1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Calls media. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the thing. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 3: The following podcast you were about to listen to was 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 3: recorded while there was a good amount of information that 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: has not been revealed or that we don't actually know. 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 3: This podcast you about to hear, and the attempt to 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: explain a position or an emotional state is not, which 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure is obvious to you necessarily. Where I stand, 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: I'm not giving us any particular advice. I think it's 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: grossly immature to police someone's emotions, especially around something as 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: visceral as a public execution. However, the said person who 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: got publicly executed said we should bring back public executions, 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: which therein lies the issue. So this is not about 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: telling you how to feel about the death of a 15 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: deeply racist man. 16 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: That's not about that. 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: It's also not about humanizing a person who went out 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: of his way to dehumanize people like me and my 19 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: queer and trans brothers and sisters. 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: This ain't about that. 21 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: I'm also not going to run up any receipts about 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: this man, because his receipts are so self evident. 23 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: There are so many things. 24 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: Somebody, somebody with that many greatest hits of horrible things 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: to say you don't need to lie about them. 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: So it's not so. 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: Much i'm telling you you feeling bad for not feeling 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: no remorse. I'm also not telling you that if you 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: feel remorse, that you need to turn in your black cart. 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: That's not what I'm trying to say right now. The 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: following podcast is about the nuance, is about what about both. 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: So I'm speaking to the people that might feel conflicted. 33 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: I'm speaking to. 34 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: People who may feel that they had some sort of 35 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: warm feelings towards Charlie Kirk, which I'm pretty sure are 36 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 3: not my core audience, because, my lord, I just I 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: don't see any redeemable sentences that have come out this 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: man's mouth. This is about a visceral human emotion and 39 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: about empathy, an empathy that this man apparently was against. 40 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: So that's what we're about to experience. And since we've 41 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: been recorded this, and I feel like only other people 42 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: who experience being in a marginal group understand this. A 43 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: sense of relief that the little boy that they found 44 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: that assassinated this man was lily white, like I mean, 45 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: was a. 46 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: Just man as white. 47 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: I'm talking raisins in potato salad, white hight that shot 48 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: that boy Mormon white like I was like, that's a 49 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: white boy, you know. So the things that I'm going 50 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: to talk about in the complications and feeling conflicted about 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: this might be a person that you might relate to 52 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: and my love, but also you have to reckon with 53 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: the fact that that man is deeply wrong. 54 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: That's what you're about to experience. You feel me. 55 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: It's just about the complications of emotions. And what I'm 56 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: trying to say is there's not a one to one, 57 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: but just I understand being conflicted. But here's my encouragement. 58 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: You gotta deal with it. My baby ain't never heard nobody. Actually, yeah, yeah, 59 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: my baby ain't never heard nobody is a colloquial distilling 60 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: down of the quote from like Grandma and them at 61 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: the Little Gangster's funeral. It's the cry of a mother 62 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: who has, you know, lost their baby to the streets. 63 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: The quote I'm pulling from specifically is from the I 64 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: mean it's really old, like I was a child during 65 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: like a really young child. We're all in the same gang, 66 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: don't you know. 67 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: We got to putts to get that. 68 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: There was a time in the in the eighties late 69 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: eighties when hip hop decided that crack was stupid and 70 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: that people needed to not do that, and a song 71 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: called self Destruction where it's just like the idea that like, how. 72 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Could you old school. 73 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: Rappers were, you know, understanding what like you know, cocaine 74 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: and crack was doing in our streets and was trying 75 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: to like teach the younglings to not do it, you know. 76 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: And obviously that is not. 77 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: The stance hip hopposite now, but there's always has been 78 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: a tone of that within hip hop music. But it's 79 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: a reflection of the complication of what it's like to. 80 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: Grow up in some of are not so are not 81 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: so safe environments. 82 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: And I really think it is moments like this that, man, 83 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: it is hard to say but that the experiences of 84 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: our inner cities separate from I'm saying, I'm trying to 85 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 3: build a very specific metaphor here or comparison can help 86 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: process for America. Right now, My baby ain't never heard nobody. 87 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: This is the inner city counseling session for dealing with 88 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: the amount of death we saw. 89 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Last week politics, y'all. 90 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: So last week was eventful. 91 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: A another school shooting, some Iberian ae babies in Colorado 92 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: was happening, and while that was happening, there was another 93 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: breaking news of another school shooting. Only this school shooting 94 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: was the shooting of right wing influencer activists Charlie Kirk. 95 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: Our culture is conflicted, to say the least, and there 96 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: are a lot of I don't know. I'm recording this 97 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: in the past for you, so I don't know what 98 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: has happened since I know that the things could have 99 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: possibly gotten far worse in terms of what's going on 100 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: in our zygeisten in our communities. As of this point, 101 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: I don't I have no awareness of who might have 102 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: been the perpetrator. I expressed on Friday my fears that 103 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: it might have been. If it is somebody black, or 104 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: Muslim or trans that means that there's somewhat of an 105 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: or an immigrant, or anyone that's not a white man, 106 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: there will be a target on said group's head. That's 107 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: what I'm concerned about, because that's kind of how it 108 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: always goes. Because of the shooter was just a white 109 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 3: boyd he was either liberal or deranged. You know, there 110 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: was a trove of Trump memorabilia and passion towards the 111 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: right in the possession of the young man that tried 112 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: to assassinate Donald Trump, And then we notice, how don't 113 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: nobody talk about that no more? Because sometimes it'd be 114 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: one of your own, you know. But he's dead now, 115 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. I'm not I'm saying that to 116 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: be very sarcastic here, but I do think that there 117 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: is a couple things we can take away from this. 118 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 3: This episode is more about raw motions. This episode ain't 119 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: about policies, per se. It's a political show, but you know, 120 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: raw motions sometimes turn into political violence. 121 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: Right. 122 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: My brother got fired from MSNBC for saying, you know, 123 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: hateful thoughts create hateful speech, would create a hateful actions, 124 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: you know, which some would feel is you know, victim blaming. 125 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: But I want to step back here and talk about 126 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: the metaphor. First, I can personally attest in my own 127 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: life of leaning over the casket of my own loved ones, 128 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: my own cousins, one of my uncles per se. 129 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, not per se. He's absolutely one of my uncles. 130 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: But the per se is like, we actually didn't get 131 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: to see the funeral he was buried. We had a 132 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: small service with me and my dad and with a 133 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: couple family. 134 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: Members, but my uncle was. 135 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he was just not a stand up guy. 136 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: It just it is what it is. I loved him, 137 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: He's blood, but he. 138 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Wasn't a stand up guy. 139 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: I think living in sort of an era where the 140 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: type of like sort of street level violence happens. Now 141 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: as I say this, I'm saying this as somebody who 142 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: people have experienced far worse than me. People have gone 143 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: through more than I have, you know, and a lot 144 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: of times, you know, when we do stuff like this, 145 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: like you don't mean this to disrespect the legacy of 146 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: people actually outside, people who actually experience this gang violence. 147 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: I'm talking about being closely related to it. And this 148 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: is our experience where Mom, Grandma, you're leaning over the 149 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: casket with a knowledge that you deeply love this person. 150 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 3: When you deeply love a person, there's this inner conflict 151 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: of feeling like there is still the consequences of their actions. 152 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 3: No one ever truly asked to be shot unless they 153 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: ask to be shot, No one ever does that. 154 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: This is not what I'm saying. 155 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: But what I am saying is there are things that 156 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 3: we used to tell little young shooters, right, little y ens, 157 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: if you will, like, hey man, you know you you 158 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: you talk real tough for somebody that that ain't bulletproof. 159 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: You know, you keep talking that that gang. It's all 160 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: fun and games when you when you, you know, taking 161 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 3: over a one of the corners, doing your little burnout sessions. 162 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like flying your flag? You 163 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: feel me like, you know, you stay down right, Like 164 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: somebody ask you where you're from, you you tell them 165 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: where you're from. You know what I'm saying, like, this 166 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 3: is what you signed up for. You signed up for 167 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: a very particular life that always has consequences. 168 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: So when we say, hey, litt hummy, like. 169 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 3: Someone's gonna take you serious, right, someone You're gonna talk 170 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: like that, You're gonna be waving that flag, somebody's gonna 171 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: gonna test your metal. We say that out of not 172 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: not because you want your loved one to shut up, 173 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: per se. It's out of an act of mercy. It's 174 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: a desire to say the recklessness of your actions. You 175 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: are old enough to make your own decisions. Sometimes they 176 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: not odd enough to make your decisions, but you have 177 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: signed up to join into something where someone is going 178 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 3: to take you at your word, and oftentimes that means 179 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: you're going to lose your life. And in our experience, 180 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: I'm welling up because I'm thinking about my own family. 181 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: You have to hold both of those things to be true. 182 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: You don't believe anyone deserves to die. A victim is 183 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: still a victim. The bullet that went through for me 184 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: went through my family member's body on one of the scenarios. 185 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: Another scenario is just choosing the life that this family 186 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: member chose, although he later on got out of it, 187 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 3: had wrecked his biology so bad that the level of stress, 188 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: the choices he's made, the fear he lived under even 189 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: after he was out that life. You know, the bruised relationships, 190 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: you know, the complicated relationships he's had with his own children. 191 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: You know, my who are like my second cousins, who 192 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: they at the end of the day, that's they daddy. 193 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. The choices he's made in 194 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: and out of jail, whatever the case the case may be, 195 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: this person is still my cousin. I am deeply still 196 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: feeling the rawness of this is years ago. I'm still 197 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: feeling the rawness of that loss, you know, and looking 198 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: at my auntie and my particular auntie you know who 199 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: is his mother, who, like I mean to this day, 200 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: has issues with her sisters, you know over this particular cousin, 201 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: that feeling of you wanting to protect their legacy because 202 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: while also knowing you understand what I'm saying that Like, 203 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: I don't know these people personally, but I know that 204 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: my cousin family members have ruined the lives of many people. 205 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: I know this for a fact. 206 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: Because of the way that he lived his life. Now 207 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: why he lived his life that way is a totally 208 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: different conversation. That's not the metaphor I'm looking for. He 209 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: might have been a true he might have actually believed 210 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: that this was the best choice for his family given 211 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: the circumstances that he grew up in. That might have 212 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: been his position. I can't speak to that, and that's 213 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the repast. 214 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the funeral. I'm talking about us mourning 215 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: the loss of our level. It'd be so twisted in 216 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: the hood. Sometimes, man, it'd be like it'd be dudes 217 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: in the back know exactly who killed this person? You 218 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, you know? Or sometimes it'd be 219 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: as crazy as like, look, sometimes it's the streets, like 220 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: niggas die every day, and then thinking sometimes dudes be 221 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: in the block, in the in the in the funeral, 222 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: be the shooter, and that person is there just to 223 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: make sure. 224 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: That person really dead, because they're. 225 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: Double checking because that person in that grave may have 226 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: killed Dahomie. It's complicated, but the instinct of the family 227 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: is to say, my baby ain't never heard nobody but granny, 228 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: yes he has. 229 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: Now. 230 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: What is not being said is therefore he should have died. 231 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: That's not what's being said. What is being said is 232 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: you have to live with both. You have to live 233 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: with the reality that while I'm mourning the loss of 234 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: my family member, I am not celebrating his life. I 235 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 3: have very fond memories of the three cousins that I'm 236 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: thinking of. I have very fond memories of them, of 237 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 3: them being very loving to me. 238 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: What I'm scary, I ain't. 239 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: Gonna hold you like he just yeah, just that type 240 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: of voice, and like, you know, just you know, some 241 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: people like I'm actually like that too. Some people just loud, 242 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: Like you know, I feel like, in relation to my family, 243 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: I'm not that loud, but some people just their room, 244 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: their voice just pierces the sound in the room. So 245 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: he was that, you know what I'm saying of one 246 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: of these, I mean, like these people like they why 247 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: love you know, hip hop. I remember, like, you know, 248 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 3: sitting on a porch with him while they was talking 249 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: today homies and just kind of being like a little 250 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: nervous because I knew that, like because I'm a lot 251 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: younger than my cousins, but like I knew that, like 252 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: the some of the dudes he was talking to outside 253 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: on the porch while I was just you know, playing 254 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: my littlehigh wheels. It was like some some scary dudes, 255 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: you know. But one particular cousin just had like just 256 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: his smile, like he just had like the greatest, greatest smile. 257 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: Him and my sister were very close. They like, uh 258 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 3: because of like like I said, like I mean, there's 259 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: a lot of like personal stuff, but like because but 260 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 3: I'm getting where because my since my family since like 261 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: I said, like I'm at the end at the end 262 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: of the tail end of the cousins, Like there's only 263 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: there's three at the end that like I am in 264 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: the group age group of and then there's like a 265 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: middle group that are like five to six years older 266 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 3: than me, and then there's another group that like ten 267 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: years older than you know what I'm saying. So my 268 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: parents kind of had me kind of late. Uh, but 269 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: my sister was in that middle group. So she was 270 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: the baby for all of my oldest cousins and the 271 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: ones that were in that the upper edges of that 272 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: of that oldest cousin group, like a handful of them. 273 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: Like God in the life, there's a there's another cousin 274 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: who completely reformed his life, who. 275 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: Went away. 276 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 3: Our family says he was on vacation for a while. 277 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: When I went on vacation, you know what I'm saying, 278 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: we saw when he was locked up. Who is a 279 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: one of the most gentle, loving, sweet kind men that 280 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: I like, I actually admire. You know, I actually don't 281 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: know the goon version of him. I don't know that version. 282 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 3: You know again, I'm so much younger than him, but 283 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 3: I don't know that version. Version I know is just 284 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 3: this is like, is my big cousin. He's just so gentle, 285 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like so kind. He you know, 286 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: he did what he had to do. He got out, 287 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: he moved away, started a new life, He raised his families, 288 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: working man, you know what I'm saying, Like like he 289 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: did what he had to do. But even he knows 290 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: there was, like you know, consequences for his choices. 291 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: But he's what you hope. 292 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: He is what you hope. He made his choices, he 293 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: served his time. Yeah he's gonna have to live with that, 294 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 3: but he's truly a different man. 295 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: That's what you hope. 296 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: You feel me so, but when you're looking, but when 297 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: you at the repast is a very black phrase. Eating 298 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: your fried chicken because for some reason that's what we 299 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: always do. You order and it's not even like you 300 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: ain't make it at home, like you order. 301 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: That fried chicken. 302 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: You feel me like I feel like I could see 303 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: a plate. Somebody took a picture of a plate of food, 304 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: and it's also food. 305 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: I could tell you if it's if it's black stuff. 306 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: I can tell you if it's Christmas, Thanksgiving or repass 307 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: because I don't know, just the plate looks different right anyway, 308 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: These sort of conflictions are things that if you grew 309 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 3: up like. 310 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: We grew up, that we live with, and we have 311 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: been living with. 312 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 3: A reality that we've had to face is that sometimes 313 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 3: dangerous people are deeply loved by somebody else and are 314 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 3: both victims and perpetrators. 315 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: This is a reality. 316 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: Now we could fast forward this to the extreme and 317 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 3: just say, hey, look if you was alive when Hitler 318 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: got shot. You know, some of y'all apparently would be 319 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: trying to like say, I didn't like his ideas, but 320 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 3: you know, a man didn't need to die. We're not 321 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: talking about Hitler. Charlie Kirk can't hit Okay, Charlie Kirk 322 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: is an influencer. Like let's influencer, you know what I'm saying. 323 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: Like he had me actual political power, he had sway 324 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 3: you feel me so like, but he wasn't. He ain't 325 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 3: the president, you know. So I do not want to 326 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 3: add hyperbole to this. I also don't want to sort 327 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: of readjudicate. 328 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: His moves, you know, his choices to really. 329 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: Rage bad and you know, in my opinion, borrow a 330 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: lot of Christian language to say very Unchristian things. And 331 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: I mean, like I said on Friday, look, Pat Robinson, 332 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: James Dobson, there's a lot of men who say they 333 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: Christians who have done irreputable harm to our world. I 334 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: just I don't need to readjudicate that, but I do 335 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: want to say there are very relatable feelings that can 336 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: happen that if you if I could metaphorically say we 337 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: had an inner city board of elders that looked over 338 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: the entirety of the country, we would be able to 339 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 3: share these experiences with you. I first understand the rest 340 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 3: and piss because of the suffering that this man's choices 341 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: has made, but not so much the choices that he's made, 342 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: but also the followers for which were convinced that empathy 343 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: was weakness. But now you need empathy, you know. So 344 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: now we're the monsters, you know what I'm saying, The 345 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: people that are in the rest and piss thing that 346 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: are just like, look, I got no pasis for races, 347 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: no whatsoever. This man was making. This man was making 348 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 3: gen x maga, you know, miss me. 349 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: Altogether. There's that feeling. 350 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: There's also the other feeling of people that like, look, man, 351 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 3: he was doing what he believed to be correct. 352 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: He had a. 353 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: Mandate from God to defend the unborn and to move 354 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 3: our country back from you know, the moral destruction and 355 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: decay that the right wing or the conservative world believes 356 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: were in. 357 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: He was one of the young soldiers. 358 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: There's that, okay, But I think I'm more talking to 359 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 3: those that feel conflicted and have never had to feel 360 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: this type of confliction to where there's a part of 361 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 3: your soul that knows that it's something wrong with us 362 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: that this keeps happening in our nation. That's mourning the 363 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: realities that gun violence is so normal that we didn't 364 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: even have time to process the babies that is so 365 00:25:53,200 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: used to experiencing rage bait, you know, provocateers that there's 366 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: you can have a twelve million dollar industry from yelling 367 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: at stage Asian slurs. I could say, nigga, you know 368 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, but I'm not finna say that the 369 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: one for the Asians to see one, you know what 370 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like there's just too many receipts, you know 371 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 372 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: And those who again. 373 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 3: Who are people of faith that are like, well, he 374 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: but he was a believer and he was fighting for 375 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: you know, there are religious freedom. 376 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 2: You are going to have to square the. 377 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 3: Blatant racism and the stance that empathy was not is 378 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: a weakness? Like is that a modern term that that's 379 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: not a attribute of Christ. You're gonna have to square 380 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: that and then be empathetic. You feel me, Like, that's 381 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: for us who exist in the nuance, who are mourning 382 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: the reality that like, listen, this is fascism. 383 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: We're here. 384 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: This is what I've been trying to This is what 385 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: I mean, gestures wildly to all the cool zoned. 386 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: This is it. This is it. You know what I'm saying. 387 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: For those of us who love history and our people 388 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: of color, we remember our assassinations of our leaders. We 389 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: remember Malcolm X, we remember Martin Luther King. We also 390 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: remember what they stood for. It's quite different for the 391 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 3: dignity of do you understand what I'm saying? So, but 392 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: we also know Martin Luther King was a conflicted individual 393 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: who coped with the ladies. We have to live with that, 394 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: you know, but who desire to live in a world 395 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: where the ideas that Charlie Kirk and his movement were 396 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: pushing forward are not accepted. 397 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: That we don't think that. 398 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 3: If you see a black pilot, you just wonder if 399 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: they're qualified. The questioning Michelle Obama, who didn't hold office 400 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: no lesson you know, Justice Kanji Brown, that she only 401 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 3: got there because affirmative action, which for him means she 402 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: wasn't qualified. Because you know, I don't need to adjudicate 403 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 3: the things. But what I'm saying is, and like you 404 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: we have been so mentioned he was a father and 405 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: a husband. Don't need to card out the obvious rebuttals 406 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: of that, you know, don't need to do that. That's 407 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: not what I'm talking about. Y'all know the rebuttals of that, 408 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: you know. But what I am talking about is the 409 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: reality that like we have been living in this dissonance 410 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: for a very long time, when a very dangerous man 411 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 3: whom you might love deeply has their life taken a 412 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: person for which you you might agree wholeheartedly with, and 413 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: don't understand why somebody else doesn't. And even when that 414 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: other person shows you the receipts you like Grandma at 415 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: the funeral, my baby ain't never hurt nobody. And I 416 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: want you to I want you to say, or I 417 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: want you to understand that. Again, I don't believe anybody, 418 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: especially in this in there, No one should have to 419 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: have seen that. I'm still even thinking about them college students, 420 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: the people there, that they're gonna have to live with 421 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: that site. That was gruesome, Yo, gruesome, And it sucks 422 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 3: because these are the same kids. Oh they've been going 423 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: they school's being shot up, their whole life. 424 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: I just. 425 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 3: I'm saying all this to say, even if this is 426 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 3: a fuck around and find out situation, my heart breaks 427 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: for you because I actually don't want you to find 428 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: out like this. I would have preferred, metaphorically speaking, that 429 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: mister Kirk follows the trajectory metaphorically of my cousin who 430 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 3: realizes that the damaging power of his words and makes 431 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: a change. I would rather see that. I would rather 432 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: see a country that does not rage bait for content, 433 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 3: but really does dialogue with people. And if you are 434 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: having a dialogue that you would have, they would be 435 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: you know, good spirited discussions of good faith, right, I 436 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: mean where you don't move the goalposts, where you do 437 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: accept like, hey, maybe that was too far. Maybe I'm 438 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: you know, skewing these facts. You feel me not just 439 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: trying to dunk on each other. 440 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: We don't, don't. 441 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: I don't want to live in a world like that. 442 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't want to live in a world or Charlie 443 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: Kirk's is are pushed forward. But I also don't want 444 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: to live in a world where you're shot in public. 445 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: I don't want to live in a world like that. 446 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: It's sad. 447 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: I also don't want to live in a world where 448 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: our president chooses which one of these people he gonna 449 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: mourn because he showed ain't fly no flags. Have for 450 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: the Minnesota senators, you know the Department of Health and 451 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: Human Services in Atlanta, somebody unloaded five hundred rounds over there. 452 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: You hear about that story, I know, or the idea 453 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 3: of saying that if anybody says anything wrong about him 454 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: that happens to be an immigrant, you might lose your visa. 455 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: That's that's that's fascist. Don't nobody talk about my baby. 456 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: I get it, though, is what I'm trying to say. 457 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: I get the instinct I want to no, no, no, no, 458 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: y'all keep my baby's name out your mouth. I understand that. 459 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: Here's the thing about your baby, though, So I guess 460 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say is we have all had 461 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 3: to learn how to hold two conflicting ideas in the 462 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: same place. This is what it means to be a 463 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: person of color in America. You hold very opposite things 464 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 3: in the same place at the same time. If you 465 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: don't want to lose your humanity, you just have to 466 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: do that. And doing that in this scenario is saying, 467 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: I mean personally saying you can miss me with the 468 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: he was a Christian thing. I mean, like I said, 469 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 3: I cite to you, James Dobson. 470 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: You know the. 471 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 3: Hurt, the deep damage that that man's teaching has done. 472 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: Also coupled with the way for which he may have 473 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: helped a lot of people. I understand that can't can't 474 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 3: can't can't, can't broad brush it. Just like I said, 475 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: this cousin, Some of these cousins I'm looking over over 476 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: I have very fond memories of. 477 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: But I also know he heard a lot of people. 478 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: He really did. I don't mean I don't love him. 479 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't. 480 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: Nobody's quoting Samuel L. Jackson here, at least I'm not 481 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: quoting Samuel. Lot of people quoting Samuel. Yes, they deserve 482 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 3: to die, and I hope they burning hell. But what 483 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do is be like Samuel L. Jackson 484 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: holding Leonardo DiCaprio in Django. That's what I'm not gonna do. Okay, 485 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: And I think maybe you're the one that's a little 486 00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 3: insensitive if you can't understand why the elective group of trans, queer, black, Latino, 487 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: Asian and everybody else that ain't a middle class white 488 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 3: man but don't have him feelings. 489 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: You know. 490 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: So while I'm not gonna hold that man like Samuel L. 491 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 3: Jackson did, I'm also not gonna go piss on his 492 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 3: grave because that's not who I am. Remember the I 493 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 3: talked about when we talked about the birthright citizenship thing, 494 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: when we said that the Constitution is not about who 495 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 3: you are, it's about who I am. For me, that's 496 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: the G Code. Now, the G code is short for 497 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 3: Gangster code, and I am not a gangster. But I 498 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 3: understand the code and I do live by very a 499 00:34:53,600 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 3: code for myself and for me that's against the code. 500 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 3: My code of conduct is around understanding and peace building. 501 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think because you did, I'm gonna 502 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 3: speak highly of you. That don't absolve you, you feel me. 503 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 3: But just because I don't speak highly of you don't 504 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 3: mean I think you deserve to die. It's two conflicting 505 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: ideas that are actually in pretty good harmony. More and 506 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: with those who mourn and you know, celebrate, with those 507 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 3: who celebrate. I leave you with this For my believers. 508 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 3: When I say believers, I mean like the few Christians 509 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 3: that still rock with me. You know, the beatitudes, Jesus says, 510 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 3: Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy. 511 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: He was not a merciful man. He just wasn't, dude. 512 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: It says, maybe that's why he's not being shown mercy. Now, 513 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 3: I don't know, I might be mangling that verse right, 514 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: but this year episode is me attempting to be merciful. 515 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: My baby ain't never hurt nobody. Yes he did, and 516 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: I'm still sorry for your loss. You want to go 517 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 3: pick you up something to drink cold politics, y'all? All right, now, 518 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 3: don't you hit stop on this pod. You better listen 519 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: to these credits. I need you to finish this thing 520 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 3: so I can get to download numbers. Okay, so don't 521 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: stop it yet, but listen. 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