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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day Edith State?

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Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoo? And no Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: I have very big news to share with you right now.

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Speaker 2: Let's make it a December to remember the calendar has turned.

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Speaker 2: We know a lot more now that it is December.

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Speaker 2: We will talk through some of that and much much more.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a spin on the coaching carousel.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk through some of the brewing playoff debates.

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Speaker 2: going to take a quick meandering through some of the games,

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Speaker 2: not all of the games, but some of the games

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Speaker 2: that Conference Championship Week has in store. Welcome back, My

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Speaker 2: friend has the voice healed? Have you gotten sleep? How

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Speaker 1: I feel great? Ty. You know sometimes when we come

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Speaker 1: previous week. But it was a long, cold Thanksgiving extended weekend,

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Speaker 1: so at one point he was like, absolutely, Texas deserves

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Speaker 1: And it just it wasn't the same. It just wasn't

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Speaker 2: With all that being said, why don't we take a

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Speaker 2: spin on the carousel. It's where everybody else is right now,

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Speaker 2: And of course the biggest domino was Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 2: Look, he left because he've used it as a more

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Speaker 1: As do I. And look, we're going to see Eric

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Speaker 1: We've seen coordinator stay Dan Lanning State at Georgia through

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Speaker 2: I'm not big on Pat Fitzgerald just in general, but

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Speaker 1: All of them. These are all big places making big moves,

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Speaker 2: any bearing on what John Sumral is going to be.

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Speaker 2: And John Sumrall, much like his predecessor Billy Napier, was

435
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Speaker 2: very much in demand this coaching cycle. There were a

436
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: bunch of schools that wanted John Somemrall. Auburn thought they

437
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: had John Sumrall if not for what went down with

438
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin taking LSU and the Dominoes sort of leading

439
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: some Roll to Florida. So it wasn't just Auburn. It

440
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: wasn't just like Arkansas. There were a bunch of schools

441
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: that thought they might have a shot at some Rall,

442
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: including oh Miss, if Lane Kiffin left with like an

443
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: appropriate amount of time to make it happen. Like there

444
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: have been conversations all throughout the South about John some Roll.

445
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: So it doesn't surprise me that and it shouldn't surprise

446
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: Florida people that they would be quick to make him

447
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: the guy, even despite the experience they just had with

448
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: Billy Napier. These are two different dudes.

449
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Speaker 1: They are, And the question is, you know, does coaching

450
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: in the Sun Belt as a head coach adequately prepare

451
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: you to take over a major place like Florida.

452
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Speaker 2: I get it. And look, he's he was in the

453
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Speaker 2: Sun Belt with Troy, He's been in the American with Tulane,

454
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Speaker 2: and it feels to me like this is just a

455
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: much different situation. I do not think it is apples

456
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Speaker 2: to apples. I think he is better prepared to step

457
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: into this role, and even more so, he's going to

458
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: have the benefit of what went down with Billy Napier,

459
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Speaker 2: knowing what the pitfalls were, hopefully being smart enough to

460
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Speaker 2: know what the pitfalls were.

461
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Speaker 1: When he's interviewed and asked, will you hire an offensive Cordner,

462
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Speaker 1: He'll say yes, yeah, okay, I.

463
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Speaker 2: Can do that for sure, for sure. So look to

464
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: the extent that anybody can like these hires. Jen Sumroll

465
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: is very much in demand. So I get it. I'm

466
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: with you on the Alex Golsh thing. By the way

467
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: at Auburn.

468
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Oh, that makes me think he's an immediate failure.

469
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know what I like about

470
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 2: gole Ash He's got a little bit of a screw loose. Yeah,

471
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: got a little bit of a screw loose, like all

472
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: these guys do to some extent. But Golesh is like

473
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: the crazy dude in the fight that you do not

474
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: want to be up against. And I think that plays

475
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: really well at a place like Auburn.

476
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Speaker 1: I don't see I feel like there their personalities from there,

477
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: the personalities from their recent coaches hasn't really been that.

478
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: Like Gus Malzan doesn't strike me as that does he No.

479
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no no no no no no no. But I'm

480
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: like saying, in in this era of SEC football, I

481
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: think you need a guy with some was one of

482
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: the Auburn players himself has said they need a guy

483
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: with some dog in him.

484
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is gole ash man. That is brow skolish

485
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: is okay. I that's that's good by me. The Jonathan

486
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: Smith thing wasn't surprising just because it did seem that.

487
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they had a ton of injuries this year

488
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: and two years I think traditionally speaking, doesn't feel like

489
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: enough time. But obviously in the portal era, when you

490
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: can remake your roster and you know if you have

491
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: the support you if everybody shares your vision is willing

492
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Speaker 1: to execute on your vision. But ultimately, he was the

493
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Speaker 1: guy who hired everybody in this program, right, He's the

494
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: guy who hired the assistance and you know how to say,

495
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: and who was going to be running things behind the scenes,

496
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: and it just it didn't work. And so it does

497
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: feel like this is more than just football, Like something

498
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: behind the scenes said that, like, this is not our guy.

499
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how you reportedly move on to

500
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: Pat Fitzgerald as somebody who is a better fit in

501
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five to say, like, here is somebody who

502
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: is going to be aggressive. Here is somebody who is

503
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: savvy with regard to you know, building out a roster

504
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: through the portal and has connections in a way that

505
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Speaker 1: we can build out this roster to compete with you know,

506
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: Michigan and Ohio State and whatever whatever Penn State does

507
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: when they hire a coach in June and Oregon and Indiana.

508
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: I just his name would not be at the top

509
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: of my list as like the modern savvy, electric personality

510
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: to drag Michigan State kicking and screaming into the modern era.

511
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: I just I think he was a product of a

512
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: fortuitous divisional situation in the Big Ten and did a

513
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: really nice job hiring and keeping Mike Hankwitz calling that

514
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: defense and you know, found really good dudes in the

515
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: trenches and on defense to help build a defense that

516
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: was able to beat Purdue and Illinois and you know,

517
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: sometimes Iowa. But I don't know, it just felt like

518
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: they cast a net that didn't go beyond Pat Fitzgerald.

519
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean they went spearfishing instead of of Penn State's

520
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: been doing, which is, you know, using a deluxe fisherman's

521
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: net to try and talk to everybody. Yeah, I mean

522
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: at this point, Penn State might hire a coach from Serbia,

523
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: like they talk about overseas. I'll talk about that in

524
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: the second where I'm leaning on that front. But I'm

525
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: not into the Pat Fitzgerald hire either. And I've never

526
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: been a Fitzgerald guy. And I understand that there is

527
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: an allure given what he did at Northwestern, and that's

528
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: viewed as being transformational in some sense. Clearly he was

529
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: in good with the big money men at Northwestern and

530
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: there was a deep respect for him, you know, separate

531
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: from whatever went down on the legal side of things.

532
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: I mean, there were a lot of people who were

533
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: very high on Pat Fitzgerald, and so when his name

534
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: started bubbling up as wanting to get back in the

535
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: coaching game, it seems to me like there was a

536
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: lot of interest in him. I mean, I think there

537
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: were conversations with Penn State. I think he cast a

538
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: wide net himself to try and see where he might

539
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: fit in. So in terms of the style of football

540
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: that I think he likes to play, which is very physical,

541
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: sort of aggressive defense first football, I think that can

542
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: play well at a place like in Michigan State. My

543
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: concern with what it looks like longer term is what

544
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: is that offense going to be sure? Who is going

545
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: to be his offensive coordinator because it seems like that

546
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: side of the ball only worked well at Northwestern when

547
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: he had a really good quarterback who can run and

548
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: he had a running back who could fill in the gaps.

549
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: This is never an electric passing team or anything like

550
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: that under Pat Fitzgerald. So if he wants to line

551
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: up and play that physical brand of football, I need

552
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: to know more about who your quarterback's going to be

553
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: and need to know what you're going to do up

554
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: front along the line, who your running back is going

555
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: to be and who is going to set the identity

556
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: for this offense. He went two to fourteen in the

557
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Big Ten his final two seasons. I'm going to reserve

558
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: judgment until I find out some of the other pieces

559
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: that he is adding. But I understand the allure. I

560
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: don't think it's a terrible fit, but I do need

561
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: more information before I'm willing to commit.

562
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Speaker 1: Okay, Bob Chesney's as good at UCLA.

563
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 2: Bob Chasney was very much in demand this cycle, and

564
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance that UCLA got the higher

565
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: of the cycle with Bobby Chaz Wow. I really like him.

566
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I really like him. He's young, he's been putting in

567
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: hard work. Everywhere he's been. He has done a good job.

568
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: I still remember when he took over at James Madison,

569
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: which was just two years ago, right that there was

570
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: this thought that there might be a bottoming out with

571
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti leaving taking a bunch of his players. It

572
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: was basically going to be a full reboot at James Madison.

573
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: James Madison, by the way, he's been very good at

574
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: hiring coaches. They've got a track record for being good

575
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: at this, and it seems as though they got another

576
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: guy in Bob Chesney who may not be Kurt Signetti,

577
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: but is like at least twenty five years younger something

578
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: like that. Then Kurt Signetti and you know, obviously has

579
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: some recent success to pull from. We'll see what happens

580
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: with JMU as they play their championship game this weekend.

581
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: They're about a three touchdown favorite. He's going to coach

582
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: that game from what I understand, But to what extent

583
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: he will be involved in the playoffs should they make

584
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: the playoffs. I have not seen any official word on that. Again,

585
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: this just sort of broke the wire shortly before we

586
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: hit record today.

587
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Silverfield at Arkansas, I'm.

588
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: Very mixed on this one.

589
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Okay, why I wonder.

590
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: What he brings to the table that some of the

591
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: other candidates I've heard do not. Okay, he has been

592
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: very good at building an offense. We have seen that

593
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: in his time at Memphis and this year. I think

594
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: the defense also took a bit of a step forward,

595
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: which is nice.

596
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: But yes, top fifty defense, top twenty offense per points

597
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: per drive.

598
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's an uphill battle at a

599
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: place like an Arkansas and even more so than Ryan Silverfield.

600
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: Much of my understanding of the Arkansas program is that

601
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: they are somewhat behind with regard to the other levers

602
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: of modern college football. Nil spend things of that.

603
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Nature, right, which is where Memphis was more advanced than

604
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: teams in the America.

605
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: It was because of the FedEx money that came in.

606
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: So I'm very mixed on silver Field. I feel like

607
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: they wanted Golesh, but Golesh took Auburn. Silver Field was

608
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: very much a name out there. Again, he had been

609
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: reported to take this job weeks ago. I don't know

610
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: if it's more of a silver Field thing for me

611
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: and why I'm blase on it, or if it's more

612
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: of an Arkansas thing. One or the other is spooking

613
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: me out a little bit about this move, and I'm

614
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 2: not fully on board with it.

615
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the only reason to uh to be

616
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: blase is at Arkansas you are going to need somebody

617
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: creative and energizing, right that like Arkansas can win football,

618
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to, you know, energize the money behind

619
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: the scenes in a way that it is in all ways,

620
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: which is you know, you should energize the money, right,

621
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: You should give reason to people with money to spend money,

622
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: and maybe a very specific vision in terms of like

623
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: what kind of systems you're going to be running and

624
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: not that Ryan Silverfield doesn't have that. It was not

625
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: a great ending to the Memphis season this year. I

626
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: think they lost their last three or three or five

627
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, as the schedule got.

628
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: More, they went out with a whimper. They really did.

629
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Speaker 1: But it's a tough conference, I guess. And he beat Arkansas,

630
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: So there's that at Memphis. Yeah, this is this feels

631
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: like the most TBD to me. To see what they

632
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: look like on the field, what his staff looks like,

633
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: what they do in the portal, what he can do

634
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: in terms of just a sales job. I think that that,

635
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: to me is going to be the intriguing thing here.

636
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned the Kentucky thing, you know, having

637
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: will Stein and Brian Hartline both have been quite successful

638
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: at huge places, and then the question just remains like

639
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: do you take a Kentucky job that has a pretty

640
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: clear ceiling like that? Is that seen as a destination

641
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: for either of these guys? Maybe for will Stein, you know,

642
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: from the area whatever, that can be a destination thing,

643
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: But when you look around the SEC and the same

644
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: can be said for Arkansas obviously. Is if you have

645
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: grand designs of coaching the biggest possible programs, can you

646
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: make a leap from Kentucky to that? Or if you

647
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: look at it as a destination, then you know, get

648
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: as much as you can, grab as many wins as

649
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: you can, have fun along the way, retire a legend.

650
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I yeah, I'm curious to see

651
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: the direction they go to because it doesn't seem like

652
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: a huge ceiling job. But I think they were ready

653
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: for something new, for sure.

654
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: I agree with that. So basically where we stand now,

655
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: a lot of these jobs filled up very quickly with

656
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: the news. Now that Bob Chesney has taken UCLA. There

657
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: are three Power four jobs that remain vacant. Cal still open. Yes,

658
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: it'll be Tosh Lupoy most likely. It seems Kentucky.

659
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Yep.

660
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: I've put all my money on will Stein. Okay, but

661
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: we'll see. And that leaves Penn State.

662
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, Dan Hawkins, come on down, dirt cutter, come

663
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: on down.

664
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: The natives are growing restless for a name here. Bill

665
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Parcells Is Bill Parcells still alive?

666
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: I hope so I believe he is. I'm googling, but

667
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: I believe he.

668
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: Is man to be one of the first teams to

669
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: jump aboard the carousel still alive and thank you. That's

670
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: good to hear.

671
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: Eighty four years old.

672
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: He should coach the Giants. Yea. To be one of

673
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: the first teams to throw their hat in the ring

674
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: and to now be what feels like left without a

675
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: chair when the music stops, that is a bit disheartening.

676
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: I know that Penn State met with Bob Chesney and

677
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: talked to him a couple of times, and I know

678
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Bob Chesney, from what I have heard, would have walked

679
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: over hot coals to get this Penn State job. He's

680
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: from central Pennsylvania from about an hour and a half away,

681
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: obviously knows the area, has been coaching in this part

682
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: of the country for the entire day of his career.

683
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: So the fact that they didn't go after Chesney signals

684
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: to me that they had somebody a little higher up

685
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: on the perceived food chain that they are targeting. The

686
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: latest rumors are all surrounding Kalani Sataki at Buyu, which

687
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: is a name that started coming out of left field

688
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 2: a few days ago. It definitely caught me by surprise,

689
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: and I will admit when I first heard it, I

690
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: did not believe it at all. It just felt like

691
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: it was too random a name to come out of

692
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: nowhere and to be seriously considered for that Penn State job.

693
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: I feel like there is reel credibility behind those rumors, now, Okay.

694
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: I have been kicking some of my own tires to

695
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: try and figure out is there any real validity to

696
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: these And I've seen other people talk about I know,

697
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: I like Liam Over at Barstool was talking about it,

698
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: and Matt Brown, our friend Matt Brown was posting about

699
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: it a little bit.

700
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: Does Terry Pagoula pick up your calls? Is that somebody

701
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: that you're you're interact with?

702
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish.

703
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: No, I know Rack Daddy doesn't pick up the tie calls.

704
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I know Matt was posting a little bit about

705
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: this as well. But Kalani Sataki is a very good

706
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: football coach. He is a very good football coach, and

707
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: as you said to me earlier today, you don't win

708
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: that many games by accident. He is a revered figure

709
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: in the BYU community, and so for sure, as some

710
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: of these rumors have started to bubble up. Many folks

711
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: on the BYU side of things have been in a

712
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: full blown panic because they want to keep Kalani Sataki

713
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: at all costs. He is viewed as sort of like

714
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: this large than life figure. He is a treasure within

715
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 2: the BYU universe, which I mean.

716
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: He's literally larger than life. He's a big dude. He's

717
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: a big dude. He's got to start ordering those Paul

718
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Chris pullovers. Yeah.

719
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: So this is not me reporting that Kialani Sataki is

720
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: going to be the guy. This is me just saying

721
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: that based on a little bit of my own research,

722
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: I have plenty of reason to believe that there is

723
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: a lot of truth to the rumors that we have seen,

724
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: and it isn't just some random stuff that popped up

725
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: at two am on a message board. Sure where it

726
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: goes from here that remains to be seen. Would it

727
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: be a fit in State college. We can have that

728
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: discussion if and when he gets to stay college. I

729
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: don't want to get too far out over my skis,

730
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: but among the names that seem to be connected to

731
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: the Penn State job, this is the one right now

732
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: that feels to me like it's got the most validity.

733
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't happen, there's my GUNDI like, there

734
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: are guys out there, there are names, there are there

735
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: are I would I have warmed to the idea.

736
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: Of Kilani Sataki. I will say that. Okay, he has

737
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: always preached the value in staying humble and hungry. I

738
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: think it's his mantra. Okay that very much would would

739
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: play well, very much would be a fit in state college.

740
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: He has constantly been in this position where idiots like

741
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: you and I look at the BYU program and we say, wow,

742
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: it can't be any better than they were last year.

743
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: Look at this roster, especially this year. I mean I

744
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: was guilty of it. They lost Jake Retz left like

745
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: four days before the season, whatever it was. They've been

746
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: starting a true freshman and now they're on the precipice

747
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: of winning a conference championship and going to the playoff.

748
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: That stuff doesn't just happen by happenstance. He's been doing

749
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: it now for a decade at BYU. He's been very

750
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: good at getting more with what the rest of us

751
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: idiots out here would think is less. And so given

752
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: where Penn State has been with James Franklin, which is

753
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: not getting more with more. I understand the logic of

754
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: going after potentially a guy like a Sati who you

755
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: can look at his body of work and say, this

756
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: guy has found ways to just make it work. And

757
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: so if at the end of the day, Pat Kraft

758
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: decides I just want to go with the good football coach,

759
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: I understand that logic and I would support that, And

760
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: I like Kilani's talk. You have very much warmed to

761
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: him over the years as we've covered the sport and

762
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: recently now as I think his name has started to

763
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: be connected to Penn State.

764
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: But we'll see.

765
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

766
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: I wish I could find out at the end of

767
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: this cycle just how many raises Pat Kraft got various

768
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: coaches across America, like Sugar Daddy to the Stars Pat Kraft.

769
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: When Kalani Sataki signs a new deal in two days

770
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: with BYU, that is the concern.

771
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean, there have been so many names that have

772
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: been sent to me in connection to this job. I

773
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: don't believe that they're going to get Kaylen Deboor. There

774
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: might be a conversation, but I don't believe they're going

775
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: to get Kaylen Deboor. I believe some of the steam

776
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: that Lincoln Riley doesn't like USC and is looking for

777
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: ways out or some of his options. But I don't

778
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: honestly believe they're gonna end up with Lincoln Rally, and

779
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: I don't think Lincoln Riley be a great fit.

780
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: PJ. Fleck will take your money.

781
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't want PJ. Fleck. I really don't want to

782
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: deal with that. Okay, right, there are these all these

783
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: other names that have popped up. Chip Kelly, I don't

784
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: want Chip Kelly.

785
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Jimbo, No, come on, Dan West, Virginia is not far

786
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania. That's where's That's where he's from.

787
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: I guess, man, I'm just look I Josh Hipel's another

788
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: name that I saw floating around out there. I don't

789
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: buy that. I really don't.

790
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell doesn't seem interested. I don't know.

791
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what the deal is with Matt Campbell.

792
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I like Matt Campbell. I actually think that would be

793
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: a fine hire. But I think he just likes coaching

794
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: and name, and he likes coaching names.

795
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: I think he does.

796
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not much for promoting himself. I know that's

797
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: been a popular theory out there as well. But of

798
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: the names of the names that seem like they are

799
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: out there now in connection with Penn State, the final

800
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: three that I would probably posit if I were putting

801
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: money on any of these, And I am not necessarily

802
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: privy insider info, right, I think there. I think some

803
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: of the smoke around Sataki is real. I put him

804
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: in there. I would probably put Brian Dable in there,

805
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: and I would probably put Brian Hartline in there as

806
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: my final three. I think it'll be end up being

807
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: one of those three guys. But when that happens and

808
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: who it ends up being, your guests is as good

809
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: as mine.

810
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: To Sean Foster.

811
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: Right in solid Verbo at gmail dot com, let us

812
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: know what we got right, what we got wrong. We

813
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: would love to hear from you. Certainly, as some of

814
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: these other jobs are filled, we will do our part

815
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: to keep you abreast of the situation. It won't be

816
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: long before we start getting names for coordinators for some

817
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: of these new places. Sure it did see that. Like

818
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: Matt Ruhle, formerly my favorite to take the Penn Stage job,

819
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: he made a move at defensive coordinator that got rid

820
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: of John Butler, who formerly had some Penn State routes.

821
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 2: There is a whole circle going on here right now.

822
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: The carousel continues to spend do our part to try

823
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: and stay on top of it.

824
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh Man, the ball knowers in Lincoln, we're lecturing us

825
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: pre season about how John Butler was going to be

826
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: a big improvement over Tony White.

827
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: I know.

828
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so there you have it. I think that's

829
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: still gonna spin. Carousel is still spinning. There's fallout from

830
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: all of these hires, and Oregon might be out two coordinators.

831
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's all fascinating. And that's ahead of

832
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: like it's the final stretch for the playoff. It is

833
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: the final stretch of the playoff.

834
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Dan, Let's talk a little bit, and I do mean

835
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: a little bit because we don't have the official playoff

836
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: rankings right now, but let's talk a little bit about

837
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: where things stand for the college football playoffs. We do

838
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: have an Overballer top twelve poll for those who are interested.

839
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: It goes Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas, Tech, Oregon, Texas

840
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: A and M down to six, followed by Ole Miss

841
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 2: at seven, Alabama at eight, ahead of Oklahoma at nine. Okay, yeah,

842
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: Number ten, Notre Dame number eleven, BYU number twelve of

843
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: the Miami Hurricanes. In case you are interested, we've got

844
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt at thirteen. And because I think Arvar bowlers are

845
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: very keen on the G five schools, North Texas at fourteen,

846
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: JMU at fifteen, and Texas at number sixteen.

847
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: That's I think I would take Texas over James Madison. Well,

848
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, you never know. I think I would too,

849
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: but I think I would take Utah over North Texas

850
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: and James Madison, which you never know.

851
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: With ye, I am with you. Here is my question

852
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: to you, by the way, in case you're interested in

853
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: how that compares to the AP pole. They have Ohio State, Indiana,

854
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: Georgia one two three, Oregon up to four, Texas Tech

855
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: at five, Ole Miss at six. They dropped Texas A

856
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: and m four spots all the way down to number seven.

857
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: They've got Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Alabama BYU remaining unchanged, Miami

858
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: jumping up a spot to number twelve in that poll

859
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, there's a lot to discuss here.

860
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: This is all going to come to a head this

861
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: week when we have our conference championship games. There is

862
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: an outstanding question as to whether or not the committee

863
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: could or should punish or take some of the hot

864
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: air out of the Old Miss balloon as a result

865
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: of the coaching staff turney over, at least on the

866
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: offensive side. Right, we've Lane kiff and walking out, Charlie

867
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Junior taking his talents to baton Rouge as well. How

868
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: do we feel about where ole Miss is now relative

869
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: to their peers given the news of the day.

870
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't punish them. I wouldn't punish them. At the

871
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's players who play, it's players

872
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: who win. I understand the brain trust is now gone

873
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: and it's going to look different, But I didn't love

874
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: punishing Florida Satan. They lost their starting quarterback, and I

875
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: still didn't love punishing them there. I just I don't

876
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: see how you can There's so many variables in this sport. Obviously,

877
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: it's not an ideal position that Ole Miss finds themselves in,

878
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: even though their new full time coach is the interim

879
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: coach slash just the full time coach now in Pete Golding,

880
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: who we didn't really discuss in terms of taking over

881
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: that job, but I'm sure we'll have plenty of time

882
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: to I'm happy with them there. I'm happy with them seven.

883
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: I think no matter what I mean, they're not playing,

884
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be an eleven to one SEC team. They're

885
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoff no matter what. I guess your

886
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: question is, like, do you dock them? I don't think

887
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: you can dock them for something that is not in

888
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: the control of like the administration tried to keep him

889
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: even Lane Kiffen wanted to stay for the playoff, which

890
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: is kind of funny, but like, you can't dock ole Miss.

891
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe you can dock ole Miss anything, uh,

892
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: for things that have happened behind the scenes. When they're

893
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna field the same team.

894
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you. I think I'm with you.

895
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: I hate that set up when they punish the players

896
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: for the coach leaving. I understand a coach is a

897
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: valuable part of the team, but of course the players

898
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: are the ones making the plays.

899
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: The Alabama ahead of Oklahoma thing because they did recently

900
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: play and as many questions as I have about elements

901
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma on offense, Oklahoma beat them in Tuscal loose.

902
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a shot across the doubt the

903
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: for ballers the APD is I know, I know, but

904
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: our arver ballers did. Arver ballers have Oklahoma two spots

905
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: ahead of Alabama. I'm getting a little bit nervous on

906
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: the Notre Dame front. I'm a little bit nervous that

907
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: so much of this public pressure is going to start

908
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: to seep in to the playoff committee and they're going

909
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: to put Miami ahead of Notre Dame when we get

910
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: the latest batch of rankings, and is going to put

911
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: Notre Dame very much on the bubble. I think they're

912
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: very much on the bubble as it is right now.

913
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Depending on what goes down this weekend, we're in line

914
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: for I think at least two outside the top ten

915
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: right grabbing playoff spots. If BYU were to pull an

916
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: upset and knock off Texas Tech, that would be the

917
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: death knell for Notre Dame. By you would steal a bit,

918
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: I think.

919
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: You also, I don't know, man, if you're what, are

920
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: they going to be eleven in one or they are

921
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: eleven and one, potentially twelve and one or eleven in two.

922
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: And we haven't seen, you know, a large sample size

923
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: of how the Committee's going to react to conference championship games.

924
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: But SMU still made it in despite their their close

925
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: loss last year to Clemson. It's been an awful long

926
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: time of keeping BYU this low. I know that it

927
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: does feel like, you know, they haven't had the most

928
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: control over teams all of the time. No, they didn't

929
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: control the game against Texas Tech at all. I would

930
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: also hold their non conference schedule against them. But also

931
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: like they went eleven in one of the Big twelve,

932
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: like they beat legit teams up right, and I just

933
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: they're a pretty complete, really good team, and I just

934
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: don't think what they've shown on the field has them,

935
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, this, consistently behind teams with two losses in

936
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: other major conferences. So I wouldn't hate putting BYU in

937
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: the like eight nine you know eight nine region right

938
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: and there, because at a certain point they just think

939
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: wain a ton of games. The Notre Dame Miami thing

940
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: is interesting, But if you're going to keep Notre Dame

941
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: above Miami last week and Miami destroys Pitt, a team

942
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: that Notre Dame also destroyed, it's not a clear vaulting

943
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: data point for Miami necessarily.

944
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: No, and with SMU losing that doesn't help the quality

945
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: of the loss, doesn't help the quality of the loss.

946
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: I just like part of this is just me being

947
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: a nervous fan.

948
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: I are you.

949
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: I think, if you're looking at it logically, the time

950
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: to move Notre Dame more on the outside looking in.

951
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they were always going to be in this

952
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: playoff conversation until the very end. But if they wanted

953
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: to bump Notre Dame down another rung, the time to

954
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: do that would have been last week after Alabama loss. Now,

955
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: with Alabama winning over Auburn and the Iron Bowl, maybe

956
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: that will give the playoff committee another opportunity to do that.

957
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see what happens if Alabama were to

958
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: go and beat Georgia again. What would that mean for

959
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. So I just I think they're in very

960
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: uncertain territory. There's a reason as a fan, and I

961
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: am saying this only as a fan, not as somebody

962
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: who does this show. The reason that I was rooting

963
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: against Oklahoma was because Oklahoma losing would have kicked them

964
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: out of the way. It would have given Notre Dame

965
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more breathing room to get them on

966
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 2: I think more stable ground. But as it stands right now,

967
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: I'm not fully convinced that Notre Dame is a sure

968
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: thing to get in there.

969
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: But on what grounds? At this point? I understand the

970
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: grounds if you like Miami over Notre Dame. Like, right,

971
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: they played Miami one. The case against Notre Dame, yeah,

972
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: I think you make that case two three weeks ago,

973
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: but like they both throttled Stanford, right they did. They

974
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: both throttled Stanford, so you have even data points there.

975
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: I said this to you earlier. The broader case against

976
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is not a crazy one, right that they

977
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: played essentially three teams of compar talent and with comparable

978
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: goals in USC, Texas A and m and Miami, and

979
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: they lost to two of them. And I think we

980
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: afford Notre Dame less leeway because they're in more control

981
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: of their schedule than others, and so you really have

982
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: to lock in on how they do against the best

983
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: teams in the most comparable teams, and Notre Dame does

984
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: not have a favorable case there. The case against Miami

985
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: is they haven't taken care of business against the sort

986
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: of upper middle part of their schedule, like Notre Dame

987
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: has and so if you talk about control since those

988
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: early losses, you should afford everybody an opportunity to improve

989
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: over the course of a season and sort of plant

990
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: a flag that they're not who they were earlier on

991
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: the best of Miami is as good as most teams

992
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: in this country, let alone playoff, right that, Like, they're

993
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: just better. You know, they're playing like a top eight

994
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: or nine team for sure at their best. The problem

995
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: therein is just like they had control over those SMU

996
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: Louisville games, they quite literally threw those games away. And

997
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: those are not excellent teams. Those are not good teams.

998
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: And so the case against Miami is a win in

999
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: August is not the same as a win in October

1000
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: and November. So I still think I would have Notre

1001
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: Dame over Miami because they've shown themselves to be in

1002
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: more control against their schedule. They've been able to control

1003
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: what they can control in a way that Miami hasn't

1004
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: been able to in the last six seven weeks.

1005
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

1006
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: That's the case. But I don't have a strong argument

1007
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: against Miami in the playoff because to my eyes, they're

1008
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: very clearly of playoff caliber.

1009
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: Like I would like to see Miami in the playoff.

1010
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like to see them in the playoff at

1011
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: the expense of Notre Dame. But I believe Miami is

1012
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: one of the twelve best teams in the country, and

1013
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 2: I don't think that's that hot of a take, right

1014
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I would take Miami over a bunch of

1015
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: these teams right now. Yeah, I just don't know if

1016
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen for them. We're gonna They're probably gonna

1017
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: need some help. They certainly need YU to lose. They

1018
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: probably need a change of heart from the playoff committee.

1019
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: I think they'd need BYU to lose forty two to seven. Again,

1020
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: they would need BYU definitely to lose their game. I'm

1021
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: just not sure how much wiggle room there is in

1022
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: front of them at this point. Like if Alabama goes

1023
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: into a game against Georgia and they lose by twenty points,

1024
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: that could be grounds of kick Alabama out. But I

1025
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: think that's what they would need. They would need a

1026
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: loss by BYU. They would probably need a resounding loss

1027
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: by Alabama to give them some way to go up

1028
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: the standing. Certainly Ohio State and Indiana are going to

1029
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: go anywhere, right, you know, Georgia at this point I

1030
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: think is pretty squarely in this field. There's just not

1031
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: that much else that could go on that would vault

1032
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: them into that top ten, which again is where you

1033
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: need to get at least right now because of two

1034
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: teams coming from outside with whoever is going to win

1035
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: the G five rep that spot and whoever's going to

1036
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: win the ACC. The ACC thing is extremely interesting too,

1037
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 2: and we haven't really talked about this, but because of

1038
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: what went down on Saturday, the game is going to

1039
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: be Virginia against Duke. Duke right now is seven and five.

1040
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: They are not ranked, they probably won't be ranked. If

1041
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: Duke were to pull the upset and knock off Virginia.

1042
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: There is a very real possibility that there's going to

1043
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: be no rep from the ACC, that we're going to

1044
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: have an American winner, and then either James Madison or

1045
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: UNLV potentially from the Mountain West, worm their way into

1046
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: this playoff field. That would be something else. I mean,

1047
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: that would be a conversation probably its own show episode.

1048
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: But if you are looking at this, I think objectively,

1049
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: at this point, there is a very real possibility that

1050
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: the ACC could be left out completely if somehow, you know,

1051
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: Duke wins and Miami can't find a way to jump up.

1052
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, this is all your fault,

1053
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: my fault, not your fault. No, this is all your fault.

1054
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Like teams who had the ability and have shown the

1055
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: ability to look like a top twelve team. You know,

1056
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: it's an acc tiebreaker situation obviously, but it's not like

1057
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: Miami or whoever else you know is in the top

1058
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: twenty that feels like they should be jumping higher. I mean,

1059
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: I think we can both agree that like Texas, no thanks,

1060
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm just a no thanks on Texas, Like, congratulations on

1061
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: your win. It's a nice way to finish out the season,

1062
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: but you had it's it's Texas's own fault. They're not here.

1063
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: And I might even like, you know, kudos Texas for

1064
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, booking that Ohio State home and home. Don't

1065
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: lose to you know, a four and eight Florida team,

1066
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: like even in their wins, like did you come away

1067
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: from the Kentucky game, the Mississippi State game, the fourth

1068
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: quarter of the Vanderbilt win, like did you come away

1069
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: like be'st a playoff team right there? That's a playoff

1070
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: team right there? I mean I think did I think

1071
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: Texas is evolution.

1072
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: The second half the season has been a really nice

1073
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: story and arch Manning has definitely grown. I would not

1074
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: put them in the playoff. No, I don't think they're

1075
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: a playoff team. I think there are more deserving teams

1076
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: in front of them that should go in their place. Now.

1077
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: If all hell would have broken loose last week and

1078
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: we had a bunch of teams fall out of contention,

1079
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: then that's a conversation. That's a separate conversation. Sure, But

1080
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: as it stands right now, there are far too many

1081
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 2: really good, two lost teams that I think should go

1082
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: before Texas.

1083
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: But in two of their last three weeks they got

1084
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: to play playoff caliber teams. They beat a Texas A

1085
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: and M team that is legitimately very good, and they

1086
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: lost by twenty five after a bye week against the

1087
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: other one. I don't know, man Texas in control to

1088
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: see how well they can control and compete, and just

1089
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: thanks for an entertaining season. You're not of this caliber,

1090
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: is my opinion. And if Duke got in, or if

1091
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: Duke won the ACC and doesn't get in, like I

1092
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: don't know, it just kind of funny to me.

1093
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, is there a case for somebody like a Vandy

1094
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 2: to jump up?

1095
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: I think he'll see. I think Vandy has a good case. Look,

1096
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: but Vandy lost the head to head to Texas. I get.

1097
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: But Texas again has that third loss, and Vandy does

1098
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: not have a loss like Texas does, and again it's

1099
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: a great loss. Texas had to Ohio State. Texas has

1100
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: what a couple top ten wins. Vanderbilt was not in

1101
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: the is not in the top ten at the moment.

1102
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: But Vanderbilt, with what they've done against their schedule and

1103
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: the defenses they faced and how the offense has been

1104
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: this year, I think they're of top twelve caliber. Now,

1105
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: you have to look at the teams that are considered

1106
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: to be ranked on a certain level, like Missoo and

1107
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: Tennessee haven't beaten a team with a winning record, right, No,

1108
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: And they're like floating around being ranked or are like

1109
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five, and so like that's doing

1110
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: a lot of work for some of these teams. So

1111
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: I just prefer to look at like how they've performed

1112
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: against who they've played, And Vanderbilt has been very impressive,

1113
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: and so i'd hold them in highest team and wish

1114
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: we could see Diego pave in this playoff, though it

1115
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: seems like that's kind of a long shot. Dan, Before

1116
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: we go any further, before we close the book on

1117
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: this episode, of course, we invite over bowlers to chime

1118
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: in on this playoff conversation. Celibbgemail dot com, hit us

1119
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: up on social media. We would love to hear from

1120
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: me anywhere. You can leave a comment. All that stuff

1121
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: helps even if you disagree, as they say, don't be

1122
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: a dick, but you're more than welcome to disagree with

1123
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: us and offer your thoughts. We do read everything.

1124
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I did want to do a little bit of celebration.

1125
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: Uh oh, we don't have the rights, type, we.

1126
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: Don't have the rights.

1127
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: I cut it off at two seconds. We're good, Okay.

1128
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: Some teams that had really fun stories this year that

1129
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: maybe get lost in the shuffle. The fact that we're

1130
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: talking about coaches coming and going, we're talking about college

1131
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: football playoffs. There is a whole other universe out there,

1132
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four other teams that played FBS

1133
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: college football, and I pulled out a nice little collection

1134
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: of teams that I think deserve a little bit more conversation,

1135
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: if only because they took an enormous jump in some way,

1136
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: shape or form from twenty four to twenty twenty five,

1137
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: and in pretty much all of these cases, neither you

1138
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: nor I saw it coming.

1139
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you ready? I'm ready? North Texas unbelievable. North

1140
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: Texas lost his coach now to Oklahoma State.

1141
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: We didn't even mention that. I guess we mentioned that

1142
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: in passing. There's reporting to suggest that Drew Mestamaker may

1143
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: follow Eric Morris up to Oklahoma State.

1144
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: Maybe Caleb Hawkins.

1145
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, six and seven. Last year, they improved to the

1146
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: number one overall S and P plus offense. This season,

1147
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 2: you know how to score points drastically, drastically better on defense.

1148
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: They're going to play for a conference championship this weekend

1149
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: against Tulane.

1150
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: Yep, how about the game?

1151
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: How about the Virginia Cavaliers.

1152
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: Did the portal right, went heavy on defense, didn't play

1153
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: a big schedule, took advantage.

1154
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: Five and seven last season to ten and two this year,

1155
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: a five game leap for Tony Elliot. By the way,

1156
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: this is a very pivotal year for Tony Elliott. Now,

1157
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: if it didn't work, if it was five and seven. Again,

1158
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: it is a pretty good chance they're looking for a

1159
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: coach right now.

1160
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, sidebar, if you're a Virginia administrator,

1161
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: do not consider any prospective coach if their name is

1162
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: not Tony. After the success this year of Tony Elliott,

1163
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: in previous success of Tony Bennett, and that could be

1164
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: a lady with Tony with an eye or you know,

1165
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: dude coaching Tony continue.

1166
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: Drastic improvements on both sides of the ball. They finished

1167
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: with the top twenty five defense.

1168
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: Yes they did.

1169
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: This one is fairly obvious. Texas Tech. Texas Tech was

1170
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: eight and five a year ago, or a fine team

1171
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: a year ago. Yep, took a jump this year. Number

1172
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: three overall in the sp plus, number two on offense,

1173
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: number four on defense. That is up from number fifty

1174
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: four overall, with the number twenty six offense and the

1175
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: number ninety five defense. This is per the sp plus.

1176
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: If you listen recording, If you listen to Texas Tech

1177
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: fans and you asked them, hey, what changed, they will

1178
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: say nothing, nothing change.

1179
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: We've had some interactions with the text Joey Maguire's culture

1180
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: finally taken hold. Can I ask a question about that.

1181
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: It is an unbelievable season. Texas Texas defense, especially upfront,

1182
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: a joy to watch this.

1183
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask a question about this. I think we've

1184
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: addressed this that nothing changed at various points throughout the year. Yeah,

1185
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: Why did Texas Tech fans view it as some sort

1186
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: of pejorative when we mentioned the fact that they spent

1187
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: in the portal and they used that infusion of talent

1188
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: to make the team better. Why do people view that

1189
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: as some sort of slight I think it makes Yeah,

1190
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: I gotta say every other team in college football is

1191
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: trying the same thing, and very few of them have

1192
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: been a successful like. If anything, I think that is

1193
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: a compliment that you targeted guys that you thought you

1194
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: could bring in ad depth. Again, none of it was

1195
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: really that sexy, but they knew they needed help in

1196
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: their defensive front seven. Just as an example, they went

1197
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: out they hired shield Wood away from Houston to bring

1198
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: him over on the defense. I mean, they made some

1199
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: really smart moves with how they attacked the transfer portal

1200
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: and how they hired you know, in this case, just

1201
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: one assistant coach. When we say these things, we're not

1202
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: saying it as if it is like some cover for

1203
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: a program that is in shambles, and they just got lucky.

1204
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: This was a very targeted build in the offseason. They

1205
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: used their money wisely. The guys that they brought over

1206
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: in large part have hit and have been very impactful

1207
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: as part of this playoff runt. So I don't understand

1208
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: why the Texas Tech fans have decided to chime in

1209
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 2: with some sort of hate as a result of us

1210
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: saying this. I think it's a great thing, and I

1211
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: mean it as a compliment. They were good at this

1212
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: when many of their peers simply were not full stop.

1213
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I can't speak for Texas Tech fans, but I imagine their

1214
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: viewpoint is, yes, but there are other things just beyond Sure, there.

1215
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: Are always other things, Dan well, they're paying always other things.

1216
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: They're paying shield would with a scholarship and experience, right

1217
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: job experience, and not paying them with money. Sure, no,

1218
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: I get it. It makes you feel cheap, right if

1219
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: somebody is just like you're just buying wins, It does

1220
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: make you feel cheap.

1221
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: Cheap. Now, the whole thing is cheap. Everything is cheap.

1222
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: Get used to it.

1223
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: I know. I imagine there is sensitivity because it there

1224
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: is an implication that it devalues what they're able to

1225
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: accomplish on the field.

1226
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying get over it, get over it.

1227
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: I agree, because you know what, the winds taste better

1228
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: if you go to the final four.

1229
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, after having like the ninety fifth best defense a

1230
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: year ago, and it took some spend and some money

1231
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: from Goate Campbell to get you there, who gives a

1232
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: fly in f.

1233
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I happen to agreece again, they haven't

1234
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: finished ranked. This is the first year they've they're going

1235
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: to finish ranked in the A people since like two

1236
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: thousand and nine.

1237
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: Nice are out of your minds. I take it in

1238
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: a heartbeat.

1239
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: Well, I also think it is like just how publicly

1240
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: it all seemed to go down with go T Campbell,

1241
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,479
Speaker 1: right that he's in commercials and you know, he's making

1242
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: a big deal of the whole thing, and he's on

1243
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: Twitter or x the everything app everything, And I don't know,

1244
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: you're just going to get more attention from it because

1245
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: of how well it worked, And so I just imagine

1246
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: Texas tech fans don't want the only spotlight to be

1247
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: on the portal. But also, you know what they've done

1248
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: on offense, what Baron Morton has accomplished in his growth

1249
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: like that, Joey maguire has largely been pretty good and

1250
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: has won big games before a Texas Tech, and he's

1251
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: just doing more of it this season. But like it's

1252
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: just it is, you know, a good part of the story.

1253
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: It's a huge part of the story. They got big.

1254
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: This was not the only reason they got better. It

1255
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: wasn't It was not the only reason they got better.

1256
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: But they were smart with how they attacked the portal.

1257
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: It made them better very quickly in a way that

1258
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: in previous years it would have taken years to get

1259
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: to this point. High school recruiting and pounding the pavement

1260
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 2: and you know, you have a pass to cut the

1261
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: line now if you're smart about it. And they were

1262
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: smart about it and it worked, and good for them.

1263
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for them.

1264
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: Also, the conference got easier. Hey, there's a little bit

1265
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: Kennesaw State Dan, Yeah, two and ten a.

1266
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: Year ago they are playing for a conference championship. Yeah,

1267
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: they d a little bit from two and ten to

1268
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: nine and three. They got rid of the old coach.

1269
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: They brought over Jerry Mack, who I seem to remember

1270
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 2: saying in the preseason that I liked a lot. They're

1271
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: over under was three and a half three and a

1272
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: half going into the year. They eclipsed that total far

1273
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: and away, finishing with nine wins. So whether or not

1274
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: they win the conferences beside the point. This is a

1275
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: huge jump in a really good season for Kennesaw and

1276
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: I believe just their second year at the FBS level.

1277
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: So kudos to them. Man, what a jump.

1278
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe perhaps the Owl of the year.

1279
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: It could be the Owl of there. Yeah. Absolutely.

1280
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: They did just lose to Jacksonville State, who they're playing

1281
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: once again back on the road, going to Alabama. But yeah,

1282
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: it should be a good game. It should be a

1283
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: nice back and forth. These they are not two perfect teams.

1284
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: They are not two perfect teams. Kennesaw is only a

1285
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: point and a half underdog on the road at Jacksonville State,

1286
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: so Vegas Jesus is a very close game. Another two

1287
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: and ten team a year ago was Mississippi State. They

1288
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: jumped up the five and seven. You can look at five

1289
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: and seven, you can say, yeh, I'm not going to

1290
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: bowl whatever. This is a Mississippi State team that was

1291
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: in a lot of games, not all of their games,

1292
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: but they were feisty. Yep, every game that I watched

1293
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: in Mississippi State, even if they were losing by twenty,

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Speaker 2: they were playing whistle to whistle. And they took a

1295
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Speaker 2: big jump up, especially on offense. We started see a

1296
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Speaker 2: little bit of that Jeff Levee offense that Jeff Leby

1297
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: influence working its magic. Saw a big jump up on offense.

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Speaker 2: It helped that they had blake shape and healthy, obviously,

1299
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: but I was a big fan of what they built

1300
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Speaker 2: Atssissippi State this year, and I hope it continues. They're

1301
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: always going to have a bit of an uphill climb

1302
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: in the SEC that goes for everybody, but I think

1303
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: there are positive results based on what we saw so

1304
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: far this year.

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: Yes, So on offense, Mississippi State jumped up from where

1306
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: they were last season, which is what you just mentioned.

1307
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: And on defense they it was a more dramatic leap

1308
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: up because they were pretty catastrophically bad on defense at

1309
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. They made a really nice move which

1310
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: is why they were more competitive in those you know,

1311
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: Tennessee overtime game, Texas overtime game. They beat the Big Twelve,

1312
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: the defending Big Twelve champs, early on in the season. Yeah,

1313
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: so it wasn't the most competitive egg Bowl, but all

1314
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: the same, a really nice jump from year one to

1315
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: year two for Jeff Levy Vanderbilt.

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, Vandy was the story of the year a

1317
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: year ago twenty twenty four for beating Alabama Daego Pavia

1318
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: coming over from New Mexico State, Right, I mean that

1319
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 2: was that captured the imagination of all the college football

1320
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: hipsters and then what did they do? The conversation in

1321
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: the preseason about Vanderbilt was as well, can they get

1322
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, look at the schedule. Schedules could

1323
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: be harder, Expectations are going to be a little bit higher.

1324
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 2: There's no way they can surpass what they did a

1325
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: year ago. That might be the high water mark. We

1326
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 2: just talked about Vandy about being a fringe playoff team. Man,

1327
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: they are good. They are a ten and two team. Again,

1328
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: we saw big jumps on both sides of the ball.

1329
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: They're over under to the point was just five and

1330
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,959
Speaker 2: a half. So there was a lot of skepticism about

1331
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: the Vanderbilt commodors this here, but I don't know what

1332
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: the season is going to bring them. The rest of

1333
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 2: the way. I don't know if they're going to find

1334
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: some way into the playoff. If nothing more, they're going

1335
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 2: to be in a nice bowl game, and Diego Pavia

1336
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: probably goes to New York. But I don't see how

1337
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: in any universe we can't celebrate what Vandy did this season.

1338
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, just a terrific year for Vanderbilt. We've celebrated

1339
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: Diego Pavia, We've celebrated this offense and at times, you know,

1340
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: the defense. There were down moments for the defense, but

1341
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: certainly one that kept them in enough games to get

1342
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: them to double digit win. Vanderbilt, let me.

1343
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: Give you three, please, power four teams, and then I'm

1344
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: going to give you four group of five teams. Five

1345
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: group of five teams, and I want you to react

1346
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 2: to these and tell me who jumps out to most.

1347
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: Of you, please.

1348
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: Arizona went from four and eight to nine and three.

1349
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: M Houston also went from four and eight to nine

1350
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: and three, and wake Forest went from four and eight

1351
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 2: to eight and four.

1352
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, throw all your money at defensive players in the

1353
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: portal as many bites out of the defensive apple. If

1354
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: you're going to look at those improvements specifically, Arizona jumped

1355
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: up huge and also that was you know the development

1356
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: of play already there, but they reinforced with depth and

1357
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: just they added a ton there. They made a big

1358
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator higher and Danny Gonzalez wake Forest. Obviously,

1359
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: Jake Dickart's background is on defense that at times, you know,

1360
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: maybe not the Florida State game, but at times looked

1361
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: like a really formidable defense at least for a year one,

1362
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: given where they were, I think that's the lesson there, man, like,

1363
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: if you need to get better quickly, even you know,

1364
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: Mississippi State threw a lot at defense. Yeah they were.

1365
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: I believe Misssippi State ended the season as the SEC's

1366
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: most improved defense.

1367
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

1368
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I think.

1369
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: Defense wins championships as it goes. Yep, we had Old

1370
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: Dominion taking a jump from five to seven to nine

1371
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: and three big jumps on both sides of the ball.

1372
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: They finished the year or winning five games. New Mexico

1373
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: You're beautiful, beautiful Lobos they were five and seven, also

1374
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: took ad jump up to nine and three. They were

1375
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: involved in that four way tiebreaker in the Mountain West,

1376
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: but Man did not make it in which is a

1377
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: bummer for you.

1378
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: Thanks to Bill ko Only's sp plus playing a role

1379
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: even though they just I think UNLV lost to both

1380
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: of the teams that they played in this tiebreaker, but

1381
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: ended up because who was the emperor in a ingladiator

1382
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: as a commedists commedists, Yeah, doing the thumbs up thumbs

1383
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: down thing, Bill Connolly thumbs down on the lowbos apparently.

1384
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh well. San Diego State also took a pretty big

1385
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 2: jump three and nine to nine and three. They finished

1386
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 2: number one in the country on special teams.

1387
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: In addition hidden yards they finished number three in the

1388
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: number three in the country between behind Ohio State and

1389
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I shouldn't they finished going into the final

1390
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: week of the season. The numbers haven't updated yet, but

1391
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: they will finish as like a top six or seven

1392
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: defense nationally. Crazy against FBS team's defensive scoring efficiency.

1393
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about Missouri State going seven and five in

1394
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 2: their first season of FBS. It's great, really strong and

1395
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: last but not least we mentioned it earlier James Madison

1396
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: James made since eight and four years ago. A year ago.

1397
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: They finished the year regular season anyway at eleven and one.

1398
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 2: Of course they did so well, they're going to lose

1399
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: their coach to UCLA. But they do have a game

1400
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 2: this week playing for the Sun Belt Championship against Detroy Trojans.

1401
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: I believe they're about a twenty one point favorite something

1402
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: in that neighborhood Dan. Should they win, there would be

1403
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: an opportunity for them to go to the playoff, maybe

1404
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: depending on how things shake out otherwise, especially in that

1405
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 2: acc game with Duke. If Duke were to win, that

1406
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: I think would open up the floodgates for JMU. Or

1407
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 2: if the committee when they released their next batch of rankings,

1408
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: they have seemed to favor the whoever wins out of

1409
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: the American But if they have a change of heart

1410
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: they decide that they want to put JMU, give them

1411
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: a little bit of love. Maybe we could be talking

1412
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 2: about something else.

1413
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 1: So we're basically saying the Dukes are counting on Duke.

1414
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: That's right, the Dukes are counting on Duke and JMU.

1415
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: I assumed they're just going to hire Lee Highst coach

1416
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: right path Hi with Kevin Cahill, Come down, Come on down.

1417
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: Those are the teams that impress me very very quickly,

1418
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: and then we're going to let these people go early

1419
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: for special Here is what your schedule looks like with

1420
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 2: regard to all of the conference championship games this weekend.

1421
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: We will preview these in a little bit more detail

1422
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: on our next episode. We've got four games on Friday,

1423
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: We've got five games on Saturday. The games on Friday

1424
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 2: are all G five games. We've got the Conference USA

1425
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: Championship Kennesaw State at Jacksonville State, which we mentioned. We've

1426
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: got the Sun Belt Championship at seven pm on Friday

1427
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,520
Speaker 2: night between Troy and JMU. We've got the American Championship

1428
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: at eight pm on ABC between North Texas and Tulane,

1429
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: a big stage for these teams, both of whom have

1430
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: lost their coach to bigger schools. Right now, Tulane favored

1431
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: by about three points. And then to close things out

1432
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 2: on Friday night, this is an eight pm or on Fox.

1433
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: It is UNLV at Boise State. UNLV is currently a

1434
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: three and a half point underdog Dan Rubinstein.

1435
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 1: It's actually going to be a pretty terrific weekend.

1436
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: And then on Saturday, we've got BYU at Texas Tech.

1437
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: That one's at noon. We've also got the MAC Championship.

1438
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: That's the only G five game that's going to be

1439
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: played on Saturday, also at noon, Miami Ohio at Western

1440
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 2: Michigan defensive slugfest, by the way, No, indeed. Then to

1441
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 2: round out the weekend, we've got Georgia a point and

1442
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: a half favorite against Alabama, and the SEC game, we've

1443
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: got Duke about a field goal underdog scoring off against Virginia.

1444
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: They play that one in Charlotte. And then the Big One,

1445
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: Number one versus Number two, the only two unbeaten teams

1446
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: in FBS college football. It's going to be number one

1447
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 2: Ohio State about a six point favorite squaring off against

1448
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: Indiana in Indianapolis. Dan, So maybe a little bit of

1449
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: a home crowd situation for Indiana.

1450
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: That's true, I would assume so. But you know Ohio

1451
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:55,919
Speaker 1: State travels.

1452
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 2: They do travel. I like a lot of scarlet and

1453
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 2: gray out there.

1454
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of Bill Connolly, I liked that he called the

1455
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,520
Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game potentially a practice shot for Indiana.

1456
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that. Just like, look,

1457
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough one. It's it's an uphill

1458
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: battle to take down Ohio State. No matter who you are.

1459
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: This this year's version of Ohio State, it seems. But

1460
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: you get to see something if you're gonna play him

1461
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: ahead of time, if you're gonna play him in the

1462
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: in the weeks to come, that maybe you can adjust

1463
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: to so tough to beat anybody twice if you're dealing

1464
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: with two quality teams, and there's at least that.

1465
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a very active weekend, to say the least,

1466
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: we would encourage everybody to make sure that they tune

1467
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: in at midnight. We will go live after that pairing

1468
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 2: of games, after we figure out who wins the seen

1469
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: the Big Ten, and we will recap everything. We are

1470
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 2: still putting together our schedule for Sunday. So in the past,

1471
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: what we have done is we have gone live at

1472
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 2: some point after they announced the playoff rankings, and you know,

1473
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 2: we've put together a show based on what the field

1474
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 2: looks like, what the pathways look like, etc. Etc. But

1475
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: last year was surely our first bite at that apple

1476
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to dissect all of this.

1477
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: I think we're a little bit smarter now, so we're

1478
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 2: gonna put planes together. We'll announce those on Thursday for

1479
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: what you can expect from us this weekend, But we

1480
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: want to make sure we stay on top of not

1481
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: only the Conference championship games. But once we know what

1482
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: that field of twelve looks like, we'll be here to

1483
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: make sure that you're up to date.

1484
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: My only parting message here. If you're listening from either

1485
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: the Coke Kyomega or I guess Delta Gamma House on

1486
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: the LSU campus, keep an eye on your dms right

1487
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: mind the dms you never know.

1488
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: You never know, You just never never know what it's gonna

1489
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: pop up in there. Now, for that guy over there,

1490
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilderbrand, thanks

1491
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 2: for downloading, for listening, for sporting what we do. Check

1492
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 2: us out at for bowlers dot com. In the meantime,

1493
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: you know the drill has always stay solid.

1494
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: Peace,