Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell.
Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man.
Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Solid Rebel boys and girls. My
Speaker 1: name is ty hilden Brandt. You will hear from Dan
Speaker 1: Rubinstein momentarily. This is another clip from College Football Thursdays.
Speaker 1: It's the show we do live every Thursday, five pm
Speaker 1: E's two pm West over on Spotify. This is a
Speaker 1: fun one. We we really had fun with this show,
Speaker 1: almost unexpectedly so. We always enjoyed doing the show, but
Speaker 1: this one just felt right. It felt good. I left
Speaker 1: in the first bit where we talked through news and
Speaker 1: also our tweener game where we talk about tweener teams.
Speaker 1: We had a list that we were going to work off,
Speaker 1: but then just so much activity in the chat, people
Speaker 1: suggesting their own teams. We just tore up the script altogether,
Speaker 1: decided to go with what folks were saying in the chat.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you can make it out next Thursday again five
Speaker 1: pm E's two pm West. If not, here's an excerpt. Enjoy.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon stay solid. Heay what happened?
Speaker 1: So the context that you need to know is that Georgia,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Michigan, and TCU are one through four. Tennessee
Speaker 1: is number five. None of that changed that. None of
Speaker 1: that's any different than it was the last time we spoke.
Speaker 1: What is different though, is that LC slides up a
Speaker 1: spot to six, USC up a spot to seven. Alabama
Speaker 1: still lurking hanging around there a number eight, Clemson at
Speaker 1: number nine, Utah Penn State also move up significantly because
Speaker 1: the Oregon your Oregon Ducks, your Orgon Ducks loss last week.
Speaker 1: They dropped six spots to numerous. Wolf how do you
Speaker 1: say twelve of it? I know how you say German?
Speaker 1: I how you sat in Spanish?
Speaker 3: Eleven is own say yeah today keen sai.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you've got the authentic flair to it as well.
Speaker 1: I like that any I mean, there's no real surprises here.
Speaker 1: I think it's just important to lay that out for everyone.
Speaker 1: The top five could potentially be due for a shakeup here.
Speaker 1: It will be in a matter of weeks. If not
Speaker 1: this week, it's going to happen next week because Ohio
Speaker 1: State and Michigan play Obviously, the Vegas oddsmakers are still
Speaker 1: not taking TCU all that seriously or seriously enough, because
Speaker 1: they're only a three point favorite this week on the
Speaker 1: road at Baylor Tennessee. Seems like it's in prime position
Speaker 1: to move up should somebody in front of them lose.
Speaker 1: But you know, there are some teams here that are
Speaker 1: playing some games over the next couple of weeks that
Speaker 1: we're going to have to discuss on this year program.
Speaker 3: I believe the conference with the most teams in the
Speaker 3: top twenty five with six is America's common diference the
Speaker 3: Pacific twelve Conference, the Conference of Champions.
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 3: I believe, so USC, Oregon, UCLA, Washington, Oregon State in Utah. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's six. I'd six on my fingers.
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't realize they had that many in the
Speaker 1: top twenty five.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, Oregon State has Oregon obviously not this week,
Speaker 3: but next week Utah Oregon is ten versus twelve. And
Speaker 3: it should be noted UCF of course jumped to lane
Speaker 3: and is now the highest rated G five program. So
Speaker 3: on a collision course controlling their own destiny to get
Speaker 3: to a new Year six game, and Gus Malzan would
Speaker 3: be the third straight Knights coach to take UCF to
Speaker 3: a New Year six game.
Speaker 1: My favorite storyline about this playoff ranking, this new batch
Speaker 1: of rankings has nothing to do with the top five,
Speaker 1: the top ten, the top twenty five. It's that the
Speaker 1: committee said, in one collective voice, if it we can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore. With Kentucky, we just, yeah, we can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore. We wanted them to be up there.
Speaker 1: We wanted to give some teams in the SEC another
Speaker 1: quality way, but we just we can't. We can't even correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: has anybody lost? So? Notre Dame is in there.
Speaker 3: At eighteen correct? Two of their three losses are two
Speaker 3: unranked teams.
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 3: Is there anybody else who has both of them or
Speaker 3: two of their three losses to unranked teams.
Speaker 1: I don't know all the tough of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, Okay, No, nothing crazy there. Our two
Speaker 3: teams Penn State Oregon are are Alma maters at eleven
Speaker 3: and twelve. We have a lot of matchups to discuss,
Speaker 3: we have a game to play. Any other news you
Speaker 3: want to get to as it relates to on field happenings.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not on field. Heather Dinich reported on
Speaker 1: a thing that happened at an administrator conference where they
Speaker 1: might consider that there was a proposal that was circulated
Speaker 1: among many college football athletic or college athletic directors about
Speaker 1: potentially naming a COO of college football, kind of like
Speaker 1: a tzar of college football. We've long had this discussion.
Speaker 1: Of course, Oliver Luck is the name that everyone has
Speaker 1: has proposed, has floated since the beginning of time. Whenever
Speaker 1: you mentioned the mere implication of a college footballs are
Speaker 1: over Luck. But COO of college football would be so zag.
Speaker 1: So we'd have an org chart.
Speaker 3: Essentially, we'd have some sort of operating official at the top,
Speaker 3: with presumably conference heads conference commissioners reporting to the operating officer,
Speaker 3: and then underneath that would be a collection of what
Speaker 3: presidents and chancellors, and beneath that athletic directors, and beneath
Speaker 3: all of that tie Michael Mayer would be.
Speaker 1: In charge of He's holding it. He's holding it very dependable.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just Michael Maher and Brock Bauers
Speaker 1: holding the whole thing up. Yeah. Is this I think
Speaker 1: further supports your theory, but collectively our adopted theory that
Speaker 1: college football is scaffolding built on top of more scaffolding.
Speaker 3: Can I give you my pitch as to how the
Speaker 3: future playoffs should be decided and all big decisions in
Speaker 3: college football in the future of the sports should be decided.
Speaker 1: Is it Michael maher arm wrestling brock Bowers.
Speaker 3: That would be great, But no, I think all important
Speaker 3: decisions forget athletic directors and former players and media members
Speaker 3: and computers and formulas and all of the things that
Speaker 3: we've tried. I think there is one solution that I
Speaker 3: think I believe everybody can get behind. We just toss
Speaker 3: it to gene Sterotor to make a decision. He's officiated
Speaker 3: not one, but two major sports.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, he's an.
Speaker 3: NFL official and college basketball. Like, what better person who
Speaker 3: has weighed big personalities and big decisions with the magnifying glass.
Speaker 3: I think we just leave it in the hands of
Speaker 3: Gene Sterrator and back away and whatever he says, be
Speaker 3: it about rules, be it about playoff teams, be it
Speaker 3: about conference realignment, beat about nil. Whatever he says goes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: gene Sterotor. Not a lot of people know this.
Speaker 1: In line to be the next Supreme Court Justice of
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 3: I trust Gene Sterrator implicitly with every major international geopolitical decision.
Speaker 1: I do great head of hair knows how to go
Speaker 1: to the to the monitors and just review, not afraid
Speaker 1: to admit that he was wrong the first time. A
Speaker 1: good demeanor, right, Yeah, I like, Hi, I'm good with Gene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let us know in the chat. If you're good with Gene,
Speaker 1: we can start a I'm with Gene type of thing
Speaker 1: dot com whatever.
Speaker 3: Subject to Gene's Sterrator being milkshake duct, obviously he is
Speaker 3: responsible for anything problematic in his path.
Speaker 1: We passed.
Speaker 2: We do not align with that.
Speaker 1: We do not. We have not done the research on
Speaker 1: this at all.
Speaker 2: Zero due diligence.
Speaker 1: Zero due diligence. That's all I have in new I
Speaker 1: don't I mean, I don't really have anything else in news.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was there was odd not to bring
Speaker 1: the mood down here, but some very sad occurrences at
Speaker 1: Virginia leading to them canceling the game this weekend between
Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina and them, which is just horrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: facts still emerging there. We send our best out to
Speaker 1: the Virginia family. Those effected. Just really tragic stuff. One
Speaker 1: of those things that we have to talk about here
Speaker 1: in the college football world that you know, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to talk about in general. But it is one of
Speaker 1: those points of overlap where you know, it's a crime
Speaker 1: if we don't mention what's going on there. So we
Speaker 1: just want to send our best to the Virginia family.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's been a horrible week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a difficult transition from our silly talk,
Speaker 3: but yeah, this is it's at we We talked about
Speaker 3: it a little bit on the show earlier in the
Speaker 3: week and just looms large over the weekend and weekends
Speaker 3: upcoming just because of how devastating it is as a
Speaker 3: as a piece of news, as an occurrence.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, you mentioned the.
Speaker 3: Virginia Coastal Carolina game canceled, obviously the least important part
Speaker 3: of all of us, but understandable given the uh, the
Speaker 3: emotion and.
Speaker 2: The u the heartbreak that that happened in Charlotte.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm sorry to bring it up. You know,
Speaker 1: I know everyone else don't apologize. I know everyone's here
Speaker 1: to have fun to talk about it. No, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's here to have fun to talk about college football.
Speaker 1: And it's this goofy sport, but sometimes life, yeah, life sucks,
Speaker 1: so well, certainly I have to bring that up as
Speaker 1: an awkward means of transition, all right, yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: please please forgive me, folks. I'm doing my best here
Speaker 1: with this. But we did have a game that we
Speaker 1: wanted to get to. As for the windows of games,
Speaker 1: so normally I play this, all right, I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: it right there. So okay, oh oh, normally we play
Speaker 1: that game, we get everybody jacked up for the week
Speaker 1: ahead of games. Yes, the week ahead of games is
Speaker 1: sort of light. All right, I'm gonna be honest with
Speaker 1: you all, it's a little bit light. We've got games
Speaker 1: that we're gonna go through. We will get excited about
Speaker 1: it because we are mutants and degenerates as it relates
Speaker 1: to college and we will talk through them with you
Speaker 1: because frankly, that's the only reason you're here too, right, correct,
Speaker 1: We are the hive mind of college football degenerates of
Speaker 1: a sort. But before we even get to that, I
Speaker 1: was thinking, hey, this might be a really really shoehorned concept. Again,
Speaker 1: forgive me, but I don't care. I just don't. It's
Speaker 1: week twelve. Do you know any do you have any
Speaker 1: twelve year olds in your life, like a niss or
Speaker 1: a nephew.
Speaker 3: Dan, that's a weird question, Ty, I don't think I
Speaker 3: have any relatives. No, I'm trying to think, do I
Speaker 3: have a niece or nephew that's around. I've got like
Speaker 3: college ish and high school aged cousins. But no, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't care. They're over twenty twelve. I have two
Speaker 1: in my life to a wonderful niece, a wonderful nephew
Speaker 1: who are twelve years old. That is what you'd consider
Speaker 1: the tween age group, I believe, if man research, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and so they're not quite teenagers, but they sort of are.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, okay, well, it's week twelve. The season's
Speaker 1: matured enough Dan to know, at least to some extent
Speaker 1: what teams might be still young enough in the season
Speaker 1: to not know for sure where things might end up
Speaker 1: for some of the teams that we're about to discuss.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you today about which
Speaker 1: of a select group of teams has officially made the
Speaker 1: jump to being one of the big boys up and
Speaker 1: your growns up, and which are which are still growing.
Speaker 2: A big baby. Oh, I like that.
Speaker 1: That's good which group and your growns up? That's from
Speaker 1: Swingers for those wondering. And then this is from song
Speaker 1: is a Big Baby.
Speaker 3: That's the tennis pro. That's Milosh Yeah Melos, Yeah, he wasnis.
Speaker 1: Not good at tennis. Florida State Florida State's seven and three.
Speaker 1: Florida State had a bad start to the year. Last
Speaker 1: year picked it up. This year has had fits and starts,
Speaker 1: but I think generally the kind of theme of the
Speaker 1: season is that Jordan Travis has been really good, that
Speaker 1: Mike Norvell has pulled things together in this I guess
Speaker 1: what year three now that it feels like Florida State
Speaker 1: has the wind at its back, But Florida State, I
Speaker 1: think remains one of those teams that we've really struggled
Speaker 1: with to some extent this season, trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: are they over like the hump in a sense, is
Speaker 1: this going to go well for Mike Norvel moving forward?
Speaker 1: Is he the guy? Is the program healed to the
Speaker 1: point now where it can start to move forward and
Speaker 1: grow and mature, or are they still kind of stuck
Speaker 1: in a sense, are they stuck and unable to mature
Speaker 1: further until something happens. Where are you at with Florida State, Dan.
Speaker 3: I think they've come a good distance from where they
Speaker 3: were earlier in the year. I actually I think I
Speaker 3: think the promotion of Alex Atgins offensive coordinator when they
Speaker 3: lost Kenny Dillingham, was pretty savvy as the offensive line
Speaker 3: clearly has taken a nice step forward this year. And
Speaker 3: then you look at their last three weeks. Georgia Tech
Speaker 3: is not awful. They're not good, but they're not awful.
Speaker 3: They give up sixteen points and they put up forty.
Speaker 3: They demolish Miami on the road giving up three, demolished
Speaker 3: Syracuse on the road giving up three. That is a
Speaker 3: I know Syracuse has its flaws, especially upfront, and obviously
Speaker 3: Miami is a mess. But the fact that Florida State
Speaker 3: is now a team who can pound messes and realized
Speaker 3: in season, and I don't necessarily think it's too late
Speaker 3: because they were going to get Middle eight aided by Clemson.
Speaker 3: Either way, they blew the nc State game that was
Speaker 3: right there, that was the one for the taking. Obviously,
Speaker 3: get a little bit fortunate with the way the LSU
Speaker 3: game worked out, but their realization towards the middle of
Speaker 3: the season that why don't we just lean on Trey
Speaker 3: Benson and that's just going to open up everything for
Speaker 3: Jordan Travis and play action stuff and lean on that
Speaker 3: how a rushing attack. Trey bentson obviously coming off of
Speaker 3: a pretty devastating knee injury last year when he was
Speaker 3: with Oregon before last season, I think it was actually
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty season, and has come back super impressively.
Speaker 3: I think that's uh, that's the story with Florida State,
Speaker 3: the way that they've evolved into that power rushing team
Speaker 3: that has opened things up and the defense getting stop
Speaker 3: after stop after stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're big boys.
Speaker 1: I think they stopping stopping your growths up. I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that one. Yeah. I mean look, I was
Speaker 1: all in on Florida State going ten and two until
Speaker 1: they got lost number three.
Speaker 3: Which was on the table. By the way, it's not
Speaker 3: crazy to say no like this, this could end up
Speaker 3: being a nine and three team that very much looks
Speaker 3: like a ten and two team. The difference between nine
Speaker 3: and three and ten and two is the same for
Speaker 3: Florida State as it is for anybody. Little things pulling
Speaker 3: out winnable games and Florida State. I think if you
Speaker 3: go back and have Florida State play that version of
Speaker 3: NC State now, or even that version of Wake now,
Speaker 3: I think there's a much better shot they're coming out with.
Speaker 1: You know what, Dan, screw my list. I'm not even
Speaker 1: going off my list. We got people in the chat
Speaker 1: here are who are thrown out great suggestions. I was
Speaker 1: going to be controversial and say what about TCU, what
Speaker 1: about but Ken, yes, wonderfully in the chat said what
Speaker 1: about Baylor? What about Baylor? What about the Baylor Bears?
Speaker 1: Right now? I have no idea what to make Baylor.
Speaker 1: I said it on the preview podcast that this team,
Speaker 1: to me remains a bit of an enigma. As it stands,
Speaker 1: there's six and four. Okay, there's six and four per
Speaker 1: the sp plus, which we know and love are are
Speaker 1: our ranking system put out by the father of modern
Speaker 1: college football analytics, Bill Connolly and VSPN dot com SPPLUS
Speaker 1: has him at twenty fifth right now. But if you
Speaker 1: look through the numbers, if you look through the season,
Speaker 1: there have been plenty of moments this season where there's
Speaker 1: a lot to like and then suddenly not a lot
Speaker 1: to like. Case in point, last week they lost by
Speaker 1: twenty at home against k State, right, horrible performance. Horrible.
Speaker 1: Before that, they won three in a row. They outscored Kansas,
Speaker 1: they outscored Texas Tech on the road, and they beat
Speaker 1: Oklahoma on the road by three. So it's been a
Speaker 1: season that's lumpy, is correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: For Baylor. I feel like last season we would have
Speaker 1: said they're all grown up? Where are they at this season?
Speaker 3: I think they're in an awkward phase, So I guess
Speaker 3: that's somewhere in between. They're in what should be an
Speaker 3: awkward phase. They're eighth graders right now, so I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's what thirteen or fourteen years old, so
Speaker 3: they are. They've got some acne, the braces are shining
Speaker 3: a little bit too brightly in front of everybody. Maybe
Speaker 3: they got pants on the playground. I guess that would
Speaker 3: be the Kansas State loss. They're in the awkward phase.
Speaker 3: I think they probably peaked this year with the way
Speaker 3: that they beat Iowa State, which scoring thirty one on
Speaker 3: this Iowa State defense, and they did it on the
Speaker 3: road in a winning efforts a couple of weeks after
Speaker 3: looking pretty listless on offense against BYU and Provo. That's
Speaker 3: probably the high point. I mean, they scored points as
Speaker 3: they should have against Kansas, they scored points as they
Speaker 3: should have at Texas Tech, which is impressive. And beating
Speaker 3: Oklahoma I'm never going to write that off as something
Speaker 3: you should do. And winning that game in Norman it's
Speaker 3: not nothing. And the way that they got those turnovers
Speaker 3: obviously impressive. But week to week they're not ready to
Speaker 3: be fully fully growns up. So whatever that means with
Speaker 3: the revivalry, I think teams are, you know, sort of
Speaker 3: play above their level usually in these types of emotional
Speaker 3: spots and a chance to potentially end TCU's playoff hopes
Speaker 3: this week probably gets that electricity flowing in the Baylor roster.
Speaker 2: But TCUs a way better.
Speaker 1: A big baby, I'm with you, I'm man. This chat
Speaker 1: is like reading the matrix. Dan's flowing. Good lord, we
Speaker 1: got so much going on. Thank you, everybody, keep standing
Speaker 1: them in here. I'm just gonna go off here. List
Speaker 1: Catherine A normal, A normal, so normal. She's of course
Speaker 1: very mud, She's a wonderful person. She will join. I'm
Speaker 1: sure our chat here in a little bit, our stage,
Speaker 1: in a little bit. What I meant to say is
Speaker 1: just a loyal and ardent listener to the Solid Verbal,
Speaker 1: of course, to our college football Thursday show. She posits LSU. Oh, okay, LSU,
Speaker 1: and she basically says in the chat here, I think
Speaker 1: LSU's a tweet er. Fight me if you don't agree.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fight her. I had LSU on
Speaker 1: my list here at eight and two, LSU at number six,
Speaker 1: all the way up to six now right, which is wild.
Speaker 1: But LSU, I think your crowds up and your crowths
Speaker 1: up and your blows up. Okay, I think they have matured.
Speaker 1: They have shown an evolution throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: season that this is a team that is maturing. Now, look,
Speaker 1: do you remember when you got the thirteen, when you
Speaker 1: officially got to being a teenager? Uh yeah, yeah, up
Speaker 1: and down, Lumpy, You were a settle. You weren't fully
Speaker 1: a finished product at that point.
Speaker 3: Now, although there are some some moments where I feel
Speaker 3: thirteen again, but yeah.
Speaker 1: You weren't a finished product at thirteen. When you got
Speaker 1: to be a teenager officially a team, you were not
Speaker 1: a finished product. And I think that is important to
Speaker 1: note as we're going through these teams here. You don't
Speaker 1: got to be a finished product. Bros. Up. We just
Speaker 1: need to know that you're going in the right direction,
Speaker 1: that you're maturing. And it feels to me like LSU
Speaker 1: has Harry Perkins, our boy Harry Perky as we call him.
Speaker 1: I kind of did the half nickname there with Harry Perkins,
Speaker 1: but he clearly is a monster on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. The way Jayden Daniels has put this
Speaker 1: team on his back, maybe not last week, forget about
Speaker 1: last week, but you know, it just feels like this
Speaker 1: team is building towards something more headed, in the right direction,
Speaker 1: and they've matured in a way that I think is
Speaker 1: it makes them now a full fledge grown up for
Speaker 1: the remainder of this season and presumably all the ones
Speaker 1: now under Brian Kelly.
Speaker 3: Winning is better than losing an LSU has won many
Speaker 3: more games than they've lost, and aside from the Tennessee game,
Speaker 3: the manner in which they lost the Florida State game
Speaker 3: is you know, it's well trod territory. But aside from
Speaker 3: that Tennessee game, which Tennessee right now looks to be
Speaker 3: in a really nice position to make the playoff, they've
Speaker 3: beaten teams not as a perfect team, not as a
Speaker 3: fully realized team. But you look at where that roster
Speaker 3: was after last season, with the transfers, with the opt
Speaker 3: out whatever I guess the opt outs would have been before.
Speaker 3: But you look at the injuries and the transfers and
Speaker 3: how they essentially started over with a new coach, new quarterback,
Speaker 3: new coordinators. You could excuse LSU on a certain level
Speaker 3: for losing something winnable because like, look, it's it's your one.
Speaker 3: I know it's LSU. They're going to recruit their balls off.
Speaker 3: Is that's even a phrase. Look, they have a letdown
Speaker 3: spot against Arkansas on the road, they win, They have
Speaker 3: an opportunity to lose the Alabama game or to at
Speaker 3: least keep it going. And what do they say, Let's
Speaker 3: let's put our foot on the gas and let's just
Speaker 3: go for two when the when the time has has struck,
Speaker 3: struck and.
Speaker 2: Stricken to us, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They come back, They go down big to Ole Miss,
Speaker 3: they come back and win big against Ole Miss. So
Speaker 3: this all feels like bonus. This all feels like it's
Speaker 3: extra credit what they're doing right now, because you could
Speaker 3: forgive LSU for looking more like an eight and four
Speaker 3: team in year one, given what they had to replace,
Speaker 3: given the unknown nature of how Jayden Daniels would react
Speaker 3: to that starting job. That they've won the games that
Speaker 3: they've won, they are. It's it's sort of a they're
Speaker 3: they're a growth spurt dunk eighth grader, right, They're just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this isn't who he or she is as a basketball
Speaker 3: player yet, but they can dunk. They got that growth
Speaker 3: spurt out of nowhere. They can dunk, and that's a
Speaker 3: good star and the low block for your middle school.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Oregon State, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about out Illinois. You're the PAC twelve officionado
Speaker 1: among us here Oregon State, what is what is the
Speaker 1: deal with Oregon State? Because well, you did the voice
Speaker 1: crack perfectly? What is the deal with Oregon State? And
Speaker 1: is this program over what we may have thought of
Speaker 1: as the proverbial hump at the start of the season.
Speaker 3: Look, so they start the season beating both teams that
Speaker 3: can clinch Mountain West Championship aspirations the divisions to go
Speaker 3: to the Mountain West Championship game. Good starting point, beat
Speaker 3: them close and kind of demonstrably in the case of
Speaker 3: Boise State, they lose throwing four interceptions. I believe it's
Speaker 3: four to USC by three. They've only lost two good,
Speaker 3: two very good teams USC Utah and Utah wasn't close
Speaker 3: and Washington was late. We had a pick six in
Speaker 3: that game. Oregon State dramatically, it seems, got better on
Speaker 3: defense from where they were last year, especially in the secondary.
Speaker 3: They are a tough out on defense. Throwing into the
Speaker 3: teeth of that Beaver secondary. Hey beb you know Beaver's
Speaker 3: have tea, you know the bucketeet. You know what I'm
Speaker 3: saying time I do. Oregon State doesn't have a passing
Speaker 3: game at the moment with their backup quarterback. They run
Speaker 3: the ball pretty well. They call a really good game
Speaker 3: on offense with Jonathan Smith, and so as for what
Speaker 3: Oregon State's ceiling is with this roster against these teams,
Speaker 3: they are absolutely grown up in the top twenty five.
Speaker 2: As if what number twenty three is that?
Speaker 1: What I said?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, with winnable games to finish out their season,
Speaker 3: and I say games plural. I know they're they're Arizona
Speaker 3: State this weekend in Tempe, and then who knows what
Speaker 3: Oregon's going to look like at quarterback in a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks playing for the Platypus Cup Thanksgiving weekend, so
Speaker 3: I say, absolutely, grown up. Yeah, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: The defense to me has been better than expected, and.
Speaker 1: I feel well, I feel like that was the thing
Speaker 1: that was the proverbial hump, that was the point of
Speaker 1: no return. If they can mature pass wherever, their defense
Speaker 1: was what we thought it would be. I remember we
Speaker 1: did the preseason stuff on Oregon State. We were pretty
Speaker 1: resigned to the fact that, oh, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a terrible defense. You know, you don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about this defense around the wives and children, right like
Speaker 1: its scathed, could be on that level bad. It really
Speaker 1: hasn't been been all right, you know, and it's not
Speaker 1: like shut down quality defense. But it's respectable.
Speaker 3: No, it's respectful because of their pass defense, because because
Speaker 3: you can still push them around up front. But I'm
Speaker 3: looking at some of the advanced numbers that the number
Speaker 3: nine team nationally in terms of preventing explosive plays. They
Speaker 3: have a full on decent pass defense, and that's doing
Speaker 3: large part of the secondary. But they're good in the
Speaker 3: red zone. They get off the field relatively often. They
Speaker 3: force three and outs, which is impressive. They just don't
Speaker 3: have a pass rush and they just don't have the
Speaker 3: bodies up front to consistently stop the run or get
Speaker 3: after the quarter. But all things considered, yes, this is
Speaker 3: this is a tweeter who's pulled into a high school
Speaker 3: class because he or she is too advanced to do
Speaker 3: middle school math.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Andrew with a really good point here in the
Speaker 1: chat saying that Oregon State should have beaten Washington on
Speaker 1: the road. Can't believe Washington got out of that one
Speaker 1: with a win. Yeah, totally, which I think is fair.
Speaker 1: And you know some of the questions that came into
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Speaker 1: of the year or coaches that coaches that in particular
Speaker 1: have been very very good but won't win coach of
Speaker 1: the Year. You can make that case for Klin to
Speaker 1: bor at Washington. Definitely. I think he made that case.
Speaker 1: So Washington's a good team. Washington is an interesting team.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think about LSU at the same time,
Speaker 3: where you can understand they had a bunch of transfers.
Speaker 3: It's year one bringing in a transfer quarterback in the
Speaker 3: same way that LSU did wearing purple. So there's you know,
Speaker 3: some overlap there. But the way that LSU was able
Speaker 3: to to last second pull out a dramatic win over
Speaker 3: Arrival in Alabama not unlike the way Washington went on
Speaker 3: the road. LSU was at home and Washington for the
Speaker 3: most part. Yes, there's an embarrassing loss in there to ASU.
Speaker 3: They should not have lost that game, but they did.
Speaker 3: The defense is not matching what the offensive output is.
Speaker 3: But they won four straight since winning that game, and
Speaker 3: they can finish winning two including the Apple Cup Washington.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're fully realized because of that
Speaker 3: ASU loss, but all the same, they are growing up
Speaker 3: before our eyes.
Speaker 2: How about that