didn't feel like we wanted

37
00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,360
Speaker 1: to get into a game where they threw the ball

38
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,720
Speaker 1: forty five times. And I knew if they had some

39
00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,520
Speaker 1: success running the ball, that you know, they would stay

40
00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,240
Speaker 1: with it, and I always felt like when we needed

41
00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,040
Speaker 1: to stop the run, we could stop it. And the

42
00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,240
Speaker 1: more times they threw it was just one less time

43
00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,799
Speaker 1: they could get it to read or get at the

44
00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,000
Speaker 1: loft in or throw it to Thomas, who I thought

45
00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,160
Speaker 1: was more dangerous as a receiver because there's more space

46
00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,120
Speaker 1: than he was as a runner where they actually had

47
00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,760
Speaker 1: to block everybody. So, you know, we started the game

48
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,120
Speaker 1: with you know, a lot of defensive backs. We didn't

49
00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,679
Speaker 1: play many defensive linemen, and I was trying to kind

50
00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,280
Speaker 1: of entice them into calling more runs because they could

51
00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,760
Speaker 1: see that we didn't have many many defensive linemen on

52
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,760
Speaker 1: the field, but they still didn't really run the ball

53
00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,000
Speaker 1: that much. And then at halftime we just kind of

54
00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,639
Speaker 1: assumed that they're going to sit in there at halftime

55
00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,200
Speaker 1: and say we got to start running the ball. And

56
00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,000
Speaker 1: so then that's when we went to our Nickel group

57
00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,320
Speaker 1: and and tried to beef it up a little bit,

58
00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,919
Speaker 1: and they did try to run the ball more in

59
00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,320
Speaker 1: the second half. I mean, ultimately, the play of the

60
00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,880
Speaker 1: game to me was was ever since making the tackle

61
00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,880
Speaker 1: on thereman Thomas at the end of the game, and

62
00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,280
Speaker 1: and really at that point, their assing game was diminished

63
00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,839
Speaker 1: to the point where on that last drive, I don't

64
00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,520
Speaker 1: think they gained any yards at all. Throw on me

65
00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,080
Speaker 1: through a diagonal where the guy ran out of bounds,

66
00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,440
Speaker 1: But I mean their yards came, you know, in a

67
00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,799
Speaker 1: running game punishing their wide receivers. I mean, how much

68
00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,480
Speaker 1: was that understood by your guys that that had to

69
00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,640
Speaker 1: be done. That's the way they wanted to play, you know,

70
00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,280
Speaker 1: we played. I mean, our base defense was covered too.

71
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,280
Speaker 1: And and the theory and cover two is jam the

72
00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,400
Speaker 1: outside receivers, get two safeties deep in the middle and

73
00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,480
Speaker 1: let them throw it inside. And are they going to

74
00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,720
Speaker 1: catch them? Sure, But Pepper and Carl and Lawrence and

75
00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,240
Speaker 1: those guys, that's what they live for. Good. You can

76
00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,400
Speaker 1: catch for four or five yards that you're gonna pay

77
00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,480
Speaker 1: the price. And that's you know, And that's the way

78
00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,160
Speaker 1: we wanted to play. And we wanted them to throw short.

79
00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,080
Speaker 1: We wanted to keep it in front of us, and

80
00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,080
Speaker 1: we wanted to either hit them if they came in

81
00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,280
Speaker 1: there on the route or if they caught it, you know,

82
00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,400
Speaker 1: to hit him after the catch. And and just try

83
00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,720
Speaker 1: to make it a more physical game. Again, Buffalo and

84
00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,720
Speaker 1: their k gun like to create space, like to get

85
00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,960
Speaker 1: everything spread out, and we're trying to keep it away

86
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,960
Speaker 1: from a you know, a real thumping game, and that's

87
00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,640
Speaker 1: what we wanted to try to bring it back to.

88
00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,400
Speaker 1: Was that game a perfect example of team in the

89
00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,680
Speaker 1: ultimate sense of it's a warm, hot night in Tampa,

90
00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,400
Speaker 1: it's very humid, You've got some age on your team,

91
00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,680
Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the ball, and you're

92
00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,360
Speaker 1: running backs a little bit older too, I might add, um,

93
00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,400
Speaker 1: they're a fast, young team, and here's where your physicality

94
00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:32,839
Speaker 1: is a defense combined with your team's offensive physicality meshed

95
00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,680
Speaker 1: perfectly on that one night where it delivered victory. Absolutely absolutely.

96
00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,159
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that our offense was on the

97
00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,719
Speaker 1: field for so long, uh, with their offense being such

98
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,400
Speaker 1: a fast paced offense, helped in a number of ways.

99
00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean, A it kept him off the field, be

100
00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,800
Speaker 1: it gave us a lot more time defensively, you know,

101
00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,200
Speaker 1: after every series, to talk about the adjustments, to talk

102
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,280
Speaker 1: about what they were doing, to look at the pictures,

103
00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,720
Speaker 1: to you know, just further teach the players, uh, and

104
00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,159
Speaker 1: for them to communicate with each other about what was happening,

105
00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,039
Speaker 1: because again, nobody was used to play in that offense.

106
00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,520
Speaker 1: They were the only team that ran it, and they

107
00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,760
Speaker 1: ran it very well. Uh, and it was different for us.

108
00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,119
Speaker 1: You know, we spent most of our time that week

109
00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,640
Speaker 1: watching TV film, which you really can't see the whole play.

110
00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,080
Speaker 1: But the thing about the TV film was we saw

111
00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,640
Speaker 1: the pace and so we made the players in those

112
00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,720
Speaker 1: TV films, you know, I would yell out the call

113
00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,400
Speaker 1: as soon as the play was over, and then the

114
00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,640
Speaker 1: players would have to communicate their coverage responsibilities that are

115
00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,440
Speaker 1: run responsibilities. But it forced us to think faster than

116
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,159
Speaker 1: what we were used to doing. So having that extra

117
00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,240
Speaker 1: time on the sideline too to talk to the players,

118
00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,800
Speaker 1: to tell them, Okay, the next time, here's the first

119
00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,840
Speaker 1: call I'm gonna make. Then here's the second call I'm

120
00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna make. Because they were in the same formation every time,

121
00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,919
Speaker 1: that wasn't an issue. Um, after we call those two things,

122
00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,240
Speaker 1: then this next thing will set up off of that.

123
00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,640
Speaker 1: But it gave us a lot of time to prepare

124
00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,719
Speaker 1: those things. And that was because our offense was able

125
00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,760
Speaker 1: to hold the ball and you know, Jumbo did a

126
00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,680
Speaker 1: good job on Bruce Smith and we were able to

127
00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, run and stay on the field. Offensively and

128
00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,080
Speaker 1: we didn't have to play that much defense, and and

129
00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,159
Speaker 1: that that really helped because it had it gone the

130
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,520
Speaker 1: other way, you know, we've been playing eight plays on

131
00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,559
Speaker 1: defense and they had the ball for thirty five minutes,

132
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760
Speaker 1: it would have been tough. That's Bill Belichick. And then

133
00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,279
Speaker 1: you have Jeff Hosteller, who took over for starting quarterback

134
00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,240
Speaker 1: Phil Simms after an injury earlier in the year. Hosteller

135
00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,760
Speaker 1: was a career backup and was finally given the opportunity

136
00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,920
Speaker 1: to lead the Giants to the Promised Land, and he did.

137
00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,000
Speaker 1: Bob starts the interview with Jeff Hosteller by asking about

138
00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 1: the game winning field goal from Matt Barr in the

139
00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,960
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game a week prior that got the Giants

140
00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,039
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. As far as kick goes through,

141
00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,600
Speaker 1: are you still in the moment, do you have a

142
00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,880
Speaker 1: chance to reflect that A Holy cow, I'm gonna be

143
00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,800
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl. I think I

144
00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,320
Speaker 1: think after that game, get into the locker room, um uh.

145
00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,240
Speaker 1: Finally just sitting there and just kind of thinking a

146
00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,360
Speaker 1: little bit and realizing, Wow, all these people said it

147
00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,440
Speaker 1: couldn't be done, and we're going to Super Bowl. And

148
00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,400
Speaker 1: that was that was a that was a great moment. Um.

149
00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,320
Speaker 1: But like all things, just going to Super Bowl, you

150
00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,280
Speaker 1: can't just go to the the super Bowl. You gotta win

151
00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,360
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And again it's uh, you've got that

152
00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,120
Speaker 1: great um feeling of having one and doing things that

153
00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,480
Speaker 1: people said can't be done, and uh, uh to let's

154
00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 1: put it aside, worry about it later. Let's concentrate because

155
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200
Speaker 1: at that point we only had one week and we're

156
00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,200
Speaker 1: going against the team that um it was supposedly the

157
00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,600
Speaker 1: lock of the year to win the Super Bowl and

158
00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,440
Speaker 1: we were underdogs again. But um, we liked that role.

159
00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,360
Speaker 1: You know. Um, one of the most important plays in

160
00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl is the safety that you took. Um,

161
00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,880
Speaker 1: take me through that play, because I'm guessing nine times

162
00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,120
Speaker 1: out of ten, most quarterbacks are coughing that ball up.

163
00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,680
Speaker 1: It's a touchdown and maybe that game gets out of reach,

164
00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,880
Speaker 1: but you're able to keep the ball, and suddenly a

165
00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,840
Speaker 1: safety didn't seem like such a bad thing. Yeah, it was.

166
00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160
Speaker 1: I believe that the play was to eight, um, where

167
00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,480
Speaker 1: I'll drop back five steps and then roll out to

168
00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,960
Speaker 1: the right. We were down close to the goal line, uh,

169
00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 1: coming out, and as I dropped back, I think Otis

170
00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,880
Speaker 1: had to step in, uh to pick somebody up, and

171
00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,440
Speaker 1: as he stepped in, he caught my foot. I started

172
00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,360
Speaker 1: to stumble. The ball comes back and uh again it

173
00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,160
Speaker 1: felt like back home with my two older brothers in

174
00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,480
Speaker 1: the yard. UM. I felt this big old mit on

175
00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,720
Speaker 1: my arm, on my wrist, and then it was everything

176
00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,760
Speaker 1: I could do to to try to get the rest

177
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,760
Speaker 1: of my body wrapped back around and try to find

178
00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,840
Speaker 1: the ball. And uh, UM, you know at the time,

179
00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,240
Speaker 1: I was, I was fired up just because uh, you know,

180
00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,280
Speaker 1: you don't want to give up a safety. UM, I

181
00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,319
Speaker 1: got tripped up, you know, Uh we cost us two points.

182
00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,400
Speaker 1: Uh you know, it was frustration not looking at um

183
00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,960
Speaker 1: as the game turned out it to be a big play. UM.

184
00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,240
Speaker 1: But it ended up being a huge play. UM. It

185
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,000
Speaker 1: could have turned the game completely the opposite way, but

186
00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,880
Speaker 1: unfortunately able to tuck it in and and UM just

187
00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,400
Speaker 1: give up to take me through that drive near the

188
00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,640
Speaker 1: end of the first half that ends with the Stephen

189
00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,439
Speaker 1: Baker touchdown on the left corner of the end zone.

190
00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,320
Speaker 1: But that drive, it seemed like you guys really got

191
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,480
Speaker 1: into a rhythm both with the run in the past. Well,

192
00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:38,280
Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, we actually survived a

193
00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,120
Speaker 1: bombardment from them early on. I mean, they weren't a

194
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,920
Speaker 1: real big defensive unit. They were fast, quick defensive unit

195
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,439
Speaker 1: that uh had some big name players and really talented,

196
00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,800
Speaker 1: and um, we just weren't able to get in a

197
00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,839
Speaker 1: rhythm yet. And Um, all of a sudden, it was okay, guys,

198
00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,839
Speaker 1: it's do or die. We got a number one, give

199
00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,320
Speaker 1: our defense a little break. Number two, we gotta start

200
00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,240
Speaker 1: wearing these guys down, and we gotta play smash mouth football.

201
00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,840
Speaker 1: We gotta move it around, move the pocket around, um,

202
00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,280
Speaker 1: mix up, running pass and that's what we ended up doing.

203
00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,760
Speaker 1: Gave everybody an opportunity to do their job and play

204
00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,320
Speaker 1: a role in it. And I think that was the key.

205
00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,640
Speaker 1: Guys stepped up, made plays, We blocked well, we we

206
00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,520
Speaker 1: ran the ball well. Um, we threw the ball well.

207
00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,280
Speaker 1: We kept him off balance, we attacked the edges. They

208
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,160
Speaker 1: didn't know where I was going to end up. And

209
00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,920
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think that gave all of us confidence.

210
00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,120
Speaker 1: I think that gave our offensive line confidence. Um, knowing

211
00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,240
Speaker 1: that they could protect me, that that I wasn't just

212
00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,959
Speaker 1: going to be a sitting duck, you know, five or

213
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,160
Speaker 1: six yards back, and that was a huge, huge opportunity

214
00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,040
Speaker 1: for us as a team to go ahead and play

215
00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,480
Speaker 1: smash mouth football, eat up the clock, and and uh,

216
00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,720
Speaker 1: everybody after that knew that we could get it done,

217
00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,840
Speaker 1: probably until the Tyree catch in Super Bowl forty two.

218
00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,800
Speaker 1: One of the great plays in Super Bowl history is

219
00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,520
Speaker 1: mark Ingram's third down catch and run where he literally

220
00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,040
Speaker 1: broke seven or eight tackles. You're the one that delivered

221
00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,960
Speaker 1: them the ball. Tell me what you're seeing as this

222
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,320
Speaker 1: play is unfolding well with third and long. I can't

223
00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,040
Speaker 1: remember what the distance was. Um sou buffalo dropped back

224
00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,280
Speaker 1: trying to prevent you know, the completed pass for the

225
00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,959
Speaker 1: first down beyond the sticks. And one of the things

226
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,960
Speaker 1: I'd seen many times and heard many times and learned

227
00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,800
Speaker 1: many times was, um, sometimes you gotta get guys the

228
00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to make those plays. And dumped it underneath to

229
00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: mark Ingram, and uh, just an un unbelievable play, an

230
00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable effort by him, but also other guys around, you know,

231
00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,600
Speaker 1: just not giving up their blocks coming down and trying

232
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,040
Speaker 1: to get in position to make something else happen. But uh,

233
00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,640
Speaker 1: he did a great job cutting, you know, stopping on

234
00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,560
Speaker 1: a dime, twirling, uh, hopping on one leg, everything that

235
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,560
Speaker 1: he could do to get that first down. And um,

236
00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,400
Speaker 1: you know that was that was sort of the signature

237
00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,640
Speaker 1: of of our whole team. Every individual that we uh

238
00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,719
Speaker 1: that played in that game was doing the same thing.

239
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,559
Speaker 1: It was laying everything out on the line. How much

240
00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,200
Speaker 1: of a common influence was it with Otis? I mean

241
00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,520
Speaker 1: he gets traded in eighty six they barely use him.

242
00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is one of the elite running

243
00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,000
Speaker 1: backs in the NFL. He comes to the Giants, there's

244
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,680
Speaker 1: really no role for him. Um, then obviously he gets

245
00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,400
Speaker 1: a role once Joe Morris got hurt and but then

246
00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,280
Speaker 1: it was Hampton's ball. But then Rodney got hurt, and

247
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,400
Speaker 1: now here's Otis starting in the super Bowl. Here's Jeff

248
00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,439
Speaker 1: and eighty four round draft pick that never got a

249
00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,560
Speaker 1: chance to play, and both of you guys, my opinion,

250
00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,800
Speaker 1: it should have been co m vps to that Super Bowl.

251
00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,439
Speaker 1: But how much of you, how much did you lean

252
00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,439
Speaker 1: on him and him on you through this? Uh tremendously,

253
00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,320
Speaker 1: you know Otis and I, um, heck, we practiced all

254
00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,840
Speaker 1: the time together. I mean, uh, he was a huge

255
00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,120
Speaker 1: coming uh influence on me. A positive influence on me,

256
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,360
Speaker 1: a supportive influence, and I the same for him. We

257
00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,560
Speaker 1: practiced together, you know. Uh, it's funny because Otis a

258
00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,440
Speaker 1: lot of times took the ball differently. He didn't give

259
00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,920
Speaker 1: you a pocket to take it. And the good thing

260
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,240
Speaker 1: about when he came in, I was used to how

261
00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,080
Speaker 1: to get the ball to him. It was the same

262
00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,640
Speaker 1: with Stephen Baker. You know, we we spent a lot

263
00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,360
Speaker 1: of time on the on the picture team, on a

264
00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,800
Speaker 1: scout team, you know, given our defense looks. Um. You know,

265
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 1: I got used to knowing how to throw the ball

266
00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,920
Speaker 1: to to to bake, you know, and the same with

267
00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,680
Speaker 1: with Otis. Um. I think that was part of the

268
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,560
Speaker 1: It was tougher for me to get used to um.

269
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,679
Speaker 1: You know guys that were starters because I never had

270
00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,560
Speaker 1: the opportunities to work with them and UM. So you

271
00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,680
Speaker 1: know when we had the chance together, man, it was

272
00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,360
Speaker 1: it was we were both pumped up, pumped up for

273
00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,640
Speaker 1: each other, um and looking out for each other. And

274
00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,400
Speaker 1: I think, uh, having him they're playing well, UM, always

275
00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,679
Speaker 1: be in support of it was huge. So you take

276
00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,640
Speaker 1: a knee with your helmet. You're down off on the

277
00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,640
Speaker 1: side there and you're watching Thurman Thomas and Jim Kelly

278
00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,520
Speaker 1: drive the football. What's going through your mind as you're

279
00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,920
Speaker 1: watching the defense? And I think it was Everston that

280
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,120
Speaker 1: made a big tackle on Thurman Thomas. So it's maybe

281
00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,960
Speaker 1: they get a lot closer for a game winning field goal.

282
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,440
Speaker 1: But what's racing through your mind? Because your job is

283
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,080
Speaker 1: done at this point, You've delivered the lead. There's nothing

284
00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,400
Speaker 1: else I can do. Yeah, I can remember um watching

285
00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,880
Speaker 1: the defense, watching move the ball down, watching the clock,

286
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,080
Speaker 1: and then when they lined up for the field goal,

287
00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,360
Speaker 1: I can remember getting away from everybody trying to to

288
00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,200
Speaker 1: go down and I just took a knee and just

289
00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,360
Speaker 1: watched in. Um. Uh, you know, firmly believe God had

290
00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,040
Speaker 1: a plan for me, and UM I was able to

291
00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,840
Speaker 1: go out and give the best that I could. I

292
00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,600
Speaker 1: did everything that I could that day out on that field. UM,

293
00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,480
Speaker 1: I had prepared myself, UM played as best as I could.

294
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040
Speaker 1: And now it was an opportunity just to sit and

295
00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,040
Speaker 1: just watch. I had no idea what was going to happen,

296
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,280
Speaker 1: but I just knew that I was gonna take this

297
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,920
Speaker 1: moment in and no matter what happened, I was just

298
00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and watch everybody and uh, I can

299
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,640
Speaker 1: still hear the thump and see that ball going up,

300
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,120
Speaker 1: and I can still see the official underneath no good

301
00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,680
Speaker 1: and just watching our guys race all over the place. Um.

302
00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,560
Speaker 1: I stayed there for a while, just uh, just savoring

303
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,600
Speaker 1: it because I knew, as you stayed, I did everything

304
00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,920
Speaker 1: that I could. At that time, my job was done. Um,

305
00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,720
Speaker 1: Now it was just a matter of what the outcome

306
00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,640
Speaker 1: was going to be. So now you get once you

307
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,080
Speaker 1: get back to the locker room, now it's you are

308
00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,440
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champion, and you're the winning quarterback, and

309
00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,880
Speaker 1: that ring is gonna feel and look a lot better

310
00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,920
Speaker 1: than the eighties six ring, which you also earned as

311
00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,000
Speaker 1: a member of the team. But um, what wasn't when

312
00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,440
Speaker 1: it first started to wash over you that what you

313
00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:01,320
Speaker 1: had accomplished. Well, I think it was a combination of things.

314
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, the atmosphere outside the football community, what

315
00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,680
Speaker 1: was going on in the world with the Gulf War,

316
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:17,520
Speaker 1: and um, the Star Spangled banner, banner sung by Whitney Houston. Um,

317
00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,200
Speaker 1: the whole stadium filled with little flags. At one point

318
00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,000
Speaker 1: in the first half, I was dinged up, got hit

319
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,360
Speaker 1: and they were giving me smelling salts, and uh, the

320
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,040
Speaker 1: only thing I can remember after they left was seeing

321
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,800
Speaker 1: a big coughed her up in the in the sky

322
00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,800
Speaker 1: with the guns out, and thinking, wow, look at this,

323
00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, all this stuff that's going on, and then

324
00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,760
Speaker 1: having boom back into the game, and then having won

325
00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,440
Speaker 1: the game and being back in the locker room and

326
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,840
Speaker 1: then having all of a sudden, all this tight security

327
00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,040
Speaker 1: and every one of my brothers is in there, my

328
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,440
Speaker 1: two kids, my my wife is pregnant, is in with me.

329
00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,920
Speaker 1: Um all celebrating something that sick weeks earlier, UM didn't

330
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,520
Speaker 1: even seem a possibility. It was pretty special, special for

331
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,959
Speaker 1: Giant fans as well. That's Bill Belichick and Jeff Hostetler

332
00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,000
Speaker 1: on the most recent episode of the Giant Tubtle podcast.

333
00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. And again, if you're

334
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,600
Speaker 1: listening to this on Giants dot Com with the Giants

335
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,520
Speaker 1: Bill Blap, we appreciate it. But if you go to

336
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,639
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platform, make sure you subscribe at us

337
00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,679
Speaker 1: to your favorites, put us into your feed. It's a

338
00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,040
Speaker 1: lot easier for you and better for us. Thank you

339
00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,960
Speaker 1: to Bob Papa, to Bill Belichick and the Jeff Hosteller

340
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,159
Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll see you next time on the

341
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,159
Speaker 1: Giant Tubtle Podcast audios,