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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?

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Speaker 1: Straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Thursday,

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Speaker 1: October nineteenth, Thursday Night Football Tonight should have a ugly game.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if Trevor Lawrence is gonna play. He

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Speaker 1: as we record this now, he attempted to practice Tuesday

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Speaker 1: and Wednesday. They list him as questionable. They have other

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Speaker 1: significant injuries. Their top cornerback, Tyson Campbell, their wide receivers

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Speaker 1: A Jones who's kind of underrated. J Jones, especially in

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Speaker 1: the red zone. They love them, and Walker little offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: All them out. Now. It's not like the Saints aren't hurt,

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Speaker 1: so this game could be ugly. Saints have two starting

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen, Hurston ramchick out, Juwan Johnson the tight end

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Speaker 1: also out. I mean, this is a mash unit game.

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Speaker 1: As much as I want to go heavy on the Saints,

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Speaker 1: and there's a chance, there's a chance I actually submit

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Speaker 1: for the contest today because I do like the Saints

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Speaker 1: a lot. I bet them throughout the week. As we

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Speaker 1: currently record, there's their minus one and a half. Somebody's

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Speaker 1: got the info out there whether Lawrence will play. You'll

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Speaker 1: see that line pop up, I would assume it goes

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Speaker 1: to the other side maybe three and a half. But

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Speaker 1: this has not been a dominant SATs team this year.

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Speaker 1: Their offense has been sluggish. I'll do a best bet here,

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Speaker 1: but let me introduce our guest who's coming up. He

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Speaker 1: is pretty fantastic, sharp guy, Rufus Peabody. He started the

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Speaker 1: Massy Peabody ratings for football and maybe all sports. He

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Speaker 1: started a pretty cool website that he's He came on

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Speaker 1: last year to promote it and essentially what his site

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Speaker 1: does is helps you become a better gambler. You could

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Speaker 1: crunch all the numbers you want. The website is www

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Speaker 1: dot unabated dot com. It just helps make you smart

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Speaker 1: better go on their tinker around and you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: Rufus is a sharp guy. That being said, he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: a very smart individual who sometimes comes off the wrong

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Speaker 1: way on social media and some jabbronis went after him.

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Speaker 1: You know, listen, anytime you're successful in any field, people

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Speaker 1: come after you. They want to knock you down a peg.

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Speaker 1: That's what they want to do because they're not where

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Speaker 1: could be where you are and I come to knock

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Speaker 1: you down. Now, I never have totally been that way

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason. Like I've just said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I want to get where that person is. I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget I was in I was in my first newspaper job,

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Speaker 1: and I remember still remember where I was sitting at

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Speaker 1: this at this like little not cubicle, but like a

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Speaker 1: cubby where there was like four desks together with this

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Speaker 1: guy Ben, super nice guy, huge NBA fan, And every

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Speaker 1: single day late in the week, he would be like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: did you read Bill Simmons today? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Who's that? This is like

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Speaker 1: two thousand and I don't know two thousand and three. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: not two thousand and three. This was before nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: This was like two thousand. I didn't even know who

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Speaker 1: Bill Simmons was. He was like, oh, J Mack, you

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Speaker 1: got to read this guy Bilson. Yes, that Jmack was

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Speaker 1: my nickname even back then. You got to read this

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Speaker 1: guy Bill Simmons. Oh, he's so funny at ESPN. And

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Speaker 1: I read it and I was like, okay, you know

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Speaker 1: I see pop culture entertainment. Yeah, I do that. Already.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I wasn't doing it for ESPN. I was doing

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Speaker 1: it on a local, much smaller scale. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't really want to read this guy. I feel

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Speaker 1: want to like subliminally start using the same stuff that you.

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Speaker 1: So I just never read Bill Simmons. I never really

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Speaker 1: listened to his podcast. Of course, I have tuned in

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Speaker 1: before when I get mentioned on there or there's something

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Speaker 1: big that he is worthy of talking about here. But like,

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Speaker 1: I've just never been one of those guys to like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: so Bill Simmons was at the top of the industry,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago, let me attack him. Like, No,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, obviously when I had the website,

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Speaker 1: be critical of other stuff whatever. But I've never been

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Speaker 1: Now listen, some of you were gonna say, Jake j

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Speaker 1: J you were brutal on Justin Herbert. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: And Justin Herbert's different from some guy giving out picks

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Speaker 1: like Rufus Peabody well who he doesn't even really give

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Speaker 1: in the contest, which you'll talk about, and all these

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Speaker 1: should give you my best bet. Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 1: am on the Saints. I got them plus one. I

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Speaker 1: got them pick them. As we look right now, they

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Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrence will not play. If I do put

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Speaker 1: the Saints in the contest, the other picks that I

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Speaker 1: and I probably won't do it. I've never submitted on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: like a Thanksgiving weekend. It was a total disaster. But

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the other picks would be like Seahawks, Eagles,

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Speaker 1: what are the two others that I have let's see here.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the first note that I open on my

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Speaker 1: It looks. I think I'm probably going to go Lions,

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Speaker 1: although I don't know. Plus three the rufus that I

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Speaker 1: It's a difficult week. I don't love a lot of

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Speaker 1: But then when Indian ever shocks the world because Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I can't stomach that. So ultimately

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Speaker 1: Saints tonight. Let's get a win, and without further ado,

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Speaker 1: let's get to our guest rufus Peabody.

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Speaker 2: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 2: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 2: fans want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire, a guy who's

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Speaker 1: been on the podcast before. If you've ever gambled on golf,

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Speaker 1: you obviously know his work. He's, i guess, the world's

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Speaker 1: most renowned golf gambler. He has a website unabated to

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Speaker 1: recently put out the tweet heard round the gambling world,

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Speaker 1: Rufus Peabody, how are you, Rufus?

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Speaker 2: I do well. I think you exaggerated some of these things.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna be really okay, all right now listen.

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Speaker 1: You obviously have a popular podcast with Jeff ma Again,

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Speaker 1: I used to know Jeff ma well. He is not

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Speaker 1: But I did tune into a couple of your recent

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Speaker 1: most exciting pick up, Rufus, is that you've entered these

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Speaker 1: Vegas contests, the circa millions, the survivor and previously correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, you hadn't done those.

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Speaker 2: I had never done any of the contests before. Correct, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm in Vegas. I was in Vegas, like right before

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Speaker 2: the season began, and I, you know, I saw that

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Speaker 2: why don't I do the Survivor too? Might as well

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Speaker 2: MACC center that. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So now you're solo or do you have a group?

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Speaker 2: It's with my with my betting group, my team. We're

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Speaker 2: a small group.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So so talk me through how do you guys

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Speaker 2: Well, normally it's like out Aday morning and we're like,

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Speaker 2: it to our guy in Vegas. But I've actually so

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Speaker 2: I've done some modeling of the like ownership for Survivor,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's not even prediction. Maybe it's the percentage of

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Speaker 2: people and Survivor leagues that have picked each team, right,

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Speaker 2: Because I mean for Survivor, that's the key, the key

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Speaker 2: in a strategically optimal way. And so what I realized

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Speaker 2: and Detroit isn't a bad team, but this last week,

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Speaker 3: Able to pretty accurately predict what what people are going

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Speaker 3: to be on and which doesn't you know, guarantee anything clearly,

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Speaker 3: but but it's I felt good about what we've been on.

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Speaker 2: Although two weeks ago we lost six of our eight

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Speaker 1: But God, so you have two still too alive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I lost the week where it was Arizona and Houston

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Speaker 1: that one. I'm in the other one. But it feels

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Speaker 1: So do you here's my question, do you know? I

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Speaker 1: know you're able to see where you want to zig

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Speaker 1: when people are zagging? But what do you start that

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Speaker 1: get me to week six? Let me use the favors.

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Speaker 1: Let me just get get halfway through or third of

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jason, I'd rather take a team that has

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Speaker 2: a sixty five percent chance of winning if only two

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Speaker 2: percent of the entries are on them, then a team

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Speaker 2: with an eighty percent chance of winning and forty percent

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Speaker 2: of the entries are on them. So I'm I'm trying

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Speaker 2: the win probability matters a lot, as does the future.

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Speaker 2: The future for that particular team. Yeah, if they're if

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Speaker 2: you can, if you know you're you're using up a

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Speaker 2: not you don't care about You're not trying to last

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Speaker 2: as long as possible. That's not the goal of survivor.

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Speaker 2: The goal survivor is to is to is to win

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I had Patriots in the contest.

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Speaker 2: Right, we had seven games we split among the five

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Speaker 3: So that's that makes a lot of a lot of skill.

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Speaker 2: But the problem was last so then, so that was

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Speaker 2: This quarter is five weeks. So I'm like, okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: So were you gunning for oh and five? Yes, definitely,

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Speaker 1: because what you assume that you have no chance of

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Speaker 2: I mean, because my top entry at that point was

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna hurt a lot, especially in a

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Speaker 2: all of them were like I think all step one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess I'll counter that. So

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Speaker 1: If he can go twenty one and four, why couldn't

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Speaker 2: I think I think, by ev from that is going

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, did I mean any of them go

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Speaker 1: because maybe your zero to five had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: No, so the tweet actually wasn't in reference to stuff

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Speaker 2: I kind of I mean, I think it can happen.

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Speaker 2: It happens to people occasionally, and I mean clearly, like

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Speaker 2: kind of it's kind of a shitty game to play.

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Speaker 1: Oh, come, are you surprised these losers?

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Speaker 2: So here's what it said, Jason, you're saying these losers like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, here they are. I don't think they are.

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Speaker 2: But but Jason, why do you think they're doing that? Like,

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people because.

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Speaker 1: They've got problems themselves, They've got massive problems. They maybe

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Speaker 1: gonna hurt. But let me just read your tweet real quick.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how difficult it is to

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's very easy to anonymously antagonize,

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Speaker 1: purpose of provoking a reaction. I don't understand why some

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Speaker 1: Maybe these actions are rooted in unhappiness. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Are you advertently or inadvertently hurting people? Is that consistent

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Speaker 1: to be? So extremely well said, I would give you

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Speaker 1: the applause, stand up, you know, clap very well said.

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Speaker 1: And I need to ask you this. The person who's

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Speaker 1: The same one who asked you to go to lunch. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's the first I've never.

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Speaker 2: point it doesn't bother me because I you know it,

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Speaker 2: it's more entertaining and I don't know it's okay.

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Speaker 1: But the guy who asked you to lunch me right.

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Speaker 2: Now, like I don't. I don't need validation from strangers

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Speaker 2: I feel like I consistently have to reprove myself to

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Speaker 2: myself out time out.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a real job right now where you

431
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Speaker 1: go to work and have to be told to be where? Okay,

432
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: you've done fine? As a gambler is.

433
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: If you aren't continually improving, evolving, you're gonna fall behind.

434
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 2: That's that's how it is.

435
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: That's also true.

436
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: But my identity isn't like based on being a successful better.

437
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: I think I know I'm good enough, And you know what,

438
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: even if, like if the game passed me by, I

439
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: can quit and still feel really good about what I've accomplished.

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Speaker 1: So Bill Belichick, Yeah.

441
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Speaker 2: Although I mean, I'm sure it would be a little

442
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: bit difficult, but.

443
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got enough money to retire and

444
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: you could, you can get away from this, Like Rufus,

445
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: I've told people like my buddies are like, man, I

446
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: can't believe you have to be on Twitter all the time.

447
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I'm not as much as I

448
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: used to be, but I can't wait till I've got

449
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Speaker 1: enough money that I don't give two shits what's happening

450
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's just I don't care. I go on

451
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: there to push my links, click on my stuff, listen

452
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: to my podcast. That's all I care about, you know,

453
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: interacting it's mostly overrated. I prefer Instagram. I don't know

454
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Speaker 1: if you're active on there, but I need to ask

455
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Speaker 1: you this, Rufus. So, the person who said, hey, let's

456
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: meet up for lunch who had been trolling you? Were

457
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Speaker 1: they anonymous or did they put their real name on it?

458
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Speaker 2: No, they're anonymous. They actually often control me after, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I didn't need an anonymous person. You don't know

460
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: who this person is at all. They could be a psychopath,

461
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: a normal human being. I ask you to lunch.

462
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Speaker 2: I I tend to I tend to believe. I don't know.

463
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not even too trustful, but I don't see

464
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: the best of people. But but that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, that's crazy.

466
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Speaker 2: Don't do that, man, when you call them losers.

467
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: Like they are most of them losers.

468
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: That's that's a very judgmental thing to say. And by

469
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: doing that, that's kind of attacking them and saying somethingative

470
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Speaker 2: like like I feel like I think that if they're

471
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Speaker 2: going through things themselves and don't know how to handle it,

472
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: that's like, I mean, I feel they need help. You should.

473
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: You should empathize with them helping the world.

474
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Speaker 1: I can help me and my family and my inner

475
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Speaker 1: circle and my family, but like, I can't help these

476
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: guys out here, So hold on rufus one.

477
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Speaker 2: But does that make you like, rather than be like, oh,

478
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Speaker 2: upset at them, doesn't that make you more like, like

479
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Speaker 2: kind of pity them a little bit and say, Okay,

480
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Speaker 2: why should I worry abou this person?

481
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't who has time to care about

482
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: all these random people who are attacking me. So, Rufus,

483
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: the thing I do is instantly if I see somebody

484
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: say Jason, you're a fing idiot, you know that's normal.

485
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: I don't care block. I don't need that, Rufus. No

486
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: time in the history of the world has anyone been

487
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: able to relentlessly attack another human being verbally twenty four

488
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: to seven. That just never has existed. If somebody was

489
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: doing it to you in face to face at school,

490
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: you'd been getting a fist fight, teachers would step in,

491
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: friends would step in. Never before have we as humans

492
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: just been under relentless attack from people randomly that you

493
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Ever, we're not wired to deal with this,

494
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: So I block. I've seen listen, Rufus. I've been at

495
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: Fox for seven years. I've seen people personally melt down

496
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: because they can't handle the anonymous losers attacking people on you.

497
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: They can't handle people, they can't handle it.

498
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Speaker 2: This is you know. What's interesting, though, is that for me,

499
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: I think being attacked a lot on Twitter and has

500
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: actually made me a better person. And I think that

501
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: I used to be someone that really cared a lot

502
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: about recognition and validation. I felt like I needed you know,

503
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: if someone said really something really nice about me on Twitter,

504
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: like it built me up. But you can't have that

505
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: without also feeling crappy if someone says something mean, right,

506
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: it's like a drug and so and so it took

507
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: getting all this negative feedback for me to realize that,

508
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: like like get to that point where I'm like, you

509
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: know what, I'm good enough myself, Like that's not what matters,

510
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: Like I know inside of here that who I am

511
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: is good enough. And then and suddenly like if I

512
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: can admit, if I can admit all my weaknesses too publicly,

513
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: if I can say own them and say, hey, you

514
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: know what, you're right, like I messed up here, or

515
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: like yeah, I can be a little insecure sometimes or

516
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: something like that. Right, Like like if I can own

517
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: my shortcomings, then nobody can hurt me. Right, But they say, oh,

518
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Speaker 2: well you're you know, like I already said that I'm

519
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: just or that.

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00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: I've done any Yeah, have you done any therapy at all?

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00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah?

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00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? So because that's it's this sound. I'm sure somebody

523
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: out there listening is like, you know, this sounds like

524
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: that skit on Saturday Night Live. I'm good enough, I'm smart,

525
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: enough people like me or whatever. Remember that? Yeah, I

526
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: forget who did that?

527
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: Was that?

528
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: Mike? Was that Myers?

529
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 2: No, it was Al Franklin, Al.

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00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: Franken, Yes, thank you, and it was like funny, ha ha.

531
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: But some of the stuff you're saying is like, yeah, good,

532
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: So we don't need to seek outside validation. You know,

533
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: if when I go five and zero on the picks

534
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: and everybody says they made money, sure, it's great, awesome, wonderful.

535
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna get too high because I know

536
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: there's gonna be week where I go one and four,

537
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: maybe I lose four or five figures, and it's a

538
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: crappy feeling. And I know some people who follow my

539
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: picks they also lost. I'm not going to get too low.

540
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: You never get too high or too low. Have you

541
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: read the book The Four Agreements I Have?

542
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: I love that book. Howard Stern recommended it?

543
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Howard Stern. I heard Howard Stern mentioned it like

544
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: fifty years ago. And I think number one, if memory

545
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: serves is.

546
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: Don't personally right don't they things?

547
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: Personally? Thank you? Yes, there is. That's like the number

548
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 1: one thing. So, like these people who are attacking you

549
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: for gambling, is that your doorbell?

550
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: It is my doorbell. I can get out of Amazon delivery.

551
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I Amazon. All right, anyways, we're getting way,

552
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: way off topic. But finally, did you hear from anyone

553
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: about this rant and have any like just totally counterintuitive

554
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: thoughts or was it mostly you know, just trolls coming

555
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: after you?

556
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: No, I mean people, I will say sometimes trolls do

557
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: have good points. They can't I think you can have

558
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: a good point and say it in a way that

559
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: is designed to make somebody angry or make someone emotional.

560
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: And if you can, I think if you can kind

561
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: of separate the message from the messenger in the way

562
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: it's presented, I think you can actually improve and learn

563
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: a lot about yourself and where you know where you

564
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: can improve. And I think there were some comments being

565
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: like saying it was rich for me and given like

566
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: given the fact that I had I had been hateful

567
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: to people on Twitter in the past, and that's true.

568
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: I back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, I got in

569
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: this sort of feud with Michael Schwimmer, and I don't

570
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: like who was that. He was someone he had started

571
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: a top service.

572
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Oh and he's selling picks.

573
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: Got it selling picks, but it was he was going

574
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: to do it in a different way. And but the

575
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: point isn't that. The point is that I let things

576
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: get personal, and I like he and I were both

577
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: like essentially trying to take each other down, and it

578
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: was I mean, we both came out of it looking

579
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: pretty bad, I'll say that. And so I think for me,

580
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: it's like I'm just trying to you know, I have

581
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: not been perfect in the past thing I probably and

582
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: I won't be perfect going forward. I want to keep

583
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: getting better.

584
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: But like you're pro in the gambling space, and the

585
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: fact that I'm assuming most of the comments to you

586
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: are by anonymous guys, it's kind of it says speaks

587
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot about gambling. It's funny how all these anonymous guys,

588
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, after the fact, Oh I had this, how

589
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: could you bet that? You more on? It's like, I'm

590
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: gonna block you. I don't need the I don't need

591
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: you anonymous guy who probably didn't even bet the game

592
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: coming in saying that I just that adds no value

593
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: to me. I guess the other thing before we get

594
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: to week seven here in the NFL, so rufus like,

595
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: basically you have just to recap. You have no job

596
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: where you have to like go in and report to

597
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: a boss and he has to tell you have to

598
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: be here. We're an outfit. You don't have that. You

599
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: have h I believe you have residences in multiple cities

600
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: in America. You're you're basically one of the best prop

601
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: gamblers when it comes to Super Bowl props, and you're

602
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: like the number one golf handicapper in the country. Why

603
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: would you like, I don't know, Well, what about the houses?

604
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: Multiple houses?

605
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: Yes, but I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

606
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: There's there's no ranking list because you know, a lot

607
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: of successfu betters are unknown.

608
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: So do you okay?

609
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: How it?

610
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Let me adjust when you make a golf bet? Does

611
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: the line move?

612
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay?

613
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean what I mean listen, I've talked to Preston

614
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: about you a lot man like president and you are

615
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: good buddies, and he's a good guy. You know, he's

616
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: one of the smarter guys in the industry and like,

617
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: you know your shit. So I don't know, you don't

618
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: need my affirmation at all. But I just saw this

619
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Speaker 1: and I was like, we gotta get him on the pot,

620
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: all right. So let's go to week seven. So it's

621
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Speaker 1: weird rufus because when I'm breaking down games and like

622
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: trying to find an edge and scheme or familiarity or

623
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, that's just not what you do. You

624
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: are the sun rises and sets with the numbers correct.

625
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: Yes, but but my numbers are art as well as science.

626
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: And so there's art and building a model and incorporating

627
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: all these different varias and figuring out how figuring out

628
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: what matters right. So so if you can quantify scheme stuff,

629
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: that's great. Like God, that's not my strength personally, but

630
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: it's when people say, oh, it's the numbers, like it's robotic,

631
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: Like I think asking the right questions of the data

632
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: is the huge, huge thing, And I think that's honestly

633
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: one of my probably my biggest strength.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Adam Turnoff or my

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Speaker 1: buddy Ta, but guys who have been on the pod,

651
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Speaker 1: so one of them had said something like, listen, Atlanta

652
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Speaker 1: plays a ton of man defense, some of the most

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Speaker 1: in the league. Sam Howell is a great quarterback against

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Speaker 1: a man, but he sucks against zone. And the Bears

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Speaker 1: played zone and Howells shit his pants. Atlanta's gonna play

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Speaker 1: man and Howell's gonna have some success. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: that's freakin interesting. And so I, whatever the numbers were,

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Speaker 1: I went around asking people where do you find the zone,

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Speaker 1: Where do you find the man? Where do you find

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Speaker 1: those numbers? Because they're not out there and I'm not

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Speaker 1: kidding rufus. A lot of people just didn't respond to me,

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Speaker 1: people who I'm friendly with. Finally, Churnoff says, you got

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Speaker 1: to go to SIS. They have all the numbers. So

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Speaker 1: I reached out to SIS. I got an account, and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the numbers and it's some of this

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Speaker 1: stuff is kind of staggery, and it's like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: there is a whole world of numbers out there that

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't I don't know them, and.

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Speaker 2: There's even deeper stuff. That's the funny thing you can

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Speaker 2: go And so when you say like, oh, it's the number, like,

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Speaker 2: it's the numbers, but it's no which numbers to look

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Speaker 2: at which.

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Speaker 1: And that's constantly evolving, right Like what might have mattered

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Speaker 1: last year or two years ago has adjusted because coaches

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Speaker 1: and schemes and offense and whatever. It is all right,

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Speaker 1: So is there a game on the board. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if you've run your numbers, but anything that

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Speaker 1: jumps out is kind of interesting to you.

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Speaker 2: This week there's a few games. Although I will say

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Speaker 2: I'll preface this by saying like, like I don't bet

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Speaker 2: a lot of NFL. Like I'm in fact, I'm not

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Speaker 2: betting NFL sides anymore. Really, it's just a market that

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Speaker 2: is I mean a there's not a lot of games

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Speaker 2: on a weekly basis, and it's a pretty efficient market.

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Speaker 2: And so if you think about how much if you

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Speaker 2: think about the amount of time that is required two

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Speaker 2: like to be to be good at it, and then

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Speaker 2: the versus what the upside is there? I think that

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Speaker 2: that I think that there are other markets that make

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Speaker 2: more sense for me to devote my time too. But

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Speaker 2: that's said, I still have the massive Peabody rating system

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Speaker 2: that Cade and I developed and we've improved over the years,

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Speaker 2: and so I use that as sort of a starting point,

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Speaker 2: a jumping off point, and I think you can make

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Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't we we're not accounting for injuries

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: outside of quarterback and stuff like that, and so and

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a team based rating and so again

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Speaker 2: like if you you know, it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: factoring and Sam Howell against man defenses.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, but again that that's not like a a

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Speaker 1: hard and fast well he is great against man and

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Speaker 1: shit against own like Zach Wilson. We know much better

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Speaker 1: against a man, not great against own, like he's gonna

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Speaker 1: throw picks because he can't read defenses to save his life.

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Speaker 1: But again, that's just like one data point, right that,

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Speaker 1: and it all goes into the bowl of soup, and

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Speaker 1: you got to try to figure it out. So you

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Speaker 1: said something interesting, you you stop betting NFL sides rufus.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is the most popular sport in America right

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Speaker 1: by far in terms of watching and fantasy and all

711
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Speaker 1: this stuff. But it's the toughest market to crack. It

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Speaker 1: is so difficult to tell me, Jason. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: a nice guy. You've probably had some great wins, you've

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Speaker 1: had some good results. You're just not going to beat

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Speaker 1: the NFL market. Nobody is. Stop wasting your.

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Speaker 2: Time with Some people are, but it takes a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is the I don't say the

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Speaker 2: average literacy of an NFL fan.

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Speaker 1: But but.

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Speaker 2: The there are a lot of there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: good data that's readily available now, which makes and that

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Speaker 2: a lot of smart people are utilizing.

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Speaker 1: So okay, wait time out. Good data. But what is

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Speaker 1: considered to you good data?

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Speaker 2: I mean, now you have you have tracking data. You

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Speaker 2: have I mean obviously play by play stuff, and but

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Speaker 2: but the tracking data is interesting. You have stuff like

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Speaker 2: you know, players being sites like Pro Football Focus grading

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Speaker 2: every player every play not. I mean, I think there

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Speaker 2: are issues with with things like that. I mean there's

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Speaker 2: biases that inherent in those grades. But but you the

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Speaker 2: point is that you just have a lot, a lot

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Speaker 2: of granular data that you can work with.

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Speaker 1: So like EPA success rate, how much of that stuff

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Speaker 1: factors into to your equation.

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Speaker 2: See that's what massipbody's based on. It's based on play

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Speaker 2: by play data. But we're not using sort of the

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Speaker 2: we're not using grades, player grades. We're not using the

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Speaker 2: tracking data, the wearables technology stuff, you know, sprint speed,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Does everyone have access to that or is that just

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Speaker 1: like next Gen Stats and some other places.

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Speaker 2: I think any play I think you can you can

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Speaker 2: purchase it. I think good data is very expensive though.

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Speaker 2: I mean if I if I wanted the best data

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Speaker 2: for an NFL season, it would cost me over fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you're betting six figures, so it's probably

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Speaker 1: worth it.

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Speaker 2: I am wondering if you know NFL there's there are

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Speaker 2: not that many games. There's what two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: two regular season games a year. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: mean in college basketball there's like two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: two games in like a week.

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Speaker 1: Come, oh yeah, actually you're right, there's like three hundred teams, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fair.

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Speaker 2: More than Yeah. So I mean it's I'm to make

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Speaker 2: it worth it, I would need Well, first off, it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't just be how much money am I going to make?

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Speaker 2: It's how much can I make relative to not having

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Speaker 2: that data? Right? And then how much am I betting?

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Speaker 2: Like well, if they think about you have to think

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Speaker 2: about it as like what what percentage would it take

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Speaker 2: away from my ROI, like essentially my thresh Like if

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Speaker 2: I if I'm let's say, I'm not going to do

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Speaker 2: the math. But but if a two percent ROI, if

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Speaker 2: I'm betting such you know, X amount of dollars, fifty dollars,

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Speaker 2: you might be like two percent of my about bet right,

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Speaker 2: And so then suddenly I'm gonna have to overcome a

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Speaker 2: two you know, I'm gonna have to have a creative

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Speaker 2: two percent ROI to make it worth it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you move off of NFL. Are you still

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Speaker 1: doing college?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: But I would say finding more success there.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is like we've I won't say I

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Speaker 2: haven't done any NFL, but I'll bet we'll bet some

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Speaker 2: derivative stuff we'll bet. I mean, they're they're we're just

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Speaker 2: not betting the bigger sides and totals markets really as much.

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Speaker 2: I've never really been an NFL totals guy. We're still

781
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Speaker 2: betting college but the volume isn't what it used to be.

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Speaker 2: The market's more efficient. But also, I mean I've I've

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Speaker 2: focused less on upgrading my model and I've been focused

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Speaker 2: more on on other sports and specializing like golf and

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Speaker 2: college basketball are the things.

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Speaker 1: That college who well, I do love it, but I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's just tough for me. Like if you had I

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Speaker 1: know that Jeff Mobel, his head will explode if years is.

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Speaker 1: But if you had a service where you were giving

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Speaker 1: out your college basketball plays on like Stetson versus uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Florida Gulf Coast or whatever, I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 1: got a job, I got a podcast, I got a family,

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Speaker 1: I got a dog recovering from third I just don't

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Speaker 1: have time to drill down on two hundred college basketball

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Speaker 1: games a week. You do, apparently, and your model does.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not about time to drill down. It's about

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Speaker 2: it's it's it is about time, but it's about spending

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Speaker 2: that time to build a better.

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Speaker 1: Model, right, Yes, so you're doing if you had a

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Speaker 1: service rufus and you said, hey, you know, give me,

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Speaker 1: give me two hundred dollars for the season, and you

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Speaker 1: get all my plays or whatever. I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 1: picking random numbers. I guarantee you A lot of people

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Speaker 1: would do that. But that goes against your DNA of

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Speaker 1: like being the total.

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Speaker 2: It would also not be financially my best interest, right,

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Speaker 2: I can make.

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Speaker 1: Everybody would move the lines? You could, yeah, you could

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Speaker 1: make more well.

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Speaker 2: I could make it long and and you're right, like

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Speaker 2: I think if I did that, you release a play,

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Speaker 2: only a few people are going to get that release

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Speaker 2: price because the lines are going to move, and so

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Speaker 2: then a lot of the a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: are subscribing would get kind of screwed.

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Speaker 1: Gets yeah, right yeah, right. Angle Sports is interesting. They

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Speaker 1: just one NFL game is we got to wrap up here?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Angle Sports gave out the Ravens minus two and a

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Speaker 1: half against Detroit. It instantly went to three. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it touched three and a half, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I did. Last time you were on the pod, you

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Speaker 1: said I think it was you that said bet stamp

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Speaker 1: is the good app for just tracking lines. So it's

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Speaker 1: three across the market here.

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Speaker 2: I personally think that the best place to track lines

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Speaker 2: is unobated.

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Speaker 1: Dot com anobated obviously your your website. Well that's more

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Speaker 1: than tracking lines. You could build models there if you're

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Speaker 1: smart enough. Surely we have a very smart, intelligent audience

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Speaker 1: that you know could go.

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Speaker 2: To batablay models. But it helps identify edges for you

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Speaker 2: and derivative markets relative to the main markets, and it

834
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Speaker 2: allows you to leverage rankings that you already have or

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Speaker 2: others ratings to essentially simulate the season and find value

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Speaker 2: on futures bats and things like that, as well as

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Speaker 2: like props using you know, you can use publicly available

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Speaker 2: prop numbers and we'll sort of simulate out that distribution.

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Speaker 2: But basically it gives you tools to sort of leverage

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Speaker 2: the market and your opinions, uh, to find to find edges.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so for instance, my biggest bet this week is Seattle,

842
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Speaker 1: probably my third biggest bet of the season at seven

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Speaker 1: and a half and eight h I don't know, you're oh, wow,

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Speaker 1: makes it sound bad.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I mean minus nine point eight. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: to save ste with you there.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's excellent. That's really good to hear. Wow, that

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Speaker 1: makes my day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm the guy that five, right, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: that was two weeks ago. Who cares?

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Speaker 1: It's another week, you know, and like I, you have

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Speaker 1: a history. Who cares about an oh and five? Dude,

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Speaker 1: you've got five, ten years or whatever that I'm sure longer.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the other games I was looking at, well,

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Speaker 1: that Ravens Lions probably had no play right at three?

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Speaker 1: What does it say for Ravens minus three?

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Speaker 2: I make it minus three point eight. So if I mean,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't I don't think that's enough value for me

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Speaker 2: to play it. But even if I was betting NFL sides.

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Speaker 2: But I certainly would rather take Baltimore minus three than

861
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Speaker 2: to Troy plus three.

862
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, for sure, Baltimore at home and then Indy

863
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Cleveland is kind of stinky. Something's going on here Cleveland

864
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: two and a half on the road. They won't deal

865
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: you the three. Do you see Colts here?

866
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: Do I see Colts? I don't think there's a big

867
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: downgrade to minshef honest, I make the line minus one

868
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: point nine, so I don't really have an opinion there.

869
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: Seattle the biggest edge.

870
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: No, I like Tampa. I like Tampa all season geez,

871
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: and I've been low on the Falcons basically all seasons.

872
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: So I make that line minus five point six. It's

873
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: also divisional matchup. You're gonna get less home field advantage

874
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: for that reason. Yeah that I think Tampa is slightly

875
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: worse than an average team, but I think the Falcons

876
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: are pupal pretty bad. All right.

877
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: Finally, Dolphins Eagles pretty much it was three, maybe it

878
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: was four, I don't know. It came down to like

879
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: one and a half. Now it's a two and a half.

880
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Eagles have some injuries obviously. I know you don't take

881
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: into account the Lane Johnson stuff in the secondary.

882
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: Anything here, uh So, so I make it Eagles minus

883
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: zero point three. Basically, I have the Eagles is like win,

884
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: so I would in it, especially with the injury stuff

885
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: if if you if you think that is going to

886
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: affect it as well, I mean I would like Miami for.

887
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: Sure, So it does. Do your priors include last year's

888
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Dolphins or no?

889
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

890
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: With only two Well, or do you include like Skyler

891
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: Thompson and all that crap.

892
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: Some of both. I mean, I'm looking so we separate that.

893
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: We try to separate the team performance from the quarterback performance.

894
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: So we're looking at at how like that the offensive

895
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: unit outside of the quarterback and fatching that in with two.

896
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: It's very difficult sometimes to say how much is the quarterback?

897
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: How much is the system? Right? I mean that's the

898
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: whole rock Purty argument.

899
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a top Oh, let's go one more. One

900
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: more chargers who come off a Monday night embarrassment they've

901
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: been taking making money. I saw this, I think it

902
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: was six down to five. Now chargers in case they

903
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: usually play tough, tell me Unabated is showing uh value

904
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: on the chargers.

905
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 2: Well, unabated nod screen, it'll show you the odds everywhere

906
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: and it'll uh it's it's not. Oh sorry, massive peabody,

907
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: nassy peabody, which is a part of anovated. Now, actually,

908
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: I think that might be my biggest sedge because I

909
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: made that line minus nine point three. I've been consistently

910
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: low on the chargers for the last few years.

911
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: To be honest, minus nine when it's minus five and

912
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: a half. Oh yeah, jeez, all right, I'm let me

913
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: put that in my notes. Chiefs, be careful going against

914
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: him here, all right, Rufus Peabody Unabated is the website.

915
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: He's a good follow on Twitter. Yeah, you should start.

916
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: You gotta start monetizing your plays, dude. But you're right,

917
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how you give them out without you

918
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: know that I'm talking for the I'm talking about the

919
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: unwashed masses. They need some help, you know.

920
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 2: You do, Rufus.

921
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of kidding, all right, you and Jeff

922
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: Moont and the podcast is bet the Process where you know,

923
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: probably once or twice a month, Jeff Mile takes some

924
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: shots at me, you know, out of left field, but

925
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: that's fine. Whatever. You know, he went what do he

926
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: go to?

927
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: Heart?

928
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: Did he do Harvard?

929
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: Or no?

930
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: I t because he was part of that twenty one

931
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: that's right? Yeah, yeah, where did you go to school?

932
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: By the way, I went to Yale?

933
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: Damn?

934
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Did you watch Gilmore Girls or no?

935
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: I did not?

936
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

937
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: They the kid goes to Yale in that one. I

938
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: think I've heard my daughter's watching it, so yeah, I

939
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: figured I just tossed that in the all right, Rufus Peabody.

940
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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jason