Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it is exclusive episode of rock
Speaker 1: Solid podcast Yours Truly Memphis Bleak Live from Koyak, France.
Speaker 1: Man told me Koyak and this is brought to you
Speaker 1: by Advanced Productions. My guys holding me down, but let's
Speaker 1: toast to my partner who's oh in the building aka
Speaker 1: Tommy Vegan. Sir, when you see the sign that means
Speaker 1: the Mafias and the magi feak here man something my.
Speaker 2: Guy, Man nothing, man, just honor to be here, yo, dude,
Speaker 2: on this journey back again.
Speaker 3: We was just hand September.
Speaker 2: Right during the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We was here September during the super Bowl. We didn't
Speaker 1: make it to New Orleans. And it's crazy that all
Speaker 1: of Flower was everything was dead.
Speaker 3: It was cold.
Speaker 1: We was running around, but we had to come to
Speaker 1: the chateau. But why I got my guy, Tommy ve
Speaker 1: Gan on with me right now because he's a very
Speaker 1: very important person when it comes to this brand. Do say,
Speaker 1: because when we first launched the brand, who got the
Speaker 1: call pools?
Speaker 2: Nah? Yeah, we started this. Like I said, it was
Speaker 2: the opportunity of a lifetime. What year was it actually
Speaker 2: twenty twelve?
Speaker 3: I want to say, yeah, it was twelve years ago,
Speaker 3: so yeah, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: And you had run up to the office to talk
Speaker 2: to Jay, and like the rest was history. I think
Speaker 2: from there you said I needed the opportunity to work
Speaker 2: and do something different. The music. The music thing was
Speaker 2: was in and out, like you weren't really into it time.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, keep it clean till that shit was dried up.
Speaker 2: Like we could say that, say that part the.
Speaker 3: Music was dried. It wasn't checking for bleak.
Speaker 2: But I was just in the right place at the
Speaker 2: right time. I had. I had driven you to the office.
Speaker 3: That day, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then you came out with the bottle, if I
Speaker 2: believe I'm correct, right, and you said we need to
Speaker 2: start making some moves.
Speaker 1: Yo, And then it's crazy. Let me tell y'all that's
Speaker 1: real scenario. So I called Jay. I tell him, hey, yo, Jay,
Speaker 1: the music ain't going down. I need something else, man,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to try something outside of
Speaker 1: being an artist.
Speaker 3: And he was like, Yo, you ready to work.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You can't be showing up to the meet and smelling
Speaker 1: like weed bleak. You can't be sleep at the meetings.
Speaker 1: Wilding out. So I'm like, nah, man, this ain't bleak.
Speaker 1: This is Malik. I really really need a shot. Bro
Speaker 1: give me something. So he like, all right, I got
Speaker 1: something for you. Come to the office. You show me
Speaker 1: the bottle, we take a shot. He like, bleak, you did.
Speaker 1: You can move this, and I'm like, of course. Now,
Speaker 1: Pools was downstairs because at this time the office was
Speaker 1: just built. And remember they didn't have the parking.
Speaker 2: Lanes they started just started.
Speaker 1: The Pools was holding it down so we didn't get
Speaker 1: a two hundred and twenty five dollar ticket. That's how
Speaker 1: they bang you in New York two twenty five or
Speaker 1: one twenty five, one of those. So Jay gave me
Speaker 1: the bottle. I'm like, yo, you know me, I'm a hustler.
Speaker 1: I used to sell fireworks, crack whatever. I could move this.
Speaker 1: So he like, show me what you could do. I
Speaker 1: go downstairs to the car. I show Pools or the bottle.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, Pools. Hope said, if we could move
Speaker 1: this and turn this up, we could take over. Pool said,
Speaker 1: I got you bleak.
Speaker 2: Yeah from there. I mean it's like the wheels turned.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna take the credit because all I
Speaker 1: did was steal the deal. But Pool said, y'a, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make one call to my man, my tale you
Speaker 1: t town.
Speaker 3: So now mind you, I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 3: Tell him who your tale was a tale?
Speaker 2: He well, he's just a guy uptown, if you know.
Speaker 2: You know, he ran all the cabs services on Marina,
Speaker 2: which was the biggest club at the time. Like Marina
Speaker 2: was wasn't even a Marina.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just it was just the
Speaker 3: West Side was just building it, right, they were just
Speaker 3: opening it.
Speaker 2: He was he was getting ready to launch, you know,
Speaker 2: at the right time. So we had brought the.
Speaker 3: Bay to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Pools off the rip called me bleek. My
Speaker 1: man uptown got a new club, Colllin Marina. He want
Speaker 1: to buy a hundred cases. You gotta come here. You
Speaker 1: gotta meet me up here right now. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's shoot up there. I get to the meeting.
Speaker 1: It's the representative for the NYC Taxi Cab Commission. It's
Speaker 1: like anything ever happened in NYC with it with a taxi.
Speaker 3: He was on the new guy. But I don't know Spanish,
Speaker 3: so you know, that's where he was, and he was
Speaker 3: going hard representing for.
Speaker 1: The Dominicans, anybody, any immigrant, Mexican, Dominican, any Latin descent.
Speaker 3: He was representing.
Speaker 1: So to see him at the meeting was like booso
Speaker 1: for dull.
Speaker 3: You know, the cab.
Speaker 2: Dude, the taxi dude shout and yeah.
Speaker 1: And he wanted to buy a Hondrey cases. His whole
Speaker 1: thing was Yo. I'm like, Yo, you buy a Hundrey cases.
Speaker 1: I guarantee j gonna pull up. I remember at this time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you gotta have the boat doc built
Speaker 1: because Jay want to come in on the yacht.
Speaker 2: He said, what was it gonna take to get Jay here?
Speaker 2: And then we said in.
Speaker 1: The boat the cases, the hondred cases in the boat
Speaker 1: dove right. We never got the boat dock, but we
Speaker 1: got the honey cases moving. And you know what's so
Speaker 1: iconic about the honey cases because when they first started
Speaker 1: to do, say, there wasn't no salary, there wasn't no Yo,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make this much a marsh You're gonna do nothing.
Speaker 3: It was commission.
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, for every case you moved, bleak,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you fifty dollars off for case. So
Speaker 1: mind you who's with I went crazy, honey off. So
Speaker 1: then I called my bro uncle b I Brooklyn liquor store.
Speaker 3: We've been going to.
Speaker 2: The whole life Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Shout out my dog Mic
Speaker 3: over there.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, murder Ave got the liquor
Speaker 1: store boom in our whole life, go talk the mic.
Speaker 3: Mike bought a honey Then I called my dog Fred.
Speaker 2: C out Vegas expansion.
Speaker 1: The poems could seine off went on the lits. I
Speaker 1: got a call to the office. You know what they said, bleak,
Speaker 1: we can no longer give you commission.
Speaker 3: You bleed us drive. We're gonna give you a salary
Speaker 3: and we're gonna hold you there, continue doing your thing.
Speaker 2: You have to keep in mind that was twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: so fast forward. Here we're in twenty twenty six, and
Speaker 2: to be here at the Chateau is it's something that
Speaker 2: you can't even describe.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to bring him through the journey,
Speaker 1: like back in the day to begin members like I
Speaker 1: don't like bringing up other brands, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: name other brands.
Speaker 3: But it was difficult to get Duce poppermember.
Speaker 1: It was another brand out there, paying bars clubs and
Speaker 1: restaurants right not.
Speaker 3: To put us on the shelf.
Speaker 1: So we had to deal with all of that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and think about it. We even
Speaker 1: had haters on our team. I even had ambassadors that
Speaker 1: would find out I got a certain account member.
Speaker 3: We got love and lesson Brooklyn, lot of jealousy YO had.
Speaker 1: It was another Duce ambassador who went to the cloud
Speaker 1: and told the promoter, Yo, don't deal with Bleak.
Speaker 3: He's a rapper man. You want to buy it?
Speaker 2: Didn't take you serious as an entrepreneur yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pools man, the rat has been crazy, right, how
Speaker 1: much do say you that had in your trunk?
Speaker 2: God, it was it was like selling out of my trunk,
Speaker 2: like bootlegging, you know what I mean. At that time,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, it wasn't distributed yet, so we had bottles
Speaker 2: coming from here Cognac. And then when you get to
Speaker 2: you know, I highly recommend if you get to come
Speaker 2: out here and come on a tour and just experience
Speaker 2: this entire. Yeah, this entire. The way that it's made,
Speaker 2: the way that everything is done here is unique and
Speaker 2: that's what makes it special. So I don't think is
Speaker 2: really in competition with anybody else. Because of the history
Speaker 2: of the of the castle and the way that everything
Speaker 2: is done here. It's just different. It's a history, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a history lesson, it really is, and I'm a
Speaker 2: nerd for that. So, like I said, the energy just
Speaker 2: when you come here, if you get a chance to
Speaker 2: visit Chateau de Cognac, highly recommend the tour and the
Speaker 2: people here. Everyone here is incredible, So shout out to
Speaker 2: advanced productions and all the people that work at the museum.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 1: But you're saying they like we about long golf.
Speaker 2: I just got here to meet everybody. So I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm still blown away by the whole.
Speaker 1: Like Tommy Vegan is in his element, no I am,
Speaker 1: He's in relaxed.
Speaker 3: I wish you would have saw Tommy Vegan in Paris.
Speaker 2: It's a certain kind of energy here. You know, it's
Speaker 2: different than being in New Jersey and New York. You
Speaker 2: know where we're from, so where we Yeah, it's a different,
Speaker 2: different energy here.
Speaker 3: So it's just.
Speaker 2: We live right now. You know, Like just left Paris
Speaker 2: and I did a couple of days there. I know
Speaker 2: you had your daughter at Disney, you know, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like a talking about yo, jay man.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a workation for you though.
Speaker 3: Yo, when they're gonna take their kids or they girl.
Speaker 2: Out, listen, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about what. Don't worry about the wrap side,
Speaker 3: the family side.
Speaker 2: But just you know, like I said, I was out
Speaker 2: here when I was younger, at twenty one, I didn't
Speaker 2: get to really experience Paris and then running around, you know,
Speaker 2: with you on tour everywhere. Being able to come back
Speaker 2: here and experience it as an adult, it's a whole
Speaker 2: different vibe, yo.
Speaker 1: But let's give him some history about you, man, like,
Speaker 1: thank god everything is legal now.
Speaker 3: Rest in peace to my bro Ralph. Ralph was my dog.
Speaker 1: If you seen round here video here the reason the
Speaker 1: doors was up in the truck that gave me all
Speaker 1: the whips. Lay stole my whips after my guy. But
Speaker 1: he used to brag about this guy who had good
Speaker 1: weed in Jersey. He used to be like, Yo, my bro, Poozo,
Speaker 1: he got that fire bleak.
Speaker 3: You gotta meet him. So one day we ride bikes, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, going to Beer Mountain and he like, yo,
Speaker 1: my boy lived right over here, bleek let's stop by
Speaker 1: the crib.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I need some wee. Let's pull up.
Speaker 1: The one time my god, Tommy Vegan actually had good weeds.
Speaker 2: That's how you're gonna You're gonna drop that to.
Speaker 1: Day I met him, the pack was fire, me and
Speaker 1: my man Saffee, shout out, Saffee. We just pulling up
Speaker 1: to the crib by zips. I think you lost that connection.
Speaker 2: Not at all. You're You're just you're a kinnoisseur. So
Speaker 2: it's hard to keep a client like you happy all
Speaker 2: the time, you know what I mean, Because you're you're
Speaker 2: you have a different kind of uh you know, caste
Speaker 2: bud for for the for the bud, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's it's different. You're you're very hard to keep satisfied
Speaker 2: in that department because I feel like you're traveling all
Speaker 2: over the world, so you have the opportunity to smoke
Speaker 2: on all kinds of exams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I recognized tra personally.
Speaker 2: I'm only you recognized I go from howd I go
Speaker 2: from such a great thing to such a track?
Speaker 3: Did you lose?
Speaker 2: What do you think I'm baiting and switching on you?
Speaker 3: I don't know. We don't connect we don't. But now
Speaker 3: I'm the connect, like you see how life work. He
Speaker 3: started out as my con that now I'm your connect.
Speaker 2: Well there's an element of truth to that though, if
Speaker 2: you think about it, because what you and I had
Speaker 2: built with mine, right, I'm saying my right exotic, it
Speaker 2: surpassed me because you guys actually started growing your own
Speaker 2: So I never I never had I never really had
Speaker 2: an opportunity. I was always trying to pay someone to
Speaker 2: do it for me, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: when you guys, I saw you building that part of
Speaker 2: the business.
Speaker 1: This is the This is why we connect because you
Speaker 1: know they used to say back in the days when
Speaker 1: hydro and ship first came out.
Speaker 3: Who had it? The white boys? Right? We know what
Speaker 3: I did have me.
Speaker 2: You're right about that, but you you would know better
Speaker 2: because you know it started in Holland, started in Amsterdam.
Speaker 2: So you know those old growers, Jack Hira, Northern Lights,
Speaker 2: all those old strands, they came from Holland. And then
Speaker 2: what happened is they migrated over to California. And so
Speaker 2: you know about that. You've been in Amsterdam how many
Speaker 2: times in your life?
Speaker 3: Four million times?
Speaker 2: Yea four million?
Speaker 3: And he's three million times.
Speaker 1: I've been to Kolnak twice, right right, so we gotta
Speaker 1: add some more.
Speaker 2: We should talk about that too. So we were out
Speaker 2: here during the Super Bowl toa we gotta bring that
Speaker 2: one back, and then we got to take the tour here.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely incredible. Once again, I can't stop talking
Speaker 2: about it because of how incredible it is. That being said,
Speaker 2: I said, how can I get bleak back here? Yo,
Speaker 2: to you know, to do some kind of an event
Speaker 2: or do something so low and behold Sullivan. Shout out
Speaker 2: Sullivan put us on. There's a music festival in Kgnak
Speaker 2: July second. So I said to myself, we gotta make
Speaker 2: this happen because I don't think a hip hop artist,
Speaker 2: let alone an artist, has ever performed at the Chateau Cognac.
Speaker 2: So that being said is it's history being made here.
Speaker 2: And then you know, we were able to make this happen.
Speaker 2: So shout out Sullivan for having us and making this happen.
Speaker 2: But the music festival I'm most excited to see because
Speaker 2: last time we were here was cold. We didn't get
Speaker 2: to really enjoy this.
Speaker 3: East Hampton right.
Speaker 2: The river, so that the drop is beauty here. So
Speaker 2: I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're excited because you know you the hype man.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Listen, we we talked about this. I know pretty much
Speaker 2: like ninety percent of your lyrics. So in my head,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, maybe I could be an artist
Speaker 2: one day.
Speaker 3: You could be the hype man tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I got it. I got a team of people.
Speaker 1: We was rehearsing right on the back and we rehearse it.
Speaker 1: My man was helping me because I forgot some of
Speaker 1: the lyrics.
Speaker 3: But he's like, yo, I know.
Speaker 1: All the lyrics, so he helping me. That's not my
Speaker 1: I was telling him he was one second, but that's.
Speaker 2: Not I'm always going to because I'm a fan man.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, so I grew I
Speaker 2: grew up listening to your music. Jah Ru, you know
Speaker 2: all that coming up, so Nori like, I grew up
Speaker 2: on all that music. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know that that to me, I know every single
Speaker 2: line of all those tracks you could play, but I
Speaker 2: never performed, so I'll never be able to. People don't
Speaker 2: realize That's one thing I've been on the road with
Speaker 2: you forever. That's how difficult it is.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite trip with me? We've been every man.
Speaker 3: Your favorite.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them, bro, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: My favorite, I would. I'm gonna let you answer it.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite trip for me?
Speaker 2: For me, it was a Ruba just because that was
Speaker 2: right around the time you were about to get married,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't really it wasn't really any work stuff involved.
Speaker 2: Were able to just you know, chill out, see the island,
Speaker 2: kind of vibe, relaxed, drink du st.
Speaker 4: You know, said man's Canada Toronto would superstar j.
Speaker 3: I don't know who we were.
Speaker 2: Vancouver, Toronto went with me.
Speaker 3: When we got to the border, I was with you.
Speaker 2: Actually, as a matter of fact, you wouldn't have got
Speaker 2: in the country if it wasn't for me, because what I.
Speaker 3: Said, you went with me when we got to the border,
Speaker 3: I was with you.
Speaker 2: Won't get too specific specific because they don't want to
Speaker 2: let me in.
Speaker 1: This is when we was illegal. So I used to
Speaker 1: know no no bull right. I'm gonna tell y'all real
Speaker 1: quick recap. I used to get locked up for we
Speaker 1: every week in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: In my town.
Speaker 1: There was a captain who had I don't know, he
Speaker 1: just didn't like me whenever he sing my car pull
Speaker 1: that shit over.
Speaker 3: So I remember telling this copy I'm.
Speaker 1: Not the average dude. I don't sell drugs in your community.
Speaker 1: I'm just coming through and you just for some reason
Speaker 1: he's pulling me over. I got no problem with y'all
Speaker 1: out of that. Harassment, straight harassment. So I called my
Speaker 1: lawyer and I told him. He says, the chief, the
Speaker 1: chief not supposed to be fucking with you. So the
Speaker 1: chief we win. My lawyer win sued them, did this
Speaker 1: for harassment. He got fired. Long story short, here we
Speaker 1: go going to Canada. All his charges fucked me up.
Speaker 3: They didn't want to let me in Canada and they said,
Speaker 3: you got too many charges. Go home.
Speaker 2: Let me take over from that part. So I'm at
Speaker 2: the window and we're talking to the lady for immigration
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, your friend is definitely not coming
Speaker 2: into the country because he has, you know, fifty arrests
Speaker 2: from marijuana and that's not happening. So I was, you know,
Speaker 2: he's about to curse her out, and I was. I said,
Speaker 2: please stand aside, let the Italian handle it.
Speaker 3: I gave it.
Speaker 2: I had a little you know, I had a little
Speaker 2: talk with the lady. I got her supervisor over. I said,
Speaker 2: he's got to perform with J. I made up a
Speaker 2: whole story. But I don't even think we're on toward
Speaker 2: J and I just made up a whole I think
Speaker 2: I made up a whole story that he has to
Speaker 2: perform with Jay.
Speaker 3: I'm going to get fired with Superstars.
Speaker 2: I made up a whole story, but a bunch of
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. But anyway, eventually they led us in
Speaker 2: the country and I did, I pulled my finesse, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And I made that happen. We
Speaker 2: were with Superstar J too, and then we took the
Speaker 2: whole tour. So we're in Toronto, I believe. Then we
Speaker 2: went to Winnipeg. We did a couple of tracks Winnipeg
Speaker 2: Shoutout Peace, Silvan and Winnipeg did a couple did a
Speaker 2: couple of tracks in the snow trip. Because bring that
Speaker 2: trip up to this day where he legendary legend.
Speaker 3: I ain't know when you was taking that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was five cities in six days.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was Winnipeg, Edmonton, a bunch of Yeah, the coldest
Speaker 1: place you can ever go besides Finland, Finland too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Winnipeg is is a negative five, negative six,
Speaker 2: you know, sub temperatures. But a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: realize you're an exhausting person. Bro, since we're going to
Speaker 2: break it down and get and get and get roll
Speaker 2: with the like how that happened? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: But going on tour with you is exhausting, So let
Speaker 2: that be known. It's not a time like you think
Speaker 2: you get to enjoy the cities and have a good
Speaker 2: time with bleak, get up, we gotta go, get up,
Speaker 2: we gotta go. It's non stop. So it's an exhausting process.
Speaker 2: So since you want to go through it, people probably
Speaker 2: get the wrong concept misconception of what it is in Toronto, relaxing,
Speaker 2: hanging out, playing drake. There's none of that. You go
Speaker 2: to bed, you sleep for three hours and your door
Speaker 2: is getting kicked in. There's no grace period. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's work. It's always worked.
Speaker 3: I don't think nobody always the work. We did. We
Speaker 3: did five cities in one day.
Speaker 2: It was it was a yeah, it was like I said,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Just in New Jersey. Remember we just did five cities
Speaker 1: in one day. Remember not even we did.
Speaker 2: But the Baltimore DMV joint.
Speaker 1: We did Brooklyn, Remember we started in Brooklyn, went to Manhattan,
Speaker 1: shot two podcasts, drove the Delaware to meet somebody to
Speaker 1: do a walk through at a grow, Drove the DC
Speaker 1: to go test my right new product, drove back the
Speaker 1: Delaware for another walkthrough of exactle, drove the New Jersey
Speaker 1: shot another podcast, drove the New York, shot a video
Speaker 1: with Smoke Dizzer, and then woke up at seven am
Speaker 1: the next day to fly to another city.
Speaker 2: That again, this is how welage. The knowledge is different,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it started in cars.
Speaker 2: Now now you're really up in the air now though,
Speaker 2: So it's elevation man. But like I said, behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize the work that goes
Speaker 2: into it to prepare to get to this point, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So you know it's hours and
Speaker 2: hours in the car, hours and hours on the phone,
Speaker 2: hours and hours of non stop you know. So that
Speaker 2: part I I salute you because if if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for the hard work, we definitely wouldn't be here. So
Speaker 2: and this position wasn't given to you either. Let's let
Speaker 2: that be know, and I've been on the road with you.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I had to earn it.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, I'm on I'm on your show now.
Speaker 2: But but to give you your flowers, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Jane thought I was gonna play with this, that I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna take dud Say serious.
Speaker 3: His whole thing was, I know you will show up
Speaker 3: to me and you can't. They're gonna call me. You
Speaker 3: can't gonna miss meetings.
Speaker 1: They're gonna call me. He said, I'm just waiting for it.
Speaker 1: I went, so, man, it's my ship.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't blame him because he's known you since you
Speaker 2: were a kid. So's the same way you hire like
Speaker 2: you gave. That's another thing. You gave a lot of
Speaker 2: people positions and jobs and opportunity these and other things.
Speaker 2: Not just do s. But the thing it opened up
Speaker 2: my lane for me. I mean, I made I made
Speaker 2: a huge you know, it was name for myself. Just
Speaker 2: saw that lane. Yeah, it was Mafia. You know, that
Speaker 2: was the original thing that.
Speaker 3: We made Yomember. Remember that. I remember telling Jay to
Speaker 3: give us the budget to make.
Speaker 1: And he told me we had nobody ain't gonna wear
Speaker 1: no liquor brand on their chest.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what right that Pmber.
Speaker 1: We went made the Duce Mafia hats. They made the
Speaker 1: your shirt because he came back.
Speaker 2: It was the season Desist.
Speaker 3: He came back and season desist. Okay, you want to sell?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah right.
Speaker 1: You want to sell, little bro. We started this whole movement.
Speaker 1: That's why it's an honor to have you on this
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 3: We'll not I appreciate that the chateau, Come on, Chateau.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: This castle was built in ten.
Speaker 2: Thirty tenth century.
Speaker 3: It's almost century, thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: And then and then fast forward to Sullivan will beyond next.
Speaker 2: I believe to give us a little bit of a break,
Speaker 2: give your.
Speaker 3: History of the down everything you don't. We don't want
Speaker 3: to give too much.
Speaker 1: But I want you to understand what this brand really mean,
Speaker 1: because this brand is coming.
Speaker 3: To take over.
Speaker 2: Not really is me but love.
Speaker 3: At first, we came to conquer the docs. We did that.
Speaker 1: All dogskin, niggas collide, all dogskin fan you and me
Speaker 1: lock it.
Speaker 3: We did that. Now we're coming for the whites.
Speaker 1: Anything you mix tequila, anything you mix vakaate you put
Speaker 1: this in it, you change your life. Bet you never
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Speaker 1: Chateaud the Kojak Man We out here Koyak, France. Welcome
Speaker 1: my guy, my man Sullivan, the best ambassador, the brand ambassador,
Speaker 1: the best mixologist.
Speaker 3: And one of my very very good friends. Man.
Speaker 1: You know I met you over a glass Duce and
Speaker 1: we built a very very genuine, great relationship where we talk.
Speaker 3: Next, we just gotta get our kids together because you're
Speaker 3: in Florida. That's the next step.
Speaker 1: But last time you gonna know my guy. He definitely
Speaker 1: popped up on us. At the Live Duce event Roots Picnic,
Speaker 1: Sullivan was there. This time we get the real real
Speaker 1: history of the brand. We here, Like I said, man,
Speaker 1: we had Chateau, the Kognak and Kognak France and this
Speaker 1: is all about Duce and what better way to get
Speaker 1: the history and the history of the chateau, the history
Speaker 1: of France and the purpose and importance of Conya from
Speaker 1: none other then you, my brother.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's the man doing that, isn't you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying? What's up, my brother? How you doing?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Man, it's good to see you again.
Speaker 1: Man, you're the best dressed man. Like I gotta get
Speaker 1: like you don't worry. Five more, ten more pounds, ten
Speaker 1: more pounds. I'm going down like you know, like that.
Speaker 3: That's calling. That's pretty. I need to look as good
Speaker 3: as the blood. You know what I'm saying. That's right,
Speaker 3: you look good, my brother for shure. But yeah, we
Speaker 3: have the shotters Kognak full of history. Man.
Speaker 6: I'm happy that you are back here because we're here
Speaker 6: like four months ago. Yes, wintertime it was called it
Speaker 6: was krgnac, and there.
Speaker 1: Was no grapes on the tree. Was grapes on the
Speaker 1: trees everywhere you go. Now it's grapes. I see why
Speaker 1: they call it koyak. See, because like the green I
Speaker 1: was starting right now.
Speaker 6: We're going to harvest them in September and then we're
Speaker 6: gonna start making con living.
Speaker 3: What is kognak? You know, that's the thing like let's
Speaker 3: get into it. Let's break it down. What is co
Speaker 3: What is Karnak, my good friend, what is koyak? People
Speaker 3: don't even know what they drink and they drink it,
Speaker 3: they love it. They don't even know what it is.
Speaker 3: So give them some science, give them some history to it.
Speaker 3: How deep in this toy do we go? Let's go deep?
Speaker 1: They might say, pauls where I'm from. But ship women
Speaker 1: love when you go deep. So that's gonna be for
Speaker 1: the woman is Cognac. So we have to situate in
Speaker 1: the space.
Speaker 6: Right now, we're in Cognac, friends, in the southwest part
Speaker 6: of France strip about like four hundred kilometers of Paris.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much it is in miles, but
Speaker 3: it's in the.
Speaker 1: Listen and miles is about a good I say, probably
Speaker 1: like five hundred and some change because it's what five
Speaker 1: hours and forty five minutes by car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's about six hundred miles almost.
Speaker 6: Now we don't drive as fast as you do, like
Speaker 6: I feel that we'll be like two hundred like two fall.
Speaker 6: But so in the south of France, like not far
Speaker 6: from Bordo. This region was part of the Roman Empire
Speaker 6: during the Third century and then notice I'm talking, we're
Speaker 6: talking about history.
Speaker 3: To me, that's right injury.
Speaker 6: Then the so was really felt tired and they're like,
Speaker 6: let's just have to grow grapes in the region. So
Speaker 6: this became kind of a one region. First forward, we
Speaker 6: go to the twelve thirteenth century. We had an issue
Speaker 6: with the Marchland just up the coast of France, and
Speaker 6: we didn't know how to clear the flooding. So we
Speaker 6: called the Dutch that had some technique to help us
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 3: So they came.
Speaker 6: They help us out there and they started to trade
Speaker 6: the goods of the region out there, so we had
Speaker 6: a good quality of salts. They started to the salts
Speaker 6: because Dutch have been trading everything in the world.
Speaker 3: That that's what they did. They don't want smoking at bars.
Speaker 3: They had all the men two ideas, let's go, we
Speaker 3: got you you need help light out. One we got
Speaker 3: the player, let's go.
Speaker 6: So I love that, and I guess they want a
Speaker 6: bit high and they were like, oh, look there's this
Speaker 6: beautiful river which is the sharonk River, and that river
Speaker 6: goes all the way down to Connac. This is the
Speaker 6: river that just passed down the Chatau right here, okay,
Speaker 6: because all the way to so they took that river,
Speaker 6: they came down and then they saw that we're making wine.
Speaker 6: So they decided to trade this wine. So thirteenth century
Speaker 6: the wine trade started in Europe, and so they took
Speaker 6: the wine here, they break it back to Holland. But
Speaker 6: by then we're not putting any sulfire, so anything to
Speaker 6: keep the wine steady as we do today, like the
Speaker 6: organic ones that were the frenky ones that were today,
Speaker 6: that wasn't with the one that we're drinking back then.
Speaker 3: So by the time it got back to Horland, it wasn't.
Speaker 6: As good as it was the bright What a we're
Speaker 6: gonna do with that much French wine. So they decided
Speaker 6: to distill it. Because they were already making Geneva, which
Speaker 6: is the grandfather of the gym, so they knew how
Speaker 6: to distill. So they decided to distill this wine with
Speaker 6: the idea that by distilling this wine, they'll get a
Speaker 6: concentration of aromas that we give them kind of like
Speaker 6: the sense of the wine, and then top it with
Speaker 6: water and they would drink it like this to get
Speaker 6: the wine back.
Speaker 3: It didn't work out this way.
Speaker 6: It just created a whole new flavor, a whole new
Speaker 6: product that they were calling brand Winge, which means in
Speaker 6: Dutch burnt wine because to distill they were burning the wine.
Speaker 6: It was turning into him and became a liquid again
Speaker 6: and they were just drinking with water and it was
Speaker 6: a fantastic drink.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: British people are like, we love what you're guys doing
Speaker 6: with the French one up in Holland. We cannot pronounce
Speaker 6: it brand wins, so let's just rename it brandy.
Speaker 3: That's how the world brandy came to life. Wow.
Speaker 1: So brandy was originally invented in Holland by them messing
Speaker 1: up transporting the wine from France.
Speaker 3: Insane history happened by accidents, yo. Some of the greatest
Speaker 3: things in life happened by accident. That's what you already know.
Speaker 1: Some of the greatest joys we enjoying life happened by accident,
Speaker 1: for sure. So that's that's an amazing story. And I
Speaker 1: know they call it brandy because like they say, all
Speaker 1: brandy is Connak, but all Cognac came brandy.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, my brother, you got it wrong. All cognacs
Speaker 6: have brandy, but not all brand These are Connak. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I knew the slogan. I just had a bagward it.
Speaker 6: Because so the first alcohol that got the name brandy
Speaker 6: was the beginning of cognac. And uh, now brandy is
Speaker 6: the world that we use for any fruit distillate, which
Speaker 6: is what you have apple brandy, pit brandy, cherry brandy,
Speaker 6: all those tyff of brandy. When you use a fruit,
Speaker 6: you can collect a brandy. Now to be cognac you
Speaker 6: have to be made in the region of connect grapes
Speaker 6: here the grapes are all around.
Speaker 3: The city, yes, everywhere.
Speaker 6: And so those that kept on coming to friends just
Speaker 6: getting that much wine, shipping back to holland distilling it,
Speaker 6: and that was like, areer trendy Northern Europe way to drink?
Speaker 6: And at one point somebody idea, it was like, why
Speaker 6: do we keep going to Connect to take that much wine?
Speaker 6: And we go all the way up to a land
Speaker 6: with distiller and we have that much that detail of
Speaker 6: distiller because you lose so much in distillation. And so
Speaker 6: somebody that I need to bring the still in cognac.
Speaker 6: And so now French people started to find out, oh,
Speaker 6: that's what you've been doing with our because they were
Speaker 6: just selling training the white They had no idea what
Speaker 6: I was happening in there, and so they got into
Speaker 6: the process. So they were seeing that the dish were
Speaker 6: using like a specific steel, the stilling. Once drink it
Speaker 6: with water and the things that when you put the
Speaker 6: one into the distinction process, it comes out as clear
Speaker 6: as water, like a vodka gin like, that's clear.
Speaker 3: This is why you need the Kolyak generalmen which come
Speaker 3: to the chateau will share the whole thing, that's right.
Speaker 6: And so when they brought the still in in France,
Speaker 6: people started to the French people started to understand what
Speaker 6: they were doing, and they got involved in the process
Speaker 6: and they added a layer of complexity by double stilling,
Speaker 6: so that will raise the ABV and give you something
Speaker 6: like more pure. And that was the very beginning of conjunct.
Speaker 6: So now again the dish keep on trading the liquids.
Speaker 6: So this liquid, now that I was this still in Cognac,
Speaker 6: was put into cask because that's what's the only way
Speaker 6: you could travel, you could shift things. So they put
Speaker 6: the liquid into cask. And now they go back to
Speaker 6: Holland they opened the cast the lique with brown. So
Speaker 6: that's when we started to figure out that, oh, we
Speaker 6: can age it and it gets better and better, and
Speaker 6: then the first connect houses came because again like when
Speaker 6: they were distilling it in the in the in land,
Speaker 6: they were just getting the distillate and tried with water,
Speaker 6: so everything was clear. And now the liquid was sitting
Speaker 6: into the cast for several months or years and then
Speaker 6: it got brown and okay, because of the exchange of
Speaker 6: the liquid with the wood.
Speaker 3: We have barrels that's in this castle older than our country.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we do.
Speaker 6: I know, I've seen older than the country. Now we
Speaker 6: have the castle is definitely older than the country. We
Speaker 6: started making cognact Like the very first connect house was
Speaker 6: created in sixteen nineteen, so America was was already around
Speaker 6: the constitution, wasn't there.
Speaker 3: We celebrated two hundred and fifty years about sixteen nineteen.
Speaker 3: Well we're about to celebrate in four years the one hundred,
Speaker 3: the one thousand years.
Speaker 1: I know, I know four more years when we build
Speaker 1: this castle in ten thirty, ten thirty insane.
Speaker 6: So that's the the and that's part of the French
Speaker 6: history because I'm jumping back into Konuk in a minute,
Speaker 6: but this castle is the history of France.
Speaker 3: Is the history of Cognac is the history of French running.
Speaker 3: The French Renaissance was born here.
Speaker 6: Discastle was built in ten thirty. It became the royal
Speaker 6: castle of Knack in fourteen ninety four, when France is
Speaker 6: the first.
Speaker 3: The King of France was born in the room just
Speaker 3: before behind them, that's right.
Speaker 6: And the history history, history, history, fourteen ninety four history.
Speaker 3: So she started scared teaching this.
Speaker 6: I mean I got I had to come here to
Speaker 6: learn about it, like I didn't go to school to
Speaker 6: the ground.
Speaker 3: That's right. Even in the history books, I learned what
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the Cognac neither until I came here,
Speaker 1: until I met you, and then we did the tour.
Speaker 1: That's why I needed you to enlighten the people or
Speaker 1: what they drinking, what they enjoyed, because they don't understand
Speaker 1: the making of vs O P like vs O P
Speaker 1: XO like.
Speaker 3: Tell them the age difference. It takes five years the
Speaker 3: age vs O P it takes so basically cognac.
Speaker 6: The process to make cognac is you take grapes that
Speaker 6: must be grown around a specific perimeter around the town
Speaker 6: of Conjure.
Speaker 3: You take those grapes. You have them, but like mid September,
Speaker 3: you press them.
Speaker 6: It gives you a juice. You let this juice ferments
Speaker 6: or you're at some use. It gives you a wine,
Speaker 6: a one that you cannot really enjoy, is not a
Speaker 6: drinkable wine. So then you distill it, but you will
Speaker 6: distill it two times. So we have a specific like
Speaker 6: alumic char put steam ad a fully out of copper,
Speaker 6: and this has a way to kind of like burn
Speaker 6: with like an open fire fire. It burns the wine.
Speaker 6: The one s turns into steam. Steam goes into the
Speaker 6: swan neck. We're gonna put a picture of the.
Speaker 3: Stealing machine. Yes I know, we got that will help.
Speaker 3: We're gonna show them some footage of it. And then
Speaker 3: you have like the this liquid.
Speaker 6: You put your wine as about twelve person a BV
Speaker 6: into this almbic or still. The first distillation will give
Speaker 6: you a liquid that we call boui that is about
Speaker 6: thirty percent ABV.
Speaker 3: That's what the Ditch used to drink with water. That's
Speaker 3: the first distiller.
Speaker 6: Then the French came in and added you take that
Speaker 6: boui and you put it back into the distillation.
Speaker 3: Fours around and then give you.
Speaker 6: The OVV means water of life because you know, all
Speaker 6: the alcohols were created at the beginning with the sense
Speaker 6: of curing disease and water of life like drink a.
Speaker 3: Beer and you know it had.
Speaker 6: They created like wine and all that. The cure he
Speaker 6: cured does with moderation, always with moderation, but sure cured.
Speaker 6: But so you have this od V that then we're
Speaker 6: going to cask for several years minimum two years to
Speaker 6: be able to have the label cognak.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 6: And the thing is your row material is grapes, and
Speaker 6: every year the grapes change the same way your a
Speaker 6: vintages in wine. How do you achieve consistency consistency in cognac.
Speaker 3: With your row material always changing?
Speaker 6: Because if you like this really nice Petrius Chatau patrits,
Speaker 6: I know you like the good border one chattercuse of
Speaker 6: twenty twelve. The twenty fifteen is different, and that's what
Speaker 6: you like in ones because there's different ways of enjoying
Speaker 6: it because of the way the climate impact the grapes.
Speaker 3: I'm a friend, I'm a sern. All of this cognac,
Speaker 3: the King Karnak.
Speaker 6: Is consistency, yes, but how do you achieve consistency when
Speaker 6: your ro material is always changing years after years. They
Speaker 6: came up with the idea of blending different years together.
Speaker 6: So now we get into the subject. We are three
Speaker 6: main categories in cognac. Where VARs that means very special.
Speaker 6: That would mean that the youngest other v inside the
Speaker 6: barrel a spenime of two years.
Speaker 3: That's the bare minimum. Then you got vs. We don't
Speaker 3: want that. We at that, we don't want that.
Speaker 6: You want there, we got VSOP very superior, all Paine
Speaker 6: that means the youngest perdemen of four years and there
Speaker 6: so extra al it's a minimum.
Speaker 3: Of ten years and that's for every connac houses.
Speaker 6: So we have this those rules that are regulated by
Speaker 6: the bn i C Bureau Nasonal Anti professional Cognac is
Speaker 6: basically the office that rules and regulates everything when it
Speaker 6: comes to connec. Knak is one, if not the most
Speaker 6: regulated spirit in the world. There is so many rules
Speaker 6: that you have to follow to create cognac that that
Speaker 6: is really hard to make a bad cognac. I mean,
Speaker 6: like you have so many rules that That's why I
Speaker 6: love Konnak. It's a beautiful category, it's a beautiful spirit.
Speaker 6: But of course, all of this the most because of
Speaker 6: the way it's crafted, the way it's it's to kind
Speaker 6: of change the vision on how you perceive Cognac. Brings
Speaker 6: some modernity into Cognac. And that's what we've been doing.
Speaker 6: Like at Chadot's Cognac. Again, that's a castle that was
Speaker 6: built in ten thirty, but we started to make Connact
Speaker 6: in those walls in seventeen ninety five. Again I was saying,
Speaker 6: the first Connect house was created in sixteen nineteen, So
Speaker 6: seventeen ninety five we already knew what was cognact, how
Speaker 6: was Connect performing what you need to get the good Cognacs.
Speaker 6: So there's this guy bout Hotel that wanted to create
Speaker 6: his own Connect brand. He was looking for the right
Speaker 6: place to make connact.
Speaker 3: And seventeen ninety five were like six years.
Speaker 6: After the French Revolution, no more kings, right, so we're
Speaker 6: like what to do with all those castles? And they
Speaker 6: put dis castle up to auction and this one Mension
Speaker 6: visited the castle and bought it for one purpose to create.
Speaker 3: This Connact brand.
Speaker 6: Because the thing, the particularity of this castle, we have
Speaker 6: like ten feet wide walls and the fish right.
Speaker 3: In the Champrivier.
Speaker 6: I mean the river is right here, right there, and
Speaker 6: so this gives us like two different climates.
Speaker 3: We take that amsterday, yeah, the river and go all
Speaker 3: the way up to the coast with the trade trip.
Speaker 3: They was trading that yah yeah that yah yah for
Speaker 3: that win yo. So my thing is right. We enjoyed
Speaker 3: Cognak for so many years. A lot of people enjoyed
Speaker 3: this straight.
Speaker 1: Like what I love about what we created with do
Speaker 1: say we was able to blend what people enjoy straight
Speaker 1: and then what others enjoying that cosmopole cocktails Like you
Speaker 1: would say, you know you invented the blend of both
Speaker 1: here in France when people weren't doing that.
Speaker 3: What was your drive and your vision behind?
Speaker 6: So that's what that's I've been working with you for
Speaker 6: seven years now, but I've been in the hospitality for
Speaker 6: twenty years as well for my career.
Speaker 3: I love doing this this, I love this industry.
Speaker 6: And uh and I noticed in my bat in a
Speaker 6: carrier that Cognac wasn't really using cocktails.
Speaker 3: I'm like in bars you.
Speaker 6: Could see like fifteen thee Killers, twenty whiskeys. I don't
Speaker 6: know how many vodcasts because vodcast was really hardly still
Speaker 6: super super boom and and you know, I was looking
Speaker 6: to Cornac because I just had an epiphany when I
Speaker 6: was living in London, when I was like twenty and
Speaker 6: the things I had to be in London to discover Corgnac.
Speaker 3: That's a friend spirit.
Speaker 6: And then I said my about in the career, and
Speaker 6: I noticed Connac wasn't using cocktails, wasn't using bars, and
Speaker 6: so in every bar that I worked, I pushed for
Speaker 6: Cornach cocktails because with this epiphany, I called at the
Speaker 6: rat At Too moment, I had a really high cognac.
Speaker 6: I was working in a restaurant and the bar manager
Speaker 6: like after a dinner gave me like a massive glass
Speaker 6: of cognac and I could sip on it and I
Speaker 6: you know, like in Rata Too, when that piece of cheese,
Speaker 6: close the eyes, the fire works.
Speaker 3: That's what happened to me.
Speaker 6: I was twenty years old. In France, you're allowed to
Speaker 6: drink from eighteen. Okay, wow, so I was twenty years old.
Speaker 6: I wasn't in the age and I had this this
Speaker 6: moments and then I came back to France and realized
Speaker 6: cognac wasn't really celebrated. So I started to push it
Speaker 6: and alder Bards and I walked in Australia. I was
Speaker 6: putting cocktaila with cognac on the menus. Then I came
Speaker 6: back to France. Was part of the opinion of the
Speaker 6: cocktail about focus on whiskeys. But while I was in
Speaker 6: that bar, I was starting to discover like the other
Speaker 6: French spirits Calvados, Armagnac, and I fell in love with those,
Speaker 6: and so with a friend of mine Omar, were opened
Speaker 6: the Sindica in twenty fourteen, which was the very first
Speaker 6: and only cocktail in the world using only French alcohol,
Speaker 6: in order to showcase the craft that we're in friends
Speaker 6: to be proud of our liqueurs, because the thing is
Speaker 6: like ninety eight person of cognac is exported in France.
Speaker 3: We don't drink cognac. I know that. That's when I
Speaker 3: tell people that that yo, when you come back think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: I'm in Paris. I called you like, yo, bro, there's
Speaker 1: no way I can find a bat or do say.
Speaker 1: It's insane. They don't sell it anywhere, and we have
Speaker 1: to change that because it is not like the French
Speaker 1: don't love collyac, but I don't stay why they don't sell,
Speaker 1: they don't know much about it.
Speaker 6: In a way that the for us, it's our grandpa's
Speaker 6: spirits because commonly in France we've been enjoying cognac all
Speaker 6: those other leaks at the end of the meal that
Speaker 6: just needs traits.
Speaker 3: So that's the vision that we have when it comes
Speaker 3: to Cognac.
Speaker 6: The thing in America, Cognac we forgot about this, but
Speaker 6: Cognak was one of the most used spirits at the
Speaker 6: beginning of the cocktail culture in eighteen fifties, when cocktails
Speaker 6: were created in the Orleans or somewhere else in America,
Speaker 6: Cognac was the most readily available spirit and a lot
Speaker 6: of classic cocktails were created first with cognac and then
Speaker 6: on to other brands or the categories. And we forgot
Speaker 6: about that because of two big moments within the world.
Speaker 6: So again the cocktail errus are in eighteen fifties in America,
Speaker 6: the Sasaraq was one of the first cocktail created with cognac.
Speaker 3: It was greated with cognak.
Speaker 6: The brandy Crust, created in the Audians was the first
Speaker 6: cocktail with lemon juice in it, and so this inspired
Speaker 6: bartonders to open order to create other recipes using fresh
Speaker 6: and fresh juices.
Speaker 3: And you see that from the Brandy crystal. So that
Speaker 3: was a guy called Joseph somethin.
Speaker 6: He had a bar called Jewel of the South in
Speaker 6: New Orleans, and he created Brandy Kreuszler to be like
Speaker 6: the most sophisticate drink back then. So there was that
Speaker 6: cognac orangely care marskin o li care lemon juice and
Speaker 6: shaken a bit of soda, nice sugar rim and a
Speaker 6: big pill of lemon. And that was like the world
Speaker 6: cocktail of the the era, okay, and everybody was like
Speaker 6: really raving by that cocktail, and Bartonders started to look
Speaker 6: into this, Okay, this is a bit of like too
Speaker 6: much work, so let's just kind of like dialing it down,
Speaker 6: and they created the Brandy Daisy. Eighteen seventy six was
Speaker 6: the first time there was a mention of the brandy Daisy,
Speaker 6: which was cognac, orangely care lemon juice and soda water,
Speaker 6: really refreshing drink. And then came the whiskey daisy, rem
Speaker 6: daisy Jean daisy. But if you look at the way
Speaker 6: brandy daisy is made in eighteen seventies, it was basically,
Speaker 6: the Sidecar, which is the most known cocktail with cognac,
Speaker 6: is a result is a daisy in a way, how
Speaker 6: do you say, Margarita, Oh, how do you say daisy
Speaker 6: in Spanish? Margarida, Margarida is a daisy. What I'm doing
Speaker 6: right now is you say, is really reconnect h everybody
Speaker 6: about like the mixability of the fact that cognach has
Speaker 6: always been used in cocktails.
Speaker 3: But like there was the film Crisis.
Speaker 6: It's a it's an e pyramid that destroyed all the
Speaker 6: vineyards in Ferns and Europe, so we couldn't make any
Speaker 6: more wine, so we couldn't make any more cognact, so
Speaker 6: butnot had to sove recipes to keep the recipe alive,
Speaker 6: but not putting their hand on connact. Then they put whiskey,
Speaker 6: they put rum and uh and then the prohibsion happen
Speaker 6: in America. So another way, like Connact stepped back from
Speaker 6: being the filth thought product in cocktails. But the thing
Speaker 6: what I love is do say is that we are
Speaker 6: creating in the chateau as you said, as you were
Speaker 6: saying like it is a modern Connack, it is a
Speaker 6: connect to make cocktail whiz because We've been making can
Speaker 6: Cognact since seventeen ninety five when we created and twelve.
Speaker 3: We created it knowing how people drink today.
Speaker 6: So they still love to sleep on the kangnak, but
Speaker 6: they love to mix it too, That's right, which is
Speaker 6: why we were threat to the vsop to have again
Speaker 6: four years old, to have a corner that has a
Speaker 6: lot of body that can be sipping for any cognac matter.
Speaker 3: And then there has a lot of bodies that shine
Speaker 3: through any cocktails anything. So really drinking, do say water
Speaker 3: right over there? Do say apple juice right now?
Speaker 6: I'm just having the same weather the dish were drinking
Speaker 6: like this brand Winge was that the wine is tilled
Speaker 6: with water.
Speaker 3: I'm just having douicy and clear water.
Speaker 1: Still what I do say with apple juice or a
Speaker 1: little splash of cocar colon, give it that pop.
Speaker 3: But you know we're gonna say anything.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the deal. Several coats. We gotta make
Speaker 1: the deal. Summer cocktails, for sure, we're gonna have that.
Speaker 3: That that's that mass.
Speaker 6: So this summer for me was again inspired by the
Speaker 6: daisy how to bring modernity, so honoring the past with
Speaker 6: the day is he but creating a more than coctain
Speaker 6: inspired by you?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, you asked me for You're like, yo, what's
Speaker 3: the favorite fruits? What's this? What's flavors? You're like a
Speaker 3: a and then you came up with something. I'm time.
Speaker 1: I've been getting calls about it all summer, every event,
Speaker 1: people like Yo, they told me believe you had.
Speaker 3: Something to do with the did summer drink that drink fire.
Speaker 6: It's fling my hands on that recipe we're gonna have
Speaker 6: on a tonight or tomorrow during this show.
Speaker 3: That's a fact, is that because you gotta put that
Speaker 3: the care uh because in love that exotic notes. You know,
Speaker 3: my first trip to Hawaii changed my life. I'm a
Speaker 3: guava man now.
Speaker 6: Friendly glover man, a flemon And of course you're like
Speaker 6: you so tell a psico.
Speaker 3: That's right. You gotta put the bubbles man, Yo, Sally Man,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you. You already know.
Speaker 1: Du say brand is what it is because the guys
Speaker 1: like you, and I want everybody to understand and know
Speaker 1: when they come down to mix and a drink.
Speaker 3: This guy got all the recipes.
Speaker 1: We gotta somehow get the recipes out where we need
Speaker 1: to give it to the people.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like I have the it's
Speaker 3: like a dictionary book.
Speaker 1: I don't know you created this. No, that was before
Speaker 1: my time, okay, but I know some of your cocktails is.
Speaker 3: In this book.
Speaker 6: They're on the website. But we are resigning the website,
Speaker 6: so take on dot com.
Speaker 3: Later in the year. We're gonna have a whole new website.
Speaker 3: And so people gotta understand.
Speaker 1: Man, trust me, change your margaritas, your pinic colladers.
Speaker 3: Your side cars. Put that dude say in there and
Speaker 3: change your life. It works in every cocktail. Trying the
Speaker 3: Exposo Martini.
Speaker 1: Oh my Jesus right express, Oh my Jesus, man, that's
Speaker 1: it tastes like it should be illegal.
Speaker 6: Man, I had one with Exo. We gotta try an
Speaker 6: ex expos On Martini phenomena.
Speaker 3: We an't want. I mean like X. It's mixable too.
Speaker 3: It is a higher sq our Exo is ten to
Speaker 3: twenty years with a fifteen years average. It is delicious.
Speaker 3: You can mix it, can you got me like?
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it on the rocks, but I also like
Speaker 3: it in the good cocktail. That's right.
Speaker 6: But if you want to pay some fruits, some lemon.
Speaker 6: Just the VSLB was created for that, so happened with it?
Speaker 6: Anything work with I'm telling you really.
Speaker 3: Anything, trust anything magnificant. My brother, my brother, brother. Come on, man,
Speaker 3: come on man, anytime you is your house. Did you
Speaker 3: tell them that tomorrow you pay for me in the chateau? Yeah?
Speaker 3: They know. Tomorrow is the performance at the chateau. They
Speaker 3: know this is what we do the first time in
Speaker 3: the history of the Castle of Cognac. Hip hop. Hip
Speaker 3: hop is gonna be played and pay form. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. The king rolling over in his grave,
Speaker 3: he'll be had all of us. Then it'll be dancing
Speaker 3: on your head, bro, Definitely. They hang a hand on
Speaker 3: the on the on the bridge. Love my brother, check
Speaker 3: my guy. I appreciate you. Come on, man, let's go.
Speaker 3: You know what it is.
Speaker 1: Man, got my guy Pools back in the building out here, man,
Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna front you. Was acting a little
Speaker 1: shook like it's your first time, like you just met
Speaker 1: a chick.
Speaker 2: I just had to do. Say with water, do say
Speaker 2: with pineapple, Do say with soda, Do say with apple juice?
Speaker 2: You activate with everything, Do say over everybody you act that.
Speaker 2: I I had to. I had to get my little
Speaker 2: bit of sip arm to understand what a wedding. I'm ready.
Speaker 2: I'm ready right now, I'm feeling great. I'm out here
Speaker 2: in Cognac, France for the music festival.
Speaker 1: Let these guys know, though, Man, they talking out there reckless.
Speaker 1: Tell them we're about to get.
Speaker 3: On their yo.
Speaker 2: We don't ever talk reckless over here, though.
Speaker 1: Tell them listen. Let them know pools were about to
Speaker 1: get on that culture every day. They want them topics.
Speaker 1: They want us to talk about them topics.
Speaker 3: They want to know why be on the pod.
Speaker 2: There's so much to talk about. They want to compare.
Speaker 3: They want to know why Jane been on.
Speaker 2: Compare us to GQ, which is an honor, thank you,
Speaker 2: because I don't even know how I belong in the
Speaker 2: conversation that there's there's you know, there's a whole nother
Speaker 2: level to the game. When I saw that, I said, Wow,
Speaker 2: they compared us to g Q.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I like that.
Speaker 2: I've been around some of the best writer.
Speaker 3: You rubbing off some of the best writer the golden
Speaker 3: pan too much in the studio with the writer some
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 2: Best, brilliant people in the industry. So I've been able
Speaker 2: to sit and be a fly on the wall in
Speaker 2: a lot of rooms that I didn't belonging and shout
Speaker 2: out to you for that, like a lot of different
Speaker 2: situations like the janitor, like the janitor in the room,
Speaker 2: like I'm just soaking everything in. And I flied a
Speaker 2: lot of that in my life. What I did, you
Speaker 2: know my other endeavors to that because I'm not a
Speaker 2: music person, but I learned through you people like your
Speaker 2: you know, bank shout out bank people. Black rob was
Speaker 2: originally my my family.
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So what I'm saying that's where I met
Speaker 3: the poons with black I'm.
Speaker 2: A fan, bro, I'm a fan of hip hop. I'm
Speaker 2: a fan of of the culture. So I don't know
Speaker 2: a lot of people call me a culture vulture because
Speaker 2: of my skin. No, so how to get a tann
Speaker 2: cognac with that?
Speaker 3: It's my black white my so I can get invited
Speaker 3: to the barbecue you've been.
Speaker 1: At the y I'm Silian, Yo, Yo chill. I took
Speaker 1: this dude to a soul food spot in Brooklyn. Yo,
Speaker 1: what was the soul food spot? We went to a
Speaker 1: Brooklyn They're gonna kill.
Speaker 3: The critic of the name. If I know, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: he's a food chancer.
Speaker 2: It was a food chase.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I took them the food chases and front I took
Speaker 3: it to a spot. We went to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 3: This guy about Yo, Lizzy Pooso.
Speaker 2: I showed my roots.
Speaker 1: He might be wearing Champion hoodies and Biscuits sweat pants
Speaker 1: at night where he's.
Speaker 3: Not with me. Show my roots.
Speaker 2: I show my roots. My family is originally from Corleon
Speaker 2: in Naples, so southern.
Speaker 1: You see this man in the play construction had jeans.
Speaker 1: Just let him be on his way. He going to
Speaker 1: the Soulfu restaurant.
Speaker 2: Happens stop it. Thanks to Bleak, I got invited to
Speaker 2: the barbecue. But that being said, I'm better at basketball
Speaker 2: than Bleak. Never I could jump higher than Bleak.
Speaker 3: White man can't chime. White man can't jump. We've seen
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 2: Listen, your man, cheech will tell you what cheach your
Speaker 2: fans production the best shooting.
Speaker 3: The Minigans can't play basketball, the.
Speaker 2: Best shooters in France, But Tommy Pouh's are the best
Speaker 2: shooter in New Jersey. Al Harrington everybody brings bring it, Tommy,
Speaker 2: bring it. Everybody listen that that's arcade games, video games,
Speaker 2: whatever games.
Speaker 1: Schwartz, I'm your guy, he said, listen sports any video games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, virgin has.
Speaker 3: Four three two one original. Anything you want to smoke called.
Speaker 2: Game boy, saying listen, I come from up game Q.
Speaker 2: Riverside Church he has Vita coach Ernie Lorch. Google him, Ernie.
Speaker 3: Lorch, dumb wrestling.
Speaker 2: Stop it, stop it. Riverside Church Uptown was where it started.
Speaker 3: So smoke anything that take. That's competition.
Speaker 7: Google that baseball, dodge ball, George Washington, douicide, stop it.
Speaker 7: Coca Livia to say, with water, hot peas and butter
Speaker 7: to stay with water.
Speaker 2: Whatever they want to back second y, no, listen, stop
Speaker 2: and stop it.
Speaker 3: Better Frisby like I want to bad way, a bad way.
Speaker 3: I play what they used to say.
Speaker 2: Well, sound like that. It sounds like a Brooklyn versus
Speaker 2: Harlem rivalry. And I'm on the bridge in northern New Jersey.
Speaker 3: We brought it back. Now That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What they want better Calico Vision Now listen, got all
Speaker 1: the games. I'm all want to go on the record
Speaker 1: man MIT's pac Man, I can pack.
Speaker 2: I want to go on the record for competitive, competitive.
Speaker 3: Tari and six hundred. You don't know about that.
Speaker 2: You're like you sound like rabbit, you sound like something
Speaker 2: champs meo, geo. Let me talk for a second. Let
Speaker 2: me talk for a second. Can I talk for a second.
Speaker 2: In competitive sports, right when you grew up in Brooklyn
Speaker 2: and you play anything from bean bags to shuffle boards
Speaker 2: to basketball, anything competitive, even against you go against the
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Cat, the most ship in the world.
Speaker 3: A lot of them will back it up.
Speaker 2: But this guy, Marcy the.
Speaker 3: Battery cooking pancakes.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you're talking a lot on your own show, Sally.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the duce and water you guy.
Speaker 3: Blee, just letting him know we competitive everything. I hate
Speaker 3: him so much.
Speaker 2: I hate him so much that I cleaned grind.
Speaker 7: Back flips, front flips, lds, Rodney Davis, ever.
Speaker 3: They want to do.
Speaker 2: We combat get the danger doing the triple Indy on
Speaker 2: the Willian top backboard in Dudes, stop it, stop it,
Speaker 2: bro He's Brooklyn, dudes, man. Let me tell you, like
Speaker 2: I I'm from north He's not gonna stop you up.
Speaker 3: Put the quarter water in the tire motorcycle.
Speaker 2: I consider myself from New Jersey, but I'm really an uptown.
Speaker 3: Dude, even walk In can't battle me.
Speaker 2: These dudes from Brooklyn, they spit and they talk more
Speaker 2: than anybody.
Speaker 1: Just you.
Speaker 3: You started and you said competition. So I just wanted
Speaker 3: to let it know.
Speaker 2: It's an ebony and you want to battle rivalry right now?
Speaker 2: Week of bat Larry Bird versus Maddie Johnson. You heard
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: We know Bird versus very that verse and a lot
Speaker 3: of difference, that a lot of.
Speaker 2: Pity and Michael Jackson, he said, yes, right, I'll take
Speaker 2: Paul lccartney.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 2: You can't moon walk on nothing.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: WoT in stare contaest?
Speaker 2: You saying cold water? You heard I was put on
Speaker 2: by the locals.
Speaker 3: They want to all wrestle, dumb wrestle.
Speaker 2: I said that one listen camera, whatever they want to do, Yo,
Speaker 2: that's what production I want.
Speaker 3: We all that type of Sullivan's drinking.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on a second. I gotta shush you.
Speaker 3: You shish me. I have to.
Speaker 2: I'm the only one that can do that.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 3: What you're trying to shih What you shished me to say?
Speaker 3: After show? You what you shished me after the show?
Speaker 3: Say what you sh to say.
Speaker 2: Sullivan taught me about saying cold water. It is a
Speaker 2: fucking vibe. It's a movement.
Speaker 3: Luck you said that from Daisy to jay Z.
Speaker 2: So the thirty year reunion is real.
Speaker 3: You just gotta you just got a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1: Thy years later after sheet of paper was ripped out
Speaker 1: of the notebook and told me to change my life,
Speaker 1: and god damn has it changed my life.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here without.
Speaker 2: That piece of Backwise, you no what it is?
Speaker 3: Do you say? Mafia live in Kojak.
Speaker 2: Friends, shout out King francois.
Speaker 3: Live that Shatak.
Speaker 2: Without him, this is possible.
Speaker 3: And with my man Pooso, we ready to battle anything
Speaker 3: you say.
Speaker 2: Mafia you're even I'm up. I'm out of here.
Speaker 3: What they what they do? What white people they be doing?
Speaker 3: Games like stuff like that right doing potato? Say want
Speaker 3: to ebony and ivory and what they want to do? Limbo?
Speaker 2: We want to there's no limbo lower now we want ebony,
Speaker 2: we want ivory, we want they want.
Speaker 3: And the mocker rain.
Speaker 2: This is Dominican Bleak sounding off Live. You heard.
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