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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema Rewind. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Joe McCormack. And on today's Weird House Cinema Rewind,

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Speaker 2: we are bringing you an episode that aired July eighth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. This was our episode on Blade. What

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Speaker 2: more could you ask for?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed fitting. You know, we were kind of

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Speaker 1: trying to ice skate Uphill this week with our workload,

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Speaker 1: and so we had to call on Blade to come

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Speaker 1: in and help us out a little this Friday. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's fitting. Blade's been on my mind a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but I'm checking out this video game Midnight

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Speaker 1: Suns and when you get to control Blade and turn

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Speaker 1: based combat, it's pretty fun. And we're still, I guess

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Speaker 1: some ways away from the next Blade movie with Marshall Ali.

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Speaker 1: I understand that one has had some setbacks and changes occur,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully they're going to get buy back on track.

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Speaker 1: They're going to shoot that like in our neighborhood, and

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Speaker 1: then it'll be ready for us sometime in like twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five or something.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And this is Joe McCormick, and hey today, are we

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Speaker 3: getting into the Marvel Cinematic universe? Is this a Marvel

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Speaker 3: superhero movie?

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Speaker 5: Well, no, not quite for the first question, but yes

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Speaker 5: for the second question, because we're going to be talking

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Speaker 5: about the nineteen ninety eight movie Blade, a movie that

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Speaker 5: is kind of it is kind of the precursor to

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Speaker 5: the Marvel Cinematic universe, but unlike the PG era and

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Speaker 5: PG I guess thirteen probably era of Marvel films that

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Speaker 5: we have today, and even the darker DC films that

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Speaker 5: we have, and certainly those have more in common with Blade.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about a solid R here, mostly for violence

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Speaker 5: and language, a little bit of sexuality, but you know,

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Speaker 5: several different things that wouldn't fly in the Marvel movies

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Speaker 5: that are so popular right now.

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Speaker 3: It is hilarious that this is essentially, I would say,

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Speaker 3: R rated comic book movie. Like basically every other word

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Blade as a superhero has several different superpowers, but

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Speaker 5: one of them is definitely that he gets to say

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Speaker 5: the F and he gets to say the f as

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Speaker 5: many times as he wants to, as far as I

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Speaker 5: can tell, I don't think there's a limit.

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Speaker 3: And there's constantly blood spraying everywhere on everything.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, there's a lot of blood in this one,

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Speaker 5: and a lot of attitude. So this is a movie

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Speaker 5: where we're once more getting pretty close up to the

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Speaker 5: dawn of the millennium here and in the end of

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Speaker 5: the millennium that we spend most of our time in

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Speaker 5: than the century we spend most of our time in.

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Speaker 5: Because this is ninety eight, I think the closest we've

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Speaker 5: Blue Sea?

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Speaker 3: Is that ninety nine?

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Speaker 5: I think that was ninety nine, But we're pushing the

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Speaker 3: Well. So I was thinking about this and about how

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Speaker 3: Blade is not only a vampire superhero movie. It is

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Speaker 3: also very much in terms of like the cinematography, the

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Speaker 3: way this movie looks, and the way the fight senat

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Speaker 3: action thriller. And so what does that mean? I would

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Speaker 3: characterize it as follows sets with tons of slick, gleaming

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Speaker 3: at the time in nineteen ninety eight, and no one

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Speaker 3: finding this unusual, even though the movie is set in

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Speaker 3: And then extreme gratuitous gun violence where like rooms of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the gun violence is interesting in this film because

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, every time Blade, really, anytime anyone is hit

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Speaker 5: really good job of selling the physical violence. Now, before

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Speaker 5: I'll mention this. We've we've started mentioning where to watch

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Speaker 5: want to go in unspoilt. But basically, you can watch

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Speaker 5: Blade everywhere. You can get it on DVD, you can

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Speaker 5: original Blades of streaming. So Blade one, the excellent, Blade two,

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Speaker 3: Now, I think you're more of a connoisseur of Blade

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Speaker 5: Whistler, No, come on here for some reason put a

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Speaker 3: No, he just just he had a TV in his garage.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. We go in there and we

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Speaker 3: it's nineteen ninety nine, and there you go.

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Speaker 5: So, wait, have you not seen Gamma Do Toro's Blade too?

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Blade two is amazing. Blade two is

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Speaker 5: everything that this film brings to the table. But then

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Speaker 3: Well, so that made me want to raise something. Germo

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Speaker 5: Yeah, i'd say when Del Toro comes along, you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Though then again I should stress for del Toro,

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Speaker 3: Now, another thing that sort of sets Blade apart that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is a secular vampire hunter as opposed to

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Speaker 3: A glutinous rice dealer scene was really set Blade apart.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that would have been It would have been brutal.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine the dressing down a corrupt rice dealer

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Speaker 3: Wesley Snipes completely embodies this character. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: Wesley Snipes brings a kind of I don't know, a

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Speaker 5: Wesley Snipes is as perfect in this role as anyone

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Speaker 5: He mixed the weapons I use the Warder Group. Now

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Speaker 5: There were things out tonight than vampires like me.

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Speaker 5: All right? Starting at the top, the director is Stephen

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Speaker 5: Norrington born nineteen sixty four. This is This isn't the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, so that's Norington, that's the director. Screenwriter

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Speaker 5: Now. He went on to work again for band Camp

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, Dark City is amazing that one. I

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Speaker 5: Right, because again Blade will say the F and all

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Speaker 3: so much fun.

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00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 5: He's what a criminal from the past future? Yeah, something

432
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 5: that is okay.

433
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: The premise is they froze. It takes place in a

434
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: sort of in a very softened do you in future,

435
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: where like where there's no crime or littering or even

436
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: swearing anymore, and everything's all just like nice. And suddenly

437
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: they accidentally unthaw a frozen criminal from the nineteen nineties

438
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: and that's Wesley Snipes, and nobody knows how to deal

439
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: with them. So they also have to unfreeze a tough

440
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 3: cop from the nineties and that's Sylvester Stallone. It's whoever

441
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: came up with that premise. Chef's kiss.

442
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 5: I should see that one at some point. I hear

443
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 5: that people enjoy it, at least in retrospect. I don't

444
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 5: know how I did at the time, all right. Now,

445
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: of course, Snipes post Blade Trinity, he had some well

446
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: known legal issues, but I believe he's worked pretty steadily

447
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: since then. He notably showed up in The Expendables three

448
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 5: Dolomite is My Name and Coming to America. That's Coming

449
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 5: Numeral to America, the sequel that came out recently. And

450
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 5: I have to say I've long wanted to check out

451
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 5: his twenty twelve movie Gallo Walkers, in which he plays

452
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 5: a cursed gunman who fights the undead. Patrick Bergen is

453
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: in it, so you know it's worth looking at, right.

454
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I Also, I don't want to spoil too

455
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: much about that. I mean, obviously we're going to spoil

456
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: everything about Blade because you know, we got to talk

457
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: about the like the ritual at the end and stuff.

458
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: But for a different show, I'll limit it to just

459
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: saying that Wesley Snipes has an amazing cameo in the

460
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: in the What We Do in the Shadows TV series.

461
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 5: Nice just to go back to something we discussed in

462
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 5: the previous weird House. I also have to say that

463
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: when I think about Snipes now, I can't help but

464
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: think about Steven Sagall, because both actors are of the

465
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 5: same era. Both actors were allegedly difficult on set, or

466
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 5: could be difficult on set in some cases. However, Snipes

467
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: was clearly the bigger star, and I feel like in Blade, especially,

468
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 5: Snipes manages to actually capture the essence of a modern

469
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 5: action movie warrior priest, certainly a vibe that Sigal was

470
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 5: always going for in these films, but not quite an

471
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: al So Snipes kind of captures what Sigal always aspired for.

472
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to put it. Yeah, well, I

473
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: would say another difference is that while Snipes does plenty

474
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: of these silly action hero roles, Snipes is actually a

475
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: good actor, and I don't think that can be said

476
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: of Steven Sagall.

477
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's an important distinction to make. Now,

478
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 5: you know what they say, every great hero needs at

479
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 5: least a mediocre villain, and that's where we turn to

480
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 5: Deacon frost Our van Beier, villain in this film, played

481
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 5: by Stephendorf born nineteen seventy three.

482
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: Oh, I think Dwarf as Deacon Frost is better than mediocre.

483
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 3: I found him delightfully fun as the villain in this

484
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: He's fun.

485
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: I don't know, something always felt a little lacking for

486
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 5: me in this character. Not bashing the performance at all.

487
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 5: I feel like he delivers on what they were going

488
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 5: for here, and maybe ultimately he goes beyond that. Like

489
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: Deacon Frost is a is a villain that I am

490
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 5: not rooting for, Like I don't like him, and ultimately

491
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 5: maybe that's the point, Like I'm not supposed to like

492
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 5: Deacon Frost. He's an upstart, you know, he's a He

493
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 5: insults everybody, whether you're you know, other vampires or you're

494
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 5: a vampire hunter. You know, he's a He's a consummate

495
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 5: bad guy in that regard.

496
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: He I love the premise for the character though it's hilarious.

497
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: He's basically the idea is Deacon Frost is taking this

498
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 3: vampire thing a little too far, you know. He's like,

499
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 3: I can understand the killing people and drinking their blood,

500
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: but Frost is a little extreme.

501
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: He is he's an extremist. He's a young extremist, and

502
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: the old establishment doesn't really know what to do with him,

503
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 5: and he's hilariously inept and dealing with any internal threats clearly. Yeah.

504
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: He gets taken before the Board of Directors of Vampires

505
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 3: and they're like, Frost, you're you're you're a loose cannon,

506
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're like.

507
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 5: No, yeah, Well, they don't even really kick him off

508
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 5: the force. They're just like you shouldn't you shouldn't be

509
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 5: like this Frost, and he's like, well I am, and

510
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: then he walks off and like smokes a cigarette.

511
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like theres what can you do?

512
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then later just wipes them out and Yeah,

513
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 5: it completely takes over without any real sense of like

514
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 5: you don't get the sense that, oh man, Frost really

515
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 5: was pulling those political strings, like I don't know, it

516
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 5: looks like he just put at least marginal effort into it.

517
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 5: And the old Vampire lords were just totally inept. They

518
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: didn't see it coming. They couldn't come up with with

519
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 5: even like they had every reason in the world to

520
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 5: get rid of Stephen, get rid of Deacon Frost here,

521
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: and there's no line in the film where they're kind

522
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: of where they even acknowledge why they haven't done, so

523
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 5: they're not like oh, Deacon Frost, you're so out of line,

524
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 5: You're so you're so lucky that we have this one

525
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: provision in Vampire Love that says we cannot kill you,

526
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: or or something like, oh, Deacon Frost, thank goodness you

527
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: are doing the blood harvesting for us. Otherwise if you

528
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 5: want so important, and we would just get rid of you.

529
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: There's no reasons for us to believe that Frost has

530
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 5: any importance to the vampire authority here, and yet they

531
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 5: do nothing about him, and then he kills them all.

532
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: You're right. It's not even like Tony Soprano being like, oh,

533
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: I want to whack him, but he's a good earner.

534
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: They're just they're just like he's constantly causing problems and

535
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: threatening us. Oh what are we gonna do? I'mudokier.

536
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 5: I don't know, all right. So Dwarf, though he's been

537
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 5: around a while, started off as a child actor, appearing

538
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 5: in the nineteen eighty seven film. One of his earlier

539
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 5: roles was the eighty seven film The Gate, about kids

540
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 5: summoning up demons at home, but most of his earlier

541
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 5: credits or TV roles, but some bigger screen rolls would

542
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: come around with nineteen ninety two is the Power of

543
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 5: one ninety four's Backbeat, as well as Stuart Gordon's Space

544
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 5: Truckers in nineteen ninety six. Post Blade, he was in

545
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: such films as John Waters Cecil Beat Him ented in

546
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 5: two thousand The If Memory Serves Terriblefear dot Com and

547
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 5: thousand and.

548
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: Two, Wait, what are you saying bad about Fear dot Com?

549
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe it would be fun in retrospect, but

550
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 5: at the time even I remember watching Fear dot Com

551
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 5: and it was just, oh, it was bad.

552
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: No, it's bad, but it's part of the series of

553
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: movies all came out around that time about telecommunications technology

554
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: that kills you. So like in The Ring you get

555
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: a phone call and it kills you, and then in

556
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: this movie you go to a website and it kills you.

557
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Fear dot Com is like the one of the

558
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: worst Ring knockoffs, I guess of the era.

559
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: I think it actually might have come out first, slightly

560
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: before the American Ring at least. Oh okay, I'm not

561
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: positive about that.

562
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: At any rate. It's bad. Now. I don't have much

563
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 5: to say about a lot of these roles, but I

564
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: do think that Dwarf was pretty great in the third

565
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 5: season A True Detective. He really wowed me in that. Like,

566
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: I hadn't really seen him play this sort of character before. Generally,

567
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 5: I had only seen him play these cool characters from

568
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: the younger phase of his career. But as this character,

569
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: Detective Roland West in A True Detective, I really liked

570
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 5: him in that.

571
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, he grizzled. Well.

572
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: Oh, one more thing about him. A fun fact. He's

573
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: the son of composer Stevedorf, who composed the score for

574
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 5: the nineteen eighty seven film My Best Friend as a vampire.

575
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: All right, next actor we're going to talk about here,

576
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: Chris Christofferson is in this was the character Whistler. The

577
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 5: Whistler is blades tech man, his backup. He's his Q,

578
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 5: always providing him with cool new gadgets with which to

579
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 5: kill the blood drinkers.

580
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: Except he's not whimsical like Q. You know, don't touch

581
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: that Doublo seven. Instead, he's a well to come back

582
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: to the theme of grizzled, he is as grizzled as

583
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: it gets.

584
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is grizzled to the max. And you can

585
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: imagine Norrington being like cut All right, can we try

586
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: it again? Chris, but this time more grizzled. Can you

587
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 5: make it more grizzled and and reckless and gruff? And

588
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: Chris stofferins it's like, yep, yep, I can do it. Yeah,

589
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: smoking constantly guzzling. Jack Daniels, it's great.

590
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: Out of the bottle without pouring it in the glass.

591
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: Smoking while sloppily putting gasoline in a car.

592
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: Smoking while fueling up a car. He always looks like

593
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: he just stepped on a nail a few minutes ago.

594
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it has like his leg and

595
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: a brace too. Right. So this is Chris Christofferson, very

596
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: well known name singer, songwriter turned actors. Some of his

597
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 5: biggest songs that he wrote were Me and Bobby McGhee

598
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 5: for the Good Time, Sunday Morning, coming Down and helped

599
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: Me make It through the Night. His first movie was

600
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy one's The Last Movie, written and directed by

601
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 5: Dennis Hopper, and he also starred in the movie Cisco

602
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 5: Pike the same year, and he followed these up with

603
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: such nineteen seventies films as well a pair of Sam

604
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 5: peckinpop films, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, as well

605
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: is Bring Me the head of Alfredo Garcia. He was

606
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: also in Martin Scorsese's nineteen seventy four film Alice Doesn't

607
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 5: Live Here Anymore, And in nineteen seventy six he starred

608
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: opposite Barbara Streisand in A Star Is Born.

609
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh was he playing the Bradley Cooper role in that

610
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: version of it?

611
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, he's the character that Bradley Cooper. Would revisit

612
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 5: the remake. Now, I can't. We can't touch on all

613
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 5: the films that Christopherson has been. He was in a

614
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: ton of stuff during his career, but some of the

615
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: others that stand out, at least to me are nineteen

616
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: eighty Seven's Gate, nineteen eighty eight's Big Top Peewee, nineteen

617
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 5: eighty nine's Millennium. He was in John Sayliss's Lone Star

618
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 5: in ninety six, and in two thousand and one he

619
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 5: was in Planet of the Apes.

620
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: The Planet of the Apes remake, the Tim Burton one.

621
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, that one has a great cast, and

622
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: I believe I've seen it. I don't know. Sometimes I

623
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 5: feel like I need to revisit that one see exactly

624
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 5: what was up. It has some great ape suits. So

625
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 5: obviously he plays Whistler in all three Wesley Snipes Blade movie,

626
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 5: So wait of a shocker to you, Joe.

627
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: I distinctly recall him dying in the movie. I just watched.

628
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 5: It didn't take. It didn't take. The character was too good.

629
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 5: People working more Whistler. So even though, okay, but he

630
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: comes back very early. It's not really a big plot,

631
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 5: but basically early on in Blade Too, they're like, you

632
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 5: remember Whistler, Well he's back. We're bringing him.

633
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: Back from the dead, Like, is he a vampire?

634
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: I think there's a little vampireeness involved in his him

635
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 5: coming back, but I'm a little foggy on how it happened.

636
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 5: It Also, it really, even at the time, as much

637
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: as I love Blade Too, it felt like, what we

638
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 5: killed Whistler. No, he's great, bring him back, okay. Chris

639
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: Christofferson was also in the weird movie Trouble in Mind

640
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: from nineteen eighty five, directed and written by Alan Rudolph,

641
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 5: which is a film that I think I would there'd

642
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 5: be a lot to talk about if we were to

643
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 5: cover this on Weird House Cinema, if it were not

644
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: for some of the less savory aspects of the character

645
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 5: he plays in the film and now, Chris Kostofferson is

646
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: really good in it, and so Our Divine Keith Carrodine

647
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 5: and Joe Morton. But for my taste anyway, Rudolph makes

648
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 5: some choices with the protagonist that end up tarnishing the

649
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: film for me anyway. At this point in his career,

650
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 5: Christofferson is still alive as of this recording, but is

651
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 5: retired from acting in music these days. His last film

652
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 5: role was twenty eighteens Blaze, directed and written by Ethan Hawke.

653
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 3: Not Blade, but Blaze Blaze.

654
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it kind of went out. I guess I

655
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 5: kind of a blaze of glory. I don't know. I

656
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 5: haven't seen Blaze. I'm not not sure what it's about,

657
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 5: but I don't think it's about an off brand vampire killer.

658
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 3: Okay, so we got Blade, he's our vampire hunter, and

659
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: then we got Whistler, he is our vampire hunter's assistant

660
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: slash tech slash mechanic. But let's see, in a sort

661
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: of materially based vampire scenario, you need a hematologist in this.

662
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be a movie without a hematologist, somebody who

663
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: can explain all the blood science. And wouldn't you know it,

664
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: we happen to run across a hematologist quite early in

665
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: the film.

666
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 5: Yep, it's Karen, played by bouche Wright born nineteen seventy,

667
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 5: known for such films as nineteen ninety five's Dead Presidents,

668
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 5: ninety two zebra Head, and nineteen ninety four is Fresh.

669
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 5: So yeah, she kind of this is in more of

670
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 5: a modern film, you know, So she's not merely a

671
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 5: damsel in distress. She is in distress a few times

672
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 5: and Blade does saf her, but then she also pulls

673
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 5: through and is of course a brilliant hematologist who starts

674
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 5: cracking the vampire medical problem, as well as proving herself

675
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 5: very eager to grab a shotgun or a UV light

676
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: torch and jump in and kill some vampires as well.

677
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: I think in bouchet Right is great in this and

678
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: I like her characters arc. So at first she is, yeah,

679
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: she's just like she gets bitten by a vampire and

680
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: needs rescuing by Blade. But yeah, over the course of

681
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 3: the film, she becomes more and more active in fighting back,

682
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: and yeah, so she invents some chemical weapons to use

683
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: against the vampires, and she gets a really good sword

684
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: stab in on Donald Logue at one point and makes

685
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: some vampires explode with some garlic spray. She's great.

686
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah. Another actor of note in this is Sina Lathan,

687
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: who plays Blade's mom Vanessa, we see at the very

688
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 5: beginning in this flashback. Born nineteen seventy one, she had

689
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 5: a much bigger career post Blade, actually starring in two

690
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: thousand eleven Basketball and Brown Sugar from two thousand and two,

691
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 5: directed by Rick Familuwa. She's also the lead in two

692
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 5: thousand and fours Alien Versus Predator, whoa. She had a

693
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: recurring role on such TV shows as Niptock, Secession and Family.

694
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: Guy, So she's the main character in Alien Versus pres Editor,

695
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that in a long time, but I

696
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: remember having a thought about her character in that, which

697
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: is that in the end, she and the predators like

698
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: defeat all the aliens, and the predators are like, good job, human,

699
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, you did good back there, and then I

700
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: think they give her a trophy or something, and then

701
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: they fly off and then she is left standing by

702
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: herself in the middle of Antarctica. So it's like, oh,

703
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 3: she would definitely die.

704
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the predators they don't really know how

705
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 5: humans work all that much.

706
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, they should have given her a ride.

707
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 5: I think all right. The next actor of note, Donald Logue,

708
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: is in this playing the character Quinn, an excellent vampire

709
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: hinchman to mister Frost here.

710
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: This character is a lot of fun. This is a

711
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: great villain, and I kind of get the feeling that

712
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: with this character. Somebody watched Catherine Bigelow's Near Dark and

713
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: they saw Bill Paxton's character as the always going nuts

714
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: vampire dancing on tables, taunting people with the kind of

715
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: Southern accent, and to use a goyrism, they said, I

716
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: got to get me one of those.

717
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I can see the connection here. You

718
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: both also get crispy and keep on vamping, you know,

719
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 5: both fun characters with similar traits. I think Paxton and

720
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: Log each kind of make them their own. I think

721
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: Paxton's characters may be a little more Texan and Log's

722
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 5: character Quinn here's a little more dude, you know. But yeah,

723
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 5: I can see the connection between these two anyway. In

724
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 5: my opinion, Quinn is the best villain role in the

725
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: film by far, though. I do like the relationship that

726
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 5: they develop between Quinn and Frost, like they have a

727
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 5: good vibe. So it's never one of these. It's not

728
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: a situation where I'm like, oh, I wish it was

729
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: just Quinn. Like, I love Quinn when he's on the screen,

730
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: but I also love his moments with Frost. They really

731
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 5: work those out. Well.

732
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 3: There's a great scene where you think Fraud is gonna

733
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: like cut off Quinn's arm, but he's just joking with him.

734
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, it's I'm playing.

735
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's there's some some nice little nods

736
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: like this, the very the subtle manipulation that Frost has

737
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 5: him play over Quinn.

738
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're bros.

739
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: But there are bros. Yeah, but are they real? Like

740
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 5: you know that Frost really is going he never gets

741
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 5: the chance to actually betray Quinn. But but yeah, it's

742
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 5: heavily implied that, Yeah, the second that Frost has what

743
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 5: he needs, Quinn is no longer necessary.

744
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he becomes the Blood God, in the Blood

745
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: God does not have any bros.

746
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 5: Yeah. So Log's TV screen career kicks off in the

747
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 5: early nineties with a smattering of small TV roles. You

748
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: see him on X Files, you see him on Northern Exposure,

749
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: as well as such films as ninety two Sneakers, ninety

750
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 5: three's Gettysburg, and these smaller roles continue. He even pops

751
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: up in nineteen ninety six Jerry Maguire. He played Jimmy

752
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 5: the Cab Driver and several MTV promos in the early

753
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 5: nineties as well. I don't know if you remember these, No,

754
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: just kind of a chance for outlandish character work from

755
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 5: logan those. He's worked a lot since Blade, but some

756
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: of the highlights include David Fincher's Zodiac. In two thousand

757
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 5: and seven, he was on the TV series Vikings and

758
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 5: oh Man. He has a really fun role in the

759
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 5: biker series Sons of Anarchy. He plays an opiate addicted

760
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 5: renegade x Us Marshall named Lee Torrek. He's not on

761
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: the show a lot, but he really eats up the

762
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 5: screen when he's on there.

763
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 3: Well, he's definitely a scene stealer in this movie too,

764
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: as a vampire who just repeatedly gets like burned and

765
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: chopped up and stuff, but then comes back.

766
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's just full of energy. You know, he's

767
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 5: all about enjoying the party, but he's also all about

768
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 5: bringing the fight to Blade.

769
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: But you know it wouldn't be a vampire movie if

770
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: it didn't have Udo Kier in it.

771
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Udo Kier in it plays Dragonetti. U is

772
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: our top vampire lord or vampire baron, at least in

773
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: the local what is I don't even know what city

774
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: this was supposed to be. I think they filmed parts

775
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 5: of it in Canada and parts of it in California.

776
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 5: It's vaguely, it's not important. It is just the city,

777
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: so American, big city.

778
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: It's never specified. Parts of it look more like an

779
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: East Coast city like New York. Parts of it definitely

780
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: look like La So. I'm not sure, but yeah, Udo Kier,

781
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 3: he is the CEO of the vampires in this movie.

782
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Kier oh Man Kier has been in a

783
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 5: lot so German born actor with two hundred and seventy

784
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: five credits on IMDb. I don't know if I said

785
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: I may have said it already. Born nineteen forty four,

786
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 5: still very much alive, still active. He's one of these

787
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 5: actors who seems to have been in everything and become

788
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 5: an icon for this weird mix of popular but also

789
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 5: art house and just utter B movies. And in less

790
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: than be Like, there's some some really really really low

791
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 5: budget looking like video game adaptations.

792
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: He's beIN in Are you making a movie that you're

793
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: filming on your cell phone? Udo Kier will be in it.

794
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 5: Give him a call, Yeah, if you meet the price,

795
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: he will. He will show up. And he's one of

796
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: these guys that like, like, no, no, none of these

797
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 5: movies have slowed him down, So he's he just keeps

798
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 5: keeps acting in things, and he'll pop up in some

799
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 5: really good stuff here and there, but then he'll also

800
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: be in something that's just, you know, complete trash, and

801
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 5: nothing sticks to him. He started acting on screen in

802
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: the late sixties, and appeared in such films as a

803
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies Mark of the Devil opposite Herbert Lohm. In

804
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 5: seventy three and seventy four, he played both Baron Frankenstein

805
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: and Count Dracula in Fresh Flesh for Frankenstein Not Fresh

806
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: Flesh for Frankenstein and Blood for dragt Ala, both famously

807
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 5: produced in part by Andy Warhol, so pretty legendary for

808
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 5: those roles. In nineteen seventy seven, he played doctor Frank

809
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 5: mandel Is in Mandel or Mandel I don't remember, but anyway,

810
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 5: the movie is Dario Argento's Suspiria.

811
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like a character that the main character goes

812
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: to talk to in a like a park outside an

813
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: office building and he tells her about witches.

814
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah. So Kier has been in lots of European films

815
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: and in general just lots of films. He was in

816
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 5: ninety five's Johnny Numonic, He was in nineteen ninety four's

817
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 5: Ace Venture a Pet Detective. He was in nineteen ninety

818
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 5: six's Barbed Wire. In two thousand, he was in both

819
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: Shadow of the Vampire and Dancer in the Dark. In

820
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: two thousand and one, he was in both Werner Herzog's

821
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 5: Invincible I believe that starred Tim Roth, and he was

822
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: also in Magda. It was in the Gido. You'll make

823
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 5: my guess.

824
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: I saw that in theaters. That's one of those Christian

825
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: apocalypse movies. It's all about the anti Christ and the

826
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: end times. The anti Christ played I think by Michael

827
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: York Basil Exposition from the Austin Powers movies.

828
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 5: In two thousand and two, Kiera was also in Fear

829
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 5: dot Com. He's like, let me have some of that

830
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 5: Fear dot Com action, and.

831
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: I won't go to that website, do not?

832
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 5: I don't know, we can't vouch for that website. But again,

833
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: artful and terrible movies kind of find a perfect balance

834
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 5: in udo Kier and this trend continues to this very day.

835
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 5: Most recently, his twenty twenty one film Swan Song earned

836
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: a great deal of praise, in which he plays a

837
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: formerly flamboyant hairdresser, Ejing flamboyant hairdresser. And yeah, that one.

838
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 5: I was reading articles about that one on NPR. Oh,

839
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 5: but Joe, he was in another movie that I know

840
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 5: that you've mentioned to me before. He was in two

841
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: thousand and fourst Trackla three thousand.

842
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Dracula three thousand is a direct to

843
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: video sci fi horror masterpiece starring Casper van Deen, who

844
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: was in the first Omega Code movie by the way,

845
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: to Connections abound, but not just Casper van Deen, so

846
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: it's also got coolioh Erica Elanyak, and Tommy Lister, Tiny Lister.

847
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to say I saw Dracula three thousand circa

848
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, but the memory is firmly implanted

849
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: because this is one of those movies that is not

850
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: just bad, It's not just really bad. It's unusually bad.

851
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: I think paying attention to this entire movie should be

852
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: like a standard test of willpower and sustained attention used

853
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: in like training airline pilots. You know, if you're the

854
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: safety technician at a power plant, you must watch Dracula

855
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: three thousand and be able to describe everything that happens afterwards.

856
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: It's that would be a feat of the brain. The

857
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: plot is, I think that there's a space ship helmed

858
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: by Casper van Deen. I think he's literally named Captain

859
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: Abraham van Helsing and they run across a derelict ship

860
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: called the Demeter reference to Dracula, of course, and then

861
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 3: they try to salvage it. But whoops, there's a vampire

862
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: on board, but not a sci fi vampire, so imagine

863
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: frilly shirt, huge collar, black cave. He's a Halloween costume

864
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: of a vampire, but in a spaceship movie.

865
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: Because it sounds like you're working up yet like a

866
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 5: space vampire, like a yeah, something like from Planet to

867
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 5: the Vampires or something, or something even more alien. But yeah,

868
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 5: you had shared a picture of this, and yeah it's

869
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 5: just straight up department store vampire.

870
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: No, he's literally just like Ivon Tusak your blood and

871
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: so Udo Kierra is in this movie too, but he

872
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: appears in such a way that, as a friend of

873
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: mine put it at the time, it looks like he

874
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: left his car running while he ran in to shoot

875
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: his scenes. He does not interact with the rest of

876
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: the cast as far as I recall. He plays the

877
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: dead captain of the Daryl like Chip, and his only

878
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: scenes where he's acting are like video logs left behind,

879
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: And in these video logs, he's obviously reading his lines

880
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: for the first time as he delivers them, so he's

881
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: going straight off the que cards, and you can see

882
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: his eyes going back and forth as he goes down

883
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: each line of a bunch of whole you know, like, oh,

884
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: there's something on board. We are doomed that kind of stuff.

885
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: All right. Next up, I guess we got to try

886
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 5: and move a little quicker through these other names. But

887
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: so we have Quinn as one of the vampire lackeys.

888
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: We also have a character named Mercury. She's a super fast,

889
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: blonde vampire and played by Arle Hovert born nineteen seventy one.

890
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 5: Spanish dancer turned actor went on to appear in such

891
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 5: films as Vampire Slas mirtosire of the Wolves, and David

892
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 5: Fincher's the girl with the dragon tattoo. She vamps it

893
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 5: up good here.

894
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great's she does a good like kind of

895
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: wolf snarl. She's got good teeth for the role.

896
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 5: That's something I was thinking about watching this film. A

897
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 5: lot of folks have vampire teeth in, and vampire teeth

898
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 5: look cool, but they can also make your This the

899
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: prosthetic that goes in your mouth can make your cheeks

900
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 5: a little puffy, So you kind of get that vampire

901
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 5: teeth cheek puff going on with a lot of the

902
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 5: actors here. Yeah, all right. We also have Tracy Lord's

903
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 5: in this playing the character Raquel. This is the vampire

904
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 5: who leads our bro victim of human to the vampire

905
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 5: rave early on in the film. Yeah, so just a

906
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 5: small role, but Lords born sixty eight, who basically transitioned

907
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 5: out of notoriety into what would become a solid mainstream

908
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 5: acting career. She was. Her first such role was in

909
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty eights Not of This Earth, a remake of

910
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 5: the Roger Corman classic that we've discussed on this show.

911
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 5: Directed by another name that comes up a lot, Jim Warnarski.

912
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 3: I've never seen this remake.

913
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 5: I don't know that you should it that's particularly good,

914
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 5: but it exists, I mean, especially given how great the

915
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 5: original Not of This Earth was. But anyway, she's been

916
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 5: in a bunch of stuff. She's in John Waters Cry Baby.

917
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 5: Not long after that, she did a lot of TV

918
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 5: for such series as mcgiver, Highlander, Tales from the Crypt,

919
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 5: melrose Place, Roseanne Nash Bridges, and Will and Grace. Okay,

920
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 5: smaller roles. Now, there's a character named Crease. He's basically

921
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 5: a vampire underling that ends up losing a hand to

922
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 5: a booby trap, played by Matt Schules born seventy two.

923
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 5: Matt Schuls is interesting because he returns in Blade two

924
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 5: as an entirely different vampire, a Blood Pack member named

925
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 5: Chupa and Matt Schules has been in a number of

926
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 5: movies over the years, including two thousand and one ones

927
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: Fast and the Furious. In twenty eleven's Fast five, in

928
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 5: which he plays a character named Vince who's also in

929
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 5: the Transporter, I think the basic situation is he did

930
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 5: Blade and then he got jacked to do Fast and Furious,

931
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 5: and then he came back and Blade too. And played

932
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: a different jacked vampire.

933
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember who this guy is in any

934
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: of these movies I've seen, and I can't.

935
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I mean he was in two of them, right,

936
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 5: like he was. He must be part of what the family,

937
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 5: right because he's called back. He came back in twenty eleven,

938
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't recall it. Maybe it

939
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 5: was a flashback. This is the big.

940
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: This is not Vin Diesel, this is not Ludacris, this

941
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: is yeah, I don't know.

942
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 5: Well, moving along, we're getting into bit players here now,

943
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: but I have to point out that Greg Okamura is

944
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 5: in this playing an uncredited vampire. He's one of the

945
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 5: vampire lords. There are a number of really cool looking

946
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: vampire lords setting around the table with Udo. Most of

947
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 5: none of them do anything, most of them do not talk,

948
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: but several of them look really cool, and Okamiro certainly

949
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: looks cool. Hawaiian born American actor stuntman and martial artists

950
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: you've definitely seen in something, even if it's just playing

951
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 5: wingcong hatchet Man in nineteen eighty six is big trouble

952
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: in Little China. He's the one that has like two

953
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 5: I think golden revolvers in his in his hands. He

954
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 5: also pops up in such films as The Octagon, Samurai Cop,

955
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 5: The Shadow, Mortal Kombat, the ninety five version Bloodsport three,

956
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 5: and much more.

957
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: Oh who was he in the ninety five Mortal Kombat?

958
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: I watched that probably one hundred times.

959
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: I don't remember him specifically, but he has a real

960
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 5: he has a real cool look. You know, he's got

961
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 5: this long beard, bald head, you know, kind of a

962
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 5: tough guy look. So yeah, he's very much this kind

963
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 5: of guy. He does some stunts, but also you're like, oh,

964
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 5: he looks too cool to not have him more on camera.

965
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: More can he at least stand in the background.

966
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: I don't remember if he has a line in Blade,

967
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: but you were right about him.

968
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 5: Is not.

969
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: The sort of board of directors of vampires being very

970
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: ineffectual and not having much to say or do other

971
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: than stand around and like look terrified by Frost. I

972
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: think occasionally one of them will just like like squeak, like, well,

973
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: I'm a coward, so I don't know.

974
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, or they'll be a little bit smug and be

975
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 5: like you, Frost, you have no idea what you're doing,

976
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 5: or to one of the underlings. You know, he's going

977
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 5: to get you all killed, right, and that's sort of

978
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 5: that's all that it ever amounts to, all right. Note

979
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 5: on the music, Mark Isham did the music here Night

980
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 5: Moore nineteen fifty one. Solid score in my opinion, you know,

981
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: it hits all the right action beats. But also we

982
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 5: have a number of sequences that are more ambient and

983
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 5: ethereal in nature, be it like a blade meditation scene

984
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 5: or one of those driving through the dreary daytime city

985
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 5: scene that I feel like, like, really, those are the

986
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 5: moments where you really have a chance for the score

987
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 5: to shine.

988
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: Though in as was the style at the time. Note,

989
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: this movie also has a lot of rob would you

990
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: would you call it acid techno?

991
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, there's there's some. There's some fun hip hop

992
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 5: in it as well, but yeah, some of the key

993
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 5: scenes involve some like a massive drop of acid techno.

994
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, there are several points where like, oh, Blade

995
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: gets out the sword and then immediately it's down, down,

996
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: down down. Yeah that kind of thing.

997
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. But anyway, the score wise, marc

998
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 5: Issham also did such films as two thousand and fourth Crash,

999
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 5: A Bad Lieutenant Port of Carl New Orleans two thousand

1000
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 5: and seven is the missed time Cop Romeo is bleeding

1001
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 5: fire in the sky Point Break the Hitcher, Trouble in Mind,

1002
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 5: which I mentioned earlier, Never cry Wolf from eighty three.

1003
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 5: He was nominated for an oscar for nineteen ninety Two's

1004
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 5: a river runs through it. So yeah, he's a big

1005
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 5: deal and it's still working. Cool now. A quick note

1006
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 5: on the stunts and fights. There are a few different

1007
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 5: names that are tied up in the stunt working choreography.

1008
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 5: Henry King Junior and Jeff and Mata are credit with

1009
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 5: stunt coordinator Honors. Imata is a longtime stuntman and martial

1010
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 5: artists who has worked in tons of notable films including Blade, Runner, Dreamscape,

1011
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 5: Prince of Darkness, and Big Trouble in Little China. While

1012
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 5: he's in Big Trouble Little China, he's one of the

1013
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: kidnappers of the Airport. Okay, And on top of this,

1014
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 5: martial arts choreographer credits go to both Wesley Snipes himself

1015
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 5: and Jeff Ward, another longtime stumming All right, let's bust

1016
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 5: into the plot of Blade a bit more. Huh.

1017
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: All right, so I guess we will talk about the opening.

1018
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 3: The opening has a kind of prologue that takes place

1019
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty seven, where you're in a hospital. It's

1020
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: that dreamy kind of camera work that lets you know,

1021
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: this is not the whole movie is not going to

1022
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 3: be like this. You know it'll take place in the present,

1023
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: don't worry. But it's sixty seven and you see a

1024
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: woman being rushed through a hospital on a stretcher and

1025
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 3: she's about to give birth, but she also has vampire

1026
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: byte marks on her neck, and you see like her

1027
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: id falls on the ground. I think you see her

1028
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 3: name is Vanessa Brooks, and it's implied that she dies.

1029
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: So that's the background, and then we get credits and

1030
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: we see over the credits there are some sped up

1031
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: time lapse shots of a city. I was trying to

1032
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: figure out what city, but I think it's just it's

1033
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: intentionally nonspecific. A side note on this cinematography. I was thinking,

1034
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: what is the effect on the viewer created by time

1035
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: lapse footage of human activity in a city? And to

1036
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: my mind, it has a kind of de individuation effect

1037
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: because you can't focus on any individual person and instead

1038
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: only see kind of trails or lines, you see masses

1039
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: of humans blurring together into just patterns of movement, or

1040
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: you see the effects of their behavior and projects over time,

1041
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: so you might see buildings being assembled or garbage piling

1042
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: up or something. And in this sense, it kind of

1043
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: makes you think of the humans in the city more

1044
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: like ants in a nature documentary, not as individuals, but

1045
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: as a kind of collective effect, an undifferentiated mass of

1046
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: biology traveling along certain lines, which I think actually works

1047
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: really well in the intro for a vampire movie. It

1048
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: has the eerie effect of letting us see humans more

1049
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: like how the vampires do, kind of like weird herds

1050
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: of livestock without individual identities. So I think that's a

1051
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: very smart choice of technique for the opening of Blade.

1052
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, short lived creatures that burn through

1053
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 5: life so quickly, and it's these older beings, these long

1054
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 5: lived beings that prey upon them.

1055
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: Now, then we get to the real opening, which is

1056
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: you see two people on a date. I think one

1057
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: of them is Tracy Lord's, and they're like winding their

1058
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: way through a meat packing warehouse and leading into a

1059
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: secret club. There's like a bouncer at the door. They

1060
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: go into a club and immediately we're thinking, okay, is

1061
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: this a vampire club. It's got to be. It's full

1062
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: of you know, dancers. There's one dancer there who can

1063
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: kind of teleport. I think that's what's her name?

1064
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 5: Who? Oh Mercury, yeah.

1065
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: Mercury yeah, and they're playing. At first, I was like,

1066
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: is this e DM? But Robbie corrected me, so this

1067
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: would be acid techno.

1068
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is definitely acid techno in this scene.

1069
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 3: So there's a very gray and blue color palette, kind

1070
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: of pale colors. The DJ has flashlights strapped to his glasses.

1071
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: I think we see Stephen Dorf wandering around in the crowd.

1072
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: The rave scene is very late nineties. But then we

1073
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: see that DJ like unveils a giant banner saying blood

1074
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: bath and then what do you know, The sprinkler system

1075
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: kicks on and it's just spray and blood on everybody.

1076
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: This is before we started recording. Seth was asking me, oh,

1077
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: its Blade the movie where the sprinklers come on and

1078
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: it's blood, and we talked about it, and I was thinking,

1079
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: I don't think that would work because when the blood

1080
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: can of like clump up or coagulate and clog up

1081
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: the sprinkler system. I just don't think you could do that.

1082
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 5: It's a special system that was probably custom installed. Because

1083
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 5: we find out the vampires are into everything. They can

1084
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 5: have custom tech installed.

1085
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: They get human plumbers to do that.

1086
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 5: Well, if they are there, they're vampire familiars. They have

1087
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 5: the glyph on the back of their neck and there

1088
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: they know. They install these and cities across the United

1089
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 5: States and Europe and beyond.

1090
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: But they so the blood comes on and then the

1091
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: human dude who's been led in there, he starts panicking,

1092
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: and then all the vampires are like hissing and bearing

1093
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: their fangs at him. They're like really salting the meat

1094
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: with this guy. They don't just bite and drink his blood.

1095
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: They're like trying. It seems like they're trying to scare

1096
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: him to death.

1097
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, this whole sequence is fun to sort of try

1098
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 5: and figure out, because, yeah, so there's the vampires want

1099
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 5: to drink blood, but they also want blood to come

1100
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: through the sprinkler system and fall on everything. They want

1101
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 5: to drain this man's blood, but also they kind of

1102
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 5: want to be eat him up and scare him. Yeah,

1103
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 5: so I was the main way I was able to

1104
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 5: make sense of this is that, Okay, nothing that we

1105
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 5: that we as humans in our life, nothing that we

1106
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 5: like or love, do we love as much as a

1107
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 5: vampire loves blood, Like a vampire has so many Like

1108
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 5: the vampire can't feel emotions about most things, but a

1109
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 5: vampire feels like all emotions about blood. And therefore they're like, yes,

1110
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 5: I want blood. I want blood to rain on me.

1111
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 5: I want I want to make love to the blood.

1112
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 5: I also want to beat the blood up. I want

1113
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 5: to drink the blood. I want to just blood, blood, blood.

1114
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 5: That's all they can think about. And so this is

1115
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: the very sort of experience, the very sort of room

1116
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 5: that a vampire would want to find itself in.

1117
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: That's very astute. I think that is exactly what they're

1118
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: going for.

1119
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 5: So this guy's toast right, like there's just no way out.

1120
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: Of course, they're going to drain him. I mean it's

1121
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: like this club has I don't know, one or maybe

1122
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: a few humans in it, and then five hundred vampires.

1123
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: This is not a good ratio. So the guy's crawling

1124
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: away in terror, slashing through the blood until he like

1125
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 3: crawls up on a big steel toed boot and you

1126
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: see the bottom of a long black leather coat flapping.

1127
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 3: What Who's this. Immediately the crowd panics, They're like, that's him,

1128
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 3: it's the day Walker. And then Fight Fight, Fight Blade

1129
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: is here. Wesley Snipes looks awesome. He's got the the

1130
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: sunglasses indoors, he's got the you know, lots of black leather,

1131
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: he's got the body armor on. He's got the Vampire

1132
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: Hunter Batman utility belt. So I think he's got a

1133
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: shotgun that shoots silver and when it hits the vampires,

1134
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: they dissolve into gray and orange cgi ash. And then

1135
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: he's got little silver steaks, and he's got a katana

1136
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: that I guess must have silver in it, and he's

1137
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: got some kind of boomerang made out of silver lasers.

1138
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: I think he can throw like bombs of garlic sauce.

1139
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: And he of course does martial arts, so he's he's

1140
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: just unloading all of all of the fighting skills on

1141
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: this club full of monsters.

1142
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 5: It just tears into them and it's marvelous.

1143
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: There was a really funny part where a vampire grabs

1144
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: two meat hooks off the wall that look like they're

1145
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: there for decoration. I guess because it's meatpacking district or something,

1146
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 3: and then runs at Blades, swinging the swinging the meat

1147
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 3: hooks like nunchucks.

1148
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Yeah, it takes them out.

1149
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: But then Donal Logue comes out. This is our vampire Quinn,

1150
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: who's got a like big red beard, and he's he's

1151
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: he's got a bunch of goons with sunglasses, and he's like,

1152
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: that's him. Get him. We're gonna jack you up, make

1153
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: him hurt bad. And so you get a big fight scene,

1154
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 3: a bunch of waves of dudes in very distinctive late

1155
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: nineties bad guy outfits. So it's all black clothes, sunglasses inside,

1156
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 3: finger gloves, black wool caps that kind of look. Of course,

1157
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: Blade beats them all. Then he pins Donal Logue to

1158
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 3: the wall with spikes and and Quinn here he seems

1159
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: to be speaking some ancient language. I think there's a

1160
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: vampire language in this movie.

1161
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 5: Yeah and yeah. The part of the plot ends up

1162
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 5: revolving around vampire runs and glyphs that can't quite be

1163
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 5: deciphered and so forth.

1164
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: But Blade tells him, Okay, I'm tired of he says,

1165
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm tired of chopping you up this time I'll try fire,

1166
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: and he sets the vampire on fire, and then police

1167
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: show up. Blade quickly checks the party guy for bite marks.

1168
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 3: He has none, so he lets him go. Then Blade

1169
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 3: disappears and we cut straight to the hospital where Quinn's

1170
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 3: charred cadaver has arrived. They're like, ooh, charred cadaver for you.

1171
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: And so here we're about to meet a major character,

1172
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: the hematologist Karen Jensen, played by In bouchet Wright. And

1173
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: so at first we have her and some other doctor pathologist.

1174
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember the character's name, but my main thing

1175
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 3: about this other guy is, I'm sorry, this guy just

1176
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: does not look like a doctor. I know a doctor

1177
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: can look like anything, but this guy looks like he's

1178
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 3: in a Beatles cover band, and he has a floppy

1179
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: like Paul McCartney mop cut. He just I don't buy it.

1180
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 5: He does seem like a pretty useless character at the time,

1181
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 5: but it becomes it becomes clear that it's an economic

1182
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 5: choice later on in the picture.

1183
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: Yes so so anyway, so he and he and Karen

1184
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: are talking and she's analyzing the blood sample from the

1185
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: cadaver and things are not adding up. She seems skeptical

1186
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: that the blood she's looking at actually came out of

1187
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: a dead person, and she says the red blood cells

1188
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 3: are bi convex, which is impossible a little bit of

1189
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: monster science. I did some digging on this. Red blood

1190
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 3: cells are in fact normally by concave, meaning there's a

1191
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: little dip in the middle of the disk like a

1192
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: like a bally. A bi convex red blood cell would

1193
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 3: be one that bulged out in the middle on both sides,

1194
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: really making it more like a sphere. And there are

1195
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: in fact medical conditions that cause red blood cells to

1196
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: become shaped more like a sphere. These are no as fherrocytosis.

1197
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 3: People with spherrocytosis often experience hemolytic anemia, which is where

1198
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: the Spleen mistakes these spherical red blood cells for damaged

1199
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: or dead cells and then destroys them, leading to the

1200
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: problem that the body is constantly attacking and eliminating its

1201
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 3: own blood supply. Now this may be fleshed out more

1202
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: in the comics or the Blade lore, but I feel

1203
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: like this is a bit of physiology in the movie

1204
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 3: that they don't go into great detail about, but it

1205
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: really fits pretty well with the vampire mythos, like the

1206
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: vampires have a condition where their bodies are constantly destroying

1207
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: their own blood supply and they must replenish it.

1208
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 5: Fascinating. You know, somebody did their homework, you know, maybe

1209
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 5: Goy or maybe somebody else.

1210
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 3: Anyway, doctor Jensen and this other doctor talk and he's like,

1211
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 3: come look at this body. It's weird. And she says,

1212
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 3: I thought you promised to give me some distance. So

1213
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: they clearly have a romantic history, but it's all over now,

1214
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: and he's like, no funny business, wants you to come

1215
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 3: to the morgue with me. So, you know, they go

1216
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: and investigate the body. She notices, Wow, the maxilla looks

1217
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: a little deformed. The maxilla is the upper jaw, and

1218
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: she's like, there's some odd muscle structure around the canines.

1219
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: They're cutting this charred body with fangs open, and then

1220
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 3: the guy is in fact, he's like, hey, want to

1221
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: get back together. They argue about that for a minute

1222
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: and then just sudden, vamping the Crispy Donnell pops up.

1223
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: He kills the dude, he bites Karen. You think he's

1224
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 3: going to kill her too. You think she's done for it.

1225
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: But then suddenly here's blade in the hospital and he's like,

1226
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 3: I came back to finish you off. And there's a

1227
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: brief fight, which is funny because the crispy vampire is

1228
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: obviously very slippery and sliding around, which is gross. But

1229
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: the police show up and shoot Blade a bunch of times,

1230
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 3: and he just yells at them in a moment that's

1231
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 3: quite hilarious. Yeah, he says the ass yeah, and then

1232
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 3: Blade cuts the vampire's arm off, but the vampire escapes,

1233
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: jumping out a window, running off into an alleyway. He

1234
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 3: snarls like a puma. And then Karen's down on the

1235
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: hospital floor. She's gasping for help, and Blade's about to

1236
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: walk away at first, but then he, you know, he

1237
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: sort of he has a moment of compassion and he

1238
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 3: picks her up and takes her with him, and the

1239
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 3: cops give chase. They shoot Blade like a hundred times,

1240
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: but he's fine. He's got the armor on, he's all,

1241
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, he's great. And then Blade jumps across the

1242
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: sky to the roof of another building, and then they

1243
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: escape in the Blade Mobile, which is great. Blade drives

1244
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: like a sick muscle car. They get back to the

1245
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 3: hideout the fortress of blatitude, and it's in some abandoned

1246
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 3: industrial park. You know, there's pipes and chains and catwalks everywhere.

1247
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: That's another late nineties action movie thing you gotta have,

1248
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: like industrial buildings. It takes place in somewhere that used

1249
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 3: to be a factory. There's catwalks galore. We hear Creden's

1250
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 3: Clearwater Revival playing. It's Bad Moon Rising, of course, and

1251
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: we meet Whistler. Here's Chris Christofferson, who's got glory, long

1252
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: white hair and a beard to match. Whistler is like

1253
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: a rock and roll Santa Claus or like a rogue

1254
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: biker grandpa.

1255
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.

1256
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, you're bringing home strays now. You

1257
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: should have killed her, and Blade says, yeah, I know,

1258
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 3: but I didn't. And so they decide, well, okay, we'll

1259
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 3: watch her. We'll see if she turns or see if

1260
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 3: we can treat her. And they give her to try

1261
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 3: to treat her vampire bite. They give her an injection

1262
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 3: of garlic juice, which is straight, goes straight into the neck.

1263
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 3: It's supposed to stave off the transformation or slow it

1264
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: down or something. And when they give her the injection,

1265
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 3: you see puffs of smoke coming out of the holes

1266
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 3: in her neck. After this, we do get a scene

1267
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: at the Vampire It's like a bank, you know, where

1268
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 3: the vampires hang out. It's the corporate board of Vampire

1269
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 3: dum Rob. How would you describe this scene?

1270
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 5: Oh, it's just like a dark gothic crypt of a

1271
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 5: meeting room occupied by various again scary looking vampire lord,

1272
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 5: very you know, very regal in their own ways. Clearly

1273
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 5: they're going for like this feeling of like these are different,

1274
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 5: you know, from different lineages of the vampire history. But

1275
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 5: again we find out that they are all completely inept

1276
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 5: and utterly harmless.

1277
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 3: Right all they do they gather here to discuss the

1278
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 3: things they are afraid of. They're like, oh, udo Kier

1279
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 3: says Blade, it's a day walker. You know, he's still

1280
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: pursuing this ridiculous crusade against us. And then they invite

1281
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: in Deacon Frost to tell him that he's a loose cannon.

1282
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 3: Deacon again, this is Stephen Dwarf. He's the young, hip,

1283
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 3: good looking bad boy vampire. He's not like these buttoned

1284
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: up square vampires. And they're like, you know, you're you're

1285
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: a loose cannon because there is a treaty that I

1286
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 3: think should prevent vampires from gathering in large numbers. And

1287
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: Frost runs night clubs that violate this treaty, and they say, like,

1288
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: human politicians could make things very difficult for our kind

1289
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: if they found out about us, And I was like,

1290
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, would they?

1291
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, what would that look like?

1292
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 3: Frost thinks the vampires are being too timid. He's like, hey,

1293
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 3: humans are food, you know, we should rule them, not

1294
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 3: hide from them.

1295
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, yeah, they're very timid. Well again, one

1296
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 5: of the big positive steps that del Toro makes him

1297
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 5: Blade two is making sure that old vampires are scary.

1298
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 5: Old vampires are inhuman and monstrous, and they have not

1299
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 5: only are they scary, but they have scary plans. And

1300
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 5: Blade one, yeah, they're just smug and complacent.

1301
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 3: Right, And they mock Frost by saying, oh, you're not

1302
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 3: even a pure blood vampire. I think the distinction is

1303
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,799
Speaker 3: that they were born vampires to vampire parents, and Frost

1304
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 3: was just bitten and turned by someone and they sort

1305
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 3: of disdain him for that.

1306
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is this is the moment where you're

1307
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 5: just kind of left to imagine this for yourself. The

1308
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 5: idea of vampire mothers giving birth to baby vampires like

1309
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 5: Udoki was once a vampire baby Udo Kier and we

1310
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 5: just have to briefly imagine what that consists of and

1311
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 5: what that was like.

1312
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 3: Did he drink blood as a baby out of a bottle? Okay?

1313
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 3: So then we go back and visit our heroes again.

1314
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 3: Frost Oh, Blade visits like an apothecary shop where he

1315
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 3: buys I don't know, his regular doses of, like essence

1316
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 3: of garlic, and then he also gets a serum which

1317
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 3: he uses to stave off I don't know basically the

1318
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 3: deal is. We'll find this out in more detail later,

1319
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 3: but Blade is like half of a vampire. He's got

1320
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 3: some vampire characteristics but not others. He can go out

1321
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 3: in the daytime and all that, but he does need

1322
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 3: blood and he's like, well, I'm good now, so I

1323
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 3: can't drink people's blood, so I've got to get injections

1324
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 3: of this serum, whatever this is. And there's generally concern

1325
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 3: in the movies, like we hear from Whistler that he's

1326
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 3: building up a tolerance for the serum and it's not

1327
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 3: working as well as it used to, and he's got

1328
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 3: to find a solution. Meanwhile, Karen, who the hematologists who

1329
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: they brought back, she like witnesses them talking about all

1330
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 3: this and witnesses Blade getting a dose of his serum,

1331
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 3: and finally, and she's a little bit freaked out, but

1332
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,879
Speaker 3: finally like they explain everything to her. Whistler introduces himself.

1333
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 3: His name is Abraham Whistler. Of course, this is the

1334
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: scene where he's lighting a cigarette while he's pumping gas

1335
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: into the Blade mobile, and Whistler kind of gives her

1336
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 3: like a vampires one oh one. It's like they're called

1337
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 3: Hominus nocturna. And we find that Whistler and Blade hunt them.

1338
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 3: They follow their movements, they go from city to city.

1339
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 3: And she says, oh, so do you use crosses? And

1340
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: they say, no, crosses do not work. They're very pointed

1341
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 3: about this. They say vampires are allergic to silver and

1342
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 3: garlic and to sunlight, specifically UV rays. By the way,

1343
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 3: Whistler has rigged up a UV flashlight that I guess

1344
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: they can shine at vampires to hurt them. And though

1345
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 3: one thing in this movie is that apparently vampires are

1346
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 3: fine going out in the daytime if they just put

1347
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 3: sunscreen on this is literally a plot point, and I'm like,

1348
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: why don't they just do that all the time.

1349
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 5: Then I guess it's a lot of sunscreen's oily, you know.

1350
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I know I know that I don't like

1351
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: the feeling of sunscreen either, But I mean, if you're

1352
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 3: the other option.

1353
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 5: Is a responsible thing to do.

1354
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so they explained to Karen and

1355
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: they're like, look, you got to get out of town.

1356
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 3: Now that you've been exposed to the vampires. They're going

1357
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 3: to be on the hunt for you. And she thinks

1358
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 3: she can go to the police, but nope, vampires own

1359
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 3: the police apparently, and Whistler gives her vampire mace, which

1360
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: is a spray canister of garlic and colloidal silver. So

1361
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 3: she's I think she's going to go off and do

1362
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 3: her own thing. Oh and then in the meantime, we

1363
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: get a really funny scene with Udo Kier and Frost

1364
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 3: where like Udo Kier goes into the I don't know,

1365
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 3: the vampire computer bank, the archives, I guess, and he

1366
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 3: walks in and Frost is in there with like a

1367
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: laptop running doing all kind of weird AI stuff, these

1368
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 3: like glyphs, and and he's like, you're using a computer

1369
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 3: to decipher the ancient text, you fool. The ancient text

1370
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: can never be translated. You wouldn't even understand them. And

1371
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 3: Frost is just petulantly like and then I think one

1372
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: of them does, does Udo Kier slap Frost in the face?

1373
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, this is not at least you know,

1374
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 5: they create the effect of him just really slapping the

1375
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 5: heck out of him, and and Udo has like all

1376
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 5: the veins and his head bulging after he does it.

1377
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 5: It's it's it's very nice. It's a good slap.

1378
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: But then Blade drops Karen off in the city and

1379
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 3: he is a reckless driver. He is not he is

1380
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 3: not respecting pedestrians. So she goes into her building and

1381
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 3: then there's a scene. I thought this was very cool

1382
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: because you know, he's like, keep your eyes open, and

1383
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 3: she's like, but it's daytime. Shouldn't I be safe now

1384
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 3: at least? But she goes into her building and then

1385
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: she gets into the elevator and she notices that there

1386
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 3: are people in the elevator who have these weird tattoos

1387
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: on the back of their necks, these little square glyphs.

1388
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 5: Uh.

1389
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 3: And I really liked this scene. I think I remember

1390
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: this scene from way back when I watched it in

1391
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 3: the day. I was like, oh, wow, it's a big conspiracy,

1392
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 3: you know, It's like there are humans who are in

1393
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,839
Speaker 3: on it. Of course, we find out that the humans

1394
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 3: with the glyphs on their necks are vampire familiars, like

1395
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 3: they belong to a particular vampire and they do work

1396
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 3: for them during the daytime or in other you know,

1397
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 3: other things vampires can't do, and they're hoping that if

1398
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 3: they are a good familiar, the vampire will there. They're

1399
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 3: they're they're appointed vampire will eventually turn them. Just a

1400
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 3: major theme also in what we do in the Shadows.

1401
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is this is classic vamp stuff. I mean,

1402
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 5: I guess I was. This was this a deal that

1403
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 5: was in place in Dracula between Renfield and his lordship.

1404
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: I do not recall what was in it for Renfield.

1405
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 5: I mean, he was in it for the bugs and

1406
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 5: the glory, uh or yeah, but uh, beyond that, I

1407
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 5: don't remember if there was any cause it's it's become

1408
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 5: such a frequent trope of the vampire familiar relationship and

1409
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 5: fiction that I honestly can't remember if it's in Dracula

1410
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 5: or not.

1411
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't say. Well so anyway, so Karen goes

1412
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 3: back to her apartment, she gets a visit from a

1413
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: police officer. He's like, Hi, I'm Officer Krieger. For a second,

1414
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: I thought this guy was Matthew Perry from Friends, but no,

1415
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 3: it's it's just a guy who kind of looks like him.

1416
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 3: This is also I thought a great scene can probably

1417
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 3: describe what happens here.

1418
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 5: I mean, basically, he has a a it seems like

1419
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 5: he has a plausible story. He's like, yeah, your front

1420
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 5: door was open. You're a coworker said you're missing, you

1421
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 5: were kidnapped, so I'm just checking in on you. And

1422
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 5: then it becomes but we quickly realize, oh, this guy's

1423
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 5: also a familiar. He's here, he's up to no good.

1424
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 5: But then Blade shows up and proceeds to beat the

1425
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 5: crap out of this cop for like six solid minutes

1426
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 5: of film time.

1427
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and he's like, you work for this Glyph says

1428
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 3: you belong to Deacon Frost. We've been tracking Frost for

1429
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 3: a long time. And they find out that this is

1430
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 3: transporting blood for a vampire owned blood bank, which that

1431
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 3: was an LOL moment. For me, it was like, oh

1432
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 3: my god, the vampires owned blood banks. Brilliant.

1433
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 5: Of course they did, ye, They're involved in everything, and

1434
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 5: of course they're going to own the blood banks.

1435
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 3: And I love how in the scene right after this,

1436
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 3: Blade gets away with beating up a uniformed police officer

1437
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 3: in the streets and nobody cares. But then the cop

1438
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: gets away, like he runs off, and Karen's a little

1439
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 3: upset that she was used as bait, but she decides, well, okay,

1440
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 3: at this point, I just got to stick with Blade.

1441
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 3: It's the only way I'm going to survive long enough

1442
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 3: to find a cure for a vampire bite. So they

1443
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: stake out the familiars police car, and then when he

1444
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 3: finally comes back, they tail him to a vampire club,

1445
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 3: and there's there's a great part where Frost like he

1446
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: goes into the club after him because they're trying to

1447
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 3: find the I don't know, the archives or the secret place,

1448
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: and he's like, give Frost a message from me, tell

1449
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 3: him it's open season on all suck heads. So was

1450
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 3: that line in the script or did Snipes make that up?

1451
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 5: I don't know. I vaguely remember there being some ad libs.

1452
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 5: I think maybe some of the more famous bladisms are

1453
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 5: the creation of Snipes himself, so I'm not sure.

1454
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, Frost is throwing a party in his penthouse,

1455
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: but he's not partying. He's busy translating the ancient texts

1456
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 3: like Udokier told him not to do. So he's got

1457
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 3: his Apple laptop really really burning the CPU and it

1458
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 3: finally finishes translating and the translation. I didn't understand how

1459
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 3: this would work at all, but the translation appears to

1460
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 3: somehow construct a virtual reality environment of like a machine

1461
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 3: that would be used in a vampire ritual.

1462
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 5: Well, vampires at the day access to those really advanced MacBooks. Yeah,

1463
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 5: so okay, you know they were working with tech that

1464
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 5: we didn't have yet.

1465
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 3: But here also we see Quinn is back. You know,

1466
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 3: he's regenerated, he grows back the limbs, he's lost and stuff,

1467
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 3: though he still looks kind of nasty. And the cop

1468
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 3: shows up to be like, oh, I got some bad news,

1469
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, Blades onto you and then Frost. Frost just

1470
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: kills the cop and they're like, okay, we got to

1471
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: get Blade alive. So in the next scene, there is

1472
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 3: the next scene I thought was really unpleasant there's this

1473
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 3: like big immobile jab of the Hut type vampire who

1474
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:38,480
Speaker 3: they who blade and Karen torture with a UV flashlight

1475
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 3: in order to get information out of him. And I

1476
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 3: found this scene really nasty.

1477
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, because the vampire, who we learn its name is

1478
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 5: Pearl comes off is really more to be pitied than

1479
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 5: to be blamed. So it really feels like kind of

1480
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 5: a mean spirited scene that that also doesn't really I

1481
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 5: don't know. Evidently they had to come and get information

1482
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 5: from somebody. This is a the you know, find an

1483
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 5: informant sequence in the investigation, but I don't know it

1484
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 5: would have it seems like it would have worked better

1485
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 5: had Pearl been doing anything other than just setting around

1486
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 5: looking at a computer.

1487
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 3: And I was also like, why is he a different

1488
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 3: type of creature than the other vampires? Like we didn't

1489
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 3: we don't see any other vampires who were like, I

1490
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 3: don't know what whatever this type of vampire is.

1491
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean I'm all for there being you know,

1492
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 5: multiple vampire species and you know, go go go entirely

1493
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 5: vampire the masquerade on this business by all means, but yeah,

1494
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 5: none of it's actually.

1495
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,520
Speaker 3: Explained well anyway, So the vampire screams about how Lamagra

1496
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 3: is coming, the spirits of the Twelve will awaken, will

1497
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 3: awaken the Blood God, and they so that they discover

1498
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 3: Blade and Karen discovered this back room with the Book

1499
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 3: of Erebus, which they call the Vampire Bible, so it's,

1500
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: you know, get they're getting the backstory, They're they're learning

1501
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 3: what's going on. But then big fight breaks out because

1502
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: of course Quinn is back, all his all his goons

1503
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 3: are there with big fight scene, and you think Blade

1504
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: is actually done for they like pin him down, how's

1505
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 3: he going to get out of this? But then it's

1506
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 3: DIOSX Whistler Chris Christofferson shows up and saves the day.

1507
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 5: Right before Whistler shows up, there's some great gloating from Quinn,

1508
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 5: including this scene where he pulls off his glove and

1509
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 5: shows off his mostly regenerated monster hand, which is a

1510
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 5: little bit floppy and grotesque. Great sequence. Another great scene

1511
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 5: for Quinn to shine.

1512
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 3: So this is another big action sequence that the fight

1513
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 3: eventually leads off into a subway tunnel next to a

1514
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: moving train which must be like six miles long, by

1515
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: the way, because it's just constantly going by forever. Once again,

1516
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: Blade beats Quinn with Karen's help. This time she like

1517
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 3: stabs in with Blade's sword and helps out on the fight.

1518
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 5: And they also cut off the other hand this time.

1519
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And then Quinn runs away and they escape.

1520
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: Blade and Karen escape by hopping onto the subway train.

1521
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 3: Oh and Karen, he pays a favor from earlier. So

1522
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 3: earlier in the movie, her shoulders dislocated and Blade pops

1523
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 3: it back into place. In this scene, his shoulders dislocated

1524
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 3: and she pops it back into place. So you know,

1525
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: I pop and you pop.

1526
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 5: There you go.

1527
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 3: So here we get a more backstory. There's exposition about,

1528
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 3: you know, how Blade ended up the way he is,

1529
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 3: how Whistler gives a sermon sort of on how Blade works.

1530
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,879
Speaker 3: He says, you know, I found him when he was thirteen.

1531
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 3: He was drinking blood. We also get Whistler's backstory. We

1532
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 3: learned that his family was tragically killed by vampires and

1533
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 3: he's been hunting vampires ever since. And he says, you know,

1534
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 3: we fight them, but it's just getting worse. There's something

1535
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: going on in the vampire ranks, and Frost is behind it.

1536
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 3: So they're trying to understand the hidden politics within the

1537
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 3: vampire organization. The basic things we learn about Blade are that,

1538
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,879
Speaker 3: you know, he has some vampire attributes but not others

1539
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 3: because his mother was bitten right before he was born,

1540
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 3: so he like can go out in the daytime, and

1541
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 3: he has the super strength of the vampire, so you

1542
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 3: think it's like the best of both worlds. But he

1543
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,839
Speaker 3: also does need blood and that's like the seerum problem

1544
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 3: that we learned about earlier. There was a very funny

1545
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: soul searching scene that came after this. He says like,

1546
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm not human and Karen says you look human to me,

1547
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 3: and he says humans don't drink blood, and then she's like,

1548
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 3: you know that was a long time ago. Maybe you

1549
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 3: need to let that go. You know, you haven't drank

1550
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: blood for quite some time. So at this point, I think,

1551
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 3: I think my summary's got to become much more cursory.

1552
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: So oh, there's a great moment back at the vampire

1553
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 3: compound where Quinn is back after the fight. His face

1554
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: is all torn up because Blade held his face against

1555
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 3: the passing train. He's also got a missing hand again,

1556
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: and like their vampire buddies there in the room are

1557
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: just like chewing on his stump and he's.

1558
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 5: Cut that out. Yeah, he's supposed to be banging his

1559
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 5: hand or something, and that they can't. Hell, it is

1560
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 5: like a dog, right, just has to has to have

1561
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 5: a bite.

1562
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: But they talked more about well, we got to we

1563
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 3: gotta take Blade a lot. Oh, and then we see

1564
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 3: them make moves against the Board of Directors of Vampires.

1565
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: They take Udo Kier out to the beach for execution

1566
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 3: by sunrise, which is has some kind of bad looking

1567
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 3: special effects, but I also kind of liked him.

1568
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a weird special effects sequence because it's not

1569
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 5: it doesn't feel completely cgi. It almost has kind of

1570
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 5: a stop motion quality to it. It's any He kind

1571
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 5: of smolders, then kind of melts, and then kind of

1572
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 5: petrifies and then explodes, So yeah, fit it all in.

1573
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Karen has been doing some hematology science, so she's

1574
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: working on a cure for herself and for Blade. The

1575
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 3: Blade will end up not taking it in the end

1576
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 3: because not only it would cure his need for blood,

1577
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 3: but it would also make him lose his superpowers, and

1578
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 3: in the end he's like, no, I gotta fight vampires,

1579
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 3: so sorry. But she's able to cure herself, and she

1580
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 3: figures out that an anticoagulant called ed Ta makes vampire

1581
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: blood explode. So she makes a bunch of injectors of

1582
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: this stuff for Blade, and there are some glorious vampire

1583
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: pump up explosions later on.

1584
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely glorious.

1585
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 3: Yes, let's see. So a few other scenes to mention.

1586
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 3: There's a scene where Blade goes into the city for serum,

1587
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: but then Frost shows up like he's just standing in

1588
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 3: a park, it's lathered in sunblock, it is daytime, but

1589
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 3: he's got a human hostage, and then he gives Blade

1590
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 3: the whole weird not so different you and I speech.

1591
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 3: He's like, why don't you join us?

1592
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you're gonna You're gonna make Blade switch sides.

1593
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 5: This is Blade after all. So Crost is totally trying

1594
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 5: to ice Skate Uphill in the scene.

1595
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 3: Right and then, but so, yeah, that does not go

1596
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 3: as Frost planned, though. Frost does try to execute his

1597
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: human child hostage and Blade saves the kid's life. So Blade,

1598
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 3: Blade is kind of harsh, like he doesn't show a

1599
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 3: lot of niceness or compassion, but he does come through

1600
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 3: in a pinch and help the humans out.

1601
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's a nice, purely superhero move and a reminder

1602
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 5: that Blade is a superhero and he still has that humanity,

1603
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 5: especially after you know the previous sequences where a lot

1604
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 5: of it is about the struggle for his humanity and

1605
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 5: is he slipping, is he doomed to fall into the night,

1606
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 5: you know, with these vampires and so forth.

1607
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 3: But whoops, while Blade was out in the city, outrunning errands,

1608
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 3: the vampires attacked the hideout and they kidnapped Karen, and

1609
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 3: oh no, Whistler has been turned. And so there's a

1610
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 3: scene where, well you think Whistler kills himself because he's

1611
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 3: going to turn into a vampire. Apparently that doesn't take

1612
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 3: and he's back in the sequel.

1613
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, the screenplay tried to kill him, but

1614
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 5: you can't keep a great character down. So yeah, he's

1615
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 5: back for the sequel. Don't worry about him, even though

1616
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 5: it does seem like he is tortured nearly to death

1617
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 5: and then forced to take his own life.

1618
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 3: But here, from this point out, it's just like showdowns

1619
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 3: until the end. So you know, Blade attacks the penthouse

1620
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 3: where he meets his mom, who it turns out how

1621
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 3: she's been alive this whole time because she was turned

1622
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: into a vampire and now she's bad. So you think

1623
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 3: it's going to be nice that he meets her, but

1624
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 3: she's like, well, no, I'm a vampire now, and when

1625
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 3: you become a vampire you become evil. So I'm evil

1626
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 3: and I don't like you.

1627
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, And just talking about it here, you might think, well,

1628
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 5: is it was it necessary for Blade to become Hamlet

1629
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 5: for a little bit in this film? And it might

1630
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 5: sound like it's unnecessary, but like beat by beat, I

1631
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 5: feel like this part of the narrative is also really

1632
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 5: important to break up the action and really propel things forward.

1633
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so Blade is captured by Frost's vampire army,

1634
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 3: and Frost is going to use Blade's half vampire blood

1635
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 3: for a ritual, which is going to summon the Blood

1636
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: God or turn Frost into the Blood God, I think.

1637
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 3: And so Blade is imprisoned and then you do the ritual.

1638
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: Blade is saved by Karen. They try to execute Karen

1639
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 3: by throwing her into a zombie pit. Apparently sometimes when

1640
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,879
Speaker 3: you bite a human, they don't turn into a vampire.

1641
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 3: Instead they turn into a zombie. And it's hey, it's

1642
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 3: her old friend, her old ex boyfriend, the doctor who's

1643
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 3: got the beatle haircut. He's a zombie now, and he

1644
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 3: tries to eat her in a pit, but she escapes,

1645
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 3: and then she saves the day. She like unlocks Blade's

1646
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 3: cage and gets him out so he can oh oh oh.

1647
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 3: And then she's also like, you need to drink my

1648
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: blood to regain your strength so you can fight all

1649
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 3: the bad guys.

1650
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 5: And this is exactly how it goes down. Blade proceeds

1651
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 5: to just absolutely womp all underlings within reach. And this

1652
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 5: is a this is a whole sequence where you know

1653
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 5: it's great martial arts action, but there's certainly some intended

1654
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 5: martial arts physical humor in this. And I'm sure there's

1655
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 5: a name for this in Hong Kong cinema that I'm

1656
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 5: just not aware of. But like, Blade is just taken

1657
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 5: out lack, He's left and right, and it all reaches

1658
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 5: a fever pitch for me. When Blade has he's downed

1659
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 5: a vampire underling, perhaps a vampire, I think it's a vampire,

1660
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 5: and then proceeds to kick the vampire multiple times with

1661
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 5: both feet in the groin, and then finally kicks the

1662
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 5: vampire so hard in the groin that the vampire flies

1663
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 5: up onto his feet again and then he states him

1664
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,440
Speaker 5: or something. It's marvelous.

1665
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are parts that kind of remind me of

1666
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 3: like the the physical comedy within the fight choreography that

1667
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 3: you see in like some Jackie Chan movies.

1668
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 5: And and in all this we also dispense with some

1669
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 5: of the underlings. Mercury gets taken out by Karen. She

1670
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 5: sprays her in the mouth with the garlic silver stuff

1671
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,799
Speaker 5: in her head explodes. Quinn has A has a wonderful

1672
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 5: death sequence where basically at the very start of the

1673
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 5: battle he jumps at Blade and it's like, I'm going

1674
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 5: to take you out, and Blade beheads him with a

1675
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: with a like a zip line. It's pretty great.

1676
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. In fact, when he when he immediately takes

1677
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: up Quin, it's very much like the scene in Raiders

1678
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 3: of the Lost Ark where Indy pulls out the revolver.

1679
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, okay, that's that's done.

1680
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, Olie catches the shades, puts them on, and then

1681
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:10,440
Speaker 5: it's yeah.

1682
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 3: Oh because because Donald Logue stole his his sunglasses, which

1683
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 3: is you do not take Blade sunglasses.

1684
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the final straw. U.

1685
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 3: There is a weird scene where Blade has to stake

1686
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 3: his mom, but he explains that He's like, I'm setting

1687
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 3: you free. I'm releasing you because it's not really her

1688
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Speaker 3: anymore because she's a vampire. Is that That's how I

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01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 3: read that?

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Speaker 5: But now it's really it's just final showdown. It is.

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01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 5: It's Frost versus Blade, except Frost isn't quite Frost anymore

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01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 5: because he's managed to pull off this ceremony, this ritual.

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01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 5: There's kind of like a kind of like a Raiders

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01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 5: of the Lost Ark esque soul capture and absorption of

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01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 5: the vampire CGI souls, and now Frost is La Maagra.

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01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 5: Frost has these superhuman blood vampire powers and he might

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01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 5: just be too much for Blade to take out.

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01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a scene where Blade like cuts from aust

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01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 3: in half, but then the blood jumps out of his

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01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 3: two halves and like grabs itself and pulls him back together.

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01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 3: So he's it's destructible now.

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01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, Blade goes to say the f and he

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01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 5: can't say the F out loud. He has to mount

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01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:14,879
Speaker 5: the f instead.

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01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,759
Speaker 3: In the end, though, how do you defeat the blood god? Well,

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01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 3: how about some anti coagulant?

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01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so yeah, that Finally, there's some wonderful uh

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01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 5: drama in the fight involving having to get a hold

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01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 5: of those those vials of the of the anticagulant. Blade

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01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 5: is able to get it and stabs Frost with one

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01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 5: of these vials and then proceeds to just pelt him

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01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 5: with the vials, like a dozen of these vials are

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01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 5: now stuck in Frost, filling him with the stuff, and

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01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 5: we get a wonderful like hyper bloat and explode scene

1715
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 5: and a wonderful bladeism from Blade himself where he tells

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01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 5: us that some mother efforts are always trying to ice

1717
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 5: Skate up hill. You can, we can discoutiful back and

1718
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 5: forth what it means, but you don't even have to.

1719
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 5: It's clear what it means. It's all in the context.

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01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 5: It's one of the greatest lines in cinematic history.

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01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 3: It's like poetry. Okay, I think that's everything I have

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01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 3: to say about Blade.

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01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, What else can you say except you know,

1724
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 5: they imply at the end that there will be more Blade,

1725
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 5: and lo and behold there was more Blade and lo

1726
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 5: and behold, they'll there will be more Blade because we

1727
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,679
Speaker 5: know now that maherschela Ali is going to play Blade

1728
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 5: in an upcoming Marvel Cinematic Universe film, and uh yeah,

1729
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 5: I think this is terrific casting. With Delroy Lindo in

1730
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 5: it as well, I can't help but wonder if he's

1731
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 5: going to play the new Whistler. I have other questions

1732
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 5: as well, like are we going to have to put

1733
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 5: up with scenes of where Blade is hanging out with

1734
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 5: doctor Strange or are they going to let it be

1735
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 5: mostly its own world? Are they going to let Blade

1736
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 5: say the F in this? I have no idea?

1737
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, can you make an R rated MCU film?

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01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 3: I don't I don't really know anything about that.

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01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't it like sometimes they say, Okay, you can

1740
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 5: say the F X number of times. I can still

1741
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 5: not have an R. But can you ask Blade? Can

1742
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 5: you limit Blade in that fashion? I don't know.

1743
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 3: M Okay, Well, I guess I got to see the

1744
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 3: other older Blade movies first. I'm kind of exciting. I mean,

1745
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 3: I like my herschel Ali, but but it's also hard

1746
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: for me to imagine anybody but Wesley Snipes in this role.

1747
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 3: It's like, as we were saying earlier, it just is

1748
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 3: identical to him the actor.

1749
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. It is very hard to imagine anyone

1750
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 5: other than Snipes, but I think Ali could do it.

1751
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 5: I think he has he has the acting chops, he

1752
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 5: has the physicality, and I think I read that he

1753
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 5: got Snipes his blessing. So oh okay, we'll see. But

1754
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 5: who knows, maybe Snipes will be in it. Maybe Snipes

1755
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 5: will be the new whistler. Now that would be something.

1756
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 3: Oooh okay, I don't know.

1757
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 5: We'll see how it develops. All right, all right, we're

1758
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 5: gonna go ahead and close the casket on this one.

1759
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 5: Oh we didn't even talk about the cool space age

1760
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 5: caskets ahead in this the sleeping caskets. But anyway, we're

1761
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 5: gonna go and close the casket on this one. We're

1762
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 5: gonna go and put a stake in it. But we'd

1763
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 5: love to hear from everyone out there who has thoughts

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01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 5: on Blade, this movie, Blade, other Blade films, films from

1765
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 5: this era right in, we would love to hear from you.

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