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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Inside

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Speaker 1: the Draft is back here in mid March. I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today. I'm joining alongside Kasey Valier

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Speaker 1: or inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. This

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Speaker 1: of courses our weekly look at the upcoming NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: at the end of April. It's also the first week

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Speaker 1: of NFL free agency. Things are beginning to become official

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Speaker 1: around the NFL with new deals and free agency as

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Speaker 1: we enter the new league here on Wednesday yesterday at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock Eastern times. Let's talk about the draft and

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Speaker 1: free agency a bit to this point with someone who's

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Speaker 1: versatile enough to do both joining us today on Inside

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Speaker 1: the Draft, Trevor Sikama, who covers the NFL and the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft for Pro Football Focus. Trevor, thanks for the

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Speaker 1: time today, sir. How are you. I'm doing great, guys,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you have absolutely all right, So let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: As I said, free agency is in full swing here

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Speaker 1: this first week of the new league year, if you will,

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Speaker 1: so what moves have surprised you around the NFL. As

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Speaker 1: we look at this thing big picture, is there anything

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Speaker 1: so far that's just absolutely blown you away? Well, I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: counts the free agency signing, But what happened with Jalen

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Speaker 1: Ramsey's kind of crazy. I mean, for what's going on

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Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Rams they just went a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and then all of a sudden, one of the

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Speaker 1: that was not that steep. I get that he's got

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Speaker 1: the Miami golfins that shakes up things a lot, because

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Speaker 1: that's just that it's a point the calendar where free

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Speaker 1: agency isn't just the guys who signed it. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys who become available in a lot of

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Speaker 1: different ways. And we see little trades here and there,

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Speaker 1: but man, this isn't a little trade. Miami's going all

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Speaker 1: getting stronger by the minute for getting one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course I would say the little Marchi

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Speaker 1: on hold a little bit for what Lamar is going

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Speaker 1: to do. It was a strange situation with him getting

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Speaker 1: so those are the two biggest moves that I feel

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Speaker 1: and you know, he's been very vocal on Twitter about

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Speaker 1: the money that he was guaranteed and all this. Do

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Speaker 1: of this is kind of a little bit more smoke

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Speaker 1: And I think what made all of this very very shocking,

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Speaker 1: and so it's a business as much as it is

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Speaker 1: but those top fifteen guys are treated like premium position players. Right.

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Speaker 1: We've seen and get drafted incredibly high in the draft,

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Speaker 1: top five, top ten, top twelve. These are premium positions.

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the way that I'm viewing wide receiver

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Speaker 1: Insider joining us here from Pro Football Focus, and as

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Speaker 1: NFL free agency here, Yeah, I wonder if any of

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Speaker 1: relates to the cults. What did that tell you about

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Speaker 1: going from four to one and letting someone else do

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Speaker 1: that going up to the top spot. Yeah, it's huge,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we're answering some questions here as free

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Speaker 1: it feels like they're just not gearing up for that

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Speaker 1: Carolina getting to number one simply means there's only one

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Speaker 1: where Indie can get QB two at number four overall.

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Speaker 1: But I've also done scenarios where Indie's left with QB

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Speaker 1: is still a realistic possibility where of course Carolina we

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Speaker 1: and then Arizona. That's the last key, right, Like, that's

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Speaker 1: just don't know how clear of a picture that's going

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Speaker 1: to be. That's Trevor Sikama. He's an NFL NFL Draft insider.

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Speaker 1: Great word, great follow you cover him or you follow him,

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Speaker 1: I should say on Pro Football Focus. Last one, Trevor,

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Speaker 1: but this corner class is incredible. Devon Witherspoon one of

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Speaker 1: He could be a CB one type despite his smaller frame.

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Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez. I mean, it feels like this guy's absolutely

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Speaker 1: give me Joey Porter Jr. You know, legacy guy with

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Speaker 1: Love how he's just got such a great history of

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Speaker 1: Corner is a corner is a position. Where As I

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Speaker 1: But this is a rare draft class where I think

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Speaker 1: that even maybe into days to round three of this draft,

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Speaker 1: Calumber kind of a guy for you. So a lot

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Speaker 1: draft runs through the cornerback group. I I get a

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Speaker 1: lot of corner talk right there. Trevor Sickama, NFL NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft Insider, Pro Football Focus. Trevor, what are you're writing

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Speaker 1: about soon and where else can we catch your work

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Speaker 1: leading up to a draft weekend? Oh? Man, Well, I

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Speaker 1: got a new three round mock draft coming out after

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Speaker 1: the free agency frenzy that's going to be coming up

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Speaker 1: later this week. I'm very excited about that. And then

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Speaker 1: I'll cover in the NFL Draft basically from every single

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Speaker 1: angle on our show, the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can follow that on YouTube. We've got our own YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel there as well as anywhere that you find your podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can check us out there as well. It's really

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Speaker 1: good stuff, really good follow and this is the first

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Speaker 1: chance we've had to have you on Trevor, get to

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Speaker 1: know you a little bit and hear your insights. It

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Speaker 1: was awesome man, so we really appreciate it. I hope

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Speaker 1: we can do it again soon because we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah. Appreciate you guys anytime, truly.