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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. Holy Moly, son of a Biscuit, it's

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Speaker 1: time for the well. I do love when benzos son

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Speaker 1: of a biscuit. Oh, it's so safe. It's just so safe.

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Speaker 1: And now that it's became a routine life, I can say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Almost Famous podcast. Ashley. How are you holding up?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? I know, Uh, life for you

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Speaker 1: has been wild because yes, we just got back from Tahoe.

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Speaker 1: This week can be easy as a mom leaving for

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Speaker 1: I mean, what were you go on? Like two and

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Speaker 1: a half days. But even then coming back, it's not

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Speaker 1: even It wasn't even forty eight hours. Really, Oh it

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Speaker 1: was actually fourty eight hours after I landed, but I

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Speaker 1: wasn't in Tahoe for a full forty eight hours. Okay,

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Speaker 1: was it hard? That's a question I want to ask.

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Speaker 1: And you got back now, I know you've you've been

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Speaker 1: gone just a few times, But does it get difficult leaving? Um?

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Speaker 1: I get really anxious, like my anxiety spikes, but I

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Speaker 1: also at the same time, I feel like so alive

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Speaker 1: and free and I am like so chatty. I was

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Speaker 1: making jokes with everybody in Tahoe that like, I have

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Speaker 1: never talked that much of my life because I'm home

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Speaker 1: alone with a baby all day and I do talk

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Speaker 1: to Dawson in an adult voice a lot. But it's

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Speaker 1: just really nice to not be around crying for like

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours. And I just like, no, it's really

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Speaker 1: good for my soul. I'm about the same time, like

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Speaker 1: I have like some mad anxiety. Like Jared had his

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Speaker 1: dad take Dawson in his car, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: your dad needs to take the Yukon. He needs to

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Speaker 1: be in the Yukon, and like I just want the

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Speaker 1: car the way to Ford's house, like literally, like I

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Speaker 1: have like those kind of triggers, like I started crying

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Speaker 1: because I wanted the kid like in a certain vehicle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. I will say this, Actually, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it makes you feel better or worse. One

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Speaker 1: of the best things my parents did for me was

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Speaker 1: they were good at like going on trips together, and

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Speaker 1: friend for just a few days. It wasn't like they

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Speaker 1: as I got older, become more comfortable being away and

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Speaker 1: not being so homesick because I think I have it

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Speaker 1: this up because that's so timely in my life right now.

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Speaker 1: So my best friends getting married in Italy in September,

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Speaker 1: and the plan the entire time has been to bring Dawson,

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Speaker 1: make it sort of a family vacation. My parents are invited,

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Speaker 1: and it's my sister and my best friend, like it's

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Speaker 1: coming out. The plan was hopefully it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: like the six of us in Italy for a whole week,

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Speaker 1: and my dad has been so reluctant to go, which

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Speaker 1: is like a whole weird thing. He just my dad, like,

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Speaker 1: doesn't I feel like he's on vacation unless he's chilling

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is like so insane. Our dog

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Speaker 1: he will like he's so concerned about leaving her for

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Speaker 1: a whole other reason why he doesn't want to leave.

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Speaker 1: He legitimately has not been on vacation since he got

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Speaker 1: I've really been thinking, like, should I keep dawstin with

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Speaker 1: my parents because which they've offered and they'd love to do,

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Speaker 1: or in like that way, Jared and I can go

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Speaker 1: on a vacation the two of us, like five days

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Speaker 1: have like a whimsical little experience like we probably need that.

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Speaker 1: their health. I think you give him what he wants.

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Speaker 1: Jared go have an incredible time together because you are

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Speaker 1: the two most important people in your in each other's lives.

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Speaker 1: not going to be to the benefit of Dawson. So

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Speaker 1: It's not like Dawson's ever gonna feel neglected or pushed

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Speaker 1: that I appreciate. So that's my two cents. My two

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Speaker 1: have a little break, all right, Ashley's time for Bachelor Headlines.

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Speaker 1: Listeners listen up. Amanda Cyford reveals her favorite reality show,

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Speaker 1: Guilty Pleasure. This according to Parade, this was a it

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Speaker 1: was a video interview that I've been tagged in a

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Speaker 1: But now she's obviously talking about it, and I knew

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Speaker 1: onto other headlines. This is about a Bachelor Nation alumni

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Speaker 1: such a difficult time. It was beautiful to see these

427
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: people who have known separately throughout my life fall in

428
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: love with each other. It's doesn't like Dirk's Bidley have

429
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: a song like drunk on a plane, Get drunk on

430
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: a plane. This is getting drunk on a plane. That's

431
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: what I would do that, But getting drunk on a plane.

432
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: I feel like he was totally dropped at the altar.

433
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: I feel like Jacqueline, I'm also just making up drama here.

434
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: I feel like she might have been the one to

435
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: call this off. Well, yeah, I don't think you have

436
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: the I don't think you go to Portugal unless you

437
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: were the one making this decision. That would just be

438
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: my guest. Maybe maybe, But we can have a back

439
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: on and talk about it. Well, this sounds very under

440
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: the Tuscan sun as well. Yeah it does. Yeah, you're right. Uh.

441
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Former Bachelor at Michelle Young says she's happier. Yes, this

442
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: is a quote happier after Nate split. This according to people,

443
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: So this is not her only Instagram post post split

444
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: from Nate, but it is the first one we got

445
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: where she like kind of like updated people on her

446
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: state of being. And it's a whole bunch of single

447
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: pictures of her with UM the song good Vibes playing,

448
00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: and her caption reads happier just one word caption, happier.

449
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: UM and Jesse Palmer responded and says happy looks good

450
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: on you. So I hope she's feeling better since we

451
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: last spoke to her. But you know, this is a

452
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: big relationship, big ending and UM, I know it's gonna

453
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: take time for her to truly, you know, start feeling

454
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: much better. But I hope that she's taking a huge

455
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: step forward. Now. Well, that's all the Bachelor headlines we

456
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: have for you today. It's time Ashley to break down

457
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: the latest episode of the Bachelorette with Rachel and Gabby

458
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: as our Bachelorette's Ashley. They arrive in Bruges bell jump.

459
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of this place, said, you know, Bruge. Nope,

460
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: I never heard of it. Well, uh, we haven't got

461
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: to really dig in. I know last week when we

462
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: were in Tahoe, you broke down the episode with Trista utter,

463
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: but I have I'm sure you spoke about it, but

464
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: I just want to comment again how wild it is

465
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: to me. I told Jessica this last night, uh, that

466
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: they're cruising around on a legitimate cruise ship with I mean,

467
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: I know that there's a lot of people that work

468
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: on the show. So they say there's a hundred people

469
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: that work on the show, and at this point there's

470
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, close to twenty cast members and then so

471
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: that's like a twenty people on a legitimately massive cruise

472
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: ship cruising around Europe. I think this would be awesome,

473
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: the coolest. So Tristan I did talk last week about

474
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: how like I'm a huge cruiser and this is thrilling

475
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: to me. This would be the coolest way to do

476
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. This ship probably has at least passengers and like, yeah,

477
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: probably close to a thousand crew, and that's something totally

478
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: lowballing the numbers. It is a Virgin ship, and Virgin

479
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: is a new cruise line like that. This is their

480
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: first time getting into cruising, so I can understand them

481
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: liking the press on this, but it still seems like

482
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: a huge get. It's awesome, I mean really really incredible,

483
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: and hey, you know what, I think it's working for

484
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: the show. I don't know if we fully always understand

485
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: that they're on a cruise ship as like people are

486
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: filming and as you know, the conversations are existing, but

487
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a really fun way to do

488
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: the show. I hope they can do it all the time.

489
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: And the cruise ship looks awesome. It's showing off really

490
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: well um for for everybody involved, and I like it.

491
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: I like it for this reason because like night dates,

492
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: when the cruise ship is probably having to move locations,

493
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: you're within ten minutes of your room, which sometimes on

494
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: night dates you'd be like an hour and a half

495
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: from the place that you're staying, which just makes for

496
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: later nights. Well, actually, before we break down the episode

497
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: as we do every week, ratings report has just came

498
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: out as of forty minutes ago. ABC does top the

499
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: evening the Bachelrette Um number one for the night with

500
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: three point zero six million viewers. I believe that is

501
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: the most years they've had UH yet. I think actually

502
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I can almost confirm that because I feel like they're

503
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: in the two millions. For the last couple of weeks.

504
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: UM got a point seven rating UH in the eighteen

505
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: to forty nine viewership, which is you know, obviously the

506
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: one that is most important. It topped NBC and Fox,

507
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: who both got point three each. So the Bachelor that

508
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: showed up last night people tuned in. Yeah, but guess what,

509
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: it was probably the worst episode for people to turn

510
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: into because I don't think that that episode is going

511
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: to get anybody hooked that episode. And I liked last

512
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: week's episode. You guys can go and listen to the

513
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: recap with Tristo last week, like I was passed and

514
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: it Yeah, yo, I have nothing to say about this one.

515
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: This guy. It took me forever to get through this

516
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: episode of person pause and pause and pause. I was

517
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: not captivated. I know. Well, let's still break it down

518
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: and see why you weren't captivated. I have a few thoughts.

519
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna break it down in order, from the start

520
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: to the finish. Uh. Even got the one on one

521
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: we know that's happening. The date card has Tino Zack, Meatball, Ethan, Tyler,

522
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: Logan uh in it. But we also we also have

523
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: the storyline of Logan kind of you know, going over

524
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: to Gabby's side Rachel at this point. Uh, it's hard

525
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: to graph through the television. But at the first part

526
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: of this episode, my wife was watching it with me,

527
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: which is why she also heard the weird like, uh,

528
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: and I know who wrote it, so it's funny. It's ridiculous.

529
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: But these like tags to get people to say in

530
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: it for the show are ridiculous, Like, Hey, well, I know,

531
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: I think they're good, but they're ridiculous. They like throw

532
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: me off every time, Like, I'm kind of now excited

533
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: to hear what weirdness they come up with next. But

534
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: she's like, what they just say if you're dating your cousin?

535
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: Like who what? Anyways, Um, the Logan storyline and Rachel

536
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: just being like really down. And we talked about it

537
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago how this show can either really

538
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: help your confidence or really hurt your confidence quickly. As

539
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: the lead, I feel like at this point, like if

540
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: if we were to sit Rachel down in that moment,

541
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: like her confidence is shot, and I get why. I

542
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: don't think it should be. I think she is beautiful.

543
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: I think she's really great. I think she's gonna find

544
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: somebody here that's gonna be a great cast for her still,

545
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: but I get why she's just struggling, and I think

546
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: it's fair. I mean, she's getting a raw into this deal.

547
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: She's certainly is they, you know, and I don't want

548
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: to bring up a gun, but they were all like,

549
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: we're not going to pit them against each other, and like, yeah,

550
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: they didn't directly put the girls against each other, but

551
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: like in having guys, she sort of choose you kind

552
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: of putting them, You're putting their ego at risk? Is

553
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: it an ego? At this point though? Is that the

554
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: right word? I think I think you have to actually

555
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: go to it. Like I feel like somebody with the

556
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: like the most humble, uh, most caring, most giving uh

557
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: person who has no ego would still be hurt in

558
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: this moment. She just got rejected when they were back

559
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: at the mansion by multiple people. Then she shows up

560
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: feeling confident in her group. I don't know if you

561
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: could consider Logan a front runner, but he's he's definitely

562
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: a like a player in this, Like he actually like

563
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: he could be somebody for one of these one them.

564
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: And then he comes in after she's just kind of

565
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: back and settled in and does this Now the question

566
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: I have for you and to the listeners, was Logan

567
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: wrong in doing this? Like did he should he have

568
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: just left the show? Or was he right in communicating

569
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: this when he did? And also then moving over to

570
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: Gabby side. Okay, so first I want to say, like

571
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: I said, the word ego and I now know the

572
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: better way of saying it put the girls in a position,

573
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: specifically in the past couple of cases, Rachel putting her

574
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: in the position to be hurt. So that's what sucks. Now.

575
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't I agree with everything you're saying. I just

576
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: want to play Devil's advocate to bring in a point.

577
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I had somebody on my well really two people during

578
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: my time as the bachelor leave as well, like on

579
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: their own accord. So I will say no matter if

580
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: there is two or one. And I'm saying this because

581
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm hoping Rachel doesn't feel like she's alone by this

582
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: happening to her. I think it can still happen. Now,

583
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: it's different when the guy just is like, hey, I

584
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: like that other person more. I think that adds an

585
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: element that isn't fun to see and kind of it hurts,

586
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: probably worse, but it could still happen at some level

587
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: with one bachelor at or bachelor or two bachelorets or bachelor.

588
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: Now with Paradise, you're always in the position of being hurt,

589
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: and you're always in the position of possibly being rejected.

590
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Like at any moment, somebody can come down the stairs

591
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: and you can be rejected. But it is different. We're

592
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: supposed we're supposed to feel like we need to protect

593
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: the lead a little bit more from rejection. Okay, So

594
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: your question was what did he did he make like?

595
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: Is he is this a villain type moment for Logan

596
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: or not. I don't think it's a villain type moment.

597
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: I also don't think he has like a villainous bone

598
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: in his body. They never even played scary music behind it,

599
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: and like, I don't even think he was ever supposed

600
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: to be like looked at like a villain. Um. I

601
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: do think that maybe he could have been. I mean,

602
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: if we could go back, he could have been a

603
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: little bit more upfront. He could have probably when they

604
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: were like drafting teams been been like, can I talk

605
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: to you for a minute. I'm really I'm really between

606
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: you guys. I really kind of want to explore both

607
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: options that I don't know how I would have gone over.

608
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: It probably wouldn't have gone over good for him then

609
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: and I and he definitely wanted to do this last week,

610
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: but he did the I guess like the only thing

611
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: that he really did that's questionable is accepting Rachel's rose

612
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: last week and not pulling her aside before he accepted that. Yeah, well,

613
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I think it would be really hard

614
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: to say what he said. I don't think he did

615
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: it perfectly. I don't know if there's a perfect moment.

616
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: I also think that Rachel had every right to be

617
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: really sad. I mean, I'm not giving her permissionees, I

618
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: just I can feel I felt for her in that moment,

619
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: Like I was like I'd be bummed like, I'd be

620
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: torn up if this was if I was in Rachel's position.

621
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: No wonder she's crying. I'd be crying. I'd be confused,

622
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: I'd be onet to go home. Uh but Logan does

623
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's what happens, Logan tells her. Um, she

624
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: says okay, and he goes and talks to Gabby. Well,

625
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: Rachel actually talks to Gabby. Gabby then allows Logan to

626
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: come under her side, so Logan is now there. He's

627
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: a part of Gabby's group, which leads us to Rachel's

628
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: group date, which is canceled at this point. Obviously, the

629
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: boys are confused and upset about not having this group date. Ashley, Um,

630
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I wish I would have known I could have canceled

631
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: group dates. You're like, I could have used the rest. Yeah,

632
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: the rest would have been nice. So it is nice

633
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: that she gets this time to like regroup and and

634
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: then she does meet up with the guys at the

635
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: after party break that down for us. Well, she seems

636
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: to be in much better spirits at this point. Hopefully

637
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: she's realizing that Wigan and her wear aren't gonna end

638
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: up together. That's why this whole episode is kind of

639
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: bad to me because most of the storyline. If we'd

640
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: have what's her name Bachelor, what's her what's her name who?

641
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: She breaks down the Bachelor stats, Bachelor data, Bachelor data,

642
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: she would show us that Logan gets more screen time

643
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: than anyone, more than any of the guys in this episode,

644
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: and he just he's not going to end up with

645
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: either of them. That's why this is so not compelling

646
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: to me. It's because he wasn't a front runner who

647
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: decided to go back and forth. Okay, so Rachel and

648
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: Gabby have a talk before she goes into her nighttime

649
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: portion of the group day, and they're cool, you know,

650
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: they they really do see like eye to eye, and

651
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: it's it's nice that there's no drama between them. Um.

652
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: And then she goes in and she gets to talk

653
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: to Ethan, and she talks to Tino. She talks to

654
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: let me pause you here for a second. Here's something

655
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: really interesting about Ethan that I found out last night.

656
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Ethan was on Bachelor Live on stage, and I could

657
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: not I did not remember that he was a bachelor. Yeah,

658
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: he was a bachelor when I did in Seattle, so

659
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I kind of always felt like I recognized them but

660
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I never made the connection. And then son of a

661
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: Gun posted on the Instagram. Okay, uh, that's really cool.

662
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Then Tino um basically said, like the Tino moment. It's

663
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: always stands out to me. This is this is the

664
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: storyline I care about the most, and everybody knows this.

665
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: He says that, um, it doesn't sit well that she

666
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: had to cancel the party, I mean canceled the daytime

667
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: portion of the group to and that um, she's obviously

668
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: so sad. Like he hates this, and he says, this

669
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: will just big huge. He says, I see Rachel as

670
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: my person um, and today they lost memories that they

671
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: could have had together, and her canceling the group date

672
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: during the day made him feel unseen. He feels like

673
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: their relationship is where they can talk about stuff like this.

674
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: So I felt like last week or was it two

675
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: weeks ago? Last week, I think, um, yeah, they had

676
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: the one on one and I was like, look, I

677
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: need to know more about Tino's personality because I like

678
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: to think that he's swoony, but I don't know if

679
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: we know him yet. And now like we see him

680
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: like he's taking charge, like he's like no, no, like

681
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm serious about this, do you well. I mean, I

682
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: think Tino is definitely a front runner. It's interesting, Ashley, Uh,

683
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: Tino is probably, I would say at this point, him

684
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: and Evan are two of the most known people on

685
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: this cast, right, both on Rachel's side. Oh, they're all

686
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: on Rachel's side to me, like, that's why I'm more

687
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: interested in Rachel's storyline. But Tino, and this is just

688
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: a weird thing. He only has twenty thousand followers on Instagram,

689
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: which is a lot, right still, but most time when

690
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: you have a Frowner and a cast, they are upwards

691
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: of a hundred. I'm just wondering if that's part of

692
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: the the signs of the engagement from the show this year.

693
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: It's just interesting to me that I just looked it

694
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: up because I wanted to see, like our people jumping

695
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: on with Tino's story, and I think they are because

696
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: they looked up Tino's name. There's some comments there that

697
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: people were asking, did Tino make that about himself too much?

698
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Like did he? I'm so glad you said that thought? Okay,

699
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: so yes, I think that we saw Tino come into

700
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: his own and that he showed like passion in that moment.

701
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: But to me, it was a little bit of questionable

702
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: passion because a part of me who's been rooting for him,

703
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: mostly because like he seems like this like sexy leading

704
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: man may inmate. He made me feel like, oh, no,

705
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: is he just trying to win this? This is a

706
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: competition thing for him? That crossed my mind for the

707
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: like that cross my mind and trying to block it

708
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: out and say no, no, no, But it was there. Yeah,

709
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: I mean it has to. That's the question you ask

710
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: every front runner, is you know, what's their intentions here?

711
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: But I do think he's He's very into Rachel. I

712
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: do feel like their chemistry together is is very good. Um,

713
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: I would have to put him as the front runner

714
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: at this point. But I mean, if we speed this

715
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: up a bit, Rachel has her group day, Um, you know,

716
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: obviously Tino gets the rose, which makes everybody they're kind

717
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: of I would say, I'd say it's always hard when

718
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: somebody has a one on one and then the next

719
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: week to get a group day rose. You just kind

720
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: of feel like, wow, is everybody else just watching this

721
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: relationship unfold? And it do I matter at all? And

722
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: this I mean, I do know that's a feeling that

723
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: comes about. Uh So, Tina's definitely the front runner. But

724
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, for as high as we all are

725
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: in Tino, and for as much as we think Rachel

726
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: Tino have a connection, no matter how that conversation went down,

727
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: and at this point we have no reason to really

728
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: question Tino's intentions. I think Aven might be the sneaky

729
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: pick here because I feel like he's consistent. I feel

730
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: like they have something special. I feel like he's kind

731
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: of just like navigating this process quietly. His emotions are

732
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: are fairly kept in most of the time when it

733
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: comes to Rachel, but I know he's into her. I

734
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: feel like even might I mean, yes, Tino seems the

735
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: guy that we're all going to be like, of course

736
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna get together. I think Teena even might be

737
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: that guy that sneaks through, okay, totally down even moves

738
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: up to my second place for her right now. After

739
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: this one on one that they have. It's really cute,

740
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: it's really light. Of course, during the day they go

741
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: to chocolate store. Um, they're in a horse and carriage

742
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: that he talks about his mom. We didn't get like

743
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot of dates. Um, but his childhood. We find

744
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: out that he grew up mostly with his dad and

745
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: he didn't really have a close relationship with his mom

746
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: until he got older. He gives Rachel a cute little

747
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Rubber brand rubber bracelet for good luck. That um that

748
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: was you know, his, that is his mom's. And it's

749
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: just nice and easy breezy, you know, just nice, easy,

750
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: breezy day. And I really like his vibes and his

751
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: energy and he's very cute, and uh, I'm feeling him

752
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: more than Zach. So I think Zach was our runner

753
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: up for Rachel it for a while. And Zack, you know,

754
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: his date was great a couple of weeks ago, but

755
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: for some reason, I feel like he's slipping. Yeah, well,

756
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: we haven't seen a lot of them, but I agree

757
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: with that. I don't know if we will see anything

758
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: more from his act because these two even, you know,

759
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of feel as we get down to just a

760
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: few on each side as the front runners. Actually I

761
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: wonder this, I'm just gonna throw this out there. Do

762
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: you think any of these guys are sitting there seeing

763
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: Tino get the first or the one on one then

764
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: the group date rose even obviously getting the one on

765
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: one seeing those connections, Bill, do you think any of

766
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: those guys around there going, Wow, I don't know if

767
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: I have a chance with Rachel anymore. I think she's

768
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: pretty focused and in their heads they're thinking. I wonder

769
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: if you know, because Gabby feels a lot more uh open.

770
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: Right now, there's not like a clear front runner in

771
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: my mind. Do you think any of them going, maybe

772
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: we just like move over to see if that could

773
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: work too? Like, do you think they're thinking that now

774
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: after like the Logan scenario. Not at this point, there's

775
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: too far They're too far in, too far in, so

776
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. Yeah, I don't think they're thinking that. Okay,

777
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: so Aven's one on one with Rachel goes really well, Uh, nothing,

778
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, um, nothing more or less than I think

779
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: their connection is strong. They opened up to each other,

780
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: they share their stories. Uh, and I feel like Avan

781
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: does move up to that second position if we're ranking them,

782
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I love to rank and then we have to come on,

783
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Well that moves just to Gabby. Gabby has a one

784
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: on one date with Johnny. I what were you going

785
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: to say, Well, we finally see Johnny here for a

786
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: while and now we get his now we're seeing him

787
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: and I like him. He's cool. Uh, they have a

788
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: good vibe. It's you know. What's interesting is like the

789
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: big they're big conversation here is about anxiety and depression,

790
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: which is similar to the conversation sort of kind of

791
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: that she had last week with Jason, And we know

792
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: that this is something that she's definitely dealt with. So

793
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: it's a way of her to connect with these guys. Uh.

794
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: He says, this is very interesting that he's the least

795
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: confident person ever and he's very hard on himself. And

796
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: what I kept pondering, what does this mean? What does

797
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: this mean? He says, every time he gets in a relationship,

798
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: once he starts being himself, the girl gets out. And

799
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, Johnny, what now we got? Now? Is that

800
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: I want to know? Is this Is this a weird

801
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: red flag? No? I think it's a legitimate and security

802
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's it's more nuanced than that. In

803
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: his mind, he's creating that narrative, right, you can get

804
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: into like psychoanalysis here and seeing like kind of how

805
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: you see yourself and how you see others see you,

806
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: and so this is a narrative at some level he's creating,

807
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: not and it's not, um, diminishing his story. I'm not

808
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: making it not legitimate, but it you know, yes, he

809
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: sees it this way. Some people might have met him

810
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I don't think we're a good match

811
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: based on who we are as people. Um. But the

812
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: every time thing, you know, one of the things you

813
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: have to learn when you go through therapy is to

814
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: work through that so that you see yourself in the

815
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: light that is that is worthy of being loved and

816
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: loving somebody else. So he's he's gonna have to work

817
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: through that. And the cool part is when you can

818
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: do that with your partner, somebody that says I'm gonna

819
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: love you like I'm not leaving you. Maybe that's gabbing me,

820
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't know yet, um, but it was

821
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: good to see him open up. It makes more sense

822
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: now why he is more reserved, why we haven't seen

823
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: much from him up until this point. So it's good

824
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: to get those, you know, those type of people on

825
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: one on ones because now they start making sense to us.

826
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: We get to hear their story and here they're human experience,

827
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: which isn't ever like simple and which is we're just

828
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: purely like pretty there's everybody has stuff, so it's you know,

829
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite parts of the show is

830
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: is understanding that, yeah, everybody has a little stuff. Well

831
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: Ashley that one on one day goes well, they obviously

832
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: have something they're gonna build on. Um, they have something

833
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna keep take them in the future. H And

834
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: really the most important thing to talk about from this

835
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: point is not the cocktail party, it is the row ceremony. Um,

836
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: because they kind of just fly through the cocktail party,

837
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: it feels like during this episode, so the rose ceremony

838
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: comes up. Um, the people and this is where I

839
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: want to talk about this as we close out here.

840
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: The people that go home are Meatball, Mario, and Michael.

841
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Now I never got to see Michael, and we only

842
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: knew of Meatball because all season they called him Meatball,

843
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: which just feels like he never stood a chance, never

844
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: stood a chance. He was so lucky to get as

845
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: far as he did. Not only did he get accepted

846
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: back in by Rachel, but he also got a rose

847
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: last week. So good for Meatball for making it as

848
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: far exactly like he way way over day where I

849
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: thought Meatball was going to go. I thought he was

850
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: a night winner. Um and I mean, geez, the poor

851
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: guy like they called him Meatball. I mean just I

852
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: think he liked it. Yeah, well, he likes having a

853
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: memorable and I can definitely get an endorsement on Yeah

854
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: he can. I mean, if he's smart, he's calling every

855
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: meatball shop in the country saying, pay me to post

856
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: about your store or do a meatball tour tasting meatballs

857
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: around the world. I think Meatball has something going on

858
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: for him. The shocking piece here, Ashley, is that Mario

859
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: goes home that we we saw Mario get The first

860
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: impression was we haven't seen much of mario sins, and

861
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was because he was such a front

862
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: rudder there. We're going to kind of hide him, you know,

863
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: for a bit. But like what happened, we have no clue,

864
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: like where things went wrong. We have no peace of

865
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: Mario's story. And he was the first impression Rose Getter,

866
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: didn't Abigail get Matt's first impression Rose, And we kept saying,

867
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: where's Abigail, where's Abigail? We want more Abigail. It's like

868
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: the exact same thing with Mario. It was really weird.

869
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: That we never got to see more of why it

870
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: didn't go beyond the first night, you know, and we

871
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: never got to see the fact that, um, there was

872
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: some sort of not fight over Mario, but Rachel definitely

873
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: showed interest in him. Yeah, I know, and but but

874
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's not desired by either one

875
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: of them. Really, it's a bummer, but I saw it coming.

876
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: When you saw the rest of the guy standing there,

877
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: You're like, ah, yeah, Mario's gone. I'm definitely Logan's gonna

878
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: be Logan's going to get the rose. Once you saw

879
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: the cocktail party interaction when Mario was like, hey, look

880
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm where my first impression suit and she's like laughing,

881
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: but it's not romantic. And then we see with Logan

882
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: she slaps him with a fish and then she kisses

883
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: him with fish face. That's that's love, that's attraction. Yeah,

884
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: it's too bad. I thought I was gonna be around.

885
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling we'll be seeing him in Paradise.

886
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: We gotta see him in Paradise. He feels like a

887
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: good Paradise contestant and very desirable in Paradise. Well that

888
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: to close out this episode, Um, the preview for next week. Uh,

889
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: some interesting things that we should pay attention to. Zach

890
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: tells Rachel he is falling in love with her. Rachel

891
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: tells even everything she asked for he embodies. Okay, some

892
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: big Rachel headlines there, and then we go to Gabby.

893
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Gabby tells Eric she has always wanted to be with

894
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: someone like him. Gabby feels her dreams are coming true.

895
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Now Here is the interesting part of the preview. We

896
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: see Jesse bring up a situation with Logan, who you

897
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: had mentioned did not get really a villain musical edit

898
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: in his moments. But we see Jesse bring up a

899
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: situation with Logan, and then Jesse tells Logan to pack

900
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: his bags and Logan does that. It's something to pay

901
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: attention to for the future. I bet that happens on

902
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: next episode. But if this is something not good for Logan,

903
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: then my thought is you should have gone home when

904
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: you had the chance. Well, that was the episode for

905
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: this week. I have a little inside knowled just to

906
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: what the Logan dramas about, and I think you guys

907
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: are going to be absolutely um twisted, you know, like

908
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: it's not all you expect. That's that's all I can do.

909
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: That's all the spoiler I can give. Now. Before we

910
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 1: leave today, we have a very special interview with somebody

911
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: that we never really thought would be we'd be able

912
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: to have on the show. It is one of our

913
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: very very good friends, A Lawn Gale, who is the

914
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: former executive producer of the Bachelor. He's also the showrunner

915
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: for um F Boy Island and now the showrunner of

916
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: The One That Got Away. He's also an executive producer.

917
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's got his fingers and all of these things.

918
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: And we also have one of the contestants on the

919
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: One That Got Away, which is on Prime video right now,

920
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Vince coming on. So please welcome A lawng Gale and Vince. Guys.

921
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: We have Vince Shoe on from the One That Got

922
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: Away and executive producer A Lawn gl guys along. Gael

923
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: is also otherwise known in my phone in my life

924
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: as my father. He likes to be called um my

925
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: father because like my dad's my dad, but like a

926
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: lawn is my father, Okay, like a guider and a

927
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: spiritual spiritual guide in my life. Um So hello father,

928
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: Hello Vince. I've got to start this interview off with

929
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: a question for Alan. Alan, You've now proven that you

930
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: have can compose, produce, put out three very successful dating shows,

931
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: f Boy Island, The One That Got Away, and The

932
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Bachelor for franchise, you're kind of the mastermind behind Bachelor

933
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: in Paradise, whether they want to give you credit for

934
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: that or not. So question is what is it about

935
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: your personality, about your brain that can accomplish so much

936
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: in this TV dating realm Uh? Well, Ashley, obviously it's Uh.

937
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here in an interview with three

938
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: examples of why I'm able to do anything, which is

939
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Ashley and then and Vince, who are super open, loving,

940
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: giving people who I think hadn't had a chance to

941
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: express themselves to their fullest uh and found an opportunity

942
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: and took that opportunity. When it comes to their romantic lives,

943
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think we all talk

944
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: about how important it is to find the one for us,

945
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: the one that got away for Ben specifically, but the

946
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: one the one for us, and I think that sometimes

947
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: we don't put ourselves in a position to find it. Uh.

948
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: And then I think that sometimes when you get lucky,

949
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: you find a casting notice or somebody refers you to

950
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: someone or somebody knows someone that knows you and submits

951
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: your name, and then you find yourself in front of

952
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are interested in your love

953
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: life in a way your friends can only ever pretend

954
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: to be, because it's like, like, how much can you

955
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: listen to the saying? You have these strangers who are

956
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: interested in you, right, and it's so fantastic And and

957
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, actually you love talking about your feelings. And

958
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: I think that there's and and and the truth is

959
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: I think we all do. I think that's I think

960
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think a lot. I think we

961
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: really like talking about our feelings, and we don't always

962
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: have permission, we don't always have interested parties. And you know,

963
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: when you meet someone like I can tell you like

964
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: I remember the day I met Vince and I was like, oh, like,

965
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: I've been asking questions about his life and his family,

966
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: and the answers are honest and you can feel emotion

967
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: and spirit and passion behind it, and you just go, okay,

968
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: like I'm interested in this person. And I think just

969
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: part of it's being like can we how can we

970
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: help other people realize what's so interesting about this person?

971
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, Like that's all.

972
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: It's just people, right, It's just people. Like everything else

973
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: is artifice around it, like whether it's a portal, or

974
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: whether it's a man's splain, or whether it's living in

975
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: Limbro surrounded by coconuts, all of it. Whether oh my god, Jared,

976
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: I just saw Jared and a baby baby down the

977
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: stairs of the baby behind us in the background. That's beautiful. Hi,

978
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: um and all that to say, and and and just

979
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: just to put a finer point on it, uh, Ashley

980
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: as an example, like you just had the perfect example

981
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: of why this all works walk behind you, uh, which

982
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: is you focused on the thing you wanted. You were

983
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: kind enough to always let us capture it on camera,

984
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: and here you are with a tiny baby, Ashley. Um,

985
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: and I imagine you guys make a lot of the

986
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: same noises. Sorry, could you say that? SERI wants to

987
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: get it on this conversation. Oh my god, Allan I

988
00:56:51,360 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: had myself. He's so dramatic and he cries non stop. Yeah,

989
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: what what did you expect? Well, it's like take you

990
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: and remove filters. Yeah, you get a baby, and you

991
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: get a baby. That's what you get. You get. My

992
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: co host and somehow we still we're still making this

993
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: thing work. Vince. Obviously, you do get to work with

994
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: one of our our greatest friends, Alan on this show,

995
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: the one that got away. One of my favorite things,

996
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: because you know, there's new shows that come out, there's

997
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: new shows that I've never heard about that come out.

998
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: I always try to follow Alan and what he's working

999
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: on because it's just always interesting. But Vince, from your perspective, one,

1000
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: I guess it's a two part question. I'll just let

1001
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: you have the stage. Why would Alan ask you to

1002
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: come on with him for this podcast? And then why

1003
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: in the world should we watch you on this show?

1004
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Well, first of all, I didn't even know

1005
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Alan specifically requested me. Now I feel really special, Thank

1006
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: you man. That's awese. I feel like you know me

1007
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: and alone kind of have like a really um I think,

1008
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: a deep understanding of human beings. I think I kind

1009
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: of like I saw it during my interview with him.

1010
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: We had like final auditions in l A And that's

1011
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: the first time I actually met him in person, but

1012
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: we had a few zoom type of interviews before, and

1013
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: I could tell that the way along kind of like

1014
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: analyzes human beings. I felt like I kind of see

1015
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: humans in the same kind of way and the way

1016
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: we kind of vibed in that sense, I just felt

1017
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: like there was a deeper understanding of what we were

1018
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: doing here, like we were trying to express, like, you know,

1019
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: just like the the human condition on film and trying

1020
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: to you know, get this express and and everything that

1021
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: we have deep inside and trying to show the beautiful

1022
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: sides of it and the messy sides of it everything,

1023
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: and that's what makes us human. And you know, I

1024
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: felt like we have always had that kind of connection.

1025
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: Our conversations always, you know, seem very like like meaningful,

1026
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: very like deep, um, very different from a lot of

1027
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: like surface level conversations you have in the industry. And

1028
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could also just be my audition

1029
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: with him when I freestyle wrapped and I dropped him

1030
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: in my freestyle, because I remember during the auditions, like

1031
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: they were they were asking about, oh, what what's your

1032
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: dating life like? And I told them about this like

1033
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: one story where I was freestyling in the car, and

1034
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, when you have a girl freestyle,

1035
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: you kind of break them down a little bit, you know,

1036
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: more they're they're more vulnerable because they know they're not

1037
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: going to do very well. And then um, and I

1038
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: started telling him yeah, and I freestyle too, you know,

1039
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: but I never it's never good. It's always really trash freestyle,

1040
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: but like it makes the girl feel more comfortable freestyling

1041
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: after to hear how much I bomb right And then

1042
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: I remember I think it was Elon or Bill. They

1043
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: were like, well, Viz, why don't you just freestyle right now?

1044
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: And then I remember I just went off the riff

1045
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: during my audition. I was like, I'm just gonna freestyle

1046
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: and I dropped him on. I was like, I forgot

1047
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: what I said. I wanted to say, uh, my boy,

1048
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: a lawn has a hair like a Bishan because I

1049
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: remember his hair was like all crazy and I was like, man,

1050
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: this guy looks like such a character. And I feel

1051
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: like ever since that day we kind of connected. And

1052
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that he invited me here because I

1053
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: feel like we're have like more of a conversation. I've

1054
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of conversation with him offline, but you know,

1055
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: this time you don't have it together. It was fantastic. Um.

1056
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what was the second question, why should

1057
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: we want? I am a quarter so I really appreciated

1058
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: you seeing being able to see that in me. Thank you.

1059
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: Alan's always Alan has always been lucky that he was

1060
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: blessed with hair. He hasn't started losing it, and and

1061
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: I'd say most of the population at his age start

1062
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: to lose some hair, and his just continues to grow

1063
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: age thirty nine down. Okay, the second part of this

1064
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: question is why should we watch the show? I guess

1065
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: I'll give it to both of you to answer. From

1066
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: Alan's perspective and also from yours, Vince, Well, from my perspective,

1067
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: I feel like what makes this show so different, um,

1068
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: is that it just feels so real because we're coming,

1069
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: We're meeting these people from our past, and they're not

1070
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: necessarily strangers. And I think most shows that we see nowadays,

1071
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, you're paired up with strangers in some type

1072
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: of way. UM, And these these people, you already have

1073
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: some history behind it and there's some context there. So

1074
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,959
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we're only filming for about

1075
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: like five weeks, right, And I think a lot of

1076
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: people they watched these shows and going, well, how can

1077
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: you really fall in love in five weeks, and I

1078
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: think this show is so special because there's our radio

1079
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: connection there. So these these sparks that are kind of

1080
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: like reignited, I feel like they really lend themselves to

1081
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: a lot of emotional acceleration. So like like you've seen

1082
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: you on the show and I end up, you know,

1083
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: opening my heart out, and I'm just like, I get

1084
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: very committed. I fall in love on the show, and

1085
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: I never thought that was possible. And I think because

1086
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: I already had a connection to this person, it just

1087
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: sped things up a lot fast. We already know, you know,

1088
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: our hometowns are the same, like you know, we know

1089
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: our our background with a the same school, that we're

1090
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: able to have a really good starting point. And I

1091
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: think that's what make to show so different. And it's

1092
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: it's I think everyone kind of has that um that

1093
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: feeling like, oh, there's maybe the one that got away

1094
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: for them, and you know, everyone can kind of relate

1095
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: to this premise and that's something that I always I

1096
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: was hoping people would take away from it when they

1097
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: watched it, you know, And it's great, you know, television

1098
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: is very entertaining, but at the end of the day,

1099
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: when you finish it, you would think, Okay, who's the

1100
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: one that got away from me? And maybe I can

1101
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 1: reach out to them and maybe use this show as

1102
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of like the reason for it. Hey, have you

1103
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: seen that new show, the one that Got Away? On

1104
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime? It's like, oh my god. It kind of

1105
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: reminded me of you remember when we you know, used

1106
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: to be friends back in middle school or high school,

1107
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: and you know that could spark a connection and be like, oh,

1108
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we should grab coffee sometime, And that

1109
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: would give people a socially acceptable way to, you know,

1110
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: reconnect with somebody, because you don't want to just cold

1111
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: DM someone that you had a crush on ten years ago,

1112
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of creepy, right. So I did that.

1113
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: I did a podcast on it once. I called a

1114
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: boy I hadn't talked to you in like six or

1115
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: seven years, and I was like, hey, confession time, I

1116
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: had a big crush on you. Did you know that?

1117
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: And we did it all live on air. I have

1118
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: never been so nervous, even of all the times I

1119
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: was on the Bachelor, What what what happened? I missed

1120
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: that once? It was back when I was obviously single.

1121
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: Um and he was like, yeah, I was like I

1122
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: told him. I was like, Hey, we're just doing like

1123
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: a little nostalgic thing. We're talking to people from like

1124
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: college and grad school and stuff. So if you come

1125
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: on and talk about like our time in grad school

1126
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: and now he's actually one of the lead anchors on

1127
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: Good Morning America Weekend. So Trevor Alt, you guys can

1128
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: look him up. Yeah, he's a big deal. Um. And

1129
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: I was so awkward and so nervous, and he was like, yeah,

1130
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: I think I kind of knew that you to crush

1131
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: on me. And I was like, well, I kind of

1132
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: thought that you had like kind of maybe like a

1133
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: little interest, And he was like, um, I don't know. Literally,

1134
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: apparently I was like revisionist history, sir, revisionist history. We

1135
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: had there was there was something there. Why did you

1136
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: think there was something there? Do you remember was there

1137
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: a moment? There was multiple moments to see, he had

1138
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. He had a girlfriend the entire time. He

1139
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: ended up breaking up with his girlfriend. Um, literally a

1140
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: matter of I think it was a week after grad school,

1141
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: so like there was no move ever made because he

1142
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: was living with his girlfriend, but you could tell like

1143
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: they were on the rocks. He wasn't interested anymore. So,

1144
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: especially the last six months of school, it was like

1145
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: summary flirty vibes. Um. We were having more like get

1146
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: together as because we all knew there was a small group.

1147
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: It was a concentration of like forty people. So we

1148
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: were just you know, we were just hanging out a lot,

1149
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: trying to suck up those last moments, and you could

1150
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: just vibe it. But apparently he doesn't admit to it.

1151
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: Whatever everybody else saw it. We'd next to the computer,

1152
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: we would be next to each other on the computer

1153
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: and all that. Whatever. He's going to hear this now

1154
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: and now that he's like, you know, a reporter for

1155
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: good Morning America, it's probably gonna be a headline God,

1156
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: good Morning America and almost famous colliding. You're just doing

1157
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: crossovers left and right. One girl, one girl graduates Syracusan

1158
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: went on the Bachelor, and then the other one became

1159
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: a reporter for good Morning America, all in the ABC family,

1160
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: all on this American life. Um. So I think that

1161
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: just to say, so what I love, because I want

1162
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: to answer Ben's question before he really left, is um

1163
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: is there's a I think that people and I know

1164
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: that you and your your husband are both interested in

1165
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: the multiverse. Um, because you have to be because of

1166
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: all the Marvel movies, and you can't escape them even

1167
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: if you wanted to. And so I think that there's

1168
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: the reason right now that people are so like fascinated

1169
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: by the multiverse, which of course I am. To the

1170
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: multiverse that is Marvel or all the dating shows, no

1171
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: like no, no, the multiverse that is like the concept

1172
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: of the multiverse, the idea that there are endless timelines

1173
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: happening at once, and there's different views in different universes,

1174
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: a million doctors strangers from here to there. Is is

1175
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of us really like being

1176
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: able to visualize what our life would be like if

1177
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: we had made different choices. Um. I think a lot

1178
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: of us like to really think about how things would

1179
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: be different. Like, as an example, if you and that

1180
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: guy had made a move that night, right that would

1181
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: have you wouldn't be here right now. I'm assuming if

1182
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: you guys had fallen for each other, you wouldn't be

1183
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: here right now. You'd be you might be somewhere else.

1184
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: You might be somewhere you like more, but you might

1185
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. You wouldn't have Jared, There's no place

1186
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: I'd rather be than here, except I could mute my

1187
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: child if there was a button for that. And I

1188
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: think that I think that you think about It's very

1189
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: natural to think about regret and about wondering if you

1190
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: could have done things better or done things differently. I

1191
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: think we all think about that all the time. And

1192
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: so the One that Got Away offers an opportunity, for

1193
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: a very short time and a very limited time frame,

1194
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: for just a few people to feel like, hey, what

1195
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: if you could just start again at zero? What if

1196
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: you know? The idea for for Vince and Vince had

1197
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: people come in on our show, people come into a portal.

1198
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: And that's very intentional, right, like the portal exists. We're

1199
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: a little we're a little sci fi too, trying to

1200
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: play with time travel, trying to play with the ideas

1201
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: of time not mattering, which I think is a really

1202
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: interesting thing to think about. I think a lot of

1203
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: us the last couple of years in the pandemic have

1204
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: felt like time has stood still and we've had a

1205
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: lot more time to think about things we could have done,

1206
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: or want to do or should have done. Uh, And

1207
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: all that kind of comes together in this place where

1208
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden Bins comes in and we

1209
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: found people amazingly from his you know, from his high

1210
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: school life and his college life and his law school

1211
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: life and his adult life and and all of those

1212
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: different places, and he gets to like restart as if

1213
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: he's in high school. He gets to restart. You know,

1214
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: his first date with Eureka Um was one where we

1215
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: found a limo that looked just like the limo that

1216
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: they took two prompt together and got to just go,

1217
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: what if you got to do that night again? You

1218
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: know that that kind of wish fulfillment, I think is

1219
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: stuff that we all wish we could do, right, you

1220
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: relive that first night, you know, I'm sure Ashley, you

1221
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: think about your wedding all the time and think about

1222
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: different different day, different ways that that could have on

1223
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: and slightly you know, obviously it was perfect, but you

1224
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like perfect, and it was our

1225
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: anniversaries in two days. Can you be lose in three years?

1226
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: Three years? It's incredible three years that he officiated our wedding.

1227
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: In the he needs to win an award, all time,

1228
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: all time award, not just the Oscar for the Year,

1229
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: but like the all time Oscar for doing the best

1230
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: officiating at any wedding ever. Okay, sorry Alan to continue, Well,

1231
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: just to say that that was the best wedding I've

1232
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: ever been to. So I was just there as like

1233
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: a guest, so that's how I saw it. But um,

1234
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: all that to say, like, I think that's what the

1235
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: One That Got Away does so well and does so differently,

1236
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: And like again, like I love that there's a wide

1237
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: variety of dating shows out there. I love the ones

1238
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: that I like, I love the ones that I get

1239
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: to work on, I love the ones that I don't.

1240
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: And I think that like the way I love Ninety

1241
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: Day Fiance as a consumer is also the way that

1242
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: I love One That Got Away as a consumer, which

1243
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: is like it's just peering into other people's lives in

1244
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: a way that makes me learn more about how people are,

1245
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: which is always what I'm interested in. Like, you get

1246
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: to watch people be people, and you know, I think

1247
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: that's cool. Like Ashley, You've like just to say, like

1248
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 1: you've lived, I think, in the last ten years or so,

1249
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: an incredibly interesting life, incredibly like all kinds of ups

1250
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: and downs and lefts and rights, and the fact that

1251
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: like that could have gone on, and no one could

1252
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: have ever known. Right, all of that could have happened

1253
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: without a single camera around, without a single photograph, without

1254
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: a single Instagram follower, all of that could have happened.

1255
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: But instead we got to come along for the ride,

1256
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: and I got to sit in my ass at home

1257
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: and watch you and Jared go through this incredible, incredible

1258
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: love story over three years essentially, and then get married

1259
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: and then have a baby and all that. And so

1260
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: it's this weird need for connection where like, I feel

1261
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: like I know you and Jared really well, but I

1262
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: also feel like there's millions of others that do too,

1263
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: and I think that those are all genuine and interesting relationships.

1264
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: I think people feel invested and committed and they learn lessons,

1265
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's a lot of people who have

1266
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: seen themselves as Ashley Eyes over the years that go like,

1267
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep trying and I'm gonna whittle this man's

1268
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: heart into the shape that I needed to be. Um.

1269
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: I still get told every day when we go to Audrey's,

1270
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: our coffee shop, every day, oh my god, you kept fighting,

1271
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: you kept fighting. I can't believe you guys are together.

1272
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: It's so wonderful to see you guys together, Like, I

1273
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: love your story. It's it's insane. It's insane that it's

1274
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: made a print on anyone. What but it doesn't. I

1275
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: think that dating shows make a print on a lot

1276
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: of people. And I think that, like, yes, there's a

1277
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: lot of it, it's just entertainment. It really is a

1278
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of it's just for fun. A lot of it's

1279
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: just goofy and wacky, and a lot of that is

1280
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: also important. And I think that people I think that that,

1281
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, let's talk about the cast on these shows.

1282
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: I think what they provide, right, more than what the

1283
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: show provides, like what the people you know, Like you know,

1284
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you have been on

1285
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: this radio show forever now, and you've been on a

1286
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: lot of TV shows, and Vince was a lawyer and

1287
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: is a lawyer, and just just like you, one day

1288
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: decided to make that transition from having a life that's

1289
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: all is just like you had a life that was

1290
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: all yours, to opening it up to other people. And yes,

1291
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: let's not pretend there isn't like there's always you want

1292
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: to do it for you, but it's also it's also

1293
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: really nice to be able to open that up for

1294
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: other people, and your process of being understood more or

1295
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: being listened to more also allows people at home to

1296
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: feel that way, and I think that's really cool. I

1297
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: think people underestimate how open you have to be as

1298
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: a reality show dating contestant, especially, and I think they

1299
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: also underestimate how much you guys are a part of

1300
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: our lives and like a part of the culture that

1301
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: surrounds us, for better, for worse, sometimes great, sometimes not great,

1302
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, like a lot

1303
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: of our examples of what modern romances come from these shows. Yeah, Vince,

1304
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: I want you to preview your time on the show

1305
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: in a second, But I have one last question for

1306
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 1: a long that has to do with casting, because you

1307
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: brought it up. What are the similarities between casting the

1308
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: three dating shows that you've produced, and what are the differences, Like,

1309
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: who were you looking for in each scenario? That's a

1310
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: good that's a really good question. I think that I

1311
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: think that in I'd say almost all shows that I've

1312
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: ever worked on in any kind of casting have been

1313
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: more or less the same in the kinds of people

1314
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: that were looking for, with the exception of A Boy Island,

1315
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: right Boy Island has a very different You're like, we're

1316
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: specifically looking for f boys. That's the thing is that

1317
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: like F Boy, F Boy Island is weirdly like the

1318
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: one that got away. All the shows I was like

1319
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: enough to work on the Bachelor franchise, all of those

1320
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: are really about trying to find people who are open

1321
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: and dynamic, who can express themselves emotionally. I know you

1322
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: can do that. Actually events can do it too, um

1323
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: different ways, but nonetheless um. People that are are are

1324
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: open and willing and and have the ability to put

1325
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: their feelings into words, which is just some people have

1326
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: it more naturally than others, and you can learn it

1327
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: for sure, And you can also learn to not do it,

1328
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: which a lot of people do as they go through

1329
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: their dating processes. They learn not to express those things,

1330
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: and that's a different thing. F Boy Island is a

1331
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: game show. At the end of the day, it's a

1332
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: it's a competition, right and of course, as you know,

1333
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: all dating shows are inherently somewhat competitive, are inherently competitions.

1334
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: But there's something very very different about a show that

1335
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: has a monetary prize at the end, because you can

1336
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: legitimately do game play and game theory, and I think

1337
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: that people, you know, I think that most of the

1338
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: time on on dating shows, people are anxious to be themselves.

1339
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: And I think f Boy Island is different because it

1340
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: gives people on the opportunity to be themselves or be

1341
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: someone else completely. And I think that that is what

1342
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 1: creates that such interesting dynamic in that house, is that

1343
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: half the people someone someone tweeted something the other day

1344
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: that I thought was so smart, which was like half

1345
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: of these people are on a dating show and half

1346
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: of these people are on a Big Brother and it

1347
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: was like, there's just different ways of playing the same game.

1348
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: And weirdly, as you know, the feelings remain real because

1349
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: there's enough people that actually, you know, as you know,

1350
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people go onto these shows not to

1351
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: fall in love, and then they do. And I think

1352
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 1: it's very, very very I think it's very common to

1353
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: be skeptical, and I think that being skeptical is usually

1354
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: the best way to be open because you actually talk

1355
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: about your fears and you talk about your doubts, and

1356
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: you talk about your concerns and your worries, and you're

1357
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: less likely to paint over some of the red flags

1358
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: you see if you're a little bit more skeptical, and

1359
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: so I think that's a That's one thing that I've

1360
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: always really looked to. Also, is that, like I want,

1361
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, vance I can ask you, because I like,

1362
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: did you believe when you first signed up for this

1363
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: that you were going to fall madly in love? Or

1364
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: did you think it would be a fun experience? Yeah?

1365
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely just a fun experience. You know, I

1366
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 1: thought the premise lended itself to probably the best chance

1367
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: for me. But I thought, you know, I'm just gonna

1368
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: go in open hearted, open minded and see what alone

1369
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: has for me. Actually, I don't know, I don't do you.

1370
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think maybe you're you're a different beast

1371
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 1: though actually I don't know what you think. I was

1372
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: actually gonna say, like, Vince, are you in agreeance with

1373
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: me that it was mostly for like a once in

1374
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: a lifetime fun opportunity, super open and wanting to find

1375
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: a relationship, like want to leave this with a happily

1376
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: ever after, but know that the odds are so so low. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

1377
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: I honestly like, looking back, I'm like, oh my gosh, Like,

1378
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: how did I ended up you know, leaving engaged? Like

1379
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: it just it blows my mind because I am going

1380
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: into a spoiler alert. Oh my god, but I'm missing

1381
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: that episodes out now? Yeah, so all episodes are out

1382
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: now of the one that got away on Amazon Prime,

1383
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: so I mean you can watch it on freeb also

1384
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: for free now or not. That's so amazing, Thank you

1385
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: so much. Okay, so you did just spoil your story.

1386
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 1: There's lots of stories that will go unspoiled. How incredible

1387
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: is that that you left engaged? Are you so happy?

1388
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: And when you first just for the audience, like just

1389
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: painting a little picture of like your can you paint

1390
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: a little picture of your story since you know you

1391
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: disspoiled yourself, Like maybe you start when you start the portal?

1392
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: Right when when when you first met her? Yeah, the portal?

1393
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: Was it who you wanted? So honestly, the girls that

1394
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: came through me for the port for me, I had

1395
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: no idea they were going to be there first of all,

1396
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: like the whole casting process was crazy, but all of

1397
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: them were surprised, but I was. Yeah, the girl that

1398
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: I ended up leaving a show with, I remember the

1399
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: first time I saw her. You can't even see in

1400
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: the reaction in my eyes. I was just like, oh

1401
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: my gosh, like it's been ten plus years, like the

1402
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: fact that she even remembers me, and like it's willing

1403
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: to put herself out there for me. It was just

1404
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: like it blew my mind because we weren't really like

1405
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: like super close or anything like we were just kind

1406
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: of acquaintances. She went to problem with when my good friends,

1407
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I never really thought like, oh, you know,

1408
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, I thought she was cute. I never thought like,

1409
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, there was a misstop between necessarily until she came.

1410
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: And it was like once I got to know her,

1411
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, like this girl is

1412
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: It's so sweet, like like basically my type. And I

1413
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, man, along there, I was like,

1414
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: you guys like set this up so perfectly because she

1415
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: was exactly I feel like what I wanted. And as

1416
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: time progress, you just see our bond like we were

1417
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: both like water signs. I'm a Pisces, she's a cancer,

1418
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm a pieces and Jared's a Scorpio. And don't even

1419
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: get this, don't even get me started, because there's a

1420
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: classic in my book line in Paradise in which I

1421
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: said I have a Pisces female and he's a Scorpio male,

1422
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: and that is like one of the best combinations in

1423
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: the zodiac. It is. And I literally remember after the show,

1424
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: we were like looking up our astrologicals because we are

1425
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: so very much both water signs, and you can see

1426
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: it on the show, like our emotions were just pouring

1427
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 1: out to each other and we were just very like

1428
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: sensitive and empathetic towards each other. And you know, I

1429
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: feel like you can see that difference, like and all

1430
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: the other girls that kind of came for me, like

1431
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: you can sit like just feel that there's a sense

1432
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: of closes between me and Eureka, and yeah, that that

1433
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: for me, Oh my gosh, like it's changed my life.

1434
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: And you know, after the show, it was you know,

1435
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: I remember like we had to make an announcement, you know, like, oh,

1436
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: are we guys still together? And I don't know if

1437
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: I should just spoil it, but you can see it

1438
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: on my Instagram and we give a whole update that

1439
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: we're speaking to the hardcore fans right now. It felt

1440
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,480
Speaker 1: so real. Every step of the way was so genuine.

1441
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: We weren't on this show looking for like, you know,

1442
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: cloud or anything like that. We genuinely, you know, I

1443
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: was a lawyer already having a job. Like she came in.

1444
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: She works, you know, for a big company doing it

1445
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: as a consultant. So we genuinely just wanted this to work.

1446
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: And that was like my biggest takeaway from the show

1447
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: was her. And you know, I feel like right now

1448
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: we still keep in touch. I was. I just saw

1449
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: her last week. She came down um from New York,

1450
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's just there's just this bond that you have,

1451
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you meet someone on show and like

1452
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: you tell me, let me feel this way too. Actually,

1453
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 1: it's like you just have this like level of closeness

1454
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: that you can't really share with anybody else. Right's almost

1455
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: like a fraternity or like you know, if you like

1456
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: leave like a military, like the military, you were in

1457
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 1: battle together. There there's like that like sense of closest bonds,

1458
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: you know. That's how I know I know it. I

1459
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: went to on a trip with this podcast to Tahoe

1460
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: and we hung out with a couple of people from

1461
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: the Bachelor franchise and their friends that I don't get

1462
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: to see like on a very regular basis, But when

1463
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: we get together, it's like no time has passed. We

1464
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: were so comfortable together because that shared experience. I can

1465
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 1: go on and on and on, but I feel like

1466
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: we should just have everybody who's listening watch your story.

1467
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: So it's the one that got away on Prime Video

1468
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: can stream it all now. I'm so happy for you.

1469
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: I have so many more questions for a long when

1470
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: it comes to reality dating. So perhaps we can have

1471
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: you on again. Um and Vince, congratulations on the engagement.

1472
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: That's so awesome. Than you, Ashley, have your family for me,

1473
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: all of them. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I

1474
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: will all right. Thank you for running us. See ya,

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