1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. Someone who I have admired 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: and really liked is Xanna Roberts Rossi. She is currently 4 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: the founder of Milk Makeup, but she has been beauty editor, 5 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: of fashion editor, on air, and so many more things. 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: She's literally on every red carpet talking about the look. 7 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: She gets to really talk to anybody and everybody, and 8 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: she's able to bring this cool brand, Milk Studios, into 9 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: the beauty world. I want to talk to her about 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: what it's like to work with your husband, to be 11 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: a mom to six year old girls and somehow find 12 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: a balt between work and family life. And I also 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm really curious what she's going to do next because 14 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: I know this is in her last gig. Hey's Anna, Hello, 15 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: my friend, how are you? I am great? First of all, 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: I always wanted to ask you where did you get 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: this namely an abbreviation of Susannah. We's wanted Zanna, but 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: I think then in growing up in Manchester in England 19 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: and Catholic, it was a little bit too progressive to 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: have Zanna, so they was like, oh, just go with Susannah. 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: But I was always called Zanna. Okay, oh, I get you. So. 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't even remember the first time we worked together, 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: but it was it was in the UK, it was 24 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: not in not in the States, and you were an 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: editor of Marie Claire. Correct, that's right, beauty editor at 26 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Mary Claire. UM. I remember so clearly because you had 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: come over on one of your press trips. I got 28 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: the amazing opportunity to interview. And I remember being so 29 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: nervous because I was a beauty assistant and I was 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: meeting was great makeup maybe and as I believe I 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: called you in the feature I wrote, um, and it was. 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: It was just such an amazing moment to have time 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: with you, to spend to pick your brains. Um. Yes. 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: So I was so fortunate to get time with you, 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: and that was definitely like one of those moments in 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: my career. Was like, Wow, Okay, this is it, this 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: is real beauty. This is like I'm interviewing Bobby Brown 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: and you know what, that was the first trip I 39 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: ever took to New York City. Um. And I did 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: a whole story on you and the company, and we 41 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: had some great models and we did a whole shoot. 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: But that was like my moment in New York was like, oh, 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: I love this down so much, but but I remember, like, 44 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: I don't remember you being a young just starting. I 45 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: don't remember you being excited. I just remember you being 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: so sweet and nice and uh yeah, I've always you know, 47 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: I had very good feelings towards you, and so you 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: do not disappoint even now. Do you remember that? And 49 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: this is funny because I was actually thinking back when 50 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: we first met, not first met the second time in 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: New York City. I showed up on that shoe and 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: I just broken my notes that I don't remember me 53 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: and had a cast on my nose and glasses on 54 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: because drink. Isn't that funny? I remember your how nice 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: you were and how sweet and how talented. I don't 56 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: remember your broken's incredible, you know, I just remember that 57 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: was one of those moves like I'm never gonna looked 58 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: this down. I'm pretty I think I fell off my 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: own life. But um, you actually didn't even really talk 60 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: about it. So that's that's the test. And I have 61 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: a plethora of photos backstage had fashion well that was 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: like so much A beauty edited them as well, so 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: we were the only ones really imparting the information about 64 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: beauty right, so would get this privileged position of being 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: backstage of all the shows, talking about the trends, what 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: was going on, how to get the look um, you know, 67 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: along with doing these amazing shoots and getting to meet 68 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: the founders and the scientists behind the brands. And it 69 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: really was like the most immersive experience and beauty and 70 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: I was just locked into it. Wherever that was it 71 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: like I've done, you probably never could have imagined that 72 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: that was such homework for you, becoming your own beauty 73 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: founder of a brand like you never probably thought of 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: it back then, never ever, ever ever. I mean it 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: was more like you'd see how many, even back then, 76 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: how many products there were, and it was saturated, you know, 77 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: it was just so much every day that the new 78 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: stuff coming into the beauty close it would be trying. 79 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: So I was such a I try every single thing 80 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: that came out as well, and it was apparent that 81 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: there was a lot already out there, so I always 82 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: would think, well, if we did, it would have to 83 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: be something super duper special. But as an editor, when 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: these things come in, how did you choose what to 85 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: write about? I mean a lot of founders would probably 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: kill to get their things in the magazine. What did 87 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: you as an editor do? UM? I suppose it was 88 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: anything that was relevant at the moment. I think innovation 89 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: was always a key, anything that had an interesting ingredients story. UM. 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Founder stories were always so interesting and they are today 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: as well. You know, really understanding more about the product 92 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: through the founder and their background. You know, whether it 93 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: be discovering it on a kitchen table or um, you know, 94 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: through a problem that they had of their own and 95 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: it was the solution for that. And I think this was, 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: like I said, really the only platform that was telling 97 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 1: these stories. UM. And then obviously there was the stuff 98 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: that worked. If you tried something and it was made 99 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: your head go from brittle to shiny in three seconds, 100 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: I was like, we're writing about that. And you started 101 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: and reclear as an intern. By the time you left, 102 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: you were an editor at large, which I don't know 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: what that means. Editor at large? What does that mean? So? UM, 104 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: I was a beauty editor at mary Clan and you kay, 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: I worked my way up the mast head there and 106 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: then I moved to Mary Claire US when I moved 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: to New York. But so then I moved into fashion. Uh. 108 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: And then fashion was from going to from a UK 109 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: publication in beauty to an American publication in fashion was 110 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: quite the shock. Um, so very different. Um, you know, 111 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: it was less of like beauty is a very kind world. 112 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: I always found it was very It was just a 113 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: lot of great people doing a lot of great work, 114 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: but kind. And then fashion was a little bit scarier. 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: It just was, you know, it was a little bit 116 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: more um ruthless in a way. And I think because 117 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: of American magazines are run so much more heavily on 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: the dollar as well the advertisers. Um, I did have 119 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: this like almost devil words proud a moment of coming 120 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: to New York. There was definitely a shoe thrown across 121 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: an office. I definitely saw someone get fired in the 122 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: first few days. Um. But yeah, I think you know, 123 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: I was doing that for a long time, but I 124 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: missed the democratization of the beauty world and the really 125 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: giving people solid information and tips and helping them. So 126 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: for that reason, I would like move away from shooting 127 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: the big designer looks that you know, cost thousands, cost 128 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: more than I was getting paid for a year, um, 129 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: to doing like, oh can we do an under hundred page, 130 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: Can we do a page of shop the shoot? Can 131 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: we shoot real girls? Like? Cool? Found like And I 132 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: think it was that beauty background as well, like being 133 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: the journalist that always made me want to kind of 134 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: democratize it in that way. Um. And then I left 135 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: to do more TV because I found that actually that 136 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: was more frowned on in magazines. But TV love that world. 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: They love the fact that I was going to do 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: looks under fifty dollars and I was going to do 139 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: it with you know, models of all shapes and sizes. 140 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: And so that's when I kind of launched into like 141 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: the Today shows of the world, like Yourself and Great 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: Terray and doing more for E. So that's long story 143 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: shot how I became more of an at large editor 144 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: instead of a full time editor. And are you still 145 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: a fashion editor at E or are you more freelance? 146 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm it at EM their fashion correspondent style correspondents. So 147 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: I do everything I've just come off and Fashion Week, 148 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: which I covered, which was the most obviously unprecedented, unique 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: New York Fashion Week we've never had. Um, I do 150 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: all the red carpets stuff for them. UM. So yeah, 151 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm they're UM fashion trusted fashion person who again it 152 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: was great going into kind of bridging the gaps between 153 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: the celebrity and the fashion world and the world of 154 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: um the fashion that really was never you know, people 155 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: trust me, So I could go to Victoria Becka would say, well, 156 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: we do an interview about fashion with us on E 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, it wouldn't be sensationalized, it 158 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: would be real. I'm we could talk the same language. 159 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: And I think because of that trust, I could build 160 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: these great relationships and give them a platform money that 161 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: they never had. And did you do all of this 162 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: from home? This this season? How I was? It was 163 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: in the city and we were literally in the hotel room, 164 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: so I was doing zoom after zoom. It was literally 165 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: SJP woman, Rihanna the next, Brandon Maxwell the next, um 166 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: it was a little now as ext the next. I mean, 167 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: it was surreal. We did that and then we did 168 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: a couple of shows. Jason, we showed um Mons you 169 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: did see now buying our presentation. You know, full COVID 170 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: tests in the space of two days and protocols are high. 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Um but it was important to do. It's important to 172 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: keep pushing creativity. It's important for our industry. UM, and 173 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: I would have always they asked me to do that, 174 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: I said, of course, yes, you know, this is the 175 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: time we really need to be helping each other as well. 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: And now let's get to Milk. So Milk. Now, your 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: husband is the founder of Milk Studios. Correct. Um And 178 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: how long does he have Milk Studios? So, Milk Studios 179 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: was founded in Um, it was nineties six, so it's 180 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: plus twenty years ago. UM. And it's this kind of 181 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: it's downtown New York City. It's you know, it's the 182 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: home of the creative set. We like to say it's 183 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: like the crossroads of fashion and photography and entertainment and 184 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: music and art. Um. But it's so much more than 185 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: a student. You've been there, but but you know it constantly. Yeah, yeah, 186 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: there's there's so many other things as well as that. 187 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, they've got the gallery, the jam room downstairs. UM, 188 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: you know, the fashion shows that were there, all the events, 189 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: and it really is the you know, the creative core 190 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: set that lived there that inspired Milk Makeup. You know, 191 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: we just but we just like literally sit in the 192 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: lobby and watch everyone go by in the most and 193 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: they'd wear makeup in the most creative ways, you know, 194 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: the photographers and stylists, the assistance musicians, and it was 195 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: always like loaded with personality, like self expression. It wasn't 196 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: about the looks that were actually being created in the studio, 197 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: do you know the high fashion glamor. It was much 198 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: more about like the assistance in the cool way they'd 199 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: wear their makeup that we were all like, Okay, this 200 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: is it. This is what male makeup is all about, 201 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: and whose idea was it? So there was myself, Russie 202 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: was the pie piper who brought the band together. Um, myself. 203 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: Georgie Greville, who is the founding creative director. She has 204 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: an MTV background, She's one VM as film director, super zeitgeiste, 205 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: like always ahead of the curve. And then Diana ruth 206 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: is the wizard in the kitchen. You know, she makes 207 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: all the products her and her incredible team. I love it. 208 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: She's like, I am never creating anything that already exists. 209 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: We call it Diana Ruthless. Um, she doesn't make it 210 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: easy on herself. And then there's Russie and myself. Um, 211 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, Russy is such a branding wizard and the 212 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: mayor of the meat packing we call him. Um. So 213 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: together the four of us have just brought something different, 214 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, me with my editorial and the others with 215 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: the innovation and creativity and brand. So I think it's 216 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: a very unusual foesome to be. You know, co founders 217 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: come from very different parts. But together we created something 218 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: that's pretty unique. We we think. And what's it like 219 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: working with your husband? Oh my gosh, you tell me this. Yeah, 220 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: I work with mine too, So yes, is this pre 221 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: or during quarantine? We're talking right, exactly exactly. You know, 222 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: the first year was not like pre launch and launch. 223 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: It was not We had one year old twin girls. Um. 224 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: I I can't shut off very well either. I'm work 225 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: holic and I like doing things at home like marketing ideas, 226 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: I social ideas, pr ideas. Um. Rassi is really good 227 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: at flipping switch. So he'll say, no, we can't roll 228 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: over in bed and start talking about you know, branding 229 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: and marketing. Um, that's not sexy. Um. So he was 230 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: good to like he we just had meetings. He would 231 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: get together in an office environment twice a week and 232 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: talk about everything that had to be discussed. Um. Quarantine 233 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: is a whole different matter. I mean, my god, which 234 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: like fighting over the I'm right now in my bedroom 235 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: because he's doing his me call down all of us, right, 236 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean, how are you doing? It's it's it's pretty 237 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: interesting and you know, it's funny. My husband and I 238 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: are very similar that my husband doesn't want to talk 239 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: about things, but I will hop in the car with 240 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: him because I will get him bored in the car 241 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: so that we could talk about everything. You do this too, 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: I do it. We go to SuperM Yeah, I'm coming 243 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: to the because I know you have to pick your 244 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: timing and the right because you never know what mood 245 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: they're going to do. And sometimes yeah, I I we 246 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: married the same strong man we did. Is it by 247 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: any time? Um? No, I'm an area. Yeah, I'll see. 248 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: But I'm interesting in my life all especially female leaders 249 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: of mine, every editor in chief, every person I've flipped 250 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: up to, every mentor, it's been an aries female. And 251 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: I've had to work really hard to turn my brain 252 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: off at ight and not especially things that are stressing 253 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: me out. I realized they're not going to go anywhere good. 254 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: So I have learned to, you know, to put them 255 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: somewhere else and deal with them in the morning. How 256 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: do you do. That is that meditation? No, I don't meditate. 257 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: I don't meditate. I just realized that I literally visit. 258 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: I visually have a shelf. It's a visual shelf, and 259 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: I put all the different things in different boxes, and 260 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: I put it on the shelf. And if I sometimes 261 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: it falls off the shelf, and then if my husband 262 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: says not now, or I don't know what to do 263 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: with it, I visually put it back on the shelf. 264 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I know it's going to be there in the morning. 265 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: That's a version of meditation, and I love it because 266 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: it's not like counting out from my head. Yeah, and 267 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: a vodka on the rocks, you know, in the evening 268 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: helps me, you know, let go of certain things. Yeah. 269 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Never before have I really been into the book until 270 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: the lockdown all of a sudden, favorite thrink. It's so funny. 271 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit of what is different 272 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: about milk makeup and what was important to you to 273 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: make it a different kind of a brand. I mean 274 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: so many things. I think from from day one, you know, 275 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: we talk we're obviously vegan, UM cruelty free, parabin free, 276 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: UM clean. You know, all those things were very important. 277 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: Was because we knew our consumer, the person I mentioned before, 278 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: he's floating around milk, also had high demands, you know, 279 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: and we wanted to reimagine what beauty could be. You know, 280 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: it could be cool and clean, it could have great 281 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: ingredients and still epic payoff at the same time. Um. 282 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: You know, and you mentioned something about the the non gender, 283 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: the gender language. We never put that in marketing. You know. 284 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: Our first campaign was featured a whole spectrum of gender identification, 285 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: and we didn't it was a moot point. We didn't 286 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: even make any deal out of it. You know, it's 287 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: empowered women, trans models, and straight men wearing makeup. Um. 288 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: I think someone actually called the anti marketing at the time. 289 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: Not and they were in the company. Um, but it 290 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: was exactly what we stood for and is exactly what 291 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: our community wanted, and they were being underrepresented at the time, 292 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: so we went full throttle on that. Um. Everything about 293 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: it is very utilitarian as well. That was something I 294 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: was very keen on having, you know, fast makeup, makeup 295 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: that you could do quickly in the back of a cab, 296 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: makeup to save time in the mornings, as smart as 297 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: your iPhone, you know, stuff that just did the job. 298 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Did it well. I always say, we're very innovative and 299 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: in concept, creative in spirit and utilitarian and use and 300 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: you're when you launched it was exclusive with Sephora, correct, 301 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: it was yes. Um, we pitched to Sapara. We didn't 302 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: even have a product. Okay, crazy, We flew all the 303 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: way to San Francisco. Um, we met them in there. 304 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: You remember them meeting so clearly. We had so much 305 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: passion and a great deck and all these ideas and 306 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: zero products. Um. But they saw the white space immediately. Um. 307 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: They realized very very they were very smart, and they said, look, 308 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: if you couldn't create the products that you're talking about, them, 309 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: weren't And how long was you're exclusive? We're still exclusive 310 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: today in the US? You are? Yeah, So you have 311 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: a director consumer side. We do. We have directed consumer. Um. 312 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: We're also now in Um we're in the Middle East 313 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: with them as well. Um. We're also now in the 314 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: UK with self ages and cult beauty. Ah, there's no 315 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: Sophora in the UK. No that. I think they tried 316 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: it a long time ago and then it didn't work, 317 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: which was so strange to me. And tell me what 318 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: is wrong with bees wax that they don't kill the 319 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: bees to get the bees wax. But is that not 320 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: a vegan Yeah, it's not. It's it's not credited, so 321 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: we are we're renting the beeswax because of our chrishimascara. Yeah, 322 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: so we UM we wanted to create a mascara that 323 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: was super nourishing as well. UM notoriously had to create 324 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: a vegan scar because these waxes the um traditional binding 325 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: agent in it. So it was Diana Ruth, who's who 326 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned to our co founder and her team, who 327 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: then came up with the idea of using hemp drive 328 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: cannabis seed oil extract um. And it is the perfect 329 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: alternative because it's super As I said, it's super conditioning. 330 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: It's like a hair mask for your lashes. It comes 331 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: off east if you don't have the tug when you're 332 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: pulling and you're taking your makeup off at the night, 333 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: but you don't get the fall out in the day. 334 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: It's it's been a complete game change. It's super best seller. 335 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: And it's not it doesn't smear, no, because it's moisturizing. No. 336 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: I know. That's what's so strange about the consistency of it. 337 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't it's kind of whipped so it doesn't smear. 338 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: It's creamy, but it's whipped, so it's not like it's 339 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: something that's oozing down your face. She's never Yeah, But 340 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: then what keeps you up at night? Like about the 341 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: products the company? Like what you know, all of us 342 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs have anks, that's what we do. I suppose it's 343 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: there's so many things we have to yet do. The 344 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: ideas that go through your brain. I mean, sustainability is 345 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: a big one. How can we all become more sustainable? Um? 346 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: That that right now is a major focus, and you know, 347 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: and being with our community more than ever. You know, 348 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: we've always had a philanthropic angle. We've always worked with 349 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, lgbt Q, we worked with the Center, We've 350 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: always donated, but it's now it's like, how can we 351 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: be even more active in that space? Um? And thankfully 352 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: we've got a great team fully behind us with that. 353 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: So it's been an interesting few months, but we've all 354 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: learned so much and we've got we really do have 355 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: an epic team. Like zooming all them all once a 356 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: week and seeing everyone who's just so invested and just 357 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: really believes in the brand. Is you know what It's 358 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: like it's it's the most powerful thing. You underestimate the 359 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: power of that when you find a company. You know, 360 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: And what's the biggest surprise to you about being owning 361 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: a beauty brand like that? You had no clue. You 362 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: said this, You've said it today. We were so naive. 363 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: We had no idea, no idea. I mean, if we'd 364 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: have known the amount of everything it would take, I 365 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: don't know if we'd have done it. I really don't know. 366 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: Rassie says this all the time. It's like, I just 367 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm so glad we did, but 368 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: I'm also really glad we didn't know everything before. So 369 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: you're still on Glad Masters. Is that still on TV? 370 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: It's not right now. But it was such a fun 371 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: show to do. It was myself, um Levine Cox was 372 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: the host, Kim Kardashian West was the producer, makeup. I 373 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: Mario was the one of the panelists, as with Candy Johnson, 374 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and you know, we were there day and night for 375 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: six weeks. It was It was an intense shoot, but 376 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: we became really really close. It was great. It was 377 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: such a fun experience. And do you think it'll be back? 378 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: I hope. So in some form it has to be back, 379 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: you know. I think things like that as well would 380 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: suit digital so well, right now, um, it was a 381 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: linear show, but yeah, and some way shape of fall, 382 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: I hope it will return. And because you meet so 383 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: many of the other founders, I'm sure you know Rihanna 384 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: and Selena and all these other your competition, we were 385 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: talking about how people are very supportive of each other. 386 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: Isn't it wonderful? I just yeah, it feels like it 387 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: never used to be like that. As you know, we 388 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: were saying that today it's like the sharing of information, 389 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: of ideas, of context. I know someone who can help 390 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: you with this. Let me put you in touch with 391 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: this person. What about this This is a great idea, 392 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: Well that's not a great idea, like literally like being 393 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: each other's consultants. And you're one of the founders of 394 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: the secret society that we're part of that that our 395 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: friend Mage put together. It's called I always get it wrong, 396 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: it's called Beauty United, Beauty United, and it's all the 397 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: founders that talk about the different things that are happening. 398 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: And this is since COVID, so one of the best 399 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: things about being you know, home is we've been able 400 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: to connect on zoom because we never would have done 401 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: this one time, even together, not one time. And we're 402 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: so many into it now. This is yeah, a dent 403 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: one of those amazing silvil linings. Those come from this. 404 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: People are very giving to each other, you know, like 405 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: I need a distributor, I need this, I need this 406 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: package person. It's it's really really cool. It's totally not 407 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: to mention the gift back that's happened for you know, 408 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: we all did the Beauty United video together. Immediately when 409 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: it all went down, We're like, we need to do 410 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: a video, we need to raise some money. All of 411 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: the groups, all of the companies involved gave so much 412 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: to relief funds to frontline responders. I mean, the Frontline 413 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: respond To fund went up in excess of ten million. Now, 414 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: all working together and making things happen, and we were 415 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: able to donate to all the you know, people working 416 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: the front lines, and you know, pretty pretty amazing. I'm 417 00:22:48,000 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: proud to be part of it. So Zana, this um, 418 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: this podcast is called Beyond the Beauty, But I want 419 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: to hear from you what beauty means to you? What 420 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: does beauty mean to me? I mean It might be 421 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: so cliche, but it's to be really truly happy in 422 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: your own look. I had to be able to live 423 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: your own look mantras, live your look and milk. And 424 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: it's for a reason because I think when you know 425 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: your own look, you're not trying to be someone else, 426 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: and with that comes so much like confidence and presence 427 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: and power, and that to me is beautiful. And you 428 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: are clearly a beautiful girl, a beautiful woman. What do 429 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: you do when you don't feel beautiful? Oh? Go and 430 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: see um, Go get a fake chat, get have own track. 431 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: Sleep That sleep is my major tool, like if my 432 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: whether I look bad, doing bad, and being unproductive, it's 433 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: it's always a direct color relation into how much sleep 434 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: I've had. It's ridiculous, it's annoying. I wish I could 435 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: be one of those people who could just thrive on five. 436 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: I was sleep at night, but no, do you have 437 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: trouble sleeping? Um? When I wake up in the middle 438 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: of the night, and it's always the work. It's always 439 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: like the ideas or the stress of something coming up. 440 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: And it will always be before a big day as well, 441 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: which is most annoying, like before the office, and then 442 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: I'm just lay there like god sleep. Um. Do you 443 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: do you have any good sleeping tips, Bobby, I feel 444 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: like you might. You know what. I make sure I 445 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: have melotona near my bed because even it stays in 446 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: your body only three hours, I think, so yeah and yes. 447 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, sometimes if you eat, I take 448 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: it and I instantly go to sleep. So my body 449 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: doesn't need it, my mind needs it. And I've also 450 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: found the magnesium at night. UM helps It helps all 451 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: your muscles relax, so your brain is a muscle, so 452 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: it helps my brain relax. Wonderful. What is it? What's 453 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: your daily skincareater? I'm rapid, like we've not got time 454 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: to be luxuriating in the bathroom, I'm afraid, but shower. Um. 455 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: I throw on Vegan milk moisturizer, which is our vegan 456 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: milk moisturizer. It's super rich. I was put on straight 457 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: when my skin still damp out the shower. Um. It's 458 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: it's very rich, but it's not greasy, so I'm jobbed 459 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: straight away. Um. And then I go with Sunshine skin tint, 460 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: which is very quick moisturizing shit tin with an SPF 461 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: fifteen in it. Matt Bronze stick one about o G 462 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: sticks quick quick tann intent I call it kushmascara and 463 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a cush lit bump and I'm done. 464 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: And what about your hair? What are your beauty go 465 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: to products? Christoph Robin overly bleached situation. I definitely have 466 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: braids in this morning because now it's just like too 467 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: to that's if I don't have to put heat on it, 468 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: I will not. And what about what are your beauty robbers? Like? 469 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: What are the things that you're like? I'm doing it anyways. 470 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: I know it's not going to be a pretty day tomorrow. 471 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean the affoe mentioned vodka or tequilagnas is there's 472 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of a weak spot. Um. And the sleep, 473 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so I wish I had better tips 474 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: than those like that. It's so obvious. But yeah, those 475 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: bad habits die hard. Well what about your health habit? 476 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: I don't do loads and loads of cops because it 477 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: just doesn't make me feel good. I just feel bad, 478 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean instantly, Like I think I've probably made myself 479 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: gluten intolerant because I know I cut it out a 480 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: long time ago. Um, and then when it comes to 481 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: work out, I'm really into YouTube hoem videos of this 482 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: this girl, um Pamela Reef. I only discovered this joined 483 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: the lot down German model. But she does the most 484 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: precise ice workout, so like ten minutes and you can 485 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: choose your body parts literally bum ab ums, so precise 486 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: thirty seconds on each exercise and you move and it's 487 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: just great music. She was as good outfit on It's like, okay, 488 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: this is easy. Um, but yeah, I'm not running any 489 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: marathons anytime soon. Put it away. Ah And one one 490 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: last question, how do you shut it off because you've 491 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: got two children or three children? Have twin girls then 492 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: now six years old? Um, I shut it off by 493 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: spending time with them. We were like family meals, best 494 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: cooking a great dinner, sitting around around the table. We 495 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: all had a camp fire the other night. Like those 496 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: moments you can't possibly think about work when you're in 497 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: it and they're just running around being crazy and fun 498 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: and that that's my that's my go to place. They 499 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: must be a really good focus group for your makeup. 500 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you should. At six we're all vegan 501 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: and clean because they can use it all they want. Well, 502 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time taking the 503 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: time to talk to me. It's so nice, Bobby. Thank 504 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: you for having me. This podcast is so good. By 505 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: the way. Ah well, I'm here for you anytime, so much. 506 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks go kiss those kids being the moment, 507 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: Bye bye. Thanks Bobby. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, 508 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 509 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.