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Speaker 1: it's legit. I think there's a real chance. I know

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Speaker 1: for a fact there are teams that have him as

427
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Speaker 1: a top receiver in this draft, and it would not

428
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Speaker 1: shock me if he was the first one to go.

429
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Speaker 1: Well now, and looking at both of them and studying

430
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Speaker 1: both of them, I study both of them very very

431
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Speaker 1: closely over the weekend. UM. I think the big thing

432
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Speaker 1: for me with Calvin Ridley over DJ Moore, I just

433
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Speaker 1: believe route running matters, and I think he's a polishing,

434
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Speaker 1: more advanced route runner when it comes to what he

435
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Speaker 1: does against pressing, what he does at the top of

436
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Speaker 1: his route. I think his ability to separate against really

437
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 1: good corners UM is going to be a skill that

438
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 1: translates to the pros. DJ Moore is bigger, he is

439
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: more physical and faster UM time, but I just feel

440
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: like Calvin really is a little more explosive and I

441
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,679
Speaker 1: think in the right offense, he's gonna be dangerous. The

442
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Speaker 1: comparisons that I have for both players, Calvin really I

443
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Speaker 1: liken more to Reggie Wayne, like guy DJ More I

444
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: kind of compared to Davante Adams, and he's faster than

445
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Speaker 1: Davante Adams. But the way that he plays on tape

446
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of what the Packers receiver has

447
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: been able to do. Both very very good players. I

448
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: just lean more towards really over More. I can see

449
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Speaker 1: why there are some love in terms of More over

450
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Speaker 1: the other guys that come behind him. I just can't

451
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Speaker 1: give him the nod over Really a conversation though, good

452
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Speaker 1: chat in the meeting room though, because that's what happens

453
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Speaker 1: when when the numbers come back and we started looking

454
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Speaker 1: and you have coaches looking at the draft ward and

455
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Speaker 1: they're looking at the cord and those numbers. Those cards, Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: those cards are up on the wall. And that's why

457
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, when you're comparing guys, and that's that's

458
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Speaker 1: gonna come up. We'll hold up pounds heavier, he's faster

459
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: than he is, he's he's aller, you know, like all

460
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Speaker 1: that stuff like that's part of the discussion and the

461
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Speaker 1: debate that comes up in the room. So, um, look,

462
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Speaker 1: I have Calvin, I have I have at Ridley kirk

463
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Speaker 1: More is my order. Um, But I'm just saying that

464
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Speaker 1: there's buzzzz Well, I think I think those three are

465
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Speaker 1: definitely in the mix. Is funny because I went back

466
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Speaker 1: and a look at the courtless So I believe there

467
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: is a divide. Where does Sutton fall in for you?

468
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Speaker 1: You know, I gotta I gotta kind of read four

469
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Speaker 1: or five. Here's the thing like with bigger guys and

470
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Speaker 1: what the challenge in evaluating big guys in a spread offense.

471
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Speaker 1: You want to how much of what they do he's

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Speaker 1: going to translate into National Football League. He's kind of

473
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Speaker 1: a speed releaser, a one cut runner, that kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have a bit of a strider. Yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: how much success you can have? Um doesn't get a

476
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Speaker 1: lot of separation and his huge, huge catch readies, but

477
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Speaker 1: he also got shut down in some of the bigger

478
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Speaker 1: games like TC. You didn't have a great game. UM,

479
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Speaker 1: So we'll we'll see. I think someone has to like

480
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Speaker 1: but I think someone has to envision him as a

481
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Speaker 1: market's coasting type and make him a big slot receiver

482
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Speaker 1: as opposed to he's gonna play outside and be plexical bursts. Well,

483
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: that's interesting. One of these receivers are pretty fascinating. Uh,

484
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Speaker 1: next guy that I'm buying stocking and he is. He

485
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Speaker 1: is getting some steam. I got on this train a

486
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Speaker 1: little while ago with b J Hill, defensive tackle from

487
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Speaker 1: NC State bucket. Sounds like the more D line coaches

488
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Speaker 1: that work him out, the more the buzz is building. Um.

489
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Speaker 1: I believe he had a better three cone time than

490
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Speaker 1: than even Bradley Chubbed at his teammate at six and

491
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Speaker 1: six oh three two so over six three eleven pounds

492
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: ran four nine nine but good quickness. I think the

493
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Speaker 1: whole the whole feeling on b J. Hill was He's

494
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Speaker 1: going to be even a better pro than he was

495
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Speaker 1: in college. A lot of more of a disruptor than

496
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Speaker 1: a product. You guy, when you watch him, but the

497
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: traits that exist there, you can see it and you

498
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Speaker 1: can forecast in the future what this kid can be.

499
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Speaker 1: Rock solid, blue collar worker. UM, guy that is going

500
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Speaker 1: to win with his his his strength, his toughness, his

501
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: t nasty. You talk about not necessarily being a production

502
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: guy but a disruptive guy. Well, we all have seen

503
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: guys at the point of attack who can make things happen.

504
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: If you think about what Tim Jernigan does in Philadelphia

505
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: doesn't always reflect in the stat sheet, but his ability

506
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Speaker 1: to kind of be an irritant inside creates opportunities for others.

507
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Speaker 1: With b J. Hill, you're getting a player that is

508
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Speaker 1: like that, tough and physical at the point of attack,

509
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Speaker 1: and because of that, he can occupy blockers to allow

510
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Speaker 1: others to go make plays. And there's always a value

511
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Speaker 1: for that kind of player on the D line. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: he's Uh, he's somebody definitely keep an eye. Might haven't met.

513
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Speaker 1: I think forty two right now on my list. I

514
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna go early second round. Uh, there's definitely

515
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: definitely some some buzz on him. Give me another name here,

516
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: Rashan Evans, linebacker from Alabama. You know, like here, it's

517
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: so funny because everyone recognized that he's a really good player,

518
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: but we rarely talked he talked about. We rarely talked

519
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Speaker 1: about him as one of the top players in this

520
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Speaker 1: draft class. We talked about Rokuan Smith of the lot,

521
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Speaker 1: We've talked about Tremaine Edmonds a lot, but we haven't

522
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Speaker 1: talked about the big time playmaker from Alabama. What I

523
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Speaker 1: like about his game. I like the violence, the physicality,

524
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: and the instincts he is a grown man in between

525
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: the pipes. He does a great job of smack and

526
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Speaker 1: runners in the hole. He hasn't a little pass rushability

527
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Speaker 1: that is really not really discussed. This is a really,

528
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Speaker 1: really solid player we talked about at the bottom of

529
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Speaker 1: the first round or from fifteen to thirty two. You

530
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that you just hit the ball

531
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Speaker 1: in the fairway. I think he is a guy who

532
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Speaker 1: gets an opportunity hit it it right in the fairway to

533
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Speaker 1: continue to play. Yeah, I'm I'm a big fan of

534
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Speaker 1: his man. I go back. Sometimes it's just those one,

535
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Speaker 1: one or two players that stand out on a guy.

536
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Speaker 1: And when you watch him against Hunter Renfro in the

537
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Speaker 1: slot mirror and then break up a pass and I

538
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: see that at you know, he's almost six to two

539
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: thirty plus pounds and he can he can move like that,

540
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: and he's aggressive inside outside versatility. He's one of the

541
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Speaker 1: few guys that can actually attack and take on blocks

542
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Speaker 1: and get off I have as the nineteenth player in

543
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Speaker 1: this draft bucket. I'm I'm, I'm with you. Though, I

544
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: feel like we don't talk about him, and we don't.

545
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: He's been don't talk, we don't, we don't talk enough

546
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: about him. He's a really good player. He's I'm telling

547
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: you their holes where teams need to feel dead linebacker spot.

548
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: We talked about it into twenties. I think he's going

549
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: to go and then on draft and I would end

550
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: up having these great conversations about him when we should

551
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: have been discussing him the entire time. So, like you said,

552
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: the debate's Ben Smith versus Edmonds the whole time is

553
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: is Evans really solidified himself as that one Sea guy

554
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: right there behind him. Yeah, I mean, look, I have

555
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: those other two guys as top ten players, so actually

556
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Speaker 1: have real quand at number eleven, but he'll probably sneak

557
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: into the top ten before before my finalist comes out. Buck.

558
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: But um, he's not that, he's not that far off.

559
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Speaker 1: He's at nineteen. I think he's Trent thing up. I mean,

560
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance he's a top fifteen type player.

561
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Speaker 1: I think all three of those guys go on the

562
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Speaker 1: top fifteen. There's a legit chance. I mean, certainly, the

563
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: way it's looking, especially with the quarterback run other stuff,

564
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna be teams that are down there looking to

565
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: feel positions and get solid players. So yeah, we could

566
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Speaker 1: see three go in the top fifteen. I think also

567
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: it falls in the sweet spot where that position and

568
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: becomes a huge need right in the middle of the

569
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Speaker 1: first round board. No question. All right, let's stay at

570
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: that same school with Alabama. Last one here that I'm

571
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: buying some stockings Ronnie Harrison. But I you might think

572
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 1: this person is crazy, But I was talking to a

573
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: personnel executive the other day and said, uh, he said

574
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: he had Ronnie Harrison over Minka Fitzpatrick. I can see that,

575
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: and here here, here's what here's what's happening with Manka.

576
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: But we're talking about Harrison first and then we'll go

577
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: to make Harrison. His role is definable, and a lot

578
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: of times in drafting you want to hang your hat

579
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: on certainty. If I take this player, here's what he's

580
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: going to do for us. This is the production he's

581
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: going to bring. This is how he's going to impact

582
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: the game. When you're looking at a guy that is

583
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none,

584
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: you just don't know what you're gonna get if you

585
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: can't have a clear vision for how to play him.

586
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can see how Ronnie Harrison is doing it.

587
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: And also when it comes to Mika. Mika is a

588
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: very solid player, solid blue chip player. But when you

589
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: really dig into his game, what is the exceptional called Like,

590
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: what's the one thing that separations him from the other

591
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: guys at the top of the board? The versatilities there,

592
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: but no one believes that he's a pure corner um.

593
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: He's pegged as a safety, but it doesn't really play

594
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: in the post consistently, so you just don't know. It's

595
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: a little more subjective. Whereas Ronnie Harrison, we see him

596
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: line up in the same spot every play and he

597
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: has a very very good game. Yeah, it's uh, look,

598
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm still I know it seems like this this whole

599
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: trend around in the league is kind of moving away

600
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: from Minca that Minka is dropping and falling. I still

601
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: have him as a sixth best player in the draft.

602
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: I think he's in here. I think he brings a

603
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: lot to the table, especially when you can use him

604
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: as kind of that big nickel and be able to

605
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: blitz him and be able to use him as a

606
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: force player there. I like him in that role a lot.

607
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: I like the ability to be the high safety as well.

608
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: But I'm with you on some of the concerns saying

609
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: he does all these different things, but what does he

610
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: truly excel at? Whereas Ronnie Harrison, who I have right now.

611
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: I think I have Harrison. Let's see, I have him

612
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: as the thirty eight player, and he's going to go

613
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: in the first round, so he's gonna go higher than that.

614
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: He is a you can be him, line him up

615
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: as your box safety. He is an outstanding force player

616
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: and a physical tackler, reliable player against the run. He's smart,

617
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: he's tough, um and again, you just know exactly what

618
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be. You feel comfortable with him where his

619
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: floor is extremely high. Yeah, I mean I think I

620
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's easy. We talked. We talked about

621
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Speaker 1: the big thing that you want to do in the

622
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: first round, Like, yes, everyone wants to to home run,

623
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you can win

624
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of games hitting doubles. You just get a

625
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: bunch of solid players. He's a very very solid player.

626
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: You understand exactly what he brings. He's going to give

627
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: you the effort. He's gonna be tough, he's gonna be physical,

628
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: he can cover. Uh. I know, you got a little

629
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: beef of this, but I'm about to say it. He

630
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: checks off a lot of box. Yeah, did you see that?

631
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: A lot of box? He checks off a lot that

632
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: you guys have been Evidently I got heat on that

633
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: boxes now now it's just uh, it's just you d J. Yeah.

634
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: Somebody for those who know, somebody on Twitter said, can

635
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: you and all of your colleagues NFL network stop using

636
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: the phrase check the boxes. It's the most tired uh

637
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: cliche from the draft season. Please stop using it. Blah

638
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: blah blah. So I said, Okay, I'll tell you what.

639
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: I'll talk everybody else into not using it. Then I

640
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: get to use it all by myself, and then that's

641
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: why it's not overused, and I still get to say

642
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: it's a win. It takes a week of calling people

643
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: out and then we'll go away and maybe I don't know,

644
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: halfway through that next week, then you start saying it again,

645
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: and then I don't have a problem with check the boxes.

646
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't think it's a bad thing.

647
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: I think we're we were somebody just had a bad day.

648
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: They wanted to express that. All right, buck, let's go

649
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: through real quick here on some tight ends. Um, just

650
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: just a couple of thoughts on him, and then we'll

651
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: move on because I know we want to play some

652
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: prospect roulette on these quarterbacks. But the top tier of

653
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: tight ends for me, I have Hayden Hurst and Dallas Goddard.

654
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: Those are the two I have in my top fifty

655
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: right there. But I just finished up Ian Thomas from Indiana,

656
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: and I love I love his game. So if I

657
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: was gonna go tears of tight ends, Hayden Hursts from

658
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: South Carolina and Dallas Goddard. I think if Goddard was healthy,

659
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: he there's a chance he might even of leap frog Hurst,

660
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and I think there's still a chance he goes ahead

661
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: of him. But those two guys are clearly in my

662
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: top group. And then this next little clump here, this

663
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: would be a good clusterbuster for us on path to

664
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: the draft. Uh Gasecki from Penn State, Ian Thomas Chris

665
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: Herndon from Miami, who got hurt at the end of

666
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: the year. We don't hear a lot about him. That's

667
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: that next tier for me, Kasecki, Thomas Herndon. The one

668
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: that probably surprises some people that I don't have in

669
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: that second tier would be Mark Andrews. Um, who's you know,

670
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: look obviously is tested very well. You're down on Mr

671
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: Andrews from Oklahoma. I'm not a huge Andrews guy. You know,

672
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: like guys that kitch pop passes over to middlefield wide

673
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: open and then breaks out and then just kind of

674
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: brace for the hit or run out of bounds all

675
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know. Look, he's he's gonna go

676
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: much higher than I have him slotted. It's funny, that's

677
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: how I have Okay, so you're down on him, the

678
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: guy that um is right above him. Troy for mcgolic, Yeah,

679
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: I have a tendency to like I think, if you

680
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: go back and you look at the history of Wisconsin

681
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: tight ends, they somehow find a way to go come

682
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: back to own Daniels on me Owen Daniels. Uh, there

683
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: was a handful of them. They had a run of them,

684
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: and I can't remember because all the names are clouded together.

685
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: But um, they all have a tendency to be able

686
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: to play. Wasn't that aggression went to Oklahoma? Yeah, he

687
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: was there with he was there at Petersha. But I'm

688
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: talking about fo mcgalley from Wisconsin. Oh sorry, sorry, you

689
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: going to Wisconsin. What are the Wisconsin tight ends that

690
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about about, Owen Daniels, that's all one I

691
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: can think. Oh no, no, that was a handful of

692
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Now I gotta go on a computer. Great. Uh So, anyways,

693
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: you're you're a big fumagaly guy I got I think

694
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: he can he can line up. He's in that third

695
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: he's in the third tier from a third tier. You

696
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: got him way down. I got him in the third tier. Okay, yeah,

697
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: I know you don't like. We've got some blocking tight

698
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: ends a little bit later on down there too. You

699
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: can get the the Washington kid, will dis Lee Durham

700
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: Smith from Notre Dame, and then uh you've got Izzo

701
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: from Florida State and Wells from San Diego State. Actually,

702
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a decent number of Day three tight ends.

703
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: You've always talk but there's no blocking tight ends. There

704
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: actually are a few in this draft. There's four or

705
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: five of them you could find there on on day

706
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: number three. Yeah, that's why they're that's why they're Day

707
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: three as I can as they can put you. But

708
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: this kid, Ian Thomas from Indiana, man, I was a

709
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: big fan of his. I think he's second round talent.

710
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: He's really really gifted. He is really gifted. He showed

711
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: a Petisini bowl. Yeah, Lash and just I just got

712
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: a chance to dig in and finish up his tape.

713
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: But um, you know I have those two here we go,

714
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: oh and Daniels, Travis Beckham, Garrett Graham, and Lance Kendricks. Okay,

715
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: Lance Kendricks. But all those guys playing the league, Yeah,

716
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: come on, they play. Not all that fired up about

717
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: that list. To be totally honest with you, I'm just

718
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: saying I don't know if that's I don't know if

719
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: that's the argument you want to take into the draft room.

720
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: That's one of those ones like hey, you know, hey,

721
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: there's a there's a history of of productive guys and

722
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: you're like, really who And then you read that, Okay,

723
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: how high do we want to take? How what was

724
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: the other two? Give me that too, Gret Graham? Okay,

725
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: how how do I take this guy? Garrett Graham? What

726
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: do you think? Because I've compared Giziki to kind of

727
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: like a poor man's Jimmy Graham. But if we want

728
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: to take Garrett Graham and let's go ahead and do that,

729
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: Garrett Graham is at it remember Garret Graham. Garret Graham

730
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: was a safety. Um. All right, that's enough. Tight end

731
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: Travis Beckham was taking in the third round. I know

732
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: he did he do anything. I don't know the giants right,

733
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: he can't remember heard a little bit. I think you

734
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: were number nine. You were number nine at Wisconsin. I

735
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: think you might have injuries. I like those weird numbers,

736
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: big fan, three testdowns, three career touchdowns. We're gonna do

737
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: your guy a favorite there, defensive tackle single letter that.

738
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's not one of those guys. It's nice.

739
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh buck. I think we kind of

740
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: hammered the Josh Allen Pro Day thing on the ear

741
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: of the day. But just real quick, any takeaways, final

742
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: takeaways there, because we do have the three sixty coming up.

743
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: When is it, Josh Allen three sixty dropping sly Thursday,

744
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: Thursday Thursday, So be on the lookout for that. If

745
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: you haven't checked out the three sixty serious, we already

746
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: have Lamar Jackson, Derwin James. Those are both doing great. Uh.

747
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: People seem to really dig though, So if you haven't

748
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: checked those out, check those out. We talked to high

749
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: school coaches, college coaches. You know the whole deal. It's

750
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun episode. And the one on

751
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, We've got kind of a Thursday. A lot

752
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: of interesting insight on that one as well. But just

753
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: any final takeaway from that Pro Day buck me threw

754
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: the crap. I mean, I think I think you said

755
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: it all where there was on path or the Pro

756
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Pro Day show, you said, no one has taken a

757
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: avantage of the off season better than Josh Allen at

758
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: the quarter requisition, And in terms of a guy that

759
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: has really reversed or sent his stock kind of climbing,

760
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: he is being able to do it. We saw him

761
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl show up. We saw the athleticism

762
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: to arm talent played really well in the second half.

763
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: We saw him at the combine throw it all over

764
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: the yard, very very impressed with the way he spends it.

765
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: And then at a Pro Day same thing, being able

766
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: to spend it, being able to spend it on the move,

767
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: those are the things that were very very impressive. And

768
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: so the further we get away from the football season,

769
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: the better he looks in the eyes of scouts. And

770
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: so he's going to continue to take advantage of this

771
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: and he's going to work his way into the top

772
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: five as a prospect based on the way that he

773
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: has handled himself throughout this offseason and by the way

774
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: some of the discussion that we've had on the podcast here,

775
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: we've had it on Path to the Draft, and it

776
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: happens on Twitter daily. You've got there. There's no very

777
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: few people of the middle ground on Josh Allen. It

778
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: is here or zero. When you talk about the opinions,

779
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: they're all over the place. I can tell you from

780
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: talking to folks around the league the same conversations we're having,

781
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: they're having. Oh yeah, I mean the rooms are split.

782
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: The room, the room split. The guys that are all

783
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: in are all in on his development. Potential coaches can't

784
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: help themselves but become intoxicated by what he puts out

785
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: on the field. He's a big athletic dude who can

786
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: throw them out and you're always wondering if if I can,

787
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: just what would I have? And so Josh Allen will

788
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: benefit from that part, the intrigue behind his athleticism and talent.

789
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean you originally throughout this comparison, I took it

790
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: out like it's kind of like the Cam Newton factor, Like,

791
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: he has a lot of big time qualities that you

792
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: want to build around, but you just have to know

793
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: going in it's never going to look pretty over a

794
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: sixty minute game, but the flashes could be enough to

795
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: win a lot of games with him. Yeah, I came

796
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: down to the three t s just to kind of

797
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: some some of it up for Josh Allen. The talent.

798
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: You cannot deny the talent. There is still major concern

799
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: with the touch. Even though you saw you know, protein

800
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: shorts and that look great, but still talent is there.

801
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: That touches a concern and the keyest time he's going

802
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: to need time, So don't rush him out of the

803
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: field whoever takes him, and he is gonna go away

804
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: up there. So that's my my kind of my final

805
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: takeaway on Josh Allen. The talent is there, the touch

806
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: is a concern, and he's gonna need time. And so

807
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: here it comes down to it dove tails into something

808
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: that I wrote about in a notebook about kind of

809
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the evaluation period, and I think we had a nice

810
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: discussion on path where we talked about best player available

811
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: versus team need and as it pertains to the quarterback, Uh,

812
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: you and even coach Moore talked about look at most instance,

813
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: as you always take the best player available. You can't

814
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: go wrong taking the most talented player. However, quarterbacks are

815
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: viewed a little differently because if you're at the top

816
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: of the board and you don't have a quarterback and

817
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: there's a B plus quarterback, you have to take the

818
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: quarterback over the position player because it's the most important position.

819
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: You have to have a quarterback to really be a

820
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: consistent contender in the league. The issue that could arise,

821
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: particularly in the draft like this, you could have the

822
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: twenty eleven fact that where some guys talked themselves in

823
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: the guys that no one necessarily viewed them as top

824
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: guys based on what they saw in the fall. In

825
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, we saw Jake Locker blame Gabbert Christian Pond

826
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: to go in the first round, and if you go

827
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: back and look back, if you really did the study

828
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: of their collegiate careers off tape, we would say those

829
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: guys should not have been drafted where they were taken.

830
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: In this draft where we're hearing conversations of four quarterbacks

831
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: going in the top six, we just need to be

832
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: careful and make sure that we're ware that the guys

833
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: that we're talking about in that in that category, that

834
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: top five category, that those guys have enough qualities. That's

835
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: why that's why I use that same phrase, is it's

836
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: okay to elevate a player, do not create a player

837
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: where one doesn't exist. And that's what happened to Ponder

838
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: Gabbert Locker year. Those guys were not elevated a little bit,

839
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: they were created from thin air. And then so then

840
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: it's not only like where you take him. So then

841
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: you take him he's your quarterback, Can you elevate him? Yeah,

842
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: because if it's a situation where you look at the quarterback,

843
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: you let look, he's not going to make us necessarily better,

844
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: but he's really he has the potentially be a solid

845
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: starting quarterback if we're going to get him the stuff

846
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: that he needs to do it. We saw that in

847
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: l A. One year they're talking about golf being run

848
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Speaker 1: him out of town a bust. The next year, he's

849
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber player because they surrounded him with

850
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: the right stuff. So it's a collaborative effort front office

851
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: coaches to make sure you develop a guy, you take

852
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: a guy that that high you have a plan in

853
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: place to allow him to play at highlo. Let's play

854
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Speaker 1: a little quarterback roulette. I like that. Let's do let's go.

855
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: You got the topics, so you key up the topics,

856
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: spend the wheel, and let's go. All right, first, very

857
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: first topic, and before we dive in. We'll do this

858
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Speaker 1: throughout our throughout leading up to the draft. We'll do

859
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: it during our video show. We'll spend spend the prospect

860
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: for let will on wide receivers, running backs, but we'll

861
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Speaker 1: start off a quarterback. Spend the wheel. So let's spend

862
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: this thing. And I almost need a drum roll of

863
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: this thing. All right? We oh, all right? First, one quarterback,

864
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: uh down four two minute drive at their own thirty

865
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Speaker 1: thirty yard line. Go. You can have one quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this draft down for two minute driving their own thirty

867
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Speaker 1: Go buck oh Sam, Donald, I've seen it. I've seen

868
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: it happen too many times. That's how it happened versus Texas.

869
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: That's how it happened versus Jutah. So it happened in

870
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. I have enough visual evidence to know

871
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: that in a two minute situation, I can get the

872
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: ball at the same Donald, He'll find a way to

873
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: get it to the winner circle. Yeah, I'm I'm with you,

874
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: and all the reasons that you just said, I would

875
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: take Sam Donald in that situation. I've seen it done. Um.

876
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: The poise he has in those moments UM has been

877
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: outstanding through through a couple of years. There's a lot

878
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: of examples you just cited. UM to me is his

879
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: one of his key strengths is his ability to keep

880
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: his heart rate low. UM, which when you watch him,

881
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty evident. All right, let's go go another one.

882
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: We got all right, here we go, Sam Donald. This

883
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: this could be uh, Sam Donald too, another late game situation,

884
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: talking about keeping that heart rate down fourth and nine

885
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter. I got one go. The

886
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: biggest thing that you have to have in a situation

887
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: like this as a play call, that you have to

888
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: have someone who can always make you right. So I'm

889
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: gonna go with Lamar Jackson. Oh nice, because if I

890
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: call the wrong play, I can always tell them like, hey,

891
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: if you don't like it, take off. And sometimes those

892
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: takeoffs are seventy yard touchdowns. So Lamar Jackson on fourth

893
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: and nine, that is what I want to I want

894
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: to have that option that if I call the wrong play,

895
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: someone can make you right. Lamar Jackson is a guy

896
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: that can make you right. Wow. That's a good one.

897
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: I like that one, buck Um. A lot of different

898
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: places to go here. I think though, fourth and nine

899
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter. I think it comes down

900
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: to me between Baker and Donald um m hmm man,

901
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: that's tough. Fourth and nine late in the fourth quarter.

902
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: I like your Lamar Jackson take their I might go Baker.

903
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: I might go Baker because I do think Baker can

904
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: extend to play a little bit and create and make

905
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: something happen. I don't think he would do it with

906
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: his legs, but I think he'd be able to touch

907
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: it up and get me those nine yards. I'll go

908
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. What's the next one? Here? Oh, another late

909
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: game situation? Two point play to win the game? M

910
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: two point play? Buck uh Wow? Alright, So here, here's

911
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: where we can go. Because you always like to go

912
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: on visuals, and I think we have a visual of this, dude.

913
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Speaker 1: Do we have a visual against Tennessee or someone Baker? Yeah,

914
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: buying time. So I think I'm gonna go. I think

915
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that. I feel Baker. I've seen

916
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: games on the line. I'm like, hey, at a boy,

917
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: go do it. So I think I'm gonna go with

918
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield too, in a very hostile crowd that people

919
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: have said that that's the loudest Nielan's ever been. Did it,

920
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: and he did it in that good situation. I think

921
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm gonna go there. Just enough running

922
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: ability to score from two and a half yards out,

923
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: but as a improvisational specialist can buy time and finds

924
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: a way to release the ball from different h release points.

925
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield in that situation, I'm going I might surprise

926
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Speaker 1: you with this one. I'm gonna go Josh Allen because

927
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: I can run quarterback power at six five plus two

928
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: or forty pounds and let him just run somebody over.

929
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Or I could boot That's what I'm saying, and how

930
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: effective we've seen Cam Newton in those in those roles,

931
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: I could also boot him, get him on the move,

932
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: use his mobility a little bit um So I think

933
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: his size and physicality as a runner in a short

934
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: yard of situation, as well as his ability to buy

935
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: some time and make something happening right, go Josh. Ill

936
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: want the two point, like, spend that wheel. Sorry, let's

937
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: do this thing. Two left here on the prospect for

938
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: let two last two situations playing with a terrible roster,

939
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: Which quarterback you want to play with? Interesting buck mm hmm.

940
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: So you're a team drafting, you gotta throw him on

941
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: the field and the team is terrible. Who's got the

942
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: best chance to survive that thing? Oh? I think it

943
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: comes down to two guys, because I think they played

944
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: with unders sold rosters during their time a little bit.

945
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to Sam Donald, and I

946
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: think for shucks and giggles, I think you can talk

947
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson because that's kind of like a high

948
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: school thing with the ball in the hands of your

949
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: best athlete. In this situation for the NFL, I'm gonna

950
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: go with Sam Donald. And the reason I go with

951
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: Sam is because I believe, from a confident standpoint, he

952
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: won't wilt under the chaos of having to carry the

953
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: squad and that the lack of success that he might

954
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: have wouldn't crush him going forward. That's just based on

955
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: his competitive spirit and what we've discovered about him in

956
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: this process. So my guy would be Sam Donald in

957
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: this situation, playing with a terrible roster, I'll go with

958
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: him because I feel like he's built to kind of

959
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: handle the adversity and he can come back from it. Yeah,

960
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: I would go with Donald as well, And that's kind

961
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: of my where I was leaning. Lamar Jackson doesn't make

962
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: some sense because you could just give yourself over to

963
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: a whole new style of play with Lamar Jackson if

964
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: your team is not very good and just just go

965
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: for it. Let him run around make all kinds of plays. Um,

966
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: that would probably my second choice. If Josh Rosen was durable,

967
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I think he would have a shot with a bad

968
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: roster because I think he can get you in and

969
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: out of plays. He can get the ball out and

970
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: be accurate and do some things. But we've seen him

971
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: with a not great roster not win a lot of games,

972
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: and we've seen him get hurt. So um, I would

973
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: lean towards Donald on that one. We got time for

974
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: one more, all right, Last one, I think I had

975
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: to have a feeling where you guys are laying in

976
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: from where you guys were talking about out, Maybe a

977
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: bigger quarterback with a large arm earlier that you need

978
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: to build the pieces around him. But last situation, playing

979
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: with a loaded roster, what's your quarterback? Okay, all kinds

980
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: of talent around him, Oh, playing with a load of ross.

981
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Josh Rosen because to me, I

982
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: think Josh Rosen, you surround him with talent. You say,

983
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: around him on the team that is good and ready

984
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: to go. I think he is. He has an ability,

985
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: He has the ability to get them to the winner circle.

986
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: I think with some of the other guys, uh may

987
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: take a little while, but in terms of most ready

988
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: to play right now day one, I think Josh Rosen

989
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: would be the guy that could be a rookie deck

990
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: and step in and do kind of like a Met

991
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Ryan type thing, even if Joe Flacker, because I think

992
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Joe Flapping stepped in and did that. Yeah, this is scary.

993
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Normally mean Bucky don't agree this much. I think that one.

994
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: I would go with Rosen too. You told me, even

995
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: if it's just a loaded offensive line, you tell me

996
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: you can protect him. Um, Josh Rosen, I think is

997
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: gonna be wildly successful if he gets in a situation

998
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: where he's got those pieces in place. So I would

999
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: go there. That was fun little prospect roulette prospect that. Yeah,

1000
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: look for that to come out on video next time

1001
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: we do that guy, have a little we're breaking the

1002
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: bank on a little graphics being made, so some maybe

1003
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Speaker 1: maybe a little uh Roulette style graphics. Don't want to

1004
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: get too deep in tips, Sully, I don't, I'm not.

1005
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to uh. I don't want to over

1006
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: exaggerate here, but I feel like we're in a nice

1007
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: rhythm on the show. We're in a pretty good rhythm

1008
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: right now. And what do we just do? How long

1009
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: was that we just did? This guy is almost coming

1010
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: up on fifty minutes sucking. How easy is this? We

1011
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: could go? We could go hours talking about this stuff.

1012
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: One of the more entertaining draft classes. I feel like

1013
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: the last few years, we've got a lot a lot

1014
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: to talk. We're gonna keep rolling on, move the sticks,

1015
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: and we've got uh, We've got the Josh Allen three

1016
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Speaker 1: sixty coming up, so we're gonna lookout for that. We've

1017
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: got Can we tell them some of the other guys

1018
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: that we've got coming. We've got se Quon Barkley coming

1019
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: down pipeline. Got Barkley, uh, and then got a few

1020
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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks. Dar will be one a week the draft.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot a lot of content coming your way.

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