1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now we've got 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: good news bad news out of the legal world. I 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: want to start with that. And there's a lot going 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: on in legal world. This may be the first election 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: that I can think of in my lifetime in nineties 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: where courtroom drama is basically overshadowing campaign stuff. I mean, 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: there's more of a focus on what's happening in courtrooms 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: right now in the news cycle than presidential campaign speeches, events, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: any of that kind of stuff. We just had the 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Trump Trial of New York guilty verdict. Whole thing was 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: absurd in saying a terrible blow to the justice system 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: in New York City, that it would be weaponized in 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: the way that it was. Now we've got some other things. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Let's go to the I'll start with the good news. 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Let's start with the good news. We could use a 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: little good news today. The Georgia Court of Appeals. This 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: is for the Rico case by Judge Fani Will. The 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: Georgia Court of Appeals has indefinitely paused that case, which 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: I think right now it's on schedule play for March 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They're gonna be able to And this 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: is about whether Fannie Willis should be able to stay 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: on as the lead prosecutor in that case. So it 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: turned out that Fannie Willis's defiant testimony and her promises 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: that she paid back what was. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: The guy's name, I'm blaming on the guy's name, Nathan Wade. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, Nathan Wade paid back Nathan Wade for in cash. 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: As one does. I've paid all my girlfriends back in 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: cash when they've taken me on state sponsored you know, 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: trip somewhere. Sure, anyway, it looks like she actually may 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: not be able to continue in that role. But more importantly, 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: that case now, I think we can put that one 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: on the Dunzo pile as in, it is done, It 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: is finished for now. It is not happening before the election. 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Quick reaction Clay on this one. It's good news for 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Trump to. 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: Be sure we got this one right. And I don't 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: think this case will ever go to trial in Georgia. 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: I think what is going to happen is that Fawnie 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: Willis is going to end up getting removed. They'll have 40 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: a new DA. Trump is either going to get elected 41 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: president or he's not. They won't be able to bring 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: the case against him. While he is president. And I 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: think a lot of the guts of this case, that 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: is the charges, that is the basis, the factual allegations. 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: I think the Supreme Court decision, which is coming down 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: in the next few weeks regarding presidential immunity is likely 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: to wipe out Georgia's ability to prosecute because if you're 48 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: saying that the federal government can't prosecute based on presidential powers, 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: certainly states can't. In other words, if Jack Smith can't 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: bring his Jan six to relate charges, then no state 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: can bring those charges because it would be enveloped in 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: the presidential privilege in the same way that the federal 53 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: charges would be. So I think, beyond the shadow of 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: a doubt this case is not happening anything relating to 55 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: the presidential campaign. But I don't even think it'll exist. 56 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: I was going to talk about Steve Bennon. We're going 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: to hold off on that for a second here because 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: our friend Miranda Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist, author 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: of Laptop from Hell, is at the Hunter Biden trial 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: and she's calling in to give us some updates. Miranda. 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Always great to have you. 62 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: Hi, great to be with you. Client, but we just 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: have broken for lunch in the middle of Helle Biden's testimony. 64 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Let's start with this the biggest I can't say it's 65 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: a revelation, but is the most important confirmation so far 66 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: that the FBI has on the record. Now had to 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: say that, Yeah, it turns out the laptop is real, 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: like what has been noteworthy from the trial. 69 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, that was certainly a moment, and especially for 70 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: The New York Post after we were censored for reporting 71 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: from the laptop back in October of twenty twenty. You know, 72 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: it's we know that the FBO authenticated already, but this 73 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: is a trial exhibit and it is the actual physical laptop. 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: It's a MacBook Pro thirteen silver. It's wrapped in a 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 3: clear plastic wrapper. And the prosecutor, Derek Hines, picked it up. 76 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: So this is exhibit number. What it was twelve, I think, 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: and he sixteen. And he walks across the court room 78 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: with it and hands it to the FBI agent sitting 79 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: in the witness box and says, can you identify this? 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: And she says, yes, it's Hunter Biden's. I can identify 81 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: it fight it from the serial number. And then later 82 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: on she says, and we call corroborated its content with 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: the content of the iCloud, which was just, you know, 84 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: this very dramatic moment after almost four years of denial, 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: and you know, fifty one spies, formers, spies saying it 86 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: was Russian disinformation and a whole lot of lies from Democrats. 87 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: And I have to say, from the other media. 88 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: How much personal validation, Miranda, do you feel having written 89 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: a book called Laptop from Hell, which I've read, but 90 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: really to have seen not only yourself but also the 91 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: New York Post dragged through the ringer, the all of 92 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: the allegations that it wasn't true to then just have 93 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: this laptop introduced, authenticated everything on it's one hundred percent real, 94 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: which many of our audience has known for a long time, 95 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: but lots of people in America still don't know. Did 96 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: you take personal validation in that? Did it feel like 97 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: a weight off your shoulders in any way to finally 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: have it indisputably authentic and all of your work one 99 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: hundred percent correct. 100 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: I wouldn't actually describe it like that, because there's just 101 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: never been any doubt that it was authentic, But it 102 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: does give me a sort of satisfaction to see that 103 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: now the New York Times, the Washington Post and everything 104 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: just have to write in a matter of fact way 105 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: that this is the laptop and it's authentic. And also 106 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: to see it happening right in the courtroom, right in 107 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: front of Hunter, Biden and Kevin Morris, who have just 108 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: been throwing shade on this, you know, Hunter saying, oh, 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: it could be mine, might have been stolen by Russians, 110 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: might have been hacked. You know, now that's it, there's 111 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: no doubt. And the judge in fact this morning was 112 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: even more emphatic because Abbi lol is still trying to 113 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: have this little bit of wriggle room and he says, oh, 114 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: you know what the prosecution is calling the laptop, you know, 115 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: trying to put some distance between the laptop and reality. 116 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: And the judge was having none of it. She said, no, look, 117 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: hard drive, laptop, it's the same thing. Because they kept 118 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: on trying to talk about a hard drive, and she said, 119 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 3: what's on the hard drive is an image of what 120 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 3: was on the laptop. So they are one and the same. 121 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: So that was very good to see that set in 122 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: court and sort of slapping down Hunter and his legal 123 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: team who've been for their own bizarre reasons, trying to 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: pretend that it's not really Hunter's material on the laptop, 125 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: or it's not really his laptop. 126 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: Has anyone privately reached out to you in media and said, 127 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the way that I covered this story. 128 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: I got it wrong. 129 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: No, No, but you know it would that was a 130 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: decision made at the top levels of those news organizations. 131 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: So I don't necessarily blame a lot of the I mean, 132 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: I blame the people like Philip Bump, you know, the columnists, 133 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: the editorial writers. They don't really blame the reporters on 134 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: the ground because they're just kind of reporting what they're told. 135 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: And also, you know, to be kind of the New 136 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: York Times, for instance, should have done a better job. 137 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: But they have intelligence sources who misled them, who they 138 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: were gullible about and trusted. And I think that's at 139 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: the heart of this story is the cover up, and 140 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: it comes from the CIA mainly and the FBI as well. 141 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: But we have seen the shadowy hand of the CIA 142 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: behind this story and behind the cover up for many years, 143 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: and that story is still to be told. 144 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: And also, just to be clear, I know Clay asked 145 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: about whether anyone has apologized to you from any of 146 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: these places. But it's my understanding that none of the 147 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: major news entities that falsely covered the Hunter Bide laptop 148 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: in the first place have issued any official correction. Have 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: they have they said we were wrong on that. 150 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: No? Never. 151 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: But did they do that with Russia? Did they hand 152 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: the Russia russa Russia? Did they hand back their Pulitzers? 153 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: No? 154 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: So I don't expect it to me. It's just it's 155 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: good enough that they are now having to report on 156 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: the laptop. They just do it seamlessly, you know, without 157 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 3: It must be confusing to their readers that they were 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: told that this laptop was Russian disinformation and then without 159 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: blinking an eye, now they're reading in their organs of 160 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: choice from the Left that there is this laptop. It's 161 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: a trial exhibit. 162 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: And I just have to ask. I mean, I know 163 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: you're there for the Hunter trial, which is actually happening, 164 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: despite it coming very close to being all wiped away, 165 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: and the most special treatment for anybody. I think you 166 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: could imagine the justice system because it's Joe Biden's son, 167 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: But what is the defense case really because it seems 168 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: like This is about as straightforward it's illegal to be 169 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: using illegal drugs and signing off on a form when 170 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: you're buying your gun that says I don't use illegal drugs, 171 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. What's the defense position as you can sense 172 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: it or as you can hear it or see it. 173 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 3: So far, it's a hyper technical point. And what Abilol 174 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: is trying to say, and he's pasing the language on 175 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: the form is it is or is it was? Or 176 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 3: is it you know it has been? And he's doing 177 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: that to say that Hunter Biden believed in his mind 178 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: that he was not an addict and was not taking 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: drugs at the moment that he crossed that box and 180 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: signed that form. 181 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really highly technical defense. And I'm 182 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: curious a couple of points here, because you're there Halle 183 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: Biden or Haylee Biden, I'm not sure exactly how her 184 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: name is pronounced. Was Halle. Halle is the widow of 185 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: Bo Biden, the other son of Joe Biden who died. 186 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: That he always talks about is if he died while 187 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: serving the country, but he, unfortunately, I believe, died of 188 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: brain cancer when he came back several years later. But Hunter, 189 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: when his brother died, began to have was it an 190 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: affair or was he already divorced, I'll ask you for 191 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: the timeline. But began to sleep with his brother's ex wife, 192 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: the widow of and got her to start smoking crack 193 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: with him. I mean, this is a crazy story. 194 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: I think she's. 195 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: Testifying to this right now on the stand. Can you 196 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: tell us about that? 197 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: She is just a few minutes ago, she was asked 198 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: by the prosecution, you know, who introduced you to crack? 199 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: And she says Hunter, And then she says she had 200 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: very embarrassed and ashamed. It was a terrible time for her, 201 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: and you know, she wished that it had never happened, 202 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: and so he introduced her to crack and then she 203 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: got clean. And then there's more evidence that came this 204 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: morning where text messages where she's saying, you're trying to 205 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: get me to relapse and he goes yes all the time, 206 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: and you know, it's really it's a Delaware tragedy because 207 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: this is a woman up from the stand who would 208 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: have been probably the first lady of Delaware at least, 209 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 3: if not you know, the first lady of the United States, 210 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: because that was very high hopes for Bo Biden, who 211 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: was the golden child of the Bidens. I mean, he 212 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: was Joe Biden's pride and joy and Hunter Biden was 213 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: the black sheep always. They were only a year apart, 214 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: he and his brother, they sort of adored each other. 215 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: But also you can tell from the laptop, from all 216 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: the text messages that Hunter had a huge tip on 217 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: his shoulder as a sort of loser younger brother. And 218 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, and of course when his brother died, he 219 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: just went completely nuts. But he was already you know, 220 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: taking drugs and doing alcohol before that. But you know, 221 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: you can see already the shape of the defense to come. 222 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: Abby Lowle as map Dad and is opening the sob story. 223 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: And basically so under Biden was a great upstanding guy. 224 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: As soon as his brother died, everything fell apart, and 225 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: he and Hallie got together just because they had a 226 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: shared grief, you know, and the crack was to help 227 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: him with his grief. 228 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: So we have to ask him just before we let 229 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: you go, Brian, thank you for calling him for us, 230 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: but did do you have any inclination as to whether 231 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: this jury based on your reading of them and how 232 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: this is going so far, are you highly confident Hunter 233 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: Biden will be found guilty or you really don't know. 234 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: Well, all they need is one juror to believe Abby 235 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: Lowell's argument about him, you know, the technical argument about 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: not being high when he signed the form, and so 237 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: I kind of think he might get off. Seven out 238 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: of the twelve jurors were chosen, I guess because they 239 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 3: have a drug or alcohol problems in their close family 240 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: or close friends, so they're sympathetic to this drug thing. 241 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: And I guess, you know, they seem to be quite studious, 242 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: and you know, but they're Delawareans, and they're completely aware 243 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: of the power of the Bidens and it's there in 244 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: court every day. I mean, Valerie Owens, who's Joe Biden's 245 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: sister who ran his campaigns for him, is sitting now 246 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: in the front seat next to Melissa Cohen, Hunter's wife, 247 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: in lieu of Jill Biden. And so I think that 248 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: was sort of a message to Halle, because I don't 249 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: think Hallie and Aunt val got on that well. So 250 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: there's always some sort of psychodrama going on in those 251 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: front rows right behind, right behind Hunter that is understood 252 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: by people in Delaware and maybe not by outsiders. 253 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Miranda, phenomenal work. We appreciate you making the time today 254 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: during the lunch break of that trial. Any idea quickly 255 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: as we go out when the verdict might come down. 256 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: When this case is going to be closed. 257 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: It won't be till next week, but the defense is 258 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: saying they're going to rest today, I mean, and then 259 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: Abby Lowell has got his witnesses, will start tomorrow. 260 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Mirian from Hell. Look for her latest at 261 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: the New York Post. 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Use my name Clay for twenty 282 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: five off. Clay Travis and buck Sexton on the front 283 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: Lines of Truth. Welcome back in Clay Travis, buck Sexton Show. 284 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. You just 285 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: heard from Miranda Divine. I think it really begs the question. 286 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk about Hunter, but I want 287 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: you to just think about this. Clearly, a felon should 288 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: be in prison in my opinion, based on all the 289 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: crimes that he's committed. Has wried extensively about the money 290 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: that he got from China, Ukraine, the involvement of Joe Biden. 291 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: But I just want you to think about this from 292 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: a personal level. Bo Biden, whom Joe Biden talks about 293 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: dying all the time died. Hunter Biden responded to that 294 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: by sleeping with his brother's wife and getting her to 295 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: use crack with him. Whatever situations are going on in 296 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: your family, I want you to think about the dark 297 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: demons inside of the Biden family. That Hunter and Bo 298 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: were brothers. Bo dies tragically of cancer, and Hunter Biden's 299 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: response to that is I'm going to start sleeping with 300 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: his wife and I'm going to get her to use crack. 301 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: That's what she just testified to on the witness stand. 302 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: Relating to this case, that's a pretty unbelievable story and 303 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: fact pattern. 304 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: You're suggesting that Hunter Biden is a depraved, immoral, and 305 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: destructive human being. I think so. Yeah. 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Federal a federal prison on July first because 334 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: of a contempt of Congress issue. We keep having this 335 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: discussion about the two different justice systems and what's going on, 336 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: and I keep trying to say it because I think 337 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: it's so important to change the psychology around this. It's 338 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: not that they care that they are engaged in hypocrisy 339 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: and a unfair utilization of power. They want to do 340 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: it because they can do it, or rather they do 341 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: it because they want to, and that's what you see 342 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: going on here. The whole point is that they're they're 343 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: in the good guys defending democracy in their minds with 344 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: the bad guys. I want to let you hear though. 345 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: Four months sentence. So they're going to keep him, we 346 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: see August tim Rock Roger. Yeah, they keep them in 347 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: prison until the election. Effectively is not interesting. Four month 348 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: prison sentence for this. Bannon today addressed the nation outside 349 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: the courthouse. This is what Steve said. 350 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: I've got great lawyers, and we're gonna go all the 351 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 4: way Supreme Court if we have to. But I want 352 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: to say something specifically about the Justice Department. Merrick Garland, 353 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: Lisa Monico, the entire Justice Department. 354 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: They're not gonna shut up Trump. 355 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 4: They're not gonna shut Navarro, They're not gonna shut up Bannon, 356 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: and they're certainly not gonna shut up Maga. If you 357 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: look right here at your reporters, in the two and 358 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: a half of three years we've been here, look at 359 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 4: the rise of MAGA, Look at the rise of Donald Trump. 360 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: If the election was held today. 361 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 4: According to Harry aton Over at CNN, president Trump would 362 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 4: win in a landslide. All of this, besides the major 363 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: illegal issues that have to be addressed, all of this. 364 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: Is about one thing. 365 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 4: This is about shutting down the MAGA movement, shutting down 366 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 4: grassroots conservatives, shutting down President Trump. Not only are we winning, 367 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: we are going to prevail in every number, in every 368 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: shows that there's nothing that can shut me up and 369 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 4: nothing that will. 370 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: Shut me up. 371 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: There's not a prison. 372 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: There's not a prison. 373 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 4: There's not a prison built. There's not a prison built. 374 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: Are jail built that wherever? Shut me up? And in 375 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: defiant about this, I would just note that there have 376 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: been others who have asserted executive privilege. There have been 377 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: others who have defied congressional subpoenas, but only Steve Bannon 378 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: gets sent to prison. 379 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: Clay yeah, And we just had Miranda Divine on from Wilmington, Delaware, 380 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: where the Hunter Biden case is currently underway. I think 381 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 2: they're on lunch break right now. Pay attention to what 382 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: they're willing to do. Steve Bannon is going to go 383 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: to prison for four months. They're making him show up 384 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: on July first and turn himself in. That would, like 385 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: you said, July August. Basically, he'll get out right after Halloween. 386 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: In theory, if it's exactly four months, a couple of 387 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: days before the election would take place. Again. I don't 388 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: know about processing and how long exactly he would be 389 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: expected to be there, but I don't think you can 390 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: underrate Hunter Biden is an awful person who has done 391 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 2: many awful things and committed a series of felonies. But 392 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: because his last name is Biden and he's on trial 393 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: in Delaware, I have legitimate questions about whether that jury 394 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: is going to be willing to convict him, not because 395 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: there's any real doubt about his guilt. You just heard 396 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: Miranda Devine explain that his defense is at the exact 397 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: time that he checked that he was not using drugs, 398 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: he wasn't under the influence of drugs, and therefore that 399 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 2: means he was not in violation of the gun rule 400 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: for purchase, which requires that you not be a drug 401 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: addict when you're you're getting a gun. That's a pretty 402 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: tough argument to make. But is it enough for there 403 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: to be one person on that jury who just says, 404 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm a huge Joe Biden supporter. I've been voting for 405 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: him for fifty years. I'm not going to convict his 406 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: son of anything. They wouldn't stun me, and I don't 407 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: even know that you really need a defense if that's 408 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: your perspective, because he's guilty clearly. But somebody might say, hey, 409 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: I'm a Democrat, I'm not going to vote for the 410 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: president's son to be guilty of a felony. 411 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: I think everyone has to see what's going on here 412 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: with Trump allies and people around Trump. This has always 413 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: been the dream of the anti Trump Democrat left. This 414 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: has been what they've wanted to create as the reality 415 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: for a long time, whereby your service to Donald Trump 416 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: becomes effectively all that is needed for the prosecutors to 417 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: target you and figure something out. The famous lavent to 418 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: bury a line the head of the Soviet secret intelligence 419 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: you know you show me the man, I'll show you 420 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: the crime. In this case, it's you show me the 421 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: connection to Trump, and I'll show you the crime that 422 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: the man has committed. You have Alan Weiselberg. I've mentioned 423 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: this Clay, He's on his second stint in Riker's Island. 424 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Now they say because of perjury in a deposition and 425 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: then also for a tax at tax issue. I mean 426 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: it's for off the books benefits like a car and 427 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: a luxury apartment. I mean you know that the company 428 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: had that he didn't list on his taxes. Whatever. You 429 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: have Peter Navarro in prison right now, You're about to 430 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: have Steve Bannon in prison right now. They aren't going 431 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: to stop and these lory. This is why I don't 432 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: think it's just for window dressing or for optics or 433 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: whatever that they're bringing these prosecutions in places what was 434 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: it Wisconsin yesterday? 435 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: In Michigan, Wisconsin yesterday three lawyers charged with crimes. Nineteen 436 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: people charged in Georgia, in Atlanta at in conjunction with 437 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: that Fanny Willis case. 438 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: I think they're going to try to lock some of 439 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: these people up, Oh yeah, meaning put them in actual cells, 440 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: take away their freedom and ruin their lives and ruin 441 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: their reputations. I mean, that's and they're going to try 442 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: to do it to Donald Trump too. Interesting. It's they 443 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: will not be satisfied with a victory over Trump this fall. 444 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, although that would be terrible for the country, 445 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: but they won't be satisfied with that. They want a 446 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: victory over Trump and his imprisonment and the imprisonment of 447 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: his close allies. And they refuse to see how that 448 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: is going to poison politics in this country for generations. 449 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: I don't think they're done. I mean, the message here 450 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: is if you're close to Trump, we're gonna get you. 451 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: Think about how chilling that is. I just said, nineteen 452 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: people in Atlanta. They challenged that. They charged his personal 453 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: assistant down in South Florida, as you just mentioned, three 454 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: people in Wisconsin just the other day. Just a few 455 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: months ago, they charged several people in Arizona. I'm sure 456 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: there will be additional charges coming down in the future. 457 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: And a lot of this I've been troubled by as 458 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: an attorney, because effectively, what you're doing is criminalizing legal 459 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: defense or legal arguments. The very essence of being a 460 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: lawyer sometimes requires you to make somewhat aggressive legal arguments 461 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: on behalf of representing your client. The Supreme Court, I hope, 462 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: is going to put a major chill on much of 463 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: this with the opinion that they come down about presidential powers. 464 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I think, look, I'm be on 465 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: an island on this, although I think you might agree 466 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: with me on this one. I think they're going to 467 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 2: try to put him in prison on July the eighth 468 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: when he shows up for sentencing. Yes, is it maybe 469 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 2: July eleventh, whatever the date is. 470 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 1: I think it's the eleventh. 471 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, July eleventh, they're going to try to 472 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: put him in prison. 473 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: Well, as I've said, the problem with their position is 474 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: if they don't put him in prison, it undermines the 475 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: seriousness of bringing a case against Trump in the first place. Right, 476 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: Why bring a case against somebody, a criminal case against somebody, 477 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: charge them with thirty four felony counts If you're not 478 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: going to give them some kind of sentence of incarceration, 479 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: what's the point. And I think that's why they will feel, 480 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: first of all, they want to and second of all, 481 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: they'll feel politically cornered by this because it will under 482 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: it will look like, so you went through all that 483 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: to give him probation. That that's how serious it was. 484 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: It's such a serious crime that the judge gives him 485 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: probation afterwards. So I think there's a very real possibility, 486 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: and it'll be something like we've seen here you three months, 487 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: four months, maybe right up until the election. And I 488 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: know people keep saying, oh, but they're they would never. 489 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: Given what we have seen these Democrats do now clay 490 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: for not just the Biden term, but with Russia collusion 491 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: all through Trump. How can anyone really believe in the 492 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: phrase they would never. Oh, I think they would. 493 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: What restraint have you seen? And we mentioned the Georgia 494 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: case collapsing. There's no way it's going to happen. We'll 495 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: see again what the Supreme Court says in the next 496 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: few weeks about presidential immunity. But the Jack Smith DC 497 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: case in Trouble, South Florida with Judge Eileen Cannon, the 498 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: classified documents case in Trouble, I think they're now going 499 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: to have to overreach on the Alvin Bragg case because 500 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 2: it's the only element of law fair that they're going 501 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: to be able to get complete. Before all of you 502 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: go out and either vote early, which we encourage you 503 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: to do, or vote on election day on November fifth. 504 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: This is it. I think that they're definitely going to 505 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: put him in prices. Can you imagine after all this 506 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 2: buck if Judge merchand came out and said, hey, your 507 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: punishment is a one million dollar fine, one month probation 508 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: or something community service. 509 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: Trump shows up, He's like, all right, everybody, we're here 510 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: to clean up side of the highway. Beautiful highways in 511 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: New York City. Are going to make them more beautiful, 512 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: the most beautiful highways. Community service. No, I don't think 513 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: they're going to do that. I don't think you're going 514 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: to see Trump with one of those sticks with the 515 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: little thing at the bottom that you you know, yup 516 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: the litter with. No, they're going to try to send 517 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: him to some I don't know what the facility will be, uh, 518 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: but they're going to try to do it at a minimum. 519 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe then the Supreme Court steps in and says, 520 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: hold on, there's federal issues here because of the congressional 521 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: protection offered for you know, like, yeah, I don't, I don't, 522 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: No one knows, No one knows. 523 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: Well. They could argue the second felony is federal in 524 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: some measure, could give them a jurisdictional hook to be 525 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: able to get it. But the thing to think about 526 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: is do you think Rachel Maddow and Joe Scarborough and 527 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: the MSNBC and the CNN base. Can you imagine their 528 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: reaction if Merchand came down after all of this and said, hey, 529 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to impose a monetary fine and you've got 530 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: to have probation for the next four months. They would 531 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: lose their minds. Yeah, they're demanding a pound of flesh 532 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: and they want Trump in prison. I'll be stunned if 533 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: that isn't the result that Judge Marchand gives down in 534 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: a few weeks. 535 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: We'll get some of your calls and vip emails here momentarily. 536 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: But you know, gun owners, I want to talk to 537 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: you about bar Creek Arsenal. You need to know about 538 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: Barck Creek Arsenal. They make incredible, high quality firearms at 539 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: unbeatable prices. I'm telling you this right now. I've got 540 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different guns before I knew of 541 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: Barack Creek Arsenal, and my last three guns have been 542 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: from Bear Creek. 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We got vip emails flooding in 561 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: here and Clay people fired up about our conversation yesterday 562 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: with our friend Pete HeiG Seth. Oh yeah, and let 563 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: let's just hop into it. I'm just this is what 564 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: our VIPs at Clanbuck dot com are telling us. Steve Wrights, gentlemen, 565 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: I saw Pete and his Princeton Tigers play in person 566 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: when I was in law school. They lost by thirty seven, 567 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: and I finally found the box score. What does that mean? 568 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: You don't know what a box score is? No, Oh 569 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: my god, this may be next level lack of sport. 570 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: The box score is just the statistical recapitulation of the game. 571 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: So it'd be like, hey, Buck, Sexton played eighteen minutes, 572 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, shot one for four from the field, two 573 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: points three rebounds. Like that's a recitation of the stats 574 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: that took place during the course of the game. I 575 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: can't believe you are not familiar with the phrase box score. 576 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: I learned something new today, Steve Wrights. I finally found 577 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: the box score. Heg Seth had two minutes and zero's 578 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: across the board. He does great work. It sounds like 579 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: his new book is a good read. Needless to say, 580 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm picking Caitlyn Clark. You guys do a great job. 581 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 5: Uh I think that's a little First of all, it 582 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 5: was one game, our man, heg Seth. You know, maybe 583 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 5: he didn get to burn, maybe he had did a 584 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 5: little bench forming that one game. But I don't think 585 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 5: we could judge the men's basketball prowess by not getting 586 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 5: much burn in that game. 587 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not fair. 588 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: We were texting with him last night and many of you. 589 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: I put up a poll and it was basically fifty 590 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: to fifty on who would win, Caitlyn Clark or Pete 591 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: hegg Seth from Fox and Friends. On my poll, your 592 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: poll was much more against him. But I think also 593 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: no one. 594 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: Voted on my poll. Apparently everyone follows me on twitters like, 595 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: stop talking about sports, what are you doing? 596 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, I think what you needed to add was 597 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 2: that he played college basketball, because I think people were 598 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: just like, oh, Pete hegg Seth, I see him on television, 599 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 2: you have no idea about his ability. But he was joking. 600 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: And it's true because I went back into the comments, 601 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 2: several of you did what this guy who wrote in did, 602 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: went and pulled his entire college basketball playing career to 603 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: reflect what point totals in minutes and everything else that 604 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: he did. And he thought that was very funny. He 605 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: was impressed with the diligence of the research from some 606 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 2: of you as a part of making your arguments. 607 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: Oh there's more, Steve, another VIP. I have to comment 608 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: on this subject, Pete. I'm six ' four in my 609 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: late fifties, played high school basketball back in the day. 610 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: That's not D one college. But all right, my daughter 611 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: is on a top elite youth basketball team and plays 612 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: for the same club that Caitlyn Clark played for All 613 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: Iowa Attack. I have to tell you, do not underestimate 614 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: how fast and strong even an eighth grader is. I 615 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: legitimately can no longer beat my eighth grade daughter. Caitlyn 616 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: Clark would destroy a forty two year old ex college 617 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: athlete like Pete. I'm sorry, Clay, but if your sixteen 618 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: year old cannot light you up in basketball, he needs 619 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: to consider another sport. WHOA This guy, Steve is throwing 620 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: punches well all over the place. Let me just tell 621 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: you there's no eighth grade girl on the planet who 622 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: would beat me. And I barely played like high school 623 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: club basketball. 624 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: That is the exact statement out. So the kid that 625 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: I play against is the seventh grader. My middle son, 626 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 2: he's thirteen, gonna be fourteen in an eighth grade this 627 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: you know when this summer is over. I agree with Buck. 628 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 2: I don't think there's an eighth grade girl in America 629 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 2: who could beat me in a one on one basketball game. 630 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: I remember a long time ago I got out of 631 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: trouble because I said that if there was no striking allowed, 632 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: I'd be able to wrestle, like who's the big female 633 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: MMA superstar Ronda Rousey? Ronde Rousi. I was like, I could, 634 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: I could definitely like wrestle her to the ground and 635 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: like probably pin her. And everyone was like no, they 636 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: flipped out of me. I was like, I think she 637 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: weighs one hundred and thirty pounds. 638 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 2: I have said this. I've met Ronda Rousey. She put 639 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 2: me in an arm bar in the Fox Sports green room. 640 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: I think that Ronda Rowsey would beat me up. I 641 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: think she would put a hold on me. I am 642 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 2: six foot point eight five ish. I think she would 643 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 2: put a hold on me, and I would submit, I'm 644 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: not gonna get my arm broken, and I'm I'm gonna 645 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: be like I'm. 646 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: Out like to ten and maybe I'd have to pull 647 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: some sumo moves here. 648 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean you've been trained in. 649 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done a lot of hand to hand s. Yes, 650 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: I could probably bench like, oh god, I can't. I'm 651 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: not gonna be the ready. 652 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you be? 653 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: Right? 654 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: What do you binch? 655 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 4: No? 656 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't do that. I can't 657 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: do that right now. People are gonna make fun. They're 658 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: gonna say, come on. 659 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: No way, so meaning it's too high or too low. 660 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: Some people would mock it for being preposterous, and some 661 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,479 Speaker 1: people say you can't bench that much. So I lose 662 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: either way. 663 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I I could binch. I got up 664 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 2: to two fifty and what was I was two twenty five? 665 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: Multiple times? I did twenty five? Uh, probably about five 666 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: or six years ago. I'm an old man now, but 667 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 2: that's that's what they rep at the NFL to do 668 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: a video for charity to prove what's possible here.