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Speaker 1: All right, second hour of Play and Bought kicks off

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Speaker 1: now showdown in Minneapolis. That is still the most important

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Speaker 2: And it's something that we're going.

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Speaker 1: To continue to discuss with all of you and bring

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Speaker 1: you the latest on and we'll talk also to Ryan

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Speaker 1: Gridusky at the bottom of this hour about some numbers.

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Speaker 1: And this ties into the long term political implication of

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Speaker 1: all this. Why do democrats care so much Without all

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Speaker 1: these illegals, they lose power. Does anything matter to Democrats

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Speaker 1: more than power? Absolutely not. So they'll do whatever they

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Speaker 1: have to do to keep this whole machinery of open

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Speaker 1: borders and third world invasion going. That is the plan,

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Speaker 1: and they are all in on it, and we knew

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Speaker 1: that they would be. Now let me bring you this

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Speaker 1: and Clay, this is really interesting because I've seen a

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Speaker 1: number of these analyzes that are popping up online. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, we have with with the GWAT audience of

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Speaker 1: this show alone, we could definitely overthrow a medium sized countries,

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Speaker 1: you know, military and everything else. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: of former Specops advisors, Intel guys, by the way, very

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Speaker 1: honored that you choose to listen to us. But I

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Speaker 1: know from our comments and from people coming up to me,

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Speaker 1: a lot of you who know the world of asymmetrical warfare,

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Speaker 1: no propaganda operations and no decentralized networks, and how they

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Speaker 1: operate for the purposes of terrorist groups and how they

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Speaker 1: operate for insurgents, and that's really interesting. You have this

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Speaker 1: people need to know more about it. It's why I'm

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Speaker 1: calling the sabotage operations military terminology. Remember, sabotage operation is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily lethal, right. The sabotage operation a lot of

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Speaker 1: times is not going to be it's going to be

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Speaker 1: something now it can be, but it's going to be

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Speaker 1: something where they're you know, maybe you're going to go

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Speaker 1: after the you know, the gasoline supply or the communications

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Speaker 1: what's going on here with immigration and customs enforcement, this

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Speaker 1: to Saturday's fatal shooting of an agitator by Border patrol

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Speaker 1: agents in Minneapolis and the response that followed were driven

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Speaker 1: by a complex network of far left organizations with a

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Speaker 1: wide range of causes. This is actually a Fox News piece,

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Speaker 1: by the way, published on New York Posts by Ozra Nomani.

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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital investigation. A coordinated web of encrypted chats,

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Speaker 1: street alerts, and tracking of ICE abductors in a sophisticated

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Speaker 1: database reviewed by Fox News Digital shows that agitators were

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Speaker 1: already mobilized at the scene where thirty seven year old

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Speaker 1: Ice in Border Patrol aidents were there to arrest Inn,

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Speaker 1: strategic pattern of organized interference sabotage operations with law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Over the following.

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Speaker 1: Hours, a national network of socialist communists and Marxist Leninist

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Speaker 1: a nationwide protest operation. This level of engineered chaos is

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Speaker 1: far left agitators working with local authorities. According jd Vance,

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Speaker 1: encrypted signal Clay, I go on and on. They are

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Speaker 1: operating this thing like a decentralized domestic terror cell. The

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Speaker 1: only difference is that they are inviting violence through their

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Speaker 2: So far we worried that that may change.

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Speaker 3: Well, my concern is if they get what they want

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Speaker 3: I'm not the expert, but that makes sense in the

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Speaker 3: talking about, Buck, communication. This is a communication battle. Now

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Speaker 3: all of politics is a communication battle, and primarily it's

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Speaker 3: I think Eric Trump shared it, but the New York

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Speaker 2: Experts are unsure.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you one idea that I'm pretty confident

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Speaker 3: But how many people do you hear making that argument?

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Speaker 3: So people can make that connection if they're not otherwise

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: I want my community to be safe, I want my

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Speaker 3: That's why I was hammering last week one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Now, my wife got a bike stolen. Back to see

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Speaker 2: we got our best people on it. Sure, we'll get

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Speaker 3: When we lived in downtown Nashville, she had a great

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Speaker 3: I don't think we reported it because the cops wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Happen for public safety. It's kind of amazing, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: When cops feel like you have their back to protect

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Speaker 2: What's going on with Ice is the Gestapo?

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Speaker 1: But it turns out it's true. The very straightforward and

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Speaker 1: What a shock, Clay, and here we are, I.

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Speaker 3: But on the most important job, I would argue that

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Speaker 3: That's an incredible accomplishment of Trump one point zero. Ice

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Speaker 6: This is the second one, the second murder of an

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Speaker 7: Right. So I always say that birth data is a

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Speaker 7: It's exactly that legal immigration and illegal immigration both have

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Speaker 7: the population, increase opportunity, lower taxes, you name it, have

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Speaker 7: caused a lot of them to sit there and run

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Speaker 7: as humanly possible. And a lot of that will mandate

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Speaker 7: in the twenty thirty census and the twenty thirty reapportion

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Speaker 7: I'll say that if this continues now, this is bylight,

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Speaker 7: without the deportations, without the self deportations, without the limits

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Speaker 7: of immigration. If those hit, those numbers could easily surge

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Speaker 7: to thirteen fourteen to fifteen net loss out of Democrat states.

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Speaker 7: It will be horrendous for Democrats. And even more so,

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Speaker 7: it means that the big Blue Wall doesn't matter for

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Speaker 7: electoral politics. It means that a Vice President Jadvan's running

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Speaker 7: for president for his re election rather than twenty thirty two.

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Speaker 7: All he would need to do, will you reach to

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Speaker 7: capture Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Arizona, and you win

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Speaker 7: the presidency. Pennsylvania doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you

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Speaker 7: lose Georgia, but it doesn't matter overall. Michigan doesn't matter,

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Speaker 7: Wisconsin doesn't matter. Even the hard to reach states Minnesota,

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Speaker 7: New Mexico, New Hampshire, it doesn't matter, as all of

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Speaker 7: that at that point is just gravy, and it means

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Speaker 7: a decade of Democrats really having to put all their

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Speaker 7: weight and all their money in either Georgia, Arizona, or Carolina,

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Speaker 7: because without those three states they can't win the presidency.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, what is your sense right now as it feels

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Speaker 1: like decisions are still very much being made about what

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Speaker 1: the administration is going to do in Minneapolis in the

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Speaker 1: face of this resistance, these sabotage operations. How is Trump

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Speaker 1: worried about these numbers to the point where he might

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Speaker 1: change course? Is it important to stay the course or

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Speaker 1: else the base will abandon him? Well, not entirely, but

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Speaker 1: you know, how do you assess, based on the numbers,

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Speaker 1: the polling, what's going on in Minneapolis and what the

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Speaker 1: administration needs to do.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the New York

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Speaker 7: Times polling, the polling that just came out from Sana College,

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Speaker 7: it's very consistent. Americans want Americans think. And this is

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Speaker 7: also the you go pull. Americans believe illegal immigration actually

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Speaker 7: is a big problem, and they overall approve of Trump's

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Speaker 7: deportation of illegal aliens. That was the New York Times Sanapol.

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Speaker 7: They don't like how it's being conducted. Back in October,

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Speaker 7: Fox News released the story that Christy nom and Corey Lewandowski,

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Speaker 7: her very special advisor, gave basically sideline Tom Homan from

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Speaker 7: doing deportations. Tom Holman has thirty plus a year career

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Speaker 7: doing this and understands what it's like out on the field.

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Speaker 7: I think sidelining Tom Holman was a big, big mistake

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Speaker 7: because the poor for ICE was still well above water

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Speaker 7: when Holman was doing was in charge. You know, they've

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Speaker 7: been trying to get these numbers up, which is very,

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Speaker 7: very important, but the fear of mass deportation has caused

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Speaker 7: more self deportation than actual mass deportation. Has Trump's gotten

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Speaker 7: higher numbers, certainly higher numbers on the first term, highest

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Speaker 7: numbers since Obama's first year in office. However, the damage

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Speaker 7: that they're doing right now to ICE as an institution

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Speaker 7: is alarming, and Democrats not only want to now defund ICE,

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Speaker 7: but they want to price prosecute ICE officers and members

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Speaker 7: of the cabinet and the administration who are in charge

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Speaker 7: of US. It's very, very dangerous to give them that

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Speaker 7: political leverage. I think Christy Nomes press conference was a

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Speaker 7: horror show, and I think that she did so much

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Speaker 7: damage in the aftermath of this shooting that that was

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Speaker 7: actually worse than the shooting itself.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, Yeah, that's a strong take. We'll get into some

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Speaker 3: of the some of the fallout of the stories. Again,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to Can you just hold your question.

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Speaker 3: I just want to follow up on this.

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Speaker 1: Why is Trump circling the wagons then and protecting a

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Speaker 1: member of the administration, because I have to what she

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Speaker 1: said was really a catastrophic blunder. Is it just because

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't ever want to at this point give the

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Speaker 1: media what they want when they're calling for a scalp

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Speaker 1: I mean to.

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Speaker 7: Me, yeah, I mean if you look at the Mike

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Speaker 7: Waltz story, remember Mike walt sorry from early in the administration,

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Speaker 7: how he had the signal shat invite the Atlantic reporter

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Speaker 7: in it. He wasn't fired immediately. That actually bought him time,

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Speaker 7: probably even though that Trump was looking to get rid

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Speaker 7: of him. According to the internal reports, is that Trump

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Speaker 7: wanted to get rid of him and he realized it

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Speaker 7: was a mistake nominating him for this position, and then

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Speaker 7: when the story leaked it actually saved him times that

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Speaker 7: he didn't want to admit that the story was an

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Speaker 7: I sore. I think a lot of people have been

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Speaker 7: disappointed with Christino for quite some time. I think that

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Speaker 7: she is I think that she has made a lot

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Speaker 7: of mistakes and a lot of enemies inside the administration.

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Speaker 7: I think Corey Lewandowski being as involved as he has

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Speaker 7: been has been a big problem for a lot of

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Speaker 7: people in the Adman. I know people have complained on

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Speaker 7: the higher up saying Corey has been a very, very big,

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Speaker 7: big decision maker and making a lot of poor judgments.

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Speaker 7: And I know that Tom Holman has been sidelined for

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Speaker 7: the most part, which is why Trump decided to send

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Speaker 7: Tom Holman in. But in a response to the shooting,

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Speaker 7: which was a series of very bad judgments from from

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Speaker 7: you know, a lot of people, her calling him a

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Speaker 7: domestic terrorist really did tremendous damage to people who are

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Speaker 7: in the middle. You can't afford to lose normies on immigration.

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Speaker 7: It is the thing that got Trump elected in sixteen

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Speaker 7: and twenty for and Christy Nome's comments, which you could

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Speaker 7: see in your own blue eye, clear eyes that he

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Speaker 7: was not pointing a gun at any ICE officers, makes

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Speaker 7: people sit their enormies that there and say, well, these

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Speaker 7: are all liars. We can't trust any of these things.

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Speaker 3: Last question for you, Ryan, I think that was all

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Speaker 3: well said based on what the data is showing I

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Speaker 3: think the biggest story that is not getting enough attention.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the shift in twenty thirty population, how

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Speaker 3: the electoral college is going to be set up Differently,

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Speaker 3: the fact that illegal immigrants are counted for congressional representation

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Speaker 3: is to me flagrantly unconstitutional. But it's also a major

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Speaker 3: incentive for these people to not be removed and to

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Speaker 3: explain why Democrats are acting out as they are. With

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Speaker 3: that being said, have you seen data? And I know

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Speaker 3: I've asked you this before, but it's such an underdiscussed

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Speaker 3: story that I think we need to bring it up constantly.

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Speaker 3: How much are Democrats benefiting in terms of raw numbers

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Speaker 3: of congressional seats based on illegal immigrant populations being counted

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Speaker 3: for purposes of congressional seat apportionment.

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Speaker 7: Right, it's it, Well, it depends on I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: a very difficult thing, right, because you have a district

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Speaker 7: like Media Basquez in Brooklyn, which is overwhelmingly illegal immigrants,

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Speaker 7: which I mean, she sits there and says, bring illegals

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Speaker 7: to my district or I'm gonna lose it. She has

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Speaker 7: said things like that in public, right, So it's very

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Speaker 7: hard to sit there and say, oh, there would be

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Speaker 7: an extra House seat upstate inst that are on Long

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Speaker 7: Island instead of in Brooklyn. Overall, they say about five

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Speaker 7: or six if you kind of move the numbers around

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Speaker 7: those were in mind. That was Pew research. California would

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Speaker 7: have lost, you know, would have never gained. It's not

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Speaker 7: just about what they would have lost in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 7: what they would have never gained in twenty ten and

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Speaker 7: in two thousand. This illegal alien population overall, it's about

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Speaker 7: a half a dozen, primarily though in very very blue districts.

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Speaker 7: Maxine Waters, Media Basquez. These people who run for office,

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Speaker 7: they need to get two hundred thousand fewer votes to

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Speaker 7: win a House seat than people in Ohio, Alabama and Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: What person, I think that's super interesting. What percentage of

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Speaker 3: a man Americans? Do you think no, that illegal immigrants

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Speaker 3: are counted for purposes of congressional seats, because I think

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Speaker 3: it's like fifteen or twenty percent. I just don't think

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Speaker 3: most Americans know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the same percentage that can name all ninest members

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Speaker 7: of the Supreme Court. It's very low. I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: just I don't believe that in many of the Americans

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Speaker 7: know this whatsoever, and it is worth getting angry about.

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Speaker 7: The Supreme Court is a rule that it's all persons

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Speaker 7: and you have to change the constitution or try to

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Speaker 7: fight it on a different note. But they've sat there

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Speaker 7: and said you can count them on all persons. I

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Speaker 7: mean you could also change the census where you can

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Speaker 7: ask their citizenship status and that they're illegally in the country,

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Speaker 7: and that may make them not want to answer the census,

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Speaker 7: which would also decrease their numbers.

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Speaker 2: UH.

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Speaker 3: John and Charleston, South Carolina Fabulous City. UH has a

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Speaker 2: Cc Hey Buck.

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Speaker 8: Look, I'm a firm supporter in the First Amendment and

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Speaker 8: the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 2: I believe that you should be able to protest or

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Speaker 2: a care again.

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Speaker 8: But if you're operating in a stupid or foolish manner

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Speaker 8: to be nice and you get shot during that, and then.

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Speaker 2: That's on you. Don't be stupid.

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Speaker 8: But apparently exercising your rights doesn't come with common sense

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Speaker 3: So that is John and Charleston again reports that the

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Speaker 3: individual shot had previously been tackled by ICE agents when

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Speaker 3: he was obstructing, with him giving you a little bit

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Speaker 3: Talk eleven thirty up there hesit take d D.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, gentlemen. I couldn't disagree more on the illegals

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Speaker 4: in Minneapolis. I live in Minneapolis. I work construction. We

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Speaker 4: have a ton of illegals here and it is because

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Speaker 4: of the welfare system. You don't have that welfare system

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Speaker 4: in Texas. You don't and I've lived there. You don't

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Speaker 4: have it in Wisconsin. You don't have it in Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: You don't have it in Florida.

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Speaker 7: If you have it in Minnesota, they come.

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Speaker 4: For the three beat.

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Speaker 2: There's some truth to that, bock.

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Speaker 3: But there are more illegals in all the states he

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Speaker 3: just mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you're talking raw numbers. Maybe per capita. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: by the way, but per capita of Minnesota might be

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Speaker 1: kind of high.

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Speaker 2: But that's a guest clay. I'd have to check the number.

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Speaker 3: Ee to finish really quick, to take us into the break.

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Speaker 9: Thanks about Keith from maland here. Also law enforcement on

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Speaker 9: cases of bicycle tests, we do work them. That's one

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Speaker 9: bicycle thought to have a couple of years ago. Bicycle

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Speaker 9: actually belonged to a kid I coached in baseball. I

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Speaker 9: was able to track down the bike recover it for him.

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Speaker 9: Probably of the best personally rewarding cases I've ever had.

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Speaker 9: We do mook for stolen bicycles. Thanks for everything going

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Speaker 9: good for him.

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Speaker 2: That's a positive story. To finish the hour,