WEBVTT - The Fixer: Lou Blonger

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaren Elizabeth Saren. Do you know I am going to

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<v Speaker 2>start being early everywhere? Yeah. I got here twenty minutes early.

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<v Speaker 3>Life changing idly. So you actually showed up somewhere early.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the rest of my life early everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh nice. You know I was raised by Navy people

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<v Speaker 3>and they beat that into me. So yeah, like you do.

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<v Speaker 4>The goal is you don't try to show up at

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<v Speaker 4>the time. You try to show up like five minutes,

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<v Speaker 4>ten minutes before. Can you make that the goal to

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<v Speaker 4>aim at? Because if you try to show up at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, like you s have to be somewhere too.

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<v Speaker 4>You try to show up at two? No, you miss

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<v Speaker 4>your I.

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<v Speaker 2>Went to Catholic school, man, I usually show up everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're usually very tame minutes early. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 3>just very very busy these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Things, you know, you start to think like what does

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<v Speaker 2>anything matter?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, also you have your your succulent fan club meetings.

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<v Speaker 4>There's that You're British tea cozy mystery meetings.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, yeah, those two.

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<v Speaker 3>Your social life is getting busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a busy on the go lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw this story and I thought of you minor

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<v Speaker 4>league baseball. Yeah, because your your team is now playing

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<v Speaker 4>in a minor league ballpark.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a team.

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<v Speaker 4>Your former team, the A's, are playing in Sacramento's minor

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<v Speaker 4>league ballparks. So I was thinking about minor league baseball

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<v Speaker 4>and you and you see these two guys here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's two different guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Their names are Brad Figel. They're both named Brad Figel.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Figel f E I g L Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm pressing that wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, one is a minor league ball player for

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<v Speaker 4>the Long Island Ducks. Another one is a ballplayer for

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<v Speaker 4>the Las Vegas Aviators. Oh okay, yeah right. So they're both,

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<v Speaker 4>as they said, ball players in minor league. But they're

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<v Speaker 4>both pitchers. They play the same position, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were and they're both named Brad Figels.

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<v Speaker 3>And they look they look exactly the same, identical. So

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<v Speaker 3>they have the same doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>They both got Tommy John surgery, and their doctor confused

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<v Speaker 4>them and thought like, oh, because they had the same name's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what are you talking about? Man? They did this?

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<v Speaker 3>How did you undo the surgery? And then that's when

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<v Speaker 3>they realized, wait, there's another Brad Figel.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that work?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So then when they find out about each other, they

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<v Speaker 4>went and actually took DNA test to see if they

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<v Speaker 4>were related, like maybe dad was.

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<v Speaker 3>A traveling man.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, right, so yeah, it was like a kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a hard to explain, uh mystery. But it turns

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<v Speaker 4>out that they were not and uh they're not related.

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<v Speaker 4>They were not separated at birth. The DNA showed no

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<v Speaker 4>biological connection. They just happened to have a really strong

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<v Speaker 4>gene expression for the Figyl genes, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Name exactly, and they have the same First I want

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<v Speaker 2>to I want to retest.

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<v Speaker 3>That is very so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That's weird, ridiculous. Do you want to know what else

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous? Oh my god, I'd love to bunco. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 2>and cons. It is always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you damn right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I am in my family, I'm known as the fixer.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, the wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>That too, Like someone has an issue, like I'm called

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<v Speaker 2>into repair things, solve everything and it's a lot of pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>But like hot diggity dog, I'm good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, you really are.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be something like mundane like travel stuff, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe like someone's having a meltdown and they're stuck in

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<v Speaker 2>an unfamiliar city, or yeah, negotiations need to happen and

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<v Speaker 2>I can get everyone to agree.

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<v Speaker 3>That is true. Yeah, you always ask the central question,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What what remedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see? Say it?

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<v Speaker 2>But from what you've told me, you play that role

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<v Speaker 2>in your family too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was a much more of a blunt approach,

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<v Speaker 3>much more of like, look, this is what's happening. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>pay for you to shut up, you know, like that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stuff that's fixing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a fixer for you today. This one takes

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<v Speaker 2>place in the wild West.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of like a lot of the Old West.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of like we like wild West.

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<v Speaker 3>I love him.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one for you today is full of characters,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to dive right into it. Bro getting

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<v Speaker 2>right in. I'm talking today about lou.

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<v Speaker 6>Blander lou Blannger, lou Blanger rhymes lou Blanger.

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<v Speaker 3>Did get lost.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds it sounds like a name. I'd make it.

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<v Speaker 3>To my friend Lou Blancher.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real name. He was born in Vermont in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen forty nine. He was the eighth of thirteen children.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, the blonders. They liked.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad French Canadian Stonemason.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I called the French Canadian named.

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<v Speaker 2>Simon peter be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>His mom was from Ireland. When Lou was five, the

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<v Speaker 2>family moved from Vermont to Wisconsin. They went to a

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<v Speaker 2>place called Sholsburg.

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<v Speaker 3>Like to keep it wooded.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, they're out in them parts. They mind lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and they made cheese.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh the Rocky mountain area.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the rocky Mountains of wiscons.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, not the actual rock the rocky in the mountainous area.

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<v Speaker 2>The village that they moved to, this Sholsburg, that had

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<v Speaker 2>only been around for like thirty years when they moved there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, opportunity, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lou's mom, Well, aren't all the towns new back?

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<v Speaker 3>And then really at.

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<v Speaker 2>Some point every town is new.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean really, then it's like all the times,

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<v Speaker 4>like way were celebrating our twenty the anniversary.

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoy the lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Lou's mom passed when he was ten, Okay, and don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget he had five younger siblings. Oh man, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough times, right, what a life she had popped out

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen kids, Lou he moved in with his older sister

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<v Speaker 2>and her family, and then he changed his name, and

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<v Speaker 2>his brothers had already done this. They anglicized and like

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<v Speaker 2>simplified their last names from Belange Tolinger.

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<v Speaker 3>Try again, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm guessing that they just made the spelling match

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<v Speaker 2>the way that people were already saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Blinger okay, yeah, because they look at it and they're like, oh, yeah, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Pronunciation was probably more common when they were in Vermont,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, not so in Wisconsin. So since things seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to happen every five years for Lou at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>when he was a hair short of fifteen, he and

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<v Speaker 2>his brothers joined up with the Union Army to fight

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<v Speaker 2>in the Civil War, and so he put in for

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<v Speaker 2>a one hundred day enlistment, which was I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>common for younger boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I don't know, yeah, and then extended.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So they assigned him to play the fife keep

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in time while they battled the traders. Eight days

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<v Speaker 2>in he fell down and hurt his leg. Eight days,

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<v Speaker 2>eight days, and he spent the rest of the tour

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<v Speaker 2>in an army hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>Seriously pothole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, or maybe he did, and he just milked

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<v Speaker 2>it like it was like this fify. Yeah right, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, okay, all well, war ends. He meets up

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<v Speaker 2>with his twenty five year old brother Sam. Sam hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>served in the war. He was out west. He was

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<v Speaker 2>just out there being rugged. So he did like minor

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine er stuff in Colorado. He drove wagons through

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<v Speaker 2>the Sierra Nevada.

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<v Speaker 3>Reco the mid eighteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Now yeah, okay, yeah, just after the so he was

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<v Speaker 2>there for the war totally. Sam had come back to

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin to visit the family. Lou was living with a

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<v Speaker 2>pal of his. Sam sweeps into town, he wooed and

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<v Speaker 2>then married Lou's pal's sister. Okay, and then he also

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<v Speaker 2>sent Lou off to go to college in Chicago at

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<v Speaker 2>a business college, and then off he goes. So he

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<v Speaker 2>just likes wow, cezes through. Five years later, Sam and

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<v Speaker 2>Lou and then lose pal and his family. They all

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<v Speaker 2>headed west. The railroad's hum and now so that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like travel was easier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't have to take your life in your hands. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So they made their way to Utah and they hit

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<v Speaker 2>up a bunch of mining towns. In each of them

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<v Speaker 2>they would either like set up or buy a saloon.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're from a mining town, so they know mining

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<v Speaker 3>town call, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Know mining people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah we should sell drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we need to have a saloon. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to establish some sort of vice trade here.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, I hate a cover.

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<v Speaker 2>They do a little mining themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>A little prospect might get lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>They might get deputized.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you know the usual.

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<v Speaker 2>They did this all over the West.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, we run the vice out here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, Utah to Nevada, to California and back. In

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventy nine, Lou moved to Colorado. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>think about that time in the US and the Western States,

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<v Speaker 2>everything seems so transient, so like so many people made

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<v Speaker 2>their way out there, and they were often running from

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<v Speaker 2>something or running too and imagined no one was really tethered,

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<v Speaker 2>and like everything must have seemed really temporary.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so common to read about people who bounced around,

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<v Speaker 2>chasing opportunities or like looking for good fits until finally

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<v Speaker 2>finding a place. But then you look at places like

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<v Speaker 2>the South, and that's just not the case.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, completely, even a lot of the Midwest that's

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<v Speaker 4>considered the South, but West the same thing exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I feel like the subsequent crimes of those

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<v Speaker 2>times reflected, oh good points, Like there's a much much

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<v Speaker 2>more of like an embedded nefarious storytelling in southern cons

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<v Speaker 2>of the era. It's more subtle and paste and not

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<v Speaker 2>like as brazen and audacious fraudsters and scammers and con

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<v Speaker 2>artists in the West. They were dealing with people who

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<v Speaker 2>almost had this sense of mania, right, and like they

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<v Speaker 2>could be looser and grander with their claims and their stories.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a lot more suckers if you're just running out

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<v Speaker 4>to get gold on the West. You know, you're somebody

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<v Speaker 4>who's already shown people that you will be happy to

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<v Speaker 4>cross and do arduous task, simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Gain and magical thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And just pull, you know, gold from the roofs. I

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<v Speaker 2>may be off of, but you know, if I am

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<v Speaker 2>keeping to yourself, Yeah, anyway, thank you. Eighteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 2>Lou found himself in Georgetown, Colorado, that's just west of Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he was there, he ran a theater that

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<v Speaker 2>put on vaudeville shows, and pretty soon the other Blonder

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<v Speaker 2>brothers started descending on the town. Simon, the oldest of

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<v Speaker 2>the kids. He got a gig, is superintendent at the

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<v Speaker 2>Robert E. Lee Mine, which is curious naming Marvin the youngest.

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<v Speaker 2>He worked there too, So this is a big spread.

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<v Speaker 2>No sooner had this gang of blonders reunited than Lou

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<v Speaker 2>and Sam hit the road like we're out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>They're scratching that itch. Maybe they're running from something.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's run tight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those two are best buds. There's ten years between

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<v Speaker 2>them that they're very close, so.

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<v Speaker 3>They would have been similar or at least, you know, very.

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<v Speaker 2>Very similar in personalities. They went off to New Albuquerque,

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Albuquerque. It was a little railroad

0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.000
<v Speaker 2>junction that would eventually merge with regular It's called out

0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:19.640
<v Speaker 2>so it would it becomes today, like what's downtown Albuquerque

0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.640
<v Speaker 2>different than old town. Back then it was like the

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<v Speaker 2>up and comer. It's the railroad spot, all these new businesses.

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<v Speaker 3>We should have settled here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So Lou and Sam they get there and they

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<v Speaker 2>like really quickly ensconced themselves. In eighteen eighty two, Sam

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<v Speaker 2>was appointed Marshal of New Albuquerque. He turned around and

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<v Speaker 2>then immediately deputized Lou.

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<v Speaker 3>Good call.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the two of them, they fought crime. They

0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:51.480
<v Speaker 2>took down bad guys. That's well. They also dipped into

0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the vices, well, apparently opening a brothel, you know, cop stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>In April of eighteen eighty two, Sam had to head

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<v Speaker 2>out of town to Denver for a bit. He's like

0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.160
<v Speaker 2>doing some sort of mining deal. So yeah, so he

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<v Speaker 2>left Low in charge. Zarin, close your eyes. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to picture it. Hell yeah, It's April fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty two. You are on a train from Tucson

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<v Speaker 2>headed to Albuquerque, New Mexico. Things got hot for you

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<v Speaker 2>in Tucson a few days back. You and your associates

0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.560
<v Speaker 2>got into a little trouble, caused a little trouble. You

0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.600
<v Speaker 2>were seeking revenge, but that doesn't matter. Crime is a crime.

0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.839
<v Speaker 2>A murder's a murder. It's morning and you can see

0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the New Albuquerque station in the distance. You sit across

0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.400
<v Speaker 2>from your closest friend, your brother at your side, four

0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.800
<v Speaker 2>others in the seats behind you. You're hoping to outrun

0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a state police posse that's after you. If you can

0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.000
<v Speaker 2>get somewhere quiet with some cover, there may be time

0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.240
<v Speaker 2>for the governor to negotiate a pardon for you and

0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.040
<v Speaker 2>your boys, or, more likely, you can regroup and try

0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.720
<v Speaker 2>and make it to Colorado. Your friend slowly, repeatedly flips

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<v Speaker 2>a silver dollar coin into the air with his thumb

0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.520
<v Speaker 2>as he stares out the window. The sound dances back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth with the chug of the car on the

0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.360
<v Speaker 2>rails and the occasional baleful whistle of the train. Oh

0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I should mention you're wyat er you and you're a

0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.800
<v Speaker 2>vendetta posse as you've been dubbed. Are on the run

0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.920
<v Speaker 2>after avenging your brother Morgan's murder and the naming of

0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.040
<v Speaker 2>your brother Virgil too. Oh yeah, you're on what they're

0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.800
<v Speaker 2>calling the IRP vendetta ride. You're trying to get to

0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Albuquerque because you understand that if you give interviews to

0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the paper there, they'll keep it quiet that you're in

0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.320
<v Speaker 2>town and they won't publish until after you're gone. It's

0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.720
<v Speaker 2>a deal, you'll take. The train has reached the depot.

0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.200
<v Speaker 2>The brakes let out a mighty squeal. The sound of

0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.880
<v Speaker 2>steam hisses alongside the cars and onto the platform at

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<v Speaker 2>the station. What's the Walt Whitman column, You think, the

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<v Speaker 2>one where he's totally describing a train as a man's

0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.880
<v Speaker 2>dingus is shaf as Pecker. That's right to a locomotive

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<v Speaker 2>in winter, type of the modern emblem of motion and

0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:11.640
<v Speaker 2>power pulse of the continent. He wrote that that's the train,

0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.760
<v Speaker 2>all right. When the engine has finally halted, you and

0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.240
<v Speaker 2>your posse stand and make your way to the doors.

0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The station's empty, not many people on this early train.

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<v Speaker 2>You walk through the platform and into the station building. There,

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<v Speaker 2>just inside it stands a man. He's got a full nose,

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<v Speaker 2>powerful like a potato, and a big bushy mustache turned

0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.280
<v Speaker 2>up at the edges like your pile. Doc. He stands

0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.720
<v Speaker 2>beside you, still flipping that silver piece. The man in

0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.440
<v Speaker 2>front of you is also wearing a uniform and the

0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.920
<v Speaker 2>gold star of a Marshal's deputy, lou Blander. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>Acting Marshal of New Albuquerque, Your men slowly lift their

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<v Speaker 2>right hands from their sides to the holsters concealed under

0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.400
<v Speaker 2>their coats on their belts. You lift a hands, stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>You recognize this man. You played poker with him some

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<v Speaker 2>ten years ago in Dodge City. So you remember me,

0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.880
<v Speaker 2>he says to you. You nod? You boys, Come with me,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, as he turns and heads for the exit.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a place for you to bunk down, he

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<v Speaker 2>says over his shoulder. You'll be taken care of the

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<v Speaker 2>editor of the paper, he said, he'd like to see

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<v Speaker 2>you this afternoon. My brother Sam, he's the marshall and

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<v Speaker 2>he'll be back next week. We know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>to take care of family. You shoot a look at

0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.160
<v Speaker 2>your brother. Warren gives you a slight nod. Lou turns

0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.040
<v Speaker 2>and faces you out on the street in the glowing

0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.680
<v Speaker 2>light of the morning. Don't you boys worry, he says,

0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.400
<v Speaker 2>tipping his head towards your group. Like I said, we'll

0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.120
<v Speaker 2>take care of you here. People keep their traps shut

0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.520
<v Speaker 2>here in New Albuquerque if and we tells them to.

0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.880
<v Speaker 2>You follow him down the raised wooden sidewalk. You look

0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.720
<v Speaker 2>over at Doc and he raises an eyebrow to you. This,

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<v Speaker 2>Lou is all.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, yeah, oh man, I know you enjoy that does

0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.239
<v Speaker 5>better in tombstone indible.

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<v Speaker 2>So the IRB posse. They left about a week later,

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't long before Sam lost his job as

0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Marshall well off on another land deal. But it didn't

0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.520
<v Speaker 2>matter because Lou and Sam they went their separate ways

0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.400
<v Speaker 2>and kept driving in that way that people did in

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<v Speaker 2>the old way, you know, like lose. Lou's drifting wouldn't

0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.840
<v Speaker 2>last long. He would meet up with Sam again. Of course,

0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.480
<v Speaker 2>they would start a whole new venture. Let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 3>How hard it is to run into your brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in like the middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not that many towns you're going around. You're like, oh,

0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.520
<v Speaker 4>I'll just go over this town, over the hill.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you reach each other if you don't know

0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.800
<v Speaker 2>where you've got. It's not like oh, I can send

0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.680
<v Speaker 2>a telegram and like, yeah, let's take a break and

0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.600
<v Speaker 2>think about that. When we get back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>hit the next stop on the Blonder Tour and get

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<v Speaker 2>into some actual crime aside from harboring a fugitive.

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<v Speaker 3>Zaren Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>How about them ads?

0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, so good. I gotta put my wallet away.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, but I'm really glad that

0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I listened to him. I feel like I'm a better

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<v Speaker 2>person for it.

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<v Speaker 6>Probably doesn't take munch, but yeah, it's now inflamed Lou Blanger,

0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.800
<v Speaker 6>he was drifting around the Southwest.

0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:40.600
<v Speaker 2>He even headed out to San Bernardino Old Burdou eighteen

0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.439
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight. He arrived in Denver and so did his

0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:50.000
<v Speaker 2>brother Sam. Reunited and it felt so good. They got

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<v Speaker 2>to work setting up enterprises on both sides of the law.

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<v Speaker 2>So they opened saloons and they opened gambling parlors. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember who else had gambling halls and saloons in

0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Denver at this smith? Soapy Smith.

0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:05.560
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>They were swindling the good folks of Denver at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time. Yes, so Soapy he ran the Tivoli saloon

0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and gambling hall.

0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.199
<v Speaker 3>And he was from the South, so that maybe that

0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Robert E. Lee Mine suggests there's a lot more people

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<v Speaker 3>from the South who thought, oh, we can all make

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<v Speaker 3>a ride in Colorado.

0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, and they should have left that behind, so

0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't name things, okay. Anyway, Lou and Sam they

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<v Speaker 2>owned the Elite Saloon on Stout Street, and the place

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.400
<v Speaker 2>was over the top, like super rich, dark wood frescoes

0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 2>on the Elite so luxurious, and.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking like Art Nouveau style picture, yes, very yeah,

0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.440
<v Speaker 4>and also ornate and so.

0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.040
<v Speaker 2>This saloon they had all manner of like poker and

0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.879
<v Speaker 2>farrow tables, and they also really fell I don't know,

0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:03.119
<v Speaker 2>let's open a parlor. Why not. They also ran something

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.680
<v Speaker 2>that we've talked about a number of times on this show.

0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Numbers games illegal lotteries.

0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.240
<v Speaker 2>So in some of our tales that racket was just

0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.560
<v Speaker 2>for neighborhood folks or for like Rube prospectors in Denver

0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.360
<v Speaker 2>in the late eighteen hundreds, it was aimed at tourists.

0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.640
<v Speaker 2>So like, just like Soapy and his scambars are Soap

0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:28.040
<v Speaker 2>filled with supposed cash. So the Blonders their policy racket,

0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the numbers game played into people's gambling addictions. They made

0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:36.879
<v Speaker 2>it way too irresistible. But make no mistake, well they

0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 2>would just juice numbers and like tease people in. When

0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Lou and Sam got to town, Soapi was the one

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.400
<v Speaker 2>running the joint. He ran the town. Denver had become

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.879
<v Speaker 2>known as a place conducive to running scams with like

0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.240
<v Speaker 2>little or no interference from the funds, and Soapy made

0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.600
<v Speaker 2>sure of that. So on top of the gambling and

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.479
<v Speaker 2>the vice, Soapy and the city fathers they had this

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.919
<v Speaker 2>whole protection racket going keeping the other crimers in line,

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.320
<v Speaker 2>So the Planders and Soapi they had somewhat of like

0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 2>an agreement.

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:10.879
<v Speaker 3>Of course they have to.

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.679
<v Speaker 2>They tussle over territory or like the share of the

0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.280
<v Speaker 2>roobs on the street, but generally they kept a good time.

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.440
<v Speaker 4>Like when deliveries came into town, they'd be like, I'm

0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:19.879
<v Speaker 4>gonna get my portion that kind of stuff.

0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, You're like, you know, you're pulling too many of

0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.920
<v Speaker 2>these people off the street, you know, two blocks over, Oh,

0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 2>into your parlor. Your cut them off before they get here, right.

0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.800
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't really get into it in the Soapie

0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Smith episode, but about a year after that failed takeover

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.879
<v Speaker 2>of city Hall that he had, Soapy absolutely wrecked shop

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 2>on all the other saloons in the entertainment district. It

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>was like eighteen ninety five. He's drunk as a skunk

0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.919
<v Speaker 2>and he's like just tearing through he realizes like physical,

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.720
<v Speaker 2>physically damaging these He's in the middle of smashing up

0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the elite saloon Lew and Sam's play. It's when the

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.920
<v Speaker 2>cops finally caught up to him and hauled him away,

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.919
<v Speaker 2>and like, Soapy is lucky that the cops showed up

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.920
<v Speaker 2>because Lou was behind the bar with a shotgun trained

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.560
<v Speaker 2>on Soapi and like about to unload. So it was

0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 2>actually this drunken rampage that was the wake up call

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 2>for Soapy and imagine for Denver, well not really so

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.119
<v Speaker 2>like Soapi's his rebellion had been squashed. He was like,

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.160
<v Speaker 2>no longer really running the Denver streets the way you can,

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.439
<v Speaker 2>and so he that's when he pulled up stakes and

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 2>went to Alaska.

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, I want to be epic there instead.

0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.800
<v Speaker 2>So Lou was like, I see a void, I shall

0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.720
<v Speaker 2>fill it. Lou Blonder now running Denver, he took over.

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.880
<v Speaker 2>So with Denver on lock, Lou and Sam they decided

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.320
<v Speaker 2>to diversify their interests and go back into mining. Okay,

0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.400
<v Speaker 2>so it's the ultimate Yeah, it's like the ultimate draw

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.439
<v Speaker 2>for a gambler, I'd imagine, because there's the possibility of

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.439
<v Speaker 2>striking at mega rich. Yeah, and you can look like

0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a hero, a wise man.

0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.199
<v Speaker 4>You know when you find it, and is luck somewhat,

0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 4>But it's also a little bit of work, A.

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Little bit of work. Yeah maybe track.

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're also God's favorite. It's all like, hey too,

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:11.359
<v Speaker 3>there's that too.

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen ninety two, Sam and Lou. They found the Forest Queen.

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 3>It's not some queen, not some.

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Byroness, mythical creek.

0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I just ask that sounds It was a.

0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Gold mine, a right by Cripple Creek, not Robbie Robertson's

0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.679
<v Speaker 2>fictional Cripple Creek chronicled in the eponymous song by the

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 2>band Oh Okay. Now this was a real place, and

0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe the one from the song too, but in the

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:34.920
<v Speaker 2>song it's near the Gulf of Mexico.

0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:36.560
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's what I was wondering.

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Cripple Creek, Colorado. The brothers found this gold mine.

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 2>They named it the Forest Queen. They put it to work,

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>and the one of the work though, is like reeling

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 2>an investors, That's what I imagine.

0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:53.360
<v Speaker 2>So they got like judges, das certificates. Yeah. J W.

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.439
<v Speaker 2>McCullough he owned Green River Whiskey. He put up twenty

0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 2>barrels of the good stuff in exchange for a stake

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.360
<v Speaker 2>in the mind. So now that you've got the saloon.

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Stock, it's like booze equity.

0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:07.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the mine it really did produce, though, It

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.560
<v Speaker 2>turned out serious loads and they were like serious profits.

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 2>So you take the money they're making and their influential

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and straight arrow business partners and the blonders, they're getting

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 2>like serious power in the area.

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.159
<v Speaker 3>They're basically early bootleggers.

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but yeah, so they're doing this is completely on

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the up and up, and they're making all these influential

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 2>people a lot of money.

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Empire is a great way to get rich. Yeah.

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lou moved his center of operations from the Elite

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 2>saloon to the American National Bank building, so he's like,

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>in an actual offer, he wanted to look less like

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>a gambling hall proprietor more like someone interested in the

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.119
<v Speaker 2>mineral rights in places. This is a new era, though,

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 2>it's the era of the Bunco ring. For let's talk

0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Bunco for a second. You mentioned it recently when you

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 2>were talking about Bob Nygard and the National Association.

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Of Bunco Investigations.

0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.159
<v Speaker 2>So Bunko is technically a dice game, but when we

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about it here, we're talking about a type of

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 2>criminal swindle or confidence game. A Bunco schemes like a

0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>street game basically. Yeah, and the dedicated detectives who investigate

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 2>as the Bunco squad. Why do we call it bunco?

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>It comes from the Spanish word banco oh, meaning bank.

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Basically schemes where con artists exploit a person's trust, their

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 2>greed fake. We talk a lot of bunco around these parties.

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen o four, we're sick in the Buncos, the bunk bunks.

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Lou and his gang they joined forces with this other

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 2>con artist ring leader named Adolph Duff of Duff Beer.

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I was just about saying, the founder of not Beer

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 3>in the Simpsons.

0:24:55.320 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so Lou picks up Adolph Duff. Lou had Adolph

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>run the street level bunko stuff. Okay, so like staffing

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the cons, setting up the fake gambling dens and such,

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and like maybe buying and approving all the costumes and wigs.

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 3>Got a big.

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 2>One the Bunco though, the Bunco strang.

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 4>So we're thinking like like the staying where they're doing

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 4>like the big store type of scam.

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that's what that's This one is like their

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.199
<v Speaker 2>greatest hits. One is called the Rag and it's a

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:34.400
<v Speaker 2>fake stock exchange. So Lilda's crew they pulled this in

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Denver in the summertime, but then in the winter they

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>moved it to like Florida, California, Cuba.

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 3>What's where the money would be in the winter wintering

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 3>in the.

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 2>So you start with the store and that's the fake

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 2>stock exchange or in some cases a betting parlor. It's

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>kitted out like some sort of movie sets. So there

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 2>are connected rooms, props like a desk, phone like boards

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 2>with stock prices on tick or tape, guys yelling by

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>so sell buy. It's basically the same as you said

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>as the Sting, the movie Sting, except instead of off

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:13.199
<v Speaker 2>track betting, it's a stock exchange. And the Sting was

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.719
<v Speaker 2>actually based on another set of real life brothers Fred

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and Charlie Gondorf.

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Look into that we do. So they were doing a

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 3>fake stock with I imagine telegraph reporting.

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, yes. So you have the store and then

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you have the look out upstairs. That's like the business office.

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 2>The manager works up there coordinating the guys on the street,

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>and then the guys on the street who pulled people

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 2>in are called the ropers, and they would bring in

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the marks, the suckers, and those were tourists because like

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to hit locals.

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 3>It's too risky. They know where you can live, but

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 3>they can find out where you are.

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly, and they spread the word. The roper

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>befriends the mark, steers them toward the operation, and the

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 2>mark is told, okay, I've got this like can't miss

0:26:56.320 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 2>investment opportunity, and someone gave me in side info on

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>stocks is about the skyrocket, right.

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 3>So the also all the mining stocks would suddenly break.

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 4>People would see like, oh this load hit or you

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 4>know whatever, the comstock load.

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.880
<v Speaker 3>All people who held stock in that were suddenly.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Millionaires and you're in the epicenter.

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 4>So it was very much like their dot com boom

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 4>or their whatever in terms of an equivalent overnight billionaires,

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 4>millionaireffs and such.

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>So the roper is like, look, come check it out

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>with me, like I'm your new pal. Let's let let's

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.719
<v Speaker 2>get in MS. Let's see if it's legit totally and

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.639
<v Speaker 2>so sometimes the roper would pretend to be totally skeptical

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 2>at first and then be convinced by the legitimacy of

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the operations. So first things.

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 4>First, the market, and also he can kind of erode

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:47.199
<v Speaker 4>the the skepticism of the mark by being basically in

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 4>front of them by being like, oh yeah, asking tougher questions,

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 4>and then when they eventually you're convinced, it's like, well,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 4>why am I.

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Still being resistant? I was less resistant than him before.

0:27:55.720 --> 0:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Right, right. So they get the mark to invest in

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 2>a hot stock and they show them the trades that

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are happening in real time, and when they buy, they're

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>shown immediate returns, like the prices rise, the ticker suddenly

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 2>shows a profit. The clerks are confirming it maximum stokage

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:20.360
<v Speaker 2>in the air. People love making money, and then when

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 2>they're greed pops in, it overrides any doubts they may

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>have had, you know, suddenly, oh this is totally yeah,

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 2>this is worth it. So they're encouraged by their early

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>gains they want to invest more. Sometimes they get fake

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>dividends or like partial payouts to further hook them in

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and like, but you know what, you know what that

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>smell is a turn? A turn is coming. So once

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the Mark's in deep serious investments, the stock suddenly quote

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>crashes or the office is just empty, like they have

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 2>r u n n o ft they're gone and places

0:28:55.160 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Places was so lou so, like he went all out

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>on the scam. He had actors posing his brokers, Bunko

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>ring members posing his fellow investors. Yes, super realistic fake

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>stock tickers, telegraphs supposedly sending real time data. Remember Soapy's

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 2>fake telegraph offices. Scot a town with no telegraph was

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 2>one of those units. My first telegraph from play school.

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>So if they're going to pull this off, they had

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to go all in, like the best SNL hosts, all in,

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>no holding back. So the environment was like super realistic,

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>super convincing. Absolutely, everyone from the receptionist to the stockbrokers

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 2>is in on the scam. Sweaty stress, and it's like

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 2>a little cottage industry of its own.

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 3>It's like total economy.

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a theme park basically that they create. Every single

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>outcome has to be controlled, so they have to have

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>total handle on prices, and of course because it's all theater,

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that's easy. But the most important thing is timing. Timing

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>is everything, So like you need to make sure that

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>you're that when these reports are coming in, or you

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>you've fully isolated this mark that you're getting them at

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the right time.

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and the tickers going off and the people know

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 4>you'd be excited or to do the buy or the

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 4>sell or whatever.

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>You can't let anyone else get in their ear. Yeah,

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 2>so they have to be totally like pulled aside, isolated.

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh that you have to be the only source of

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 2>information or opinions. Yes, so like no contact with legit

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>brokers or voices of reason.

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 4>And back then it was a much easier because they're

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 4>out there in the middle of the West. Essentially the

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 4>telegram is the only connection to.

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Back east, well and the SEC.

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 3>And then you got the.

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Bank people in town telling them like, oh, yes, we're

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 4>doing this blah blah blah.

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>But there wasn't the regulation, like you didn't get the

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>SEC to like the thirties.

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, totally.

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 4>And some guy with basically a suit in some sideburns

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 4>is going to be believable, especially he's got like, you know,

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 4>a three pieces.

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and the scene and yeah, yeah so there

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>are and people weren't investors, weren't educated like you know.

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>So this said is the core techniques, this illusion of legitimacy,

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the fake platform, social engineering. Those still exist in online

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>investment scams, pump and dumps, fraudulent crypto schemes.

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Crypto is a huge area for this.

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>So Bey and Lou would have loved crypto.

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, they'd lose their minds over crypto.

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I still don't totally understand.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Unregulated like money, you got all these suckers trying.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 3>To buy on the idea worth more tomorrow.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't quite get it. And so but if someone

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>were to try and explain it to me, I would

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, sure, it's like like the scam Milonia

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 2>trump coin, yes and all those like what are a

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>conse con exactly? I don't I don't get it.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 3>But whatever, can I tell you? Give me your money.

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be worth more tomorrow, no matter what that is. Okay, Yeah,

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 3>so that's a scam.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Over over a decade, Lou and the Bunko ring, they

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>swindled millions from wealthy businessman, tourist, speculators like anyone coming

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>through town. Only twice in nearly two decades did Blonder

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>almost get arrested?

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Really almost? Do you not pay off the right people?

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I know? Nineteen ten they tried to get him in

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>connection with the scammering in.

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Iowa nineteen ten.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 4>Things start changing because you have like enough you go

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 4>through the eighteen nineties and people just kept getting ripped off,

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 4>and then you get into the you basically flip over

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 4>to the next century. Before right before World War One,

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 4>you have this push for like we need to do

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 4>banking regulations, we cannot have this and that, and also

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 4>does all the patent medicine. The two were kind of

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.239
<v Speaker 4>running neck and neck. People were dying and losing all

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 4>their money.

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>He was able to though, because it was in Iowa,

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>he was able to be like, that has nothing to do.

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen fifteen, he had workers in his office doing a

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>remodel and they figured out what was going on in there,

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and they tried to rat them out, but he got

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 2>out unscathed because he owns everybody.

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 4>So wait, he hired a bunch of like basically like

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 4>house counters to get carpenters to come in and like

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 4>build him a Bunco lab.

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 2>No, like, we're like redo his but then they like

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>stuff and they saw things, and they're like, we're going

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>to the cops, and the cops are like, no, you're not.

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>So he's a friend of the family exactly so Sam.

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 2>He passed away in nineteen fourteen, but the Bunko Ring

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>only continued to grow, lose power and fortune just swelled

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>he started wintering in Hot Springs, Arkansas. He hung out

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>there with an old pal of his, none other than

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Alan Pinkerton, what president of the Pinkerton Detective.

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 3>The founder of the Pinkerton.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>And they were like BFFs that Hot Spring.

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Not a nice person, No, not at all.

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So things are going.

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 4>Swimming like ankles deep in water with Alan Pinkerton talking

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 4>about like all the people you've.

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Con bus Yeah, things things were going swimmingly at the

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Hot Springs, but then they weren't. Let's take a break,

0:33:50.480 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>well we return more bunco zaren great ads ten out

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>of ten, no notes unless there were some problematic ones

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:20.280
<v Speaker 2>in there, And then.

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 3>I say, boom, I just had post it notes of

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 3>like more ads.

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>More more Bye bye Blue rhymes with conjure. I have

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>to keep telling myself that longer blonder. There are a

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:40.280
<v Speaker 2>lot there's as an aside, there's this whole website about

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the Blonder Brothers.

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 6>Really yeah, and it's called dot com.

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Lauder Brothers dot com. And they have a like thing

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>about the pronunciation that's not really helpful. Well, they're like

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you could say like this, you could say, But then

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I found a lot of places where they said blonder

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>like conjure. So I'm going with that multiple places blonder. Okay,

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>So these dudes, they were fleecing so many people. Dude,

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 2>are good going away with it.

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they don't see to piss people off. I haven't

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 3>heard like it. And then so and so tried to

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 3>kill them.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>No, No, Lou's running things. He's turning into quite the

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:21.240
<v Speaker 2>power player.

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I bet so.

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>It made sense that in nineteen twenty, during the primary

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>election for the Denver District Attorney, Lou reached out to

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.919
<v Speaker 2>Phillip van Seiss, the Republican candidate. He was like, look,

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 2>I want to kick some money to your campaign, maybe

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 2>send some votes your way. Wink wink, nudge nudge. Van

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Seiss said absolutely not. Yeah, I want nothing from you.

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>No one ever said this to Lou, and he's lose.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Shocked is the reform candidate.

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but like whatever he moves on.

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 3>It was like, because I guess I can't buy him.

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Van Seiss did not move on. Oh he won the election,

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and then he put Lou on notice He's going to

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.399
<v Speaker 2>go after the Bunko ring like number one, Yes, within

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the first one hundred days and all that. Oh yeah,

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>so this isn't going to be easy, though, because by

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>this point Lou pretty much owns everybody.

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm thinking, all the judges, all the people.

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and everyone had a good thing going.

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everyone's making everyone's wet their beak.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 2>The whole clash feels very nucky. Thompson versus Agent van

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Alden on.

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 3>A Boardwine Empire.

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, TV is my only point of reference. I

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 2>never learned to read. Keep that in mind.

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Getting an English degree really hard.

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>It was really really hard.

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Is there a TV show of this book?

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Because otherwise we are so.

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 3>Did the Brits make one? They make a lot of

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 3>It makes.

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 2>So many good ones. Thank you so much, Britz. So

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Van size he knew from criminals because he was born

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>in eighteen eighty four in Deadwood Territory. Oh, he was

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>just speaking crime non of Deadwood. He came out of

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>the earth.

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I was born in the mud.

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 2>It's badass to be like, Oh, I'm gonna start telling

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 2>people I was born you should in eighteen eighty four.

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally. People will love that.

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Don't believe me, so Van sise right, he's a lawyer obviously,

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>is running for DA served as a World War One

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:13.720
<v Speaker 2>military intelligence officer. Oh man, big, big crusading reformer. Yes,

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:18.839
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows. And he's principled, he's incorrect, he's fiercely independent.

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>When he got back from World War One with all

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>like the counterintelligence, oh yeah, he put it to work, right.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 2>He's determined to take down the Blonder Gang.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, he goes to war against.

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he knew. He knew the police were compromised,

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>he knew that the courts could be bought. He knew

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't trust City Hall, so he had no choice

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>but to go rogue.

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Van Size knew that if he's going to go after

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 2>lou he needs to have resources, so he created a

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 2>private intelligence unit that was financed by wealthy, reform minded businessmen.

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the other good.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So these men they're all part of Verus economic elite, okay, right, bankers,

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 2>industrialist lawyers, property developers, tco. Yeah, and they're all just

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>like they can't take the corruption anymore. Everything's you know,

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 2>we're a national joke.

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 3>It's a new century. We're a national joke.

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's just too much criminality. They're not like

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>completely altruistic though, like some of them are just like

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>look this crime is bad for investment, Like we're losing tourists.

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to make other suckers.

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I get embarrassed I go places. I'm like, I'm from Denver.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 2>So here's some of the men who got in on this.

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>JJ Jake Benedict. He was like this big banker investor.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 2>He thought the crime ring was a blight on the

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 2>city image in the economy. And he's the one who

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 2>helped organize the financial trust that supported Van Seiss and

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>was likely he played the part of the financial go

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 2>between and the fixer for the group. So Lou was

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 2>seen at the time everyone called him the ultimate fixer.

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 2>See him coming back around to be look at that.

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 2>So now we got JJ Jake Benedict. He's the fixer

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>for the good guys.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 3>So it's fixer versus fixerspy versus spot yes.

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.399
<v Speaker 2>And there and their little outfits in their pointy faith

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 2>wigs of course Jiggs costumes wigs. Another dude in the

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>rich guy anti Bunco club was Gerald Hughes. So he's

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 2>another lawyer, he's a mining investor. He's super well connected.

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 2>How is he well connected?

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 3>You ask?

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 2>No? His brother was Charles Evans Hughes former Chief Justice

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>of the United States Supreme Court.

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, snap, he ain't connected.

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>He's a true believer, right. He wanted clean government, he

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>wanted civic reform, and to get that, he funneled money

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>to support the operations, logistics safe houses and surveillance safe houses,

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>extra judicial stuff like you'd find in clean government.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so running a coupe and money funds and like

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:57.720
<v Speaker 4>dead drops everything.

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 2>So then there's Frederick. I'm just imagine them doing like

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the dancing dead drop.

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 3>Where they they did that too, the other dead drop.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just in my head, like the guy with

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the big bushy mountain and high heels. There's a scene

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I gagged serving Frederick Bamfield's fee. He was the co

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 2>owner of the Denver Post. He was known for backing

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:31.839
<v Speaker 2>moral crusades, pushing for civic reform and nineteen twenty you're

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>brimming with moral cruise.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 3>I say that was the time. Then, Yeah, they were

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 3>all about that. We got the racism. Those were the

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 3>two things.

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Stick with it. There's also the John Evans family, and

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>they were the descendants of John Evans, who was Colorado's

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>second territorial governor. Ah, they're just like super powerful Presbyterian Reformers, philanthropist.

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Son of the founding founder, all.

0:40:55.440 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 2>About cleaning up the city morally, socially. William Evans people

0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 2>very much, so so much Starch Williams, son of John.

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 2>He was the president of Denver Tramway Company Railroad Railroad.

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 2>So he's like deeply involved in civic development. He's got

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like, he has to have the city become respectable

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 2>for investors and visitors.

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 3>On the trams.

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all the trams everywhere, traming it up. The rest

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 2>of the group of rich guys, they stayed anonymous. They're like,

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 2>leave my name out of it. Here's some cash, I

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 2>get it. Yeah, that extra digital go together though. They

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 2>created a secret fund that was like had like twenty

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.280
<v Speaker 2>five grand in it. That's more than three hundred thousand dollars.

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 3>That's plenty of money.

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Now. So with that cash, they rented a private headquarters

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>away from the DA's office. Okay, so they had their

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>own store and look out. They paid undercover agents and informants,

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, the ropers. They purchased equipment like cameras, typewriters,

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:04.760
<v Speaker 2>why tap devices, costumes and wigs like now we're cooking.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>We got costumes and wigs. So the funds they paid

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>they paid for out of town's surveillance because remember the

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>ring was operating all the way to Cuba, so like,

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I guess one of us has to go to Cuba.

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Sorry Van Seiss He's like, we have to be have

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 2>total secrecy for this.

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 3>And they're not working with the FEDS on this. This

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 3>is the local money.

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Local, yes, just plus but the chapstick and the dance boat.

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>So that they're thinking, okay, since the Denver police are corrupt,

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, most of them are on lose payroll, leaks

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 2>could lead to murder, witness intimidation, sabotage, so everything has

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to be super secret. Plus like the businessmen, they feared

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.919
<v Speaker 2>for their lives, as they should, and the financial retaliation,

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, not just that. So to hide their involvement,

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 2>they used sheldone. They met in private homes in public

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Van Seiss just referred to them as my backers, and

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>all records were kept off the books and stored personally.

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 4>They had a couple of weekly Bible reading meetings. Yeah,

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be at the Bible reading, Like.

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Let's go read the Bible again. So the strike team

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>was staffed with undercover operatives. Most of them were like

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>World War one vets.

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this dude's friends with Pinkerton.

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Lewis what I'm saying.

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 4>Again, the best like private detective on the continent and

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 4>everybody they know, they know all of the black market.

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 3>People, and so he has hard to find people they

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 3>don't know, right, who were good at this kind of business.

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>That's van siss world War One. He's got to go

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>to the intelligence guy.

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 3>And go to like the ones he knew.

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's got to go personally people. I mean he's

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 4>got a vet. Basically, he can't trust any that's not

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 4>put that together.

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 2>That's so good.

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, the Pinkertons was like, he should hire Painker.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh he can't.

0:43:58.520 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>So they monitored the known bunkomen for months and like

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>along the way, they're just gathering all this airtight evidence.

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 2>They filmed and documented like real scams as they happened.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>They didn't want lou to be able to weasel out

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 2>of any and like you know, he'd have due process

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 2>as afforded to anyone on your soil. So they needed

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 2>to come correct though, with like actual solid evidence. So

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 2>they tracked how the victims were roped in, lured to

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 2>fake exchanges, conned and then dumped operatives posed as would

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 2>be victims. And yeah, at one point Van Seiss's backers

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>helped him tail and surveil the mayor, Dewey Bailey, because

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>everyone was like, he's got to be protected. Bailey didn't

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>ever get charged, but the surveillance helped prove like how

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>far the rot had spread, totally reinforced that need for

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>secrecy to so over the course of a year, they

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 2>collected all this evidence against the blogger gang. They tailed,

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 2>wire tapped, Van Seiss went through lose garbage on a

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:13.919
<v Speaker 2>regular personally. Yeah, they had a dictaphone installed in Lo's

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 2>office secretly, which didn't require search warrant at the time.

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, crazy, I would voice active talking he clicks over.

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, just two early early days.

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 3>So Van size was premoranda, right, that kind of stuff.

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:29.839
<v Speaker 2>But it's like it's new technology.

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but if I'm saying that, they don't even have

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 4>the thought to make it like, oh, yeah, you're gonna.

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.320
<v Speaker 3>Need you're gonna need this some legal protections.

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 2>So Van Seiss found that there was a police detective

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>in the DA's office who was on lose payroll, and

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know what, don't worry about it. Van

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Siss just let him continue on his merry way. But

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 2>fed him all this bad intel to mess with the

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Bunco ring.

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh smart.

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Van Sis he's ready to launch a raid

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>on the gang. He prepares everything in advance, like down

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>to the most minute detail.

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.120
<v Speaker 4>I don't normally root for the cops, but I'm lovings. Yeah,

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 4>his operations great.

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 2>He the whole thing was carried out using private cars.

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Trusted volunteers carried out the arrest, so not police. He

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 2>pre rented jail space in the city jail.

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 3>This apparent.

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I guess he's like, I just want to book it out.

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm having a party the Sea Block for the weekend,

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 4>having a batch. I got some musicians coming into town.

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 4>They need housing.

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like his backers paid for all the deputizing of

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like all the military vets, and you know those are

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the ones, like you said, he personally vented all of them.

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>The takedown was almost surgical. So Van Seiss, he had

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 2>a list of sixty seven names, and these were like

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 2>every single key player.

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 3>In the buckle.

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for Blue himself, down to like the Ropers Hills and.

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:00.919
<v Speaker 3>Like the lowest debts. You know, some guy had.

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 2>A crooked wig being like how can I help you

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>sitting at a desk. So, like any good cinematic takedown,

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>they had to bust them all at the same time

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:11.839
<v Speaker 2>so they wouldn't tip each other off.

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 3>He got sixty seconds to coordinate that.

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so can I call a time out really quickly

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 2>here and point out that it didn't look to me

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.439
<v Speaker 2>like there have been any movies about Lou Blanger. Yeah,

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.240
<v Speaker 2>so you need to call DIBs on the screenplay.

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 3>I want that on site. Man, this guy is like

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 3>an Elliott n.

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, okay. So the sting they needed to get

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 2>them all at once. They put in so much work

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>they could not risk this falling apart. And like the

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>worst would be if Lou gets away, because like he

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 2>has connections everywhere, he can just disappear.

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 3>You really want to get him.

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's the he's the key. August twenty fourth, nineteen

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty two. So it's early in the morning. Van Seiss's

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:51.400
<v Speaker 2>team fans out across Denver in private vehicles.

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Sixty seven people they got to pick up.

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Arrest teams there were like two to three agents per target.

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:58.960
<v Speaker 3>That's at eighty people.

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Sure if you say so. Came to math. I don't

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:01.919
<v Speaker 2>even know how to read.

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 2>These teams they hit homes, hotels, saloons, the fake investment offices.

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 2>People are like, well, I open up my fake stock

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 2>exchange this morning. Remember, no police are used, so only

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the trust exactly exactly. Some agents pretended to be clients

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and then arrested the con then dam like they would

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>one last undercover.

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 3>They know where they're going to be like nine am.

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Others I want.

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>To They pulled them from like street corners. All the

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:38.759
<v Speaker 2>arrestees were transported immediately to the county jail, where they

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 2>had like the pre reserved VIP cells. All of the

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 2>arrests happened within a window of one to two hours,

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 2>and so by mid morning, you know, everyone's in custody,

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>including Lou. They picked him up as he was like

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>walking down the street puffing on a cigar. He owned

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.359
<v Speaker 2>a cigar shop. He just gone in and picked one up,

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 2>smoking a stogy. He and Duff were the first to

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>be arrested. So thirty three of the rest of the

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>ring were caught and they got held on fraud and

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy charges. The rest of the guys they escaped because

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 2>they were like further down the ladder, further out on

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 2>the arrest schedule in the morning. Van Seiss had everything

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 2>on these guys. So they had the conscripts, the props,

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the fake telegrams, the stock ticker paper, testimony from out

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 2>of state victims who'd been defrauded in Denver. Despite all

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of the pressure and all the threats, Van Seiss prosecuted.

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 3>The case himself as the prosecuting.

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 2>As the prosecution, he Van sised for the people. He

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 2>did not trust anyone else to do it. Yeah, los

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 2>lawyers filed motions, they bribed, they bullied, but like Van

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Size is like what you're gonna do?

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Like, my.

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Stuff is airtight. So the bust was huge, news splashed

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>in paper coast to coast. Oh wow, it's amazing entertainment.

0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, but it's like a boss tweed kind of.

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 2>But the Denver Post wouldn't print Lose name. What one

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 2>of the co owners, Harry Tammin, He was a good

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.760
<v Speaker 2>buddy of Lose. But then remember the other guy, Fred

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Bomfield's the other co owner. He was helping fund the takedown. Yeah,

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>so it was a house divided so uh, Fred though

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 2>he made the papers editors and that embargo print lose

0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 2>names and then support the prosecution of what they were

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.439
<v Speaker 2>calling the quote million dollar Bunko ring.

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Once the music stops playing and the lights go on,

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 3>well the dances got to do.

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.640
<v Speaker 2>It then that the million dollar bunko ring. That's like

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:46.479
<v Speaker 2>the press nickname right and coverages like reaching a fever pitch.

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 2>Heading into trial, the guys they were pulling in way

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 2>more than a million dollars a year, though it missed

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>mind boggling amounts of money. So during the trial, everyone's

0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure the jury had been tampered with. I'm guessing yeah,

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 2>lose guys had approached four of the jurors and then

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 2>they get to the fifth one that they're going to

0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:09.240
<v Speaker 2>try and influence herman Oculi. Okay, he's crafty, right, he's

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>he's acting like he's all in on fixing the trial.

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 2>He took the money they offered and then he went

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>right to his boss, who went right to Van Seiss.

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So the jury like they're deliberating, right, and it looks

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 2>like they're going to almost be deadlocked, because like after

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>four days, three jurors still wanted to acquit even though

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 2>they have all this evidence, zero reasonable doubt. So then

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.399
<v Speaker 2>then herman he steps up right in front of all

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the other jurors. He told the three who wanted to acquit, quote,

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the difference between me and you is that I got

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>my five hundred dollars, but I turned it over to

0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.799
<v Speaker 2>the judge and you've still got yours. Oh and that

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 2>freaked them out, like they didn't want to go down too,

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.920
<v Speaker 2>so they all flipped over to guilty immediately, immediately.

0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:54.760
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 2>So March twenty eighth, nineteen twenty three, the jury comes

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>back guilty against Lou all the other defendants who are

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 2>still on trial. In the end, Lou gets convicted and

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>sentenced to seven to ten years. He was seventy five

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 2>years old.

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Say he's got to be up there.

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Health wasn't the best. The trial really took it out

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 2>of him. But what tipped him over the edge was

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 2>the Denver Post because they ran an article after like

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, fair game, they ran an article that revealed

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>that Lou had been leading this double life for twenty years.

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 2>He lived with his wife Nola on the weekends, but

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>during the week he lived with his mistress Iola Redon

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and the wife didn't know about the arrangement. What she

0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:37.280
<v Speaker 2>thought he Maly just works in the city.

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he stays so busy.

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:43.479
<v Speaker 2>He makes me so much money as so I get.

0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>How do you think the revelation destroyed him?

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Really?

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? All he wanted at that point was his wife's forgiveness.

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:52.400
<v Speaker 2>That's all he cared about.

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:54.799
<v Speaker 3>Why did he I don't know, I don't know.

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 2>They patched things up. They patch things up?

0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me?

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>And he transferred everything he owned, money, property, investments, everything

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to her before he went into the clink.

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which, like you know, he wants to keep it.

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lou he lost trust. Yeah, he lost a bunch

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 2>of appeals, and in a last ditch effort, he wrote

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 2>to Van Seiss and begged for leniency. This is what

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>van Seiss wrote back, What leniency have you shown to others?

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>What God have you worshiped except the almighty dollar? When

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 2>you stole Preacher Mena's trust funds? Did you hesitate when

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed with shame he committed suicide? Did you give any

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 2>aid to his family when you took the life earnings

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>of an old man Donovan of New Orleans and reduced

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.719
<v Speaker 2>him from comfort to penury. What did you do to

0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>ease the last months of his life? You have been

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 2>a criminal from the time of your youth. You've been

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:50.279
<v Speaker 2>the fixer of the town. You have prostituted justice. You've

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 2>bribed judges and jurors, state, city and police officials. You

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 2>have ruined hundreds of men with that record. Tell me

0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 2>why a death sentence is not your day? With his

0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 2>l seven to ten years might have Well.

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we're all kind of just saying the

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:06.960
<v Speaker 3>same thing.

0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 2>And he did. He died in prison in nineteen twenty

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 2>four after only being there a few months. The Blonder

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:17.360
<v Speaker 2>bust that cleaned out Denver's criminal elite, like basically overnight.

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, clan it the whole town. I imagine Van siss.

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:22.520
<v Speaker 2>He didn't run for reelection.

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 3>That's all he wanted to do.

0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he returned to private law instead of like, you know,

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.839
<v Speaker 2>being tempted to be corrupted by politics.

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Like he didn't want anything. He did his job. He

0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book called Fighting the Underworld in nineteen thirty

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 2>six tells his side of the story, and then his

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>his like methods became a blueprint for fighting organized crime.

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like it, I mean, basically get Rico out of it.

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.799
<v Speaker 2>It's like pre FBI right, That's what I'm saying.

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.840
<v Speaker 3>When you build a case over and show all the connections.

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Hey Edgar Hoover right from his playbook. Oh yeah, so

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 2>because he used private funding, undercover infiltration, surprise prosecution like that.

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:01.360
<v Speaker 2>That you that's how you bust racket.

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Totally, the surprise raid, all on the same day.

0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Saren, what's your ridiculous tickaway.

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.760
<v Speaker 3>That I've never heard of this cat van siss.

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like, you know, I listened to a lot

0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:11.480
<v Speaker 4>of the old radio shows and they'll reference a lot

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.360
<v Speaker 4>of the stuff from the nineteenth century, a lot of

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 4>the great outlaws, a lot of the great law men,

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.239
<v Speaker 4>and this one's never come up. And I've listened to

0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 4>stories about Denver. I've heard Soapie Smith mentioned in certain

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 4>shows as like a outlaw figure, and they fictionalize them like, well,

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, Soapie Smith's got the so and So's saloon

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 4>or whatever, and I'm like, oh, Lisciber told me about

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 4>that guy. Never have I heard about this guy. But

0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:35.360
<v Speaker 4>it's just fascinating what gets lost in American history. I

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:37.919
<v Speaker 4>think about the day about Smedley Butler, the guy who

0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:41.520
<v Speaker 4>like stopped. You reminded me of this with with the juror,

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:43.719
<v Speaker 4>where you act like you're in on the scam. Yeah,

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 4>you get enough evidence and then you flip right. As

0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 4>long as you're legitimately doing that, that's a great pull.

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:50.840
<v Speaker 4>And so I was thinking about that with him or

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 4>he did that where he basically showed FDR that there

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 4>was a coup against him. My point being that the

0:55:56.320 --> 0:56:00.800
<v Speaker 4>ridiculousness is actually this not like it's not prosaic like sublime.

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 4>Like the ridiculous is the juror doing the right thing.

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't anticipate that for Van Seiss not running

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:07.839
<v Speaker 4>for a reelection or trying to turn this into power

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:10.440
<v Speaker 4>and basically pulling a Cincinnatus in a George Washington and

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:11.919
<v Speaker 4>just walking away and.

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:18.759
<v Speaker 3>Being remaining Yeah, so ridiculous, this one is that exactly.

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 3>We never we don't.

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.360
<v Speaker 4>We so rarely hear about good men doing things like

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 4>this and ridiculous.

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.200
<v Speaker 2>And that's why you have to say, like, I can't

0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:26.640
<v Speaker 2>like this guy is.

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:27.799
<v Speaker 3>Clean, totally, he's great.

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I love he's doing it for just.

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 3>You want to protect people from penry. Exactly, you can't.

0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.920
<v Speaker 4>Be taking all that the money from the old Yeah, So, Elizabeth,

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 4>what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I just the characters. I'm just enamored of every character

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.760
<v Speaker 2>in this that like Leu and his family are terrible

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 2>but fascinating totally, and then Van Seiss coming through at

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the end. Oh yeah, I just I love good characters.

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:51.479
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. Oh by the way, thank you for letting

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:53.040
<v Speaker 3>me be whiter. That was fun.

0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>That was my gift to you. If to you, I

0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:57.439
<v Speaker 2>need to talk back.

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:08.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh my god, I went.

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 7>Thank you Ridiculous Crime. Before I started listening to you,

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:23.640
<v Speaker 7>I used to park illegally and sometimes even on the sidewalk.

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 7>Now I have started a soup kitchen since I've started

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 7>listening to you because you inspired me so much. That

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 7>and I have stopped my Tamagachi and BMX Triple X

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 7>obsession and change it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>We do the Lord's word.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell you. I love to have an effect in the world.

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 4>You know what.

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's I feel like.

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Right now for real perform That was so good.

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<v Speaker 2>and edited by King of the Bunco Rings Dave Cousten.

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<v Speaker 2>Judith Research is by Denver's most terrifying enforcer, Marissa Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Song is by Phony Day Traders Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton.

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<v Speaker 2>Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred guest Haron,

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<v Speaker 2>makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are Duped

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