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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. Lance Meadow, John Schmoke with

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Speaker 1: you the phone numbers two, one, four, five on three,

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Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen NFL Draft is in the books and

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Speaker 1: Landsman is excited. We're gonna lead today with the NFL traft.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm just kidding, Uh it is. It is all

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Speaker 1: to an amazing Giants Prizes. We've talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: the first couple of days worth the picks for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna work our way backwards here. Obviously gonna

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Speaker 1: spend more time on the bigger guys, but we haven't

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Speaker 1: talked about some of the guys in the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the draft quite as much. So let's start there with

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Speaker 1: the last two picks lands on Sunday. Uh, they're the

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Speaker 1: Giants to seventh round picks. We were off the air

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Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kick Off when those went down. You

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Speaker 1: got Georgia Sapho, a j and Chris an offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: out of Kentucky. Polledatino finally got his offensive tackle after

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Speaker 1: he was off the air, and then Chris Slayton defensive

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Speaker 1: tackle out of Syracuse. Yeah, well, these are certainly depth moves, John.

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Speaker 1: I think they're players that will come in, they'll have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to compete, And I don't think roster spots

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Speaker 1: are necessarily guaranteed, but you could argue that you bring

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Speaker 1: in an offensive lineman from Kentucky who went up against

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen in practice on a consistent basis, was tested

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Speaker 1: some of the elite defensive players in arguably one of

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Speaker 1: the best conferences in college football. Dave Gettleman, I think

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Speaker 1: echoed some of those sentiments and good value because he

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Speaker 1: was projected to go a little bit higher on their board,

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Speaker 1: and you bring him in and you let him compete.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that philosophy.

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Speaker 1: Volume is good for a team. What I don't understand,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get off on a tangent here.

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Speaker 1: There we go, start early. We are going to start early,

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Speaker 1: my pet, Peeve, welcome to social media end. They gave

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Speaker 1: me a lot to think about this week. They think

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Speaker 1: the phone lines as well. So we get so worked

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Speaker 1: up over at the quarterback position when there's too many

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Speaker 1: bodies in the room, Right, it's a distraction. You have

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Speaker 1: to crown one guy. And then when it comes to

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Speaker 1: other positions, well, what do you need so many defensive tackles?

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Speaker 1: What do you need so many defensive linemen? It's not

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Speaker 1: distractured so much, it just there's too many. They're all

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Speaker 1: not gonna make the roster. Well, what happened with the

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Speaker 1: Giants some seasons when we talked about the injury bug

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Speaker 1: that hit John and Week five you walk in with

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Speaker 1: eight defensive tackles, all of a sudden, you lose three

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Speaker 1: in the first three weeks. You can't predict what's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen with respect to the injury bug. Heck, or even

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Speaker 1: in training camp you lose more guys that happens. What

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Speaker 1: happened to the Eagles secondary last year? How many corners

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Speaker 1: did they lose? John? Where Jim Schwartz and that franchise

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Speaker 1: had to pull guys off the street to play late

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Speaker 1: in the season, and kudos and then they made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But now I don't want to hear when you look

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Speaker 1: at a roster. You look at the draft, why did

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Speaker 1: they bring in three corners? Why they bring in two

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles. You can't predict the injury bug. So this

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Speaker 1: is a good move from a depth competition standpoint, similar

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Speaker 1: to the Chris Slayden move. Yes they took Dexter Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Yes they have Dalvin Tomlins, and they have B. J.

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Speaker 1: Corey Balantine. Obviously, folks, we know about the reports that

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Speaker 1: shooting over the weekend. Uh, the Giants issued their statement.

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Speaker 1: Will stand by that. Uh, we don't have any extra

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Speaker 1: from that. But as a player, lands, he's a small

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Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to speak to Balantine before the

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Speaker 1: He could play on all four special teams units in

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Speaker 1: Darius Slaine from Auburn forty at the combine, he's a

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Speaker 1: The Auburn offense was a mess. It's similar to Jared

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Speaker 1: Stidham and how you evaluate him because you had two

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Speaker 1: He just showcased that blazing speed. So when you look

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Speaker 1: the Giants have brought in some players from Richmond. Kerry

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Speaker 1: Win as a guy that comes to mind, and you

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Speaker 1: always wonder John is he gonna have his breakout campaign

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Speaker 1: you didn't necessarily always see the results in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: I remember, you're gonna go back even further. Two small

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Speaker 1: a small school guy. No, those are all relevant in

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Speaker 1: But the one thing that you alluded to, John, and

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Speaker 1: Old Dominion. You're talking about somebody that collected thirty two

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, our show Friday night, or show Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: They're all up on giants dot com. They're up on

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Speaker 1: your podcast site to check them out. Look, here's the

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Speaker 1: bottom mind, folks. You know how we talked about Daniel

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Speaker 1: Joe's leading up to the draft. We know how the

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Speaker 1: experts considered him and rank them great in them all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. Right now, none of that matters. I'll go

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Speaker 1: back to two thousand and four. I was working over

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Speaker 1: at w f AN taking phone calls on this. I

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Speaker 1: remember it. I was at the draft with Chris mad

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Speaker 1: Dog Russo when he was screaming about the trade that happened.

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Speaker 1: I was in Radio City Music all sitting right next

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Speaker 1: to him as he did it. And Giant fans were

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Speaker 1: furious that they traded so much to get Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: whose numbers at all miss weren't very good. Okay, they

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Speaker 1: were really upset. Two ones, a three, and a five.

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Speaker 1: One of those ones turned into I think Shawn Merriman,

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I think the charges picked in

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Speaker 1: the following year, Nakekating was another one, uh the kicker.

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Speaker 1: So Giant fans are mad. They thought they gave up

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Speaker 1: too much. Do you know how much Giant fans cared

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve and two thousand and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: after the Giants had already won two Super Bowls with

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, how much they gave up for him or

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Speaker 1: where they selected him. They could not care less. And

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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna stand in five years, or three

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Speaker 1: or four, however long it takes source to figure this out.

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Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones turned tones out, If Daniel Jones turns

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Speaker 1: out to be the franchise quarterback and the caliber of

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Speaker 1: player the Giants believe him to be, no one's gonna

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Speaker 1: care where he got picked, because you cannot pay too

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Speaker 1: high of a price for a franchise quarterback. You might

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Speaker 1: think he was gonna be there at seventeen. The Giants

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Speaker 1: obviously do not, Dave Gentleman saying that he knows for

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Speaker 1: a fact, shoot other teams would have targeted him before seventeen.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is that nobody knows for sure. Nobody

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Speaker 1: can change the spacetime continualumpathetic have the Giants tastes like

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and know exactly what every other team after

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Speaker 1: that was going to do. What do the Jaguars do, Well,

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Speaker 1: obviously they're not taking Josh Allen is their pick. Then

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Speaker 1: change what the Lions do in terms of t J. Hawkinson.

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Speaker 1: Do they change what? You know what another team pick two,

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Speaker 1: who's like the Jonah Williams, whatever they would have done.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows. Nobody knows, So you can't say, well, you

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Speaker 1: just get him at seventeen. No, you don't know that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna flip the script here. If we if

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Speaker 1: the Giants didn't pick him at six, and everyone knows

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Speaker 1: that he got picked out from underneath them by a

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Speaker 1: team at like eleven or twelve, whatever, and we're sitting

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Speaker 1: here four or five years from now, Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl level quarterback. We're gonna have people calling

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Speaker 1: this show murdering the Giants front office. I'm missing out

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Speaker 1: on the next franchise quarterback because they tried to get

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Speaker 1: Grady and get him at seventeen. That's what's exactly what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. So you might disagree with the evaluation

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Speaker 1: on the player, but the strategy was sound, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what type of player is when he gets on

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Speaker 1: the football field. That to me is where I'm at.

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Speaker 1: And it's that simple. Well, and I'll just echo what

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Speaker 1: I said on Friday show that I did with you, John.

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Speaker 1: I completely understand the argument for Josh Allen and Ed Oliver,

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Speaker 1: and I personally was high on both of those players.

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Speaker 1: But if the rationale in the room shows conviction about

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and this is the guy that they wanted,

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Speaker 1: you don't roll the dice. And the other debate that

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Speaker 1: also is continuing to ensue before we open up the

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Speaker 1: phone lines. And I want to settle this and we

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Speaker 1: will go to the phones next. Daniel Jones versus Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much you got over the weekend

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Speaker 1: on this topic, but this is another one that's continuing

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Speaker 1: to be floated out there. Well, you know, for Rosen,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that the Dolphins barely gave up anything,

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Speaker 1: and I do think it was a great trade from Miami,

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Speaker 1: well the Giants could have done that. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones, you didn't give up any assets. You

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Speaker 1: just took them with your allotted pick. With Josh Rosen,

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Speaker 1: you then would have to give up at least right

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Speaker 1: your thirty seventh pick, well, the thirty seventh pick John

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Speaker 1: they traded as part of the deal to swap spots

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Speaker 1: with Seattle to get DeAndre Bakers. So it's not Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones versus Josh Rosen. It's what Daniel Jones and DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Baker pan out to be versus Josh Rosen. In addition

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Speaker 1: to you would have likely had to throw in a

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Speaker 1: two thousand twenty pick, which was also part of that

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen deal. So you're talking about a two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty pick, DeAndre Baker and Daniel Jones having that versus

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. No, it's not so simple. At one to one,

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Speaker 1: I would probably say the picks that they traded up

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Speaker 1: to move up to get Baker plus T two probably

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Speaker 1: would have been better than what the Steelers game. Maybe. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Dolphins trade, right, Yeah, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm talking as you mentioned the Steelers Broncos and mean

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. I'm sorry that the amount the Dolphins gave up.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's probably they gave up a two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty pick because it was a sixty overall pick. Later

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Speaker 1: on in the second round, where's the thirty seven would

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Speaker 1: have not had to warrant another two thousand. You could

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Speaker 1: certainly make that. Or or, for example, if the Giants

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Speaker 1: would have given up what they did to move up

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Speaker 1: to thirty. So if the Giants would offer their their

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Speaker 1: thirty seventh and then their fourth and their fifth, that

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Speaker 1: certainly would have been better than what the Dolphins had

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Speaker 1: on the table, is my point. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: they would have had to have given up that much

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Speaker 1: considering what the cardinal point stands. But you're right. The

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Speaker 1: bottom line, folks, that Jones is now gonna be He's

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Speaker 1: gonna be compared to Sam Donald, He's gonna be compared

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Speaker 1: to Josh Rosen, He's gonna be compared to even Josh

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Speaker 1: from last year and even Lamar Jackson from last year.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's everyone here knows that no one's hiding

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Speaker 1: from it. And how he ends up playing is what's

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Speaker 1: going to matter, and that's going to determine it. That's

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Speaker 1: the beauty of sports, folks. That's why I love sports.

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Speaker 1: In school, I made you in sports and I'm minor

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Speaker 1: in history and politics. The reason I decided to go

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Speaker 1: into broadcasting and journalism in sports is because eventually everything

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Speaker 1: is decided on the field. Competition will eventually determine the

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Speaker 1: winner the loss. It's not debate, it's not you know, votes,

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Speaker 1: it's not opinion polls. That's why I can't get into

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Speaker 1: college football sometimes because I can't deal with ranking teams.

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Speaker 1: All right, give me a win or give me a loser.

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Speaker 1: That's why sports is awesome. And we're gonna eventually see

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Speaker 1: the results. We're gonna see what players are better, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna know who was right, and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna know who's wrong. And give us three or four

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Speaker 1: years and hopefully we'll be able to give you that answer.

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Speaker 1: Two O four five one three. We got a full

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Speaker 1: line of calls. It's you and us the rest of

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Speaker 1: the way. It's all presented by cores Light, download the

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Speaker 1: in Manhattan will lead us off. What's up, Antonio? Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? LANs going on? John? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to touch base? Um? You know, I

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Speaker 1: you know, I get you. Guys are defending those picks

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Speaker 1: or justifying them. I understand who's not. I'm not finding

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Speaker 1: the rationality. I'm explaining why they did what they did.

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Speaker 1: Did you have did did did you hear me say

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Speaker 1: that X or A in that first round was a

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Speaker 1: great pick. We just explained to you why they did them. Right, No,

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Speaker 1: that's justifying the pick is no. Justifying is implying that

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Speaker 1: it's bad and we're trying to spin it to make

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Speaker 1: it sound good. Okay, okay, so you guys are giving

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Speaker 1: the reason mine, alright, thank you. That's my thing is

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Speaker 1: um Josh Rosen, I mean, uh not Rosen um locked

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Speaker 1: at that at that position? Um. I think he was overdrafted.

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Speaker 1: I mean Daniel Jones. I'm sorry, Daniel Jones. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was overdrafted. And honestly, just just because you guys

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Speaker 1: are you know you guys, fore you gotta say this, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys shouldn't um, you know, blame the kid or

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Speaker 1: the kid didn't pick him or whatever. That's fine, but

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Speaker 1: that also doesn't mean that I have to root for

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Speaker 1: the guy. Oh Antonio, hold on a second, you're a

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Speaker 1: Giants fan. Why wouldn't you root against the sixth overall

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft? That's stupid. I'm going to root

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Speaker 1: against him, but I'm saying with him. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to give him the I'm not gonna they gave him

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Speaker 1: the keys, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not gonna,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. Nobody got proof to me. Yeah, and Antonio,

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Speaker 1: nobody's saying to crown him. Of nobody is saying to

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Speaker 1: crown him. John just mentioned you gotta wait to see

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Speaker 1: what he does on the field. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: the quiet the skeptics and live up to expectations or

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Speaker 1: he's not going to fill feel that. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is, Daniel Jones hasn't even put on his jersey yet,

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Speaker 1: hasn't even tested out his helmet, And you want to

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Speaker 1: have a discussion about how he's gonna pan out, can

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Speaker 1: we at least see him get on the field? No, Antonio,

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Speaker 1: Look you, Antonio, Look Antonio. I'm not saying you should

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Speaker 1: have blind faith in the kid, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but the first time he throws

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Speaker 1: it incomplete pass to boom is stupid. Right. What I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I'm saying is let's see the

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Speaker 1: guys play. Let's se him play some minimful games of

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Speaker 1: hundred percent true, Antonio, No one's saying otherwise, and anybody

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Speaker 1: crowning him as the savior is absolutely ridiculous. Giant the

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Speaker 1: Giants think he can be that guy, but he's got

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Speaker 1: to earn it. He's got to prove it. Heck, he's

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Speaker 1: got to beat out Eli Manning first, right. Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Another point I wonder point that I won that is

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Speaker 1: out is the second pick that we had in the

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Speaker 1: seven teams Exter Lawrence. Um. You guys are saying that

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Speaker 1: he was a pass rush Um. No, they think they

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Speaker 1: think he can develop in to a pass rusher. He

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Speaker 1: rushed the passer role as a freshman. He only had

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Speaker 1: six sacks as a freshman. He only had three sacks

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Speaker 1: total in his final two years there, so they believe

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Speaker 1: he can be a three down player. You're correct. His

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Speaker 1: last two years in college he did not pressure the

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Speaker 1: passer consistently enough. That's true, right. He was taken out

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Speaker 1: the NASCAR package pretty much. They had a Nascar package

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Speaker 1: over there, and they took him out every time. But

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Speaker 1: my thing is, isn't that a little bit too rich

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Speaker 1: to do? In the six team for overall pick sevall

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Speaker 1: pick to pick a guy who we think he's going

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Speaker 1: to develop into a pass rusher. So essentially he is

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Speaker 1: snacks right now, with the exception that he's really not

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Speaker 1: because in his scouting report he has a tough time

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Speaker 1: with double teams. Now, that's that that that that that's

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Speaker 1: not true. I think he handled double teams just fine.

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Speaker 1: That's what scout. That's what it says an NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com on his scouting report. I'm in the run game

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Speaker 1: of the past game in the run gamer pass game

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Speaker 1: that have double double teams. The run game says that

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Speaker 1: he's a double team and sometimes he just that down.

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Speaker 1: That's what it says dot Com. You can just check

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Speaker 1: it out. I didn't see that on tape and I

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Speaker 1: watched him in Antonio. Did you listen to our interview

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Speaker 1: with him over the weekend? No, No, I didn't know. Well,

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Speaker 1: he had an injury his second year where he had

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Speaker 1: a fracture of his fifth metatarsal. Right when they did

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Speaker 1: the surgery, they basically had an adverse effect when they

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Speaker 1: gave him the anesthesia on his left leg. He cannot

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Speaker 1: do a calf phraise, a calf raise. For a year

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: and a half, he could not do a caffrey. He

641
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: played with that injury where he could not do a

642
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: caff raise on his left leg his entire sophomore season there.

643
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: He played through that and told us he didn't feel

644
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: like himself till October and November of his final year there.

645
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: So that might have something to do with his dipping

646
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: pass rush production as well. Gotcha, gotcha? Okay, So that's

647
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: just wanted. So maybe you know, maybe he will put

648
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: out maybe you know. In my opinion, he's also a

649
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: kind of a development project at seventeen. And it's just like, okay,

650
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: so you got to the veltoment projects now in your

651
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: first round when the first round, Yes, I agree, the

652
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: quarterback should be kind of the development project. But everybody

653
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I think you picked in the first round should be

654
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: starting right away. But Lawrence, he's gonna have an opportunity

655
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: to play immediately. Lawrences, I mean, I disagree with you.

656
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, well, Antonio, nobody's saying that

657
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Lawrence has reached his ceiling at full potential. I wouldn't

658
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: say that about any first round pick. But the bottom

659
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: line is Lawrence is gonna get on the field immediately.

660
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Compared to Daniel Jones, there's a distinct difference between those

661
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: two and here's another thing. B J. Hill was not

662
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: a first round pick, so don't misinterpret my comparison. But

663
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: Hill was another one of those guys that didn't have

664
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: great sack numbers if you go back to his NC

665
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: State days, and part of it was similar to Lawrence.

666
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: Remember b J. Hill was part of a defensive line

667
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: that was stacked at NC State. Yet Bradley Chubb had

668
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys. But you know what, little

669
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: by little this past season, he showed that he can

670
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: develop into a pass rusher. Not overwhelming numbers, but you

671
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: know what, behind Olivier Vernon was b J. Hill this

672
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: season in team total sacks, and so there is something

673
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: to be said about that. Sure. One last thing is

674
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: that you know, I do like I do think that

675
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: that Um, that gentleman is a genius when it comes

676
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: to late in the draft. Um. I don't know too

677
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: much about the guys that he picked up, but I

678
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: know he picked up a whole bunch of corners. Um.

679
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: And even if we get you know, ad minimum want

680
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: to pan out out of this, which I doubt, I

681
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: just I believe in Gentleman's late draft ability. Um, if

682
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: we get two corners Japan out out of this, man,

683
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I could easily see this team being, you know, at

684
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: least eight wins this season if you don't. Obviously, corners

685
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: take time to develop. But just look at what the

686
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: Cold did. Man. They had two secondary guys come out

687
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: and be all pro. I'm not saying that we're gonna

688
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: have all pro rookies, you know, but even if they're decent,

689
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: because our secondary last year was scary. I mean, it

690
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: was just really bad. When I have one question to

691
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: you guys, who is the backup free safety for the

692
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: Giants right now? Or do you guys think one of

693
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: these corners is gonna be a backup c safet because

694
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: right now that's different example of Antwine began gets hurt.

695
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: We're in a really bad spot right now. So you

696
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: want thanks, Antonio, appreciate the call. Got the roster up there, Lens, Yeah,

697
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it up right now on the on the

698
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: old depth chart. Let me see, Well, when you look

699
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: at the other safeties on the roster, you have Sean

700
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Chandler out of Temple who was an undrafted free agent.

701
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: He played closer to the line of scrimmaged correct here,

702
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: but he's he's a guy that could be in the mix,

703
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: and then Michael Thomas, who also played a lot of

704
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: corner too in the nickel and he is an extremely

705
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: versatil player. I was very fond of Michael Thomas as

706
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: a special teamer as well. You can move him around,

707
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: and I would say right now on the roster, you know,

708
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: Cameron Moore is another guy that remember they added in

709
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: those waiver wire pickups before the start of the season.

710
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Peppers played free safety plenty for the Browns last year too,

711
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: so he can rotate back there if he has to.

712
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: My guess is, if you were to ask me right now,

713
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is the first safety up in my mind.

714
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: If somebody gets hurt John, yeah, and then I think

715
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: him and Peppers will will rotate responsibility based on them. Yeah,

716
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: That's how I would look at it on paper. And

717
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: I think Chandler will have a chance to compete for

718
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: that though. I think I think he came on in

719
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: the last year. I think they like his coverage ability.

720
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: I think he's somebody that they believe can play a

721
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: bigger role this year. And the other thing is, I

722
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: think they're gonna test some corners out at safety during

723
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the course of camp. I think they will I think

724
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: they'll experiment there two O one nine four five one three.

725
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Back to the phone. Let's go to Rob up in

726
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: the Bronx. He's up next day, Robbie, Hey, Ralphabe, I'm

727
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: sorry about that. What's up first? All right now? Well, honestly,

728
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: um to be honest, I love all the cornerbacks that

729
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: they picked. I think they all got cover skills and

730
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: they all got wolf skills. My question, my main question

731
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: for them is will will the linebackern call? Like Dave

732
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: Davis for me, he had He's a major contributor to

733
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: this defensive if he can step up, if he can

734
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: be that linebacker for third down covering the tight ends.

735
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: He has the speed, so that should coming up. He

736
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: has he has what is now that he can use

737
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: in the scheme that he likes to play. So that's

738
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: my concern of the defense can step up. I'm not

739
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: worried about the offense. Eli is gonna be Eli the

740
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: offensive line. Zeitels is gonna be the you just the

741
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: biggest pickup of this whole off season to me. I

742
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: think he is huge and he's gonna stay a little

743
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: by that right side. We could get that right tackle

744
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: to to fall in place and Michael, like you said,

745
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is another big guy in that locker room

746
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: helping these young cornerbacks. I don't I would take you

747
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: up in you Yeah, I mean I agree with Michael

748
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Thomas is a great locker room presidence. I've never heard

749
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: anybody complain about having Michael Thomas around. The coaching staff

750
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: raves about him. You look at his work off the

751
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: field in the community, and his versatility is appealing. You're

752
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: talking about somebody that could be a special team or

753
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: play corner and play safe. He will give votes to

754
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: be a captain this year. Let me put it that way.

755
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if he doesn't think so. True. Yeah,

756
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: and that's what I was kind of saying about, Like

757
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: his presidence in that locker room will have these young

758
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: corners understanding what it makes, what it takes to be

759
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: a pro and to appreciate that where they got drafted

760
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: because he was undrafted. If I'm not mistaken right, Michael Thomas,

761
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: he might have been. I would have to double check that,

762
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: but he was because he went to the Niners practice

763
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: squad just to show these guys how much hard work

764
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: pigs off. If you put in that work. You know,

765
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy being the leader of a defense, of

766
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: being a kid named the captain. That that right there

767
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: is like inspiration show the guys if you take it

768
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: and use it for your advantage, like guys like the

769
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: kid from the Division two school Watchburn. You know, I

770
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: know he had that horrible thing happened to and godless

771
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: that family, you know, and everything else. But a guy

772
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: like that could come in. He has all the skills,

773
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: he has everything. I've seen him on tape he is.

774
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: He is a really really good cover guy and speed

775
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: and ball skills he can be. You know, a guy

776
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: like that could come in and step in and challenge

777
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: for that slot with Biel, with Glove, when Haley, when

778
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: all the mother guys. That's huge. I think absolutely, Ralph

779
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: and and thanks to the call there and overall in

780
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: the defense, you're right to me. The questions still going

781
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: into this year is a defense and that's why the

782
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: corners make me feel better about it. I don't worry

783
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: about the rush defense at this point, with with Dexter

784
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: Lawrence being put back into the mix. You worry about

785
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: pass rush lance and I still worry about coverage in

786
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: the middle of the field with the linebackers. Those are

787
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: those are the two things right now where if I

788
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: at the pinpoint issues where I have some concern heading

789
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: into this year on the defensive side of the ball,

790
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: those will be the two issues from me. Yeah, I'm

791
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna agree with you. I mean I throughout the sacked

792
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: numbers from last year, they only had thirty sacks, they

793
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: were near the bottom of the rankings, and they lost

794
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Vernon correct they're arguably best pass rusher who had seven

795
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: sacks to lead the team. And then on top of that,

796
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, defending the tight end, which has been an

797
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: issue regardless of who the defensive coordinator has been. They

798
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: hope Pepper's canna help that. Yes, I mean Peppers certainly

799
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: has the ability I think to help there. But you know,

800
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: the linebackers need to chip in in that department too,

801
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: and that's going to be important. The alec Ogul Trees

802
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: of the world, Lorenzo Connor has the potential. We saw

803
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: some flashes of him dropping back and coverage, specifically against

804
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: the running back for the San Francisco forty Niners. If

805
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: you were calling that game, you know they're gonna need

806
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: to make an extra push in that the arm and

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I think, and that could make this defense exceed expectations slightly.

808
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Freddie and New Jersey's up next. Hey Freddy, how are

809
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: you good? Guys? Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it. Thanks.

810
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Just have a few I just have a few comments

811
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: about the draft picks. Um, Daniel Jones, if they were

812
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: going to draft the quarterback, if that was my guy

813
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: and over Haskins, Um. I think Jones can make all

814
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: the throws. I think he can handle New York. And

815
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem is, as you know, most

816
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Ron fans was taking him at six. I'm a big

817
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes fan, so I watched Jones over the last

818
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: three years and I just think he'd he'd be a

819
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: perfect fit for the Giants. Well, you know what, Freddy

820
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: All says that the front office agrees with you. They

821
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: think everything from the neck up is absolutely perfect, uh,

822
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: to handle everything that comes at you in New York

823
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: to play the position. And I think a lot with

824
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman. We heard him to say this last year

825
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: where arm strength is on like his fourth or fifth

826
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: on his list of really important things for a quarterback.

827
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: And I think Jones checks all those boxes. For the

828
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: head coach in terms of being able to play the

829
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: quarterback position from the neck up. And I think toughness

830
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: is another that's a big, big appeal. I recently spoke

831
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: to Duke's deputy head coach, their offensive coordinate quarterbacks coach.

832
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: He talked about in playing through injuries broken clavical ankle injury,

833
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: came back very quickly, correct bounce back quickly from the

834
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: broken calavical, taped up the ankle and played through it.

835
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: And you know when I was hearing those descriptions, John

836
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: Once again, I'm not trying to pile on the e

837
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: line Manning comparisons, but when you think of toughness, you

838
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: think he Eli Manning. Think about the injuries he's played

839
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: through during the course of his Giant's tenure. You're gonna

840
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: tell me that didn't register in the minds of the

841
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: Giants front office. I think that was an appealing characteristic

842
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: and that has nothing to necessarily do with the XS

843
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: and oas. And also, um, if you watch Jones, he

844
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: stood in in the pocket and took some big, big hits.

845
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and just on Dexter Lawrence. Um, I think

846
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I think that was a good pick because after the

847
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Snacks trade, we killed against the run, and I think

848
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: you'll come and help out immediately in that and also

849
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: Julie in Love, I thought he was a steel in

850
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: the fourth round earlier. He can come in and compete

851
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: right away. So I thought the best my my, the

852
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: pick for me for the Giants where they got picked

853
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: furthest away from where I had them evaluated was was love.

854
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: I love as a second round player. They got them

855
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: two rounds later that that thought it was great, great value. Yeah,

856
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you, he's playing on that job and

857
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: also real fast. One more comment Baker moving up. How

858
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: many spots they moved up? Fantastic move because, like you said,

859
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: you cannot like the way they had to run on

860
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: the corners in that second round, he might have not

861
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: been there. I was happy. I was happy with that

862
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: and that's all I got. God, thanks for thanks, and

863
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: Lawrence for a second. I want to go back our

864
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: first core brought it up. He talked about you know

865
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: you're drafting somebody that you're betting on, um maybe you know,

866
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: being a bit of a project or make in that

867
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: next step and improving. You're doing that with every player

868
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: you draft, and you made the point there's no finished product.

869
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: In this draft. You know, if you're drafting with Shawn

870
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: Garry or you're counting on him, you know, developing in

871
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: a certain way as an athlete. Certainly Ed Oliver as

872
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: a player where you expect him to develop more as

873
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: a pass rusher in terms of his technique and stuff

874
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: heading into the pros. Every player in this draft you're

875
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: counting on development. I mean that's just the way it is.

876
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: And you draft traits in a lot of ways, and

877
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: you'd like to have the traits plus to proven production.

878
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: You don't always get that, Okay, So Dexter Lawrence certainly

879
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: has the traits and the movement skills. I said that

880
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: David Deal last Wednesday. Go damn, am I crazy for

881
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: actually liking Dexter Lawrence more than like Christian Wilkins. I

882
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: said that to him and he goes, though John or

883
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: not is Dexter Lawrence at three forty will do stuff.

884
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes We're just like wow, and I did get that

885
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: watching him. While maybe Christian Wilkins is maybe more consistent

886
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: play to play and makes all the place he's supposed

887
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: to make. You see three forty pounds Dexter Lawrence moving

888
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: around times and you're like, boy, God, that big should

889
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: have moved that way. So that's where you're drafting the

890
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: traits and you're betting on the trades to eventually turn

891
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: into production. It's an inexact science, and I know we

892
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: science at all. That's the thing. It's an art. Well

893
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: it isn't art, but but also there's a lot of

894
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: gambling involved. Nobody is going to tell you that this

895
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: player is absolutely going to pan out, regardless of how

896
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: much homework you do. And I keep turning back to

897
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen draft, and I think that's valid

898
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: because at least it's recent, not going back in the archives.

899
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: And Darius Leonard, who I would argue is one of

900
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: the best draft picks from last year's class, was a

901
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: second round pick so out of South Carolina State and

902
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: traded up to get him by Yeah, exactly, So you're

903
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: gonna tell me, you go back to the first round,

904
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: you redo that draft. Darius Leonard's a top ten pick

905
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: if people would have thought that he would have panned

906
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: out like this in year one. And I retweeted a tweet.

907
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: A cult reporter put this up as a reminder last

908
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: week not to take post draft grades seriously, and he

909
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: reposted a story I think from bleacher Report where they

910
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: basically called it one of the worst eat ups in

911
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. Because yes, because no off

912
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: ball linebacker from a division one the FCS school had

913
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: ever you know, become a real player in the NFL.

914
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: And they penned they said, these ballots no idea what

915
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: he's doing, and they can end up winning defensive player

916
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: of the year, our defensive rookie of the year. Part

917
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: of me, So it's why I agree with you. I

918
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: don't like draft grades immediately after, and I don't like

919
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: mock drafts to a certain degree as well. And I

920
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: think you know, I'm not gonna go off on a

921
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: whole tangent here, but I think it's important for fans

922
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: to understand there are and this is not blamed the

923
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: media game, John, but there are outlets that are told

924
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: from their higher ups. This is the content we want

925
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: you to put out. Well, by the way, do you

926
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: know why the fans click on it because you've known

927
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the play but yourselves. I wasn't gonna go there, but

928
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: you said, and what happens then what hot take correct?

929
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: So you read them and then you think it's exactly

930
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna pan out just because somebody wrote it. Who happens

931
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: to work for an outlet that is well known, and

932
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: you have faith and confidence. The same thing with the

933
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: mock draft. You put trust in the individual makes of

934
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: the mock draft. But that doesn't mean that they're gonna

935
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: be accurate. It's not the writer's fault. You know that

936
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: they can't predict as a hundred percent. They're not gonna

937
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: be able to tell the future. They do the best

938
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: they can. And you know, the the other thing that's

939
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: important to note, who goes back. I've said this year

940
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: after year. I want to see the individual that goes

941
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: back it looks at everybody's mock drafts and gives me

942
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: the grades to see how accurate they were. Because everybody

943
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: puts faith in these mock drafts. Did you actually go

944
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: back four or five days after to see how truly

945
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: accurate it played out before you run away with well,

946
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, they said Daniel Jones was gonna go pick

947
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: thirty five and he should have never went pick six.

948
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Peter King said he had eight out of thirty two

949
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: this year and it was one of his best mock

950
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: drafts ever, eight out of thirty two, and he said

951
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: it was one of his best he's ever done well.

952
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's not necessarily a high percentage the last

953
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: time I checked. No, but that that No, I'm not

954
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: criticizing him. I'm saying that's the point. Peter King is

955
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: admitting that it only got right and he was proud

956
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: of it. But what are we looking at? Mock drafts day?

957
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Even the Neptune is up next, David, what's going on?

958
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: It was going on that? Hey, Ralphiel, what's up much? Man?

959
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: I just got a point to make sure. I'm prom

960
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: proud of you guys for this weekend too. I know

961
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: it was a long, a long oval for you guys.

962
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Thank you, Ralph. Yeah, no problem. Eight

963
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: hours in here with Paula Tino is not fun. Yeah,

964
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: that's why they invented alcohol by Grandpa's old cough medicine.

965
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: Went to work this weekend? Yeah, what was my guy?

966
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: You know he's the best. Well that makes one of us.

967
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: But that's okay, go ahead, No, no, no, listen, I

968
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: wasn't looking for a compliment. I'm just happy that somebody's

969
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: pulling for de Tino, that's all. You know, he needs

970
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: all the help he could get. But anyway, go ahead. Yeah, yeah,

971
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: but another thing, another guy will look for it. And

972
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: I know this is really unpossicular, and um, I don't

973
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: know why the Giant fan feel about they've got him, man,

974
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: but I feel like he's doing a great job so far.

975
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: And the reason why I feel that way he's doing

976
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: everything based off on popular opinions. He's not the ends

977
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: of the media is blacking everything out. And to be honest,

978
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the GM we need. I don't think we should have

979
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: a GM that you know that come out and that

980
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: there's draft get affected by where everybody else is saying

981
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: that makes no sense to him. That's number one. Good point. Yeah,

982
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: And with these draft picks, I wanted to ask you guys,

983
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: which one of these players are your favorite? Me personally,

984
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: I like Deandrew Baker. I feel like you'll start date one,

985
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: no questions about it. I like it, his swag. I

986
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: like everything he brings to the tables, for the physical

987
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: everything that he brings. But I'm not asking you guys,

988
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, like the position where he was picked at.

989
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: I just want to know, as a player all these

990
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: draft picks, which one is your favorite? I like Julian Love,

991
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: Ralph and and and I've kind of been a sucker

992
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: from the whole draft process. I had have been writing that. Frankly,

993
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: Le'll be honest with you, I didn't have that much

994
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: separating Julie Love and DeAndre Baker. Now they're there. There

995
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: are different types of players, you know. Love is a

996
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: guy that can go inside. I think he's a little

997
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: more Verse told him Baker is. But Baker is a

998
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: better actual cover corner, you know what, I mean, the

999
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: best for one guy to just shut somebody down. I'm

1000
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: picking Baker. But Love can do a little bit of

1001
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: everything for you, which is why I love him. He's

1002
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: not you know this corner. We talked about it a lot,

1003
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: how there were different classes of corners, right you guys. Oh,

1004
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: this guy can play his own, this guy can plain man,

1005
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: this guy maybe doesn't want to tackle. This guy is

1006
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: a press guy, this guy is an off guy. Love

1007
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: can do everything and with To get a player like

1008
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: that on your roster, that's what gets me excited. Yeah,

1009
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: I think Love's great value. I'm with you, I mean

1010
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: lean with Ralph with DeAndre Baker probably being my favorite,

1011
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I think that was also a good value pick. I mean,

1012
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: I love the fact that his numbers are appealing, and

1013
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: that he was a great cover corner, which you need

1014
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: in this day and age in football. You need to say,

1015
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: you know what, I've got faith. They line up their

1016
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: best guy, We line up our best guy. Let the

1017
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: best man win. And he's been exposed to that throughout

1018
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: his college career, and you're not throwing him now into

1019
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: a baptism by fire scenario where you're asking him to

1020
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: do something that he wasn't asked to do with Georgia.

1021
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, I know someone said before that

1022
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: Lawrence was kind of a reach at seventeen in terms

1023
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: of value. He was being put in that fifteen to

1024
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty three area on most mock drafts. So

1025
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, even just from the outside looking in,

1026
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: as much as those mock drafts are ridiculous, we just

1027
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: talked about it. It's just in terms of popular perception,

1028
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: he was right in that mix, in that area of picks,

1029
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: just just F. F. Y Ill. And when we did

1030
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: our mock draft on Thursday, they talked about Lawrence and

1031
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Wilkins perhaps being in the conversation at seventeen, and Wilkins

1032
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: was gone, Burns was gone, and I was sitting there

1033
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: lands I was oh, one pick away from a potential

1034
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: to pick Brian Burns. I don't know if the Johns

1035
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: would have picked him or not. I don't but almost

1036
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: gone right before. And remember we talked about if you

1037
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: weren't going to pick that pass rusher at six, through

1038
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: a chance they were all gonna be wiped out by

1039
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the time he got the seventeen. What happened. They're all

1040
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: wiped out. Burns was gone, Gary was gone. He went

1041
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: to the Packers, Farall was gone. He went higher that

1042
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and at Olivera was gone, Josh Allen was gone.

1043
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: So at seventeen, all the past rushers got wiped out.

1044
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: That was a scenario. We talked about its being very possible. Well,

1045
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: and remember let's go back to also Dave Gentleman's press conference.

1046
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: The one position that I kept emphasizing that he did

1047
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: not say was an overwhelming amount of depth was pass

1048
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: rusher slast defensive lineman. So that's why it also didn't

1049
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: surprise me they grabbed Dexter Lawrence at seventeen. And it

1050
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: also didn't surprised me that there weren't a wealth of

1051
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: defensive lineman that they took throughout the course of the draft,

1052
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: and I know Fens are gonna get mad at maybe

1053
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: his Montes sweat was on the board and he absolutely was,

1054
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: so it wasn't completely wiped out. But I again, I

1055
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: don't know how the Giants flagged his medical conditions. So

1056
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: I can't say they should have taken Montes sweat without

1057
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: knowing exactly how they felt about him medically, because I

1058
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that question. So just keep

1059
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: that in mind. Yes, Montes what was a good pass

1060
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: wor he was about and a good pick for the Redskins.

1061
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: But correct once again, if you don't not privy to

1062
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: the conversation of what their medical team advised the front office.

1063
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: The Redskins front office have a very different opinion and

1064
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: faith in Sweat versus the Giant. So you know that's

1065
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: the mystery before you make a decision. David in North Carolina,

1066
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: what's up, Dave? Um, I just wanted to kind of

1067
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: call in and uh, you know, sometimes I think, not

1068
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: that I'm going to express it perfectly, but my reason

1069
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: of why I have such a problem with the Daniel

1070
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: Jones pick at six. Now, Um, yes, PAULI would say,

1071
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: let's let's pill the onion a little bit here, if

1072
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: you guys will give me the time. So, going into

1073
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: the draft, or I'm sorry, way before the draft, I

1074
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: think it was pretty unanimous, or I shouldn't say unanimous,

1075
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: but it was a majority. Hey, this this QB class

1076
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: is not perfect a matter of fact, it could be

1077
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: average based on what we're seeing. And then as we

1078
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: get closer to the draft, like every year, the qbs

1079
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: get propped up a little bit more maybe than they should, etcetera, etcetera.

1080
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: But as we found out over the weekend, the team's

1081
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: kind of fell back in line with what the initial

1082
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: projections were. Is that, hey man, these guys got red flags.

1083
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean even Kylin Murray. You know he's not a

1084
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: perfect prospect, but you saw these quarterbacks slide. And so

1085
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: what I have trouble with is I just really have

1086
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: trouble believing that Dave Gentleman had Daniel Jones and a

1087
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: pass rusher like Josh Allen on the same line. Well, David, David,

1088
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: all I can tell you is that's what they told us.

1089
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: They did. My understanding is that they did. If you

1090
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: think they're not telling the truth, that's up to you. Um,

1091
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to change your mind. All I can

1092
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: tell you is what the team has said, and that's

1093
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: what they've said, and I totally agree with that. But

1094
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: that is what the fans have problem with it. It's

1095
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: it's not that you know, we can't stand Daniel Jones

1096
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: because this is an imperfect science. But when you look

1097
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: at Daniel Jones the prospect, and I'm right down here,

1098
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: he's back are and I mean, you have to kind

1099
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: of believe in a lot of development, a lot of

1100
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: what if if, if his team was better, a lot

1101
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: of this. I don't like that in a top ten pick. Now,

1102
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: granted there's been top ten picks that bust every year,

1103
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: but when I'm looking at a top ten pick, I

1104
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: don't want to look and say, Okay, well maybe if

1105
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: he has this, maybe if he has that, boy, he

1106
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: sure looks the part. I mean, listen, if it was

1107
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: a perfect science, tom Brady would have been a would

1108
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: have been there there. That calls Tom Brady to fall

1109
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: because this imperfect science that we use for the draft.

1110
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: There's these checklists and Tom Brady didn't meet those checklists.

1111
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: Joe Montana didn't meet those checklist and God bless Daniel Jones.

1112
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: I hope he turns into another und I think when

1113
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: you look at it from a scouting perspective, there's no way,

1114
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean, no way. This guy is a top ten pick.

1115
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: David David and all scouting that this is fair. You

1116
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: now you're being fair. You disagree with the pick because

1117
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: you disagree with the evaluation of the player. And if

1118
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: you disagree with the evaluation on the player, that's your opinion.

1119
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: That's your prerogative. That's fine. I get it. That's cool.

1120
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: So that's it. I mean, I think you're entitled to

1121
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: your opinion, and I get where you're coming from. The

1122
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: Giants obviously don't don't agree with that evaluation, and we'll

1123
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: find out who's right. And I and I obviously have

1124
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: no problem with him having a difference of opinion from

1125
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: a a fan that Dave Getlman knows more about football

1126
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: than than I'll ever hope to know. But here when

1127
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: it just seems like it lines up significantly different than

1128
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the league. Um, Peter kinge Heny Broncos

1129
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: have uh Lock as the number one guy. You're hearing

1130
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: some of the local ESPN Redskin reporters David David David David, David,

1131
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: David Gelman is his old man, and lord knows he's

1132
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: showed that. And like the last caller, there's a part

1133
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: of that I liked. But when you're just so far

1134
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: out in left field, David, hold David, all this again.

1135
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: You just said it. Though. You want to give the

1136
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Broncos credit for having locked number one, how bad do

1137
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: they look? He lasted off punch of pick he left.

1138
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: They lasted sixty picks in this track before he got picked. Well,

1139
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: their number one quarterback doesn't necessarily mean he was number

1140
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: one on the board, but they had him as their

1141
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: top rated quarterback. That's what I'm saying. I understand you're saying,

1142
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: but how many quarters got picked ahead of him? Three

1143
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: so high on the board, And if he was the

1144
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: number one quarterback, that's fine. But what I have trouble with,

1145
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: and what us fans have trouble with if Jones was

1146
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: your number one guy? You know, hey, you guys are

1147
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: the professionals. It's really hard to swallow. David. Listen. I

1148
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: I get I get your disagreement, David, David. I get

1149
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 1: your disagreement the call on the evaluation, and that's fine,

1150
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: and I get the fact that you're not a fan

1151
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: of the pick, but I'm not going to run with

1152
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: this narrative John that Peter King reported this, and Peter

1153
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: King ordered that, and Redskins Nation reported that, First of all,

1154
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: you have to understand something. When the Broncos take Drew

1155
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: Lock where they did, do you really think John Elway

1156
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,479
Speaker 1: and a member of the Broncos front office is gonna

1157
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: go to a media member John and they're going to say, yeah,

1158
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: we took Drew Lock, but Daniel Jones was number one

1159
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: on our board, or the Redskins with askin, Dwayne Haskins

1160
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: was who we took at fifteen, but Daniel Jones was

1161
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: number one on our board. Who in their right mind

1162
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: who just brings in a quarterback prospect is going to

1163
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: now throw him in the dumpster and say, you know what, Yeah,

1164
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: we like you, but you know you are our second

1165
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: or third choice. And and the fact that this is

1166
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: the problem I have when fans call up and use that.

1167
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not shooting down what David said. He started

1168
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: off with his evaluation, that's fine, John, but when he

1169
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: started to go with the reporting, that's where I lose you.

1170
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: And and I'm not gonna give you any substance whatsoever

1171
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: with respect to those arguments, because you have to think

1172
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: like a realistic person. There is no team, from a

1173
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: pr standpoint, that is going to you throw the guy

1174
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: they just drafted under the bus to make another team

1175
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: look good or bad. They're just not going to do that.

1176
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: That's not how this industry plays out. So I don't

1177
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: care what Peter kan It's no disrespect is reporting or

1178
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: anything else, but he is getting that info from a

1179
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: team that just drafted a quarterback that wants to look

1180
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: good because they just drafted that quarterback. And again, Jenny

1181
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: Ventures said that she thought that you would be gone

1182
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: by the time seventeen came along. Davy Edelman said he

1183
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: knows it. Jim Nagy said that he knew more teams

1184
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: with Jones at of Haskins and Haskins ahead of Jones.

1185
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: So there's really no way to know for sure. No

1186
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: one's gonna get a look at all these boards and

1187
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: nobody and I'm certainly not telling you to believe that

1188
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: report and dismiss this report. I'm saying, look at all reports,

1189
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: but at least think it through before you take it

1190
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: to the bank, because at the end of the day,

1191
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: all of this is hypothetical. We're not ever going to

1192
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 1: live in a world where Daniel Jones doesn't go six

1193
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: and determine factually whether or not he would have been

1194
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: there at seventeen. There is no earth to correct where

1195
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: that happened. There is no argument that anybody could sell

1196
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: me on that you can prove that that would have happened.

1197
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: It's all the kuda would have should a hypothetical game.

1198
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: It's all nice if there's a range of outcomes, just

1199
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: like what player evaluations, and it could happen to might not.

1200
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: Who knows. Marco and Connecticut's down next. We got two

1201
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: calls before we close and wrap. Marco. What's up? Yeah, guys,

1202
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: awesome stuff all weekend, John, thank you for everything you've done.

1203
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Appreciate This last caller really made me think

1204
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot. That was a good call. David's a great caller, Dave,

1205
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: it's a good caller. Man. Here's the thing with the pick,

1206
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: because I've been thinking a lot about this and Lance

1207
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: to your point, it's not right. You're not going to

1208
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: give it any substance. The issue here and I think,

1209
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: and I think I can't like figure out what the

1210
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: media stands is I think the media is going back

1211
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: to last year, has a problem with and there's so

1212
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: many people covering the NFL now, so many people analytics,

1213
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: there's scouts, there's people that used to be in the NFL,

1214
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: former GM former player, and they're all on Twitter and

1215
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: they all have a voice about positional value and everything.

1216
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: And last year, when the Giants take Barkley and Gettleman

1217
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: has so much conviction about the pick, saying that he

1218
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: would have We're not gonna answer any phone calls, guys,

1219
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna make the pick. I wouldn't mean to pick

1220
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: in the first minute. The NFL left me and the

1221
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: whole NFL community is saying, well, hang on a second,

1222
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: you're not taking any calls or you're you're drafting running

1223
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: back that I And let me just tell you, I

1224
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: love Barkley, and I love Gettleman, and I love that

1225
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: he's got enough conviction to say at number six, we

1226
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: got our guy. We got this quarterback. We're gonna take

1227
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: home now, Marco, Marco real quick. I will say this,

1228
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: it was a lot closer this year. You know, he

1229
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: used the word agonizing to pick Jones over Alan. So

1230
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: while last year the reason that Giants didn't pick a

1231
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: quarterback in two thousand seventeen. Isn't that they didn't like

1232
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: the quarter two has anything. I'm sorry, It's because they

1233
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: had Barkley just graded so ridiculously high that they couldn't

1234
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: go down a whole level on their board or horizontal

1235
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: row if you want to talk about it that way,

1236
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: to pick the next guy. Based on what Dave Gentleman said,

1237
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Jones was on the same row as other defensive players.

1238
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: But it's the importance of the position in the quarterback

1239
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: that tipped the scale in his favor. So fair, That's fair. Now,

1240
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: I guess I'm thinking though, and I'd love to get

1241
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: your guys opinion on this last year when they're drafting

1242
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: and they're thinking about, we're gonna go in with you,

1243
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: like we're gonna give it another go, we're gonna revamp

1244
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: the team. We're gonna give Eli s Klon Barkley, Right

1245
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: are they thinking? And by the way, this is kind

1246
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: of where we project the two thousand nineteen quarterbacks. And

1247
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking that is when they're picking at

1248
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: number six and they're passing on a Josh Allen and

1249
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: there some people think maybe they're settling for Daniel Jones

1250
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: or they're going in for their guy. Are they thinking like, Okay,

1251
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna take Jones here, because two quarterbacks kind of

1252
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: shape up like this for us um No the cover,

1253
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I think Marco the point that Dave Ghetto made, I

1254
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: think it was in his interview with Albert Brier in

1255
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: his Calm this morning, basically said, look what happens if

1256
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: we're picking eighteenth or nineteen or twentie next year? How

1257
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: the are we gonna go get the guy we want

1258
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 1: to get? Anyway, you might not even have the chance

1259
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: to go get him because other teams could be interesting.

1260
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's always the possibility trade. But I'll take

1261
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: it a step further. And thanks with the call, MARKO,

1262
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: we gotta run. I'll take it a step further. John,

1263
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: just call back and I'll make sure I give you

1264
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: more time next time. How do you know what's gonna

1265
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: happen with two in this college season? Or Herbert? How

1266
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: do you know what's gonna happen with Herbert this college season?

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Speaker 1: You can't predict what happens if they get hurt and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden the prospects are not as high.

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Speaker 1: Herbert was very inconsistent this year. What if he's bad

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Speaker 1: is a bad year, you know, this whole rolling of

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Speaker 1: the dice and saying that, well, we're right now thinking

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Speaker 1: that the two thousand twenty quarterbacks are projecting better, just

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Speaker 1: like I don't think the conversation with Barkley was even well,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna be coming out in two thousand nineteen at

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position? It wasn't. It was Barkley's the best.

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Speaker 1: Just evaluate this class period, who's the best guy? And

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Speaker 1: leave it at that. Final caller, Will in Houston will

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Speaker 1: wrap us a will We're a little over. You got

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Speaker 1: about sixty seconds, man, alright, cool. Yeah, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the corners before, but now that one's talking

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Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks in the media, so I'm actually gonna

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Speaker 1: stick with that. Whatever you want. One of the things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I think is important

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Speaker 1: to understand is that there's always going to be a

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Speaker 1: disconnect between where the media has someone graded and scouted

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Speaker 1: and where the g MS in front office actually has

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Speaker 1: someone Yeah for sure, for sure and just just because

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Speaker 1: again and and the last caller and actually has two

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Speaker 1: callers had mentioned us we're in this era where there's

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Speaker 1: so many outlets and people that are telling us what

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Speaker 1: they think, and it becomes what we think, and and

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Speaker 1: everyone has this consensus on hey, here's the quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 1: this guy should be he will will will real fast.

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Speaker 1: You know what it is. It is an echo chamber.

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Speaker 1: So one person says it and then it just gets

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Speaker 1: echoed back and forth by a bunch of other people

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Speaker 1: that that's exactly what happens, you right, yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And then once that pick doesn't happen, then everyone's climber saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: this is what we had. And of course the media

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Speaker 1: is not going to say, well we were wrong. They

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Speaker 1: must be right. And then I I actually think that

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Speaker 1: I was I was going to talk about the corners,

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Speaker 1: but this is, this is this is one of the

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Speaker 1: things that almost kind of pairs with that one of

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Speaker 1: the more consensus number one corners in this drap. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty Williams. How many corners went ahead of them in

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Speaker 1: this traft, you know what I mean. So it's like

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Speaker 1: it's it's like these guys are trying to project the

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Speaker 1: predict but they think and then with the front officers

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Speaker 1: think maybe completely different depending on scheme, fit, personality, and culture,

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Speaker 1: how they're going to be, you know, with within that

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Speaker 1: specific team. And I just think that it's hard for

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Speaker 1: you know, your fans to kind of understand that sometimes

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Speaker 1: just because they're always getting this information to warning for

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Speaker 1: seven from one or two people or one or two

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Speaker 1: news outlets. Well, I want to take any more of

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Speaker 1: your time, thank you? Yeah, I just want to add

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Speaker 1: to that. These teams get so much more information and

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Speaker 1: exposure to these kids then we do or anyone else

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Speaker 1: in the media. Does you know David Jeremy is an

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Speaker 1: ex scalt. He knows what he's doing. He's good at

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Speaker 1: what he does. Knows that evaluated prospects. He did it

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Speaker 1: for a living. He was trained by the best. He

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Speaker 1: was at a really good front office in Baltimore that

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Speaker 1: was one of the best drafting teams in the league

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Speaker 1: when he was there. Does he get to spend the

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Speaker 1: whole day with these kids on the team, visit in

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Speaker 1: the facility. Does he get a fifteen minutes to sit

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Speaker 1: alone and at a combine to to do a winder

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Speaker 1: look test with these kids? Is he is he at

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Speaker 1: the medical evaluations? For him? They're not, none of the

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Speaker 1: none of us are. We do the best we can

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Speaker 1: with the information available to us. The teams have so

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Speaker 1: much more information and exposure to these kids to make

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Speaker 1: these decisions. Heck, if you just go off the film,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Giants thing, just off the film, Haskins, maybe

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Speaker 1: he's better than Daniel Jones, just off the film. But

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Speaker 1: maybe there's other aspects that makes them change their mind.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Nobody does. That's the point. There's a lot. And Dave

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Speaker 1: get him and made this point when they made to

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Speaker 1: pick On on Thursday. Lights to the last thing I

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Speaker 1: said before we wrap up, and I'll let you give

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Speaker 1: your take on it, that it was as much as

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Speaker 1: his play on the field was important, and he said

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Speaker 1: he loved his play on tape and everything about him

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Speaker 1: before he got to meet the kid and all that

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Speaker 1: other stuff. But it's all that stuff handling New York,

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Speaker 1: being steady, being tough, like you mentioned, all those things

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Speaker 1: come in addition to what you saw on tape, and

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Speaker 1: that's the stuff that they have exposure to that we don't,

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Speaker 1: and that can all the times sway teams in terms

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Speaker 1: of where they want to go in the draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think those conversations that happened

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Speaker 1: behind closed doors, which is the best way to sum

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Speaker 1: it up. Nobody who doesn't mock draft has that information.

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Speaker 1: I don't care whether you had a source tell you

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Speaker 1: what went on in that room. If you weren't in

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Speaker 1: that room, you didn't experience it, then it's hard for

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Speaker 1: you to truly say what the X factor was that

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Speaker 1: pushed them over. But the more and more I listened

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Speaker 1: to what some of Duke's coaches have to say, the

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Speaker 1: more and more I hear more stories about Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: and this toughness angle and the adversity angle, being a

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Speaker 1: walk on, overcoming obstacles, playing through injuries. I'm not surprised,

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Speaker 1: based on the decision making that influenced the Giants with

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Speaker 1: previous quarterbacks John that Daniel Jones appealed to them. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Dwayne Haskins he didn't have any

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Speaker 1: of that, But they may have not gotten that out

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Speaker 1: of the conversations they had with members of the Ohio

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Speaker 1: State coaching staff talking with Haskins and people that are

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Speaker 1: around him, as much as they got out of those

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Speaker 1: conversations with Jones and people that are related to him,

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Speaker 1: who knows. I don't know. I remember that there was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely all right, let's say goodbye for Lance Mitow.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmilk Big. We'll kick off live tomorrow, will

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Speaker 1: be back with another addition, taking more of your calls

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Speaker 1: on on the draft, and we'll try to start getting

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Speaker 1: on some guests as well to give us some extra

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 1: insight on these draft picks as well. For Lansom Schmelk,

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Speaker 1: we'll see tomorrow