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Speaker 1: of the enlistment of requirements were lowered at that time

425
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Speaker 1: because again it's Vietnam era, and so a lot of

426
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: the enlistees were given a choice of military or jail.

427
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: And with that, you know, the judge given that type

428
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: of sentence, they figured that they would go in the

429
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: navy they thought it might be safer, and so that happened,

430
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of unhappy and disenfranchised black

431
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: sailors who were working in the ship's laundry, working in

432
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: the galleys and below decks, and not not being treated

433
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: fairly in their eyes, and so they they weren't happy.

434
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: As you might imagine, pretty much wide spurt at that time.

435
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: What were those incidents you mentioned that that inspired the novel.

436
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: The incidents that I found in my research largely was

437
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: the Kittie Hawk riot. That was one of the biggest

438
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: ones that took place, and that was in October seventy two,

439
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: but there was four days later there was one on

440
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: the Hassa Yampa that took place as well that was

441
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: kind of um not as widespread or as big, and

442
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: not as publicized, but it's all in the same congressional reports.

443
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: And then the Constellation had a demonstration at which they

444
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: considered kind of an aborted mutiny. And so there was

445
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: also you know, a huge fire on the USS for

446
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: stall in that era UM and the Ranger had sabotage.

447
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: They found paint scrapers and other metal in the gears.

448
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: Uh the r scanny had collisions at sea, and again,

449
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: all of these ships had pretty much wide spread drug

450
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: use because drugs were so available, especially in places like

451
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: the Philippines where a lot of these ships made port visits.

452
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: And then of course, you know, suicide was kind of uh,

453
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: it's always present aboard ship. But then um, the Navy

454
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: also at that time had and they just actually ended

455
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: it recently is the non judicial punishment of bread and

456
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: water to where they could be uh it locked up

457
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: in the brig for three days on nothing but bread

458
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: and water. And of course that happened quite a bit.

459
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: And so again the crew wasn't happy about that. When

460
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: you say race Ryant on the Kiddie Hawk, like, how

461
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: did that go down? Like what actually happened largely as

462
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: as portrayed in the book, Um, one of the black

463
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: sailors was so um upset and so angry that he

464
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: kind of um, he wanted to get just lash out,

465
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: just get revenge, just kind of um, take matters into

466
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: his own hand. In my book, what it was was

467
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: somebody that gave up somebody else's name to get somebody

468
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: in trouble, and it involved the drug ring. So there's

469
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: little bit of the intrigue, you know, I'm largely a

470
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: crime writer, and so I was a little the crime

471
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: writer military writer. They don't know which I am, so

472
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: I'm kind of both. And so with that those two components,

473
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: I found that it was it was more fun for

474
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: me to imagine what it would be like and why

475
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: this one guy would take matters into his own hands

476
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: and instead of igniting the whole race, right, what he

477
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: did was he was just going after one guy, but

478
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: he had his buddies with him, and so his buddies

479
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: kind of they overstepped, and so they kind of escalated things.

480
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: And what happened actually on the Kittie Hawk, which happens

481
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: in the book as well, these black sailors went into

482
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: the white birthing spaces where white sailors were sleep because

483
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: again this is a ship of over over four thousand men,

484
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: and well it was self segregated. The Navy didn't mandate

485
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: that would be segregated, but the black crew segregated themselves

486
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: to the degree where they didn't want uh white authority

487
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: coming down to police them. They wanted to have their

488
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: own separate space. And so again that's that's in the

489
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: book as well. And so the black sailors went into

490
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: the white birthing spaces and just started yanking guys out

491
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: of their racks and just pummeling them. And that kind

492
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: of set off kind of a rolling effect throughout the ship.

493
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: So there's fighting in the passageways, fighting in the birthing areas. Uh.

494
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: And as the as Captain Porter says, uh, he was

495
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: surprised that all of the casualties were white. Wow. And

496
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, how did they eventually get it under control

497
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: on the in the case of the Kitti Hawk and

498
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: in no salvation largely Commander Porter steps up and he

499
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: he was one that was kind of an Uncle Tom

500
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: at the time, where he wasn't really accepted by the

501
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: black crew. And again, out of a crew of of

502
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: over four thousand, there were only three black men. So

503
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: they were a vast minority aboard ship, and they had

504
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: no real chance of succeeding if if the writing continued,

505
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: But the captain also had access to the marine force aboard,

506
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: who was armed and ready to freight fire if if

507
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: need uh. And so in the book it kind of

508
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: comes out that way. But I was trying to think

509
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: of the last part of your question with the how

510
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: they diffused the race riot. I mean, as you said,

511
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: you're you're in a pressure cooker. It's on a ship.

512
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nowhere to go exactly. And largely what

513
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: happened was Commander Porter in No Salvation, he ends up

514
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: ingratiating himself with the crew by giving the black Power salute,

515
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: and that was actually something that took place on on

516
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: the Kittie Hawk as well, and it was too strong

517
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: material not to use. And so he kind of proved

518
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: his blackness, so to speak, by by demonstrating that black

519
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Power salute and then kind of showing that he was

520
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: with them. But he wasn't a separatist in the way

521
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: that it was one side versus the other. He wanted

522
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: them to um demonstrate and convey their their concerns and

523
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: their grievances in a calm and productive way, and that's

524
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: kind of he allied them and was able to do that,

525
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: but also with the threat of with the Marines, so

526
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: it kind of coalesced into calumnists. It's, uh, you know,

527
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: thankfully in a lot of ways, it's such a bygone

528
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: era and there's probably younger people listening to this kind

529
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: of thinking like what the hell. But I mean, you

530
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: also have to consider this was Civil Rights movement era.

531
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: You had all these black people who could not vote,

532
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: could not participate in society, being drafted into the military

533
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: to go fight you know what, many of them considered

534
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: to be the white man's war. Um, And you can't

535
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: necessarily blame them. I mean, in my opinion, if you

536
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: can't vote, but you're being drafted into the military to

537
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: fight in a war, I mean, that's basically slavery. What

538
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: else would you call that? Well, I'm actually confused by

539
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: your not being able to vote. They're all eighteen when

540
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: they get drafted, so they'd be able to vote. Well,

541
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean pre Civil rights era. Well, actually black men

542
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: have had to vote since the eighteen hundreds, right, yeah, yeah, No,

543
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: I just mean that some of the like Jim Crow

544
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Laws and some of the different types of oppression that

545
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: was going on at the oppression, widespread oppression. Absolutely agree

546
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: with the and and also around the time of Rosa

547
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Parks and all that. You know, so certain areas of

548
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: the country not being able to have the same privileges

549
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: privilege that's totally different to the subject, absolutely there. Um. Yeah,

550
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: And so what what inspired you to write a book

551
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: about such a heated topic? I mean, racial tension, especially today,

552
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: is something that we still talk about in this country.

553
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Why was it something that you wanted to tackle? Well,

554
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of for both of those reasons. One is that

555
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: it is such a a topic of discussion today, is

556
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: still an issue which I find interesting forty seven years later.

557
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: But in that time frame, I haven't found a book

558
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: like this. And so again, after discovering the material, I

559
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: did some research, and there were no books of no

560
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: novels about this topic. There are some nonfiction books that

561
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: cover the material. I'm a fiction writer, novelist particularly, and

562
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I I wrote the book I wanted to read and

563
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: that was my angle on it, and and it didn't

564
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: exist before. So so I figured, forty seven years, nobody's

565
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: done it, I'm going to do it because that the

566
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: information and the research was just too compelling. And again,

567
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: having you know, a navy background, I'm no expert by

568
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: any means. I mean, I enlisted eleven years after this

569
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: incident takes place, UM, and I didn't see any racial

570
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: issues aboard ship at all, UM, and so the ground

571
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: that they made in that eleven years was tremendous, and

572
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: so I wanted to UM utilize some of those memories

573
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: as well as the research, and of course being a novelist,

574
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: I use imagination as well, and so I combined all

575
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: three of those elements to make the book my own.

576
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: And it remains to be seen what people think of it.

577
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: It hasn't really come out yet. It will drop Monday,

578
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: and so I'm waiting on some editorial reviews to see

579
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: how it's received. But again, I just wrote the book

580
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to read. At what point did you transition

581
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: from the Navy to becoming a fiction writer. Let's see,

582
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I got out of the Navy in December of eighty nine,

583
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: and I jumped right in to college, and then I

584
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: went through four years of college, you know, being the

585
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: twenty four year old freshman m I graduated at Yeah, yeah,

586
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: that's what you do, right, And then I started my

587
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: first novel that summer. And is that Has that always

588
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: been a dream of yours? Is it something that you

589
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: knew you were going to do post military career? It

590
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: was something that I wanted to do since I was

591
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. When I was in high school, I

592
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: was I had an English class where the assignment was

593
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: to read any novel you wanted and write a report

594
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: about it and as soon as you finished one, you

595
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: had to do another. And so I was reading books

596
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: of my own selection, and I, uh, I never enjoyed

597
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: a class more. Obviously I got an A in it,

598
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: and it just I knew that I was going to

599
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: be a novelist someday, and I thought that was something

600
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: that I would do, you know, when I got older.

601
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: And then I met a novelist, Randy Wayne White. I

602
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you know the name. He's a pretty

603
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: famous Florida crime novelist. And I met him in my

604
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: first year of junior college and we were discussing, you know,

605
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: the writing process, and he says, well, you like to

606
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: be you want to be a writer, you should you

607
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: should study that. And I don't even know that was

608
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: an option that I could study creative writing. I was.

609
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I was all geared up to be a physical therapist

610
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: and so but I found out that I could study

611
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: creative writing. You know, I switched my major immediately and

612
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: I started studying creative writing. And it's been it's been

613
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: that ever since. It's amazing. What are some you mentioned?

614
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: Was that Cold war canoeing? What what was the top

615
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: working new club that was kind of our nickname for

616
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: the Navy at the time. You know, during the Cold War.

617
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, the Navy is the Canoe Club. And so

618
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: I wrote a collection of stories called Cold War New

619
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: Club that feature stories that take place not only during

620
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: my listment but also from nine nine bought up to

621
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: present day, basically with some of the guys who are

622
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: older as veterans. It's really cool. I'm really glad you

623
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: decided to topic tackle this subject because I mean, you

624
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: start mentioning and talking about all these racial issues on

625
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: these ships. Uh at the time, and I didn't know

626
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: anything about it. Like I said, it's it's not very

627
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: widespread knowledge, and it was it was at the time.

628
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: I mean, the research is available online with the New

629
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: York Times, particularly with the newspaper articles and against some

630
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: of the congressional reports. Uh all pre Adam Admiral Zumwaldtz

631
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and uh he he definitely came in and it made

632
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: huge changes. So I think it got not silence, but

633
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of swept under the rug because they wanted to

634
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: move on, make a fresh start. And like I said,

635
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: eleven years later, when I was in, you would never

636
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: have known there were issues. Yeah, it's unreal. I mean

637
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: I remember reading accounts of when the army became integrated

638
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to remember what euro was, but as

639
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Speaker 1: in maybe like the late fifties where they did that,

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Speaker 1: and um, it's just very interesting to read those accounts

641
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Speaker 1: from those times and how quickly things changed, and at

642
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Speaker 1: least from some of the ones I read, when they

643
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: integrated the army, like it wasn't even that big of

644
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: a deal, was like they came back into work and

645
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: life went on exactly. You would have to think that,

646
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: would you know, guys, guys? You know, people are people,

647
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: and so they want to do their job and they

648
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: want to do it well, but they also wanted to

649
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: be be treated respectfully. And that's all you can ask.

650
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Were you able to interview anybody from that time who

651
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: was on one of these ships that experienced these issues,

652
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: not personally, but in a lot of the reference material

653
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: that I used there there were extensive interviews, So I

654
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: got to benefit from that. Awesome, very cool man. I

655
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: think this audience is gonna love it. We we suggest

656
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: they pick it up because they love learning about military

657
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: history and it's cool that you got to fictionalize something

658
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: that actually went on was a big issue at the time.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you something completely unrelated to all this,

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Speaker 1: and the audience isn't in the notes. You don't have

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Speaker 1: the video other than for us, I'm curious about the

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Speaker 1: sports member bil you behind you? Oh man, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Yankees fan. I was. I was born in New York.

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Speaker 1: Uh there's nine miles from the stadium in Mount Vernon,

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Speaker 1: and my father we moved to Florida when I was

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Speaker 1: four years old, but uh, my father raised me Yankees fan.

667
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: You grew up Yankee fan, and I was a little

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Speaker 1: leaguer during the seventy seven and seventy eight World Series years.

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Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, it's been my team since

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Speaker 1: I was you know, born basically, and and so I

671
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: do collect the Yankee memorabially. Absolutely the jersey behind you

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: looks like it's signed by a full team, the two

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Speaker 1: thousand team. Yes, wow, I mean that's got to be

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Speaker 1: worth the time. I don't know the value, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It's priceless to me. It was actually a gift from

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Speaker 1: my mother in law Christmas that year of two thousand

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Speaker 1: and if I remember correctly, because I I mean there

678
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Speaker 1: were so many World Series during that time. The two

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Speaker 1: thousand Yankees world World Series winning team, right, right, that's

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Speaker 1: the Subway Series against the Mets. That's right. I do

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Speaker 1: remember that, and then they dropped two thousand one, obviously

682
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Speaker 1: to the Diamondbacks unfortunately after September eleventh, but yeah, I

683
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Speaker 1: was big. I was at that legendary game after nine

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Speaker 1: eleven where Mike Piazza hit that home run, uh, you

685
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Speaker 1: know for the Mets at home and it was the

686
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: first baseball game back back in New York after nine eleven.

687
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: I was there with my dad, and it's something that's

688
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: still do like documentaries on oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It's actually kind of cool while baseball brought people together,

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Speaker 1: you know, after such a tragedy, was one of those

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Speaker 1: things where people were able to I've seen documentaries about

692
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Speaker 1: people are able to smile at something and wife got

693
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Speaker 1: somewhat back to normal for a lot of people. And

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Speaker 1: it's cool because I mean two thousand one, I was

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Speaker 1: sophomore in high school. You don't realize the impact that

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Speaker 1: this has, but people look back and they're like, yeah,

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00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: New York was able to get back to, you know,

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Speaker 1: just doing normal things at that time, and being there

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00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: it was just a baseball game to me to be honest.

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Speaker 1: At the time, yeah, when you're living it, but when

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: you look back, like everything else, everything it has the

702
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: perspective of time. It just magnifies and that's the beauty

703
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Speaker 1: of it. Awesome, well, great having you on UM once again.

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Speaker 1: The website is Jeffrey Hess dot com and I should

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Speaker 1: spell out Jeffrey because you spell it so I'm used

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Speaker 1: to the j E F f r e y, but

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Speaker 1: your yours is j E F f e r y

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Speaker 1: has dot com at real Jeffrey has on Twitter. UM.

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Speaker 1: Anything else you wanted to get into here, No, I

710
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: think that's great. The book comes out, what did you say, Monday,

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00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: Monday on Memorial Day. Yeah, outstanding, So pick it up.

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00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: A great piece of military history would have fictionalized account

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Speaker 1: by you. And it's been great avenue on. Well, thanks

714
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot. I really appreciate you having me on and

715
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. Man, I would we really

716
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks so much. Yeah, thank you. Great having

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey on. As I said, I wanted to at least

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Speaker 1: reflect on this, uh being you know, the end of

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Speaker 1: me hosting this show with Jack and for me, man,

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00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to believe this has been seven

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00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: years since when Brandon brought me on board, and I've

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00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: seen the show grow in many different ways. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: the amount of guests we've had on I mean, I'll

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00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: never forget I will always have with me that I

725
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: got to interview everyone from Buzz Aldrin to Rob O'Neill uh,

726
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: to even some controversial guests like General General Flint I'm

727
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: thinking of yeah, uh and and Roger Stone. I mean,

728
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: it's like like just a great list of guests here,

729
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: But even more importantly is just the fans of this show.

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Speaker 1: At first, when I was abroad on board, it was

731
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Speaker 1: a little bit rough because I just this is not

732
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Speaker 1: completely my whole world. And I feel like I got

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Speaker 1: um at a certain point excepted into it with you know,

734
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: wide open arms and everything from both the people that

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Speaker 1: we've had on the show that I've become friends with,

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Speaker 1: like Chris Baranto and Quinn Emerson. Um. But then even

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Speaker 1: I would say, more importantly, the fans of the show.

738
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Speaker 1: And the first time I really realized that was the

739
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: first shot show I went to, and it's the first

740
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: time I've certainly ever felt like the closest thing to

741
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Speaker 1: a celebrity is We're at the top of the House

742
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: of Blues room at the Mandalis Bay and people are

743
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: like hey and love the show and and it made

744
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: me realize that this thing is so much bigger than I. Uh.

745
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: Then then I felt like it was in my head.

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Speaker 1: And then I remember even in the years that followed,

747
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: like while we're in Vegas, this is like the time

748
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: a year where it happens. I went to go, uh

749
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: to the Apple Store. I had to go do something

750
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: for Brandon, and someone just hears me talking to an

751
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: employer there and they're like, hey, you're in from Software Radio.

752
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: And then I went to a show totally off the

753
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: strip to go see Since City Centers, which has the

754
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: guitars from Faster Pussycat. You guys know, that's like my

755
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: whole world outside of this is into like that era

756
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: of rock music. And I'm not even talking. I'm there

757
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: by myself and two guys behind you were like, hey,

758
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: you're in from Soccware Radio, right, And ended up sharing

759
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, a cab with them and talking to them

760
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: about the show. And then there's even been an incidence

761
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: here in New York City where people recognize my voice

762
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: on the phone with my dad and you know, they're like,

763
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: I know you from the podcast, and it's just it's

764
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: it's so awesome to me. The response that I've got

765
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: of people that are kind of sad to see me

766
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: moving on to different things, but I'm I'm always around

767
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: if you know, anybody wants to have me on to

768
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: discuss this type of stuff. But I really greatly appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I I can't state it um highly enough. I really

770
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Speaker 1: just appreciate the respe mounts that I've gotten from people,

771
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: and they're seeing the reviews and seeing what this means

772
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: to people, and that there's guys who have listened to

773
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: the show and then went onto the military. It was

774
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: like an inspiration for them, Guys who listened to the

775
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: show while they're working out, which I'll never forget because

776
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: I listen to music when I'm working out. This would

777
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: not this would not like motivate me and pump me up.

778
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Speaker 1: But I mean, I am just a fan of the

779
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: medium of podcasting, and I know what like the podcast

780
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: I listened to me and to me, and so for

781
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: other people to have that same feeling listening to this, it's, uh,

782
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: it's remarkable and I love doing this and I actually

783
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: think just in my opinion, some of the more recent

784
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: shows we've had are some of the best shows in

785
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: the entire nearly five episodes of this whole thing. So

786
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I do feel like I'm going out on top in

787
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, the show hasn't like fizzled out

788
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: or anything. We've had some just really excellent shows. I

789
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: look back on the interviews with dal Comstock recently, which

790
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: was amazing, the last interview with Remy. I listened to

791
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: the one with Remy last night and I was just

792
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: curious how came out and how it sounded, and I mean,

793
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, I think we tackled a great deal

794
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: of issues with him, and I think Dennis is gonna

795
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: be great coming on board here. So I'm going to

796
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: continue to do some stuff in the voice over field,

797
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: and like I said, I don't rule out working with

798
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: Jack on some outside projects and things like that if

799
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: if something comes up that I think is worth doing.

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00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: But it's just crazy because I've said it on the

801
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: show before, but I've never been a history of buffer

802
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: a military nerd. I wasn't someone who like read all

803
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: these books of you know, the guys that the books

804
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: that you guys look up to like Dick Morsinko and

805
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: Karl's Hathcock and all that. Like I I didn't even

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00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: know about these guys until I was on board here,

807
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: and it just kind of happened that I ran into

808
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: you guys from my old gig, and so there was

809
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: definitely a huge learning curve when I came on board,

810
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: and I had a handful of friends in the military,

811
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Speaker 1: some of whom you've met. But now it's like, I

812
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: know dozens upon dozens of guys in the military where

813
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: if I visit their state, they're down to with me

814
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: and grab lunch and shoot the ship and it it.

815
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: It's just awesome. It's great guys to know, and a

816
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: lot of them have become guys that I consider friends,

817
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, like you so super cool man. Um. You know,

818
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I think you're right that the podcast is better than

819
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: it's ever been in the past. And I mean you

820
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: took it from uh it was literally I mean just

821
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: to like rewind way back to the day, uh way back.

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was like me on my laptop over

823
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: Skype and like some dude like recording it on his computer,

824
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and we went from that to where it

825
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: is today. We started getting bigger and bigger guests more

826
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Speaker 1: and more like exclusive interviews with people that are very

827
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: difficult to track down and get and get to come on.

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00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: Um and I'm so, I mean, I really think you

829
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: took this podcast from what most podcasts are, just some dude,

830
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, recording in his garage, which was cool, and

831
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: like professionalized it and really turned it into something, um,

832
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: you know that can be presented to a large audience

833
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: that has a lot of appeal that the quality is

834
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: very high. I um, and it shows. I mean you

835
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: have these people like Brad Thor when they come through

836
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: and they do their tour, they want to come on

837
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Yeah. I think it's because you know,

838
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: you built it up to that level. Um. Now that

839
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: this thing it gets like what I backed, between fifty

840
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: and seventy thousand lessons, it's actually more lately it's been

841
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: like a hundred thousand. Like that's I don't even know

842
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: what to say about that, because like I don't know

843
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to fact check that. By the way,

844
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: it's because sound Glad you can see the listeners on there.

845
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: But then um, we have internal listons because of the

846
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: app is the website and sometimes it doubles when well

847
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: SoundCloud actually tracks everything except for the internal stuff. But

848
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Speaker 1: I mean the numbers are huge, So what does that mean?

849
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Speaker 1: I mean, like you're talking about walking around Las Vegas,

850
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Speaker 1: people recognize your voice, Like what does that mean? You

851
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: you have seventy or a hundred thousand people listening to

852
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: your podcast. I mean it has it's a wide reach.

853
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: I think of how big that is, Like I think

854
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: of the venue. It's like, wow, we're speaking to Like

855
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: that's a lot of psychology of at times. Yeah, it's

856
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me because neither of us are celebrities

857
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: or anything. I mean, meanwhile, you're you know, doing CNA.

858
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: I might be Internet famous. I don't know, like what

859
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: the what the gauges of Internet famous? Like not neither

860
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: of us are Tommy Laren or you know, yeah, I'm

861
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: not gonna not Kim Kardashian. Yeah. But nonetheless, I mean

862
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: I think you know, you worked really hard on this podcast.

863
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean we both did, and you worked harder on

864
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: it because this is your full time job, is doing

865
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: the podcast, um and built it up into something that

866
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: matters to a lot of people. And you know, I'm

867
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: proud of the podcast because because because of the content

868
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: and because I think that when you listen to this,

869
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: you get something you don't get on other podcasts, Like

870
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: if you listen to UM, you know, there's all these

871
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: like anti war podcasts out there, people who just hate

872
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: the military and hate America. And then there's all these

873
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: others that are like very patriotic and they're just waving

874
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: the flag and they just want to say support the troops.

875
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: But this is this is something different and Nique. When

876
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast, you get the good, the bad,

877
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: and the ugly. You know, we don't try to sugarcoat

878
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: it for people. And UM, that's really important to me

879
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: because I know there are so many um, younger folks

880
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: out there who listen to this and they are thinking

881
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: about joining the military, and I don't want to blow

882
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: smoke up their ass, like I want them to know

883
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: the truth and you know they go in with their

884
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: eyes open. Um. Yeah, I think integrity is very important

885
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: to both of us in terms of who we want

886
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: on the show, what we want to portray on the show.

887
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: And we don't pre screen our our guests, like it's

888
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: all in the moment, you know, like, yeah, there's been guests.

889
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: Actually I will say I don't think I've ever mentioned

890
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but it will say, can you

891
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: send me questions in advance of what we're gonna talk about?

892
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Could you know? And I just always say like, no,

893
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: it's not really what we do, Like, well, I'll give

894
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: you the gist, like you know, like jeff came on,

895
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: Jeffrey came on today, We're gonna talk about your book.

896
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: That's the topic, right, But we don't we don't give

897
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: them questions or we don't we don't like pre screen

898
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: them to see what their views are before. So it's

899
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: all raw. It's what you think in that what you

900
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: say in that moment um. So yeah, I'm really proud

901
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: of that, but that I'm proud of the content. But

902
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: you also work on like the back end and the

903
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: logistics and the technical aspect of it and scheduling all

904
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: the guests, and you have to put up with my

905
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: bullshit too because I'm like, oh yeah, and I don't

906
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: think I can make it in today. Uh, you know,

907
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: dealing with all of that and that all plays a

908
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: big part of making a professional production. Yeah, and and

909
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: even just the people who whose voice you here on

910
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: the podcast too. I don't really mention, but like Kara O'Brien,

911
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: who does the intro um, you know, and the outro

912
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: and those those voices that you hear on here. Uh yeah, No,

913
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: I think we really put together a really professional product.

914
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: And as I said, I think integrity has been a

915
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: really big part of doing this and that a lot

916
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: of other outlets want to put some image out there,

917
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: and for us, it's always been about getting the truth

918
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: out there, um, whether it's stuff people want to hear

919
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear. And we'd probably have a

920
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: bigger audience if we did a podcast that was like

921
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: something that you hear on Fox News or you know,

922
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: now The Blaze or as you said, there's probably a

923
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: market for these liberal, woke vet podcasts and we are

924
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: neither of those. And I'm proud that we We've always

925
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: been neither of those. And we always let people say

926
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: what they want to say. I mean, if you listen

927
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: back to the episode with Jake's wig, it was completely

928
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: different view of view of Eddie Gallagher and what we've

929
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: always felt like, that's okay. We let people say what

930
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: they want here. We're not We're not trying to put

931
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: forth a certain message and you know, what's funny. It's

932
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: like what we've been able to do this without having

933
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: the typical split screen debate of things. And and I

934
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: mean we've really kept a professional in the entire history

935
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: of the show that you've never heard, like you and

936
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: I have some huge on air fight or anything. You know,

937
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: We've we've had like heated discussions on things. But but

938
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: I feel like at least I've done my best, and

939
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: I think you have to, Like I come in here

940
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: and I try to turn it on every time, no

941
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: matter what is going on in my personal life. I

942
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: want to make sure that like we get a great

943
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: interview out of these people, and that that you guys

944
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: learned something, uh, because I realized for a lot of people,

945
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: like this is a highlight of their week while they're commuting,

946
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: while they're at the gym or wherever they listen, this

947
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: is something they look forward to every Wednesday and Friday.

948
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: And I don't want to let those people down, and

949
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: I hopefully have not. It was really and it is

950
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: really important to me that we don't pander, that we're

951
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: not just hot dog in it, you know, for a

952
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: certain you know, demographic, like like you said, telling people

953
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: what they want to hear UM, and it was also

954
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: important that we respect the audiences intelligence. Uh. There's a

955
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: lot of media out there where, you know, you have

956
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: these pundits who are screaming at people and they're telling

957
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: you what to believe. And I never wanted to do that.

958
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: I just want to present information. And I mean, I

959
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: we give our opinions at times, but I don't I'm

960
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: not interested in telling people what they what they should believe.

961
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: I want you to think about what we're talking about

962
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: and you, you know, come to your own conclusions about that. UM.

963
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: And I think we accomplished that for the most part. Yeah,

964
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I agree, men, And I guess if I could end

965
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: it on anything, it's been awesome working with you in

966
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: the past seven years. It's I'll definitely be seen seeing

967
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: Jack agains. It's not like we're far and I'm sure

968
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: we'll end up working together on something somewhere. I I

969
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: genuinely think we will, and I think a lot of

970
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: this audience will check it out if we do. UM.

971
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: But everything that you've done, from your writing at the

972
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: site to some of the guests that you've tracked down

973
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: who no one has ever heard from, like these guys

974
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: like Mike Vining, It's always impressed me your knowledge of

975
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: military history, your knowledge of the special operations UM events

976
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: in history. As Jim West said, Like Jim was a

977
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: guy and he's talked about it many times in the

978
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: show who didn't want to open up to people, and

979
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: then when he heard your knowledge of the special operations world,

980
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: he was able to get comfortable with you. And I

981
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: think that's happened with a lot of guys in the show.

982
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think DL Comstock, after all the

983
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: fire that he was under for what went down, um

984
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: the contracting he was doing, would be comfortable going on

985
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: many media outlets. But he knows that you're not going

986
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: to try to pull something out of him that he's

987
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: not come talking about. And I think that's why we've

988
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: got we've gotten the interviews that we have. Well, I

989
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: will ask the question, but it's up to you how

990
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: you want to answer it. Yeah, but I think people

991
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: are able to come on here and no, we're not

992
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: going to like slickly edit something to you know, we

993
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: do edit the podcast at times, but it's just in

994
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: terms of because we're it's dead air, like we're looking

995
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: at each other like yeah, things like that. I mean,

996
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: if if a guest says something they're not you know,

997
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: comfortable getting out there, they always have you know, that

998
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: relationship with us said hey can you take this out there?

999
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: Rarely happens, But I just mean, we're not trying. We're

1000
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: not like a quick baity type of side. And I

1001
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: think I think that is partially why you know, we've

1002
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of these people to come on the

1003
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: podcast because they know that, you know, I'm not going

1004
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: to try to shout them down or Ian's not gonna

1005
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: like edit their answers and manipulate it and make it

1006
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: sound like they said something they didn't um which more

1007
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: and more in this in this age, we've seen where

1008
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: guys take their cell phones into an interview and they

1009
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: record it, and then what what comes out final product?

1010
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: You know that that some TV producer just chopped the

1011
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: ship out of the interview and makes it sound like

1012
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: I um uh, you know, like crazy stuff like that,

1013
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: and then when the full interview is published or you

1014
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: hear it, it's like, WHOA, we didn't say that at all. Yeah,

1015
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: if anybody comes off either good or bad on the podcast,

1016
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: it's always of what you know of what they actually said,

1017
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: we don't paying anybody into a picture or try to

1018
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: make you feel a certain way about them. Like a

1019
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: lot of people really didn't like when we had on

1020
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: that libertarian presidential Canada. I can't remember his name, Austin Peterson,

1021
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: you know. And it wasn't due to anything we said.

1022
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: People thought that we asked him certain questions and he

1023
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: came off kind of pompous about things. If I remember correctly,

1024
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: he's the one who um said when I asked about

1025
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: a border patrol issue that he was like, well, that's

1026
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: why we have the Second Amendment. And I was like,

1027
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: well we should have, you know, citizens at the border,

1028
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: like shooting illegal you know. And and it's if people

1029
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: didn't like the way someone comes off, it's never because

1030
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: of something we did. I feel like like we let

1031
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: people come on here and get their message across and

1032
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: it's up to the audience if they like it or

1033
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: not yea, and they can answer the way they want.

1034
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: And I've noticed sometimes too with listeners, sometimes they get

1035
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: upset because we haven't told them what to believe. It's

1036
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: not it's not all the listeners, of course, but once

1037
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: in a while someone comes to it's like you got

1038
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: to take a side on this, and it's like, well, yeah,

1039
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean I can take a side, but I mean

1040
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: it's also about the guests, like giving their point of view.

1041
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of the guests we

1042
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: have come with experiences and expertise in firsthand knowledge that

1043
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: it's important to hear their side of things. And I

1044
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: don't I mean me personally, I wouldn't want to listen

1045
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: to a podcast that it's like just the opinion of

1046
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: Jack Murphy for an hour and a half. Like I

1047
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to listen to that, and I am Jack.

1048
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: And also, I mean you guys who have listened to

1049
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: the podcast for a long time have seen, you know,

1050
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: people come and go in the hosting roles and we've

1051
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: we would have various writers from the site host the

1052
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: show at times. And it's like, to me, at least

1053
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: these past couple of years, like the consistency of you

1054
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: and I has just been perfect. I don't think you

1055
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: could ever like replicate that chemistry that we have, uh

1056
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: where you know, we don't always agree on everything, but

1057
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: we're always having able to have, like I think, a

1058
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: good discussion about stuff, and that's hard to come by.

1059
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean, people sometimes think that you can just put

1060
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: people together for a podcast it's gonna work, and it's

1061
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: not always gonna work. And a lot of the times

1062
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: as like, as you know, Dennis is always like this

1063
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: in fighting, which when you team people up his host

1064
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: I was watching that. You probably sawt the Mike and

1065
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: the Mad Dog on ESPN and and I loved it too,

1066
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: But those guys were fighting over like the most childish things,

1067
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't like the second they go to break,

1068
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: they wouldn't speak to each other, and it's what broke

1069
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: the show up, you know, Like I I was like,

1070
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: this is so silly that these guys were like, these

1071
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: high paid radio hosts for the biggest sports station are

1072
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: gonna let these small things like break? Got this great

1073
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: show they have? I mean, they played the thing on

1074
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: that ESPN documentary of when Mike was on vacation. Instead

1075
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: of the Mike and the med Doug theme, he took

1076
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: out the Mike and it was like a fun thing

1077
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: as a joke, and Mi Mike came back furious that

1078
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: he changed the theme song, and it's like, come on,

1079
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: is this really that big of a deal for you know,

1080
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: these guys who were being paid millions to speak on air,

1081
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: but for them, like this ship was very important to them,

1082
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: and it's like it's these little things that broke up

1083
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: the show. And you and I have never had, honestly

1084
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: any issue where we've really gotten Man. Maybe it's because

1085
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: we only record this twice a week. Maybe if we're

1086
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: in the studio four hours a day, five days out

1087
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: of the week. I mean, I could tell you what

1088
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: that Orange County Choppers meme where he throws the chair

1089
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: at the guy. I haven't seen that, but yeah, you've

1090
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: seen it. You've definitely seen it. Yeah, I mean I

1091
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: could tell you just from working in radio sometimes, like

1092
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: it's unlike any other job because if you don't get

1093
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: along with someone that you're in the studio with, which

1094
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: has happened to me, it's not like another job where

1095
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I could just avoid the person talk

1096
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: to other guys. A lot of times you were stuck

1097
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: in a control room or in a studio with this

1098
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: person four hours out of the day, and you gotta

1099
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get along. You're gonna have

1100
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: to work with this person. And a lot of in there,

1101
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it too, is uh, not with this podcast,

1102
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: but in other other avenues of you can say, you

1103
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: can say no, no no, no, no, I'll get you. And

1104
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: I have talked about the soft air where you know,

1105
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: let's let's say you too likely because you guys had

1106
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: a beef and it's not the case at all, but

1107
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: let's say on air, you know I would it would

1108
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: be I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't

1109
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: egg that on like it makes good. So people like,

1110
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: you know, you made hate. You might hate the guy

1111
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: you're working with, but then somebody else, like the third person,

1112
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: me or whoever else, Brandon, whoever works within this show,

1113
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: is gonna egg it on to try and get a

1114
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: bigger reaction to for click baby headlines. And that's not

1115
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: what you guys are about, and we never have because

1116
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: I always feel like the focus has been on the

1117
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: guest more than like in or turmoil with you know,

1118
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: the company, or drama or anything like that. But I

1119
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: know what you mean because I was just listening to

1120
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: the Howard Howard Sterns show that ended on I don't know,

1121
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: if you know, like a bit of a cliffhanger with

1122
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Benji Brown coming to the studio late again, did you

1123
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: hear that? And Howard being like dude, this has happened

1124
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: this so many times, Like I don't think you're gonna

1125
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: have a job anymore, and and I don't know if

1126
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna be back, Like I'm curious about this whole

1127
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: thing now because Benji gonna no longer be on the show,

1128
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: and uh that that stuff does make for great radio,

1129
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: Like I'd rather listen to them talking about Benji being late.

1130
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: That's like a great celebrity interview on that show. It's

1131
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: just the way it is, like because you because you

1132
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: grow with the characters. And I'm sure a lot of

1133
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: I would say, almost all of these listeners are gonna

1134
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: miss you immensely. I mean, in my this is now

1135
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: the fourth show that I've been a part of. I'm

1136
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna miss you like you were instrumental in coaching me

1137
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: along here I was saying earlier. I mean me and

1138
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: Ian are so close that we double up in the

1139
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: urinal and I know that. I noticed that. I went

1140
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: in to go and I was like, oh, they're having

1141
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: them all. Yeah, I gotta hopefully we get there one day, Jack, Well,

1142
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: we will, we will will take time. We got the

1143
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: Irish power going on. It's not a good thing, do

1144
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: you like to drink. Why do you think half that

1145
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,479
Speaker 1: that wasn't Dave Richardson. Dave Richardson loved that, by the way.

1146
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: That was the first thing you said when he came in.

1147
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: The hibiki. That's the hibiki is like Brandon's thing, but

1148
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a while. But it's an

1149
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: ethnic predisposition, a gift and a curse. Yeah, it's it's

1150
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: both the cause and the solution of all my problems.

1151
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 1: Well with that, man, uh, I'm sure there'll be other

1152
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: things in the future for me. I I'm doing, like

1153
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of voice over stuff. Now. I

1154
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: know you're thinking male prostitution. Uh no, so I'm doing that.

1155
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: I actually am also looking to, um wow, take this course.

1156
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: And I hate seeing the word Alma mater. I think

1157
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: it sounds so douche. But the college I went to

1158
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: I've been looking into. They have a certification for personal

1159
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 1: training there over the summer, which is something I've wanted

1160
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: to do for years. I'm going to do that as well.

1161
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: Um So, I'm not immediately doing anything again in podcasting

1162
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: a radio, but like, if a great opportunity comes along.

1163
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: I I mean, I've been doing broadcasting since two thousand six,

1164
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: like it's been a long time and in a lot

1165
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: of ways, UM, kind of excited to take on other

1166
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: challenges and that's why I'm doing this. And you know,

1167
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: on some level, I mentioned the quote on a recent podcast,

1168
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: but I'm always inspired by different things that I read

1169
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: in different musicians that I read about that that's always

1170
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: been a topic of mine that I love. And I

1171
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: mentioned how Cannabis the rapper, when he was not necessarily

1172
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: the height of his career, but his career was still

1173
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: going very well, decided to when listen to the Army

1174
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: and in an interview they asked him like, why would

1175
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: you do this? You're like this big name New York rapper,

1176
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: and he just said, like, this is what's defined my

1177
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: life since adolescence, is rapping. He's like, I want my

1178
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: life to be defined by different things. I don't want

1179
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: to be stuck into like one box. And I feel

1180
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: the same way. I would love to do bigger things

1181
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: than I've already done with voiceover and things with my

1182
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: love of fitness. Um, but this is something I I've

1183
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: naturally gravitated to, is doing radio, doing podcasting. So I

1184
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: do think at some point I will get back to this.

1185
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: It just has to be the right situation. Um. I'm

1186
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: not like looking to go just board up another show

1187
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: right now and produce another show and in the future possibly,

1188
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: but unless something comes along right now that I'm really

1189
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: passionate about, I'm looking to like explore other avenues. And

1190
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, I know for you, you you know you are

1191
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: into doing this as well as being a writer. Is

1192
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: what in terms of like a um investigative journalist, but

1193
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: then also writing your memoir and doing things. I think

1194
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: just part of life is challenging yourself to do new

1195
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: things and I haven't done that in a why. I

1196
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: think it's also just part of the modern economy, Like

1197
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: unless you have a real career, like you're an engineer

1198
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: or a doctor or something like, you have to know

1199
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: how to do ten different things. Oh yeah, all these

1200
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: people who are like big names on YouTube, I realized,

1201
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: like they're not just people who know the ins and

1202
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: outs of of being a broadcaster and the um you

1203
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: know how to do like a mic break here and

1204
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: and format at. It's like all these people they know

1205
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: like video editing. I don't really know video editing. And

1206
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: even the big ones they the I mean they say

1207
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: themselves are like, you're crazy if you quit your job

1208
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: and just be like a full time to YouTuber. It's

1209
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: weird though, because I quit what was like a more

1210
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: stable career. It's serious to be a full time podcaster,

1211
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: and somehow it worked, and like I'm very proud of

1212
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: the fact that it worked. Like my whole I said

1213
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: this and what I wrote on Twitter if you guys

1214
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: saw on Facebook, but like my whole thing of what

1215
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: I was young and what I wanted to do. I

1216
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: just wanted to avoid having to put in a suit

1217
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: and tie every day and get like a quote air

1218
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: quotes real job. And somehow I'm there. I'm about to

1219
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: be thirty three years old and I've never had like

1220
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: a what people consider a real job, and I'm really

1221
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: proud of that fact. Yeah. It's like my wife is like,

1222
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: why don't you dress like an adult, like have like

1223
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: a sports coat and something, honey, Like, if I wanted

1224
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: to do that, I would have chosen a totally different

1225
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: path in life. I would have gotten a real job

1226
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: and like gone and worked in an office and I'd

1227
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: be like one of these hedge fund bros, Like what's

1228
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: the point of doing this job if you can't like

1229
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: sit in your home or in your pajama is writing

1230
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: at your computer? Like what what? I I asked Ian

1231
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: before the show. We're prepping and I was like, hey,

1232
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: do you wear shorts in the summer? And he was

1233
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like, okay, good. The last thing

1234
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: you want to do is come in New York City sweat. Yeah. Yeah.

1235
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: No one here has given me crap about any of that.

1236
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Uh yeah that That's always been what I've wanted to do,

1237
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: is just to kind of do my own thing. And

1238
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, and that's obviously not to uh take shots

1239
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: at anyone who listened to this podcast who took another

1240
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: path in life. I mean, I think we all have

1241
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: different things that we're passionate about. And if you're the

1242
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: job that you're not passionate about, you could always pursue

1243
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: things on the side that you are. And I was

1244
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: doing that at one time by doing my own podcast.

1245
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: And you know, if this inspires you to do your

1246
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: own thing. A lot of people have said to me,

1247
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start my own podcast. The problem is that

1248
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people who say I'm gonna

1249
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: start a podcast, and then a year later they're still

1250
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: thinking of starting with a lot of things. Yeah, and

1251
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people. If you're thinking of you know,

1252
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: if this podcast makes you want to write a book,

1253
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: start a podcast, No one's gonna like hold your hand

1254
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: through it. Fucking do it. Man. Uh, whatever it is

1255
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: that you're passionate about, take the leap. And you know,

1256
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: even if it's something on the side of your nine

1257
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: to five job, if it's something that's calling you, go

1258
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: out and do it. That's my inspiration for you as

1259
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: I am this. Uh last thing is you know, I

1260
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: will get the reads out of the way here because

1261
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: I do always feel we got to promote what we're

1262
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: doing here in Hurricane groups, So this will be my

1263
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,120
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