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Speaker 1: Rights the latest news and notes from the insiders who

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Speaker 3: Bring it on, Break it on, top downn save it.

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Speaker 2: Collin Slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: What is it like those cop shows, the Good Cop,

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Speaker 2: Bad Cop? Where I'm gonna ask the questions around here?

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Speaker 2: Bub I don't know what's that? What are those old

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Speaker 2: like sitcom or sitcom? Those old TV dramas? Danny's she's

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Speaker 2: struggling to.

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Speaker 3: Dramas. What are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: I like a good sitcom, but this is not a

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Speaker 4: Darren questions.

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Speaker 2: It was nine seconds. If you took the under on

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Speaker 2: when Danny would say, before my time it was nine seconds.

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Speaker 4: I've got a big birthday come up. I got to

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Speaker 4: get these in while I can see.

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Speaker 2: I see. We'll get to that. Believe me, we will

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Speaker 2: get to that a little bit later. The reason I

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Speaker 2: bring that up, I'm asking the questions around here is

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Speaker 2: because that's exactly what I'm doing off the top of

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Underground, Paul Calvec, Darren Rman, Danny Surrect because two

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Speaker 2: of the three of us were actually in Indianapolis for

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Speaker 2: the combine and the one person on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 2: We'll ask the questions and that's me. So give me

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Speaker 2: a few highlights. Danny, you know what stood out? What

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Speaker 2: are your big takeaways When you called the family when

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Speaker 2: you got home and they asked what it was all about?

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Speaker 2: What'd you say to it?

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Speaker 3: What Brian want to know?

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Speaker 2: Colley and the Dad reference was forty seven seconds in

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Speaker 2: so okay for those who have parlayers, that's your answer.

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Speaker 4: We had a good time. I love the combine. I

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Speaker 4: love being out there in Indy that week. It's a lot,

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Speaker 4: the days are very long, but it's fun and by

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Speaker 4: Thursday everybody around you is running on coffee and fumes

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Speaker 4: in very little sleep. But I feel like we put

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Speaker 4: out some pretty good content. I think if you're asking

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Speaker 4: about general takeaways from draft prospects, it seems what we

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Speaker 4: had talked about going into it in terms of which

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Speaker 4: which are needs for the Cardinals wide receiver, offensive tackle, interior,

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Speaker 4: defensive linemen. And then after watching some of those workouts

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Speaker 4: over the weekend, wide receivers specifically, these are big players

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Speaker 4: were cruising in those forties.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching Braydon Fisk from Florida's state. That

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's when you start talking about like the

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Speaker 2: I mean Braden Fisk from a Florida State I just

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Speaker 2: hear the crowd react if somebody I mean, Xave, You're worthy.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, did you not see the video? Zave,

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Speaker 3: You're worthy? Okay, when they all kind of erupted, Although

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Speaker 2: So it's sort of like Olympic figure skating when they

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Speaker 3: But again, I've only seen a video. I've never I've

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Speaker 2: Okay, started, it's twenty two combines and you've never gone

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Speaker 2: to watch the workouts for what?

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Speaker 3: For who?

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Speaker 2: Just a curiosity senior bowl.

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Speaker 4: That a lot of teams whatever. You know, most of

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Speaker 4: the scouts are coaching staff or whoever they send. If

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Speaker 4: you go out there and you're seeing what you need

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Speaker 4: to see in practice, not everybody stays for the game

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've covered on film, I've covered whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: that I've covered. In the NFL, I've watched and we

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Speaker 3: watching football practice in my life. I don't need to

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Speaker 3: go watch less than a football practice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well let's see here. How long should

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Speaker 2: it take me to get to the point that my

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Speaker 2: hashtag offered last week? And Cardinals Underground, let there be

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Speaker 2: a fourth QB and sure enough.

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Speaker 4: Would be your best hot take ever, Paul, because you

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Speaker 4: could be you could be right there.

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Speaker 2: I got a big groan out of that very sea

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Speaker 2: from Big Rob Frederickson about three hours ago during the

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Speaker 2: Red Sea Report when I brought up the CBS Sports

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Speaker 2: throughout a mock draft that had quarterback going one, two, three.

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Speaker 2: It was Caleb Williams, Jaydeon Daniels, J. J. McCarthy number three,

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Speaker 2: New England. How about that? And then the Cardinals go

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior and Drake May goes number five to

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Speaker 2: somebody who traded up Minnesota or something up. And I'm like, no, No,

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Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals trade out if they're at number

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Speaker 2: four and there's a quarterback like that, Drake may still

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Speaker 2: on the board at four. Don't you think money maximizes.

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Speaker 3: That somebody's got to want to come up.

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Speaker 2: There's like a half dozen teams I could name that

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying there won't be quarterback desperate teams,

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Speaker 3: but somebody's still gotta want to come up, and it's

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Speaker 3: still gotta be worth it to you. There's a big

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Speaker 3: difference between going back to six with the Giants or

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Speaker 3: eight with the Falcons, or twelve to the Broncos or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, the best thing that I've been able to

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Speaker 2: glean here in the last week or so is all

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Speaker 2: the noise and the hubbub around the Giants doing something

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Speaker 2: for quarterback, Because think about it, if you only have

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Speaker 2: to go down to six, if indeed the Giants want

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, boom, you're gonna have your

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Speaker 2: pick a one of the big time three receivers, one

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Speaker 2: of the two big time tackles, I mean, the top

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Speaker 2: it's Quinya Mitchell or Terry on Arnold right.

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Speaker 4: That was one of the interesting takeaways is talking with

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Speaker 4: a lot of draft analysts at the combine, it seems

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Speaker 4: like the gap is closing between what is a consensus

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Speaker 4: of the top three wide receivers of Marvin Harrison Junior,

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Speaker 4: my League, Neighbors, and Roma Dunsay, which is interesting. Now,

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Speaker 4: majority of mock drafts and what I have seen online

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Speaker 4: still have Harrison as the top receiver. However a Douneesay

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Speaker 4: other two receivers are off the board by seven or

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Speaker 4: eight like, it doesn't seem like the gap is very large,

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Speaker 4: which would bode well if the Cardinals decide to trade down,

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Speaker 4: even if it's a few spots. Let's say they trade

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Speaker 4: down to the Giants at six and a quarterback is

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Speaker 4: taken at four, and let's say the Chargers want to

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Speaker 4: from what I have gathered speaking with analysts, a very

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Speaker 4: offense moving forward. And I say wide receiver because something

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Speaker 4: else that we had learned from talking with people in

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Speaker 4: let's say they are trading down to six. They might

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Speaker 4: flop of offensive linemen and now they're looking for a

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Speaker 4: wide receiver, whatever that might be. The Cardinals are going

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Speaker 3: It was funny because we've been messing around with these

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Speaker 3: mock draft machines. I sent this one to a handful

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Speaker 3: of people and Danny Stott the other day because it

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Speaker 3: made me think of it when you were just talking

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Speaker 3: about it going down to So I'm using it's the

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Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus mock draft machine. And again this is

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Speaker 3: purely for entertainment. This is not for any gambling purposes whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: So the way the way this machine works is the

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Speaker 3: trades are offered to you like you don't go out

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Speaker 3: and seek a trade. Somebody will say, this team wants

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Speaker 3: Harrison's off the board at three.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so again not a disaster because there are

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Speaker 2: three quarterbacks, so that means one of those Big three

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Speaker 3: So then I trade with the Giants to go from

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Speaker 3: four to six. I give up six rounder one to

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Speaker 3: eighty eight, get back around a second round thirty nine. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: now could I maybe got more? I tried to get more,

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Speaker 3: they didn't give me anymore. Then we go the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: in this mock draft, this fake mock draft, go down

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Speaker 3: to six, and then the next two high receivers went

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Speaker 3: eight because the Falcons want to move up. I get

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Speaker 3: another second round pick forty three, give up a fifth

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Speaker 3: round or something like that. So now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I got all this. So this this was the picks

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Speaker 3: I end up getting first round Joe Alt and then

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Speaker 3: the LSU receiver Brian Thomas twenty seven. Yep, second round.

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Speaker 3: I have three picks ns Rakestraw, the cornerback from there,

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Speaker 3: there you go. Chop Robinson at thirty nine, ran a

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Speaker 3: all the way to seven. But round three you're boy fisk.

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Speaker 2: Now you must have been using the the Google Ai Gemini,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you don't think you ast still a round

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Speaker 3: three No, I don't mind that mock draft. I know

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Speaker 3: you mentioned that to me. I was, I was pretty

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Let me tell you that Brian Thomas, he went

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Speaker 2: He caught the ball very easily, naturally, he went out

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Speaker 2: lot of receiver talent. If you don't get one of

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Speaker 4: Big, receivers pitched at Texas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, more than six two two o five. They say,

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Speaker 3: So till you say all that stuff, why would you

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Speaker 2: Who's that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Fisk, because you're gonna have all these other guys

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Speaker 2: Fisk in round three? Yeah, okay, all right. So you're

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Speaker 2: saying like you'd be talking like seventy or so, well you're.

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Speaker 3: Talking, Oh, well, okay, that's true. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: The only reason I say that, too, is because if

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Speaker 2: if indeed the Cardinals need receiver, they do they need tackle,

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Speaker 2: they do they need corner, but guess what those could

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Speaker 2: be the three most loaded positions in this draft. So maybe,

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Speaker 2: just maybe, if Monti trades down a little bit, he

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Speaker 3: Like the thought, or you're trading down from four and

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Speaker 2: If you trade down to like eight or even you know, eleven.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I mean maybe if if you're training down in

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Speaker 4: thought is, don't force it. Yes, you might need an

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Speaker 4: when you're looking at their skill set and how they

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Speaker 4: would rather yes, those those three positions of cornerback, wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: immediately be an impactful player. Even if it's deep in

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Speaker 3: Spots in the draft where they are now, mean.

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Speaker 4: Right where they or wherever. Even if you trade backer,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I wouldn't don't. I don't

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Speaker 4: love the idea of, Okay, we're gonna pass on this

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Speaker 4: really really good cornerback here at the top of the

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Speaker 4: second because we want this good interior defensive lineman and

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Speaker 4: we'll get another good cornerback later on. I think that

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Speaker 4: later rounds. But with where the Cardinals are really in

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Speaker 4: those first two three rounds, I would like to see

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Speaker 3: So does that include four though, like you keep because

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Speaker 3: that's the This has been brought up in the mail

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Speaker 3: bag a bunch. Why trade down from four, when you're

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Speaker 3: going to get a better player at four than you

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Speaker 3: would at eight or twelve.

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Speaker 2: Can I answer that?

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Speaker 3: Go right ahead, Paul, thanks for raising your hand.

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Speaker 2: Because you have multiple needs and wants and more players,

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Speaker 2: more better. Okay, if you get more picks, you get

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Speaker 2: more bites of the apple in this class. This absolute,

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Speaker 2: This class is loaded and next year, guess what, not

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Speaker 2: quite as loaded by most analysts and experts who are forecasting,

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Speaker 4: The gap in skill level is much smaller if I'm

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Speaker 4: going from four to six or four to eight than

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Speaker 4: I'm just I understand. You get to a point where

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Speaker 4: it's Okay, we have this defensive lineman here, we're in

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Speaker 4: round four. We still need a cornerback. Cornerback is deeper,

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Speaker 4: we're expecting one to be later. Okay, let's take the

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Speaker 4: d lineman here. But I'm saying early on, I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: want to force taking an edge for the soul fact

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Speaker 4: that this is not a deep edge class. If that's

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Speaker 4: and if it doesn't match up to where you would

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Speaker 3: Well, because we'll use Marvin Harrison as an example, because

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Speaker 3: that's where a lot of the fans' heads are right now,

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Speaker 3: for example. But like if you've got Marvin Harrison and

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Speaker 3: the teams do. They don't. Now, they could be right

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Speaker 3: for example, if he's a next level guy, a guy

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Speaker 3: whatever it is, and you're passing on that kind of

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Speaker 3: like what they did with Will Anderson last year. Now,

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Speaker 3: I think it's still too early to say, Paris Johnson

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Speaker 3: but if he turns out to be a Pro Bowl tackle,

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Speaker 3: But in this case, do you pass up with Marvin

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Speaker 3: That's That's what a lot of fans are on the

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison, for this example, is going to be so

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Speaker 3: great that if you pass up on him, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter what you get, what you collect, You've you've already

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Speaker 4: Risk, is what you're saying. And fans of take the

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Speaker 4: risk of drafting Marvin Harrison, Well.

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Speaker 3: They're not, they're not. See. The thing is is I'm

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Speaker 4: Well, there's a risk with every player, right, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: It was interesting because Craig Greulu and I talked with

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Speaker 4: and we had talked about the risk of drafting a

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Speaker 4: And he had an interesting point of the way that

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Speaker 2: First off, on the Marvin Harrison junior thing, and he's

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Speaker 2: a sure thing. I'm not here, are you that? I

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Speaker 2: am here to cite history. Here's the wide receivers taken

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Speaker 2: Chase fifth, and the we're instant results. You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 4: So about three of those.

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Speaker 3: It's improving as we go on, you know.

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Speaker 2: Darren ever the optimist, and I bring that up because

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Speaker 2: we didn't see Marvin Harrison Junior workout. We didn't see

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Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors workout, I know for years, truly, I didn't

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Speaker 2: saw next to nothing of Malik Neighbors this year other

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Speaker 2: watching Roma doonsa workout. Romadonsay meet the media. He was

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Speaker 4: What about that question if he could land an airplane?

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Speaker 4: I loved the honesty he said.

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Speaker 2: I missed it. What do you say?

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Speaker 4: Somebody? You know, every now and then there are random questions,

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Speaker 4: and somebody had asked Rome, if you had to emergency

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Speaker 4: land an airplane, could you and he said, no, all

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: And that wasn't a random question. It was some Yahoo

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I saw.

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Speaker 3: Some of that plane. It's all stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So where I'm going with this is we don't know

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Speaker 2: exactly what MANI assom for thanks to your point earlier. No,

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Speaker 2: and MANI, like every other NFL GM says, we don't

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Speaker 2: pay attention to the mock drafts. So we're influenced most

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Speaker 2: definitely influenced by the fact that, for example, nobody has

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Speaker 2: Dallas Turner in the top five. But wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: he's six three two forty seven. He ran a four

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Speaker 3: See that's a sole was he a game record Alabama? Everything?

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Speaker 3: I when I was watching during the year before we

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Speaker 2: Now, meaning they're going to go back to the film.

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Speaker 3: They'll go back to the film. They should go back

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Speaker 4: Film doesn't lie, you know, and we.

437
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Speaker 3: We That's the thing is we we've hyped up. And

438
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 3: the other thing that strikes me as we were at

439
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: the combine and seeing all these players is like all

440
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 3: the players were focusing on and doing the names of

441
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: and we're at the podium they're all gone in like

442
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: the first forty five I picks, and it's like, you're, well,

443
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: in cardinals case, that could be three of them, so

444
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: that's not nothing, but like so many of them there.

445
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 4: Were like three three hundred plus players.

446
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: Right, we're not we're not listening to them talk and

447
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 3: talking about what they're saying. And that's people always kind

448
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: of like to get on me because I'm not a

449
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: huge draft guy, and that's part of it for me.

450
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: I've been, especially as long as I'm doing it. We're

451
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Speaker 3: going to talk about three hundred players or whatever it is,

452
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: and then ten of them are going to show up

453
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: and that's it. And I always felt like I can write,

454
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Speaker 3: I'll talk about the ten that are here when they

455
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Speaker 3: get here. I mean, I know I can't fill up

456
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Speaker 3: three months worth of content doing that, but that that's

457
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Speaker 3: kind of where I fall with a draft. It's that

458
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Speaker 3: it's a little harder for me because I'm like, so

459
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: many of this, so much of this stuff is meaningless.

460
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Speaker 2: And then after it's all done, but I appreciate listening

461
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: fifth round rookie Pokaonook comes in and blows up the

462
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: NFL out of nowhere.

463
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you just get lucky. Perhaps, I mean, it's hard

464
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 4: work to do the evaluation, but sometimes you just get lucky.

465
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: Well, And again, one of the things that always bothers

466
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: me is like, Okay, great for less need for getting

467
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: pookun Aakua in the fifth round, and that's a great pick.

468
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 3: But if you had any inkling that he was going

469
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: to be anywhere near as good as you wouldn't have

470
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: waited till the fifth round. It's like the old Tom

471
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 3: Brady thing. The Patriots aren't geniuses for getting Tom Brady.

472
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: They locked into it because if they thought he was

473
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Speaker 3: going to be anywhere close to it, you're not waiting

474
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Speaker 3: till the sixth round.

475
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 4: Rock Pridy probably would not have been mister irrelevant if

476
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 4: people had known what they would know.

477
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: Probably not yet eight months later, or the inverse.

478
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Speaker 2: The Niners using that same team most definitely wouldn't have

479
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: given up three first round picks to go get Trey

480
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 2: Lance solid point. So my problem is this time of year,

481
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: and it happens every year. A bird in the hand

482
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: is better than two in the bush, and I want

483
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: like ten in the bush right now. I mean, there's

484
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: like so many players that are out there. You're just like, man,

485
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: can you just maximize the picks and go after Quinny

486
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: and Mitchell at corner or Terry on Arnold? Give me

487
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: the corner, give me the Braden Fisk, you know, give

488
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 2: me Dallas Turner, you know, give me two of the receivers.

489
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, do you just want to go

490
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: out with like a you know, like in all you

491
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: can eat buffet and just boom.

492
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: Load up your plate star team of draft.

493
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: Your eyes are bigger than your appetite, you know that

494
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So then you right, So.

495
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: You've Frid Warner hands their lunch to them a couple

496
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: of times and they're like, oh, yeah, they're just rookies.

497
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: Frederickson's telling me about the inside linebacker out of A

498
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: and M, who I was not familiar with at all,

499
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: and he looks supposedly ridiculous, and I'm like, not trot.

500
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: So you start thinking, Okay, what if you had a

501
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Rokwand Smith or a Fred Warner right there alongside Kaiser White.

502
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

503
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: Isaiah Simmons.

504
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Isaiah.

505
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: Why couldn't Isaiah?

506
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 3: I've been you know, no inside linebackers, no inside.

507
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 4: Linebackers every Cardinals.

508
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: So when you watch, but when you were watching this season, okay,

509
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: if we're in the trust tree right here, when you're

510
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: watching the season, you saw the Ravens, especially in the postseason,

511
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: and you saw Kyle Hamilton, they're all pro safety.

512
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: Yes, he's pretty good.

513
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: Didn't that remind you of Isaiah Simmons, Same stinking body type,

514
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: same measurables pretty much, and you're like, look at that guy,

515
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: roam the field, the center field, deep center field, and

516
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: he is an absolute.

517
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Speaker 3: Different pick later than Simmons did in the draft. Again much.

518
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about, is like, how do

519
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: you know? You don't know for sure.

520
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: Exactly, So to me, I find myself salivating over the

521
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: centers as well. This Zach Frasier out of West Virginia.

522
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: He was pretty good with the media from what I saw.

523
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: Four time heavyweight state high school wrestling champ four point

524
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: zero student at West Virginia says, Oh, yeah, I love

525
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: run blocking because I love to tee off on people.

526
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: That sounds like a Jonathan Gannon type of offensive lineman.

527
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: The guy from Oregon, Jackson Powers Johnson. So all these names,

528
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: here's the question. Before we get to the draft, we

529
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: had to get to free agency, and we're already seeing

530
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: some names that will or will not be available. Did

531
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Speaker 2: you guys get a sensor a vibe. Danny, you talked

532
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: to maniasen Ford. What do you think how you're reading

533
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: free agency? Fifty million or so available for the Cardinals.

534
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 4: It's it's going to be supplemental. It's very clear after

535
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: hearing from Mani ausen Ford and Jonathan Gannon at the

536
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 4: podium with the media, as well as getting a chance

537
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: to sit down one on one, which is with each

538
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: of them, that they are on the same page with

539
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 4: philosophy that building a team is based around the draft.

540
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 4: That is clear that free agency is supplemental. Mani austin

541
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: Ford did say at the podium that the Cardinals were

542
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: going to strike and be aggressive in free agency when

543
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: the right opportunity came to be, and when I had

544
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: asked him about that, he was saying, you know it's

545
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 4: it's when I say be aggressive, I mean be prepared

546
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: and be knowledgeable of not just the player evaluation, but

547
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: the player valuation and the market value of because free

548
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: agency Monday, March eleventh is when teams can legally start

549
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: talking with free agents, and then two days later on

550
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: the thirteenth, that's when they can start signing with other teams.

551
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: I don't to hear the two of them talk about

552
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 4: it being Supplemental tells me that it's probably a position

553
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: that they are not expecting to have a plug and

554
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 4: play draft prospect come in. So I'm I am still

555
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: leaning towards what we had been saying, which probably defense,

556
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 4: maybe a pass rusher that that still makes the most sense,

557
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: or maybe they are wanting to beef up that D line.

558
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: We know that the two of them really value the

559
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage and understand that you have to in

560
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 4: order to win a game, you have to win in

561
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: the trenches. That's not to say if they sign a

562
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 4: defensive lineman they wouldn't draft one within the first one

563
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 4: to three rounds. I'm not saying that. I'm just.

564
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: Probably have to do that.

565
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that cover.

566
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 4: I don't I don't see them making a lot of

567
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 4: splash moves. It really does either feel like maybe they

568
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: get one big player or similar to last year where

569
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: Austin Ford was signing a lot lot of one maybe

570
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: a couple two year deals, like a Kaiser White, when

571
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 4: he brought in Josh Woods, those linebackers, Zach Pascal, it

572
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: kind of would. I would feel like it would be more.

573
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: Moves like that, And and the other thing is like,

574
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: let's take the offensive line. I mentioned this in the mailback.

575
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: Let's take the offensive line for example. We keep talking

576
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: about whether they could draft a tackle, and it is

577
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: strong in tackles, and some of these guys can play

578
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: guard too, but like you're also looking to upgrade that

579
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: left guard as well as finding a tackle, So maybe

580
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: you go find that guard in free agency who's more

581
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: of a veteran. So if you end up with two

582
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: young tackles, then you have two veteran guards. That's a possibility.

583
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: I like we were just saying I could see them

584
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: signing a defensive lineman plus drafting I think I personally

585
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: think they need a veteran cornerback of some sort with

586
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: how young they're going to be in that room. So

587
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: I don't I would agree with Danny, I don't. I

588
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: don't think you're going to have any kind of like

589
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: like I'm I'm sure as we get closer, Christian Wilkins,

590
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: the defensive tackle from the Dolphins, is going to be

591
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: on the market.

592
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: And that's the name I was gonna bring up if.

593
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: He doesn't re sign with Miami between now and then, Now,

594
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: do they are they willing to go after a guy

595
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: like that for the kind of money it's gonna cost.

596
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: I don't know.

597
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: The Cardinals might still be a year or two away

598
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: from really spending that kind of money if they feel

599
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: they are a position or player or two away from

600
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: really being competitive in the postseason.

601
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: See and if it's Chris Jones and he's age thirty already, right,

602
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: and he's on the back end of his career, then

603
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: I agree with you. But if you're Christian Wilkins and

604
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: you're in your prime and you still have four or

605
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: five of your best years in your career ahead of you,

606
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 2: I wonder, I really wonder, Especially if you can get

607
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: a Christian Wilkins, It's gonna cost you a lot of money,

608
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: but it won't cost you any assets.

609
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 3: Right, No, that's true.

610
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: So whereas like the Bears had to go out and

611
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: give up a high second round pick and pay a

612
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: record contract to Montes Sweat, you only have to pay

613
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: the money now only.

614
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: But still if you have it's not your money, Paul,

615
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: that's okay to say, yeah.

616
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: Money available. And I'm just thinking that is a strategic

617
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: big spend that could pay off. You get the player

618
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: you need at the position you need. You get a

619
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: guy to mentor a lot of younger players, you know,

620
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: just like you said, if you get that veteran corner

621
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: in there, it's a mentor maybe some young corners.

622
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: And that's again that's the key. Like I don't know

623
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: anything about Christian Wilkins, for example, Like I don't know

624
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: if he's a mentor, is he a leader? Time do they?

625
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: You know? And again when they start doing that, there's

626
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: been so much stress from both stressed by both Monty

627
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: and JG that they need the right people as well

628
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: as the right players. And so we're we're we're we

629
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: don't know what.

630
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: Kind of And I don't take that as not every

631
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: player needs to come in and be a leader. You

632
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: can't have too many cooks in the kitchen. I think

633
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: it's does the player come in and have the right

634
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: mindset where they are coming in focused team above themselves,

635
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: doing what they need to do that is bettering themselves

636
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: and more so the team, putting the team the best

637
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 4: position and keeping their head down, not causing you know, drama,

638
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: trouble or things of that nature. And that's kind of

639
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: what I take it as is being a leader, especially

640
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: as a veteran. That is what most veterans end up

641
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 4: becoming is in some sense, even if it's just in

642
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: their position room being a mentor and a leader. But

643
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: it's as long as they are just having the right

644
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: mindset and team mentality. I think that's priority here and.

645
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: More importantly coming from South Florida, he doesn't want to

646
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: go to cold Weather. I mean you want to come

647
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 2: to the AZ if you're Christian Wilkins, I mean, come on,

648
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: you know what you need the sunshine, right.

649
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: It's just the ra fanom the most money, That's what

650
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 3: it's going to come down to.

651
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: It's the rare case where a guy like that might

652
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: truly really hit the market and be available. Because every

653
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: other person that we talked about and just longed for

654
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: right on our wish list. Guess what Brian Burns and

655
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: Justin Madabweke and Josh Allen and Jalen Johnson, the corner

656
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: and the safety Antoine Winfield. All these premier guys got tagged,

657
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: so okay. Now the players who are hitting the market

658
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: big names almost they're all running backs, are they not.

659
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of big name running backs.

660
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Which Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry, Austin Eckler.

661
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs, Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Pollard.

662
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

663
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm dying to know where the running back

664
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: market goes because I can't. Teams don't want to pay

665
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: running backs anyways, and now you've got a glut of

666
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: them out there, Like the Cardinals don't need a running back.

667
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: They're not gonna they wouldn't be interested in any of

668
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: those guys. I would think that those guys. It feels

669
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: like a game of musical chairs for real, for these guys,

670
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: because if you're talking about eight or nine premier names

671
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift, who had a pretty good year with the Eagles,

672
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: you know, there's only so many teams that even have

673
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: spots where they're gonna want guys like that.

674
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: I have a different opinion than Darren So, Danny, you're

675
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: the tiebreaker. Do the Cardinals need a running back?

676
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: You're saying one of these big name running backs that

677
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: are gonna hit the market.

678
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: Isn't there a big gap, a big fall off from

679
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: James Connor on the depth chart right now and James

680
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: Connor knowing how much the Cardinals want to run the ball,

681
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: and knowing that James Connor has been prone to injury,

682
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: are the Cardinals in the market for a running back?

683
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say no now. I think later on, as

684
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: you start getting further into the off season, I would

685
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 4: be okay with signing a running back. I would not

686
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: jump the gun and sign one of these big name

687
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: running backs because of what you would have to pay

688
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: for them, Because I mean, like when Zeke went to

689
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: New England, he knew he wasn't going to be the

690
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: main back. But why would you pay that money and

691
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: bring in Austin Eckler if he's going to be behind

692
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: James Connor? Right?

693
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: Well, but two months from now, what are these running

694
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: backs commanding if they're still on the market, right.

695
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I would not make that decision early

696
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: in free agency. To me, that is something that I

697
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: would sit on to the draft. I would maybe get

698
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: through a couple weeks of training camp and see where

699
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: everything kind of wait, wait, but if you're asking, do

700
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: I think that win free agency hits that that should

701
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: be one of the moves, in one of the early

702
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 4: moves the Cardinals do. No, I'm with Darren. I'm gonna

703
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: assume I know enough of you. I'm gonna assume you

704
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: feel the same way, Darren.

705
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: No, Well, here's the thing. What it could have hurt?

706
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: Like I I liked what I saw to Michael Carter

707
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 3: last year, and he's under contract. I'm curious. I'm trying

708
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: to see where Paul is getting at because I don't

709
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: trust him. Here, let's let's say the running back market creators. Okay,

710
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: and I'm just picking a name here. Tony Pollard, Oh,

711
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: nice guy, great, sign him up.

712
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: Sign him up like the Danny Seal of approval.

713
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 3: You do you think, like, how does how does James

714
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: Connor handle an Austin Eckler or a Tony Pollard showing

715
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: up here?

716
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Like?

717
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: I don't. I think there's more involved here than just

718
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: adding a name. Mister, I want to play Madden.

719
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: Now, Well, I mean, okay, I get it. I get it,

720
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 2: egos can be fragile. But you know, James Connor, team captain,

721
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: you know, bully ball himself, right, the whole iron sharpens iron.

722
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: Going into a contract season where he's trying to make

723
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 3: sure he gets paid.

724
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, there's also there's another reason why manti As Saport

725
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: might be interested in test driving another running back. I

726
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: think it's too early because they always work a year

727
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: ahead of time.

728
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: I find that with all of these running backs, you're

729
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: gonna get to late in the off season, training camp,

730
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: early in the regular season, where there's a handful of

731
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 4: them that are probably still going to be free agents,

732
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: and you can make that decision. Then I would not

733
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 4: sign a running back under you know, just assuming that. Okay,

734
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: James Connor is going to get hurt. Okay, let's have

735
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: you know, like the Cardinals. I'm with Darren the Cardinal's

736
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 4: done a nice job of figuring out the one two

737
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: punch with Michael Carter and with James Connor and having

738
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: Amari de Mercado as your block you know, third down

739
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: as your big blocker. I just I liked what the

740
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: Cardinals were doing enough to the point where I don't

741
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: feel like we they that needs to be one of

742
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: the big signings for me.

743
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: It would be if you want to, if you want

744
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: to take a flyer on a on a Saturday running

745
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: back in the draft, Okay, you got enough picks you

746
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: could probably handle that. But for the exact same reason.

747
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: All these guys are out there right now. They're going

748
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: to be out there next year. If Connor, if you

749
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: want to, if you want to move on from Connor

750
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: after next year, and who knows if that's going to happen,

751
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: they'll be running backs on the market. I don't I

752
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: don't know why you would want to.

753
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: And also, these running backs you're going to talk about,

754
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: with the exception of Tony Poller, who's a little younger,

755
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: you're talking about, majority these running backs are close to

756
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: the same age, have also, doubt what their fair share

757
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: of injuries. I'm not sure what you would be getting

758
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: would be that different than what you already have in JC.

759
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: I guess if I'm playing GM, I'm thinking, all right,

760
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: we got James Connor, a two time pro bowler, I mean,

761
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: top five and yards per carry, Cardinals had a top

762
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 2: five run game, number two and yards per carry, et cetera.

763
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 2: But what if Dot dot dot his shoe comes off.

764
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: As Nick Rowsis likes to say, what if he's unavailable.

765
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: I think that's a fair it's a fair point.

766
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: Is Michael Carter a twenty touch per game guy? Is

767
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: Amario de Mercado someone you're gonna, you know, use as

768
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: a workhorse running back. I mean, if some of these

769
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: big names are on the market after the draft and

770
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: they're not commanding because the market has cratered what they

771
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: would typically command and they need a one year prove

772
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: it deal, yes I would consider it.

773
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: But see, and that's the other catch. If I'm a

774
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 3: running back.

775
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: Chris Johnson once upon a time, right came to the

776
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: Cardinals in a similar situation.

777
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Well not really because when he showed up, it was

778
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: they didn't think David Johnson was gonna do what he

779
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: did as a rookie. And I see, I look at

780
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: it this way. If I'm the same thing with Hollywood Brown,

781
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: Like people used to say, well, maybe he'll come back

782
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: to the Cardinals on a prove it deal. But the

783
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: problem and it would it would in Hollywood's case, it

784
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: would probably be before the draft. Now we're talking about

785
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: running backs after the draft. If I'm a running back,

786
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: and the market is cratered, and and again, you got

787
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: to do what you gotta do. But like, I'm not

788
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: going to I'm not playing on a one year proven

789
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: deal a place where they've already got the starting running back.

790
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: That how are you going to prove anything? You're the

791
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: backup unless the guy gets injured. I understand why the

792
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: Cardinals might want it, And again I understand when you're

793
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: not talking about persons, feelings or trying to you know,

794
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: get a long term deal. It's real easy to do

795
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: it in Madden, but like this is real life, and

796
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't I don't understand unless they absolutely had no

797
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 3: other choice, why they would come to Arizona where you're

798
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 3: not going to get the touches you want.

799
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: I guess the sales job would be. Okay, did you

800
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: see Drew Petsing's offense last year? We're gonna run at

801
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: thirty times a game, and three of our last four

802
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: games we ran for more than two hundred yards running

803
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: the balls in our DNA like the previous offensive scheme

804
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: with the Arizona Cardinals. So I agree, but I think

805
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: a selling point in this case could be to another

806
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: running back. We'll see, but you brought up Hollywood Brown.

807
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: I did think we're going to get an answer right

808
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: away on Hollywood Brown. You think there's going to be

809
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: a market for Hollywood Brown right away?

810
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: I like on the thirteenth, that first day, I don't know.

811
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: I think within the first week, yes, I think that

812
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 4: knowing that Hollywood wants to be here, the connection he

813
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 4: has with Kyler Murray, if he's willing to be here,

814
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: and let's say the Cardinals want to give him a

815
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: one year proven deal, see if you can stay healthy,

816
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: make more of an impact. Great. If another team's going

817
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: to offer him more money on a two or maybe

818
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: three year deal, I wouldn't put it past him to

819
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: take that. I want to not just Hollywood Brown, but

820
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: any player of it. Really free agency. It comes down

821
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: to the money and the reps that you are going

822
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 4: to get. I still believe that if it works for

823
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: both sides and the Cardinals can give Hollywood a one year,

824
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 4: proved deal and then assuming that they will draft a

825
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: wide receiver, I still think that could work out well

826
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: with what you also have in Michael Wilson and Rondea

827
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: Moore and Greg Dortch. I wouldn't say that signing Hollywood

828
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: to even however many years. However sort of long deal

829
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 4: would affect the way the Cardinals would look at wide

830
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: receiver in their draft by any means. But I'm not

831
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 4: one of those people who I've seen online of I'm

832
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: completely done with Holly Brown. Don't want to sign him

833
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: at all. I think it would make sense of if

834
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 4: it fits for both sides, giving him a one year

835
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: proved deal and keeping him here.

836
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: You know, it's not often that I stump and stupefy one.

837
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: Craig grieliou okay, can't spelled greeolou without the AI artificial intelligence. Okay,

838
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 2: but I did a little math. Waive my rule, no math,

839
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: and I said, you know what, how many games together

840
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: have Kyler Murray and Hollywood Brown played in their two

841
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: years as years a guest?

842
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: Because Kyler was hurt this year.

843
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: Full games played together. I'm not counting the New England

844
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: game where Kyler got hurt.

845
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: Paul by the.

846
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: Way, and I'm not I haven't made it on Twitter.

847
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: She doesn't follow me. That's why I can always post

848
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: questions to Danny because she doesn't know. She doesn't follow me.

849
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? She got much money? So think

850
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: about the last two years, and the two of them

851
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: playing games together, I'm.

852
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: Going to say.

853
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: Eight.

854
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 2: Wow, you ended up with the under Oh the answer

855
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: is eleven over two games.

856
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: So out of over two seasons.

857
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: Over two seasons, so in thirty four possible games, they

858
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: played eleven games full games together and only one game

859
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: for Hollywoodrown regardless of the quarterback, as he had one

860
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: hundred yard receiving game for the Arizona Cardinals. Really one

861
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: game in two years. Now, once again, look at the film.

862
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: He's winning, He's got separation. Various quarterbacks failed to maximize

863
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: his production. You know, the beginning of twenty twenty two,

864
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: him and Kyler pretty much left off where they were

865
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma twenty eighteen. In Oklahoma they played fourteen games

866
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: together in two years. With the Cardinals they played eleven.

867
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: Wow.

868
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: So and then here's the other thing I threw out

869
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: on Red Sea Report was that, Okay, wait a minute,

870
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: presuming the Cardinals are going to go with receiver at

871
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: number four, let's just go that round. All the mock drafts,

872
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: whether it's Marvin Harrison Junior or the latest Lancer line

873
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: two point oh NFL dot Com, you guys talk to

874
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: him right Lancer Line after the combine. He put out

875
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: quarterback one two, three, number four Cardinals go receiver Mleak Neighbors.

876
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: Mind blow right, Okay, so let's say they do go receiver. Now,

877
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: your two outside receivers are the rookie Molik Neighbors and

878
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson. Here's Hollywood Brown to me, and a Tyreek

879
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: Hill type of mode, right, that sort of role where

880
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: he's in motion all the time. He's the Jets sweep guy.

881
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: He's he's going behind Kyler Away, Kyler Ball and the

882
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: hip who has it? Which four to three guy has it?

883
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: I mean, you could really mess with the defense, sort

884
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: of like when Tyreek Hill was in his prime with

885
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs, and he was sometimes he was

886
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: a decoy, sometimes he was the secret weapon. And we

887
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: know how much Jonathan Gannon has spoken before about being

888
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator and being worried about that guy, the

889
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: four to three guy, Hollywood Brown. See, I think Jonathan

890
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: Gannon values Hollywood Brown more than most people on the

891
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: outside presume. So I'm intrigued by at a premier rookie

892
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: receiver Michael Wilson, your two and then Hollywood Brown dial

893
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: him up.

894
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: Interesting, We'll see they don't do a lot of stuff

895
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: that in their offense like that though. It's true, so

896
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: they'd have to add add just saying what.

897
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: Was JG's comment in the media, whether he was messing

898
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: with the media or not in the final press coming

899
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: We're gonna tear it, tear it all down. Oh what

900
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: does that mean? Dot dot dot?

901
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: I can tell you what it means because I asked

902
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: himbout one.

903
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: On one, Here we go, here we go. All right, now,

904
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: now I'm following Danny on Twitter, here we go? What

905
00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: do you have?

906
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 4: He had said, it was more about the growth mindset.

907
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: That's what he meant by tearing things down is looking

908
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: inwards of what were what were we doing that was working,

909
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 4: working for the players that they liked, that they were

910
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: learning from and improving from, and where do we need

911
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: to get better? He'd say, Yeah, it's not it's not

912
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: tearing everything down and starting from scratching her too. It's

913
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 4: more having that growth mindset. Is He clarified that.

914
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: So you know, you're not putting the car up on

915
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: blocks and tearing out the engine in your garage, maybe

916
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: adding a turbo charger or something like that.

917
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: Okay, always comes back to cars.

918
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: I just thought to throw that out there.

919
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: Okay, you say, Paul, I don't know anything of what

920
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: you're saying. But if what you're so sure it's good.

921
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: Anybody else in free agency that I'm missing? Any other

922
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: positions that you think are in the crosshairs for MANI

923
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: asin for that aren't being talked about enough. Did you

924
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: get a vibe from the combine as to who or

925
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: where the Cardinals might be going in free agency? Like

926
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: you mentioned guard, is there a veteran guard? It could

927
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: be plug and play immediately.

928
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: I can for sure see them just looking at trench's

929
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: either side. We just we know that's what they value

930
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 4: and that's where the Cardinals also need help and they

931
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 4: need depth. We still don't know the recovery process or

932
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: what the plan is for the future with an LJ.

933
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 4: Collier or Carlos.

934
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: Walkins or Jonathan Ledbetter.

935
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: There's a lot of questions we just still don't have

936
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: answers to. I could absolutely see them looking at veteran

937
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: defensive linemen again, similar to what they did last year

938
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 4: with some of those one or two year deals.

939
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean that sales pitch you gave, like Carlos Watkins

940
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: who came over from Dallas because he was buried on

941
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: a deep Dallas defensive line, and he say, come on over,

942
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna get plenty of reps. You're gonna get plenty

943
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: of chances to put up stats and be a big

944
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: factor in the Cardinals defense. That's the selling point. If

945
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm a defensive lineman, I'm in the open market and

946
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: I want to bolster my value. I mean, come and

947
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: get a lot of snaps with this Arizona Cardinals defense

948
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: because that is a position room that needs to be

949
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: built from scratch in a lot of ways. What else

950
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: stood up from the whole Jonathan Gannon interview. We talked

951
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: about many anything else went on one with Gannon from

952
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: the podium even I mean, is he uh, you know,

953
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 2: did did anybody throw any you know, questions out of

954
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: left field and to go for the absurd with Jonathan Gannon?

955
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: No?

956
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: No, okay, that's good. That's good.

957
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: All right, No, that's probably good.

958
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: He what did he walk off the podium with? What

959
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 4: was asked?

960
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah that Bob mcmahonmon asked him who his top

961
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: the top three If he had to give a list

962
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: of his top three names, he'd want it for.

963
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: Who would they be okay, that's a question that'll never

964
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: be answered. What did Jonathan Gannon say.

965
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: I believe he said something along the lines of anybody

966
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: we draft, and he goes, got him.

967
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: Well. In later interviews he then well, Terry On Arnold

968
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: told the story there was a coach who said come

969
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: up and press me, jam me and then of course

970
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: that turned out but John Cannon right, yes, And then

971
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: Gannet went on to explain I believe on the Cardinals

972
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: Splaship radio station that he played the role of receiver

973
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: with some of the corners and then Nick Rollis played

974
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: offensive lineman with some of the d linemen and he

975
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: was sore the next morning. He took a few punches

976
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: to the mid section and uh yeah, he made not

977
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 2: a good need to go to the Blue Tent in Indianapolis.

978
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: Very interesting.

979
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

980
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: So, although it's funny when.

981
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: There engaging interviews when first.

982
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: Came out and said it and didn't say who, who

983
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 3: hap who it was, everybody just assumed it was Gannon.

984
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: I texted him later that day and I'm like, I'm

985
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: writing this story, like is it true? Was it you?

986
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: Was it somebody else? And he goes, no, it was me.

987
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: That's good. So By the way, I do have one

988
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: question the whole when you're there, do you actually see

989
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: agents talking with general managers? You know, that's always the

990
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: long held rumor that a lot of these deals get

991
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: done with the combine. Do you see the conversation without

992
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: naming names?

993
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: First of all, I know I can't remember I did

994
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: it this, and again they're all the combines blur. But yes,

995
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: I've seen agents talking to gms. However, you need to

996
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: understand and remember that a these agents have multiplayers, and

997
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 3: the agents are perfectly allowed to talk to a GM

998
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: about a player currently on the roster. West. So if

999
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: you happen to have a conversation with an agent about

1000
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: your current player, and then right before end, the guys like, yeah,

1001
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: I noticed you guys need this position. Well I happen

1002
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: to have a guy in the.

1003
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that works. That works. I just don't understand why

1004
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: they call it legal tampering.

1005
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: Well they don't, the league doesn't. That's what we all do.

1006
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like, why is it it just called like

1007
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: the negotiating and that's exactly what the league calls it.

1008
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: In fact, I feel like it was the last year

1009
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: or two where the league was kind of like stop

1010
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: calling it legal tampering.

1011
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Right, oh my god.

1012
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: But the reason it was put in was because those

1013
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: first couple of days before free everybody was tampering all

1014
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: over the place. So when they fixed it, quote unquote,

1015
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: it felt like they legalized the tampering right, because no,

1016
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 3: if I know the rules correctly, you can you can

1017
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: only talk to agents. You can't. So if a player

1018
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: doesn't have an agent, he cannot talk to teams, and

1019
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: you have to be talking to the representative. You can't

1020
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: talk to the player directly during that time. And the

1021
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: other thing is my understanding was you couldn't you couldn't

1022
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: fully negotiate the contract you like you could do like

1023
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: some general parameters. But so like when a guy ends up,

1024
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: like they announced the signing like ten minutes fifteen minutes, well,

1025
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: they always have done it, but ten minutes or fifteen

1026
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: minutes after one o'clock Arizona time on the first day

1027
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: of free agency, it's like, Okay, I'm pretty sure they

1028
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: must have done some major groundwork there.

1029
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. So all right, Well, and I guess

1030
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: we'd be remiss if we didn't mention the Russell Wilson

1031
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: and the eighty five million dollar dead cap hit taken

1032
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: by Denver. Hello, they need a rookie quarterback. There's really

1033
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: no other scenario other than sticking with Jared Stidham, and

1034
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that's a non starter for Sean Payton.

1035
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: I'm not ruling out that it's a non starter, but

1036
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm not ruling out I would still think they're gonna

1037
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: draft somebody, but I don't There are people that, especially

1038
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 3: where they're picking, there are people that aren't one hundred

1039
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: percent sure Peyton takes a quarterback if the rank win

1040
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: isn't there.

1041
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: Ben Denucci the backup in Denver right now, nice guy,

1042
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: good guy, He was nice.

1043
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: I spent more time talking with Tony Poller because he

1044
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: was playing a little bit more than Ben Naci Denucci.

1045
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: All right, the danuc All right, there we go. We'll

1046
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,880
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