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Speaker 1: of mine, we've been dissecting that word future literally the

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Speaker 1: past few weeks. We've been dissect be that word future

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Speaker 1: and future means um the time or a period of

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Speaker 1: time following speaking or writing. HM. We define our futures

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Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, because we know the future

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Speaker 1: to be as something to come, Like, oh, I can

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Speaker 1: define my future by what I'm speaking and by what

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Speaker 1: I'm writing. The past. If you look up the word past,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. The past is something that was

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Speaker 1: spoken or written. Now, how can I maybe read better

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Speaker 1: from my past? Start speaking better, start writing better, start

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Speaker 1: sewing better seeds, and your your future would be a

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Speaker 1: little brighter my thoughts, and I see it happening in

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Speaker 1: my life. Wow. T Nitra Michelle Weeves, she's on my show.

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Speaker 1: She's on my show. She's talking about a new book,

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Speaker 1: her first book in fact checking, in how getting real

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Speaker 1: about depression saved my life, meaning her and can save Yoursen.

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Speaker 1: That was a moment where she had to take control

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Speaker 1: of her life. And this is what this interview is

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Speaker 1: about taking control of your life and so many people

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Speaker 1: and you know what, I love that perspective, taking control

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Speaker 1: of my life because going on three years now, that's

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Speaker 1: what I've had to do. I didn't have anybody to

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Speaker 1: hold my hand. It was a decision that I made.

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Speaker 1: And Brushing, do you think it's a decision people make

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Speaker 1: They see treasure and pebbles. They see a windy path

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, i'l Roker here as a guy with his

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Speaker 1: and the ad Council. Well, I would tell you that

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Speaker 1: I found out who Sean McDonald was in his forties.

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Speaker 1: In my forties, you know when I really you know,

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Speaker 1: because I was just going through the process making money.

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Speaker 1: A lot of great decisions were being made in my

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Speaker 1: career for me or by me, or and but but

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Speaker 1: people to tell me I was successful, But I didn't

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Speaker 1: understand success. I didn't understand my gifts. And so my

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Speaker 1: whole thing now is that for the for your living,

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Speaker 1: your decision. So in my forice, I started living my

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Speaker 1: life as with Sean McDonald. I stopped using words like lucky,

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Speaker 1: right place at the right time, because your book talks

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Speaker 1: about that, and the beginning. You look at your book

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Speaker 1: talking about somebody made a phone call and you just

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Speaker 1: happen to get this. The word luck comes into play there,

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Speaker 1: and it's really not. Your gifts came into play there,

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Speaker 1: but you were not clearly understanding your gifts. They were

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Speaker 1: just it just it just pushed you in a certain

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Speaker 1: direction that the opportunity was tied to that to that moment.

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Speaker 1: And so now in my in my forties, I realized

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Speaker 1: that I'm not lucky, I'm gifted. God is giving me

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Speaker 1: all these gifts. Now you have to apply them properly.

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Speaker 1: And one of the person who achieved that foundation of me,

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Speaker 1: the resolution of understanding what words, was Steve Harvey. And

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Speaker 1: so because all those gifts were poured into his career

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Speaker 1: and allowed him to become the person and we both

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Speaker 1: benefited from that level of success. So when you say

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Speaker 1: it's it's a some people get it in eighteen. Some

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Speaker 1: people get from the sixteen have a clear understanding the direction.

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Speaker 1: All you're getting right now, Michelle, is an undis assessment

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Speaker 1: of yourself and what you want to do. That's what

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Speaker 1: you're doing right now. That's why it's important that we talk.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you because I owe you

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Speaker 1: a big hug. I owe you sit down and walk

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Speaker 1: in the park. Just just something normal, just a normal

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald talking to a normal Michelle to Nutra Michelle Williams,

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Speaker 1: that's what I want. Where are you based Atlanta? Okay,

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Speaker 1: well come on now, I'll owe your meal. We will

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Speaker 1: connect this week. Seriously. I literally I just became an

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Speaker 1: official Georgia resident. I got my license. Well you real,

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Speaker 1: then we won't connect because I got I bought a

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Speaker 1: building here. I believe me. We're going to talk because

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Speaker 1: I would love that because before we run out of time,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the book to it that

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Speaker 1: you're kind of coming up here. You know, the topics

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Speaker 1: ranging for all these celebrities or your book to the

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Speaker 1: story that made twenty eight you know Roger P. Hanson,

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Speaker 1: L Craze, that's my boy, Tina Loss and that's mc

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Speaker 1: girl Antonia Luckhead. Let's talk about this, uh, this book

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Speaker 1: to it just virtual to it that you're hosted. Correct, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a conversations with Michelle Williams. Um as it relates

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Speaker 1: to my book Checking In, and some of the topics

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Speaker 1: are identity, anxiety, depression, singleness. Um, and we've got some

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Speaker 1: great names. We've got Divon Franklin chand Lamore, Tabatha Brown.

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Speaker 1: She's gonna we're gonna be talking about what the topic

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be community, but she and I just

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Speaker 1: talked about so much her health and um like Taragi,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Lacrai, LaToya luck At, Tina Los Saint,

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Speaker 1: Chloe Bailey. Dr Caroline Leif who is a neural scientist

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Speaker 1: and can break stuff down. She is phenomenal. Dr India

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Speaker 1: Phillips as well, Um, some a great mixture of um,

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Speaker 1: you know, celebrities you know, given some practical advice. And

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Speaker 1: then we've got to we've got Dr India Phillips that's

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Speaker 1: a psychologist. And I named Dr Caroline Leaf as a neuroscientist, um,

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Speaker 1: who can also kind of scientifically, um, kind of breakdown

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Speaker 1: what the mind and brain goes through. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I am smiling. I am at you because

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Speaker 1: I am talking to I'm talking to you now, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to Nitra. I'm talking to a person. You know

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Speaker 1: the words. Nobody has written a song for you. Now,

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Speaker 1: nobody has told you a beat, nobody's told you a

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Speaker 1: chore at craft to move it in this conversation. And

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Speaker 1: I want these interviews. I want you to be you.

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Speaker 1: I want you to be to Nitra. I want you

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Speaker 1: to be that eighteen year old who wanted to go

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Speaker 1: to Illinois State, who wanted to major in criminal justice.

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Speaker 1: But they had this big old gift, this ability to sing.

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Speaker 1: And you will you and you will, and you will,

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Speaker 1: uh say not sure how to go because you're a

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Speaker 1: church girl and you had that second over there, that

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Speaker 1: second that you know, battling that so you always had

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Speaker 1: that battle. And so so what God has done for you, now,

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Speaker 1: this is what He's done for you. He's set you

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Speaker 1: on another path to be you. And these interviews Claude Bailey,

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Speaker 1: you know, j p hen to look craz These ain't

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Speaker 1: names you just throw out that people don't. I'm these people.

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Speaker 1: These people, they spend time with you, they love you,

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Speaker 1: they believe in and you know, Tarager Jess finished a

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Speaker 1: healing show for faith Facebook watch when we were talking

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Speaker 1: about people coming in. She just finished a healing show. Look,

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Speaker 1: Craze just came off that book Healing, Finding God, Understanding

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Speaker 1: Religion his Way, you know, And and so I just

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Speaker 1: look at all this divine. Frankly, we all know about him.

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Speaker 1: And Tamar Bractice interviewed her, and you know, so when

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Speaker 1: I look at you and this tour, I just see

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Speaker 1: the next step for you and what I want to

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Speaker 1: say to you, Michelle, be you, Be you girl, Be

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Speaker 1: the person I'm talking to right now. Be honest, uh

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Speaker 1: and lead us and lead these people. Don't be don't

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Speaker 1: don't be caught up, and they might be leading them

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Speaker 1: like I've been leading people for years. Sitting there telling

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Speaker 1: the truth. You are a leader, young lady. You are

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Speaker 1: talking the truth. Share your story and when you share

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Speaker 1: your story, people will listen. And when they listen, they

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Speaker 1: want to hear how they can be led and they

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Speaker 1: be led in a positive manner. You're you're so close

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Speaker 1: to what you want to be in life. Now, don't stop.

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Speaker 1: You're on the edge. You're looking, You're looking across the

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Speaker 1: mountain top. Go over it. Climate, That's all I'm saying

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Speaker 1: right now, Come on, come on, That's all I'm saying. Now.

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Speaker 1: When I go over, I'm gonna need to parachute. Don't

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Speaker 1: worry about it. Don't worry. It's gonna be so many

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Speaker 1: people waiting on you with their arms open, talking about

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Speaker 1: thank you, talking about I need you, talking about who

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Speaker 1: else you can help. It's gonna be so many people

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Speaker 1: waiting for this to need your Michelle Williams. This version

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Speaker 1: that you of life, this is your next version of life.

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Speaker 1: This is your conversion. This is I've lived many lives

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Speaker 1: in my and I've been for I'm living in another

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Speaker 1: path when I left, really living a life I wanted

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Speaker 1: to live when I was eighteen or twenty four. That's

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Speaker 1: when I'm living right now. And so I'm just telling

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Speaker 1: you right now, that eighteen year old kid, you're you're

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Speaker 1: living that life right now. And so what happens. I

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Speaker 1: always tell people between eighteen and twenty four, that's really

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Speaker 1: when you wanted to be, when you ambitious, when you

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Speaker 1: had dreams and that were different from other people. Now

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Speaker 1: you're living a life right now that will make that

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Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty four years work for you. Just leading

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Speaker 1: with honestly good yes, sir, yes, sir, yeah, leading with honesty,

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Speaker 1: leading with the ability to understand that you are great.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to take the time just to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. You are in Atlanta. We will connect. I'm

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Speaker 1: bringing buy the office when we're dinner because I got

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Speaker 1: a built in We're gonna desert you asking for all

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Speaker 1: that people to take photos. But more important, I got

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Speaker 1: a garden in the back. I got ocre back that

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Speaker 1: to maade Us, back that collar, green back, that all

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Speaker 1: that I need about seven pounds, don't worry about, don't

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Speaker 1: worry about when you leave. I'm gonna leave you and

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Speaker 1: leave with the cake. But Chell, first of all, I

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Speaker 1: want to wrap in this interview and just say I

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Speaker 1: am so blessed to talk to you now this version.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, don't get me wrong. You always

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Speaker 1: be one of my favorite people. But to hear you

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Speaker 1: talking to where you're talking now as t Nitra, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. The blessings are gonna

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Speaker 1: be just over. So go to that mountaintop. When you

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Speaker 1: look over, I swear to you, it's gonna be so

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Speaker 1: many people are gonna make you cry, and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: slide down out here because you're gonna have to. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna to part the ways, They're gonna go what what

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Speaker 1: took you so long? Where it took me for the

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Speaker 1: one year? But I'm here, y'all, I'm here, y'all. Come on, Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you Michelle coming on Tunitra, Michelle Williams

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Speaker 1: for coming on Money Making Conversation. Thank you, Thank you

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