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Speaker 1: All right, Happy Wednesday morning, Welcome to Counterpoints. We're now

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Speaker 1: what about three days into Complementum. The world has changed

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Speaker 3: That's right, so much has happened in a week.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and we'll cover new video of the president

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Speaker 4: looking tan rested. Yeah, dull ready, he is alive. Every

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Speaker 4: conspiracy theory was at least momentarily dispelled yesterday, So we'll start.

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Speaker 3: Without every conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 4: Lots of them still alive, raging, yeah, fact, but.

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Speaker 3: The one that he's dead it didn't hold up.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure people are still finding reasons too.

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Speaker 3: Look great.

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Speaker 4: Doubt the video, but yeah, he does not look great.

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Speaker 4: We'll get to that in just a moment. We're going

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Speaker 4: to start with a new video from Kamala Harris in

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Speaker 4: All right, let's start with video from yesterday of current

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Speaker 3: But now we are not going back again.

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Speaker 3: Well, the polls are ticking up for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: One thing that I read into this is a whole

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Speaker 1: Had read that op ed, Her team had had six months,

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Speaker 4: This is jd Vance. Harry Enton on CNN yesterday made

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Speaker 4: JD.

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Speaker 6: Van's making history in the completely wrong way.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's amazing plus nineteen. And I know people

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Speaker 7: talk vps don't usually matter, but they're usually.

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Speaker 6: Usually not a usually the popular. In this case, he's

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Speaker 6: dragging Trump.

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Speaker 4: Down, all right.

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Speaker 7: And then there's also Ohio, which I you know, have

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Speaker 7: been around long enough to have been there on an

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Speaker 7: election night. And the reason I was there because the

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Speaker 7: person who wins Ohio wins the White House.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: Ohio's a red state. Now, so what does the jd

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Speaker 7: Vance pick do for Trump? Obviously he is the senator

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Speaker 7: from Ohio.

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Speaker 6: There's this whole idea, Oh jd Vance is, you know,

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Speaker 6: going to help out Ohio, perhaps perhaps help out in

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Speaker 6: those russ Belt, those great lake battleground says, But if

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Speaker 6: you look at Ohio, if you look, yeah, jd Vance

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Speaker 6: won in twenty twenty two, but he only won by

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Speaker 6: six points. That's worse than Donald Trump did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: It's far worse than Mike the Wine did in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty two. He is was the worst performing Republican candidate

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two, up and down the ballot in

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Speaker 6: the state of Ohio. He has nothing there, all right.

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Speaker 7: So Trump does very well with white working class voters.

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Speaker 7: That's one of his superpowers. So what does Vance add?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, what does Van say? Look, he won white working

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Speaker 6: class voters. He won white voters without a college decree.

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Speaker 3: In the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 6: But pretty much every Republican wins white working class voters.

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Speaker 6: And if you look here again, the margin that Vance

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Speaker 6: put up was the weakest performance of any major Republican.

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Speaker 6: It's worse than Trump did in Ohio. It's worse than

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Speaker 6: Mike the Wine did in Ohio.

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Speaker 8: The jd.

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Speaker 6: Vance pick makes no sense from a statistical polling perspective.

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Speaker 4: Earon, he's mad, Yeah, he says at one point, it's

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Speaker 4: strategic failure. He's a guy. I don't understand it. You know,

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Speaker 4: the best way to un understand that jd. Vance pick

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Speaker 4: is that Donald Trump needed somebody who wouldn't, let's make

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Speaker 4: this a verb, pence him. Right, He wanted someone who

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Speaker 4: wouldn't pence him in the eleventh hour when you know

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Speaker 4: you need to do the elector vote on January sixth.

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Speaker 3: He needed to stay in power despite losing the election.

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Speaker 3: You better better have somebody who doesn't care.

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Speaker 4: And JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance did say that he would have not done what

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Speaker 3: Mike Pence did, Yeah, which was his duty.

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Speaker 4: I would say, I know a lot of people see JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance as somebody who's sort of a flip flopper, because

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Speaker 4: he quite literally flip flopped. But one of the things

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Speaker 4: that struck Trump reportedly is that Vance is a true

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Speaker 4: believer and Viance is a true believer. If people are

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Speaker 4: you know, I get Democrats attacking Trump or attacking Vance

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Speaker 4: for flip flopping on Trump, but that like, the truth

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Speaker 4: of the picture is that he is a true believer.

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Speaker 4: He is a true convert to the Maga world, and

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Speaker 4: for a lot of interesting reasons, he converted to Catholicism.

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Speaker 4: But one thing I understand about Jady Vance is he

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Speaker 4: is a true believer. And you usually after the primaries

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Speaker 4: tacked to the center, that's the old saying, and they're

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Speaker 4: not with JD Vance. I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know they tried to do. I was at the RNC,

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Speaker 4: I was listening to them. Unity, Unity, Unity. We talked

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Speaker 4: underconstructed last week about how Sara Bamari and other people

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Speaker 4: are trying to say that JD. Vance is the new

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Speaker 4: center or could be. You know, a smart argument for

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Speaker 4: him to adopt would be that he's the new center

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Speaker 4: so far not working, clearly, if you're down six because

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Speaker 4: he's a really I get why that's off putting, but

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Speaker 4: it's also because Trump is very off putting to a

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Speaker 4: lot of people still, and I know Trump is his

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Speaker 4: favorability is unfavorable. Favorables aren't super high either, So if

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Speaker 4: you're sort of claim to fame is becoming a big

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Speaker 4: Trump convert, that's not going to be super appealing to people.

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Speaker 1: And somebody tweeted that jd Vance is what you would

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Speaker 1: get if some tech bros in California trying to grow

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Speaker 1: a redneck in a lab And it's like, I kind

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Speaker 1: of get what that argument is saying because his his

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Speaker 1: mother struggled terribly and it's and it's wonderful that she

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Speaker 1: has recovered and is now approaching I think what twelve

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Speaker 1: years of sobriety. He was raised by his grandparents, who

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Speaker 1: were pretty well off in a pretty middle class area

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Speaker 1: of Ohio. His Appalachian roots are ancestral, and he's clear

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Speaker 1: about that in the book.

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Speaker 3: I'm not calling him out here.

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Speaker 1: His family moved before he was born to this region

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Speaker 1: of Ohio, and the book is kind of about that

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Speaker 1: migration out of Appalachia into the kind of rust belt suburbia,

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Speaker 1: but so that that was his actual upbringing in a

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Speaker 1: pretty middle, upper middle class area with his wonderful grandparents. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I think it's hard for them to kind of

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Speaker 1: construct the the redneck meant the redneck kind of image

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Speaker 1: out of it, especially after years spent on Wall Street

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Speaker 1: and his venture capitalists and in those in those circles.

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Speaker 1: It's just not the beard isn't quite doing it.

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Speaker 4: The beard doesn't make it work.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, one of the best hits on this

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Speaker 1: entire maga kind of thing that's going on, I think

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Speaker 1: was by Tim Walls, who I wish there was more,

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Speaker 1: wish we had.

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Speaker 3: More time in this world.

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Speaker 1: Because Emily and I talked about, I pitched Emily on

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Speaker 1: doing this story where we look at both Minnesota and Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Because Minnesota was won by Democrats, a trifecta by like

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Speaker 1: one percent, like just thousands of votes divided this purple

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Speaker 1: state between Republicans and Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Democrats took control.

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Speaker 1: Iowa was a purple state most of both of our lives.

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Speaker 1: Republicans want a trifecta in Iowa. Iowa is now as

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Speaker 1: deep red a state as you can get, and they've

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Speaker 1: pushed They've pushed as far as hard right and agenda

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Speaker 1: as you can with that type of majority. Just across

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Speaker 1: the border in Minnesota, Democrats did something very unusual for Democrats,

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Speaker 1: which was to actually deploy power and enact in an agenda.

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Speaker 1: And Tim Walls, with that very slim majority, has pushed

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Speaker 1: through basically you look at the Democratic Party platform, they

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Speaker 1: pushed everything through from from minimum wage to pro union

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Speaker 1: stuff to all the cultural stuff.

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Speaker 4: And it reminds me of the inverse of Wisconsin when

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Speaker 4: it went read under Scott Walker, both legislatures Senators Scott Walker.

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Speaker 4: They pushed the full cirlate of Republican priorities.

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Speaker 1: Right, and Tim Walls is a sleeper of a VP

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Speaker 1: pick yes, and so anyway, check out how he communicated

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Speaker 1: his differences with Republicans here.

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Speaker 3: These are weird people on the other side.

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Speaker 9: They want to take books away, they want to be

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Speaker 9: in your exam rooms. That's what it comes down to it.

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Speaker 9: Don't you know, get sugar coating this. These are weird ideas.

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Speaker 9: Listen to them speak. Listen know they talk about things.

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Speaker 9: Listen to how your previous guests were right, like you said,

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Speaker 9: They've told them that they shouldn't talk about race. They

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Speaker 9: can't help it. It is built into their DNA because

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Speaker 9: there is no plan. There's no health care plan, there's

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Speaker 9: no health care plan, there's nothing to do on that.

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Speaker 9: They want to take away our alliances and leave Russia

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Speaker 9: to do whatever they want. Look, they are bad on

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Speaker 9: foreign policy, they are bad on the environment. They certainly

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Speaker 9: have no health care plan, and they keep talking about

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Speaker 9: the middle class. That, as I said, a robber baron,

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Speaker 9: real estate guy and a venture capitalist trying to tell

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Speaker 9: us they understand who we are.

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Speaker 3: They don't know who we are.

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Speaker 4: Not bad, it's pretty po politically not bad. Republicans, by

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Speaker 4: the way, are also we're going to talk about this

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Speaker 4: in the next block, are also borrowing the weird line

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Speaker 4: of attack, and arguably not even borrowing it. I feel

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Speaker 4: like Republicans were making this argument for a long time,

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Speaker 4: that you know, they'll talk about the suite of cultural issues.

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Speaker 4: But at the RNC last week, multiple times speakers on

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Speaker 4: the stage framed this as the election versus of weird

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Speaker 4: versus normal, and so both sides are now calling each

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Speaker 4: other weird.

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Speaker 1: Maybe our whole country is just weird. So speaking of weird,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to this great jd Vance clip that

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Speaker 1: has been making making their round, So let's just jump

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Speaker 1: right into that one.

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Speaker 10: It is the weirdest thing to me. Democrats say that

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Speaker 10: it is racist to believe. Well, they say it's racist

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Speaker 10: to do anything. I had a diet mountain dew yesterday

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Speaker 10: and one today. I'm sure they're going to call that racist.

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Speaker 8: Too, But it's good.

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Speaker 3: I love you guys.

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Speaker 11: But we're effectively run in this country via the Democrats,

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Speaker 11: via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat

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Speaker 11: ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the

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Speaker 11: choices that they've made, and so they want to make

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Speaker 11: the rest of the country miserable too.

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Speaker 3: And it's just a basic fact.

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Speaker 11: You look at Kamala Harris, Pete Boodhaje AOC. The entire

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Speaker 11: future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children.

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Speaker 11: And how does it make any sense that we've turned

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Speaker 11: our country over to people who don't really have a

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Speaker 11: direct stake in it?

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Speaker 4: Famous cat lady Pete Buddha Judge.

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Speaker 3: All those since then ye have Buddha Judge and.

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Speaker 4: Actually had a kid? Well it happened a month before

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Speaker 4: that clip.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, he hadn't even like updated his talking point

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Speaker 3: on that one.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't updated at that point.

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Speaker 3: But the Mountain Dew, though you wanted to defend.

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Speaker 4: It, I think I actually think diet Mountain Dew is

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Speaker 4: one of the better diet sodas. I think it's diet

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Speaker 4: Doctor Pepper and diet Mountain Mountain Dew. Diet coke is

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Speaker 4: in a league of its own. But Diet Mountain Do,

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Speaker 4: I'll defend. I think it tastes closest to the original

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Speaker 4: product of many diezotas.

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Speaker 1: As a concept is just so ridiculous, Like if you

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Speaker 1: take Trump's famous line that he's never seen a thin

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Speaker 1: person drink diet coke.

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Speaker 4: Which, by the way, he was drinking diet coke, and

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Speaker 4: that golf interview the dropped.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday's well in it, mountain dew is like one of

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Speaker 1: the least unhealthy things you can put in your body,

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Speaker 1: and it's obvious you just look at it. Adding diet

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Speaker 1: is not helping on a family text chain. I had

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Speaker 1: to explain what was going on with this clip here,

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Speaker 1: because like he's trying to insult liberals, but they're just

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Speaker 1: they're actually like they're not getting it, so that the

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Speaker 1: question is like and maybe a lot of viewers who

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Speaker 1: are actual normal people are watching that clip and be like, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. Why does he think drinking diet mountain

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Speaker 1: dew is racist. It's like, okay, he doesn't think it's racist,

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Speaker 1: and actually, no liberals think it's racist either.

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Speaker 4: Well, there might be one or two and they all

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Speaker 4: have like big Twitter platforms.

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Speaker 1: But what he's saying is that they will somehow they

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Speaker 1: think everything is racist, and so they will somehow concoct

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Speaker 1: a way that diet mountain dew fits into the schema

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Speaker 1: of racism, and therefore he's racist for drinking a diet

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Speaker 1: mountain dew. It's very online, it's very online, and it

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Speaker 1: says something poor about me that I kind of understood

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Speaker 1: what he was trying to do.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, even though.

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Speaker 3: He absolutely did not. Now, everybody flops a joke.

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Speaker 1: I flops several every show, but wow, he flopped that

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Speaker 1: one badly. Plus with the afterwards like hey, I love

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Speaker 1: you guys. It's like this stuff matters. Style, style matters

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Speaker 1: because people are siding like who they want in their face.

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Speaker 1: So for the next four years, which you know, we're

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Speaker 1: going to do a lot of criticism of Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: as she continues to introduce herself to the country over

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Speaker 1: the next three months, and and we'll get into her

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Speaker 1: in a weird ven diagram and stuff like that. Very

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Speaker 1: fair to say that Jadie Vance is not wearing well.

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Speaker 4: Either that speech was at his old high school or

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Speaker 4: middle school.

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Speaker 3: I want to show say either.

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Speaker 4: Yet high school, and he was really familiar with the

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Speaker 4: crowded on to the making jokes about specific teachers. So

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Speaker 4: I think he may have lost and this is not

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Speaker 4: a positive. He may have lost track of the fact

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Speaker 4: that he was giving an address that everyone around the

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Speaker 4: country was going to have access to that was going

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Speaker 4: to be eclipped. And that's obviously one thing to keep

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Speaker 4: in mind when you're suddenly thrust onto the national stage

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Speaker 4: like this. It's not always going to translate as well

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Speaker 4: when things are eclipped and tossed around the internet as

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Speaker 4: it might in person. And the joke is based on

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Speaker 4: something very very true, which is, you know, you can

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Speaker 4: go down the line if you just type in blank

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Speaker 4: is racist some you know article ten years ago, and

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Speaker 4: Slate will come up or BuzzFeed will come up from

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Speaker 4: like twenty fourteen saying yes, diet mountain dew is racist.

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Speaker 4: That specific article probably doesn't exist, but maybe some.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna look clear. The first thing

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Speaker 1: Google asked me what was bad for you? Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: bad for you.

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Speaker 4: So it's not, you know, entirely off face. And this

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Speaker 4: is something that wrinkles a lot of ordinary Americans that

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Speaker 4: you know, you can't do anything without being Atlantic.

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Speaker 1: Sabe Advance has a point about Mountain dew.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's written by me Atlantic.

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Speaker 3: This is this, You've got to be kidding me.

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Speaker 1: The sub headline in The Atlantic, the soft drink has

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Speaker 1: long been associated with the joy and despair of white America.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's definitely.

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Speaker 4: Something that's really something. Anyway, we probably shouldn't go too

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Speaker 4: deep down the dim Mountain dew rabbit.

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Speaker 3: All I gotta go, but I can't.

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Speaker 4: Let's put the next element of the screen. Speaking of

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Speaker 4: things Ryan loves, here's Laura Lumer. It's time for Republicans

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Speaker 4: to start talking about Kamala Harris's sexual history and the

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Speaker 4: reason why she likely doesn't have any children of her own.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, im Melina bet she's had so many abortions

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Speaker 4: that she damaged her uterus. A woman who has no

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Speaker 4: biological children of her own should not be allowed to

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Speaker 4: make decisions in the White House for your children, So

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Speaker 4: abortion point aside. That is why people who are very

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Speaker 4: much a figment or very much involved in online right

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Speaker 4: wing politics and are fluent in that language, which Jadvance

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Speaker 4: is one of. It's why the online right likes jd

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Speaker 4: Vance so much. That sort of meme of people who

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Speaker 4: are childless shouldn't make decisions about the future of the

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Speaker 4: country is why Jade Vance felt comfortable saying that on

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Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson a few years ago. It's something we've heard

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Speaker 4: from Tucker Carlson. Jd Vance Personally, I detest that line

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Speaker 4: of argument because it is so off putting to people

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Speaker 4: in those situations that you should be trying to persuade.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a parent. I imagine that there is something that

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Speaker 4: changes about your politics when you realize that there's a

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Speaker 4: future for your own offspring that's on the line. The

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Speaker 4: stakes are obviously higher, but it is the Republicans, from

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Speaker 4: my perspective, at least should be offering a positive message

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Speaker 4: if they want people to vote Republican, if they want

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Speaker 4: people to become a Christian and conservative and share their views.

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Speaker 4: The insults are just coming across as bitter and counterproductive.

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Speaker 4: So the Laura Lumer line, I think it's interesting to

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Speaker 4: see it from her because it seems like it trickles

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Speaker 4: down then to more mainstream Republicans.

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Speaker 1: It's also not believable at all in the sense that

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans, if she did have young children,

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Speaker 1: would be saying, why aren't you at home taking care

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Speaker 1: of your young children?

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Speaker 3: Then she doesn't have children.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, how could you actually care about

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Speaker 1: the future you don't have children.

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Speaker 3: So it's sort of like the fillish life think you.

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Speaker 1: I think you're just going to come up with a

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Speaker 1: reason that you don't want this woman to be president.

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Speaker 1: Some people might be wondering, why on earth, you know,

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Speaker 1: put up something like as as bonkers as that that

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Speaker 1: Laura Lumer post. She has one point one million followers

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and she and she helps to kind of

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Speaker 1: drive and craft a lot of conservative narratives.

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Speaker 4: And I wouldn't sy I would say Magan.

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Speaker 1: Narratives, Magan narrative narratives, and this I think there's a

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Speaker 1: there's an interesting kind of Elon Musk point to be

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Speaker 1: made here. Like Lumor has been a notable member of

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Speaker 1: the fringe for a very long time. When Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: took over Twitter, uh drove out all the progressives for

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Speaker 1: the most part except me, I'm hanging out there, uh,

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Speaker 1: and then elevated the fringe to center stage on this

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Speaker 1: massive platform where journalists are still hanging out and watching,

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Speaker 1: even if they're not all participating it. He took the

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Speaker 1: break show and made it the main event. And I

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Speaker 1: think it actually hurts the Republican Party. It does because

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Speaker 1: all of us are then seeing like, oh, this is y'all.

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Speaker 4: Really, it really hurt Democrats when Jack was in charge,

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Speaker 4: because that's the basis for the It's the basis for

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Speaker 4: the JD Van's argument. There you had mainstream writers journalists

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Speaker 4: on the left who were making absurd arguments about why

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Speaker 4: everything was raised people.

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Speaker 1: Even more fringe than that with whoever could say the

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Speaker 1: craziest thing and say it in like academic language would

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Speaker 1: then get five million views on Twitter that day, and

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Speaker 1: Democrats would be tearing their hair out being liked, this

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Speaker 1: is not this does not represent the mainstream of our party.

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Speaker 1: Twitter is not real life was the phrase that everybody

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Speaker 1: would kind of throw at them. And now he's done

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Speaker 1: the reverse.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we just landed on a really interesting

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Speaker 4: point because you, despite our best efforts, because you started

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Speaker 4: this by saying, maybe America is just weird. Maybe America

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Speaker 4: is just weird, And because Twitter and social media has

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Speaker 4: gamified our politics, the fringe is obviously.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're just attracted to like engaging with weirdness. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: even if even if fascinating, if that's not actually where

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Speaker 1: we are, it's much more interesting.

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Speaker 4: And the politicians mistake that for affirmation or for some

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Speaker 4: sign that an argument they want to make is going

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Speaker 4: to be more potent or mainstream than it actually is,

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Speaker 4: which are politics then are further distorted from reality.

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Speaker 1: On Capitol Hill, you had a ton of Republican members

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Speaker 1: of Congress repeating these talking points, despite an effort by

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson and others to say, guys, stop talking about

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Speaker 1: her race, stop calling her DEI candidate, stop talking about

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Speaker 1: her gender. So here's here's some of the efforts to

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Speaker 1: use kind of normal talking points against hers.

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Speaker 3: Here's Mano over at CNN. I don't think it matters too.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats run can't change the facts.

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Speaker 8: Facts are.

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Speaker 6: In three and a half years, we went from a

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Speaker 6: secure border to no border and she's the borders are that's.

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Speaker 4: Her biggest liability.

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Speaker 8: I think, I mean, I think it was their biggest

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Speaker 8: liability to begin with, and she was tasked with fixing

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Speaker 8: it and that has not gone well.

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Speaker 4: It should be tougher to beat.

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Speaker 3: She will not be tougher to be No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: We're excited abou Kamala le bean at the top of

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Speaker 3: the ticket.

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Speaker 4: So I was listening in PR on the way over

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Speaker 4: here and they were questioning Bob Casey about Kamala Harris

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Speaker 4: on immigration, and he had a really hard time answering

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Speaker 4: the question that even NPR was asking to defend her

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Speaker 4: record or whether that will be I think the question

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Speaker 4: is whether it would be a problem for her in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: Energy and immigration in ross belt states are a huge,

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Speaker 4: huge vulnerability for Kamala Harris. There are a lot of

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Speaker 4: old clips for her when she was trying to run

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Speaker 4: to the left of a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of people dan fracking, yes, and plastic straws.

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Speaker 4: If Republicans can make that argument, it will be devastating

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Speaker 4: to her in rost belt states and could be devastating

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Speaker 4: for them in the election. That said, you know those

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Speaker 4: states also have big suburban populations that can be driven

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Speaker 4: to vote on the weirdness and if they're you know,

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Speaker 4: running to out weird each other or to let's say,

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Speaker 4: out what is how do you even say what they're

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Speaker 4: going to be doing in terms of like running away

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Speaker 4: from the weirdness charge too, like they're trying to out

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Speaker 4: normal each other. Let's say that unsuccessfully. Probably in fact,

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Speaker 4: let's actually put this this is before we'll put befour

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Speaker 4: up on the screen. This newsmas openly advocating for Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris seems unfair to the Trump campaign, wrote, Matt Bender

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Speaker 4: supports massive corporate tax wanted to cap rent and utility payments,

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Speaker 4: backed tax funded medicare for all investigated fossil fuel companies.

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Speaker 4: Those are the news mes chirns will Kamala Harris spoke

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Speaker 4: yesterday in Milwaukee. Now B five is a memo from

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Speaker 4: the nr SC, the National Republican Senatorial Committee that has

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Speaker 4: this section on Kamala Harris's kind of like an OPO

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Speaker 4: document where they're just listing some of the most potent

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Speaker 4: lines of attack what they believe to be the most

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Speaker 4: potent lines of attack on Kamala Harris for Senate candidates.

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Speaker 4: Republican Senate candidates, and under the one section, it's just

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Speaker 4: weird that Kamala Harris has a habit of laughing at

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Speaker 4: inappropriate moments. Going through some of the bullet points here,

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Speaker 4: she's pleasured of ban plastic straws, favor in favor of

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Speaker 4: banning certain behaviors like eating red meat, loves ben diagrams,

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Speaker 4: loves electric school buses because she went to school on

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Speaker 4: a school bus, recently discovered that electricity doesn't smell so ryan.

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Speaker 4: Then you're going to be juxtaposing jd Vance, who has

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Speaker 4: said whatever about cat ladies and diet mountain dew, and

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Speaker 4: Trump's weirdness, which is in another league and is actually

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Speaker 4: much more funny than the weirdness of Kamala Harris or

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Speaker 4: jad Vans with the weirdness of Kamala Harrison, perhaps whoever

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Speaker 4: she picks us her vice presidential candidate. And that's what

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Speaker 4: you know, voters are going to have to choose between,

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Speaker 4: in addition to the broader issues like immigration and energy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're different versions of cringe. Yeah, yes, this is

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Speaker 1: the one we just put up. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have two flavors of cringe with these two.

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Speaker 3: With these two.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Donald Trump This is pretty funny. We put up

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Speaker 1: this next element B six. Trump just cannot let go

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Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, crooked Joe Biden, and tum Biden has

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Speaker 1: left the stage. So everything Trump has been truth socially

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Speaker 1: has been about about Joe Biden and not about Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: And Joe Biden is now leaving the stage with this

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Speaker 1: crooked Joe Biden never landing.

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Speaker 4: I love that one in the bottom left. If it's

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Speaker 4: like such a non sequitur Biden never have had COVID.

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Speaker 4: He has a threat to democracy.

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Speaker 1: He's just throwing stuff against the wall. No, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that he's afraid to run against Kamala Harris, but

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Speaker 1: it means he's having a hard time processing the events.

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Speaker 3: It seems like, yeah, well, I mean it's been a

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Speaker 3: big week for him.

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Speaker 4: It's been a big month death experience, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Plus then a convention, plus then losing his opponent and

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Speaker 1: getting a new one, getting a new one, and his

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Speaker 1: son talking into choosing jd Vance, his son whose judgment

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really respect, and yet followed. You can you

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Speaker 1: can just be certain that the fact that he listened

879
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: to his son is gnawing at him as he kind

880
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: of contemplates the JD Vance pick.

881
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: Well, again, I think what he valued in the JD

882
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: Advance pick more than anything. We've talked a lot about

883
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: JD Vance in the show. I just don't see any evidence,

884
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: like Harry Anton can put up that graphic that actually

885
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 4: showed Vance's favorability is still higher than Trump's, his net

886
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 4: favorability still higher than Trump's, which RCP at least has

887
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: around like negative nine somewhere around there, and their average

888
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: Jdvance could go down to like negative twenty, and I

889
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: don't think it would have a meaningful outcome or a

890
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: meaningful effect on the outcome of the election. Honestly, just

891
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: don't think people vote on vice presidents. All that is

892
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: to say, it does affect the vibe, no question about

893
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: it. It affects the vibe. So vibes are weird. The vibes

894
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: are weird. And whether Republicans use Joe Biden as a

895
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 4: line of attack on Kamala Harris Donald Trump clearly is

896
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 4: there is something to be said on the cover up angle.

897
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: You said, you give good reason for why that might

898
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: not work earlier in the show. But we'll see what

899
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: Republicans end up sticking to.

900
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: And we're going to get a debate. It looks like

901
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: or at least at least one. Donald Trump is saying

902
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: he'd be willing to debate Kamala Harris more than once.

903
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: We can put c one up on the screen.

904
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: On a call with reporters from President Trump says he

905
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Speaker 1: will commit to debating Vice President Harris, but it's not

906
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: thrilled with ABC. As debate host said he'd be willing

907
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Speaker 1: to do more than one debate as well.

908
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: Let's see who would ABC be? That would be Stephanopolis.

909
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: It could be Stephanopoulos unless they're I think they've kept

910
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 4: him out of debate moderating before because of that, but

911
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: it may have been just a pure Republican debate. Monitors

912
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Speaker 4: reading that they've replaced him with what Margaret Brennan.

913
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how do you think? How do you think

914
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Speaker 1: Trump would do against Kamala Harris?

915
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Speaker 4: She is a Ted Cruz type, Marco Brennan's on CBS,

916
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: So I take that back, but I think she's a

917
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: Ted Cruise.

918
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: I disagree with this, but I want to hear you

919
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: Ted Cruse type.

920
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 4: In a very generic sense, not in a specific sense,

921
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: but in a generic sense, which is that she is

922
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: a talented well she was at one point of talented politician,

923
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 4: and she was until she became vice president and there

924
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: was a camera on her all the time, and she

925
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 4: said it insane. But she's sort of talented on paper.

926
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: You know, has has the right education, the right political career,

927
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: and you know, can talk about the issues, et cetera.

928
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter when you're up against Donald Trump. She's

929
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 4: just a generic politician, and Donald Trump eats generic politicians

930
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 4: for lunch. Just you can be Hillary Clinton whatever. Joe

931
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: Biden is a pretty general politician, but he's kind of

932
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 4: got a folksier part of him. For what it's worth

933
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Speaker 4: that he always at least pretended to have these populist,

934
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Speaker 4: folksy instincts in a way that Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris,

935
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Speaker 4: Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, they just could never

936
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Speaker 4: pull it off. And so Donald Trump will eat you

937
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Speaker 4: for lunch if you're like that.

938
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Speaker 1: So the reason I say I disagree is that I

939
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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz is a meticulous.

940
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Speaker 4: Uh prep guy, and Kamala Harris isn't.

941
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Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna have all his lines memorized, He's

942
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Speaker 1: gonna have all his arguments laid out.

943
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Speaker 3: He's a debate bro. He loves to debate. He loves

944
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Speaker 3: to pick out what somebody said, would challenge them.

945
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Speaker 1: Uh, and he has a really thorough, kind of maybe

946
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: surface level, but a but thorough surface level grasp on

947
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: issue so that such that he can talk about them

948
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Speaker 1: long enough to sound educated and eloquent throughout the length

949
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Speaker 1: of a debate. If you had to go for you know,

950
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Speaker 1: days with actual policy experts, then it's obviously he's going

951
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: to fall apart.

952
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Speaker 3: But no politician really has to do that in public.

953
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Speaker 1: So whereas whereas Kamala Harris is much more of a

954
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: kind of riffer and off the cuff person who has

955
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: phrases that she goes back to sure as kind of crutches, Well.

956
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: That's Marco and I guess it was Chris Christie because

957
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: Trump wasn't at that debate, right, Trump would have Let's

958
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 4: be real, Trump would have had a field day with

959
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 4: that too.

960
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: Now, the reason I think that it could it's it

961
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: could be an interesting debate is that Harris is at

962
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Speaker 1: her worst when somebody is pressing her directly on a

963
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: vulnerability that she should be prepared to respond to, but

964
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Speaker 1: she isn't and that Trump just doesn't do that because

965
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Speaker 1: Trump is all about himself and the debate and exuding

966
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: his own kind of set like that that's him. He

967
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: doesn't tactically kind of try to pin somebody down. Instead,

968
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: he uses his own buzzwords, you know. You know, he'll say, like,

969
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, laptop wrong, hunter wrong, and you have to

970
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: kind of be kind of in the mix of his

971
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: train of thought to understand what he's what he's saying,

972
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Speaker 1: and which means that whoever he's saying it to doesn't

973
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: have to like respond directly to any anything because Trump

974
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: doesn't say anything directly. Trump just kind of throws a

975
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff against the wall.

976
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Speaker 4: Which is why nobody can compete with him.

977
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, he'll have a hard time

978
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Speaker 1: exposing Harris's big vulnerability, like because he'll he'll just say, like,

979
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Speaker 1: you know, he'll say border border, border chaos, energy and benefit,

980
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: immigrants raping people, and by the end of his answer,

981
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: like it will be very clear what tru was trying

982
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: to say, but he won't be but it'll be so

983
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: out there that it will let Harris off the hook

984
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: so that she can just give a speech about immigration

985
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: or something.

986
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: Say what you will about Joe Biden, at least when

987
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 4: he's conscious, he is a charismatic politician, and he always

988
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: has been. That's actually something that's to his credit. He's

989
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 4: able to. He can riff and sometimes he really shouldn't riff,

990
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: but he does, like when he talked about seven eleven's

991
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: in his state in an interview, which if you haven't seen,

992
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 4: go ahead and look up Joe Biden several champions. Yes,

993
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: very trumpy in moment circle like two thousand and seven,

994
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 4: but he's charismatic. Hillary Clinton is not charismatic. Kamala Harris

995
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: is not charismatic. Both of them try very hard to be, though,

996
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 4: and that I see standing up to Trump very poorly,

997
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 4: just because he is so absurdly charismatic that he just

998
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: drowns it out.

999
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, maybe it depends on yours, then

1000
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: it's subjective, but I kind of feel like she does

1001
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: have some charisma, certainly personally Cringema.

1002
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: I tried to make that person. She does exude a charisma.

1003
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: And I've I've never talked to her.

1004
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: Despite and maybe that maybe it doesn't come through on

1005
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: the screen.

1006
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 3: I kind of think it does.

1007
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it kind of is evaporated by like the

1008
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: looping sentences where you start to like get really worried

1009
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: for her. You're following the sentence, You're like, oh god,

1010
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: where is this going to go?

1011
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: And is she stuck in the loop.

1012
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: Talking about time or whatever else and just hoping that

1013
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: she can find her way out of this loop, out

1014
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: of this loop, and so then you forget that there's

1015
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: some charisma there.

1016
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: Well. It's interesting because I remember covering her son a

1017
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: campaign and thinking I actually was pretty impressed with her

1018
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: as a politician because the Los Angeles Times back then

1019
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 4: had gone with her to a fundraiser and she was,

1020
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: you know, in front of this room of California Democrats,

1021
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: pushing them. It became her three am policy or whatever.

1022
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: But at the time, she was like, listen, the identity

1023
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: politics stuff is not what people are thinking about when

1024
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: they're laying awake at three in the morning worrying about

1025
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: their families. And that was a this was what twenty

1026
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 4: eighteen something like that. It was a pretty brave thing

1027
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: to say in a room full of California progressives back then,

1028
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: and I remember thinking she actually might have something like

1029
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: there's you have to have charisma. I feel like to

1030
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 4: be making points like that. So it just seems that

1031
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 4: being vice president totally broke her brain. I thought she

1032
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: had charisma. In those Senate Judiciary hearings. She was going

1033
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 4: viral all the time. For those who you completely disagreed

1034
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: with her, most of the time, she was going viral.

1035
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 3: She handled her well.

1036
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like being vice president just caused her.

1037
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: To melt or running for running for president too.

1038
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 4: That's true, right, she had a lot of I mean,

1039
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: Christma didn't necessarily come through during those debates, unless I say,

1040
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: by the way, is Trump in this call with reporters

1041
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 4: that was mentioned in the element we put up on

1042
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: the screen, he said that he absolutely that was his quote,

1043
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 4: absolutely thinks he should be debating Harris. He said multiple

1044
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 4: times you mentioned that earlier, and he said he thinks

1045
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: that people have quote an obligation to debate, which was

1046
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: on the table before he agreed to these debates. Whether

1047
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: or not either candidate felt obliged to stand on the

1048
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: stage and debate one another, I think because of what

1049
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: happened with Joe Biden, I pray that we were approaching

1050
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 4: this norm of no debates for primaries or whatever people

1051
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: were saying it doesn't really matter Trump skipped a debate.

1052
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 4: It was becoming more and more of a talking point.

1053
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 4: I pray that this is finally disabused us of the

1054
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 4: notion that it is okay to forego debates, because if

1055
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: Joe Biden had had to debate in the primary where

1056
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 4: he did have serious opponents, he would have crumbled and

1057
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 4: we could have done all of this earlier.

1058
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: And the irony is that if Trump had refused to

1059
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: debate him, and the first debate wasn't until September, by

1060
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: then it would have been too late for Joe Biden

1061
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: to drop off the ticket and he would have lost

1062
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: in a Mondale level of landslide. So Trump, by accepting

1063
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: the debate hut the whole put the whole thing at risk,

1064
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: for his whole his whole campaign at risk.

1065
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: Sure did. He also said he thinks it'll be quote

1066
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 4: no different debating Kamala Harris than it would Joe Biden

1067
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: in again, because.

1068
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't care who he's debating. It's just himself, right.

1069
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 4: And it gets the point you were making earlier in

1070
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 4: the show that you can turn Biden migrant crime into

1071
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: Harris migrant crime crime, or Biden inflation into Harris flation.

1072
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: That's something Republicans are really banking on at this point

1073
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 4: because they have spent months preparing the case against Joe

1074
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: Biden and end of the almost before the convention, right

1075
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 4: at the end of the road, they had the rug

1076
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: pulled out from under them.

1077
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Speaker 1: We're joined now by independent journalist Motaz Sliam joining us

1078
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Speaker 1: from Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 3: Motaz, thanks for joining.

1080
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 8: Us, of course, thanks for having me, And.

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Speaker 1: So Benjamin Etna, who has arrived in Washington, d C.

1082
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Speaker 1: We can put this vio up of the screen as

1083
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: you can see smiles all around as he lands here

1084
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: and in the DC area. He'll be addressing a joint

1085
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: session of Congress at two o'clock this afternoon. At least

1086
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: twenty Democrats have so far said that they will be

1087
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: boycotting the address. Almost all of them will be meeting,

1088
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, willing to meet at some point privately, either

1089
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill.

1090
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Speaker 4: First saw a picture of the entourage in.

1091
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: The White House. There's the entourage.

1092
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Speaker 4: There, including Noah Argamani, which the picture was pointing out

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Speaker 4: former hostage now released, has become really the face of

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Speaker 4: or one of the most prominent faces of the you know,

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Speaker 4: the war. It's in support of the war that Israel's prosecuting.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Indeed, yesterday ahead of his speech, protesters

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Speaker 1: kind of took over the Canon rotunda.

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Speaker 3: If you can, we can roll some of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So motas you were there at Cannon yesterday, can you

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Speaker 1: tell us what the what what the demands of the

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Speaker 1: protesters were and what what the mood was there.

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Speaker 12: The demands ultimately are for permanent ceasefire in Guzza as

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Speaker 12: well as a arms embargo on Israel.

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Speaker 8: As well as there was a very it was very

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Speaker 8: emotional in the sense that.

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Speaker 12: You could tell people really really don't want, for very

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Speaker 12: justifiable reasons, Natan Yahoo to speak or to even have

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Speaker 12: been invited. But ultimately, the I think the central demand

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Speaker 12: is an arms embargo and to bring an end to

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Speaker 12: the genocide.

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Speaker 4: And you're on Capitol Hill right now, as the Capitol

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Speaker 4: Hill police and other law enforcement have prepared with what

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Speaker 4: looks like the leftover fence from the January sixth barricade

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Speaker 4: that they put it on the Capitol afterwards. So tell

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Speaker 4: us what the mood is like. They're what you're expecting

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Speaker 4: to see today and if it's groups like Jewish Voices

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Speaker 4: for Peace, which is who we saw yesterday and who

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Speaker 4: we just saw in that video. Basically, what's happening outside

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Speaker 4: the capital in the morning of Wednesday as we're talking

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Speaker 4: to you here.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so right now it's around nine point thirty. It's

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Speaker 12: still like there are people congregating. There's this sort of

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Speaker 12: central area. We are on Pennsylvania and kind of a

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Speaker 12: few blocks out of the Capitol, So there's a central area.

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Speaker 8: Where people are kind of planning to meet. And the

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Speaker 8: actual meeting.

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Speaker 12: Time is eleven o'clock and you have like a medical tent,

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Speaker 12: you have a lot of water supplies, signs and whatnot,

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Speaker 12: and people for now are just meeting. I know that

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Speaker 12: there was a protest in front of the water Gate

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Speaker 12: happening earlier today as well, because that's where neatsan Yahoo

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Speaker 12: and his whole like entourage is saying.

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Speaker 1: Do you expect any lawmakers to come to the protest today?

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Speaker 3: If so, who?

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Speaker 8: None that I know of so far?

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Speaker 1: And what are you what are you hearing from the

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Speaker 1: from Democrats about how they're handling his his the decision

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Speaker 1: by Democrats and Republicans to invite him here.

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Speaker 12: Well hearing for the I mean, for the most part,

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Speaker 12: it seems like and I think this is like a

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Speaker 12: really awful thing. The fact that only about twenty or

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Speaker 12: so Democrats have outright said.

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Speaker 8: That they are going to boycott.

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Speaker 12: His speech, and you know, you saw, like, for example,

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Speaker 12: Representative Nadler gave a whole statement about how Natanyahu is

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Speaker 12: this worst possible human who's responsible for the atrocities and.

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Speaker 1: Whatnots leader in Israel for in like three thousand years

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, worst leader in Israel for three thousand years. But

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Speaker 12: I'm still going to attend it.

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Speaker 8: And it's it's really like I run out of words.

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Speaker 12: Especially as as someone Palestinian, of how like how much

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Speaker 12: cover they're giving him. They're trying to rehabilitate his image.

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Speaker 12: They have police forces coming from they got NYPD coming in,

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Speaker 12: they got all of this effort just to protect him

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Speaker 12: when he is really just the you know, the man

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Speaker 12: respects constable for a modern day genocide.

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Speaker 8: It's really awful.

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Speaker 4: Who is participating in this protest? So again yesterday I

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Speaker 4: was Jewish Voices for Peace was a part of that

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Speaker 4: big protest in the rotunda of the Cannon House office building.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that's an important component obviously of

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Speaker 4: how people will interpret what's happening outside the capital. Are

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Speaker 4: there Jewish protesters? What's the kind of coalition outside the

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Speaker 4: capital today?

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Speaker 8: I think it's really a mixture. There's a variety of

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Speaker 8: different contingents.

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Speaker 12: I know there's going to be a Jewish contingent here

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Speaker 12: joining the protests.

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Speaker 8: You have sort of.

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Speaker 12: Palestinian led organizations. You also have a lot of labor

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Speaker 12: organizations that have mobilized in order to join the protest

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Speaker 12: today because.

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Speaker 8: Influenced a lot by.

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Speaker 12: Labor organizing in Palestine which has been potting out, a

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Speaker 12: lot of calls, a lot of messaging.

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Speaker 8: Two pressure organizations.

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Speaker 12: At all levels too, not just boycott and that's in Yahoo,

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Speaker 12: but really put the pressure on Israel to put the

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Speaker 12: pressure on the US to actually implement an arms embargo

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Speaker 12: on Israel, because that's kind of the main leverage we have.

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Speaker 12: But to answer your question, it's a variety of many

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Speaker 12: walks of life and different backgrounds.

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Speaker 4: Let's just quickly put the element D four up on

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Speaker 4: the screen since we just referenced it. Their seven major

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Speaker 4: unions just sent a letter this is July twenty third,

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Speaker 4: so yesterday to Biden calling on him to immediately haul

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Speaker 4: all military aid to Israel ahead of it now who's

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Speaker 4: visit to Washington? So that included the s CiU, the

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Speaker 4: UAW and some other big unions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the s c IU extremely close with Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: which could be interesting and raises the question motaz of

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Speaker 1: how people are how people there and people talked to

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Speaker 1: yesterday and in the in the movement more generally are

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Speaker 1: feeling about the switch from Biden to to Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: How how much has the door open for people to

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Speaker 1: consider now supporting a Democratic ticket given you know, the

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Speaker 1: the complexity of this question is that Harris is part

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Speaker 1: of the Biden Harris administration. She's also represents potentially a

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Speaker 1: new path forward. Where where are people coming down on this?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's I think, looking at it.

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Speaker 12: And in an objective as as objective sense as I can.

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Speaker 8: It does definitely.

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Speaker 12: I mean, the chances are much higher for Kamala to

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Speaker 12: receive votes from people who are very concerned about what's

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Speaker 12: happening in Buzzo, what's happening in Palestine, especially from like

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Speaker 12: the Arab American population here.

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Speaker 8: That being said, I think.

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Speaker 12: This is anecdotally speaking, I mean my understanding from a

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Speaker 12: lot of Palestinians I've talked to and Muslims is we

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Speaker 12: they want to see first what if she is actually

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Speaker 12: going to change any of the policies that Biden has

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Speaker 12: kind of toad so far, because Biden has pretty much

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Speaker 12: given a green light to Natanyahu and his administration despite

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Speaker 12: all the different god knows how many red lines for

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Speaker 12: different things there have been that Yaho has passed, and then.

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Speaker 8: Really there was no consequences.

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Speaker 12: For any sort of the atrocities, the massacres, the war crimes.

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Speaker 8: So, I mean, you do see this rhetoric from a

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Speaker 8: lot of people.

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Speaker 12: In like a lot of liberals saying that, oh, like

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Speaker 12: we need to push her left. I personally am am

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Speaker 12: doubtful of that because it's you know, she's she's received

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Speaker 12: a lot of money from the pro Israel, pro Israel

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Speaker 12: lobby groups in her career, and it's seems pretty clear

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Speaker 12: she's trying to have like a harsher rhetoric. But it's

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Speaker 12: been ten months of genocide and rhetoric is not enough anymore.

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Speaker 8: I'll say that as a.

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Speaker 12: Palestinian first and foremost, like we need to see an

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Speaker 12: action plan and things put into place to use our

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Speaker 12: leverage as the US to bring an end to the genocide.

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Speaker 1: Instead, we're going to hear from Prime Minister Benjamin Netyahu

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Speaker 1: addressing a joint session of.

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Speaker 3: Congress later today. Quite quite a moment.

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Speaker 1: Motas, thank you so much for joining us, and welcome

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Speaker 1: back anytime.

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Speaker 8: Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Up next, Nel Shaline, a State Department official who resign

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Speaker 1: in protest over the US's unquestioning support for the Dyahu's

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Speaker 1: war on Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Stick around for the.

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Speaker 4: What We're joined now by someone who actually resigned from

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Speaker 4: a post at the State Department over the way the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration had prosecuted the war on a war on Hamas.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by doctor Anel Shalen, who is now a

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Speaker 4: researcher at the Quincy Institute. And now thanks for coming

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Speaker 4: on the show to talk about this.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: And so Anel.

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Speaker 1: You may have seen this Politico article and we can

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen here. The headline was

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Speaker 1: Biden resignees are more hopeful.

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Speaker 3: What was the exact happen.

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Speaker 4: More hopeful about Harris's Israel policy? That is a July

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Speaker 4: twenty first Politico story. And as we are talking to

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Speaker 4: you and now you are, we can put f one

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Speaker 4: up on the screen. You're one of those resignees, but

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Speaker 4: I think there's an open question about whether you're one

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Speaker 4: of them who's quote hopeful.

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Speaker 1: So many of people have resigned in the State Department

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Speaker 1: over this policy that there's an entire now group of

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Speaker 1: people that can have differing opinions, So curious where you

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Speaker 1: fall down and the question of a change in a

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Speaker 1: potential change in policy toward this war.

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Speaker 13: I mean, there is an opportunity right now. I think

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Speaker 13: the question is who is in touch with Kamala Harris's team,

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Speaker 13: And again open question. Obviously it's not yet totally solidified

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Speaker 13: that she'll be the nominee, but assuming that she is,

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Speaker 13: I know that several of my fellow resignees, you know,

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Speaker 13: we're in touch with each other. It's such a great

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Speaker 13: source of support to get to work with them. We

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Speaker 13: released a joint statement the week of July fourth where

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Speaker 13: we were calling for a different policy. So absolutely there's

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Speaker 13: an opportunity now for a new approach. I think I'm

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Speaker 13: just a little bit less inclined towards optimism just knowing

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Speaker 13: the strength of the Israel lobby in US politics. You know,

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Speaker 13: I think that we are seeing a generational change. I

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Speaker 13: don't think we'll continue to see this bipartisan support for

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Speaker 13: this unconditional support for Israel. But I don't know that

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Speaker 13: that political change is either here yet or that politicians

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Speaker 13: are really plugged into it yet. I don't know that

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Speaker 13: Harris and her team are plugged into it. I do

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Speaker 13: think I hope they would be, because that could help

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Speaker 13: bring young people who are completely disillusioned with this policy.

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Speaker 13: It could bring really critical voters, Arab American voters, and

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Speaker 13: critical parts of the country the progressives. But I won't

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Speaker 13: be surprised if she maintains a lot of these same policies.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a little bit about how the

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Speaker 1: lobby actually works. So I've spoken with some State Department

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Speaker 1: officials who have said that the way that it works

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Speaker 1: from their perspective is.

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Speaker 3: If they if they push a little bit too.

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Speaker 1: Hard, let's say, in a meeting with Israeli counterparts, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden that will be told, Hey, so the

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Speaker 1: boss got a call from Ron Dharmer, you know, said

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Speaker 1: that you're a little bit off the leash. Why am

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Speaker 1: I hearing from Ron Durmer about you chilling? And they

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Speaker 1: just tighten the leash there a little bit.

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Speaker 8: Is that.

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Speaker 1: Have you experienced that or have you heard that type

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Speaker 1: of kind of influence or in general, how does it

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Speaker 1: actually function in practice as you're trying to do your job.

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Speaker 13: So I was with the Bureau of Democracy Human Rights

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Speaker 13: in Labor or DRL and then their Office of Nearest Affairs,

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Speaker 13: and I wasn't working directly on Israel Palestine. You know,

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Speaker 13: my portfolio was different countries. But everything I was doing

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Speaker 13: and trying to advocate for human rights was absolutely undermined

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Speaker 13: and made essentially impossible by Israel's war on Gaza. But

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Speaker 13: what I observed wouldn't have necessarily probably risen to that

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Speaker 13: level because I was, you know, working level. But what

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Speaker 13: I would see would be if there might be a

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Speaker 13: shared document and you're working on it with a bunch

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Speaker 13: of different people, different offenses, and you're suggesting comments and

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Speaker 13: someone might put in your comment, you know, if I

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Speaker 13: had said something that was like more critical or pointing

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Speaker 13: out something about Israel, someone might say in the comment

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Speaker 13: you know that that's not that's not going to work,

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Speaker 13: or they might just erase it. And so then it's

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Speaker 13: a question, well do do you escalate it? Where are

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Speaker 13: the Human Rights Office? So os sensibly and to be clear,

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Speaker 13: you know, my superiors in DRL were trying to, you know,

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Speaker 13: within the sort of marginal space that they could to

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Speaker 13: push for human rights. But human rights are never the

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Speaker 13: first priority of US foreign policy, and so we were

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Speaker 13: always outranked.

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Speaker 4: We were you know, we.

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Speaker 13: Never really got to call the shots when it came

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Speaker 13: to human rights in Israel or you know, any country

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Speaker 13: other than countries that we just routinely call out, like

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Speaker 13: Iran and Syria. So what I observed would probably be less.

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Speaker 13: You know, our boss got a call about you because

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Speaker 13: I was too junior. It was more this internal self

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Speaker 13: censorship of other people just knowing that like, yeah, you

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Speaker 13: can't say that, got it?

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Speaker 4: So something interesting. You resigned in March, and in your

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Speaker 4: CNN A bad you wrote about how some of your

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Speaker 4: colleagues said, please speak for us. What are you hearing

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Speaker 4: if you can speak to that from people who maybe

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Speaker 4: are still inside official Washington capacities or working in official

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Speaker 4: capacities now that you know, we talked about how people

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Speaker 4: like you had already resigned, are looking at a potential

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Speaker 4: Harris administration. What are you hearing if you are from

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Speaker 4: people who are still inside the government about what that

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Speaker 4: might look.

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Speaker 13: Like people in government think Trump is going to win,

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Speaker 13: and they're really scared of that, especially worried about Project

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty five and losing their jobs. I think that

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Speaker 13: they're also pretty cynical about Harris, at least the folks

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Speaker 13: that I'm in touch with, they don't anticipate a shift here.

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Speaker 13: You know, these are people who've spent their careers in

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Speaker 13: government and they've seen right and go, and this policy

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Speaker 13: doesn't change.

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Speaker 4: This is the third vale of American.

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Speaker 13: Politics, and so there are people now inside government who

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Speaker 13: are continuing to do what they can. I know a

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Speaker 13: big contingent are going to be at the protest today

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Speaker 13: against bb probably you know, obscuring their appearance to avoid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, their state lanyard zone. Yeah. But you know, I

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Speaker 4: do think that.

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Speaker 13: Many people inside government are really worried about about Trump

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Speaker 13: coming back, but they do see it as kind of

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Speaker 13: an inevitability.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of human rights, if we could put up

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Speaker 1: D three on the screen here, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw this. This is a piece I published last

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Speaker 1: night at drop site News leaked you own report Israeli

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Speaker 1: Worse called three hundred and sixty six UN staff and

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Speaker 1: family members ASNA who prepares to address Congress. And this

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Speaker 1: is the first it's a confidential report from the UN

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Speaker 1: that was the was leaked to us. It's the first

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Speaker 1: one that has laid out the number of dependents of

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Speaker 1: UN staff, so not just UN staff. And you know,

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Speaker 1: people have been killed from UNISEEF, the UN Development Program, UNRA,

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Speaker 1: the World Food Program of the World Health Organization, and

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Speaker 1: also from this un like It department. So, as somebody

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Speaker 1: with a human rights record since World War Two, have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen so many UN workers and their families

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Speaker 1: targeted and killed in a conflict before? And what does

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Speaker 1: it say about what's going on the ground?

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 13: Never never, And you know is the kanesset I think

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Speaker 13: just designated UNRAH a terrorist organization. This is a UN

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Speaker 13: agency and they are targeting you know. Not only did

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Speaker 13: they level these accusations against the twelve UNRA employees such

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Speaker 13: that the US withdrew funding, as did much of the

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Speaker 13: rest of the way world. Other countries have now reinstated

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Speaker 13: some of that funding, which is good. But without US funding,

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Speaker 13: UNRA does not have the money it needs to function.

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Speaker 13: And so the way that Israel has targeted the UN

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Speaker 13: and designated UN agency's terrorist organizations is completely dismantling the

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Speaker 13: supposed legitimacy of the UN system in ways that will

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Speaker 13: have repercussions around the world. I mean, if we don't

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Speaker 13: have a set of institutions, and certainly there were already

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Speaker 13: issues with UN. It's not perfect, but it is what

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Speaker 13: we have, similar to international law. International law, it's not perfect.

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Speaker 13: But the ways that Israel in the US have so

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Speaker 13: directly undermined it and even used it kind of to

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Speaker 13: justify what they're doing, this is going to have massive

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Speaker 13: repercussions for conflicts going forward.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is, it is.

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Speaker 13: It's going to horrifyingly I run it because so many

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Speaker 13: of these institutions were set up in the aftermath of

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Speaker 13: World War two to try to prevent another holocaust, and

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Speaker 13: you know, I think we can't even know yet what

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Speaker 13: the damage from that will be.

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Speaker 4: So that's something I think is really underappreciated in this

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Speaker 4: larger conversation. And you write in your cna AP ed

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Speaker 4: about how American credibility on human rights has I think

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Speaker 4: the quote has almost vanished from your outbed over the

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Speaker 4: course of the last six plus months as this war

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Speaker 4: has transpired. Can you talk to us a little bit

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Speaker 4: about that and what it might look like down the

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Speaker 4: road in future conflicts or for example, there's a war

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Speaker 4: in Ukraine right now, how is this affecting other spaces?

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Speaker 13: And I want to be clear, advocating for human rights

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Speaker 13: on the behalf of the United States in the Middle

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 13: East was already not easy, do you ways imagine did

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Speaker 13: not have a lot of credibility there, but it was

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Speaker 13: still able to engage with civil society organizations. There's you know,

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Speaker 13: work that was done in these deeply authoritarian spaces in

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Speaker 13: ways that really had an impact for people on the ground.

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Speaker 4: And so it was so.

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Speaker 13: Depressing to then meet with some of these individuals, not

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Speaker 13: from Israel or Palestine, elsewhere in the region. We'd sit

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Speaker 13: at a table with them, start, you know, open the

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Speaker 13: conversation about what it is that they're dealing with the

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Speaker 13: way that they're being attacked by their government, and they're

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Speaker 13: like Gaza, Gaza, Like we want to talk about Gaza.

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Speaker 4: How is this happening?

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Speaker 13: How can you you know, this person that I have

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Speaker 13: a relationship with, that I know advocates for human rights,

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Speaker 13: how are you letting this happen? And we'd kind of

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Speaker 13: she bishally have to say, like, I mean this is

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Speaker 13: coming from the very top, like you can't. This is

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Speaker 13: what the president wants and you're some you know, working

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Speaker 13: level person at the State Department or even an under secretary,

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Speaker 13: w sister secretary. You can't change that. So in terms

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Speaker 13: of thinking about Ukraine, it.

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Speaker 4: Is this sort of it's it is such.

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Speaker 13: Cruel irony that we have what Russia is doing to

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Speaker 13: Ukraine in such direct juxtaposition of the US reaction to

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Speaker 13: that and rightful condemnation.

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Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 13: The complete opposite when Israel does even worse things to

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Speaker 13: the civilian population of Gaza, and we have the US saying,

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Speaker 13: you know, the v's international institutions, our right and just

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Speaker 13: in the condemnations of Russia, and then they're trying to

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Speaker 13: go after like the families of the ICC or the

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Speaker 13: ICJ prosecutor when they are called, you know, have accused

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Speaker 13: net Yahoo and was it gallant of war crimes? That

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Speaker 13: just the hypocrisy is so blatant that I think the

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Speaker 13: only thing that the US could try to do to

1454
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 13: re establish credibility on human rights would be to work

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Speaker 13: to establish a state of Palestine, to actually make that happen,

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Speaker 13: not pretend that that's what it's you know, that's been

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Speaker 13: the official policy for years, but the US has done

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Speaker 13: nothing but provide this unconditional support for Israel, which keeps

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Speaker 13: moving US further away from that and towards more violence.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, if we can put up this F

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Speaker 1: three one of the more I mean, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to rank the shockingness that's been coming out of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: but the headline here from the BBC is a World

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Speaker 1: Health organization quote extremely worried about possible Gaza polio outbreak.

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Speaker 1: There were reports in Israeli press about Israeli soldiers being

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Speaker 1: vaccinated for polio before heading into assault Assault Gaza, reports

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Speaker 1: of the virus that causes polio being detected in sewage.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a throwback to something that the

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Speaker 1: world had, you know, felt.

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Speaker 3: Like it had defeated.

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Speaker 1: What does it say to you that the who is

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Speaker 1: now extremely worried about this potential polio outbreak?

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Speaker 13: I mean, like you said, polio, you think of FDR,

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Speaker 13: you know, you think of a bygone era before we

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Speaker 13: had vaccines that could prevent these these completely preventable diseases.

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Speaker 13: And you know, if they're having a polio outbreak, who

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Speaker 13: knows what else could happen. I mean, there's it's completely

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Speaker 13: there's no water, it's completely untreated sewage. There could be

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Speaker 13: all kinds of you know, the population of Gaza. Who

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Speaker 13: knows what else, what other diseases might be circulating there

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Speaker 13: that we're just not even aware of. But you know

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Speaker 13: the fact that the who had gotten so close to

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Speaker 13: eliminating polio and now we're worried about an outbreak. It's

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Speaker 13: I think it's just like you said, it's just one

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Speaker 13: more example of how shocking this conflict is.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything about the conflict that you think people

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Speaker 4: maybe aren't as aware of as somebody who actually worked

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Speaker 4: in the State Department, worked in human rights issues that

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Speaker 4: we haven't covered yet. Is there something people just don't

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Speaker 4: understand should understand better.

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Speaker 13: I think a lot of people aren't sufficiently worried about

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 13: the war expanding and the US getting dragged in. I'm

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01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 13: fairly sure that Bibe is going to ask certain he's

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Speaker 13: going to ask for more money and more weapons. But

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Speaker 13: I think he wants Congress to sign off on him

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Speaker 13: going after Husbullah in Lebanon, and I think his objective

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Speaker 13: is to enter into a war that gets Israeli civilians

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Speaker 13: killed that will try to shift this global condemnation of

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Speaker 13: him and his actions against Palestinians and Gaza and try

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Speaker 13: to claw back some of that sympathy that Israel had

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Speaker 13: after October seventh to then justify expanding the violence. And

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Speaker 13: what I'm worried about is that this will drag in

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Speaker 13: the United States because the US continues to pledge this

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01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 13: unconditional support, that US troops will get dragged in and

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Speaker 13: that this in some ways could be seen as election interference.

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Speaker 13: That Bbie will do this right before the US election.

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Speaker 13: Americans are so tired of unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

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01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 13: This could hand I mean Trump's already Trump could win

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Speaker 13: by himself without this happening, but that could really tank

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Speaker 13: the chances of whoever ends up on the Democratic ticket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and so and now thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us, very much, appreciate it, Thanks for having me

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Speaker 1: and so. Yeah, at two o'clock ya who will address

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Speaker 1: the Joint Session of Congress At eight o'clock later tonight,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden will give his address where I guess he'll

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Speaker 1: and he guesses what he's going to announce.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he already tweeted it. He did tweet it

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Speaker 4: he's been posting.

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Speaker 1: It's you're going to confirm that he is not going

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Speaker 1: to be the Democratic nominationing He'll confirm, little whole scoop here.

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Speaker 3: You heard that here first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great thing. You post something on X

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Speaker 4: wait a few days, jump on video, more content. You

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Speaker 4: can just keep minding it for clicks. So well to

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Speaker 4: the president, sitting president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, well you guys enjoy that at saga.

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Speaker 1: We'll actually be back with Crystal tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: So he should have just taken tomorrow off. What did

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Speaker 4: he should have just taken the whole week he couldn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's so good, so true. So you'll get another I

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Speaker 4: guess dose of Sager before the week is over. Great wedding,

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Speaker 4: by the way, super fun. We had a lot of fun,

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Speaker 4: breaking points, career, had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Ryan was dancing a lot, very happy for the couple.

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, well we will be back next week

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Speaker 4: with more counterpoints. See then,