1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of It 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Trends with Us. Oh, that's right. It's a play on 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: the big movie dropping this weekend. It Ends with Us, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: starring Blake Lively Jenny Slat, adapted from the Colleen Hoover 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: novel that was a book talk sensation. Hum, I'm Jack. 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: That is miles miles. As you might have been able 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: to pick up on from my rear, I'm not overly 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: familiar with It ends with Us. I was mainly reading 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: that off of like a description. 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: I'm also not I mean I'm familiar because I feel 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: in the last week I keep seeing stuff about like 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: Blake Lively and like headlines about like cast feuds, and 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, I don't I don't care 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: enough about them, but I know it's happening something. 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: Behind the scenes. Tench is what I'm hearing, is what 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm picking up on. The star and director Justin Baldoni, 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: who I'm not overly familiar with. Maybe maybe if I 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: have look there's more deeply I would recognize him from 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: some stuff. But I just want to read this description 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: and just want to get to get a sense if 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: anything pops out to you, because I was. I was 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: impressed by a couple of the details. 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: Here. 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: A chance meeting with charming neurosurgeon Ryle Kincaid sparks an 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: intense connection, but as the two fall deeply in love, 26 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: Lily begins to see sides of Ryle her parents relationship, 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: like with an R with an R. When Lily's first love, 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: Atlas Core again suddenly re enters her life, her relationship 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: with Ryle is upended. I just love those two names, 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Ryle Kincaid. Oh wow, wow, wow wow. 31 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, because like that guy Ryle or Baldoni isn't 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: at like any of the press stuff. I think that's 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: what I was reading. It's like, where the fuck's the 34 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: director and. 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Where is the baldon stir. 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: Oh, aust didn't realize that the the the book itself 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: is about domestic abuse, and people are like. 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 4: Is this movie actually handling it? Well, wow, so it 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: looks like a lot a lot is happening going on. Hey, 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: Ryle bald Baldoni come to these screenings. Wow, that's just 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: a thing I just came up with. 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: That's cool man, Hey, And that's cool bro. 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: And that is cool man, Miles. We love to talk 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: about people swimming through ship in the heart, Polly. The 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: sin is gross, still gross, but apparently swimmers have a solution. 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: And I'm intrigued by this. Okay, So apparently being an 47 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: open water swimmer, this is not their first rodeo. Uh 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: when it comes rodeo. The rodeo being swimming open man 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: through a bunch of poop poo, whoopy. That's the thing 50 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: that you have to do a lot as a distant swimmer. Sure, 51 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: And so they have methods for trying to flush their 52 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: system so they don't get an infection from all the 53 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: shit water. And apparently one of the tricks maybe it's 54 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: an old wives tale, maybe it's science, but it is 55 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: like kind of openly adopted is chugging a can of 56 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: coke to poison whatever living microbe is trying to like 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: work its way down your throat and get into your stomach. 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: So probably not resounding endorsement that Coca Cola is looking 59 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: for from their Olympic sponsorship. 60 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, official drink of people who have swallowed shit 61 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: Coca Cola always wait. So the theory is just like coke, 62 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: it has some kind of magical power or to destroy 63 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: the bacteria. 64 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: Essentially, I mean this is a an urban legend that 65 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: we debunked. I think a myth about this back it 66 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: cracked because I think a lot of people have done 67 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: the thing where you put a tooth or something in 68 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: a cup of coke and it like immediately dissolves. 69 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 5: This. 70 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: So I remember there was one that was like the 71 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: highway patrol used to like clear accidents by spraying them 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: down with Coca cola, like to like get things off 73 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: of the pavement. I was like, that's a terrible idea, 74 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: would be so sticky, that can't be true, And that 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: turned out it was. It was not true. But in 76 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: this case, Mosha Johnson of Team Australia said, the myth 77 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: of coca cola is true. We will often have a 78 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: Coca cola afterward just to try to flesh out anything 79 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: inside of us. Wow wow, So drink enjoy coke or 80 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: use it like it's like a lie, you know your insides. 81 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: I'll say, there's is this a black woman? And I 82 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: looked no. I was thrown off by the name Mosha Johnson. 83 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: That's what I'm like, who were they? Mosha? Fans mo 84 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: to eat to the and they're like, oh yeah, you 85 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: know what. 86 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Steve, we should name our daughter daughter Mosia. Yeah. 87 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: Wow, well yeah, drink of Coca cola. I mean that's 88 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: like I feel like it is sort of like the 89 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: same thing, like with black people. It's like ginger ale 90 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: is like what solves all things possible. McDonald's sprite is 91 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: a is a tincture from the gods. So yeah, man, 92 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: Coca cola. Sure. 93 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Multiple doctors told The Wall Street Journal that there's 94 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: no scientific evidence of cokes cleansing properties. But you know, 95 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: it's the reason that Gatorade is not just salt water. 96 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: That they put like bright colors and sugar in there 97 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: because it feels good, and when you feel better, like 98 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: you you know, tend to do better. So it's well. Also, 99 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: just the article ends with you know, or maybe it 100 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: just we shouldn't be swimming in the Seine. Despite the reassurances, 101 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: some argue swimming the sin was never a good idea. 102 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: I would never have selected the send. Davy Jones, professor 103 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: of environmental science and public health at Bangor University, told 104 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: DBC Science Focused. I know it's iconic, but it also 105 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: runs through a hugely urbanized area, which is always a 106 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster when it comes to potential exposure to 107 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: chemicals or biological pathogens. 108 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: I would have never selected the send, said Davy Jones, 109 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: ghost of Legendary Pirates. 110 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 5: Yeah. 111 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I swam in the ocean in where I could 112 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: have reclaimed my soul. That's right, all right, Fox still 113 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: struggling with Tim Walls. They're trying to come up with 114 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: an angle. It resonate. 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: Twitchy Tim is trending because Jesse Waters has absolutely found 116 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: owned the fucking hammer blow to the whole, Tim Walls 117 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: is daddy vibe train that's happening. Uh here's here's just 118 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: Jesse Waters trying a new one. He's enthusiastic and effusive, 119 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: I think is what he means here. But hey, let's 120 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: let him embarrass himself. 121 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 6: Here's twitchy Tim on stage, waving profusely in a very unsettling. 122 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Manner, very unsettling. Okay, Frame by frame, how would you 123 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: describe that wave waving at Like, how's it like waving? 124 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: Maybe waving enthusiastically, Yeah, like at the wrist. You know 125 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: you're not doing full you know you're not moving from 126 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: the shoulder. You know, it's not a big white ye wave, 127 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: it's a little wrist. 128 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: I would also describe it as uncool, but not necessarily 129 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: trying to be cool. 130 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that's yeah, looks sincere we'll move okay, go on, 131 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: Jesse that men should not move this way. It's not 132 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: the way we laughing. 133 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 6: The handshakes probably the most telling this is Waltz his 134 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 6: wife shaking hands like business associates. 135 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: It's all to hug and kiss your wife in front 136 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: of probably, and she. 137 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: Was also kind of like, oh well, hello there, waving 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: and he kind of pulled her in for a hug 139 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: via a handshake. Again this this IS's husband Doug. Interesting 140 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: because then he hugged another man. 141 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh he really went in for the hug. Oh 142 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: the boy. They're just such the like that, Oh my god. 143 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: Wow. I will say at times that one laugh he 144 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: did felt like he was putting a little too much 145 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: sauce on it. You know. It was like I was like, 146 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: is that you, Tim But that's okay because it's pretty well, 147 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: it's pretty well known. He's not like one of these 148 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: big powerhouse political you know, performers at rallies. He's like 149 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: a pretty normal dude. He's not like a teleprompter guy 150 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: from from what I was reading at all, so like whatever, 151 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: but like he's just he seems like a normal guy 152 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: who's getting used to having to be in front of 153 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: thousands of people and be like a focal point and 154 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: not just be like, hey, good to see it. Uh huh, yeah, 155 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: give a little something to the crowd, you know what 156 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: I mean. But yeah, there's just in you know, the tampon, 157 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: Tim didn't think work. Doesnnow it's twitchy Tim. We'll see 158 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: what happens. He just seems to be genuinely excited, and 159 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: that's they don't know what to do with that. So 160 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: the struggle continues. 161 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back, 162 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: and we're back. And Islamophobia seems to be have you 163 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: heard about this stuff, because it seems to be having 164 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: a bit of a moment, like even more than usual. 165 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: So the reaction to the riots in the UK has 166 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: been there's a good Jacobin article. We'll link off two 167 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: in the footnotes, but just very tolerant of white supremacists 168 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: reticent to call out and condemn islamophobia when they see it, 169 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: and like not not willing to call this white supremacy 170 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: like terrorism when they see it. If you aren't up 171 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: on you know, the international news, there was a horrific 172 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: mass stabbing of children by a person who you know, 173 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: a lone wolf, native born English citizen, and it was 174 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: blamed on Muslim immigrants by a Russian social media account, 175 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: and that rumor kicked off massive like white supremacist terrorism 176 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: and like right wing riots complete with like book burnings, 177 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: Nazi salutes, and the government is just like. 178 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:12,479 Speaker 2: Buildings attacking hotels for a yeah, just setting up roadblocks 179 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: to check people's skin, like there's been a lot. 180 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: It's fucking scared shit, yeah, yeah, and the government seems 181 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: to be having a hard time recognizing it as terrorism 182 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: that needs to be dealt with as such. And yeah, 183 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: there just seems to be a mainstreaming of Islamophobia, like 184 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: and and then just I don't know, as right wing 185 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: groups become more popular, it's just like we need to 186 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: be really careful about when watching the mainstream media, like 187 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: catering to them and moving policy toward them, like with 188 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: all these elections happening and being like, well what about this, 189 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: Like is this unpopular? Would this make you more popular? 190 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: It's like that's no, like it that that can't be 191 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: part of the calculation. 192 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: It is interesting because like oddly enough that the US 193 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: is slightly ahead of the UK here with being like yeah, man, 194 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: white supremacist terror. Uh. I mean we don't like to 195 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 2: talk about it because you know that definitely appeals to 196 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: a certain subsection of media consumers, right yeah, like like 197 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: in that article, and I think just generally hearing a 198 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: lot of the commentary is like this has just been 199 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: allowed to simmer like underneath the surface, that this just 200 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: little bit of disinformation set off a ton of wacky shit. 201 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I am heartened to see the amount of 202 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: counter protesters that have also come out to really be 203 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: like fuck out of here, like this this is not happening, 204 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: because there were a lot of uh, sort of protests 205 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: that was that were being you know, coordinated by this 206 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: you know, like regressive right wing white supremacist group in 207 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: the UK, but that was met with a lot of 208 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: counter protests. But yeah, it's this is it is. This 209 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: is sort of what happens when that kind of rhetoric 210 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: goes unchecked and when you don't push back enough, it's 211 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: acceptable enough that people will then act out shit in 212 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: like physical space. 213 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: It just feels like the way the hour, like the 214 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: American mainstream media has like metabolized the student protests, like 215 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: they just seem to have been like, you know, that 216 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: wasn't a thing that got brought up when objecting to 217 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, you know, like that wasn't it. 218 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Was would say, like people on the left were concerned 219 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: about Josh Shapiro's characterization of people who are fully there 220 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: to protest the genocide and Gaza. And again, this is 221 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: something rhetorically that people like to use to sort of 222 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: begin to fuse anti Semitism into the conversation. So then 223 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: now you're having to then debate whether or not it's 224 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: anti semitism when your stated goal is to say, I'm 225 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: trying to stop genocide, that there are definitely bad faith actors, 226 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: but that is not the point of the ninety nine 227 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: point ninety nine of. 228 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: The people, like what they're being fucking killed. 229 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is yeah, like you know, Corey Bush, 230 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: who is a member of the Squad and Zuri lost 231 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: her primary APAC put in like something like nine million 232 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: dollars to unseat her, And again I. 233 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: Think it's created like, you know, a political misstep that 234 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: she was critical of Israel, you know exactly, it's well 235 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: should have known better. 236 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: Is also I think a lot of people don't understand 237 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: too as many people of color do see their struggle 238 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: intertwined with what is happening with Palestinian people, of course, 239 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: and that that we are living in a world that 240 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: says human are not human and you are allowed to 241 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: be on the receiving end of some horrific oppression and 242 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: having your right stripped away. So then to then condemn 243 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: people who are saying like I see our parallel struggles 244 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: as being intertwined, and like the liberation that we're seeking 245 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: is to you know, dismantle these systems of oppression and colonization. 246 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: To then have that be like, well, you went a 247 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: little too far there, I think shows everyone sort of 248 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: what the stakes are in terms of pushing back against 249 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: the status quo. And I I think that sort of definitely, 250 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: like to your point, like American media has definitely for 251 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: decades been like some people in the Middle East are 252 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: just bad guys who we've flattened into these one dimensional 253 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: caricatures of bad people and not human beings experiencing their 254 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: own struggles and trying to live their lives in a 255 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: way like every other human being is, which I think 256 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: also again, another thing that was trending was Kamala's rally 257 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: in Michigan that happened yesterday, and like protesters who were 258 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: there because again there's a huge Arab and Muslim population 259 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: in Michigan that they were there to protest the administrations, 260 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: you know, co signing of what is happening in Gaza 261 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: in the West Bank, and people were interrupting the speech. 262 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: They were protesting. Now I know, in the beginning, Kamala 263 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: first tried to say, hey, you know, like this is 264 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: a democracy, that's why I'm here. Your voice is valid, 265 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: all of our voices are valid, but I'm speaking here. 266 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: And then they kept going and she said something to 267 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: the effect of like, look, if you want Donald Trump 268 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: to win, just say that, and the crowd erupted and 269 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: like yeah, you know, big d Democrat. Twitter started like 270 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: dunking on these protesters in a way where you're like, 271 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: you you, we need to like for these people. They 272 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: have to look at these people as also very concerned 273 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: about what is happening and what is happening in the 274 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: name of Americans and American tax dollars. 275 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: And Kamala met with the organizers from the Young Committed 276 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Movement and yes, but yeah, it's mainly like the response 277 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: like online and you know where it was like yeah, 278 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, was just like wait what what? Yeah? Yeah, 279 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: that's the. 280 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: Kind of thing that disturbs people who are you know, 281 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: really concerned with any kind of sort of like liberation 282 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: movement and to have like someone who's at the top 283 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: of the ticket sort of just like try and be 284 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: like I'm going to reinforce the status quo and everyone's 285 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: going to cheer. That does not feel good. So that 286 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: is thing I think that the Harris Walls campaign hopefully 287 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: addresses because that was sort of like the first big 288 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: you're like, uh, it's wobbling again. You're in Michigan. You 289 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: could have even just said something like I totally understand 290 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: where you're coming from. No one wants to see this 291 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: massive loss of life on a scale like this that 292 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: is harming innocent children and people. It's it's it's terrible. 293 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: Let's find a time to speak, but please allow me 294 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: to finish, you know what I mean, Like, there's a 295 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: way to diplomatically say that acknowledge them and doesn't necessarily 296 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: make you look like you've caved to the quote. Hamas 297 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: wing of the party, as conservatives or moderates are trying 298 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: to say, and like, this is at a time right 299 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: now too where nearly seventy five percent of voters, seventy 300 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: five percent of Americans right do not want to be 301 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: dragged into a war in the Middle East over a 302 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: net and Yahoo's desire to stay in power. So articulating 303 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: some kind of boundary is especially prudent at a time 304 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: like this, at the very least as a way to 305 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: deter net and Yahoo from his worst impulses as things 306 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: get more and more tense with his feud with Hesbela 307 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: and Iran. So I don't know, like so everything just 308 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: feels like in limbo. People are looking for answers, and 309 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: I feel like this is now the time too for 310 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: Kamala and the kama the Harris Walls campaign to truly 311 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: begin articulating, like what this administration is going to stand for, 312 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: Like we know what you're against. You know, it's not 313 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: enough to say we're against tax breaks for billionaires, so 314 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: then say we are four taxing the fuck out of 315 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: billionaires so we can offer people more social services. It's 316 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: not enough to say you are against gun violence, you know, 317 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: say you are four substantive gun control laws and articulate 318 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: what it looks like and people are so stretched so thin. 319 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: Rhetoric alone isn't going to inspire hope, Like people need 320 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: to see a roadmap so we know where we are 321 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: and where we are going and how we get there. 322 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: It's not enough anymore to just be like, yeah, that's bad. 323 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: And I know they said, like, obviously you support a 324 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: women's right to choose, you want to codify Roe Vwaight, 325 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: Like Okay, that's that's a talking point. That makes sense 326 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: because you're saying if they're codify Roe Vwaight, well would 327 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: that happen tbd. But at least you're articulating something that 328 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: people can put something a bit of like emotion into. 329 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: And I bring this up because Trump did like a 330 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: virtual town hall because he's not really going in public 331 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: anymore or as much where he was like in Sturge, 332 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: like it was like with bikers in Sturgis and they 333 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: are yeah, he's on the phone and on Fox are like, hey, 334 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 2: what's something you want to ask President Trump? This is 335 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: a really I think, a really instructive moment because this 336 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: is someone who this is a fucking stars and stripes 337 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: vest clauded biker who looks like, you know, the like 338 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: a caricature of what you think a maga person is. 339 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: And I just want you to hear what this guy's 340 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: question is for Donald Trump, and how terribly Donald Trump 341 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: even handles this. 342 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 5: What are you gonna do about bringing down the rent 343 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: and things like that in the economy? Because out of 344 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 5: eight children that I'm a father and a stepfather too, 345 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 5: five of them are struggling and I'm giving them part 346 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 5: of my income on a regular basis. How are you 347 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 5: going to make the economy not just just the you know, 348 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 5: the food and electricity, but bring down the rent prices, 349 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 5: the housing prices so that these kids can survive and 350 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 5: without their parents' help. 351 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: Such a good question, mister President. You're right, I hear 352 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: it very well. And I tell you, first of all, 353 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: I love the people that you with. I know that 354 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: I must have at least ninety nine, perhaps one hundred 355 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: percent of all of them, and I think they're incredible. 356 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: We are going to drill, baby, drill. We're going to 357 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 3: bring down the cost of energy. Energy is what caused 358 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: the worst inflation I think in the history of our country. 359 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: Food prices are fifty percent sometimes more. You look at bacon, 360 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: bacon is quadrupled you can't order bacon. You can't order anything. 361 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: We're living horribly. We have the worst inflation. 362 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: We Okay, I gotta stop. Right this guy's like, drill. 363 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: I've got eight kids I'm supporting, and he's like, we're 364 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: gonna drill and then your kids will be able to 365 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: pay their rent in bacon slices because bacon will now 366 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: be It's like, you're not again. This is like such 367 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: a real experience that American people are the entire political spectrum. 368 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: It's it's touching them. And so like this is again 369 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: if you can articulate something that is a little bit 370 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: like because right now the other guys is being like, 371 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: drill bacon. 372 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: Huh uh huh, drill pro oil is my answer to 373 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: your children's rent ut exactly. 374 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: And like this is at a time when a lot 375 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: of moderates and like establishment democrats, right wingers in the media, 376 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: they're all saying some version of Kamala better say sorry 377 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: for wanting single payer healthcare or people will be. 378 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: Mad and they're apologizing for any regressive leanings in the past. 379 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: Feels like the yeah, this ain't the time to do that. 380 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Like you have you have excited young people who think 381 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: that something can be made of this, so like offer 382 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: something different, and when you just refuse to like articulate 383 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: something that allows people to reflexively think, oh, this ticket 384 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: isn't going to change anything. 385 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The one mainstream media criticism I've seen of 386 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: Harris that like, I think is worth paying attention to 387 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: is that when like in polling, and again like polling 388 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: is not true like a snapshot, but in polling about 389 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: who you trust to like handle the economy, they like, 390 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: she runs ten points behind Trump because he's rich guy 391 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: people in people's mind, So there's work to be done there, 392 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: to your point, like, and yeah, the way to do 393 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: that is not to just like sit back and try 394 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: not to offend people, but to like have ideas that 395 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: you can put Yeah there because you get drill for oil, 396 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: to lower rent cause you're. 397 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: You're gonna get applause if you say the rents too 398 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: damn high and housing prices are too high, food costs 399 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: are too high. Yeah, sure, yes, then now fucking articulate 400 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: what the plan is, like what And I get you've 401 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: only been in the driver's seat of your own campaign 402 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: for a little bit, so that is coming. But I 403 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: think that's truly the next thing, Like the Democrats pass 404 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: their first challenge by picking a vice president that helped 405 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: like augment the likability of the ticket, and now the 406 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: next one is truly going to be like what can 407 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: you articulate policy wise to now really get people to 408 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: be invested in what this future is going to because 409 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: if it's just you know, look at look at Trump, 410 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: aren't these people fucking weird? You can't fucking coast off 411 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: that into November, Like it's just impossible. And I know 412 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: that that is coming because no, like what fucking administration 413 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 2: or potential administration doesn't articulate those things. But this is 414 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: the next thing that will help, you know, get more 415 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: people interested in what this this ticket looks like or 416 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: be more deflated. And yeah, I think after I think 417 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people saw that comment to protesters who 418 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: are just you know, speaking up on behalf of Palestinians, 419 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: and we're like, ah, man, like that's it's a huge 420 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: issue that like a lot of a lot of people 421 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: are concerned with. But I think for them, they probably 422 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: see this as like as a minority of people and 423 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: if they can just kind of whatever they can they 424 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: can there's probably more people that don't care than do care. 425 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 2: And maybe that's their calculus, but I think it's, yeah, 426 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's work to be done, there's 427 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: work to be. 428 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: Done, there's work sure, all right, that is going to 429 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: do it for us this afternoon. We are back tomorrow 430 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: with the whole ast episode of the show. Until then, 431 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: be kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get 432 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: the back team, get the flu shot, don't do nothing 433 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: about white supremacy, and we will talk to you tomorrow. 434 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: Fight five