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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hey, not dead yet, not dead yet soon, maybe not

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Speaker 2: dead yet. Hi. Everyone, It's the twenty second of January

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and it is time for episode apparently

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Speaker 2: five point thirty eight of Morning Combat. My name is

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of the

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Speaker 2: Status Nidos right here in Washington, d C. Joined by

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Speaker 2: my friend who is the King of Connecticut. Got a

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Speaker 2: lot of nicknames, not one of them fits, but people

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Speaker 2: love them just the same. It's Brian Campbellhi, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Well, look that that love and you're talking about has

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Speaker 3: certainly been questioned this week. Oh you know, I think

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Speaker 3: I think it's become hate in a few circles. But

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Speaker 3: you know what, people have been.

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Speaker 2: Calling you some real not nice names this week. Not

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Speaker 2: I mean, the shoe has been on the other foot.

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Speaker 3: Was my face and image put in the same meme

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Speaker 3: as Hitler at some point this week? Yes, Unfortunately that

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Speaker 2: What a week it was, What a week it was,

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Speaker 2: What a weekend it was. We're all on the heels

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Speaker 2: here in this Monday edition of Morning Combat. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, thank you so much for joining us. We

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Speaker 2: get to everything. UFC two ninety seven. The entire show

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Speaker 2: UFC two ninety seven, give me a grade on not

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Speaker 2: so much? The card your experience? What kind of experience

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Speaker 2: did you have watching it?

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Speaker 3: Experience? That's an interesting question in old ones since the

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Speaker 3: main event didn't start until one am. Luke and suddenly

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Speaker 3: I'm doing podcasts and post fight columns half delirious in

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Speaker 3: credit to the middleweights in that main event. That was

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Speaker 3: a not great but a very good fight, and it had,

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Speaker 3: luke because of the flat tire or that co main event.

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Speaker 3: More on that to come, but uh, yeah, I thought

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Speaker 3: the card underachieved in a lot of ways. You know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's what happens when when a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a lot to get to on today's show.

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Speaker 2: But the I will say comments yesterday well after the fight.

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Speaker 2: He didn't like that one, and BC, my thought is this, okay,

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Speaker 3: Just get well. I don't mean to completely you know,

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Speaker 3: was fiddling around the radio, going, kids, I'm not dropping

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: Guess what song came on next, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to guess, Hey, Mickey, you're so fine.

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Speaker 3: How about No, No, No, No Shimmer by Fuel Luke, And

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you one of the worst, one of the

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Speaker 2: Just when I thank you, Luke.

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Speaker 3: She does drink the champagne drink. I mean, it's such

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Speaker 3: a great song in a shitty, horrible, regrettable rock era.

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Speaker 3: So shut out the shut out the fuel there all right.

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Speaker 2: I once listened to a radio show. I don't remember where.

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Speaker 2: Listen? I don't know if that was early era fake news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Didn't him and Kid Rock do like the

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Speaker 3: I don't hope that sounds interesting. Look, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: Our son, I was in college. Girls Gone Wild was

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Speaker 2: That's the funny part about BC, Like we're revisiting all

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Speaker 2: All right? BC? With that in mind, let's start with

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Speaker 2: Here BC drinckis dupless scores a split decision victory over

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Speaker 2: even if you mix it up. And DDP went six

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Speaker 2: He's just hard to hold to take down. He's hard

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Speaker 2: Against DDP. It went pretty well, It went pretty pretty

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Speaker 3: His look look at Ddp's face. That'll tell you how

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Speaker 2: Now, that's partly a lot of the jab too. I'm

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Speaker 2: the most memorable striking offense from this fight? It's probably

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Speaker 2: Strickland's jab and that teep kick, especially early in that

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Speaker 2: it's not enough. It's not enough. It did lump up

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Speaker 2: It's a fistfight for twenty five minutes. You're gonna get

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to stop you there that upon further review,

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Speaker 2: He got hit there subsequent to that, and I think

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Speaker 3: And I thought that was always going to be the

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Speaker 3: But to Strickland's credits, I started off giving the winner

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Speaker 3: from that Poeton fight and while yes, to your point,

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Speaker 3: But man, I do look, Lukes, obviously I'm separating Sean

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if you've got

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Speaker 3: new demeanor in the cage. That's not the reckless guy

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00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 3: that walked into Poton's left hook. It's just not the

433
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 3: same guy anymore. So it's not yeah, I really it is.

434
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 2: He has the last like two years or so, maybe

435
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 2: a little longer than that, but two years. He's really

436
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 2: leveled up, really leveled up. He is in a massive group.

437
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 2: And it gets me to my other point about Sean Strickland.

438
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 2: I want to talk about DP just a moment. I

439
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 2: know you already have, but I have a few extra thoughts.

440
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: But lastly, on Sean Strickland, I mean, I don't know

441
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 2: how again, tell me how you felt after the fights

442
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 2: we see. But I was like, okay, well again this

443
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 2: is in real time. I was like, all right, he

444
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 2: didn't win. It was very close. It was a split decision.

445
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 2: He bleeding, but he didn't take a beating exactly. He

446
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 2: got cut up in a normal sort of fist fight

447
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 2: way for MMA purposes. I'm in no way of the

448
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,919
Speaker 2: belief that like that's his last title fight. He is

449
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 2: just thirty three. In February, we just talked about how

450
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: he lead. His defense is if he can tighten up

451
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: some of the other parts. Dude, he's going to be

452
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 2: right back here again, perhaps multiple times. I think his

453
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 2: future is still quite bright.

454
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 3: Do you think he goes the route of sort of

455
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: right back into a number one contender type fight, think

456
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 3: of like a hamzat CHAMAIAV. Considering like, look, there were

457
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 3: references on the broadcast last night that Sean was getting

458
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor level pops. Now that felt in the moment,

459
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 3: like that's not true. Yeah, that's note, But dude, he

460
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: certainly grabbed the attention of the audience and and claimed it.

461
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 3: Like we can't argue that good, bad, or worse indifferent anyway,

462
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 3: Like it's true. I would think that's more like like

463
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 3: if he lost this fight disastrously, if he had gotten

464
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 3: stopped in the in you know, the first three rounds,

465
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 3: I'm thinking he's going Colby after this, right, I'm thinking

466
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 3: he's going more of how can I stay in the limelight,

467
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: make the most money, get into a trash talk war

468
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: with somebody. But to your point, you're right, he's still

469
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 3: in this title picture. He will fight for another title.

470
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 3: There's still business of him rematching. Is he for the

471
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: belt or not? Eventually so I'd love to see the

472
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: matchups we haven't seen yet, whether that's the winner of

473
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 3: whittak Er Coasta, whether that's Hamza. You think he's going

474
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: right back into a title contender type fight. I think

475
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Speaker 3: he will.

476
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Speaker 2: Look I think, you know, Sean was pretty clear about

477
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 2: what he wanted as champion, which was a big fat check.

478
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously some of that when you become

479
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: champion or not, a lot of that is fixed in

480
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: terms of what you're going to get. I think, you know,

481
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 2: he likes to stay busy. I honestly feel like if

482
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: he wanted to fight and they offered him like a

483
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: decent guy, top ten of the APEX, he would take it.

484
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: If they offered him Hamzat, he'd take it. I really don't.

485
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say he's not discriminating at all, but

486
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: he's not as discriminating as other guys I think in

487
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: his position might be for better or for worse in

488
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: terms of which opponents he'll select to stay yes or no,

489
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: say yes or no to. I mean, he said yes

490
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: to abuzbeger Madoff not too long ago, you know what

491
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean. Granted that that was an advantageous one, but a

492
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: lot of guys would be like, as I don't want

493
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: to cut wait for it, it's a waste of time

494
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 2: or whatever. He was like, no, I'll take it. So

495
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like, as long as he

496
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: wants to take it and it's available, I don't I

497
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: would not imagine he's going to be super selective about it.

498
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Speaker 3: I'll say this. You wouldn't have anyone ever be like, yeah,

499
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 3: I gotta see Canon Near versus Shan Strickland a second time,

500
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: But you'd have to believe that's a different fight the

501
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 3: second time, right, A much different.

502
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: Probably probably a better fight than the last time. I'll

503
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: say that I don't know about much different because Seawn's

504
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: style does. I mean, Sean made DDP look more like

505
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: I should say this, even if DDP won, he looked

506
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 2: less like himself in this fight than he did in

507
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: the Robert Whittaker fight that felt more like a DDP performance.

508
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: This one did as well. But Shawn's defense has a

509
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: way of just casting, and this is to his benefit,

510
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: casting like a shadow over the entire fight that you've

511
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: got to kind of fight in his darkness all the time.

512
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: And so for that reason, you know, I I there's

513
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: we should appreciate those differences. I guess is what I'm

514
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: a I have a question.

515
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: About Strickland before we get too far ahead here. There's

516
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: there was a big narrative that they said on the

517
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: broadcast a lot about how his love to spar is

518
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: what he feels that keeps him sharp. He's in there

519
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: constantly fighting in practice, which has been against the grain

520
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: to the new developing brain health way of thinking of

521
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same idea and practice when your

522
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: quarterback would wear a red jersey and you wouldn't put

523
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: him through extra sacks right that you wouldn't want to

524
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: get him injured. Do you think this starts a trend?

525
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: Do you think there's an advantage there that that if

526
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: you have a style that's not going to welcome unnecessary

527
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 3: training camp damage, that there is something to staying that sharp,

528
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: being constantly in that chaos, because that's the secret sauce

529
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: of what makes Strickland elite. He can walk downstand right

530
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: in front of you, and you know, swim without getting

531
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: wet against some super elite and established strikers. Do you

532
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: see that being a momentumus type idea in the future.

533
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: I suspect you'll see some principles or individual tactics of

534
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: what Strickland does with his defense taken and borrowed by others,

535
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: but wholesale, no, I mean for starters. You know. Part

536
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: of the reason why I think Sean struggles with having

537
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: really big offense. Again, his defenses just lights out excellent,

538
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: but in terms of having you know, great offense, I

539
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: think part of the reason why he struggles is that

540
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: style demands a trade off. Right there. It's hard to

541
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: be offensive when you're that defensively backing up all the

542
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: time and worried about what everyone else is doing. It's

543
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: just hard to get going, which is why the jab

544
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: is really important weapon form and that pushkick, but not

545
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: a whole lot else. I think that's one criticism I

546
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: would have. The second one is I think part of

547
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: the reason why his style looks the way that it

548
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: looks is just partly his psychological makeup. He likes to spar,

549
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: he likes to be in the gym. By the way,

550
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: some guys and we don't really have nearly enough conversation

551
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 2: about this, but there is wide disparity in terms of

552
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: people's tolerance to injury and how injury risk verse they are,

553
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: and how injury resistant their bodies naturally are. There's a

554
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: lot that goes into that. Teann might be one of

555
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: these guys who's just an iron man that just doesn't

556
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: get injured in the same kind of way. So he

557
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: can go to sparring more often and make that really

558
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: work for him in ways that people. Other people just

559
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: cannot do stuff like that, no matter how much they

560
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: wanted to. And I think the last thing I'd say

561
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: is about his style again, dude's I was amazed watching

562
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: what he would do, and I'm so glad you brought

563
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: it up. It's not just up here, the checking that

564
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: he would be doing with his let I mean, it

565
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: was incredible how much he shut a lot of that down.

566
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: But dude, that takes a long time to fine tune that,

567
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And you got to you

568
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: have to go through a lot of rounds of sparring

569
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: to be able to build that kind of awareness and anticipation.

570
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: Part of the reason why he can get out of

571
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 2: the way so often is he tends to know what

572
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: combos guys are gonna throw in what kind of sequences

573
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: because he's seen it so many times. His level of

574
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: anticipation has gotten better. But dude, that's a lot of

575
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: work you gotta do to build up a style that way.

576
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: I just tend to think it's great that we have

577
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: a fighter in MMA during the fights that can do

578
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: stuff like this, But I don't think it's a very

579
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: copyable style. For those reasons.

580
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's a credit to the type of fighter who

581
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: didn't come in as a hot prospect, and I don't

582
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: think people realize And I forgot about it until I

583
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: was doing research on Strickland for some pre fight stories

584
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: one of the UFC for ten full years, ten years,

585
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: ten years, he's been in different divisions, He's taken big

586
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: l's against elite names like he's had to constantly go

587
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 3: back to the drawing board and to the spirit of

588
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: your point about the hard sparring and stuff. Not everybody

589
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: can take those kind of l's and keep putting their

590
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: nose down and getting better. Not everybody can physically, you know,

591
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 3: endure that type of thing and keep getting better. This

592
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: guy has really put in the time to his craft

593
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: and to have found the right coach and the right

594
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: gym at the right time. So yeah, I give him

595
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: a lot of credit, even if he came up empty

596
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: in a fight that I thought he won, but dude,

597
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: DDP raised the same bar as we talked about, because

598
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: if he didn't, he wouldn't like he wouldn't have been

599
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: able to land on Sean. And I think ultimately, although

600
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: although the takedowns helped, he did seem to lend the

601
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: bigger shots when they were sort of trading, and I

602
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: feel like that's what gave the judges the you know,

603
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: the nod for the edge there to DDP, he mixed

604
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: hit the technique.

605
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: I went through, let's let's switch gears here to just

606
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: finish off with if we can on DDP. I I

607
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: really admired his effort in this one. So like, obviously

608
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: you have to just sort of figure out what was

609
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: he able to get from each particular stance, and he

610
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: couldn't get a necessarily early a whole lot going from Orthodox.

611
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: The late kicks were shut down, the jab overhand was

612
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: shut down, so he began to then switch to South

613
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: Paul and that was a big win for him. The

614
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: body kicks PC. And if that's one criticism I would

615
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: have of Sean Strickland, it's like, I know he would

616
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: have like the teaps to the gut sometimes and the

617
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: teaps up to the midsection, but those are more about

618
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: stopping forward pressure. I mean they don't feel great obviously,

619
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna do with like a roundhouse kick

620
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: up underneath your elbow to the inside of the ribcage

621
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: is gonna do. And DDP had a fair number of those, right,

622
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: just sort of willing to be in the line of fire,

623
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: which he would in order to land stuff like that.

624
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: Plus he would then switch and then into overhand, or

625
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: he would double switch into overhand. He eventually found ways,

626
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: or he would double switch into overhand then leg kick.

627
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: He just kept swinging the axe in ways in which

628
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: he just would find whatever opening he basically could, and

629
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: it really worked out for him. This is what I'm

630
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: amazed about with DDP. I was like, if Sean ends

631
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: up defining how the fight kind of looks by slowing

632
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: it down and frustrating him in the way they did

633
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: against Iszy, I don't know if DDP can win. And again,

634
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: upon second review, I've already said in a million times

635
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: I had Sean winning, but in real time, and again,

636
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: the fight's very close. I mean, this is obviously still

637
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: quite debatable. He just seemed to want like it almost

638
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: looked like he wanted it more, which I know is

639
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: not a fair way to judge it. I'm simply just

640
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: remarking as a person who saw it the constant. He

641
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: was the one pushing into Sean and trying and trying

642
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: and trying, and then he'd have these bursts where stuff

643
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: would land. I really admire the level of dedication, so

644
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: to speak about not being frustrated. Again. Yeah, if you

645
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: had told me it was gonna look like this BC,

646
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: I would have thought Sean was gonna win no matter what.

647
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: But it was actually DDP that did enough to convince

648
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: the judges to get his hand raised. I don't know

649
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: how much I learned other than could he problem solve

650
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: just enough to get the win over a very difficult

651
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: defense to conquer? Turns out he did. I didn't know

652
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: if he had any and he does, and.

653
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: They both had to make the adjustments. And that's when

654
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: you know you've got a very good title fight. And

655
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: it was right. One more thing on DDP that I

656
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: love Luke. He just and I think this is the

657
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: reason why at the beginning I thought he was too

658
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: big for his breeches when he would grab the microphone

659
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: after an early win and say remember my name, you know,

660
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: Drake is DUPLESSI you're gonna be saying it a lot,

661
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, big strong, blowhard, like let's

662
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: see what you got in there first. But Luke, I

663
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: say that to show he carried himself as a champion

664
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: from the beginning, and there is something to that. There

665
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: is an extreme level of battle tested confidence that Dracus

666
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Duples brought into the octagon when he first started without

667
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: you know, I want to say, without having that same

668
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 3: requisite experience. But he did start young on the you know,

669
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: the regional scene in South Africa and was a very

670
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: accomplished two division champion early in his rise, So I

671
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: get where that would come from. But like, mentally, you've

672
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: got to be insanely tough to be able, to be

673
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: long suffering to make those adjustments that win these type

674
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: of close championship fights. So I like the way you

675
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: said it that you were impressed with his want, with

676
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: his will. He's always impressed me with that. Initially, it

677
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: annoyed me. Now that I figured it out, now that

678
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: I kind of get it, and I think Daniel Cormier

679
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: kind of gave the same rant during the broadcast, so

680
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: it was sort of like, you know, I didn't get

681
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: this guy at first. I think it's easy to miss

682
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 3: some of that, but some of those intangible areas, Man,

683
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: does he have it locked down? Yes, he has the

684
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: air of I was supposed to be here, I belong here.

685
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you ever look postly, Luke

686
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: at when they show like beside he's got these gnarly

687
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: scars near his ear on the side of his face.

688
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: I mean that leads me to believe it's like, you know,

689
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: in the nineties, if somebody walked into your town with

690
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: a neck tat, you're like, Oh, that guy's came directly

691
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: from the pen. I'm not messing with him in the

692
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: outdoor pickup game. He might be packing. That's what I

693
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: saw on the side of the GDP's face. Like, Oh,

694
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: those scars have a story to tell, Luke.

695
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: They probably do. I doubt it's a very happy one,

696
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: but I don't I genuinely don't know the answer to that.

697
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: So, Okay, did you pop, Luke when you heard and

698
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing here John Jones get your shit together when

699
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: he called out Israel Adissonia.

700
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta tell you, I'm pretty excited. I hope

701
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: they make that fight now, whether it's UFC three hundred

702
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: or any other time, I don't know. I don't know

703
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: how that's going to go. I don't know what his

704
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: turnaround time is going to be, like God only knows.

705
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. Also, if they did make it for

706
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: the UFC three hundred Maine event, I'd be happy with that,

707
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: but I don't know if the rest of the fan

708
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: base wouldn't necessarily be as happy. So there's a oh,

709
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: they would, but maybe they would you think they would? Okay,

710
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: fair enough.

711
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 3: I think here's what I think. I think there are

712
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: divides in this base, no question. I think Sean has

713
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: taken over a lot of aspects of this fan base.

714
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: But I do think people really respect Dracus. But if

715
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: Dracus now goes in there against Adasanya, who's one of

716
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 3: Sean's biggest rivals and we just saw him audit him,

717
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: I think you're automatically going to get that fan base

718
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: leaning on DDP, which, along with his international fan base

719
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: coming from South Africa, has the chance to continue to

720
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: make him a star. But Luke, seriously, DDP versus out

721
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: of Sonya has to be one of the three or

722
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: four biggest fights they can make right now in terms

723
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: of like momentum, fan attention, elite skill, like this is

724
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: a this this became a big one, and I think

725
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: strickling against both of them in the future will also

726
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: be big. But this will be real big. I don't

727
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: know if that face can turn around that quick. How

728
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: where are we are? We three months out? Three months out?

729
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: Where it?

730
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: So?

731
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: What is it? Mid April? Basically a is UFC April? Yeah, yeah, So,

732
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean it's possible. It's possible. You could do it.

733
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: You could even you could even give him a little

734
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: bit of a breaking You could do it. I love

735
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: the fight. By the way, My only object at the

736
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: time when Sean beat is he was at okay. I

737
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: don't think is he deserves an automatic rematch because for recall,

738
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 2: he had lost to Panta, then he wins, and then

739
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: had lost again, so he had lost in two or

740
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: three fights. Obviously, he's an enormously successful middle weight. But

741
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, if you're losing that many times

742
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: in close succession, you might have to do a little

743
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: bit of work, or at a bare minimum weight. Right,

744
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 2: at a bare minimum weight he did. He waited, he waited,

745
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: and so here you have, now the champion call him out.

746
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: It's a fresh matchup, there's bad blood, it's an interesting

747
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: style clash too. And I saw a lot of people

748
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: very I guess I understand it. There were a lot

749
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: of people who after the fight were like, man, is

750
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: he's going to tune this guy up? And far be

751
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: it from me to discourage you from thinking that. I

752
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: also agree. But if there's one thing I've learned with

753
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: Drica says, you really would be wise to not count

754
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: out his decisions and his decision making and ultimately his success.

755
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: He didn't get to this position in any way by

756
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: total accident, although obviously some things have gone his way.

757
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is BC like

758
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: there were things like, oh, he got hit with the

759
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: jab in this fight. Yeah, he got hit with the

760
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: jab in this fight for reasons related to the fight

761
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: that may not relate to the next fight. Ye at all.

762
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: Could It's potentially possible. I'm just saying I would also

763
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: stand up versus stand up. I would favor Izzy, but

764
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: that can go wrong in a lot of ways. Don't

765
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: sleep on DDP. It's competitive, That's all I'm pointing out.

766
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you don't sleep on DDP.

767
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: You said it is, he would piece him up. We

768
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: got a lot of questions about is he not just

769
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to say the thirty five

770
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 3: and under rule because he's not with the jab, but like,

771
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: is he's not stopping that that double leg blast every

772
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: single time? Luke, He's just not. He's just not.

773
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I don't think he is. Yeah,

774
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: strong takedowns, yes.

775
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: So here's the deal, is he does have good takedown defense.

776
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: Can is he get up though? With DDP on top

777
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: of him? That's my question, you know what I'm saying,

778
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: Can he consistently get up? I don't know. You didn't

779
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: against Yan that different fight, are a different situation, different division.

780
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: But also DDP is a submission threat DDP or at

781
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: least even if he doesn't really go through with it,

782
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: he can lock up you know, Dars's or whatever to

783
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: at least make you have to work at it, which

784
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: can then keep you underneath longer. And he does have

785
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: both guard passing as we've seen against Robert Whitaker and

786
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: good ground and pound. Loves to move to mount like

787
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: that's a real fight. That is he's got on his hands,

788
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: make no mistake about it.

789
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: And Is he came out on YouTube since that call

790
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: out from Drakis and basically congratulated him for becoming the

791
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: fourth African champion. Had a couple comments that made it

792
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: seem like he was just trying to put him back

793
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: in his place, but he gave him his respect. But

794
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: he closed it with saying that like, yeah, I respect you,

795
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: but it's not going to stop me from coming after

796
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: that ass. So whatever the idea was that Izz he

797
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: was going to take two years off or whatever we

798
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: thought at some points based on things he said, Luke,

799
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: business wise, now would be the time for him to

800
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: come back with with hot opponents right now. But also

801
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: it could be the three hundred main event. I mean

802
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: it could be. If not, then UFC's got another anchor

803
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: to put a top of any pay per view and

804
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: that's good news. But Is he's gonna have a lot

805
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: of questions, man, because don't we can't like also these

806
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: two fights in succession. Man, we talked about how much

807
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: DDP keeps level and up. How does he level up

808
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: from this one? Luke, you know what I mean? It

809
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: might be to a next level. So that's gonna be

810
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: a hot fight. Man, that's gonna be a very, very

811
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: hot one. I want to see.

812
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought it was gonna be homs

813
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 2: versus DDP. For my prediction on the air, is gonna

814
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: be that as crazy? I guess we'll see.

815
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll be asking you who does Homsop fight next?

816
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: Is it Strickland is a cannoneer? Is it? What do

817
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: he got? Is it a veteran another?

818
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: I really don't. It's a great question. I don't know

819
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: what the fuck they're gonna do with him. I don't

820
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: know where he can travel to. I don't know where

821
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: he can't travel to. I mean, I'm not I'm doing

822
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: a bit here, Like the fact that the guy does

823
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: business with KADIRV probably makes him ineligible to return to

824
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: this country. I don't. I don't know that, but I'm

825
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: fairly certain that that's now the rule.

826
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: That's not Dana's rule, that's the US government's rule.

827
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: And have the governments like, well, you can't do business

828
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: with us if you're gonna do business with him, basically,

829
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: and so I don't really know what's gonna happen with that.

830
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: So if they have in other words, if they have

831
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: to wait until they're gonna go to Europe, they're going

832
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: to wait until they're going to go to somewhere in

833
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: the Middle East. That dictates who's going to be available

834
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: at that time. That makes it even harder to know.

835
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't really know what the answer is.

836
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: I want here's what I want them to do, and

837
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: it may not work, but I would like to have

838
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 3: the next time the middleweight title is contested, that the

839
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: comin event would be essentially a number one contender middleweight

840
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: fight because that group is getting so hot. Roman deals

841
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: in there like this, you know, Brendan Allen, I mean,

842
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: this is a fun ass mix of fight. Mean, Paul Craigs,

843
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: Paul Kraigen there too, but there's a fun ass mix

844
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: of fighters here. I want to start seeing these as

845
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: the featured pay per view main and comines Luke in

846
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: this middleweight division because it's getting fun. It's get are

847
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: you getting that itch? I'm getting that itch luking it.

848
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: It's not because I need to wash my ass. That's

849
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: not the situation.

850
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: It is because I need to wash my ass. I

851
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: really did not do an appropriate job, and here I

852
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: am doing the wiggle butt BC before we move on

853
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: from this. This is the only time we're going to

854
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: address this. There was obviously just a shit ton of

855
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: controversy last week, some of which came your way. So

856
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: I guess I'll just give you the floor here just

857
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: a little bit before we move on to the comin event,

858
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: which I know everyone is very excited to talk about.

859
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: I'll ask you very simply, what lesson, if any, is

860
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: there about last week's controversy.

861
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a lesson, I will say, yeah,

862
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: thanks all the MK fans, the people that didn't need

863
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: you but kind of came out and were like, you know,

864
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: BC's hang in there, stand by. Not that I needed it,

865
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: but dude, I got I got attacked. I mean, now

866
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: I know what you go through when you when you

867
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: uh you know, would stand on your own beliefs in

868
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: certain categories too. But I think that I was most

869
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: disappointed by the amount of aggressively, hateful, crazy people that

870
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: came after me, but also how many people were framing

871
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: this whole situation only from a political standpoint, where like

872
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: I've got to say that I can't say this enough, like, yes,

873
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: there's elements of politics in here, but My outrage with

874
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: the situation is not about the politics. Like I don't

875
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: care about Sean Strickland's take on these categories. I get

876
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: that they're important. You know, I may agree or disagree

877
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: with parts of it, but that wasn't even my focus.

878
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: My focus was twofold one. The way that he talked

879
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: to journalists k Lee and the way you know, I mean, look,

880
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: you know, calling anyone weak for saying they would love

881
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: their gay child like that, that's just that's hate speech.

882
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: That's not politics, that's freaking like, that's we don't need

883
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 3: that in MMA, mixed with the idea that UFC has

884
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: just completely become a no rules, you know, freedom area

885
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: where Unfortunately, when you're gonna push stuff like that, and

886
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: when just three years ago, Dana is gonna be like

887
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: politics and sports have no mix, you'll never see that

888
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: on a UFC broadcast. All those woke athletes in the

889
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: NBA and NFL, and unfortunately, look, a lot of people

890
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: came after me going, oh, we never knew before you

891
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: were a fake Christian and a liberal and a libtard

892
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: and all these you know, I mean, dude, they were

893
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: putting me in Hitler means like it was really out

894
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: of control. But like my response each time was like

895
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: I could give a damn about the political debate of it,

896
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: Like you can have that on political debate shows. I'm

897
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: just saying we don't need that on ESPN or UFC channels,

898
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: and all people going what about the journalists? Let me

899
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 3: say this first and foremost, the journalist asked a question

900
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: that was important to him. You could say he had

901
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: an agenda. Maybe maybe it was a loaded question, but

902
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: he was repeeding back to Sean prior difficult and controversial

903
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: statements that Shawn had said, which now that Sean was

904
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: a champion, and this is how it was framed. Yet

905
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: he gave him a platform to basically, you know, change

906
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: his mind, explain it further, declined to answer, but instead

907
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: Sean took that platform and attacked him. And I thought

908
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 3: it was classless, and I thought, we don't we don't

909
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: need that, and you know, look, look like I don't

910
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: need to share this info, but like, if you care,

911
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: you know, I've been born again Christian since two thousand

912
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: and three. I've been a registered Republican since nineteen ninety six.

913
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: But like I'm sick of people using either of those

914
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: two categories as a way to mask bigotry and hatred

915
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: in the way that they talk about others. I don't

916
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: agree with everything out there, like you know, whether it's

917
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: laws or people's needs, but I do agree about love

918
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: and empathy and treating others the way that they deserve

919
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: to be treated. And we're just going so far into

920
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: that other direction with the UFC. And it's not about

921
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: like up, stop whining they can say bad things to

922
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: each other. It's not even about that. This was just

923
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: too far. You know, when you see it, when you

924
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: smell it, you know it it's too far. This was

925
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: bullshit and too far. And I don't not to say

926
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: people need to be muzzled, but like there is a

927
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: cost when stuff's just allowed to be said. And for

928
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: anyone saying, what about your beloved NFL and NBA guys,

929
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: First of all, I don't watch the NBA in NFL.

930
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: Second of all, I don't think there should be politics

931
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: pushed on that screen either my personal opinion, and I

932
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 3: certainly don't think it should be pushed through my UFC

933
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 3: screen either. Again, you want to go debate that stuff

934
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: and watch it, go to your political channels, and you know,

935
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: I know you guys can come back and say, well,

936
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: do what you guys saying this and that about the

937
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: pandemic During the pandemic, we may have, But in general,

938
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: I know if we speak too much politics on here

939
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: where they do, it pisses off our audience because people

940
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: are obviously divided. I don't want that shit pushed through

941
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: the screen on UFC. And it's not the journalist's fault.

942
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: Sean can speak for himself. You can't just go, oh,

943
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: what do you think when you put a mic in

944
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: front of a fighter? Guys, it's not two thousand and

945
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: four anymore. It's not nineteen ninety six. It's twenty twenty four.

946
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: So there is a responsibility when you represent a company,

947
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: when you represent ESPN by fighting on their network, and

948
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: when you're just gonna act like there's no rules and

949
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: consequences and just shit on people, that's not cool to me.

950
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: That's not cool to me at all. So you know

951
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: you want to see me in real life. I'll debate

952
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: politics with you all day, but I don't really talk

953
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: about it on the show because we're talking about life

954
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: and we're talking about combat sports. So when it crosses

955
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: over and bleeds like that, yeah, like you know, you've

956
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: stood up for things you believed in the past, for

957
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: better or worse. And I'm gonna, you know, know my

958
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: role and my responsibility with whatever platform I'm afforded and

959
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: try to do the same thing. But if you're gonna

960
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: speak like that, unfollow me, please, like get all you know,

961
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: get away from me, please, because that's that's bullshit. Like

962
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: we're past that in this society, I thought, but apparently not.

963
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: So that's my soapbox two cents, Luke, you know what

964
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: I mean, because it's about people at the end of

965
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: the day. And you know, and my friend, I'll call

966
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: my friend lead singer of Portugal, the man John Baldwin Gorly.

967
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: He always tells me, Luke it we're all in this together.

968
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: And that's that's the true fact, dude, whether we're podcaster

969
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 3: or podcast e fighter fan journalists like, have a little

970
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: decorum here to try to read the room and realize

971
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: where we're at. And uh, it was it was disappointing

972
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: to see because I come from boxing, Luke, which and

973
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: I've been coming from boxing on the national level for

974
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: fifteen years now and boxing is a dark, dark, dark place,

975
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: and MMA right now is a lot grosser, and I

976
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: don't say that with much grosser. It's a lot grosser.

977
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: And which is which is saying something boxing is filthy?

978
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's the worst in many ways. I wouldn't

979
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: add much BC. I think it's a heartfelt message. People

980
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: can take it however they want, and they will. The

981
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: only thing I would add is this one thing that

982
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: just sort of keeps coming up about this that just

983
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: drives me a little bit. I just don't understand it,

984
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: which is when people are like, oh, well, this is

985
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: a free speech issue, and I'm like, guys, you either

986
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: have to be the most gullible human alive or you

987
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: have to think that everyone else is the most gullible

988
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: human alive in order to say something like that. So

989
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: Islam Makatschev not just really one of their champions, but

990
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: one of their better ones. It makes a statement, a

991
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian statement. I think, not his last fight, the

992
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: one before, I think the first Vulk fight, but whatever

993
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: it was, it makes a pro Palestinian message. These are

994
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: people that were up until recently, more than one hundred

995
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: and fifty children were being killed a day. Twenty five

996
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: thousand people have died in three months. They're being slaughtered.

997
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: Even just saying that, by the way, could potentially get

998
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: any kind of pro Palestinian advocacy in the media will

999
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: get you in trouble virtually. Anyway, he doesn't do any

1000
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: of that. He just gives a message of solidarity and

1001
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: they cut it out on their official channel when they

1002
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: rebroadcasted his message. So like, first of all, they are

1003
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: frankly and a matter of factly edited and censored his

1004
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: speech in solidarity of a people being killed left and right, right,

1005
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: So let's just understand what that's all about. And again

1006
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: that's their right to do that as well. They have

1007
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: control of these mechanisms. But you do not get to

1008
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: lecture me or anybody else about the necessities of free

1009
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: speech when a fighter reaches out to the world of

1010
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: some of the most aggrieved people on the planet currently

1011
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: and that message is not fit for at least to

1012
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: the wider public. Please be serious with me, That's the

1013
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: first thing I would say.

1014
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: Right, And look, really, I don't know if people want

1015
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: me to say this, they'll be upset about it. But

1016
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: ESPN needs a backbone in this situation.

1017
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: Please, I don't know what they're doing either. I don't

1018
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: know what they're doing either. But people think that we

1019
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: object to the airing of the viewpoints, I really actually don't.

1020
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, no one on this show has

1021
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: ever called to find him, find anyone to lose their job.

1022
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: We never do any of that. But we just have

1023
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: a right to say what we want to say about it,

1024
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: as does anybody else. And I hope that folks who

1025
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: are at least semi rational and above can understand something

1026
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: like that. But let's just be very clear, they will

1027
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: censor your speech if they feel like they need to.

1028
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: More to the point, you do not know how many

1029
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: fighters I talk to on a regular basis, off the

1030
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: record or whatever, who feel like there could be a

1031
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: retribution for Frank commentary about the UFC, And you could

1032
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: even say, oh, that's just their imagination. It might be,

1033
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: but the fact that there is that kind of self

1034
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: censorship going on indicates perhaps a wider climate in the sport.

1035
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: But what really it all comes down to is this

1036
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: is just about making sure that one these guys don't

1037
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: turn into employees because you're not enforcing the code of

1038
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: conduct right because if you do that, then it changes

1039
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: the equation potentially between independent contractor and employee and it's

1040
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: also about just creating a culture of not having to

1041
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: ever be accountable for anything you say or do. And

1042
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: you might say, well, what should he be accountable for

1043
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: what he's saying? Not? Maybe nothing, maybe other than just

1044
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: commenting on this, but Dana going out there and being

1045
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: like you know, and again his wife was involved as well.

1046
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: It was a mutual affair in that regard, but there

1047
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: was no real consequence to it. It's enforcing that as

1048
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: the broad mechanism and play here, right, that's really that's

1049
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: really what this is all about. So here's my point.

1050
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: Say what you guys want to say. I think BC,

1051
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: I think trying to fight it. I'm not saying it's

1052
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: not there's no point in it. But they clearly we

1053
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: were in Canada and they're doing let's go Biden chance

1054
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: and Biden wasn't even in the fucking room. Like these

1055
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: are people that make culture war identity part of their

1056
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: personality upfront, and again that's their choice. I'm just saying, please, guys,

1057
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm forty four years old, BC, and I have watched

1058
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: the world litigate all these questions only for another generation

1059
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: to come back and like, let's relitigate them all again.

1060
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: You do not need to sell this on the lie

1061
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: that it's about free speech, it's about anything, but that

1062
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: just have the intellectual honesty to say as much.

1063
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: That's my only regret right and and that's my fear

1064
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: for the way the UFC has been run. I'm trying

1065
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: to think about what's the turning point? Is the turning

1066
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: point getting bought out by Endeavor and and and you know,

1067
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: escalating the financial lives of people like Dana to a

1068
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: whole new level. I don't know, but ever since the

1069
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: Connor Dolly incident, it's as if there are no rules.

1070
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: And the reason why I think that's dangerous is not

1071
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: because I'm trying to be a parent, critic, outspoken soapboxer.

1072
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: It's because when you have an environment with no rules,

1073
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: the escalation of that is going to be too far

1074
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: and it's going to damage the sport. And Luke, you

1075
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: said it to me offline. What if a white fighter

1076
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: comes out and uses the N word, is they're going

1077
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: to go it's freedom of speech. They can say whatever

1078
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: he wants. No, that's that's that's that's that's death to

1079
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: your brand, to your sponsors, to your network, to your everything.

1080
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: And also it's death to the platform you have and

1081
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: the message that you're allowing to be put out there.

1082
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: So it's a lot of this was also me looking

1083
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: at the state of journalism, which isn't strong, seeing how

1084
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: much it's getting marginalized, and seeing how publicly journalists in

1085
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: general were the enemy because of this situation. When I

1086
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: ask you if Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady or Lebron

1087
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 3: James are insert athlete says anything controversially publicly, you assume

1088
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna come to the next press conference and not

1089
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: be asked about it, Like, are you kidding me? Are

1090
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: they gonna go? Well, you already knew Lebron's thoughts on that,

1091
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: so good luck trying to ask him on that. No,

1092
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: you're doing your job. And I know that, Like, there

1093
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: is a big influencer culture in MMA, and I'm not

1094
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: looking at this from the Oh, those guys are just jealous.

1095
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: They're losing their control. No, we're pivoting through a tough

1096
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: you know, part of this industry's history, like a lot

1097
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: of people. But good good for those influence answers that

1098
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: are turning you know, making business and doing that. But

1099
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: let's not shit on the need for journalism and completely

1100
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 3: move it out of the building, because what you're gonna

1101
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: have is going to be a one sided echo chamber.

1102
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: And again, three years ago, Danna didn't want politics and

1103
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 3: sports at all, And now we are televising Trump's walk

1104
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: from the locker room to the chair at the front row,

1105
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: and we did a documentary about it. Like, I'm just saying, like,

1106
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: we're going in aggressive different directions here. If you want

1107
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: your broadcast filled with politics, and if your politics aligns

1108
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: with it, then I'm sure you have no problem with it.

1109
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: But what are we doing? That's my question? You know,

1110
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: all right?

1111
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: Fair enough with that in mind, let's move on to

1112
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: happier topics. You have seen two ninety seven's co main event. Okay, BC,

1113
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: what the hell do we say about this? So again,

1114
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: Raquel Pennington. She wins a unanimous decision victory over my

1115
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: Rabino Silva. She becomes the new bantamweight champion BC. My question,

1116
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you this way, if you're Valentina Schevchenko,

1117
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: do you feel like you can take this belt whenever

1118
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: you want?

1119
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: Right now? I would feel like and people are upset

1120
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: at some of the comments I made, and I'll addrest that,

1121
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: but right now, I feel like anyone can, whether it's

1122
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: Valentina coming up from one to twenty five based on

1123
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: what happens in her expected trilogy with Grosso to Arena,

1124
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: now Donah who bounce back with a win after losing

1125
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: a title fight to Juliana Pana, if she can get healthy,

1126
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: to anyone, So okay, you're gonna dunk on these two

1127
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 3: women poor and now I did a lot of people

1128
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: on Twitter, and I get people I respect. How about

1129
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 3: jam Bans roasted my guy, who's like, look, b see

1130
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: if this was a more attractive one fifteen or in

1131
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: your you know, in your strike zone, you'd be praising

1132
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: and I, you know, I do stand up against that

1133
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: because it's not true. But here's my ultimate feeling of

1134
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: why I tweeted out that the belt should be vacant,

1135
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: which he is a crash joke, but why I'd even

1136
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: be willing to be crass in this space rather than

1137
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: celebrate the six fight win streak for Rocky Pennington, which

1138
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: is not nothing, the comeback in her career, the toughness,

1139
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: all of that. Did. I like seeing her booed to

1140
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: bits while Dana put the belt on. No, I felt

1141
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: bad for her. The extended family, tiny tornado and all that.

1142
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: But Luke, we rightfully panned this fight when it was announced,

1143
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: you know, some seven months after Noonness gave up the

1144
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 3: title that you had that time. You know, the pool

1145
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 3: fighters you have, and you're essentially picking two who, yes,

1146
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: maybe meritocracally are in the argument close enough where it's

1147
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 3: not a fight that people were, you know, gonna rally

1148
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: and pick it against. But is this a title fight?

1149
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: Are these two championship level fighters? Not the fight I

1150
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: saw on Saturday? This was bad. This was a disaster. Okay,

1151
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: it's not just the crowd booing, It's not just the

1152
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: constant clinching. It's the corners of both were aggressively yelling

1153
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 3: at them to stop doing the the you know the

1154
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: type of fight. IQ decisions that had both women getting

1155
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: skewered on social media. And I get that Pennington had

1156
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: the better gash tank and she's always been tough. I mean,

1157
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: that's her calling card. Congratulations to Raquel Pennington. I'm not

1158
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: trying to take that away, but neither of these fighters

1159
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: fought like a champion in this fight. It was sort

1160
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: of like who's going to be the last one standing?

1161
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: Because for all the talk that I guess it's not

1162
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: pronounced my era, and I respect that. So my era

1163
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: bueno Silva for all the talk, the trash talk and

1164
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: us saying, look, she's more dynamic, she should win this. Dude.

1165
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: She was gassed out by like the third round, so

1166
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: what type of representation is that she finished the fifth round?

1167
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: She spent entirely on her back, probably should have been

1168
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 3: finished with strikes or chokes, but Raquel couldn't quite find

1169
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: the angle and put it together. My point is, I

1170
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: was mad when they rushed the Nico Montagno Motaferi title

1171
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: shot because Valentina wasn't ready and their plans weren't perfect.

1172
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: Or I guess that was the Ultimate Fighter Championship, but

1173
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: still Roxanne was a fill in. I was mad when

1174
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: they rushed the idea of we creating this division at

1175
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: one forty five for Cyborg. But she's not ready yet,

1176
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: so let's just put Holly and Gdr out there. It'll

1177
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: be fine. I'm sure now it wasn't. When you have

1178
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: an extreme lack of depth, you do have to be

1179
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 3: careful and how you do this. What if you just

1180
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: waited a few more months and this was Juliana Pana

1181
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: versus either one or paying your versus al Donna for

1182
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: the title. When you roll this out in an already

1183
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 3: kind of weak pay per view card, what are your expectations?

1184
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: It received the worst possible spectations in my mind, if

1185
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: that's an advertisement for the division to keep going. They

1186
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: got booed out of the building and the challenger, you know,

1187
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: one of the challengers could barely make it to the

1188
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: final bell. This is not elite championship fighting that this is.

1189
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: This is not good and this is so you know,

1190
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do here? You're gonna create women's heavyweight?

1191
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: Are you gonna dump one forty five? I don't know,

1192
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 3: but it felt like this was very haphazard, And I

1193
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: don't know, Luke, Do I sound like I'm whining for

1194
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: the sake of it? Am I being angry because these

1195
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: aren't my favorite flyweights, which I take as an insulur

1196
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: star wights? I don't know, Luke. I don't know how

1197
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: you can say anything positive outside of credit to Rocky

1198
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: for putting this industry together, putting her head to the

1199
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: to the grind and getting it done. But dude, that

1200
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: was a bad fight, and I thought they were two

1201
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: bad performances, and I'll stand by that, Luke.

1202
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: All right, Listen, Rocky Pennington did her job. She's a

1203
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: pro by the way. She had to deal with all

1204
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: the stuff Sean Strickland had to say all week, which

1205
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know was not great, but she's a pro.

1206
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: She didn't say anything about it. She never got distracted,

1207
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 2: she never insorted herself into the news. She got ready

1208
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: for her opponent, she made weight, she went out there

1209
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: and fought, She did what was asked of her, and

1210
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: she got the belt wrapped around her waist. I feel

1211
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: great for Rocky Pennington. She did, she did, She was

1212
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: a pro at every stage, pre during post, She did

1213
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: everything she was supposed to do. Good for her is

1214
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: what I would say. Good for her, Good for her

1215
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: that she got this opportunity, Good for her that the

1216
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: belt is now going to confer some kind of permanent

1217
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: status on her, and then of course for her subsequent

1218
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: bouts from here to the extent that she can keep it,

1219
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: it's going to raise her pay. Good for her. Really,

1220
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: I feel really good for somebody who has just worked

1221
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: really hard, and do I think is of the elite

1222
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 2: of the elite. I do not, but I do think

1223
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: is a skilled competitor, a patient one, a hard working one,

1224
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: and a professional one. The people like that find themselves

1225
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: more often than not BC in good spots. She did. Silva,

1226
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: on the other hand, was unprepared for the enormity of

1227
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: this moment. She didn't have cardio for two of those rounds.

1228
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, Pennington didn't put her away, But nevertheless, I

1229
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: could not believe the inability to really put together a

1230
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: I know, twenty five minutes. Fighting is not easy. It's

1231
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: a very difficult thing to do. But folks, most UFC

1232
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 2: fighters never get a title shot, and even the ones

1233
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: who do most, you know, the number of champions relative

1234
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: to how many people fight in the UFC is infinitesimally small.

1235
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: You don't get many opportunities to fight for a belt

1236
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: like this, even in a weight class like this, and

1237
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 2: to go in there and lay that kind of an egg.

1238
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: It's not enough to say, because of this weakness of

1239
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: the division BC that she'll never get back here, but

1240
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: it might be a while. That was nearly disqualifying for

1241
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: a future opportunity. She is in many ways BC. I

1242
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: found her to be in individual contexts or phases, I

1243
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: found her to be more skilled than Pennington, right, but

1244
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: not so different that she was able to either finish

1245
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: the fight or cause substantial harm. And then when she

1246
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: didn't have the requisite prep in in her fight camp

1247
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: to give her the opportunity to fight beyond fifteen minutes,

1248
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: the entire thing fell apart. Dude, I mean, can you

1249
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 2: imagine going into a twenty five minute fight and knowing

1250
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 2: you have to punt the last two rounds like you

1251
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't even basically be there. I mean, you're wasting everyone's

1252
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: time with that. I felt like it was a good

1253
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: thing that Rocky Pennington had, something good happened to her

1254
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: in the fight game, given all the various challenges she's

1255
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: been up against. But did we need to see this fight?

1256
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: Did it fulfill some kind of thing that just giving

1257
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: the title to Rocky wouldn't have otherwise done. I don't

1258
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: really have a strong answer for that, but my inclination

1259
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: is no. BC.

1260
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: My point is, there's like a lot better fighting in

1261
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: this division than what we saw on Saturday Night, and

1262
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: I felt like we could offer that when the fight

1263
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 3: was announced, Like, why do you think? Why do people

1264
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 3: think me on this show got upset when this fight

1265
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 3: was announced? Because I don't like either fight or no,

1266
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: because it's not representative of who might be the two

1267
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: best in this division in my opinion. I get there

1268
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: were other circumstances that opened the door to make this fight.

1269
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if the promotion thought, you know, thought my

1270
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 3: hero would put forth a better performance as we did.

1271
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: But that you know, you could question constantly the decisions

1272
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: made by both in this fight. Neither one were really

1273
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: able to turn advantageous positions into anything. I mean, it was,

1274
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 3: it was, It was almost it was almost comical at times, Luke,

1275
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: and I don't want that for those women, for this division,

1276
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: for their reputation of female fighting. It felt like such

1277
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: a step back in time that it was almost like

1278
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: I was almost disgusted by it. But maybe those are

1279
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: my own issues. I'm not trying to put it on you.

1280
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: The viewer. Shout out to Rocky, shout out to the

1281
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: pay per viewpoints. I'm sure that the build to her

1282
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: and Juliana, if they go that way, will be somebody.

1283
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: Will make it, you know, silly and fun. Probably right, so.

1284
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: The fight will probably be better. But man, dude, when

1285
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: you're already coming in with people expecting the worst or

1286
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: expecting to you know what I mean. It was like, dude,

1287
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: the quality of that fight was almost didn't even belong

1288
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: off the prelims. Luke, am I going way too far again?

1289
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: I mean, are you gonna you know you can?

1290
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: Now, that's the dude. If you can only fight fifteen minutes,

1291
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: like you really don't have what it takes to fight

1292
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: twenty or twenty five, you are a prelim fighter. I

1293
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: mean that's I mean, I realized that she's ranked higher

1294
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: than that, and she does have skill level above that. Again,

1295
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: it's not like Selva doesn't have skills. She has skills.

1296
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: But if you're if you can't fight beyond fifteen minutes,

1297
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: then that's sort of the level of prep that you

1298
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: are able to give, or you were one in this

1299
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: particular circumstance, you don't, you're not ready for those bigger opportunities. No,

1300
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: you're a prelam me.

1301
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: I guess I'm happy that it wasn't like Rhonda Holly

1302
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: two for the vacant title, even though that would have

1303
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: been drew a lot of attention and would have been

1304
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: interesting in its own regard. And I'm not saying like

1305
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: it just should have been Holly. Her star power could

1306
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: have saved. It could have been an awful fight with

1307
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 3: Holly two. I just wish more. I don't know, I

1308
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 3: wish more planning, more succes. I mean they felt very haphazard.

1309
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: But I'm just one man and I'm an age.

1310
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: It just didn't like So even when you're watching Drikis

1311
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: and Sean, you know, any elite fighters, even ones like that,

1312
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, you saw some wild ass off balanced stuff

1313
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: from DDP. You saw Sean throw these, you know, completely

1314
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: winging hooks, especially in the fifth round. Like I mean,

1315
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 2: you know, there's technical sloppiness at every part of the game,

1316
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: even among the very best that the men's game has

1317
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: to offer. I'm not saying that DDP and Sean is.

1318
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm just saying even among Vulk, he makes mistakes. You

1319
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: see stuff like that. But this one felt to me,

1320
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: like you, I don't know that I was watching the

1321
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: same kind of thing. You know, I didn't know that

1322
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: I was. I didn't feel like I was watching elite MMA.

1323
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: I felt like I was watching you know, good MMA

1324
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: from Rocky and then at times some deep good MMA

1325
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: from Silva, and then and she just fell off a

1326
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: cliff and then that was that. I was like this is.

1327
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: This feels not This doesn't feel like a championship fight.

1328
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: It feels like something if I'm GDR. I know she

1329
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: had she gave birth right Luke. That was part of

1330
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: her long absence, But like, I'm coming back, right, I'm

1331
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: coming back to this division making one thirty five and

1332
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: trying to win that title.

1333
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: Two divisions again or Valentina Shiftchenko. Dude, if things I

1334
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: was wondering this about Valentina shift Tchenko. Either she's going

1335
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: to beat Grosso in their next fight and she could

1336
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: potentially go for champchamp status, or she could losing then

1337
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: just jump over. I mean, dude, think about it. What's

1338
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: it again, dude? I want to it sounds like we're

1339
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: not respecting Rocky, like we really, honest to god, do

1340
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: think she's a credit to the game, Like she is

1341
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: a pro in every sense of the word. But what

1342
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: do I think is a tougher fight for Valentino? Do

1343
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: I think it's Grosso or do I think it's penitent

1344
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: It's probably Grosso, right, I don't. I don't think that's

1345
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 2: crazy to say.

1346
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: No, it's not crazy to say. It's not crazy to say,

1347
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: but see what's going on there in the future. Wow,

1348
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: I mean I did the promotion has to feel the

1349
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: pain of that booing of like of the stain right.

1350
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: They've got to feel that they're not going to say anything.

1351
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: By the way, how does nobody ever ask Dana what's

1352
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: the future of one forty five? I feel like there's

1353
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: questions out there that journalists used to ask. Nobody asked

1354
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: them anymore. You know what gets asked, what's your future

1355
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 3: of coming to the city that I live in and

1356
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: work out of. That's that's a big question that's asked.

1357
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: I get when it's framed under like, hey, we're in Canada,

1358
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: when are you coming back? I get that. It's it's exciting.

1359
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 3: I get that. That's all it's ever asked that. And

1360
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: when does Connor fight?

1361
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: That's it, Luke, that's pretty much counterfight. When you're coming

1362
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: back to Canada or you know, pick whatever place they're in,

1363
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: they ask the same thing. Every Every local media outlet though,

1364
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: has to do that. Like if you're with the Toronto

1365
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: was a Toronto son, I forget the big paper out there,

1366
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: whatever it is you have to if you're if you're

1367
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: attending that, you have to ask that. So I get

1368
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: it all right, But BC. Let's move on a little

1369
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: bit if we can. Let's go to topic number three.

1370
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure what to say about this. Mike

1371
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: Malott was winning dot dot dot until he wasn't. He

1372
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: goes for a leg lock underneath even though he has

1373
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: full guard. He gets his guard passed and then pound

1374
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: it out with fifteen seconds left in a fight that

1375
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: he was absolutely controlling in every possible way. BCE what

1376
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: happened and how bad of a loss is this for

1377
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: a guy who looked like he was ready to have

1378
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: his big coming out party as a big time contender.

1379
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's potentially damaging given what we know

1380
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: about his moxie. I saw his interview afterwards where he

1381
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 3: said sorry to the fans, not that thought they he

1382
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: needed to, but like, look, short impact, this is very damaging,

1383
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: he imploded. This was a self enforced error. He was

1384
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: dominating and winning against a very good opponent late and

1385
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: you know we talk about Ben, but don't break, he snapped.

1386
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean he he It went from I've got it

1387
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 3: to I don't, and that can happen in this game.

1388
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: I always referenced Luke Stepe losing that first fight to

1389
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: Junior Dosantos when he looked so good throughout most of it,

1390
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: but you know, the fatigue caught up with him. He

1391
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 3: kind of got out worked. He lost the fight, but

1392
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: that didn't end his run obviously, being a thirty two

1393
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: year old welterweight. Even though Luke, even though, how did

1394
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: I not say this until now? Rocky Pennington just took

1395
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 3: your thirty five and over welterweight and below stat tore

1396
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: it up into a ball, Luke, and and and.

1397
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: Well, man, that is the men's game. So she didn't

1398
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: touch it, But go ahead.

1399
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: How dare you? How dare you do that? By the way,

1400
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 3: and stick to only men in that case? I but like, yeah,

1401
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: thirty two, but he seems to be a late blomer,

1402
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: took all that time off. If he's who he is, Luke,

1403
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: if he's who he's shown to be, he's gonna go

1404
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 3: back to the gym. He's gonna work on that car

1405
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: deal like you've never seen before, and he's gonna come

1406
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 3: back better from this and still have the window to

1407
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: be that. But you know, it's a slip up. It's

1408
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 3: a major slip up. He got a ridiculous pop in

1409
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 3: Vancouver last time he was positioned here to be really

1410
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: the most popular of that Canadian group, although Sean Strickland

1411
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 3: seemed to get the biggest Canadian inspired pop that I've

1412
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: seen on this night. But they wanted Molat to be

1413
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: the next big thing. And if he's wired the right way,

1414
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: he'll bounce back from that. But he could break a person. Look,

1415
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: we've seen him many times.

1416
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1417
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: You get that invincibility snatched, you might never be the

1418
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: same dude.

1419
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: I just okay. So here's the thing, right, we kill

1420
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: people rightly, So not just you and me fans do it.

1421
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: We all do it. We all kill people who we

1422
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: know coast at the end, right, especially if they do

1423
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: it like you know between rounds, like they get done

1424
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: and it's like whatever, if it's MMA, it's the third

1425
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: round for whatever, a normal fight, or you know, if

1426
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: you're in the eleventh or twelfth round and you can

1427
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: hear their corner being like, you know, don't take risk,

1428
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. We hate that kind of a thing. Now,

1429
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: that's not what happened here. He was still trying to win.

1430
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: In the third he goes for a guillotine and he

1431
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: gets taken down, and he had full guard, so he

1432
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: had his feet crossed, had him locked up, bec he

1433
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: opens to go for a leg lock or I believe

1434
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: maybe perhaps a d bar underneath. But he certainly opened

1435
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 2: his guard and then reached underneath to go and do that.

1436
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: And it's like, I'm not saying that I wanted him

1437
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: to coast because the people like you can just coast. Yes,

1438
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: you could have, and it would have only just been

1439
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: a minute. It wasn't a whole round. I want to

1440
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: be clear about that. It would have been just about

1441
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: a minute or so, maybe maybe like ninety seconds or something.

1442
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you had to do that, but like,

1443
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: why would you go for a risky leg lock slash

1444
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: kneebar sequence underneath against a guy who is very experienced,

1445
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: maybe not the best fighter in the world, but certainly

1446
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: very experienced. You know, he's what whatever else is gonna

1447
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: be wrong with him, He's gonna have great cardio. And

1448
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: he did. And it's like if that if leg locking,

1449
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: and part of people don't understand this necessarily part of

1450
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: leg locking and the way which you get out of

1451
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: it is you can stand right, the more you can

1452
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: stand and force your heel to the ground and begin

1453
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: to peel their legs off of your hip, off of

1454
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: your knee, off of your ankle, right, and you can

1455
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: put stability down. You can break this. So part of

1456
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: what comes into effective leg locking, especially in mma, is

1457
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: the ability to be underneath and then off balance the

1458
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: opponent above you right to be able to take them

1459
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: off of their feet, which you saw him do a

1460
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: little bit, but you have to come up when you

1461
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: do that, when they go down, you have to come

1462
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: up so you can claim top position. He didn't even

1463
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: necessarily have the energy for that. In other words, I'm

1464
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: not saying he's got bad leg locks or bad bad

1465
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: heel hooks or something, but I am gonna say it's

1466
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: clearly not as much of a part of his game

1467
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: as it is like say for Ryan Hall, where you

1468
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: would very much trust their ability underneath to do something

1469
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: like that, because it's part and parcel of the very

1470
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: best of what they have to offer. That's the best

1471
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: of what hawlk do, and he can do it almost

1472
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: better than anyone. Mike Malott just went to like a

1473
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: very low risk or she to be very high risk,

1474
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: low reward scenario underneath electing to and it led to

1475
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: a disastrous consequence. We see they put him on the

1476
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: main card, they gave him a name opponent. He was

1477
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: doing everything he possibly could. I'm not saying there's no

1478
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: bounce back from this, but I am saying, dude, that's

1479
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: a really bad unforced error for someone They did not

1480
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: need to go this way. They picked one of the

1481
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: worst ways they could have gone. And this whole idea like,

1482
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: oh well they had to coast. Maybe they didn't. I'd

1483
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: actually argue they could still have had some offense and

1484
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: they would not have had to do that. Just a

1485
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: real suboperation.

1486
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 3: It's an experience. That's what an experience is, right, thirty.

1487
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: Two though, I mean he's thirty two, the same age

1488
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: as Sean Strickland.

1489
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 3: He is impressive though, and let's not overlook that for

1490
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: two and three quarter rounds he was outclassing you know,

1491
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: a super not a super I don't I don't want

1492
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 3: to call him not a super elite guy, but a

1493
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: guy who loses the super elites. But if you're not,

1494
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 3: if you're not heading in that direction, he'll expose you.

1495
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: He exposed him. But like, what we did learn in

1496
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 3: the process is that he's way better than this level.

1497
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: So that's why I still have to hold out hope

1498
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 3: Luke that if it's just oh, fix the stamina, make

1499
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: smart decisions, he can do that. He can do that,

1500
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: you can do that. He didn't get like dragged around

1501
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: the cage and took it.

1502
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: Extraordinary to him beating Magni thoroughly just up until he wasn't.

1503
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: It was an outright like implosion at the very very end.

1504
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: So's he obviously has ability. But you know, it's not

1505
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: just all he made a bad decision. No, he made

1506
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 2: a really bad decision. That was a really bad decision

1507
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 2: that did not need to get made. That's the issue.

1508
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: Issue is not like, hey, was it the wrong call?

1509
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: It was obviously the wrong call. It was like a

1510
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: really bad wrong call. But okay, we'll see how he

1511
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: can bounce back from that. BC we go to question

1512
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 2: number four here, topic number four, let's talk about Arnold

1513
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 2: Allen if we can, very basic question for you, given

1514
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: what happened in the third round, was Arnold Allen robbed

1515
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: of a fair outcome against Mosar eve louv close fight?

1516
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 3: In real time? I was getting kind of made fun

1517
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: of by our CBS sports editorial brethren there because I

1518
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: thought Allan had won the fight two rounds to one.

1519
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: I thought he had won the first and won the third,

1520
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 3: and I thought that the broadcast was like sort of

1521
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: way too quick to dismiss that that was even a possibility,

1522
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 3: as basically saying, well, look, you know wolves are when

1523
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: he bloodied him in the second round and knocked him down,

1524
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: like that's enough. Unless that's a guaranteed ten eight on

1525
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: every card, I don't see how it would be, So

1526
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: I think, ultimately, when I look at the scorecards here,

1527
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 3: all three judges gave evelv one and two, so that

1528
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: was a moot point. My giving Alan round one, which

1529
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: I thought was close, didn't factor into the scoring here.

1530
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 3: But I thought, even on the just that basis, Arnold

1531
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 3: could have one. He didn't fight poorly. Did he lose

1532
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 3: though rightfully to a guy that fought better. I think

1533
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 3: ultimately so. But Luke weird elements to this, mostly the

1534
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 3: knees from Arnold Allen, which certainly flirted with being illegal.

1535
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 3: I was really happy the way that the referee, Mark

1536
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: Goddard didn't take it away but firmly warned him. But

1537
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 3: I think the reason why he didn't take it away

1538
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 3: was because it was so close. When you look at

1539
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 3: the replay it's like, is the tip of the fingernail

1540
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: touching or not when he's landing them. I think at

1541
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 3: least three of the four of those were cleaned. Loop.

1542
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: Am I coming off as an all down super fan?

1543
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 3: I don't want to even though I like the guy.

1544
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: No, I'm surprised that you think that the I don't

1545
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: think Mark Goddard made a bad call. I think Mark

1546
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: Goddard is dealing with bad rules that make good calls

1547
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: hard to come by. But I did not think it

1548
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,520
Speaker 2: was a great call to stop the contest, even temporarily.

1549
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 3: Oh, agreed on that first of all. Agreed on that. Okay.

1550
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: I think it was because they were borderline and he's

1551
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: sort of like, we got to do something, but I

1552
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: can we get a real change in the area that

1553
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: that just stops this lead saying please, just please, because.

1554
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Here's the thing about it, dude, answer

1555
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 2: me this. Whether it's two hands down, one hand down,

1556
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: just fingertips waited, whatever, any of those rules fucking suck.

1557
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 2: You never get a better outcome with People were like, oh,

1558
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: they're using the old rules from New Jersey. And it's true,

1559
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: Ontario was using New Jersey's rules and this is not

1560
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 2: a joke. Folks. From two thousand and three, they were

1561
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: using rules from before the Ultimate Fighter Ever existed two

1562
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: years before, in fact, like a long time before, and

1563
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: so you've got outdated rules. But guys, the new rules

1564
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: suck ass too. It doesn't make a difference if it's

1565
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: two hands or weighted fingertips or anything else. They suck

1566
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: ass too, because not only BC do they not really

1567
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: provide clarity in terms of the individual moment, and you

1568
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 2: get much better action one way or the other. It

1569
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: doesn't really change, it just makes it confusing one way

1570
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: or the other. These rules did. Any rule that you

1571
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: have has to be like basically enforceable by pro referees,

1572
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 2: Like someone who's good enough to be a professional referee

1573
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: has to be able to implement this in an easy way.

1574
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Mark Goddard is a bad referee at all,

1575
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: but I think that it's hard to know in real

1576
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: time what the fuck is happening, and I don't know

1577
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: if Toronto has instant replay, you have no real way

1578
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,520
Speaker 2: of understanding what it is, and plus you've already interfered

1579
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: with the action itself. Here's the rule, dude, the knees

1580
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: to the head of a down opponent should be fucking legal.

1581
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of carve outs you can

1582
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: make to that, but in general.

1583
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 3: You got two hands and two knees.

1584
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: Down, that's all you need, one need.

1585
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 3: But I'm saying that would be a situation where you

1586
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: knew firmly somebody was down. But whenever it's short of that,

1587
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 3: when it's in between, when it's in transition, or if

1588
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: there's the idea that someone's playing the game, it's too

1589
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: close for a striker to be able to tell or

1590
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: to do es just.

1591
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 2: No neees, Like listen, if you shoot underneath a guy,

1592
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 2: you should know if you get stuffed, if there's down

1593
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: blocking or whatever. Your fair game, your fair game. We

1594
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: already have seen it in one People think there'll be

1595
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: this crisis of CTE beyond what we already have if

1596
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: that happens, and the numbers, according to the Colorado Athletic Commission,

1597
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: simply do not bear this out. It does add some risk,

1598
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: but of course it changes so much fighter behavior, both

1599
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: in terms of what shots they take and then obviously

1600
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: how they scramble out pretty quickly underneath that you don't

1601
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: really get all. Yes, it does meaningfully change some of

1602
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: the action. But you don't get this, you know, concussion

1603
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: parade in a way that you ordinarily would not get.

1604
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: But for those rules, it's just nonsense. Change the fucking

1605
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: rule to a place where we can actually a referee

1606
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: can easily enforce it, the people can easily understand it,

1607
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: the fighters can easily implement it. It's not going to

1608
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: massively add to CTE and then we just move on.

1609
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 2: I just oh, it drives me nuts.

1610
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, back to the fight for a second. I was

1611
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 3: very impressed with evelof Luke. I know this is a

1612
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: sixth straight decision and he wanted to change that. But look,

1613
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 3: Arnold Allen's a killer out there, dude. Most star is

1614
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 3: just a rock. I mean, he is Luke. And he

1615
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 3: showed even though he was given that break after that

1616
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: you know borderline or if actually illegal knee, the knee

1617
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 3: kind of effed him up and he took that well

1618
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: and bounced back well. And dude, when he gets grind

1619
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 3: and with those takedowns, I mean, Arnold Allen was almost

1620
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 3: superhuman and avoiding a lot of those takedowns or rolling

1621
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: through them, or just really showing expert elite grappling and

1622
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 3: yet Evlov will just outlast you with that relentlessness and

1623
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: inevitably put you down. And whether or not the lack

1624
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: of sustained excitement ever holds him back, I'm not sure. Absolutely,

1625
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 3: you got to take this guy for real. He leveled

1626
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: up with this performance. I love Arnold Allen. I thought

1627
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 3: that Max performance was arguably his best. Even though he lost.

1628
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 3: He fought pretty damn well here. Not enough, you know,

1629
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 3: not enough to guarantee the argument of you could have

1630
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 3: scored it for him, although I still thought you could have.

1631
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: But dude, iv looev looks like the dude. He looks

1632
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 3: like the guy. Another hammer, Luke, another fricking hammer. This

1633
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: hammer's Legit tell me why he's not please. I mean,

1634
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 3: the striking's got improved, but it's not bad. It's not awful.

1635
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: It's not bad. He gets better or through the rounds.

1636
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: He makes adaptations and changes. He obviously is physically dominant

1637
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 2: for the weight class. His wrestling is you know again,

1638
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting, is his wrestling was not lights

1639
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: out in this fight. It was good, but you know,

1640
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: usually it's overwhelming. It wasn't overwhelming. Arnold Allen had very

1641
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: good takedown defence and scrambling by and large or you know,

1642
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: defense for subs or from the back or whatever. Oh yeah,

1643
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 2: you saw some of those Granby rolls for example. So

1644
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 2: his wrestling was a threat, it was a presence, but

1645
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 2: it wasn't the same kind of like fight decider you

1646
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 2: know that it once was, and yet he was still

1647
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: able to get the win. The only thing that come

1648
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 2: I come back to is, you know, I asked you

1649
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: the question, was he robbed of a fair outcome?

1650
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

1651
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: The fuck he was? Yes he was Arnold Allen, Yes

1652
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: he was. I know according to the letter of the law,

1653
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 2: there's no mechanism, there's no lever for him to pull

1654
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 2: to get him a new fight or the Athletic Commission

1655
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 2: to review it. In that sense. There it's over and

1656
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 2: done with and everyone's going to move on. And I

1657
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: understand that, but I am going to point out in

1658
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: terms of a fair outcome, that's what I asked you

1659
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: about a fair outcome. I don't see how you can

1660
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 2: have rules this bad, that are this hard for good

1661
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: referees to interpret, that have a potentially massive consequence, not

1662
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: really on the round itself, although obviously Arnold one round three,

1663
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: but potentially fight ending sequences, moments of like significant damage

1664
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: all taken away from a guy, and people are just like, Yeah,

1665
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 2: that's how the rules should be.

1666
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 3: Dude.

1667
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: You can't look at this situation and say, yeah, the

1668
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: rules have gotten it right. They don't. They're not giving

1669
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: people the fair chance to do the job they're trying

1670
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 2: to do with you know, again, with relatively speaking, minimal

1671
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 2: risk that better rules could give us. And as a consequence,

1672
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't think you're getting fairly adjudicated outcomes. I don't.

1673
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: I don't think you can do this to a guy

1674
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 2: and say that win is a very clear and decisive

1675
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: win and a fair win. Frankly, for Mozart, it's not.

1676
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: It's the way it is, but it's not the way

1677
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: that it should be.

1678
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 3: Dude. I feel bad in a way for Arnold Allen

1679
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 3: because he's a fairy good fighter, But I'm starting to

1680
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 3: agree with some of the sentiment that, like, the reason

1681
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 3: why he's a very good fighter is because, like he

1682
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 3: says in his own words, he can do everything. He's

1683
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 3: well rounded. He's pretty much at the same level across

1684
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 3: the board. I mean, look at that wrestling defense and

1685
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 3: grappling skills and all that stuff you mentioned. But if

1686
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 3: he would realize how dangerous he is on the feet

1687
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 3: and not need the final round rally to to, you know,

1688
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 3: raise his argument to have won a fight. Sometimes he's

1689
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 3: too technical and too picky on the striking to start

1690
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: the fight. I'm wondering, Luke, if he comes in there

1691
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 3: with a more aggressive attitude because he's got a great chin.

1692
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he got fed up from those shots. He's

1693
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 3: got a great chin. He can do everything. But I

1694
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: think he's better offensively than he sometimes consistently shows because

1695
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: he's trying to show you the full package. If he

1696
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 3: gets in there and sits down on his shots from

1697
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 3: that south past stance, dude, he's a His combinations are

1698
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: I mean those combinations he put on Mozart were just

1699
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 3: like for guy like evil will have to get hit

1700
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 3: and not even know which direction they were coming from

1701
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 3: and just be like damn. I mean, he's crisp, he's

1702
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 3: perfect in a lot of ways. But yet Arnold Allen

1703
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 3: just lost twice in a row to two very good fighters,

1704
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 3: and he has these injuries or layoffs where he's only

1705
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 3: fought once a year for a lot of the last

1706
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 3: five years, coming you know, closing in on each I'm

1707
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 3: wondering if you know, I'm not telling him go back

1708
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 3: in the shed and let Pacer, you know, shoot you

1709
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: on the ash cheek. I'm just saying, like, know, how

1710
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 3: fricking awesome and dangerous you have the full potential to

1711
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 3: be Luke? What am I saying here? I'm talking in

1712
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 3: straight vibes? You do you decode it? Do you agree

1713
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 3: with me? Because I feel like he could be a

1714
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: knockout threat if you went after it more well.

1715
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: He knocked out Dan Hooker, although Dan Hooker was obviously

1716
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: very drained from that one forty five weight cut. But

1717
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean I take up sort of a similar but

1718
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: maybe a slightly different lesson. It's like, dude, look at

1719
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: how fucking good Arnold Allen is. Like you look at

1720
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: how ridiculously talented he is, and he still is far

1721
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 2: from a star. And I mean he's close to, but

1722
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: not that close to being a champion and is coming

1723
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: up just short in majorly consequential fights that are hard

1724
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: to get back to that place, like against a Mosar

1725
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: or against a Max Right, He's coming up just short.

1726
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you can be as good as that

1727
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: and you still will be behind the eight ball in

1728
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: the sport fucking brutal man, fucking brutal sport, that you

1729
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 2: can be that talented and still that far behind, you know,

1730
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: all right?

1731
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 3: I have the most important question for you though. Okay, yeah,

1732
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,919
Speaker 3: I know that you we don't know your full official

1733
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 3: pick yet, but you may pick Topori over Volkanovsky. Well,

1734
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 3: let's leave Ilia out for a second. Mulvsar iv Loev,

1735
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 3: from what you've seen up to this point, could he

1736
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 3: beat Volkanovsky for the title if he ended up getting

1737
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 3: that chance.

1738
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, No, I think Volkanovsky has

1739
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: too much takedown defense, too much lateral movement, too much

1740
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: confusion on the feet. I think Wulsar is gonna be

1741
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: competitive with anybody, right, I mean, I don't think Volk's

1742
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna walk through him or something like that. And I

1743
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 2: don't think I don't you know, Max, I don't think

1744
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna either way. Whoever wins in that Max fight,

1745
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: No one's walking through the other guy. Like those are

1746
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: tough ass fights. But I would pick Volkanowsky to beat him.

1747
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, Well, he's still the standard of this division,

1748
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: even though he's really testing your stat right now, If

1749
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: Rocky Pennington didn't break through the stat curse of Tyrone

1750
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 3: Woodley's dude.

1751
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: Are going to break through it. It's just going to

1752
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: happen very infrequently, that's all, you know what I mean?

1753
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 3: All right? If anybody could could break the streak, though

1754
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 3: naturally it's it's Volkanowski right to just be that guy.

1755
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 3: That's like f your shop.

1756
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: You would think if there's a candidate who is best

1757
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: situated to do it, who would be better than the

1758
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: guy that people have considered to be the best pound

1759
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: profound fighter on earth? Probably him?

1760
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 3: True, what do you believe? What do you think about

1761
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 3: people calling that the Luke Thomas stat because that's what

1762
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 3: it's become.

1763
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of weird because I didn't come up

1764
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: with it. Someone else came up with it. I just

1765
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: signal boosted it to like a broader audience. Now I've

1766
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: kept up with it in ways that maybe the original

1767
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 2: person who came up with it hasn't or something. But

1768
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 2: I actually kind of like it, to be honest with you,

1769
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: because so many people not that I want credit for it. Again,

1770
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 2: I didn't come up with it. It's not my math.

1771
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: But the thing that I want people to understand about

1772
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: it is like, there's so many people who watch MMA

1773
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: who don't watch other sports. I don't really have a

1774
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: clear understanding of what age actually means in sports. And

1775
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 2: here you have this demarcation line that but for the stat,

1776
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: there'd be there still is always going to be confusion.

1777
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: But the stat is like this fucking slap of a

1778
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 2: fish in your face telling you to shut the fuck

1779
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: up with your so and so can fight till they're forty. Nonsense.

1780
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 2: Look at the fucking math, asshole. Yeah, they drop off

1781
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 2: a cliff.

1782
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: Take power slap. It's big in India.

1783
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: Take this power slap. Except the truth of the math

1784
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: here or again the relative probability anyway of the math.

1785
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 2: Quit doing this ship where it's like, dude, they're thirty eight,

1786
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: they're going to be fighting for another three years as

1787
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: an elite. They're already not elite, right understand again, if

1788
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 2: they're they're that that bracket, so to speak.

1789
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 3: My favorite bit of irony in life, and I think

1790
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: Atlantis and Uncle Joey would agree with me going down

1791
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: in the theater is that power slap is big only

1792
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 3: in your home nation. Look, that is perfect. That is

1793
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 3: just that is perfect.

1794
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean again, I live there from birth to six

1795
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: months old. I don't know if it's fair to call

1796
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 2: it my home nation. I have an American passport and

1797
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: that's it. I don't have any other one.

1798
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me throw the bad signal morning

1799
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 3: Combat at gmail dot com because I know we have

1800
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: Indian born fans, and we met in the UK, by

1801
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: the way, a lot of fans of Indian descent who

1802
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 3: were all fantastic. Do you do you folks consider Luke Thomas,

1803
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 3: because he was born on sovereign American territory in India,

1804
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: as a true Indian? Okay, okay, what which flag is that? DC? Luke,

1805
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 3: you're trying to represent Armenia. What do we got there, DC? Yeah,

1806
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 3: that's the.

1807
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 2: Flag of Washington d C. Bitch, don't forget.

1808
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 3: It, all right. I I consider you a true Indie, Luke.

1809
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: I know you're you're you're lightnight risk.

1810
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 3: That was accidentally haful.

1811
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1812
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 3: I consider yourself a true Indian man, Luke.

1813
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Last but not least, Topic number five

1814
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: VC Topic number five, give me any name on the

1815
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: card that we haven't discussed, who, for good reasons or

1816
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: bad reasons, who stood out at UFC two ninety.

1817
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 3: Seven no question uh, and she ended up getting the

1818
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: pop that Mike Mallott probably you know, was on his

1819
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 3: way to get nuts. Jasmine Jazz Davissius, who has She's

1820
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: putting it together. She is coming on. You have to

1821
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 3: shut off Priscilla's.

1822
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 2: Slow it down a little bit. She had an opponent

1823
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 2: who missed weight so bad they have to jump to

1824
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: the next weight class, and is now taking the two

1825
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: worst beatings uh in this weight class ever, historically speaking,

1826
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: she kicked her ass. Don't make don't please almost understand me.

1827
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: This was not a fight that needed to take place.

1828
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 2: We didn't make.

1829
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 3: Gristilla showed although she didn't make weight, and there's a

1830
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: lot of other issues going on, and is it somewhat

1831
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 3: labeled as a dirty fighter she had just to finish

1832
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: this fight was incredible. The will she showed. But I

1833
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 3: think the fact that Jasmine couldn't finish her is also

1834
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 3: the idea that like, she's not a perfect fighter, she's

1835
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 3: not all the way there, She's not gonna fight for

1836
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 3: a title tomorrow, but she's making obvious strides and the

1837
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 3: the guess tank, the takedowns, the spamming of offense that

1838
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 3: even the right cross that knockdown catchaway. I mean, she

1839
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 3: wasn't able to you. She doesn't have the power to

1840
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 3: finish it. It's consistently, it seems, although again she's a

1841
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 3: very durable opponent there. But look, you saw her progression.

1842
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 3: There's been ups, has been downs. She's putting it together.

1843
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 3: I think she's she's climbing. She's climbing. I don't know

1844
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 3: exactly where you're right, babe.

1845
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: We gotta pump the mix. I don't mean to I

1846
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 2: don't mean to do. I don't mean to rain on

1847
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 2: the parade. She is getting thirty four, I believe. But

1848
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 2: she is definitely getting better and definitely is having uh,

1849
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: I know, uh some of the some of the better

1850
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: performances of her career generally, speaking of late, I know

1851
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 2: it's been a little b up and down, but in

1852
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: general she's been to your point, she's been impressive at

1853
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: several junctures, but.

1854
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: She's technically a one twenty five and that's a deep pool.

1855
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: Do you think if she stayed at bantam she could

1856
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: she could be a contender or am I put on her?

1857
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: I'd consider it, honestly. She I saw her at the

1858
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: weigh ins because you know, obviously all of us overnights

1859
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: like ten pounds allowance. Basically you had I mean eleven, right,

1860
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 2: she could have made I guess one thirty six. Whatever

1861
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: she made, think like one thirty four or something. You

1862
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 2: know she was. She was happy as she could be.

1863
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't be right, I don't have ten less pounds

1864
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: have to cut. It's by the vast majority of what

1865
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: it was going to be. And so if I were her,

1866
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: I would strongly consider it. So now catchwhere is not

1867
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: necessarily the class of one thirty five either, But why

1868
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 2: not take a first spin? I mean that.

1869
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: The Valentina fight because he.

1870
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 2: Wanted Yamasaki DC's Yeah, he wanted her to.

1871
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 3: Go out on her shield and fight like a warrior. Luke, right,

1872
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 3: why are you waving that flag? DC?

1873
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 2: The Yamasaki brothers, they're from Brazil, but their entire businesses

1874
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: in DC.

1875
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 3: All right? Can we pour one off.

1876
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: Hey mayor for life? Like as Mumbo Sauce one said,

1877
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 2: our mayor smoked crack, but we all kept it real

1878
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: and we voted him back.

1879
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 3: And as Krick's Rock said, Luke smoked crack got his

1880
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 3: job back. That's bitch, set me up.

1881
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: We should have T shirts. MK, bitch set me up,

1882
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 2: all right, BC, Can I give a shout out to

1883
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: a couple names. I'll stay with the Canadian women because,

1884
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 2: by the way, they were very successful. How about Gillian

1885
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 2: Robertson great win over Polianna Viana totally dominant grap basically

1886
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 2: from beginning to end. Shouts to her. She has not

1887
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 2: the most I think third most wins ever at one

1888
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 2: fifteen in terms of stoppages or yeah, stoppage wins in

1889
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: that weight class, so good for her. I will also say, BC,

1890
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 2: Sean Woodson looks to me like three different people from

1891
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,839
Speaker 2: three different weight classes all put together in the same body.

1892
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: But he gave Charles Jordana a tough fight. He won

1893
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 2: on this contest. He looked like he was pretty good.

1894
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 3: And looked like he fought like Jordaane's stepsister, right or no,

1895
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 3: I guess the opposite of it.

1896
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I was gonna say, Sean Woodson's body type

1897
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: looks like you ever seen like those like uh, you know,

1898
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 2: comics or stories where like three kids stack on top

1899
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 2: of each other and then put a trench coat so

1900
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 2: they can go see an R rated movie and it's

1901
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 2: got like the weirdest body type and they got like,

1902
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 2: did you see.

1903
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: The picks of him as a heavyweight boxer back of

1904
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 3: the day.

1905
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,919
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable he was two fifteen as a boxer.

1906
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 3: I don't believe it, but yeah.

1907
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: He can make the way anyway. He looked good. He

1908
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: did his job. I thought he fought quite well. I

1909
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: thought he won that one pretty cleanly. I know that

1910
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 2: Bruce Buffer kind of said like, instead of Sean, he

1911
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 2: said kind of said Charles or Shark.

1912
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 3: Coming up?

1913
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. And then last but not least dude from

1914
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 2: from the UK, how about Sam Peterson nice win over

1915
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: Johann LYNESSI or Lioness I'm not sure to pronounce his

1916
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: last name getting that rear naked choke he had, Uh,

1917
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: he had one hooken, sagged him down, kept a post

1918
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 2: behind his other leg, used straight jacket from the back

1919
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: to set up the choke, got it in and it

1920
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 2: was clinical. Good work from Sam Peterson. I liked all

1921
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: of their performances to all right.

1922
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 3: Can you settle a Twitter before me here twitter debate?

1923
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 3: I tweeted at the within the first four fights of

1924
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 3: the night that I was happy Tom Cruise was back

1925
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 3: because he is my favorite UFC analyst. I think he

1926
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: does the best job of the technical stuff. I know

1927
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 3: he annoys people in certain categories. I also like when

1928
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 3: he like holds DC to task and plays difficult as

1929
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 3: partner with him. Yeah, I guess we'll get into that

1930
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 3: the DMS. Mikey says, So there we go.

1931
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 2: I saw the first question from DMS. We'll get right

1932
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: into this. But if anyone else from two ninety seven

1933
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: you want to give a shout out.

1934
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 3: To not really, I didn't think it was a great card.

1935
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be ahater. I just didn't think

1936
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 3: it was a great card.

1937
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. Well that's those are our

1938
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: top five topics. So let's keep this moving if we can,

1939
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 2: and head right into our next segment where you get

1940
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 2: to ask us questions. It's time for dms from doncs.

1941
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 3: Can we outlaw that sound?

1942
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: I know I say that just a donkey ejaculating is really.

1943
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 3: Mikey, can you put that donkey out of its misery?

1944
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 2: Please?

1945
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 3: Thank you? Could you just finish these job, Mikey if

1946
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 3: he if you need help, could you just finish the

1947
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: job with that donkey?

1948
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: Please? All right?

1949
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 4: B C.

1950
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: Question number one here It is from Donovan underscore Martinez

1951
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 2: thoughts on the commentary Saturday Night. So Dominic Cruz BC

1952
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 2: appears to believe that if we you and I are

1953
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: in a fight and you cut my faith in the

1954
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: first round and it bleeds, even if I beat the

1955
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 2: living shit out of you for the subsequent fourteen minutes,

1956
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: I win that contest. I don't know what was happening.

1957
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 3: There, Okay, So the debate I was going to bring

1958
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 3: up to you is whether you think that dom belongs

1959
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 3: here because he after I tweeted that out, which I

1960
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 3: did think early on he was doing a great job. Yeah,

1961
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: there were a bunch of side steps he took that

1962
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: got everybody mad, and then people were like, wow, we

1963
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 3: thought your Strickland comments where it's controversial, this is the

1964
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 3: worst thing you've ever said that dom Cruz belongs on

1965
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 3: this broadcast. But specific to that debate you're talking about,

1966
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 3: and I want to add in one other thing that

1967
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 3: Dana said, and I want to wake people up to this.

1968
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: This isn't a ran against Dane. I hear this in

1969
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 3: boxing all the time too, But Dana's like, when talking

1970
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: about the Strickland versus DP scoring, and Dana thought that

1971
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 3: Strickland won three to two like I did. He said, Yeah,

1972
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 3: but I'm one of those people that believes you have

1973
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 3: to go in there and take it from the champion.

1974
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 3: I get that old school belief. It's just not how

1975
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 3: fights are scored, right, That's how Pride fights are scored.

1976
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 3: Whoever really kind of did the more damage or had

1977
01:28:59,200 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 3: the bigger moment.

1978
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: That's not the rule with Pride. It's not like, hey,

1979
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: if you're gonna fight a champion, you gotta really beat

1980
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,919
Speaker 2: his ass. That doesn't exist right where anywhere.

1981
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 3: The problem is in boxing or MMA, you score on

1982
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 3: a ten point must system round by round, so that

1983
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 3: does not come into play at all. And it's the

1984
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: same debate in close fights in boxing, where you know

1985
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 3: it's like somebody may have landed three big punches but

1986
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 3: they got out jabbed, you know, thirty to three in

1987
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 3: that round. Who won that? You got to figure that

1988
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 3: out and for yourself when you're watching it. Yeah, I

1989
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 3: felt like they were talking when they're talking about the

1990
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 3: Allen Mosar fight too. They were like, well, yeah, you know,

1991
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 3: because of that second round, Allen can't win this, Like, no,

1992
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 3: there was a chance he could have won the first

1993
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 3: third round there unless it's a ten eight in the

1994
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 3: second round. So we have enough scoring problems, we have

1995
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 3: enough rules problems where I feel like, even when I'm watching,

1996
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what happened to what should happen next? Luke,

1997
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 3: When you get the announcers involved to it, it really

1998
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 3: makes that rough. Where do you stand on Dom? Because

1999
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 3: I think I still want him there. I think he

2000
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 3: adds a dynamic that's different from the DC Rogan pay

2001
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: per view party that everybody has become accustomed to. And

2002
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 3: I enjoy most of that most of the time too,

2003
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 3: that trio with John. But I also like real analysis

2004
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 3: in there. I really like Dom's style of delivering it.

2005
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 3: Although people are starting to have issues with some of

2006
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 3: his analysis. I get that, But do you want Tom

2007
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: Enter out? In terms of your dream pay per view team.

2008
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 2: Laura Senko is the I know this is gonna people

2009
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 2: think this is crazy, It's not crazy. Laura Cenko is

2010
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 2: the best color commentator that they have.

2011
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: Very good. I don't think she's better than Dom. But

2012
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 3: people hate me for liking Dom. Okay, That's where I'm at.

2013
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 2: I don't hate you for laking Dom, but I think

2014
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 2: she's like her level of detail both in Fighter history

2015
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: in terms of their personality, but also their individual fight

2016
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 2: history in the library that comes with that, and studying that.

2017
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 2: Her understanding of modern judging, her understanding of modern criteria

2018
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: is I would argue, as a total package, second to none.

2019
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't think, I would say, especially on the latter parts,

2020
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: understanding what the rules are, understanding how they're implemented, she

2021
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 2: is clearly better than her male peers, Like not even that.

2022
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 3: Would you stay with? There's ultimately three criterias to compare,

2023
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 3: and it would be knowledge, personality, and delivery. Is that

2024
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 3: fair to say? Because personality, I would.

2025
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 2: So I would definitely say I would definitely say knowledge

2026
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 2: is the first one for sure, like why are you there?

2027
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 2: And then I would say broadcast skills? How good of

2028
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: a broadcast?

2029
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 3: Okay, then yeah, you're right, those foundational skills have to

2030
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 3: be there with the knowledge your broadcast skills. But I

2031
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 3: think personality because it's also an entertainment product, so like

2032
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: some people, can you know DC's ten out of ten?

2033
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 3: Personality might opinon that's why I like him in that booth?

2034
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that.

2035
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is delivery. Yeah, I guess

2036
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 3: Tom comes up short in a couple of those, But

2037
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 3: you're right, Cenko across the board is very high in

2038
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 3: every category. I'll give you that.

2039
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if Senco's like the Does she know

2040
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 2: more about wrestling than DC? Well, no, probably not right.

2041
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case. Or does she know

2042
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: more about certain intricacies about who knows certain things that

2043
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 2: don might know about positioning? I don't think that. But

2044
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: in terms of playing the levels of the skills you discussed,

2045
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 2: her overall package to me is better I think than

2046
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 2: just about all of her peers now Paul Felders obviously

2047
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 2: quite good. I do think that there there's listen, there's

2048
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 2: good parts and trade offs to all of them. I

2049
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 2: would just say this, there's a lot I do like

2050
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 2: about Dom's skill set as a as a commentator, and

2051
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: there's many times I have profited from his wisdom, and

2052
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,839
Speaker 2: I think you probably feel the same. But it's somewhat

2053
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 2: inexcusable to be on a broadcast like that and not

2054
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: know what the rules are about how judging and cutting

2055
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 2: affects judging or doesn't. That seems to me like a

2056
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: part of your game that deserves that needs to be upped.

2057
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 3: You know, I'll give you that, I'll give you that.

2058
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 3: Would you like to see the same pay per view

2059
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 3: team each time, whether it's you know, John, Joe and

2060
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 3: DC or not, or would you like to see a

2061
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 3: regular rotation.

2062
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: I like a rotation. I mean there could be like

2063
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 2: an A crew and a B crew in which they

2064
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 2: kind of already sort of have. You know, Dan Helly

2065
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: does I think like Contender series. I think I think

2066
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 2: they started making him do slap fights, so I hate that,

2067
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 2: but I do love yeah, yeah, well shouts to Dan Helly,

2068
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 2: he's the man. But you know, so they have like

2069
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 2: sort of tears in that way. But you know, the NFL,

2070
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 2: I like what it's different. Obviously it's totally different system.

2071
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: But for example, you got Romo and Nance for Better

2072
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: for Worse than one, and then you're gonna get ak

2073
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 2: Men and uh Buck in another one. And you got

2074
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 2: these sort of like teams that work in these different ones.

2075
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 2: Some are more prestigious than others. But there's a bit

2076
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: of a rotation. I kind of like that a little bit.

2077
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind if they mixed it up. But you know, listen,

2078
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 2: Joe was doing his uh uh, what do you call it?

2079
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 2: The fight companion and dom got in there. Except for

2080
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 2: the cutting, I didn't really mind it. But this is

2081
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 2: also why, like, yeah, I don't know. There might be

2082
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 2: a lot more voices that need to be explored for

2083
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 2: potential roles that they already have not looked at. I

2084
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: don't know.

2085
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 3: Interesting stuff, all right.

2086
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 2: The question number two cal underscore nine zero zero nine.

2087
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: What does Arnold Allen question? What does Armo Allen need

2088
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 2: to work on to break into the elite category of fighters?

2089
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 3: P see let those hands go, because when he rallies

2090
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 3: in the final round he puts it together, he looks

2091
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 3: like a million bucks.

2092
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 2: I totally agree. It's like, dude, it's like, you know,

2093
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 2: if you have to ask the question, does he have

2094
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 2: the skill to pull off what you're asking of him? Yes,

2095
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 2: he fucking does.

2096
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: He has the chance part welcome more danger. I think

2097
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 3: he does. He does have the chane to welcome.

2098
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 2: This is my point. It's like we're not asking him, Oh, well,

2099
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 2: you need to go back and work on a bunch

2100
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: of shit. Yeah. I mean, of course there's always gonna

2101
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 2: be stuff to work on. In that sense, he's yes,

2102
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: but that's really not what we mean. What we mean

2103
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 2: is like, today, do you have what it takes to

2104
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 2: have more offensive firepower play a role to your advantage

2105
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 2: in fights. And I think the answer is absolutely he does.

2106
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 2: That's the great part about him.

2107
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 3: He's fucking good.

2108
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 2: He's good, dude. It's not a big departure of what

2109
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 2: we're asking for, you know what I mean?

2110
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, son of Pacer Mowgli. We love that guy. He's

2111
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 3: very good. But in a row, gotta go back. I'm

2112
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 3: looking forward to who was next Foe. I'd love to

2113
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 3: see him in Ortega. Wouldn't you be great?

2114
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 2: Also, like you know, kind of more careful versus less

2115
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 2: him versus Yaeir and what that might mean. That's a

2116
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 2: crazy ass fight too, and that's a good news for allan.

2117
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 2: There's still some great fights for me. You want to

2118
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 2: see Brian or Tega bang everybody including no No.

2119
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 3: I just want to see z the Beat come back, Luke,

2120
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 3: and then I will. Then I can retire as an

2121
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,520
Speaker 3: MMA journalist and fan of Sabeat comes back and fulfills

2122
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 3: that legacy that that great.

2123
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think honest, Dave is making

2124
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 2: his way back, all right. You see question number three,

2125
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: Jimmy Underscore eat World. Now it's read Jillian Robertson must

2126
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 2: be due for a ranked strawweight. How about Robertson versus Carolina.

2127
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 2: We were talking about Jim Miller last week. I'm not

2128
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 2: comparing Jim Miller explicitly to Jillian Robertson, but we were saying, like,

2129
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, there's elite achievement and there's not. Robertson is

2130
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: I think a third now on this list for strawweight stoppages.

2131
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 2: But she I don't know how many ranked fighters that

2132
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 2: would include. So this will we get to like who

2133
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,839
Speaker 2: did you beat? When did you beat them? These questions

2134
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 2: matter to me more than how long you did it.

2135
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 2: But I do also recognize how long you did it

2136
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 2: is a different but still laudable achievement. I'll just put

2137
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: that out there.

2138
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this was a great win against Vianna.

2139
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 3: This really was. She does juggle wins and losses a

2140
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 3: lot along the way and is lost to some very

2141
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 3: talented fighters. If this is sort of a turning point

2142
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 3: for her, I mean, she's starting to show herself, Luke,

2143
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 3: but I still need to see a little bit more,

2144
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 3: especially in this division. It's tough stuff, all right.

2145
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 2: Where is your pants on the pants O Meter? Pants

2146
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: to ankles meter on that one.

2147
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 3: First of all, I think that's that's despicable. But I

2148
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 3: would like this fight because Carolina has put together the

2149
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 3: wind streak of lower level fighters, but to come back

2150
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 3: in a little name value there, she's very durable Cobo

2151
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 3: Kevitch as well, So I think this would be a

2152
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,759
Speaker 3: good test, not great on the ground.

2153
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 2: Can't say she doesn't, you know what I mean?

2154
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I got so bad, And I'm in

2155
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 3: this awkward spot where it's like, do I interrupt Luke

2156
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 3: and tell him that do I just go pee right

2157
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 3: there while he talks to himself? Or do I just

2158
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 3: hold it until the end of the shit? Luke? This

2159
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 3: is how.

2160
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 2: About this one? I'll answer this one and when you

2161
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: come back you can answer it. But go right now, Okay,

2162
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 2: thank you? Wait, why don't you just wear an adult

2163
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 2: diaper like a real man and go on yourself?

2164
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 3: Luke, I gotta go see about a horse. You know

2165
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 3: what I mean? You're a man about a horse?

2166
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh? Question number four from Jonathan to Daren. However

2167
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: the fuck you say it? With so many controversial decisions,

2168
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 2: what would it actually take for a change? Fan outrage

2169
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 2: and pushback fighters push back immunity, Dana working with commissions.

2170
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 2: It would take the ladder of those three. Dana working

2171
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: with commissions, not so much data. But you know Mark

2172
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 2: Rattner or somebody in the UFC organization to do that, right.

2173
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 2: So if you listen to my live chat or even

2174
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,799
Speaker 2: this show, you've heard me describe this any number of times.

2175
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 2: The UFC doing what they called running to regulation when

2176
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: the previous seg owners of UFC did not was ultimately

2177
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 2: what saved them. And there's probably a fair amount of

2178
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 2: truth to that argument. Not totally, there's a bit of

2179
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: a zoof of myth, but there is something to be

2180
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 2: said for moving two regulations, getting the athletic commissions to

2181
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 2: sanction it as a way to preserve what could have

2182
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 2: been otherwise banned by the government. On the other hand,

2183
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 2: here is the problem. You have other organizations in sports,

2184
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 2: and of course differences in many maybe ways where they

2185
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 2: make this apples to oranges comparison certainly not apples to apples.

2186
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 2: But the NFL will tinker with its rules, and they

2187
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 2: have a formalized process as well. But in short, they'll

2188
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 2: tinker with their rules between seasons. So will the NBA

2189
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 2: so or really any of these leagues, they'll tinker with

2190
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 2: what they want to. Now, if you're a Major League

2191
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Baseball and you want to introduce a pitching clock, they

2192
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 2: want to wait to other minor league teams that experimented

2193
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 2: with it and see what kind of results there were.

2194
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 2: But they had the ability when they wanted to change

2195
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 2: the rules. The UFC does not. They do not have

2196
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 2: that ability. They do not have the ability to get

2197
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 2: a cleaner rule set. They do not have the ability

2198
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 2: to get a better judging system. They do not in

2199
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 2: the sense of just, you know, just snapping their fingers

2200
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 2: and making it happen. They and there is of course

2201
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 2: no national commission, so they could go to the Association

2202
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 2: of Boxing Commissions and they could say, we want this

2203
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 2: to be our rules. But in terms of the binding

2204
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 2: power that they have in MMA, the ABC has positively

2205
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 2: fuck all, zero none. They cannot make any state athletic

2206
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: commission do anything. So they'd have to do what they

2207
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 2: once did, which is go to all fifty states to

2208
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 2: get these kinds of things changed. If they really felt

2209
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 2: like they had a better system to implement PC, that

2210
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 2: made these kinds of controversies less likely. But that to

2211
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 2: me seems very unlikely, does it not.

2212
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say what I'm about to say,

2213
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 3: and then you're gonna say it's very unlikely. And it's

2214
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 3: the same conversation we've been having a combat sports in

2215
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 3: general for multiple decades. But can we just get a

2216
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 3: national sanctioning body organization that can say, okay, when these

2217
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 3: fights are in the US, whether it's boxing, slab like whatever,

2218
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 3: these are the rules sets we're going to use, period,

2219
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 3: and then work with the fight promoters and those when

2220
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 3: there needs to be changed, and have a system that

2221
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 3: can you know, vote and really try to look at

2222
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 3: what rules become outdated by the evolutions of the sport,

2223
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 3: what rules are you know, what rules need to be

2224
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 3: added to prevent dangerous situations like let's put adults in

2225
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 3: a room instead of just going state by state, and

2226
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 3: these Chamber of commerce offers offices that just want the

2227
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 3: promoters to come back so they'll do anything. You're always

2228
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,879
Speaker 3: going to say, well, it's going to lead to corruption

2229
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 3: and all of that. Probably maybe yeah, I mean okay,

2230
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 3: but can we at least try in the beginning to

2231
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 3: pretend that it's there for a reason to do good

2232
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 3: Because the system we have now sucks. Look, it's not

2233
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 3: a system, just sucks all that.

2234
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last and not least be.

2235
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 3: Some You're starting to get the old guy rant thing

2236
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 3: down pretty good. It's you know, going to drive away viewers,

2237
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 3: but it's going to help me on a front porch

2238
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 3: one day when I'm screaming at the clouds. It's gonna

2239
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 3: be great. Yeah.

2240
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 2: Uh from vvs V versus arts. I don't know what

2241
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 2: the fuck? Hi, Luken b C. What is the best

2242
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 2: piece of advice you've ever gotten that still sticks with

2243
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 2: you today? I honestly think the best advice I've ever

2244
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: gotten was quote, stop caring what other people think about you.

2245
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I agree with that as

2246
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 2: being good, but okay, really want you to know. Excuse me,

2247
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 2: really want to know what you guys have. What do

2248
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 2: you think we see best piece of advice?

2249
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's levels to that advice. It could

2250
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 3: be the best piece of advice to say, you know,

2251
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 3: not worrying about what other people think, but you've got

2252
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 3: to get to certain levels in your maturity and growth

2253
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 3: to where that becomes a superpower for you rather than

2254
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 3: leading you to become unself aware. I would say the

2255
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 3: best piece of advice I ever heard, randomly enough, okay,

2256
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 3: randomly enough from one of my favorite VHS cassettes of

2257
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 3: all time. Luke, No, I'm not going down the road

2258
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,799
Speaker 3: you think I do. But it was called super Slams

2259
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 3: of the NBA that I, you know, wore out in

2260
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 3: middle school. And for some reason, when Spudweb was talking

2261
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 3: about winning the eighty six done contest, you know, five

2262
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 3: foot seven and overcoming the odds and all that, he

2263
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 3: very in pasting said, if you don't believe in yourself,

2264
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,560
Speaker 3: no one else will. And I don't think I was

2265
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 3: able to really weaponize that or or even understand the

2266
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 3: importance of that and why that could become a a

2267
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 3: you know, an oasis in a store until late much

2268
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 3: later in life. Really, you know, my mid third. I mean,

2269
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 3: look at some ways career wise, I don't think I

2270
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 3: really came into a full level of confidence until I

2271
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 3: was forty, really like a full true man level of

2272
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 3: self esteem and confidence. We all grow and walk our

2273
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 3: own battle, but that's ultimately the biggest truth of all.

2274
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you don't have to know how

2275
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna get there or what it's going to look like.

2276
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 3: But it's not faked till you make it. It's it's

2277
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 3: declaring enough of the doubt and the fear. And if

2278
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 3: you're ever gonna move forward, at some point you've got

2279
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 3: to believe in something right, and you might as well

2280
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 3: believe in yourself, because you know your words and your thoughts,

2281
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 3: like the like the food you put in your body

2282
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,760
Speaker 3: fuel you. And even before you've earned it. You know,

2283
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali said he was the greatest before we knew it,

2284
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:50,839
Speaker 3: And all that you know is that just one special person.

2285
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 3: I look back at the magic of McGregor, was he

2286
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 3: just more confident, more willing, more hopeful, more optimistic? The

2287
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 3: mind is the ultimate muscle. We haven't figured out how

2288
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 3: to flex and train and keep strong, but at least

2289
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 3: in this modern day, we're making strides. But Luke, self

2290
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 3: belief is not just a thing. I mean, it's everything.

2291
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 3: It's absolutely everything.

2292
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 2: If you don't have it, you won't you won't be

2293
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 2: successful at anything.

2294
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 3: You won't Yeah, because you're gonna fail a lot.

2295
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna embarrass the ship when it gets hard, you'll fail,

2296
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 2: and then take it personally other than you know, you know,

2297
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 2: other than learning a lesson. BC's right, if you don't.

2298
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean because you have self confidence that you're

2299
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 2: going to achieve. No, but if you don't you will

2300
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 2: there is no chance, you have no hope, it will

2301
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:40,639
Speaker 2: not happen. Simple as that.

2302
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 3: Do you have any good advice?

2303
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Two things.

2304
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:44,679
Speaker 3: One.

2305
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 2: Anybody who says to you and everything happens for a

2306
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 2: reason is almost certainly a fucking idiot. Just remember that.

2307
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 2: Remember that. I remember that I said that.

2308
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 3: I don't know that sounds a little too heavy.

2309
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 2: It's it's it's the it's the most sophomoric nothing, piece

2310
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,759
Speaker 2: of absolutely disprovable bullshit like it totally is not true.

2311
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 2: But neither here nor there.

2312
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 3: Well, hold on on, don't keep going. You don't think

2313
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 3: you can look back on your life and realized there

2314
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 3: were a lot of moments that initially seemed like a

2315
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 3: death sentence or something awful that happened to you, that

2316
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 3: through maturity and growth, you look back and go, Wow,

2317
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 3: that breakup or whatever was the best thing that ever

2318
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 3: happened to me.

2319
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you can do that. I don't think that.

2320
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean the idea that that's universally true and that

2321
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 2: these things are all connected in some kind of ultimately

2322
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 2: beautiful or an otherwise benign way is absolutely not true.

2323
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 2: Do there are a lot of things that happen that

2324
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 2: I have stinging regret with that? Yes, it might have

2325
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 2: made me better about some of the lessons I learned,

2326
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 2: but I may have caused harm to somebody else. I

2327
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 2: may have harmed other things that were not fixable. And

2328
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 2: I don't think that had to happen. I don't think

2329
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 2: it did happen for a reason other than some kind

2330
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 2: of cataclysmic mistake or profound error in judgment, and that

2331
01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 2: this is, you know, some kind of cosmic design or

2332
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 2: something when it just brought harm to people or the universe. No,

2333
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't think that at all. I don't. I don't

2334
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 2: agree with that in any way. Also, if you know,

2335
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 2: to go back to the previous conversation, if you're a

2336
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 2: child who's living in Gaza right now, this is happening

2337
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 2: multiple times a day where you have to go get

2338
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 2: a limb amputated with no anesthesia, you might be asking

2339
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 2: do all things really happen for some kind of reason

2340
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 2: or is this just a comforting lie that we like

2341
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 2: to tell ourselves to make us not dwell necessarily on

2342
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 2: things that we don't want to dwell on in the

2343
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 2: way that we might have to.

2344
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 3: I get where you're going with that. It's sort of

2345
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 3: a pushback against the idea that everything's already been pre written.

2346
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 2: See b see my mom put a gun in her

2347
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 2: mouth and killed herself. That didn't happen for any kind

2348
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 2: of reason. I give a fuck about right when people

2349
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 2: say it happens to a reason for Oh, everything happens

2350
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 2: for a reason. Yeah dude, Yeah, dude, because my mom

2351
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 2: lost her fucking mind and then I lost my mother.

2352
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 2: Tell me, what the what the what the what? The

2353
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 2: cosmic reason is what I was supposed to smile upon

2354
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 2: for something like that. Well, while that shit, that shit

2355
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: robbed me, it changed me.

2356
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurt me.

2357
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,600
Speaker 2: It hurts to even say this word. I don't. I

2358
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 2: don't in any way look at this like a universe

2359
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 2: where everything happens for a reason.

2360
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, I'm certainly not pushing against that in that instance.

2361
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 3: I think what I was trying to say was that

2362
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 3: I get pushing back against the idea that, you know, universally,

2363
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 3: everything's been written, So why even make any decisions in

2364
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 3: your life because it's already been predestined. I don't believe that.

2365
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 3: I think along the way, you know, you can change

2366
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:31,600
Speaker 3: the path of your own life for negative reasons, and

2367
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 3: negative things can be introduced into your life that, yes,

2368
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 3: I would agree with, you may not necessarily be there

2369
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 3: for some life learning lesson. They may have just been

2370
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 3: somebody executing their own free will and and and unfortunately

2371
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 3: altering the course of your life in very negative ways.

2372
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,719
Speaker 3: But but I don't want to shut that idea down

2373
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 3: as being one hundred percent false or even anything. You

2374
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Luke. I do think there's a

2375
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 3: rhyme and reason to what happens in most things. But

2376
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 3: I think also man can step in and change, can

2377
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 3: step in and change the course that maybe they should

2378
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 3: have been up. Do you know what I mean?

2379
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. People get murdered on the street accidentally,

2380
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 2: drunk driver hits people, and now someone's a single widow

2381
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 2: who has to take care of two kids. And I

2382
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 2: think trying to tell people that like, oh, it's part

2383
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 2: of some kind of design, I think it's fucking cruel,

2384
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I don't.

2385
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, but I don't think that would be the

2386
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 3: first move by anyone after extreme tragedy anyway to be like, hey,

2387
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 3: don't worry about it.

2388
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 2: Surprised when people tell you an extreme tragedy, you'd be surprised.

2389
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 2: You'd be surprised.

2390
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 3: Probably.

2391
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people tell you all kinds of shit. I mean,

2392
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 2: it's you know, some of it's good, some of it's good,

2393
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 2: but some of the lasting on this to end in

2394
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 2: a more positive note than this, what I would say

2395
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 2: is be seen. I know you would agree with this too.

2396
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 2: There's probably been times where you thought like, hey, maybe

2397
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 2: I should be further along than I am, or where

2398
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 2: is this all leading to? And by the way, this

2399
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 2: business is such a place that like, you know, what's

2400
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:52,920
Speaker 2: what's it going to look like for me and BC

2401
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 2: in ten years? Who the hell knows? Who the hell knows.

2402
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 2: It's really hard to say, dude.

2403
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 3: We might be doing this show for free on a

2404
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,879
Speaker 3: street corner around our vision with a you know, original

2405
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 3: plan for pregame previews.

2406
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I mean is, but what I mean is,

2407
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 2: in all seriousness, the magic of building something are the

2408
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 2: little small things you do that you probably don't want

2409
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 2: to do, but you just do them anyway, And it's

2410
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 2: the slow accumulation of little wins that's really what it is.

2411
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,640
Speaker 2: There's no time where like, Okay, I've made it, I

2412
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 2: read this day, it all came true. It's sort of

2413
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 2: just any like the how did someone put it to

2414
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 2: me the other day? Are it's re rephrased it in

2415
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 2: a different way it was. There is no magic. The

2416
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 2: magic is on the other side of the little details

2417
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 2: of consistent work you're not doing. It's just consistent work.

2418
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 2: It's every day when you're supposed to showing up and

2419
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 2: doing the job to the best of your ability. And

2420
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 2: of course you're gonna fail. Everyone's gonna fail with that.

2421
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 2: But if you consistently work hard, if you consistently try

2422
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 2: to make good decisions, if you think and plan and

2423
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,599
Speaker 2: you consistently act on that vision, whether it's work, whether

2424
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 2: it's losing weight, whether it's finances, anything, it's those little

2425
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 2: daily victories that ultimately make up the big one that

2426
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 2: you enjoy in the end. Don't lose sight of the

2427
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,080
Speaker 2: fact that it's not a day that you reach. It's

2428
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 2: the little days of winning that actually matter the most.

2429
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:12,719
Speaker 3: That's why you lift them weights in the off season.

2430
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 2: Lift them in the off season, and with that BC,

2431
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 2: it's time to see your feces.

2432
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,320
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a perfect transition. Wow. I don't know

2433
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 3: where to go from there. Hey what I did though,

2434
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 3: I scow with the globe for the highs and the lows,

2435
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 3: the good, the bad, the ugly, the in between. Here's

2436
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 3: my shit. Have you friggin seen it? Luke UFC two

2437
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 3: ninety seven from Toronto to kick us off Myra Bs

2438
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 3: didn't didn't have the five round stamina. But I wonder

2439
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 3: Luke did this moment contribute to her gassing out at all?

2440
01:49:54,560 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 3: What the hell is this? Wo Oh?

2441
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you. I know the fighters love it,

2442
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 2: and I know sometimes the fans love it. I don't

2443
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 2: love buffer and fighters screaming at each other.

2444
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 3: No, it's extreme cringe to me. There's times it'll.

2445
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 2: Extreme cringe is a strong one. It's a strong one,

2446
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 2: but like.

2447
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes it'll catch me off guard and I'll be like, man,

2448
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 3: that was kind of cool. I just this felt weird.

2449
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 3: This a little weird. It was a little weird.

2450
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 2: But whatever I miss, I miss sometimes the stoic you

2451
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 2: know people, dude, I mean again, it was twenty years ago,

2452
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 2: but if you missed Fador's prime and you know how

2453
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 2: he would just look like he was fucking waiting for

2454
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 2: the bus before he went and just wrecked somebody. Shit.

2455
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 2: There was a certain kind of like special magic about that.

2456
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,839
Speaker 2: So if it was just like one or two guys

2457
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 2: or ladies who were like fist bumping in, like it

2458
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 2: was just Michael A Kisa or something, I would be cool.

2459
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 2: But like a bunch of them are doing it now,

2460
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, a, that's too much.

2461
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should just be like Claig Gueda and Diego

2462
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 3: Sanchez and we're like, well yeah, look at those.

2463
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly two maniacs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now everyone's doing it.

2464
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,799
Speaker 3: Luke, it's not all negativity here and Team Tiny Tornado

2465
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 3: and Rocky Pennington shout out to the new champion at

2466
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 3: one thirty five, here's your wholesome moment alert when Tisha

2467
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 3: and Company Ringside heard the decision.

2468
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this stuff.

2469
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this stuff.

2470
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 2: The kids, kids, the kids got like the gun range

2471
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 2: headphones on.

2472
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean you're like, that's a life changing moment,

2473
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 3: especially financially. So that's great to see.

2474
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 2: Definitely is and that is that Rocky's mom.

2475
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 3: I believe so. And then of course good friends with

2476
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,559
Speaker 3: Amanda and Nina from down there in South Florida.

2477
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said that, Rocky, Dude, Rocky, here's one

2478
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 2: you can say whatever you want about her, which you

2479
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: can't say is she didn't pay her dues, right, didn't.

2480
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 2: You cannot say that. Absolutely pay and to borrow from

2481
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 2: Dustin Poortier paid in full is what I would say.

2482
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 3: It's not as extreme age wise as what Glover did.

2483
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 3: But to lose a championship fight, to work all the

2484
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 3: way back years later, and in Rocky's case, she's thirty five,

2485
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 3: which is not nothing, Luke, not nothing, to come all

2486
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 3: the way back and win a championship even under these circumstances. Yes,

2487
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,719
Speaker 3: that's that's that's the type of stuff we need to applaud.

2488
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 3: More question, you mentioned Seawan Woodson's confusing win. Let's listen

2489
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 3: in on buff here for the winner.

2490
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:25,759
Speaker 5: My split decision sew one.

2491
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Guys, Sewn Woodson want to fight. He defend Sewn.

2492
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 3: Woodson, Ladies and gentlemen.

2493
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 2: It sounded like Charle, but it was Shawn Woodson.

2494
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

2495
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen that before. Luke, well done

2496
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 3: on DC to just correct the situation. I don't think

2497
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 3: Buffer screwed up, but does Sean and Charles sounded like, no,

2498
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 3: what is it?

2499
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 2: You know what it was? Once he I admit, for

2500
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 2: just a second he was like, uh, it was you

2501
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like.

2502
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,599
Speaker 3: A maybe that was at the shot.

2503
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: I'll say this too. By the way, it's a little

2504
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 2: more complicated you might imagine, like, for example, because of

2505
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 2: my in laws, Colombians have a hard time differentiating she

2506
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 2: from chi. So for example, they don't say sushi, they

2507
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 2: say suci like sue c h I almost they have

2508
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 2: a little bit war time. So but here's my point.

2509
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 2: Once he said Woodson, I was like, oh, yeah, okay,

2510
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: it's the it's the donk who looks like he can

2511
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:31,760
Speaker 2: dunk just you know, and scratch his knees standing up.

2512
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 2: But there you go.

2513
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the crowd was loud, obviously that played into it.

2514
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 3: Uh interesting stuff. Hey, here's d DP. Check out his

2515
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 3: face after the fight, and here's when he found out

2516
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 3: that Dana scored it against him.

2517
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,280
Speaker 2: Just serve for the record. Is there some people that

2518
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:48,599
Speaker 2: think I lost the fight.

2519
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 6: Dan?

2520
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 2: I said it, well, boot.

2521
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 3: Oh that's pretty cold, right.

2522
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he's pride, even if you don't know's or

2523
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 2: for him. He was out there hustling best he could

2524
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 2: a tough fight.

2525
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely, congratulations to the champion. Let's go over to Daniel

2526
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 3: Cormier from the Way in Show. You know they have

2527
01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 3: fun and high jinks over there. They got a wheel

2528
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 3: that looks a lot like ours. Let's listen to this

2529
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 3: piece of business. We have an agragement, we have an arrangement.

2530
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 3: Say that.

2531
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 7: You know, I just heard my ear bro Woodley like,

2532
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 7: so good putine all day.

2533
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 2: There is no specific time, you guys are wrong.

2534
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 3: Question for you? Oh yeah, Luke, come on this It

2535
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 3: was well timed, good you know what I mean?

2536
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 2: It was. It was it's a great it's a great joke.

2537
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 2: But now I'm reminded of the video and I had

2538
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 2: forgotten about it mercifully for a few days.

2539
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 3: That was a full meal, Luke. Wow, that it was

2540
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 3: something there that was great. All right, Let's go over

2541
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 3: to Dana White. We mentioned earlier sort of the whole

2542
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 3: Sean Strickland gate. What's a journalist rights? What's all that?

2543
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 3: Dana was asked about all this at the post by

2544
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 3: press conference. Here's his sound if you haven't heard it.

2545
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 8: But like you obviously give a long leash to your

2546
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 8: fighters about you know what they can say when they

2547
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 8: are up there with the UFC microphone and you are

2548
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 8: getting into territory of homophobia transphobia, Like, is.

2549
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 3: There I don't give anybody a leash.

2550
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 8: Well, I'm saying you a leash.

2551
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 4: I'm like free speech, control what people say. I'm going

2552
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 4: to tell people what to believe, going to tell people.

2553
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 4: I don't fucking tell any other human being what to say,

2554
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 4: what to think, And there's no leashes on't any of them?

2555
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 2: What is your question? I was asking that question. I'll

2556
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 2: move on though.

2557
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably a good idea. That's ridiculous to say I

2558
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 4: give somebody a leash. Free speech, brother, people can say

2559
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 4: whatever they want and they can believe whatever they want.

2560
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to ask a question rather than this,

2561
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 3: Rather than just laugh and just be like what a hypocrite,

2562
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 3: what the reporter should have said was then, what about

2563
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 3: the time you find Nate Diaz twenty thousand and suspended

2564
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 3: him three months for calling Brian Caraway a homophobic slur

2565
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 3: on Twitter? What about the Miguel.

2566
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 2: Torres changed his views? He would just say he's changed

2567
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 2: his views, you know, like what has happened between now

2568
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 2: and then?

2569
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 3: Paul Daily? Paul Daly got fired from the UFC and

2570
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 3: never fought there again. For that post fight sucker punch,

2571
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 3: Sean Stricklin just brawled in the crowd with DDP and

2572
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 3: they were like, Hey, this will make a great promotional video.

2573
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 2: I just want to go back to this real quickly.

2574
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 2: It's like, Oh, we don't tell guys what to believe. Well,

2575
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 2: you can tell someone that the certain things are off

2576
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 2: limits in terms of what they can say at a

2577
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:50,160
Speaker 2: press conference and not actually try to change the way

2578
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 2: they believe that those things are two different ones. But okay,

2579
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 2: folks would still have an issue with him telling someone

2580
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 2: what to say or not to say at a press conference.

2581
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 2: And here's my point. It's like, dude, I'm I'm I'm

2582
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,840
Speaker 2: all in favor of opening up the Overton window, but

2583
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 2: we need to be honest about this. Are you telling

2584
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,280
Speaker 2: me that a fighter can show up? And I'm not

2585
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 2: saying Sean did this. In fact, he did not in

2586
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 2: any way do this. But if the logic is he's

2587
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 2: not going to tell someone what they can do, can

2588
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 2: a white fighter go up to a black fighter and

2589
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 2: tell him he's going to like, uh, call him to

2590
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 2: his face like enward, nward, nward? Can they do that

2591
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 2: can they do something like that? Can they Can they

2592
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 2: show up with a swastika T shirt? Can they hile

2593
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 2: Hitler at a press conference? Can they say, you know,

2594
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 2: horrific things about the Jews? Can they do Holocaust and not?

2595
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 2: Like I mean? And the answer might be yes to

2596
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 2: these things. I don't think that they are. But this

2597
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 2: is my point. The thing is, no one's no one's

2598
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 2: crossed those lines yet, so we haven't had to have

2599
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 2: this conversation. But the idea he already They already took

2600
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 2: out the propolacity message from Islam maka Cheff. The whole

2601
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 2: thing is a charade, But I'm just pointing out no

2602
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 2: one's really fully tested the limits of that logic yet.

2603
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to see what happens when they do.

2604
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 3: Uh, Mike Ryan, by the way, the reporter was The.

2605
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 2: Reporter was John Pollock from I'm not sure what outlet

2606
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 2: he's in Canada, but it was not the same guy

2607
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 2: who had the issue.

2608
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 3: Was strictly absolutely that was Alexander Lee. All right, let's

2609
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 3: hear this is so Mike Ryan of the Loveatard Show,

2610
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 3: who had a pretty explosive rant after Strickland's comments, but

2611
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 3: aimed at ESPN he found an old school video of

2612
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 3: Dana that that does reference earlier times.

2613
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 4: Work at any company anywhere in America and go out

2614
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 4: and say ignorant stupid stuff publicly. Even on top of that,

2615
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 4: say it publicly at a big you know, a place

2616
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 4: where people can go read it, read it, or hear

2617
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:30,600
Speaker 4: it publicly and see what happens to you. There's there's

2618
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:33,879
Speaker 4: a way to voice your opinion without sounding like a bigot,

2619
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And he came off sounding

2620
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 4: like a complete jackass and a bigot.

2621
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 3: Wow, those those weights are those words are pretty heavy

2622
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 3: all these years later, Luke pretty heavy?

2623
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 2: Right?

2624
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2625
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean I don't have much to add, but he's

2626
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 2: certainly right.

2627
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 3: Interesting. Interesting, All right, let's go to the weekend in boxing.

2628
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 3: But we got an MMA's twist to it. Chris Cyborgan,

2629
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 3: her third professional boxing match, needed just one round, and

2630
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 3: really one. Check it out.

2631
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 2: I mean that one didn't even land clean and it's

2632
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 2: still knocked this poor lady down. What does she do

2633
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 2: for a living besides this?

2634
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:13,560
Speaker 3: Oh well, she just ate some canvas.

2635
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 2: Wow, and they braced their fall with their face. It's

2636
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 2: a wrap, it's a rap.

2637
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 3: What do you think about her now being trained by

2638
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 3: Jose Benaveda Senior, the father of David Dude.

2639
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 2: I fucking love it. Good for Cybon. I hope she

2640
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 2: gets a big fight before it's all said and done.

2641
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I watched that fight with you. I

2642
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 2: watched her kickbox. Maybe it was mo to forget the

2643
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,560
Speaker 2: rules exactly, but I watched her fight on hd net

2644
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 2: when she fought at Lyon against Una Bars and Urina

2645
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 2: tuned her. I remember that was like in shock watching

2646
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 2: that live.

2647
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 3: But what was the problem in that fight with the

2648
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:48,960
Speaker 3: technique of the of the.

2649
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 2: Arena, Bars is real, was real fucking good. That was

2650
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: the problem. It was like a may with a McGregor

2651
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 2: type of thing where it was like one person's really

2652
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:56,800
Speaker 2: good at this and one person is like, you know,

2653
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,200
Speaker 2: respectable at it, and that's that was the big difference.

2654
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,360
Speaker 3: Saturday in the UK, Luke women's boxing had a hell

2655
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:06,120
Speaker 3: of a welterweight title about as Natasha Jonas, thirty nine

2656
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 3: year old Natasha Jonas, by the way, really pushing this

2657
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,440
Speaker 3: stat of yours Luke. Oh wait, there's a different sport.

2658
02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 3: Her and MICHAELA Mayor had a classic, but it was

2659
02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 3: Jonas that got the somewhat disputed split decision, as Mayor

2660
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 3: came on late, and when you consider Mayor moved up

2661
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 3: two weight classes for this fight. Dude, I love this

2662
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 3: fight and I want to see it again. What were

2663
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:26,520
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this? Look at this one.

2664
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 2: I watched this one live as well. I thought Mayor

2665
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 2: edged it out. They were calling her there was something

2666
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:34,200
Speaker 2: that made it. I'm sorry, I thought May're edged it out.

2667
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:38,200
Speaker 2: They were calling her Margarito Margarita on Twitter because she

2668
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 2: was just eating everything and walking forward. The thing that

2669
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 2: goes back to me, dude, there's a similar kind of

2670
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 2: thing like when we learned about judging preferences in the

2671
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 2: real world, like compared to the DDP fight again in

2672
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 2: very different circumstances. But the point is this DDPS seemed

2673
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 2: to land harder shots. Jonas appeared to land harder shots

2674
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 2: even though a Mayor was putting a lot of damage

2675
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:00,920
Speaker 2: on her and was being really consistent and moving forward

2676
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 2: at times. Anyway, So I think it's a question of,

2677
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 2: like you can numerically outstrike someone. I don't know what

2678
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 2: the exact totals were in that fight, but there were

2679
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 2: times she was certainly getting outstruck. But the judges just

2680
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 2: value the big one that they can remember. That really

2681
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:14,720
Speaker 2: is the thing that has to that sticks with them.

2682
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 2: You know.

2683
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mayor really sold out and just committed to squaring up,

2684
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 3: walking down and making it a fight. It was exciting

2685
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 3: to watch. It was a big fight. I loved it,

2686
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 3: big big fan of Mayor. Even though Luke, she's she's

2687
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 3: lost a couple of title fights former unified champion. What

2688
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 3: downt like one thirty I believe, But she makes fun

2689
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 3: fights happen. So there was a watch this from the broadcast, Luke, check,

2690
02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't know who you picked for this fight. Watch

2691
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,320
Speaker 3: who this lady picked in the crowd. Watch closely here

2692
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:43,640
Speaker 3: after this at the end of the fight. Oh boy,

2693
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:47,560
Speaker 3: oh my godd, did she just pick it and eat it? Luke,

2694
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:49,560
Speaker 3: She's not gonna eat it? Right? Can we see that

2695
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 3: one more time?

2696
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:51,720
Speaker 2: Liking animals who do this?

2697
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 3: Watch this lady closely look at her pick the winner?

2698
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,080
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, you just disgusting.

2699
02:01:58,160 --> 02:02:01,360
Speaker 2: Just just hose her down and de Lausser, I mean what?

2700
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:05,000
Speaker 3: At absolutely last week in London we had the first

2701
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 3: face off between Joshua and Inganu ahead of their March showdown.

2702
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:11,760
Speaker 3: And look we already knew Frank was a big dude.

2703
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 3: But he looks bigger than AJ, right.

2704
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. AJ looks big dude. That Nick looks

2705
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:21,000
Speaker 2: like it's hard for him to wrap a fucking dresser around.

2706
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 3: Dude, this fight's going to rule. It's gonna rule.

2707
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:26,720
Speaker 2: I tell you again. I'm gonna say one more time.

2708
02:02:26,720 --> 02:02:28,280
Speaker 2: Bec did you end up getting a chance to hear

2709
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 2: my interview with Dewey Cooper?

2710
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,160
Speaker 3: Not yet, but I will believe that I will.

2711
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 2: Bro I'm telling you, I'm telling you he maybe he

2712
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:36,360
Speaker 2: doesn't convince you. I'm not saying I'll be like, oh,

2713
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:41,040
Speaker 2: Francis is gonna win, but you're gonna be like, maybe

2714
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:42,680
Speaker 2: maybe I'm.

2715
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,120
Speaker 3: Becoming a believer there. Also, did you see that Turkey

2716
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:48,720
Speaker 3: how do you say his last name? Turkey Ella? The

2717
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 3: Saudi guy who who's running their boxing, he claimed in

2718
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 3: an extended interview, So de Zone did a sit down

2719
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 3: interview with him that was basically tis a little bit

2720
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:03,160
Speaker 3: he blew him for any Yeah, but he said there

2721
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 3: was another interview where he said that he's having a

2722
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:08,120
Speaker 3: He made it sound like Luke that he's having a

2723
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 3: major health scare that could threaten his life and that

2724
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 3: that sped up his financial interest in making all of

2725
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 3: these big boxing fights happen, because now he's talking about

2726
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:19,760
Speaker 3: like Hany versus Tank, like he really wants to make

2727
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:23,040
Speaker 3: every fight fans want. What do you does that change

2728
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 3: your belief on this at all? Or understand? I mean

2729
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:26,520
Speaker 3: this is like if this guy's got some disease or

2730
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:28,960
Speaker 3: something and this is his dying wishes this Does this

2731
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 3: add a wrinkle to the story or am I romanticizing

2732
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 3: something that doesn't belong there?

2733
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I'm not going to take the Saudi's

2734
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 2: at their word.

2735
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I was just saying, hey, you're knock out of

2736
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 3: the weekend in boxing. Came from his own misfits, Luke.

2737
02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:46,320
Speaker 3: It was Tristan Ham against not Logan Paul. Did you

2738
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:48,360
Speaker 3: see this piece? Did you see this, Luke?

2739
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 2: There's not Logan dude. It looks like Scooby beating up

2740
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:58,520
Speaker 2: uh check. You know what I'm saying. It's like a

2741
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:00,240
Speaker 2: beaten dude.

2742
02:04:00,240 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 3: They should have stopped the fight right there.

2743
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 2: This is the guy from the street fight in New Orleans.

2744
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't know where where not Logan Paul comes from.

2745
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,200
Speaker 3: You'd have to educate me. But that's that's who.

2746
02:04:10,160 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, that wasn't the guy NDS

2747
02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:14,080
Speaker 2: choked down d choked out some other guy. Right.

2748
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:18,480
Speaker 3: Maybe anyway, they let this fight continue despite the mouthpiece

2749
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:20,240
Speaker 3: going out and this guy basically giving up on the

2750
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:24,240
Speaker 3: ropes and it didn't really spoiler alert go his way

2751
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,280
Speaker 3: if we can wait on it here, Luke, this is great.

2752
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they had Todd Grisham on this call, but

2753
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:31,400
Speaker 3: they had all these influencers that were just screaming over

2754
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 3: his voice.

2755
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 2: Nah, fed them the old Scooby snack ah.

2756
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,440
Speaker 3: Wow, all rights? Uh Luke?

2757
02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:39,760
Speaker 4: Uh?

2758
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:43,040
Speaker 3: Do you like donuts because I love them?

2759
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:44,480
Speaker 2: I love donuts.

2760
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:47,480
Speaker 3: Do you mind what shape they're in? Oh?

2761
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 2: God? Who got fired for this one?

2762
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 3: Huh wow? I think Mikey is like, let's pull that

2763
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:56,120
Speaker 3: and get to the next one. All right, let's go

2764
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:57,880
Speaker 3: to your main license plates of the week. You know

2765
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 3: those maniacs up there. Look, they'll put the put anything

2766
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:01,240
Speaker 3: on their plate.

2767
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:04,520
Speaker 2: H I V to poop? Oh wait, have to poop?

2768
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:07,120
Speaker 3: Okay, although h I V to poop would have been

2769
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:09,560
Speaker 3: interesting just the same. We've got one more from Maine.

2770
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:13,960
Speaker 2: All right, that's a little uh.

2771
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:19,360
Speaker 3: Those were three words. I don't know if you read

2772
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 3: that correctly, Luke, it was, yeah, it was. Okay, I've heard, I've.

2773
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:29,200
Speaker 2: Heard, I've heard songs like that make the coochie breathe.

2774
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:29,840
Speaker 2: You know what can you do?

2775
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 8: Wow? Wow?

2776
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:34,800
Speaker 3: Okay, there we go, more poutine. It's time for abuse

2777
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 3: for all ages. First stop elders, Luke.

2778
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:46,600
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh a nice boat shoes. Fuck face, it's

2779
02:05:46,640 --> 02:05:49,640
Speaker 2: not gonna end. We look at this dumb old fuck yeah, bitch,

2780
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:55,520
Speaker 2: Call life alert, asshole, call life alert.

2781
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 3: He's fallen and he will not be getting up at all.

2782
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:01,840
Speaker 3: Let's go now, let's go to the younger generation, Luke,

2783
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 3: Let's get some kid abuse in here.

2784
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 2: Bah dude, okay, Oh, let me tell you something. Let

2785
02:06:08,280 --> 02:06:10,160
Speaker 2: me tell you something, Let me tell you something. Let

2786
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 2: me tell you something.

2787
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:11,720
Speaker 3: Please.

2788
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:15,200
Speaker 2: I thought I had seen it all. I thought I

2789
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:18,840
Speaker 2: had seen it all. BC Pop Quiz, Pop quiz, Serious question,

2790
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:19,800
Speaker 2: pop quiz.

2791
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:20,920
Speaker 3: Yes, hot shot.

2792
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:27,760
Speaker 2: Where do most kids get injured on the playground? Chuck

2793
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 2: e cheese, No, no, no, no, but like what part

2794
02:06:30,160 --> 02:06:31,800
Speaker 2: of the playground? What part of the playground?

2795
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 3: I would guess the monkey bars, the jungle gym that

2796
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:36,360
Speaker 3: those giants.

2797
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:40,600
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm morem an outdoor parks or playgrounds I

2798
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:42,680
Speaker 2: can tell you from like taking my daughter to the park.

2799
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:45,720
Speaker 2: It has been a unanimous answer. It is the kids

2800
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:48,760
Speaker 2: who walk in front of the swings and then some

2801
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:51,600
Speaker 2: kid is then on the swing and they can't stop

2802
02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:54,640
Speaker 2: and they punt those fucking kids into orbit. I have

2803
02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:58,960
Speaker 2: seen it fifty times. BC. I found something else. I

2804
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:01,680
Speaker 2: took my kids sledding twice this week, okay, and we

2805
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 2: went to the Capitol Grounds for a long time, like

2806
02:07:03,800 --> 02:07:05,920
Speaker 2: on the backsteps of the stack. We jan sixed it

2807
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:09,080
Speaker 2: over there. Oh yeah, the city. The city had closed

2808
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 2: it off for many years. It's been open now for

2809
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 2: some time. It was open when I was a kid.

2810
02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:13,560
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, you could play hockey games

2811
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:15,800
Speaker 2: in the reflecting pool if it was frozen. You can't

2812
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:17,760
Speaker 2: do that shit anymore, but you can sled down the

2813
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 2: back side of the Capitol hence Capitol Hill right. Took

2814
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:24,320
Speaker 2: my kid out there. Can I tell you how many

2815
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 2: house frows, who clearly had never done this before, would

2816
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:32,200
Speaker 2: stand in the middle of the slope back turned to

2817
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 2: all the kids sledding. Dude, I watched Violetta tear about

2818
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:40,800
Speaker 2: fifteen acls out this motherfucker just I mean, turning adults

2819
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:43,560
Speaker 2: off of that'd be ass over tea kettle. HARII GoChi

2820
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:46,400
Speaker 2: the whole fucking way. I could not believe it, and

2821
02:07:46,440 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 2: I would try to like angle them off, but of

2822
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:50,600
Speaker 2: course once they go, you know, they're off to whatever's direction.

2823
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:55,840
Speaker 2: And it kept fucking happening. People of the world. Don't

2824
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:58,880
Speaker 2: fucking stand with your back to the where the kids

2825
02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:01,720
Speaker 2: are sledding unless you want to go ass over tea

2826
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:04,720
Speaker 2: kettle with a kid missile going eight hundred miles an hour.

2827
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:06,600
Speaker 2: I saw a bunch the past week.

2828
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 3: Now you know, and knowing is half the battle. Wow, Luke,

2829
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:14,160
Speaker 3: let's keep it going here. One more for uh DDP

2830
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:15,600
Speaker 3: versus what's Mikey saying?

2831
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 2: He says, you're using two key as a bowling ball.

2832
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:22,080
Speaker 3: Take out half of the d I would take him.

2833
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:24,320
Speaker 2: I'll be let's go sledding where there's no one standing,

2834
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 2: but then the sled goes sideways. Bam, just taking out

2835
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 2: four buck.

2836
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 3: Clinko, you have no idea where it's going to land? Yeah,

2837
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:33,720
Speaker 3: uh Luke. One more on strickling and d DP. This

2838
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:40,960
Speaker 3: one brought to you by Joe Hogan, who shop What about.

2839
02:08:42,240 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 2: Check Donald Trump Junior? How about Luke Thomas Luke Thomas says,

2840
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:51,320
Speaker 2: good first round. This is twenty six minutes ago.

2841
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 3: So after.

2842
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,440
Speaker 2: She said before, it says this one's gonna be close.

2843
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:00,920
Speaker 2: I can see forty forty seven either or it's on

2844
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:01,879
Speaker 2: papers we imagined.

2845
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:16,240
Speaker 3: So he said the last two rounds, I definitely think

2846
02:09:16,280 --> 02:09:20,280
Speaker 3: he won the fourth. You think he won the fifth? Well,

2847
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:21,880
Speaker 3: that was longer than it need to be, Luke, But

2848
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:25,840
Speaker 3: that was Joe Rogan calling out you as sort of

2849
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:27,720
Speaker 3: like they're like, how did Trump Junior have it? And

2850
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,080
Speaker 3: he's like, wait, how did Luke Thomas have it? That

2851
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:32,880
Speaker 3: was that was a I've never seen you and Trump

2852
02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 3: Junior in the same sentence before.

2853
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:36,880
Speaker 2: Uh, somebody said he did it during one of the

2854
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 2: Vulcan Islam what do you call it? Fight companions as well.

2855
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,720
Speaker 2: It's weird he won't return my texts, but but or

2856
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:49,280
Speaker 2: he hasn't. I've stopped texting, but uh, but he'll shot

2857
02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 2: me out on occasion. I guess that's nice.

2858
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:52,840
Speaker 3: You know, I hope it's not because I believe that

2859
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:55,160
Speaker 3: he dresses like a bus boy during UFC pay per

2860
02:09:55,240 --> 02:09:57,240
Speaker 3: views that you think that's related at all, because I

2861
02:09:57,240 --> 02:09:58,280
Speaker 3: would apologize. I do.

2862
02:09:58,720 --> 02:10:00,440
Speaker 2: I doubt it. I did call you huh co host

2863
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:02,960
Speaker 2: on that show though that I will always have that

2864
02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:03,840
Speaker 2: in my back pocket.

2865
02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the first times you've broken my heart, Luke,

2866
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:08,840
Speaker 3: Just one of the first ones. All right, let's keep

2867
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:11,040
Speaker 3: this going. Where are we in the list? Okay? Uh?

2868
02:10:11,480 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 3: I've worked fast food? So have you restaurants suck? Watch

2869
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:16,400
Speaker 3: this guy's situation.

2870
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:20,080
Speaker 2: Oh my fucking look at all that barbecue. Oh bitch,

2871
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:21,600
Speaker 2: look at the eyes.

2872
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 3: Bitch. Oh boy, that's that's a bad day. You walk

2873
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:26,440
Speaker 3: away from the store when that happened. That's a quit

2874
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 3: your job type of day. All right, A couple more

2875
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 3: on the way out here. Uh, this is your commentary

2876
02:10:31,680 --> 02:10:33,480
Speaker 3: moment of the week comes from this cricket match.

2877
02:10:34,120 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 6: Bulls, maybe even a bouncer put put square back, put

2878
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:40,840
Speaker 6: fine leg back, make the batsman think twice about it,

2879
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:42,160
Speaker 6: and even if you want to trap him on the

2880
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:44,880
Speaker 6: front foot. I'd just like to see some more aggressive

2881
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 6: tactics from the fielding side here. My mouth is very

2882
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:52,880
Speaker 6: dry because I've had a line of cocaine.

2883
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:03,840
Speaker 2: Us to be outside. Yeah, apparently we've been playing the

2884
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 2: wrong sport, BC, Wrong sport.

2885
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 3: Look, do you know the rapper fat boy?

2886
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:13,240
Speaker 2: By any chance, I know a lot of fat rappers.

2887
02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:15,200
Speaker 3: But no, no, if I know that one, he's not

2888
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:17,480
Speaker 3: part of the Fat Boys and their incredible movie from

2889
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:20,840
Speaker 3: the eighties, Delirious. Did you watch that? No? Just sorry,

2890
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 3: not Delirious. That was Eddie Murphy Special Disorderlies starring the

2891
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:25,960
Speaker 3: Fat Boy. Yes Disorder.

2892
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:28,800
Speaker 2: Yes, fat Boys had a moment. They had a moment.

2893
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 3: This is fat Boy and he's living out your dream

2894
02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 3: of being a human bomb. You couldn't last more than

2895
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:38,720
Speaker 3: two seconds in this thing.

2896
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 2: Luke, I wouldn't want to again, folks, I want you

2897
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 2: to understand something. When I get cancer or I get

2898
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,560
Speaker 2: some kind of terminal condition, this is how I want

2899
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:53,000
Speaker 2: the state to administer my death, just like this.

2900
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:56,320
Speaker 3: So fat Boy had to break out during it because

2901
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:58,800
Speaker 3: he was getting overwhelmed. Could you stand in there during

2902
02:11:58,840 --> 02:11:59,320
Speaker 3: that whole thing?

2903
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:02,120
Speaker 2: Or would you? I certainly hope not. Yeah, yeah, I

2904
02:12:02,240 --> 02:12:04,240
Speaker 2: certainly hope not. I certainly hope that I would die.

2905
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:06,840
Speaker 2: That's a great way to go. But again, in the

2906
02:12:06,920 --> 02:12:09,040
Speaker 2: words of who is it Crowbar, I forget the name

2907
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:12,880
Speaker 2: of the Philancelmo band, but bury me in smoke. That's

2908
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 2: what I want. Burying me in smoke, all all the

2909
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 2: friggin smoke two more for you.

2910
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 3: Is this lady turning on or scare you?

2911
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:27,480
Speaker 2: It's up to you, Luke, if we could, if you

2912
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:32,720
Speaker 2: have her number. She's a little bit old, you know,

2913
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:35,800
Speaker 2: not necessarily in my direct wheelhouse, but she appears to

2914
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 2: be a woman of considerable talent.

2915
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would call her at Kugar and where I

2916
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 3: come from. You know what I mean.

2917
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean she just swallowed that that wiener, I mean,

2918
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:45,240
Speaker 2: just swallowed it.

2919
02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,960
Speaker 3: And we've got one more to close here. Luke, you've

2920
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:51,600
Speaker 3: been You love farting so much it's almost like art.

2921
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:54,920
Speaker 2: To you, right, Yeah, I put the art in that,

2922
02:12:55,120 --> 02:12:56,720
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Put the art in that.

2923
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:12,760
Speaker 3: Allow me, allow me. That's your shit of the week.

2924
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:14,200
Speaker 3: I hope you saw it. There you go.

2925
02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:17,680
Speaker 2: Well, this is the worst show ever. We deserve to

2926
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:20,480
Speaker 2: be uh you know, canceled, but we are somehow trudging on.

2927
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:22,760
Speaker 2: So thank you guys, everyone who watched. Thank you to

2928
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 2: Mikey Morms on the ones and twos getting the show

2929
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:27,960
Speaker 2: ready and carrying it out today. Reminder everyone, let's get

2930
02:13:27,960 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 2: the social graphic up if we can, Mikey very quickly.

2931
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,160
Speaker 2: As a reminder, you can follow us on all of

2932
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 2: these different places for me NBC as well as Morning Combat.

2933
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 3: Let's see we got if the fan said, when can

2934
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:43,880
Speaker 3: we expect you guys again, Well, next week for sure. Yeah,

2935
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:47,200
Speaker 3: we'll be popping in for some interviews, some things going on.

2936
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 3: If there's breaking news.

2937
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:50,800
Speaker 2: Will be around right Listen. The best way to get

2938
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 2: information about what we're going to be doing next is

2939
02:13:53,120 --> 02:13:55,920
Speaker 2: to follow us on social That is where you're going

2940
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,600
Speaker 2: to get exactly there you go, That's where you're gonna

2941
02:13:58,600 --> 02:14:02,440
Speaker 2: get it. So Morning Combat on Insta, Twitter, and TikTok,

2942
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:05,240
Speaker 2: and then it's l Thomas News and L Thomas respectively

2943
02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:08,240
Speaker 2: Instagram and Twitter, and then for BC it's Brian C.

2944
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,080
Speaker 2: Campbell on Instagram and then just beat Campbell over on

2945
02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:13,360
Speaker 2: Twitter there as well. Follow us there you'll get your

2946
02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:14,520
Speaker 2: good information as well.

2947
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's first goal from like the three yard line

2948
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:19,920
Speaker 3: right now, and once we get in that end zone,

2949
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:23,040
Speaker 3: you guys will hear exactly exactly the full plan and

2950
02:14:23,080 --> 02:14:25,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna love it. You're gonna love the way it looks.

2951
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:28,040
Speaker 2: On you you see it. So reminder there as well

2952
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 2: Morningcombat Dot Store to get any merch that might be.

2953
02:14:29,960 --> 02:14:31,560
Speaker 2: By the way, I got my factory town m sure

2954
02:14:31,600 --> 02:14:32,080
Speaker 2: on how about that?

2955
02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:35,400
Speaker 3: Right? Oh? I love that love that stuff. Yes, all right.

2956
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,880
Speaker 2: Uh and then last but not least BC Morning Combat

2957
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,160
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com to reach Mikey and or the

2958
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:42,480
Speaker 2: show at anything else you might have.

2959
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so people want to know if we're still doing

2960
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Speaker 3: fan subs. We are, send them in, send them in, well,

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Speaker 3: send them in. If we got enough good ones, we'll

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Speaker 3: do them next next Monday. All right, see what happened.

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Speaker 2: And we know, by the way, like there's not gonna

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Speaker 2: be a regular live show on February, as you guys

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Speaker 2: may already be aware of. But we're already talking like

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Speaker 2: there's a bunch of big f to you. I'd be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna do a post fight show for the UFC

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Speaker 2: pay per view? Absolutely, what about that Bellator versus PFL card. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we'll have coverage of that, and we have in Mexico

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Speaker 2: City is coming up. We'll have some coverage of that.

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Speaker 2: Isn't fury you sick in February as well?

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Speaker 3: Or do they move February seventeenth, Yes, same day as

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Speaker 3: the pay.

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Speaker 2: Per view exactly till that day. Well, you'll hear from

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Speaker 2: us a lot, and there'll be other times as well. Again,

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Speaker 2: social media is gonna where we're gonna be announcing this

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. If you have any questions, so you see,

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Speaker 2: any final thoughts before we get out of here.

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Speaker 3: Uh I just want to say thank you to our listeners,

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Speaker 3: our viewers for standing by us through like every change

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Speaker 3: that's come our way, right, I mean, the pandemic was

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Speaker 3: not easy, right. We luckily we had the technology to

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Speaker 3: keep the show going, and we've been you know, almost

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Speaker 3: every mk all every day damn near almost all the

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Speaker 3: days since. Then, give us a chance to finish this

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Speaker 3: little breakof and this next chapter is gonna be spectacular.

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Speaker 3: But all the p ones, all the day ones, whether

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Speaker 3: you hated us and came back or you're still away,

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Speaker 3: we needed you and you guys were there for us

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Speaker 3: to win award, to you know, help us do this

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Speaker 3: for a living, to bring this ridiculousness to you. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: We mean that big fancy guys.

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Speaker 2: More than ever. Thank you guys so much. We really

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Whether you like what we have to

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Speaker 2: say or hate it, if you're stuck by us, if

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Speaker 2: you've supported the show in any capacity, we are grateful

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Speaker 2: for every single one of you and every single one

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Speaker 2: of those acts. We don't take them for granted because

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Speaker 2: it's easy to be hateful BC. It's actually it's for

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Speaker 2: someone to do something nice for you, send you a

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Speaker 2: nice note, send it around to the friends. Actually takes

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Speaker 2: a little bit something different inside. So anybody who does that,

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Speaker 2: who makes that effort, I really appreciate. Yes, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: quick shout out.

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Speaker 3: You know our great fan, Sefarino Luke, who sent us

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Speaker 3: a bunch of gifts to the studio. I got the

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Speaker 3: Depeche Mode record that I've been listening to. I love it.

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Speaker 3: His cat Onion passed away, and that was a man,

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Speaker 3: like a life partner, like a rock of his life,

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Speaker 3: and I know that feeling. You just went through that

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Speaker 3: with a couple of animals in recent years too, Luke.

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Speaker 3: It's the worst, and I don't look down on when

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Speaker 3: people lose a companion in that sense. So shout out

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Speaker 3: to you, sef Reno and your family, and we wish

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Speaker 3: you well during this transition. But uh, Onion a real one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Shouts to Onion and everyone else's pets out there. All right,

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Speaker 2: With that in mind, we are done for the day.

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Speaker 2: So again, thinking to Mikey, thinking to CBS Sports. That's BCMLT.

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Speaker 2: You just watched MK and until next time, may all

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Speaker 2: of your gains be loyal

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