WEBVTT - Right Complexion for the Protection 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.400 That's how we owned it. What's up? Family is your 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.000 girl to make a d. Mallory and it's your boy 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.959 my son in general, and we are your host of 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:21.280 street politicians the place. What's up? A lot happening? Yeah, man, 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.400 it's been a tough week. Man, it's one. It's one 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.160 of the weeks that your body start hurting, your mind 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.320 start hurting, your heart hurt. It's a lot going on. Yeah. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.639 The travel too has been brutal. We've been zig zagging 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:40.120 across the country, going and spending a little time with 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.720 the team down in Brunswick, Georgia. We went down and 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.519 hugged up and loved up on Wanda Cooper Ahmad Arby's 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.800 mother and also spent some time with our legal friends 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:58.000 Lee married Benjamin Crump and the whole team there, um, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.960 you know, and really to support the family. Also got 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.440 to see our sister Tesla and figure oh um, you 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.319 know until freedom doing what we do and uh, that 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.959 was one part of our journey, um, and we have 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.840 continued over the last I guess you know, several days, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.720 last several weeks, I think I was talking to our 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.720 guests that are coming up today's special guests about how 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.880 many flights we as until Freedom have been on in 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.080 the last week, and we were somewhere at like twelve 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.400 flights the last few weeks. Excuse me, um, twelve flights 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.640 with connections and whatever else. It's it's definitely mentally, physically 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:45.840 and emotionally taxing. Yeah, it really is. Man. Just you know, 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:50.680 for me, this written house Um verdict, even though it 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.360 was the shock and it's still it's still demoralized, and 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.840 it just takes a lot of win out of yourselves 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.920 when we can look at, you know, the same situations 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.320 go over and over and people justified since its murder 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.280 and things of that nature, especially when it comes to 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.960 either us or situations that regard us. You know, it 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.160 just gives me. When I was watching and then today 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.240 i'm you know, we're still waiting on the verdict for 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:23.560 the mare Albury trial, and then they did please don't 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:29.280 say that the trial for the murderers of ama Arebury, 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.080 and very requested to see that video again and every time, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.839 I don't care how many times I see it, it's 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:41.920 still just it just terrorizes me. It just destroys my 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:46.120 whole soul. And then it gets back to the situation 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.440 with you know, treyvon Martin. It's the same exactly when 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.399 you really think about it's the same exact thing that 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.480 you know. These people think they have the privilege, you know, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.280 to walk up through these guns and demand that you 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.079 stand somewhere and demand that you do what they tell you. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.840 And when you fight for your life, you have to 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.280 even you have to fight to be able to fight 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.480 for your life, you have to give. You have to 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.840 give reasoning to why people can't just containe and and 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.200 and shoot you without without you doing anything wrong man, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.680 as a black man in America. So you know that 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.080 was alone was a lot. And then like you said, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.840 the traveling the way and tell my body and but 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.800 it is what it is, man, This is the life 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.560 that shows us. This is what you know, God put 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.160 us here to do. Man. So as much as it 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.880 gets us weary, man, that's what we gotta do. So 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.640 that's what we have to do. It's what we've called 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.600 to do. And um I am glad to be doing 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.680 it with two people that are going to join us today. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:50.400 I posted yesterday you and and and my brother Angelo 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.120 Pintil who's coming up. Y'all gotten on my nerves so 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:58.200 bad with all our conversations, because you know, we talked deep, um, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.200 and I was thinking about how much y'all annoyed me, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.480 and then yet how I couldn't do what I do 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:08.320 without you all. Um. You know how these these these 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:13.600 road trips and um, the time that we're out away 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.320 from our families, away from the comfort of our homes, UM, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:22.520 the stress of dealing with the naysayers, and also all 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.200 of the traumatized people in our communities that need us, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.719 um or or that don't think they need us, and 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.160 just all that we have to deal with. I don't 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.359 know how I could sustain myself and keep doing this 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.640 work without having the type of crew and family that 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.279 I have. And so having our brother and sister, Attorney 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.640 Angelo Pinto, and also lend us our sure of my 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.120 partner and everything UH to be on with us today 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.920 for this special Today, we're gonna just talk straight through 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.000 about some of these these these cases. We've been talking 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.840 so much about it in the car while we were 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:05.120 down at the the the thankful thankfully it was not 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.120 the execution of Julius Jones, but it could have been. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.799 And we were on the road driving back and forth 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.120 from taking flights Tulsa Oklahoma. That was just last week. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.040 You would think that this these things are happening like 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.279 farms spread apart, but in fact they're happening right behind 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.839 one another. And that was just again last week that 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.680 we were on the road, and the conversations that we 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.120 have are so deep, we said we got to bring 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.320 them to the street, politicians, family and really have the 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.760 transparent moment of talking about where we are and what 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.680 we think as leaders, as organizers, um as we we 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.400 navigate through these these cold waters, because it's certainly there, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.760 certainly are are cold. But before we bring them on, 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.880 I was gonna give you my thought of the day 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:59.680 today because I was really thinking, Bill, when I get 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.120 a change throughout these flights, I sit and I scrolled 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.520 through Instagram, and I'm trying to figure out why people 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.560 are running in stories, stealing these folks stuff, steal in 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.600 the Nordstrom's. I think I just see here in New 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.200 York City last night they ran into I believe it 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.479 may have been like the Louis Vuitton sto or something 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.039 like that. So I guess the dash and grab is 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.360 what they call it. Yeah, that's that's one of the 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.520 terms of it. In the hood, Dash and grab yeah, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:38.159 but grabbing dash yeah, that would that would that would 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:44.760 be the correct um order of it. They're grabbing in though, 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.880 they're grabbing the dashing all over the country, robbing the 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.599 north drums and even market stories. But just the thought 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.200 I had, first of all, I think that's just ridiculous, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.600 absolutely ridiculous. And you know there'll be some say, yeah, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:05.360 but in a capitalist society, people gonna take their reparations 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.600 and da dada. You know, people ain't got no jobs 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.000 and whatever. That's you know, I still think it's ridiculous. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.200 And last night the situation got serious because the video 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.760 that I saw the police, and I believe again it 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.160 was in New York. The police ran up to people 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.560 who were trying to get away in a car in traffic, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.520 so the car wasn't moving, you idiot, and the police 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.880 ran up and bust the windows out. The person got 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.680 dragged out. There was three police officers with batons banging 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:38.000 the windows, glass everywhere, Like the situation is dangerous. But 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.760 what I what really confuses me is the group that 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.560 I laughed think was in North Carolina. It was like 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.360 a hundred of them. Why do people do crimes together 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.200 and think that no one is going to tell who 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:55.080 was involved with the incident. It doesn't make sense to me, Yeah, 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.880 because it doesn't make sense at all. It's a very 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.320 primitive and and and and future out um feeble minded 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:07.480 of act. Because if you from you know, anything about crime, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.760 there's always somebody telling. The more people that you do 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.640 a crime with, the more opportunities and the more people 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.040 are gonna tell on you. So I think desperation, I 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.080 think ignorance to certain things. I think some people just 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.840 want to be involved. There's a lot of those people 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.800 probably like, oh that's what they do it. Let me 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.480 just get in the giftshop, you know, and it's it's 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.160 it becomes this this mob mentality, and it's it's really 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.800 not smart at all, what you know, Like you said, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.040 some people are going to say in the capital society, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.800 this is what people are forced to do. Within the holidays. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.119 People have been you know, have been taught to glorify 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.719 these presidents and gifts and things that needed to have, 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:49.800 you know, that they feel like they need to have, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.720 and it's just it's really messed up. Really Well, let's 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.480 bring our guests on because I want to hear from 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:01.560 Attorney Angelo Pento, how many years can you get when 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:06.520 you are grabbing and dashing? Because I believe it's got 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.960 to be some real time associated with it. And maybe 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.360 these young people particularly that are doing this and these mobs, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.040 I think that it's something fun or like you said, 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.679 just something to get involved with. But I don't think 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.040 that this is smart because I think it's gonna put 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:24.720 some time on their lives and put them in a situation. So, Attorney, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.400 Angelo Pentel, my brother, our brother, our friends and lindas 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:34.000 our so are you with us? Yeah, we're here. How 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:44.080 y'all doing today? Not bad? Feeling good? Feeling great? Indeed, Yeah, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.720 that's the rest. Good for y'all, man, because I'm getting 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:51.720 some as soon as they get over this thing. Got 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.360 to sleep. So what So I don't know if you 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.480 were listening to us, um, Angelo, I will, resident Attorney. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.880 We're just trying to figure out what the grabbing dash, 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:07.400 what kind of charges are associated with that good old 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.520 grabbing dash. I mean, I think that in that scenario, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.400 it's really gonna be contingent on what they get charged with, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.920 and they'll probably depend and then it depends on right 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.000 the cost of the items they're stealing. Um, but it 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.120 will probably be grand larceny because they're in high end 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.200 retail stores. Um, they can likely get a conspiracy charge 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.280 because they're acting in concert with so many folks. But 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.319 it appears also that because this is kind of a 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.040 newer phenomenon, or at least one that is getting a 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.280 lot of attention in this moment because it's happening around 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.720 the country, that they may try to throw another charge 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.280 at them simply to kind of send a message that 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.520 we're not going to tolerate this. So, you know, it 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.040 really varies, and I haven't really seen how states are 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.439 handling these scenarios because oftentimes, also when folks are stealing 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.719 at the mall, you're usually not thinking you're gonna get 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.000 a very serious charge. But I think the circumstances are 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.000 little different. They're high end stores. They're actually kind of 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.480 pretty big grabs when you think about how many people 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.720 are acting in concert together, um, and it's something that's 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.280 been happening a lot more frequently. So you know, I 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.199 think we're gonna have to wait and see a little bit. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.400 But I think as a start, you're probably gonna see 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.360 some grand larceny charges. You're probably gonna see some conspiracy 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.440 charges with folks acting in concert. Um. And I think 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.000 in that case that you mentioned earlier that happened in 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.280 New York where now you're having this very serious interaction 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.600 with law enforcement, you might see resisting arrest charges. So 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.320 they're probably gonna do everything they can to throw everything 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.240 they can at them and trump up charges so that 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.079 something sticks, so they send a message that just this 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.679 can't happen, it can't be tolerated. So it will be 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.960 interesting to see how it plays out in straits across 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.959 the country. Mm hmm. Yeah. I think I think that, Um, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.600 they're gonna want to send a message. You know, they're 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.400 gonna want to make some people examples, so the which 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.360 you would normally probably get for the same thing and 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.840 probably be hyped up a lot more. Yeah, I think 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.679 so too. But you know, just like I said, I 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.400 worry about it because feels like yet another thing that 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:17.079 will put you know, criminal records on black folks, particularly 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.400 black men, in our communities, and even before they really 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.080 get started in life, um, which we're already trying to 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.480 fight against, so they can get some Gucci Pucci and 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.520 Pucci Like, I just don't, you know, I don't, I 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.320 don't and I guess you know, how can we we 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.440 we UM all of us are I guess guilty if 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.319 you will, I don't know if you call it guilty, 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:45.320 I wouldn't say guilty. But all of us participate in UM, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.360 you know, wearing nice things and having labels. So perhaps 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.360 that is what some will use as an excuse for 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.599 this behavior. But I think that we all, you know, 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.360 you gotta go through the route of working hard and 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.160 doing what you have to do to be able to 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.800 get it. And you know, it's crazy that some people 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.080 don't think that that's the that that is you know, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.840 the answer. And you know, we were just talking a 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.320 little bit mind yesterday about this idea that people want 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.480 to have do and be and don't want to work 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.240 to get to whatever it is that they're trying to 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.200 get in society. And so you know, I know that 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.720 there are folks who probably want us to say well 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.520 and to you know, make excuses for the behavior, but 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.360 it really feels like this is going to turn out 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.840 as something else where our communities will be criminalized and 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:41.640 where uh that conspiracy charges so dangerous is that there'll 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.200 be young people who will just have been there, just 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.880 went downtown. Maybe you got on the train that day 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.600 with them. You didn't necessarily go in the store, but 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.319 guess what the charges that will apply across the board. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.320 That's how it works, right, if you're acting in concert 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.959 with folks. Yeah, most certainly. I mean it's not clear 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.240 that that's how they'll are them, but it seems like 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.920 they're gonna have to do something that they traditionally don't do, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.680 and that you know, in these scenarios, folks are acting 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.280 in concerts, so it would makes sense that that's something 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:16.760 that they also throw at them. Well, listen, speaking of 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:22.320 acting in concerts, let's talk about these cases in these situations. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:27.240 You know, here we are today sitting um waiting for 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.280 the verdict to come in from a jury that is 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:36.000 deliberating in the Ahmad Arebrey um the matter of the 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.680 murder of Ahmad Aubrey. And you know there are three 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.920 individuals who they acted in concert. Let me get my 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.280 legal stuff. That's what they did, right, I would say. So, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.720 I mean, I think they're making a case, as we 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.920 saw when we were at the trial, was that two 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.720 days ago or yesterday, that they're going to try to 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.000 make the case that in fact, that's not what took place. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.800 And that these individuals were all acting separately, um and 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.640 their action should not be kind of connected together. So 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.640 I think they're saying that that, in fact did not happen. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.640 And I think what you see happening on the other 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:10.680 end is them saying that, in fact, this was these 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:15.280 folks acting in concert, you know, really to meet or 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:20.920 to see the demise of brother Arbury. Mm hmm. It 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.600 definitely they definitely acted in concert. Man, They were in unison. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.840 The people drove their trucks, you know, and they flushed 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.520 him out, and they cornered him, you know, and falsely 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.320 imprisoned him, as you know they have been charged with. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.400 And it's just for me, you know, I just don't. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.680 I just America is just a very weird place to me, man, 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.160 When when you can have people justify things of that nature, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:50.640 it's just very weird. Mm hmm. I mean I was 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.000 gonna ask Linda, you know what, what what is going 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.160 through your mind? Is just sitting here waiting on this 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.680 verdict today, do you feel hope for you kind of 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.120 feel like because yesterday you were like, I don't know, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.080 so today, just because of the videos that have been 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:10.760 requested by the jury, do you feel more hopeful. I 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.000 don't know the system. I feel like we've learned not 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.480 to put too much hope in the system. Originally, I 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.200 felt like it was pretty clear to me and to 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.560 anyone with the conscious that really, anyone with eyes, um 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.760 and ears that was listening to the evidence, that the 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.200 the killers of a mod areby are guilty. But then 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:33.520 I watched how the defense try to take the jurors 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.960 off course and try to confuse them, and I think 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.240 she Um might have done some damage in that regard. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.000 So I don't know. I'm feeling like, if it was 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.600 clear that they were guilty, they were already deliberating for hours, um, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.920 and so I'm hoping that um, you know, got intervenes 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.640 into justice to serve it. I feel I'm not sure 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.480 how I feel. I'm confused. I'm not sure if I 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.600 feel hopeful or I'm not sure if I feel like 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.240 they're gonna come back with some thing that's um not 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:06.920 going to be acceptable. What would be the justification? Though, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:11.440 Angelo like, I don't get it. I don't think who 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.160 how do people make the case of self defense when 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.919 Day started the situation? Yeah, I mean, I think you 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.800 know the sad part about this and I don't think 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.960 you can really divorce these two things from this conversation 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.600 is that, of course there's the law, and people always 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.840 say and I think, you know, I heard it when 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.960 we were listening to closing statements the other day, UM, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.879 one of the defense attorneys mentioned that he's really just 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.800 trying to apply the law to the circumstances. And for me, 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.720 I think that's never what happens, right. There's always bias, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.760 there's always a variety of factors at play. When the 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.200 jury is hearing a trial, or when anyone is really 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.200 listening to a trial, it's hard to truly divorce your 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.280 internal biases from that proceeding. And I think one of 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.800 the most clear are in present internal bias that exists 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.360 in America is around race, um, and it's around racism, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.800 and it's around people who they consider criminals, who are 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.000 traditionally black and brown folks. So I think what you 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.280 see happening in this case the other pieza to that, 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:16.639 and I think you see what you have in this 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.639 case is the flip side where white folks are given 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.560 the extreme beyond the benefit of the doubt. Um, they 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.960 get to get all jail free card, they get judicial 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.200 kind of coddling, They get a number, they get money 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.400 for their case to fight a case where they were 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.480 wrong that everyone witnessed and got to see on tape. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.600 So I think what you're seeing also is the way 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.800 in which the judicial system works with white folks and 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.520 the way in which the judicial system works with black folks. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.680 And I think that's a big piece of what's playing 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.840 out in this case. So things that you would traditionally 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.560 look at and say, hold on, wait, this person is guilty. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.240 This is should be an open and shed case now 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.359 because a person is white. Now, because of the ways 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.600 in which the attorneys work on the case, there's a 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.400 lot more latitude that's saying, well, in fact, maybe that's 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.400 not what happen. And they're throwing in all these potential 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:07.439 factors and circumstances that would make someone potentially consider that 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.879 a murderer is not in factor murder. And I think 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.800 that's what you're seeing play out, and in this case, 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:14.240 I think that's what you saw a play out in 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.440 the written house case. But it's not what you ever 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.480 see play out when black folks find themselves in similar 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.280 circumstances and it's similar. I mean, the reason why I 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.639 always tell people, you know, we can't put our hopes 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.480 up too high. Is that you know, Trayvon Martin was unarmed, Um, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.840 he was walking around the neighborhood that he had every 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.720 right to walk around in and just for being black, um, 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:40.440 and and and deemed suspicious by a vigilante, he was murdered. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.560 And George Zimmerman, who murdered Trayvon Martin, got off. And 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.359 so I think it's important that with all that's happening 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:52.720 around us, Written House with the marred are very um 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:58.679 case of the murderers, UM, the McDaniels, and all the McMichael's, 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.320 excuse me, and just everything else, Tenasia Chapelle and the 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.240 many cases Savior Hill. There's so many ongoing cases that 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.679 still have not gotten justice that it's important for us 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.440 form a mental health perspective to not set our hopes 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.359 up to high because this country disappoints us over and 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.480 over and over again. And some an attorney, a conservative attorney, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.400 was um chatting with me on Facebook and he said 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.000 to me, he said, listen, He said, you may be 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.359 mad about the Written House case, but he goes to 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.040 the bottom line, if you want to be mad, you 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:29.879 gotta be mad at the law is not the not 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.560 the verdict that came out. So it also is that 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:34.879 we have, as Angels said, we just got faulty laws 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.359 and the laws that are not applied across the board 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.120 equally um and not everybody could use the same defenses. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.119 So so written House can say self defense and you 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.720 know my understanding of self defenses that you know, if 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.600 I'm if if there's a situation happening in my neighborhood 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.879 and you come outside, Karen again in front of my house, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.800 and then you shoot people in front of my house. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.159 But I didn't ask you to defend my house. I 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.720 didn't ask you to fend my property. I don't know 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.960 how you could clean that you're protecting a property in 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.200 the place that you're not from. And then what's interesting 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.200 also about the Written House case was, and I don't 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.679 know how they argued this, but the bottom line is, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.240 you're a minor. You shouldn't even be carrying a gun anyhow. 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.440 Forget about the fact about how you got the gun. 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:20.880 No one was held accountable for that part. But you're 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.560 a minor. You shouldn't even be carrying a semi automatic rifle. 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.160 And I don't know how that went under the radar. 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.719 But again, faulty laws, bias in the courtroom. UM. And 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.560 you know, as as a lot of our people say, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.200 you know they're guilty before they get to the courtroom, 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.240 and that's if they make it to the courtroom under 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.159 these similar circumstances. I don't I don't know if I 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.480 think that it's the law though. That's where I always 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.320 have a challenge because I'm like, I don't think if 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.480 you change the laws, because folks have been working on 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.040 that for a long time too, that changes the circumstances 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.520 with respect to how white folks will be viewed in 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.240 the criminal justice is and the kind of bias in 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.399 favor of them, the kind of privilege and favor of them. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.600 I think change the law doesn't change that. I know 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.800 people make that argument all the time. You know it's 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.080 the law, but it's like, sure it is, um, But 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.240 if someone is going to decide to bend and maneuver 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.800 the law in a way to Taylor kind of outcomes 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.639 for a particular group of individuals, no matter how you 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.280 change that, you're gonna see that. UM. And I think 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:25.600 the dread Scott decision that said that no black person 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.960 has any rights that a white person has to honor right. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.960 So that is the undercurrent that is I've never even 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.600 I've never even heard that before say that again, um 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.040 basically that no, no black person has a right any 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.720 rights that a white person has to honor. Actually that 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.080 was in a dread Scott decision. And so that's what 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.680