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Speaker 1: I saw he had a wedding ring on and I

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Speaker 1: be a little temperamental. You can make mistakes, but if

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Speaker 1: I had a general manager tell me I was out

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Speaker 1: He was the Steeters third choice. And it's I was

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Speaker 1: I think Aaron's just gotten to a point where I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think it's pretty bizarre that

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Speaker 2: And you've been on this forever. Listen as someone that

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Speaker 1: And I just look at Aaron's prime. It's half of Brady.

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Speaker 1: He was going to beat out Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 2: It's excellent, and they loaded up because they had JJ

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Speaker 2: going to some crappy team like ultimately Jayden Daniels, who

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Speaker 2: So if you make a guy the starter, he'd better

429
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Speaker 2: be showing something, especially if he's running the scout team.

430
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: I remember when perty became the starter, when Jimmy Garoppolo

431
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: and Trey Lance went down. It was easy to justify

432
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,400
Speaker 2: to the team because the Fred Warners and the boss

433
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 2: were like, we love this guy in practice, We've been

434
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Speaker 2: seeing him goes back to the Rogers and some of

435
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: these guys that run the scout team, they earn street

436
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: cred with the team. And I do think you throw

437
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: a guy like that in the coach and the GM

438
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Speaker 2: wouldn't just be behind the scenes like what are we doing?

439
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: The team could quit on you, but the owner has

440
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: proven that he doesn't really care. I get asked a

441
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Speaker 2: lot like how can these owners be so successful in

442
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: whatever line of work they do and then such bad owners?

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Speaker 2: And I do you know the thing with football that's

444
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: different than just running a trucking company or tepper and

445
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,080
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446
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 2: of stuff once you get so much capital and resources.

447
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: In football, everyone the salary cap. Salary cap, you only

448
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: have a limited amount of draft picks. And once you

449
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Speaker 2: invest in a couple guys like they do, get a

450
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,760
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451
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452
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Speaker 4: I wanted to move on to the Knicks. So I

488
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: see this report this morning, and it's from Sham's talking

489
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Speaker 4: about how they're just calling up around all these big

490
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 4: shot code which is in the league. Jason Kidd, Doka,

491
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 4: Quinn Snyder, Chris Finch, what do you make of this

492
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 4: bizarre behavior.

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Speaker 1: From the Knicks right now? I'm not a tinfoil hat guy,

494
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: but James Dolan who's been in a band. I'm not

495
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Speaker 1: sure if he still is views himself as an artist

496
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Speaker 1: and that's why he is his his his greatest achievement

497
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: is not the Knicks. I mean he inherited the cable

498
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Speaker 1: vision from his dad. Right, it's the Sphere in Vegas,

499
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Speaker 1: which is a remarkable Have you been there? I think

500
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Speaker 1: you've been there six times.

501
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Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's a remarkable musical engagement achievement all time

503
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Speaker 1: in the world, and that's really where his heart is.

504
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: Irving aves Off, a former great promoter now I think

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Speaker 1: he's MGM Management is one of his closest friends. He was,

506
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, he was a had a record label. That's who.

507
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: That's who James Dolan is. So when he wants to

508
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Speaker 1: get a GM, he goes after a star Phil Jackson.

509
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: Then he wanted Steve Kerr and Amari Stodamire on Bad

510
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: Knees out of Phoenix and Tibbs isn't his kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: So who does he go after? Jason Kidd, who's a star.

512
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Speaker 1: He's interested in. Kevin Durant, who's a star. That's who

513
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: James Dolan is. He hangs around stars. He loves stars.

514
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Speaker 1: He's a creative. This is not a criticism, but I

515
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: think he listened to his players grumble. You know, he

516
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: sat down with his players and again he relates to

517
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Speaker 1: artists and athletes and stars. He just go look at

518
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: the history. And when he was doing the sphere for

519
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: two years, he was disengaged from the team and they

520
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: got very patient and very pragmatic and very basketball. He

521
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: and very villanova ish and that's Tibbs. And so you

522
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Speaker 1: get rid of Tibbs. It's not the same culture. It's

523
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Speaker 1: not the same team. You still have the Villanova guys,

524
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Speaker 1: but it won't feel the same. So it just it

525
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Speaker 1: just feels like James and I don't I almost you know,

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Speaker 1: he reminds me a little bit of Ersay and that

527
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: Ersay would rather sit with his guitar and hang out

528
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Speaker 1: with Dylan outside of football more than anything else. And

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Speaker 1: I think James Dolan's a little bit of that. And

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00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: I think he's an emotional guy. He's an artist. He

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Speaker 1: relates to artists and he listens to his stars, and

532
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: he didn't have a plan, and I think it's a big,

533
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: big mistake. This, by the way, this is what every

534
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Nick fan dreaded is that when he came back from

535
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: the sphere he would get hands on And there are

536
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: various reports on who has their fingerprints on this, but

537
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: they're not getting rid of TIBs. He just signed a

538
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: new deal without Dolan, you know, acquiescing to a suggestion

539
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: or making the move himself. So in the end, this

540
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: is what the Knicks man. This league's crazy owners in

541
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: the NFL and the NBA. You know that all owners

542
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: now Jason are billionaires. It was years ago they weren't.

543
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: They made they were worth six hundred million or eight

544
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: hundred million. They wouldn't blow out staffs. They didn't want

545
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: to write a forty six million dollar check. That is

546
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: a rounding air. And now of these owners and they're

547
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: all I see it in the NFL all the time.

548
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: Guys will just blow out staffs. David Tepper write a

549
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: sixty eighty million dollar check. The dollars didn't want to

550
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: do that eight, ten, twelve years ago. They do now.

551
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know who they're gonna land they they

552
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been turned out by seven coaches, all

553
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: the good ones, Finch and Emo Duka and Jason Kidd,

554
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: and they're just getting turned out by everybody.

555
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, matt Isshbia blew out of staff twice within two

556
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: years of owning the team.

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00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

558
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: I uh, you know, it's it's fascinating because, like I

559
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: tried to look at it in a very open minded way,

560
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 4: because like I actually do think Jason Kid's a better

561
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: coach now than he gets credit for a couple of

562
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: years ago. I wasn't super high on him, but he,

563
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 4: just like anybody else, as a competitor, has been doing

564
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 4: it for a while now and he's gotten pretty good

565
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 4: at it. Like I was looking at the Knicks for

566
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: a second, like, I agree with you in terms of

567
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: the kind of topsy turvy unstable nature with which you

568
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: look and you portray to people when you fire your

569
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: coach in a situation like this. But I also think

570
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 4: Tims left some meat on the bone with this next team.

571
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 4: I thought they underachieved all season right out the gates.

572
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: They underachieved.

573
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: He brought it.

574
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Speaker 1: He's not a creative offensively, He's not like the team

575
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: got very predictable offensively.

576
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: I thought the major issue with this team schematically was spacing,

577
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: and it actually impacted both ends of the floor on offense.

578
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: Meant what you're mentioning in terms of creative offense, like

579
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: his what he did on offense in terms of his creativity.

580
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: The spacing for this team was extremely poor, which made

581
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 4: life very difficult, but it had a trickle down effect

582
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: in the sense that or spacing also affects your transition defense,

583
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: Like if you don't have your guys situated in proper

584
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: spaces on the floor, then on missus and turnovers, you

585
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: don't have guys in position to be back in transition defense.

586
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: And the Pacers annihilated them in transition in worse than

587
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: ever in game six, like embarrassing fashion in Game six

588
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: is Siakam and everyone else was just getting run out

589
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: up after runout dunk after runout layups. So like I

590
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: did think there was like a defensible case to move

591
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: on from TIBs to more of a tactician. I actually

592
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: see Jason Kidd as a solid option in the sense

593
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: that he was a master of modern four out spacing

594
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: with Luca when he was there, which actually I think

595
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: is a really natural fit with Brunson, and Brunson played

596
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: for Kid before, so there's like some natural stuff there.

597
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: And then he did a good job with transition defense

598
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: with the MAVs despite them not being super athletic. So

599
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: I give him credit for that that would work. The

600
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 4: thing there is, it's just unrealistic. And if I'm Jason Kidd,

601
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: why would Like, I don't actually see the Knicks as

602
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: that grade of a job, like insane New York pressure.

603
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: The roster is really good, but it's not amazing.

604
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: It's not Oh, by the way, Mikhale Bridges wants a

605
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: new contract. OG's getting paid, Brunson's getting paid like the

606
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson. These guys are getting paid like that. Dallas

607
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: think Lively's not getting paid, Cooper Flag won't get paid.

608
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if Max Christy doesn't cost much, AD's

609
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: getting paid, but you get twenty four and eleven Like, Yeah,

610
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I look at Dallas and I'm like, I get excellence

611
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: when they're healthy, and I get an incredible top end

612
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: with Lively and Flagg. I know what the Knicks are

613
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: and there's a ceiling and I see it all the time.

614
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like, I don't see it as being the

615
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: kind of job that Jason Kidd would be willing to

616
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Speaker 4: basically sabotage his situation and force his way there and

617
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 4: then like the other names I saw, I didn't even

618
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: particularly like, like ima Udoka is a motivator, that's like

619
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Speaker 4: his primary role, And I don't think that's a specific

620
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: need for the Knicks, Like I think the specific thing

621
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 4: that Nick's need is just someone to come in and

622
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: take them to the next level in terms of their

623
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: offensive organization and their spacing, which will lead to them

624
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: having a bunch of additional benefits and transition defense. I

625
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: understand there's a hesitancy to call a guy like Mike Malone,

626
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: and the reason why is because he has a reputation

627
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: for being a hard ass and Tibbs was kind of

628
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: a hard ass, and like, I don't think they want

629
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: to go down that route again. But there's like hard

630
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: ass and then there's TIBs. Like Mike Malone leaned on

631
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 4: his starters big minutes, but still not even close to

632
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: what Tibbs did. And one of the things I'll say

633
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: about Mike Malone, he was an excellent defense and spacing coach.

634
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: He made a championship defense out of non championship defensive

635
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: talent and they were always consistently one of the best

636
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: floor spacing teams in the league. And they were very

637
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: good and again, we can. We got to least acknowledge

638
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: Jokis was there. So Jokic makes it a lot easier, obviously,

639
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: but he specifically was very good at making spacing opportunities

640
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 4: out of non spacers, guys like Aaron Gordon, guys like

641
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: Christian Brown, guys like Bruce Brown over the years, guys

642
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: like h Russell Westbrook even so like fitting a guy

643
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: like Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson, some of these non shooting

644
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 4: types of players, even Mkhail Bridges, who has struggled a

645
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: lot as a shooter in this postseason run. Like, I

646
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: actually think Mike Malone is a really good fit for

647
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: this NIXT team. I think he's a completely reasonable option

648
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: that doesn't involve you doing something insane like calling you

649
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: on the league. Because here's what gets crazy. Let's say

650
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: you call the MAVs and they're like, okay, sure, let's

651
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: talk about Jason Kidd. What are you going to offer us?

652
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: We already acknowledged this is not a championship roster, So

653
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: you're going to give up assets for a coach. You

654
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: need players, You need talent in there, so like its

655
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: specifically defensive talent your front court. So I don't really

656
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: understand what the endgame is here.

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I am on the short list of

658
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: people that think Dallas is going to be really good,

659
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: really fast. I think Flag and Lively are you know,

660
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: they're duke guys. They're going to be quick learners. They

661
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: play at the highest level of competition Collegiately, I think

662
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: One's going to be One's twenty one or twenty two.

663
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: He's going to be a rim protector for the next decade.

664
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: So Cooper Flag can be out in transition, won't have

665
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: to worry about being down low and getting jammed up,

666
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: which has always been what Lebron loves. He doesn't want

667
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: to be messed up in that junk. He wants to

668
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, he wants that ball out and up the court.

669
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Speaker 1: So and I just you know, PJ. Washington, Christy. If

670
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Kyrie comes back, I'm not sure what they're going to

671
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: do with him. Ad I would forget the taxes, forget

672
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: everything else. I would not lead Dallas. I think Dallas

673
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: is a good job. The situation that's fascinating to me

674
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: is Houston because I think I think right now san

675
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: Antonio is about ready to pop. So I like san

676
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: Antonio and they could get you honest, and I think, Okay,

677
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: see as set and I think Houston's going to be

678
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: in that group of three young teams a little lost

679
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: because Jalen Green, I'm in, Thompson's excellent, Sengoon's excellent, but

680
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of athleticism that's not very good

681
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: in a half court game. And I think I think

682
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: Okase has popped. San Antonio is going to pop, and

683
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: I so I could if I'm if I'm a dooka,

684
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: I would consider the job. I think Houston's one of

685
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: those that, like the national media, we hover in, we

686
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: drop in, we go, oh okay, Houston didn't like what

687
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: I saw, I'll be honest, and I think you can

688
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: push him around. I don't think they have a lot

689
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: of half court possessions that are just sort of lost.

690
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: You don't get good looks. They look a little disorganized eye.

691
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: But Jason kid to me, the next five years in

692
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: Dallas are gonna be fascinating with just this trajectory that

693
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: goes through the roof.

694
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: The roster is weird because it's kind of imbalanced in

695
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: a sense that they just have an absurd amount of

696
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: front court talent, like you don't relively, Gafford, Anthony Davis, PJ.

697
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: Washington, and Cooper Flag.

698
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: Like that's five starting caliber players that all play the

699
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: four or the five. So like, I do see an

700
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: imbalance there, but there's an insane amount of talent. And

701
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 4: I actually go the other way there, which is like

702
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: they can afford to go into training camp and just

703
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: bring all these guys in and start playing and basically

704
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: look around the league and be like, who's gonna throw

705
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 4: us the Godfather offer for PJ. Washington, for Daniel gafferd Ford,

706
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: Anthony Davis, Like you could a argue that Ad is

707
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: going to be the target that someone goes after, like

708
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 4: because Ad is hurt now, so he's got that classic

709
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: Everyone's down on him. They think he's old, they think

710
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: he's beat up. Ad comes out of training camp looking

711
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: like he's in great shape, motivated, kicks everybody's butt for

712
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: a couple of months. He instantly becomes like a dude

713
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: you could flip for an enormous mountain of assets.

714
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: So I.

715
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: Look at Dallas as a very very healthy situation moving forward.

716
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: It's not the same Luka Doncic were right on the

717
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: doorstep of the title, but they do have a lot

718
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: of big picture potential. We got a report from Shams

719
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: today that Kevin Durant and his business partner, Ridge Climate

720
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: are kind of canvassing the league looking for potential opportunities.

721
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: The five names that were thrown out in the SHAMS

722
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: report for the Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, the Miami Heat,

723
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Timberwolves, in the New York Knicks. Did where

724
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: did your head go when you saw that report this morning?

725
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: Well, I think he works everywhere. I think there's very

726
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: few players that fit everywhere, and Katie is one of them.

727
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily need to be the soul of the team.

728
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't need the ball constantly in his hands. You

729
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: get great length, a willing defender twenty four, twenty six.

730
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: I think KD fits everywhere. You know, if I was

731
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: KD I in New York, I think he fits New

732
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: York well. But Brunson has the ball in his hands.

733
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean in his mind, is he thinking Brunston's got

734
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: some Westbrook like dribble the air out of the ball.

735
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in the corner like I could see him,

736
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: like I've been through that. You know, Kyrie, who he

737
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: played with, also can be a little bit like that.

738
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: So I could see KD just saying, you know, because

739
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: he's got the leverage here, I could see him saying,

740
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: I've kind of done the ball centric guard thing. I

741
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: just don't want it again. Pat Riley and Spolster are

742
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: very convincing people. Miami's a great place to play, no

743
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: state tax, It's a winter league, a lot of warm weather. Like,

744
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Miami's a really attractive place out east. But I'm a

745
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: KD fan. I think he fits in a lot of

746
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: places in Minnesota. He obviously fits. And you know, we've

747
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: talked about this, like Lebron in his prime was great,

748
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: but he had to be the offensive ecosystem you had

749
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: to Chris Bosh had to reduce, you know, got marginalized.

750
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Love can get marginalized guys get away from the rim.

751
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: Go you know, Kyrie Irving, you can't have the ball

752
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: that So Kevin never provides that kind of obstacle, Like

753
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: he just kind of fits. So I can tell you this,

754
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: if if if if you were a GM and you

755
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: talk to a coach or players, a lot of guys

756
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: would raise their hands and say, get KD. Because I

757
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: think he loves basketball. He's a good teammate, He's got

758
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: a good sense of humor. He doesn't need to be

759
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: the media darling. I think he's really liked and respected

760
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: in the league.

761
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 2: One hundredsent agree.

762
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: You know.

763
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: I love the point you made about his fit, Like

764
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: he all five of these teams the basketball makes a

765
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: lot of sense.

766
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: There's one.

767
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: The one team that I was like that doesn't make

768
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: as much of a sense in terms of the basketball

769
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: fit to me was the Spurs because it's like, I

770
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: don't love the idea of putting a super thin front

771
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: court player that likes the perimeter next to another super

772
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: thin front court player that likes them.

773
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

774
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: I wasn't a huge fan of that one. It also

775
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: just doesn't really fit San Antonio's timeline. So the Spurs

776
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 4: one was weird for me. The Heat, I like the fit.

777
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: I just don't know why KD would go there because

778
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 4: it just feels like another move to a team that's

779
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 4: not good enough to win the title. Like I'm just

780
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: not sure that like is Kevin Durant, Tyler Harrow, bam Adebayo,

781
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 4: is that enough to win the title. I don't.

782
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so much. But like when I'm watching

783
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: that kid Benedict Mathern. Mathern for Indy Tonight. I mean,

784
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to overreact here, but when I'm watching

785
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, Jesus, he's just a kid, Like

786
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna you're gonna get this two out of three

787
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: games next year, like this is this? I mean, by

788
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: the way, again, I think was either third leading scorer

789
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: on the team or fourth leading scorer this year.

790
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 4: Like he coming into the coming into this series. He

791
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: was actually the highest per minute score for the Pacers

792
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: in this playoff run because I use it a shorter roll,

793
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: but his like points per thirty six minutes was the

794
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 4: highest on the team.

795
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I watch him and I think, oh,

796
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: he's going to become a full time starter and it

797
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: will be Siakam Halle and Mathern are their three leading scorers.

798
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: So I mean, I just I'm looking at the East

799
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think Indiana is going to take

800
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: a leap next year. You know, they'll play with a

801
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: finals level confidence. So I just I don't think. I

802
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: just I and I'm not just saying this because they're

803
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: up two to one. I look at Indiana and I'm like, man,

804
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: that is a team with I mean outside of I

805
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: mean Sayakam, he is what he is. I feel like

806
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of Indiana all those players will be

807
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: better next year. I mean out Seawkams game is his game.

808
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: They're better than they were last year. It's just like

809
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: all of them. I was just so impressed with him tonight.

810
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 1: So we can start talking about with Tatum out next year.

811
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna run through Indy. We've got to be honest

812
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: about this. It's gonna run through Indy. They are deep,

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: they're well coached. Most of their players are ascending. The

814
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: East is running through Indy.

815
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

816
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: I agree, And I don't see the heat as like

817
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: an obvious like, oh, he goes there and he's all

818
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: of a sudden the favorite in the Eastern Conference.

819
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: I like the Rockets fit.

820
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: I think his skill set is desperately needed as a

821
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 4: guy who's a shot creator gone shoot from the perimeter.

822
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 4: He also brings length at the rim, which is not

823
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: like the Rockets are a big, strong team. They're not

824
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: like a long arms team. Like Jabari Smith Junior is

825
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: like the one guy they have that offers The.

826
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: Rockets need him. Jason, I would argue the Rockets need

827
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: him more than any other team that he would play for.

828
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: They need him their half court offense gets lost a.

829
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: Lot, Yeah, and he would go in there and immediately

830
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: vault them into top tier championship contention, So that move

831
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 4: makes some sense. I will say, by far, out of

832
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: these five teams, my favorite fit is the Timberwolves. It's

833
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: a similar lack of redundancy in the sense that he

834
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: brings kind of like exactly what the team doesn't have,

835
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: which is a rock solid secondary ball handler next to

836
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: Ant who can really generate shots for his team. But

837
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: they can surround KD with elite super physical defense, which

838
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: is what he hasn't had in these other destinations. And

839
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: also similarly, Nas red not super vertical, Julius Randall not

840
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: super vertical, Rudy Gobert is vertical, but like they, Kevin

841
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: Durant would be a guy at the four spot, different

842
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 4: from Kat last year, different from Nas who brings real

843
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 4: vertical length to the table where you can imagine Jaden McDaniels,

844
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant and Rudy Gobert on the floor together in

845
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: that front line and it's like all arms just everywhere,

846
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 4: and it would just be really, really difficult to handle,

847
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: but it's gonna be really interesting. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful

848
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 4: that we get a pretty quick, like a set of

849
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: action here in late June where we find out where

850
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: all these guys land. But Colin, I sincerely appreciate you

851
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: taking the time to join us tonight. It was good

852
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: to see you, Colin. It was great to see you man,

853
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: great to see you buddy.

854
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Speaker 1: The volume