Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House. They're crumbling
Speaker 2: world and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans. This episode
Speaker 2: recovering the week of April twenty second April thirtieth. Anything
Speaker 2: anything interesting happened this week?
Speaker 3: Very little? Not much news?
Speaker 1: Oh not much. I mean, Garrison, you've joined the ranks
Speaker 1: of the vaccine injured, right.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, go full so joining us of four
Speaker 3: live vaccines inside Garrison's bodies.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for having me and my four
Speaker 2: live vaccines which have obliterated my body and mind this
Speaker 2: week as I scrambled to finish them on Donnie Piece.
Speaker 2: But news happens whether or not I feel bad, So
Speaker 2: let's get to it.
Speaker 3: In fact, I seem to happen a lot when we've
Speaker 3: seed sometimes inspire us that way.
Speaker 2: Now we will talk about the thing. Obviously, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about the thing, but first some smaller news items to start.
Speaker 2: Congress has voted to end the seventy six day DHS
Speaker 2: shutdown without funding for ice or border patrol. The bill
Speaker 2: now goes to Trump today and if he signs it,
Speaker 2: the shutdown will be over. The House voted to reauthorize
Speaker 2: FAISA section seven oh two, the warrant list of surveillance authority.
Speaker 2: Forty two House Democrats voted to reauthorize twenty two Republicans
Speaker 2: voted against the bills expected to be stalled in the
Speaker 2: Senate at least this version of the bill, as it
Speaker 2: included an amendment about digital currency, which the Senate will
Speaker 2: fight over. The ATF released a new list of proposed
Speaker 2: reforms and regulations, repealing the Biden pistol brace rule, as
Speaker 2: well as requiring quote unquote biological sex be used on
Speaker 2: ATF forms. The State Department is releasing a limited edition
Speaker 2: passport for the United States two hundred and fiftieth anniversary,
Speaker 2: featuring a portrait of President Trump superimposed on the Declaration
Speaker 2: of Independence and an American flag with his golden signature below.
Speaker 2: Google Trump Golden Signature for more.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm just gonna say, if we have any foreign
Speaker 1: border control agents listening, you have to detain anybody you
Speaker 1: see that passport.
Speaker 3: It is now possible for Nicki Minaj, and only Nicki
Speaker 3: Minaj to assemble the most unique collection of United States
Speaker 3: government documents in history if she become a citizen, because
Speaker 3: she is apparently the only recipient of the Gold.
Speaker 1: Card, that's the Golden Visa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she could, really, she could really get a
Speaker 3: unique but you know, Pokemon combination here of I guess
Speaker 3: she'd have to advance pretty quickly for a moment you would.
Speaker 3: I'm not clear how one goes from Gold Card citizenship,
Speaker 3: and the only way we'll find out is by closely
Speaker 3: following Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 2: The DOJ indicted former FBI doctor James Comey for the
Speaker 2: second time, this time for posting an Instagram image with
Speaker 2: the numbers eighty six forty seven. Once again. Trump's FCC
Speaker 2: is going after Disney's ABC licenses by directing Disney to
Speaker 2: file an early renewal order. After Jimmy Kimmel made a
Speaker 2: joke a few days before the White House Correspondents Dinner
Speaker 2: about First Lady Milania Trump having the quote glow of
Speaker 2: an expectant widow. It pains me to say critical support
Speaker 2: to Jimmy Kimmel. President Trump, David Allison, Todd Blanche Stephen Miller,
Speaker 2: Barry Weiss, Paramount's chief legal officer and several CBS journalists
Speaker 2: met in a closed door dinner in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Last week. As the paramount buyout of Warner Brothers and
Speaker 2: CNN progresses nightmare blunt rotation, main governor Janet Mills vetoed
Speaker 2: the state's eighteen month data center moratorium, the first of
Speaker 2: its kind in the country. Days later, Mills dropped out
Speaker 2: of the Senate race, paving the way for populist candidate
Speaker 2: Graham Plattner to receive the Democratic nomination and go up
Speaker 2: against Susan Kah in the midterms.
Speaker 3: Must it seemed to already be behind him a sort
Speaker 3: of post from the Democrats account, Patrick Graham.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party kind of falls in line behind this guy,
Speaker 1: given the fairly unique degree of controversy over the Nazi
Speaker 1: tattoo and a couple of other things that have come up.
Speaker 1: But this has been in general, the gap between kind
Speaker 1: of how random progressives and Democrats online talk about Platner
Speaker 1: and how people in Maine feel about him has been
Speaker 1: massive from the jump, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do just with the fact that this
Speaker 1: guy went about campaigning in a very dedicated way. He
Speaker 1: visited basically every county that like he could, And it
Speaker 1: goes to show that the consensus that builds online around
Speaker 1: candidates will never matter as much as like what they're
Speaker 1: out there actually doing in the world. And it's it's
Speaker 1: useful to get a reminder of that, whether or not
Speaker 1: you think this is a tremendous disaster, just to agree
Speaker 1: to which all of the talk about this guy online
Speaker 1: had no impact on his ability to actually like win. Now,
Speaker 1: this is a unique case. There aren't a whole lot
Speaker 1: of seats that are like the seat that he's going
Speaker 1: to be taking right in terms of like both the
Speaker 1: weakness of your primary rival and the weakness of the
Speaker 1: other party if you should happen to win the primary. Like,
Speaker 1: this is not every congressional district, but it's still kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting case study.
Speaker 3: Maine is also like it's not California, you know, like Californian,
Speaker 3: so discourse happens on likes we're of vast state and
Speaker 3: you know these big cities insertion, and Maine is different,
Speaker 3: Like he has good ground game and that matters more there,
Speaker 3: it seems.
Speaker 2: And this signifies like a rejection of democratic establishment. Yes,
Speaker 2: sessions like a hunger for change yep. And the fact
Speaker 2: that someone with all the controversies that come with Platner
Speaker 2: was able to beat the democratic establishment I think shows
Speaker 2: how hungry, how hungry people are to upseat these these
Speaker 2: bloodsucking monsters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep reporting on that. I'm kind of interested
Speaker 3: in this race.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, absolutely mean, Susan Collins plays a unique role
Speaker 2: in the Senate right now. Finally for me. On Saturday,
Speaker 2: a car bomb exploded at a police station in Dunmurrae,
Speaker 2: Northern Ireland, outside Belfast. A group calling itself the quote
Speaker 2: unquote New IRA claimed responsibility and a sixty six year
Speaker 2: old man has been arrested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, New IRA, sixty six year old man. Well, the
Speaker 3: new IRAS's it grows out of the real IRA.
Speaker 1: Right, was it the new IRA who killed that journalist
Speaker 1: a few years back in Belfast?
Speaker 3: You know what, I don't know?
Speaker 1: The New IRA yep admitted responsibility. Yeah, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: New IRA as well. Lara McKee is the name of
Speaker 1: the journalist who was killed. Okay, I think just out
Speaker 1: of negligence and incompetence during an action these people were
Speaker 1: a part of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like just before COVID times. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: do you remember? So Two large vessels, including a tanker,
Speaker 3: have been seized by pirates off some mind Aalia. Another
Speaker 3: attempted hijacking by pirates was prevented. I'm just going to
Speaker 3: quote the uk mto here quote the master of a
Speaker 3: cargo vessel was approached by two small fishing vessels with
Speaker 3: armed persons support. One vessel approached within six hundred meters.
Speaker 3: Warning shots were fired and the suspicious craft returned fire.
Speaker 3: The suspicious boat moved away and made clear of the vessel.
Speaker 3: All crew are safe and accounted for. Vessels are advised
Speaker 3: to transit with caution and report any suspicious activities to
Speaker 3: uk MDO authorities are investigating. I saw another incident where
Speaker 3: a ship had fired a flair people who were allegedly
Speaker 3: attempting to board it. Right that, it seems like there
Speaker 3: has been an uptick in an instant, especially as ships
Speaker 3: generally are having a hard time right now. The United
Speaker 3: States has also been boarding a number of vessels to
Speaker 3: inspect them as part of its blockade on Iran and
Speaker 3: Iranian goods. Secondly, j nim that Ali Islam Uhile muslimin
Speaker 3: and the aswadl Boration Front in Maley launched a shock
Speaker 3: offensive this week that saw them sweep into Mali's capital,
Speaker 3: assassinate the defense minister, and force the military Hunter and
Speaker 3: it's allied Russian forces to abandon whole cities. They also
Speaker 3: abandoned a number of bases right there. J and I
Speaker 3: am have captured like massive amounts of Russian Africa core material.
Speaker 3: But this is a pretty ground shaking offensive, a big
Speaker 3: change for Mali. The Hunter in miammar I still keep
Speaker 3: calling them that they've rebranded themselves as a civilian government.
Speaker 1: They're not.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Min A Lang gets retired as a general and just
Speaker 3: become president and change closed and done the same shit
Speaker 3: like the Hunter reclaimed Falarm this week, which using Chin State.
Speaker 3: It's capital of Chin State. Fighting has been happening there
Speaker 3: for months. I've been talking to people pretty regularly who
Speaker 3: are taking part in the in the battle there. They're obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, they lost friends in the battle. They are
Speaker 3: not happy about this, but I think it's fair to
Speaker 3: say that spirits among the resistance Germany remained pretty high
Speaker 3: and they hope that they'll return to Falam soon enough.
Speaker 3: Doug Bergham has announced a United States Geographic Geographical Geological.
Speaker 1: Survey USGS geological server. Yeah, I know that because of
Speaker 1: the film Evolution starring David Dukovny.
Speaker 3: Not familiar.
Speaker 1: This is an important piece of news for the listeners.
Speaker 1: There was a brief period of time in between X
Speaker 1: Files and Californication where we thought that David Dukeoveny might
Speaker 1: have a career as a comedic actor.
Speaker 2: And no he did not that he might have a career.
Speaker 2: I love he said a great.
Speaker 1: Just not as a comedic actor.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Doug Bergham has announced that the United States
Speaker 3: Geological Survey found enough lithium to replace three centuries of
Speaker 3: imports in Appalachia.
Speaker 1: Enough left the end to do that or make one
Speaker 1: American small town normal for a weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to read from this because it's kind
Speaker 3: of interesting. Quite The southern Appalachians hold an estimated one
Speaker 3: point four to three million metric tons of lithium oxide
Speaker 3: concentrated in the Carolinas, and the northern apple Achians holding
Speaker 3: estimated nine hundred thousand metric tons concentrated in Maine and
Speaker 3: New Hampshire, according to estimates in a new U SGS
Speaker 3: scientific paper. That is like I guess Big Appalachia like
Speaker 3: going up into Maine there leaving that aside, Lithium mining
Speaker 3: is incredibly disruptive to the environment, right, Yeah, Generally there's
Speaker 3: two ways you could do it. You can extract it
Speaker 3: from brine like they do in Chile, and I think
Speaker 3: other places think they're trying to do that in California.
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's open pit mining. The water use, energy use,
Speaker 3: ecological damage will be huge, potential for disasters is not zero,
Speaker 3: and the people of Appalacture should be more than familiar
Speaker 3: with how this tends to go. Right, This is the
Speaker 3: long history of mining and mining. Deserve is moving on.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has reposted a tweet about changing the name
Speaker 3: of Ice to nice Nice Agents.
Speaker 1: They should do this. I want them to do this.
Speaker 3: It would be absolutely disastrous for audio journalisms.
Speaker 1: It'd be like, look, we understand, you know, it's nineteen
Speaker 1: forty three. People have a lot of issues with the Gestapo.
Speaker 1: We're gonna call them the fun stoppo now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the nice Stoppo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the great style process now stands for super sweet.
Speaker 2: Actually, the White House account and the DHS account have
Speaker 2: posted nice images or hype videos since this as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to consider there's like a forty chance
Speaker 1: this happens at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this might happen.
Speaker 1: If this could very much happen, Like we're laughing, but
Speaker 1: this could be the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does the end stand for?
Speaker 3: National?
Speaker 1: National?
Speaker 3: It's just it's what they call a backronym.
Speaker 1: I know, Garrison with these guys could have stood for
Speaker 1: a couple of things. You think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh Trump, truth, great idea do it? That
Speaker 3: is how policy is made these days.
Speaker 2: This is huger and policy works now via via truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has made something clear to me that I
Speaker 1: was kind of dancing around for all, which is that
Speaker 1: I am in support in general of any policy that
Speaker 1: just pulls the wool off of people's eyes like this.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things where it's now should
Speaker 1: be clearer to even the really stupid people where we
Speaker 1: are as a country when we do when something like
Speaker 1: this happens, And so I'm supportive of it, Like we
Speaker 1: can't have any artifice. The more you dress things up,
Speaker 1: the more people get deranged. So at least this everyone
Speaker 1: knows what's happening. Yeah, really clear.
Speaker 3: I'm also Germany in favor of like they have a budget,
Speaker 3: it is vast but it is fixed. And if they
Speaker 3: want to spend it all rewrapping their vehicles to say Nice, yeah, fine,
Speaker 3: Oh so.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make them feel lame.
Speaker 2: Are they gonna do that by buying end stickers or
Speaker 2: do they have to get the whole new sticker? Do
Speaker 2: you think right? Do they slap the end?
Speaker 1: I hope they just slap it in.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we want to open the open
Speaker 3: door to them having stickers with then on that Yeah,
Speaker 3: who knows. Garrison. They had previously spent quit a lot
Speaker 3: of money wrapping vehicles, so it's not beyond them to
Speaker 3: get Maybe they'll get a whole rebrand. Maybe it'll be
Speaker 3: nice and a picture of someone like holding cake.
Speaker 2: Or they got to find some way to spend the
Speaker 2: seven bajillion dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah they have so either that or you know, when
Speaker 1: we get someone better in we could keep the name
Speaker 1: but just create like a brand partnership with the city
Speaker 1: of Nice. And I'm going to say that like it's
Speaker 1: like and turn them into advertising. Instead of pulling people
Speaker 1: away from their families. They can tell people about all
Speaker 1: of the new deals on air Fair to France that
Speaker 1: are available right now.
Speaker 2: We don't even need to abolish Nice.
Speaker 3: We can just perform it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could just we could just perform it to
Speaker 1: a tourism agency for one city in France.
Speaker 3: There is a type of biscuit in Britain which I
Speaker 3: suspect maybe comes from Nice. But if Germany referred to
Speaker 3: as a Nice biscuit because it has Nice stamped on
Speaker 3: the biscuit, sure so perhaps we could instead of guns
Speaker 3: and give them biscuits and they can hand those out.
Speaker 1: Think of how much better it'll be. Some guy shows
Speaker 1: up for his like, you know, immigration court meeting, and
Speaker 1: he finishes that and on his way out, there's a
Speaker 1: delegation of guys from from Nice just being like, you
Speaker 1: want to go on vacation one of France's top five
Speaker 1: or six cities.
Speaker 3: I assume the niceise cops. Yeah, they give you, like
Speaker 3: one of their special salads they make there with. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so many. Yeah, it could be great.
Speaker 1: Hit us up, it could be this could work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're the mayor of Nice, we can we
Speaker 3: can introduce you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Finally, the United States has indicted the governor of Sino
Speaker 3: Law on drug grafficking charges, which is a pretty significant thing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not as funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, no, no, well I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: brand rebranding as clearly the.
Speaker 2: Speaking of not being funny, let's actually talk about the
Speaker 2: bad news this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On Wednesday, the Supreme Court struck down a Louisiana voting
Speaker 2: map as a quote on constitutional racial gerrymander that effectively
Speaker 2: created a black voting district. The ruling was split six
Speaker 2: three on ideological lines, Alido who wrote the majority opinion,
Speaker 2: saying that the district violated the equal Protection clause of
Speaker 2: the Constitution. The new ruling substantially undermines the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five Voting Rights Act, reinterpreting Section two provisions against racial
Speaker 2: discrimination to require evidence of intentional racial discrimination, not just
Speaker 2: discrimination as the effect, so in the future, proving discriminatory
Speaker 2: motives may be needed in order to win legal challenges
Speaker 2: against gerrymandering. By citing the Voting Rights Act. This ruling
Speaker 2: specifically depowers black voters while enabling Republican jerrymandering to continue.
Speaker 2: Republicans in the South will now be able to redraw
Speaker 2: House district maps that lean Democrat, that have a high
Speaker 2: number of Black voters, and prstmates at least fifteen House
Speaker 2: districts are now at risk of elimination. In the dissent,
Speaker 2: Justice Alana Kagan wrote, the court's decision will set back
Speaker 2: the foundational right Congress granted of racial equality in electoral
Speaker 2: opportunity unquote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is bad.
Speaker 2: This is possibly the worst escalation of the continued undermining
Speaker 2: of the Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, I mean, this is inarguably the
Speaker 1: most important thing going on this week, even with the
Speaker 1: shooting that we haven't talked about, like the gutting of
Speaker 1: laymore people died for Like, the Voting Rights Act has
Speaker 1: a body count attached to it. Yeah, the court has
Speaker 1: to be packed the next Like, if there's ever another
Speaker 1: democratic or left of center administration and they don't pack
Speaker 1: the court, there's simply no chance of improving or fixing
Speaker 1: any of the problems this country has. Like it's a
Speaker 1: necessary prerequisite.
Speaker 3: It's no coming back from this.
Speaker 2: DC and Porto ricurls need to become states and have
Speaker 2: their own congressional representation. Any future opposition administration has to
Speaker 2: go completely gloves off, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to imprison a bunch of the
Speaker 1: people currently running things. Yeah, Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that has to happen. But one of those is
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court needs to get packed, because, by god,
Speaker 1: these people are not going to approve of anything that
Speaker 1: isn't insane.
Speaker 2: It's unclear if this rulely will have immediate impacts on
Speaker 2: the upcoming midterms, but by twenty twenty eight it will
Speaker 2: certainly have impacts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had filed for an emergency decision on redistruting
Speaker 3: or I guess not redistruting like predistrict. I don't know
Speaker 3: what you would call that, better to get this in
Speaker 3: effect before the midterms.
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, the Supreme Court also sent us to a
Speaker 2: lower court to work out more details. It's going to
Speaker 2: obviously be ongoing litigation about it, just as there will
Speaker 2: be about Florida's redistricting measure that they are trying to
Speaker 2: finalize before the midterms as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and indeed Californias. I think there have been some arguments,
Speaker 3: may like, now that this decision had been made by
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, right, like, the states will have to
Speaker 3: consider this in their redistricting. Should we take a break.
Speaker 2: We shall, and then we can talk about the dinner. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we are back. Let's talk about the dinner. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about the shooting that happened at the dinner, the thing
Speaker 2: that everyone else has been talking about for the past
Speaker 2: five six days. So yeah, on April twenty fifth, during
Speaker 2: the White House Correspondence dinner, Everyone's favorite event.
Speaker 1: It's a shame we weren't there.
Speaker 2: It is unfortunate that we were not there to point
Speaker 2: our vertical video at our face as the news happens
Speaker 2: in front of us.
Speaker 1: Oh, I would have been filming just your face, Garrison
Speaker 1: and just like really tight in, like to the point
Speaker 1: where it's it's difficult for you to get up and move.
Speaker 1: I keep wedging No Garrison face the camera. Come on,
Speaker 1: people need to see.
Speaker 3: I'd be assuming the war fight apostume.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get up like kank Seth and storm around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would also be shielding myself behind Stephen Miller's wife.
Speaker 2: Hed been protecting the wife.
Speaker 1: Either way. Funny, Yeah, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least at least Miller wasn't wasn't getting cooked,
Speaker 2: unlike the FBI director.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is funny that he abandoned his wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, girlfriend, girlfriend, girlfriend, Sorry, I guess we should
Speaker 3: just go. Let's recap the events for people who live
Speaker 3: under a rock.
Speaker 2: So shortly before eight thirty pm, the alleged shooter approached
Speaker 2: the Secret Service security screening checkpoint located on the terrace
Speaker 2: level of the hotel. This was the level above the
Speaker 2: ballroom level where the actual dinner was taking place. James,
Speaker 2: we should probably just read from the court document.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm I'm going to read this straight
Speaker 3: from the government's THEFJ statement and in court. Right before
Speaker 3: the dependant approached the checkpoint, he discarded a long black
Speaker 3: coat that concealed a twelve gage pump action shook. The
Speaker 3: defendant then sprinted through one of the magnetometers at the
Speaker 3: checkpoint and ran in the direction of the stairs leading
Speaker 3: to the ballroom where the President and members of his
Speaker 3: family and cabinet were located. As the defendant did so,
Speaker 3: he held a shotgun in both hands in a raised
Speaker 3: position parallel to the ground. A United States Secret Service
Speaker 3: officer observed the defendant fire the shotgun in the direction
Speaker 3: of the stairs leading down to the ballroom. The Secret
Speaker 3: Service officer and others at the checkpoint heard the gun shot.
Speaker 3: The Secret Service officer drew his service weapon and fired
Speaker 3: five times that the defendant. The defendant fell to the
Speaker 3: ground and was restrained by law enforcement and was placed
Speaker 3: under arrests. The defendant suffered a minor injury to his knee,
Speaker 3: but was not shot. We can in a second talk
Speaker 3: about whether he shot the Secret Service officer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's an interesting Washington Post review that's out
Speaker 1: too now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a couple of court documents just filed today. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's talk a little bit about the just circumstances, is right,
Speaker 3: this person had purchased. According to court documents, he purchased
Speaker 3: two weapons from separate firearm stealers in California, buying a
Speaker 3: shotgun on or about August seventeenth, twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 3: a pistol on or about October sixth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pistol for a while. The shotgun was a
Speaker 2: more of a recent purchase.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pistol is a fascinating choice, amazing choice. Thirty
Speaker 3: eight Super Yeah, I have never seen a thirty eight
Speaker 3: super hanggun outside of them. They're very They're common in
Speaker 3: Mexico because, yeah, they have a certain cachet and cultural value.
Speaker 1: Every thirty eight superhandgun that I have personally held was
Speaker 1: in Boston. Gold and silver yeah, yeah, and usually a
Speaker 1: Mexican flag, but not exclusively.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like some sort of heraldry that denotes but
Speaker 3: it's associated sometimes with organized crime, Like I'm not when
Speaker 3: I say associated with organized crime. A few weeks ago, right,
Speaker 3: I talked about a material support for terrorism case which
Speaker 3: centered on a firearms dealer who was selling grips for
Speaker 3: thirty thirty eight super pistols with images that are associated
Speaker 3: with cartels. Like when you buy a thirty eight super
Speaker 3: someone at the ATF gets an email. I bet like
Speaker 3: these things are very rare and that they have a
Speaker 3: certain consumer base.
Speaker 1: Now, obviously there are normal thirty eight super pistols that exist.
Speaker 1: They're just like today, most people buy because it's a
Speaker 1: weird moon round too. There's not a it's not a
Speaker 1: normal like it's not there's nothing wrong with it, but
Speaker 1: it's not a round that's commonly carried. It's expensive. It's
Speaker 1: primarily something that has like cachet for drug dealers. But
Speaker 1: I guess also my interpretation and I guess we're I know,
Speaker 1: maybe this is getting too much into my says side
Speaker 1: of things, but I do have a theorist to why
Speaker 1: he would have picked this gun and the shotgun that
Speaker 1: he picked. But we can talk about that later if
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: We'll get that in the sack.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He also had a I believe two knives and four daggers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: six bladed weapons.
Speaker 1: Really want to see pictures of those bladed weapons?
Speaker 3: They are in the court documents, buddy, let me have you.
Speaker 3: Let me let me just find those for you.
Speaker 2: We have an enhanced image of some of them too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we should talk about this. The government submitted
Speaker 3: a quote unquote enhanced image in the court case. Mister
Speaker 3: Allen took a picture of himself at about eighth three pm,
Speaker 3: so about half an hour before he rushed past the magnetometer.
Speaker 3: There in the picture we can see he is wearing
Speaker 3: black suit pants. He is wearing a black shirt. He
Speaker 3: has a red tie which inexplicably is tucked into his pants.
Speaker 3: He has a shoulder holster and a large k by
Speaker 3: knife in a in a downwards draw configuration. He is
Speaker 3: carrying a pair of pliers and a pair of wirecutters
Speaker 3: in a holster on its left side. On his right side,
Speaker 3: he is carrying a small leather bag which allegedly contained
Speaker 3: more shotgun rounds, and the nineteen eleven is in a
Speaker 3: prester or shoulder holster.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: None of this screams highly trained.
Speaker 2: The quote unquote enhanced image was basically a zoomed in
Speaker 2: the oh yeah copy of this photo that if I
Speaker 2: were to guess, the word enhanced means that they use
Speaker 2: some kind of sharpening or AI image sharpening tool.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, none of which are real in terms of
Speaker 1: like none of which are actually enhancing or sharpening.
Speaker 2: The details that you are seeing should not be allowed
Speaker 2: in to be like viewed in court.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, the AI is guessing there's not
Speaker 1: extra data in the photo. The AI is uncovering, Like
Speaker 1: the AI is basically attempting to clean up an image,
Speaker 1: which is fine if you have like a blurry photo
Speaker 1: of you and like your white when you got in
Speaker 1: your first apartment together, that you weren't cleaned up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's not it's not not. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll see the defense challenges and I'll be
Speaker 3: interested to know, like what AI they used, and did
Speaker 3: they did they ask for various iterations of the enhancement
Speaker 3: or did they you know, like this will be interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't think that it materially inserting anything. We can
Speaker 3: see the same Samsung phone. I can see the handle
Speaker 3: of the knife in both imagies, I can see the
Speaker 3: handle of their hang guns.
Speaker 2: This is more of like a principal thing. Yeah, then, like,
Speaker 2: did this specifically affect the photo in this case in
Speaker 2: any way that would lead to the evidence being more useful?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, this is a bad slippery slope.
Speaker 3: So talking of his phone, he kept it with him
Speaker 3: as he traveled across the country on a train, taking
Speaker 3: notes about the landscape as he went Amtrak. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he uh, he took Amtrak, and like he was enchanted
Speaker 3: by like the deserts and they he liked Chicago. He
Speaker 3: thought the woods on the East coast were greatly.
Speaker 2: He kept like a like a journal where he wrote
Speaker 2: a the trap.
Speaker 3: Yeah in the notesap of his phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the day of his attempted shooting, he used
Speaker 3: open sources to track the president's movements. Should we move
Speaker 3: on to did he fire his gun?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's a big because because that is a big question,
Speaker 2: right now, Yeah, that's one half the question. The other
Speaker 2: half is did he shoot a secret service ation? Which?
Speaker 1: Right, did he shoot anybody? M hm? The DOJ is
Speaker 1: saying he fired a gun. The DOJ claims that, but
Speaker 1: is not really affirmatively saying that he shot an agent. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: they They've said a couple of different things. They've said
Speaker 1: that an agent was struck by gunfire. They've said that
Speaker 1: it was not friendly fire. But they have not said
Speaker 1: that he was struck by the assailant shotgun, by the
Speaker 1: gunman's actual weapon. And that's partly because there's not hard
Speaker 1: evidence yet that the gunmen actually fired his shotgun.
Speaker 3: Let me read you what they fired in court today. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the evidence gathered Nadelie to date establishes that your client
Speaker 3: fired his Mosburg twelve gage pumpaction shotgun at least one
Speaker 3: time as he rampast some magnetometers on the terrace level
Speaker 3: of the Washington Hilton on April twenty fifth, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: When the weapon was recovered, had once spent cartridge case
Speaker 3: in the chamber, which has been identified as having been
Speaker 3: fired in the Mosburg shotgun. The government's preliminary ballistics video
Speaker 3: analysis show that your client fired his shotgun in the
Speaker 3: direction of Secret Service Officer VG, which Officer VG observed. Additionally,
Speaker 3: at least one fragment was recovered from the crime scene
Speaker 3: that was physically consistent with a single buckshot pellet. That
Speaker 3: fragment was recovered from a location at the scene consistent
Speaker 3: with your client firing his shotgun in the direction of
Speaker 3: Officer VG. The government is aware of no physical evidence,
Speaker 3: digital video evidence, or witness statements that are inconsistent with
Speaker 3: the theory that your client fired his shotgun in the
Speaker 3: direction of Officer VG, or the officer of VG was
Speaker 3: indeed shot once in the chest while wearing a ballistic vest.
Speaker 3: They go on them further to say, the government also
Speaker 3: recovered five spent nine millimeters LUGA cartridge cases, each of
Speaker 3: which was determined to have been fired from Officer Veg's
Speaker 3: service weapon. The government also identified five separate bullet holes
Speaker 3: in the walls opposite from Officer VEG, consistent with the direction.
Speaker 3: So Officer VEG fired his service weapon. That's like the
Speaker 3: most Yeah, that's the most detail that we've seen from
Speaker 3: them of their case. Right. His defense had previously suggested
Speaker 3: that the because of some of the public statements Attorney
Speaker 3: General Blanche had made, the government may have e sculpatory
Speaker 3: evidence either that he didn't fire his gun or that
Speaker 3: he didn't shoot the Secret Service agent in question.
Speaker 2: Which administration officials have gone on the news to say
Speaker 2: that the Secret Service agent did not shoot himself, which yes,
Speaker 2: is not saying that another Secret Service agent did not
Speaker 2: shoot him though.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And it doesn't seem like he shoutened to
Speaker 3: like a plaster board wall. It seems right, so he
Speaker 3: didn't maybe get splashed back, which is no.
Speaker 1: The the only holes we've seen look like they came
Speaker 1: from pistols, and that's something the Washington Posts actually did
Speaker 1: like look into, because there's at least one there's a
Speaker 1: couple I think of livestream videos that showed like holes
Speaker 1: from a bullet in the wall. But the Post talked
Speaker 1: to Rick Vasquez, the firearms consultant and former chief of
Speaker 1: the Firearms Technology Branch at the ATF or what was
Speaker 1: then the ATF, who said that the holes were consistent
Speaker 1: with handgun rounds. Now, that's not like a firearms technology.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of wo there, but it's also pretty
Speaker 1: easy to look. I mean, sometimes it could be kind
Speaker 1: of messy because like the balls and like a double
Speaker 1: lot buck shotshell are kind of similar in size to
Speaker 1: nine millimeter right.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in the thirty caliber range, right, but they don't
Speaker 3: tend to.
Speaker 1: Hit with the same kinds of patterns, right, Like, there
Speaker 1: does tend to be a significant difference, especially that kind
Speaker 1: of range. The night of the shooting, or within a
Speaker 1: few hours of a Trump posted security camera footage, and
Speaker 1: the Post got a hold of a higher resolution copy
Speaker 1: of that footage and they went through like a frame
Speaker 1: by frame analysis of it, because, as you noted, James,
Speaker 1: they claimed that Cole has charged his shotgun while he
Speaker 1: was passing through the magnometers, the magnetometers. Right. They didn't
Speaker 1: say it happened to elsewhere. They said it like as
Speaker 1: he was going through that checkpoint that you can watch
Speaker 1: him sprint through like he's fucking rudo running his way
Speaker 1: into the correspondence dinner. And in their frame by frame analysis,
Speaker 1: the Post only found evidence of four muzzle flashes, all
Speaker 1: of them from the agent who was allegedly struck by
Speaker 1: something's weapon. Right, So, first off, I mean, and you
Speaker 1: can hear in other footage, you can clearly hear more
Speaker 1: shots than that, Like I don't doubt that there were
Speaker 1: that he discharged five shots, but the video only shows four,
Speaker 1: And crucially, it does not show Cole's shotgun firing. And
Speaker 1: the video follows him until he goes off screen, So
Speaker 1: maybe whoever wrote that out should have written after passing
Speaker 1: through the magnanometers. But they seem to pretty clearly be
Speaker 1: saying it was while he was in that little security area.
Speaker 1: And there's not evidence in the footage of him firing.
Speaker 1: We don't see anything that looks like firing, Like nobody
Speaker 1: reacts as if he has fired, Like there's there's just
Speaker 1: no evidence that he shot. And you know, they're hinging
Speaker 1: a lot on the fact that there's a spent cartridge
Speaker 1: in the chamber of his twelve gauge. But number one,
Speaker 1: that's actually not an uncommon way to store that kind
Speaker 1: of twelve gage shotgun with a spent shell in the
Speaker 1: in the breach, because it makes it easy if something
Speaker 1: were to happen. It makes it easier to basically get
Speaker 1: a fresh round in without needing to have a chambered
Speaker 1: round at all times, which a lot of people, most
Speaker 1: people don't like to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then don't drop say five that like it's
Speaker 3: a bad idea to do that.
Speaker 1: You don't want to do that with a shotgun, you know.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that he was storing it that way?
Speaker 1: Is it possible that he loaded one an empty round
Speaker 1: in there intentionally because he didn't actually he was hoping
Speaker 1: to do a suicide by cop and he didn't intend
Speaker 1: to actually shoot anybody. Is it possible he just fucked up.
Speaker 1: It's also perfectly possible he fired later. But but it's
Speaker 1: really weird that they wrote it out that way, if
Speaker 1: that's what they're alleging, because we see him when he's
Speaker 1: at the security checkpoint at the magnanometer and he doesn't
Speaker 1: fire in the footage that we have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a lot of press statements that are
Speaker 3: sort of talking around exactly not making the explicit statement
Speaker 3: he fired his shotgun and he shot the officer in
Speaker 3: the chest, right and certainly, like I'm not sure about
Speaker 3: the distance we're talking about, Like, and then thus the
Speaker 3: spread that would happen with.
Speaker 1: It would be minimal spread even with a sod off
Speaker 1: in a narrow corridor like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you go by an inch per yard, right, Like,
Speaker 3: that's the amount that yeah, really spreads. And so if
Speaker 3: you hit this person once, assuming this person has a
Speaker 3: chest at twenty inches wide, Yeah, that doesn't line up, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it might be different with bugshy.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously if they had evidence that the secret
Speaker 2: cerviation was shot by mister Allen, we'd have seen it.
Speaker 2: They would be running with that. The fact that they
Speaker 2: do not have evidence that the agent was shot by
Speaker 2: Alan is shown in the way that they're like talking
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: He was shot, Yeah, and the guy discharged a shotgun.
Speaker 2: Separate statements, exactly two separate statements. Yeah, they're still affirming
Speaker 2: that the agent did not shoot himself, which does not
Speaker 2: mean that he was not shot by another agent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a in that Washington Post article. They
Speaker 1: talked to Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and asked him
Speaker 1: to explain, like why why are you guys never willing
Speaker 1: to say, like where the round that hit the officer
Speaker 1: came from? Right? They asked him the question that we've
Speaker 1: been asking, and Blanche answered, we want to get that right.
Speaker 1: We're still looking at that. There you go, right, And
Speaker 1: that is a big change. As the Post notes of
Speaker 1: a day earlier, he told ABC that officials believe the
Speaker 1: gunman had shot the officer, so he has led back,
Speaker 1: which leads me to think maybe this guy didn't shoot
Speaker 1: at all, or maybe he fired later, maybe even totally
Speaker 1: by accident. Maybe when he was down he liked discharged,
Speaker 1: but if so, also you would think there'd be a
Speaker 1: photo somewhere of where he discharged the shotgun. It's surprisingly
Speaker 1: easy for bullets to get lost, right, and by that
Speaker 1: I mean just get so destroyed and what not by
Speaker 1: impact that there's not really much of anything to find.
Speaker 1: That happens all the time. It's really rare, and I
Speaker 1: would argue impossible to discharge a twelve gage shotgun with
Speaker 1: any kind of shot shell in a fucking hotel like
Speaker 1: this and not have there be some sign.
Speaker 3: Of what you They make holes in things, that's what
Speaker 3: they're full.
Speaker 1: They make multiple holes unless it's a slug, but then
Speaker 1: they make a really big hole. And Cold had specifically
Speaker 1: written that he was not intending to use slugs. In
Speaker 1: his manifesto suicide know, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: he specifically stated that he was using a twelve gage
Speaker 1: loaded with buckshot because he wanted to reduce the chances
Speaker 1: of overpenetration and of injuring or killing someone he did
Speaker 1: not intend to hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about his background, maybe
Speaker 2: a few other things from that man festo. I know, Robert,
Speaker 2: you've done some digging into that.
Speaker 1: I did the normal thing that at least one of
Speaker 1: us does, generally all of us do in some form
Speaker 1: ever after every kind of mass shooting or like publicly
Speaker 1: notable terror attack or whatever, and just found myself looking
Speaker 1: through a stranger social media. Yeah, there's been a bunch
Speaker 1: a couple of good articles out about him now, most
Speaker 1: of like the first things that we knew about this guy,
Speaker 1: Like the very first fact is when his name came out,
Speaker 1: there were two different guys who kind of lived in
Speaker 1: the Torrance area who were immediately like there were responses
Speaker 1: under Cole Thomas Allen or Cole Allen. And one of
Speaker 1: them was like some fucking white dude who worked at
Speaker 1: I think it was a consulting firm or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't very but he just looked like he might
Speaker 1: have been thirty. And the other was Cole Thomas Allen,
Speaker 1: and it was him winning a Teacher of the Year
Speaker 1: award at the he worked at a company that was
Speaker 1: basically doing like top college test prep tutoring. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was a teacher. Some people that are really
Speaker 1: angry at the description of him as a teacher because
Speaker 1: they're being like, he's trying to like bad public school teachers.
Speaker 1: He's not a public school teacher, but there are other
Speaker 1: kinds of teachers. He was a teacher of the month
Speaker 1: at the tutoring academy that he worked at. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had found by the time I got there, which
Speaker 1: is like twenty minutes after the name started spreading, the
Speaker 1: Facebook page of the school that he worked or of
Speaker 1: the tutoring academy whatever that he worked at, which I'm
Speaker 1: not going to name, but it was hundreds of posts
Speaker 1: already being like good to see this is who's teaching
Speaker 1: your kids, you know, like you hired a terrorist all
Speaker 1: this kind of like yeah, yeah, it's it's it's bleak,
Speaker 1: It's the normal thing that happens, you know, with anything
Speaker 1: related to this in this case. Right after that, Trump
Speaker 1: posted a picture of the detained and stripped, mostly naked
Speaker 1: gunman that was obviously the Cole Allen who had won
Speaker 1: the teacher of the month, like immediately visible, like you could.
Speaker 1: It was a positive idea was very quick from that
Speaker 1: point on. So at that point a couple other things
Speaker 1: started coming out, because you know, I had I had
Speaker 1: looked through from that Facebook page. I had found a
Speaker 1: couple other posts about Cole Thomas Allen are different places
Speaker 1: where he had accounts, which made a couple other details
Speaker 1: of his background obvious. He was a mechanical engineering student
Speaker 1: in cal Tech kind of during the first Trump administration. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know that was honestly, like most of what was
Speaker 1: like immediately obvious is that like he'd been an engineering
Speaker 1: student at cal Tech, he'd worked as a teacher, and
Speaker 1: he'd been a part of In his Lincoln you can
Speaker 1: see that he'd been a part of Caltech's Christian Fellowship
Speaker 1: and the NERF Club, right, Yeah, Now, Ken Klippenstein talked
Speaker 1: to one of his co fellow peers during this period
Speaker 1: of time who knew that while he was at NERF Club,
Speaker 1: cal had like kind of led there was like a
Speaker 1: conflict within the club over people modifying and otherwise altering
Speaker 1: their NERF guns to make them more resemble real weapons,
Speaker 1: as NERF has also come out with more guns that
Speaker 1: look like real guns over the years, and he was
Speaker 1: really against this, Like he was very against the idea
Speaker 1: of like NERF guns that were modified to look like
Speaker 1: real guns or just like people playing with things that
Speaker 1: looked like real guns. Now, fast forward to the actual
Speaker 1: day of the shooting. His blue Sky account got found
Speaker 1: fairly quickly alongside the LinkedIn. Obviously, that got deleted in
Speaker 1: very short order, but it was archived, thankfully by a
Speaker 1: very nice person who realized that it would probably be
Speaker 1: useful to have actual documentation about what this guy was
Speaker 1: doing online rather than rely on a bunch of different
Speaker 1: articles making claims. So I went through all of that,
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as it came out. He had
Speaker 1: about five hundred followers, who was following about one hundred
Speaker 1: and fourteen people. He did not post often on his own,
Speaker 1: but when he did, in like the two different occasions
Speaker 1: I could find of him like posting on his own
Speaker 1: in this incomplete archive of his Blue Sky one of
Speaker 1: them was him posting in like sympathy and solidarity with Ukraine,
Speaker 1: which is something that was very consistent. He reposted a
Speaker 1: ton of different fundraisers from different Ukrainian military units.
Speaker 2: That was in his user bio as well's support for Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was massively supportive of Ukraine and very angry
Speaker 1: at the Trump administration's failure to follow through with US
Speaker 1: obligations in that regard. And the only other post of
Speaker 1: his that was like him writing something that I saw
Speaker 1: was him basically critiquing an article about using AI in
Speaker 1: the classroom, and like people who were advocated use of
Speaker 1: AI in the classroom, he's very much against that. He
Speaker 1: was a reposter, though he was a reposter, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about like some of the things he reposted. His
Speaker 1: bio read hi, I'm a random Californian guy, with posts
Speaker 1: about American politics, support for Ukraine, and observations of small creatures.
Speaker 1: And then he includes a quote, I choose my own battlefields,
Speaker 1: not through my blood, but with my heart. I stand
Speaker 1: on the battlefield to protect what I want. So that
Speaker 1: is I like type that quote in And that is
Speaker 1: a quote from an anime, the same anime that his
Speaker 1: his profile picture was also from this specific anime, which
Speaker 1: is Kagura. I don't know how that's pronounced. I think
Speaker 1: the character that he had is PfP of was Kagura.
Speaker 1: It's the like red haired lady with these weird like
Speaker 1: ball things on either side of her hair, Like I
Speaker 1: don't fully know how to describe this lady's hairstyle. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like vaguely Princess Leiah esque. And that appears
Speaker 1: to be who's his PfP photo is Okay, the series
Speaker 1: is called Gintama. I don't know much about this. I've
Speaker 1: heard people online being like, oh, he was a fan
Speaker 1: of like this anime. That means something or other, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't actually understand enough about the anime to give
Speaker 1: much of an analysis of that. I think it's just
Speaker 1: people being like because of the character he likes, it
Speaker 1: makes sense that he's a guy who would do something
Speaker 1: very extreme. I don't know enough about the anime to
Speaker 1: say how relevant that is, but the quote kind of
Speaker 1: does sound relevant to what he actually did, Like, I
Speaker 1: stand on the battlefield to protect what I want. And
Speaker 1: you can read stuff like that in as manifesto. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can read stuff like that as manifesto, which we'll
Speaker 1: talk about. His actual reposts are very normal, lib coded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a liberal, hugeally supportive of Ukraine. Thing about Palestine
Speaker 1: in there, nothing about Israel in there. Photo has since
Speaker 1: come out that appears to be legitimate of him wearing
Speaker 1: like an IDF shirt some time ago. He doesn't say
Speaker 1: anything again. In the limited we don't also have we
Speaker 1: don't have his whole blue sky in here. In the
Speaker 1: limited archive we have, I don't see anything of him
Speaker 1: like him talking at all about Israel. So I don't
Speaker 1: have enough to say that, like he was strongly supportive,
Speaker 1: but he certainly there's a real discrepancy between how he
Speaker 1: talks about Ukraine and him mentioning anything at all about
Speaker 1: what's happening in Gaza, right, yea.
Speaker 2: What is believed to be his Twitter account has also
Speaker 2: been scraped, and not as well archives, but there's screenshots
Speaker 2: of reposts on Twitter, reposting Brianna Wu with some criticism
Speaker 2: of pro Palestine protesters or things that are critical of
Speaker 2: Palestine and in a nominal way supportive of Israel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's kind of hard to tell. Was he
Speaker 1: just more quiet about this online because he wanted to avoid,
Speaker 1: you know, getting dogpile or is this just something that
Speaker 1: as the genocide gut worse and worse, he became less
Speaker 1: willing to talk about. I don't know, but it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's just noteworthy how much, like how absent
Speaker 1: that kind of discussion is next to how often he
Speaker 1: talks about.
Speaker 2: Next to the Ukraine stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he also posted a bunch of very normal posts.
Speaker 1: There was one from a user you know, if you
Speaker 1: guys remember like a week or so ago, The New
Speaker 1: York Times published an interview with Hassan Piker the streamer,
Speaker 1: and the article was titled the rich don't play by
Speaker 1: the rules, So why should I? Why petty theft might
Speaker 1: be the new political protest. It's where Hassan tried to
Speaker 1: introduce the term micro alluding to the discourse, which I
Speaker 1: don't support at all. But it was like a pro
Speaker 1: shoplifting kind of like are you kind of taking a
Speaker 1: casual and jokey pro shoplifting argument, right? I don't want to.
Speaker 1: People have blown this out of proportion. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: that he came down against Hassan's side on that. He
Speaker 1: was basically reposting someone who was like, hey, I've been
Speaker 1: a lot of I've spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: countries where graft and grifting are like normal, and it's
Speaker 1: really bad for that to happen. You don't want that
Speaker 1: to happen into your country. So he's certainly not like
Speaker 1: the on the far left, like direct action is good,
Speaker 1: I love committing crimes anarchists side of things. He is
Speaker 1: not at all that kind of guy. He is a
Speaker 1: will Stancilite. He is a lot of will Stancel reposts,
Speaker 1: a lot of Will Stancil posts. Yeah, yeah, he reposted
Speaker 1: me a couple of times. He posted me like talking
Speaker 1: about like the pope right, like because making fun of
Speaker 1: Trump for calling the Pope soft on crime, Like not
Speaker 1: any of my like spicy takes, right.
Speaker 2: Just like viral posts on Blue Sky.
Speaker 1: He didn't do a lot of spicy takes. He reposted
Speaker 1: a lot of normal viral stuff you'd expect. He was
Speaker 1: really angry about COVID nineteen. He hates Elon Musk. He
Speaker 1: reposted a lot of like, you know, Elon Musk wants
Speaker 1: poor African children to die, like kind of content talking
Speaker 1: about that after some of the more recent articles about
Speaker 1: how many people died in as a result of like
Speaker 1: the American like aid cuts that Musk was a major pardon.
Speaker 1: He was very angry about that. Reposted Bill Crystal saying
Speaker 1: abolish ice, okay. And there's a couple of different posts
Speaker 1: that he shared about or from people who were criticizing
Speaker 1: the White House Correspondence dinner and particularly like when Jake
Speaker 1: Tapper fucking made a post about like here's the napkins
Speaker 1: that we've got that have like freedom of the press,
Speaker 1: you know, the First Amendment stuff on it that like
Speaker 1: was supposed to be, like, this is our protest against
Speaker 1: the president, right, Like we've got these these monogram napkins.
Speaker 1: And he made fun of that, like a lot of
Speaker 1: people did. He was generally critical of anyone who would
Speaker 1: be at the Correspondence dinner, which was reflected in his
Speaker 1: manifesto where he said that, like the journalists and the
Speaker 1: other people at the event who are not in the
Speaker 1: administration aren't my targets. And you know, he said he
Speaker 1: didn't want to hit them, but also he was quote
Speaker 1: I would still go through most everyone here to get
Speaker 1: to the targets if it were absolutely necessary, on the
Speaker 1: basis that most people chose to attend a speech by
Speaker 1: a pedophile, rapist and trader and are thus complicit. But
Speaker 1: I really hope it doesn't come to that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another interesting bit from his manifesto's quote administration officials
Speaker 2: not including mister Patel, they are targets prioritized from highest
Speaker 2: ranking to lowest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting parenthetical.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's just because some people were joking
Speaker 1: after that article came out about how cash Pattel they
Speaker 1: had to like break down his door because he was
Speaker 1: too drunk to reach people were joking like, maybe it's
Speaker 1: best if Cash stays in office because he's so I wonder.
Speaker 2: If that was the joke he was making. Unclear what
Speaker 2: he meant by that.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't give us any reason to believe also,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't share any jokes like that, right, so
Speaker 1: that is kind of legitimately baffling.
Speaker 2: Now, most of the manifesto is like apologizing to people
Speaker 2: he knows yep, for how this will be like a
Speaker 2: disruptive and then talking about his own rules of engagement, yes,
Speaker 2: which he says, quote probably in a terrible format, but
Speaker 2: I'm not military, so too bad unquote yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting because he had also shared at
Speaker 1: least one post on blue that was like kind of
Speaker 1: pro gun control, that was like talking about how it's
Speaker 1: bad to have a gun, basically like it increases the
Speaker 1: danger that you're in, which it did for this guy.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting in terms of the firearms he chose,
Speaker 1: because this is clearly a guy who supports more gun control.
Speaker 1: He seems to find it distasteful certainly to like celebrate guns,
Speaker 1: right and celebrate like military style weapons. I kind of
Speaker 1: wonder if he picked the firearms he picked because they
Speaker 1: did not look like the pistol, didn't look like a
Speaker 1: glock or like the standard police guns that he sees
Speaker 1: people owning, and a shotgun doesn't look like an AR fifteen.
Speaker 2: Like AAR fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of wonder, although he says it was
Speaker 1: to minimize penetration, so maybe that's more likely.
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to mention is because the
Speaker 2: tootgun was purchased in August, and he does make a
Speaker 2: few references in the manifesto too, Yes, like thinking of
Speaker 2: having done something like this for quite a while, but
Speaker 2: this was his first opportunity that he saw that seemed
Speaker 2: semi possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also had the thought that, well, when
Speaker 1: he bought the shot because he specifically states that he
Speaker 1: wants to use a shotgun to minimize like casualties, then
Speaker 1: the date at which he bought the shotgun might be
Speaker 1: the date at which he decided he was going to
Speaker 1: do this right, or it might be the point which
Speaker 1: he started taking actions. It would make sense that maybe
Speaker 1: that would be around when he had started planning to
Speaker 1: do this, And you know, there's so much different shit
Speaker 1: happened around August of twenty twenty five. It's kind of
Speaker 1: impossible to say. This is definitely it. I did notice
Speaker 1: that August twenty fifth, twenty twenty five is when Trump
Speaker 1: issued his additional measures to address the crime Emergency in
Speaker 1: the District of Columbia Executive Order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the military occupation of DC.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and this is when Trump is really and
Speaker 1: a bunch of there's a bunch of different news stories
Speaker 1: around Trump trying to deploy the National Guard in US cities,
Speaker 1: and I kind of wonder if maybe that's when he
Speaker 1: but that's purely theoretical. There was a lot of other
Speaker 1: bad stuff happening then, you know, so who's to say.
Speaker 1: He also seems to be angry about our war against Iran,
Speaker 1: like the fact, like the war of choice that Trump
Speaker 1: launched against Iran. He didn't get a post a lot
Speaker 1: about it, But there are some references in the manifesto
Speaker 1: that kind of make me feel like that may have
Speaker 1: also been like a major thing that helped push him
Speaker 1: to make this decision. Yeah, because he specifically stated that
Speaker 1: I'm a citizen of the United States of America. What
Speaker 1: my representatives do reflects me, and I am no longer
Speaker 1: one to permit a pedophile, rapist, and trader to coat
Speaker 1: my hands with his crimes, right, Like, there's some reasons
Speaker 1: to believe that that probably played into it as well.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, he does sign the manifesto with his blue Sky username.
Speaker 2: He sure does Cold Force.
Speaker 1: Yeah he thought that was cool. Yeah, perhaps that.
Speaker 3: Was her name he used. I don't know, And there's
Speaker 3: nothing activities or like it was maybe men something to him.
Speaker 1: Another thing that's probably worth talking about because Trump has
Speaker 1: made the claim several times this guy was anti Christian,
Speaker 1: that hatred of Christianity is what drove him. Ye as
Speaker 1: I said before, in Caltech, he was a member of
Speaker 1: the Christian group. I'll talk about that in a second.
Speaker 1: But in his manifesto he specifically justifies what he's doing
Speaker 1: as a Christian. There is a segment in there where
Speaker 1: he's going through like some objections he knows people in
Speaker 1: his life will have and kind of rebutting them. An
Speaker 1: objection one is as a Christian, you should turn the
Speaker 1: other cheek. Rebuttal turning the other cheek is for when
Speaker 1: you yourself are oppressed. I'm not the person raped in
Speaker 1: a detention camp. I'm not the fisherman executed without trial.
Speaker 1: I'm not a school kid blown up or a child
Speaker 1: starved or a teenage girl abused by the many criminals
Speaker 1: in this administration. Right, so he specifically is justifying this
Speaker 1: as a Christian on Christian grounds. He thanks his church,
Speaker 1: which seems to have been a major part of his life.
Speaker 1: So there's a quote from Ken Klippenstein's article about his
Speaker 1: time at Caltech. He was pretty prominent at the Caltech
Speaker 1: Christian Fellowship, pretty Christian and mellow. If I didn't see
Speaker 1: his face eating carpet, I would have never believed it.
Speaker 1: And then I found a Christianity Today piece that just
Speaker 1: came up a few hours ago, and a line from
Speaker 1: that is Alan's father, Thomas Allen, was listed as an
Speaker 1: elder at Grace United Reformed Church and Torrance, and an
Speaker 1: evangelical congregation that describes itself as preaching a God that
Speaker 1: is Christ centered, covenental, and confessional. The church's leadership page
Speaker 1: and social media pages have been pulled down, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. They had to have like security guards,
Speaker 1: armed guards, like escort worshippers inside and out this weekend,
Speaker 1: just because of all of the press around this. Elizabeth
Speaker 1: ter Linden, who also knew him at the time, told
Speaker 1: The New York Times he was definitely a strong believer
Speaker 1: in evangelical Christianity. At the time that I knew him,
Speaker 1: she was in the Celtic Christian Fellowship with him. So
Speaker 1: this guy appears to have been like a very strong
Speaker 1: evangelical Christian, like a liberal Christian. We don't exactly know
Speaker 1: was he always was his Christianity always like progressive and
Speaker 1: like liberal tinted, or was he kind of more conservative
Speaker 1: at a different point in his life. We do know
Speaker 1: that within the last couple of years he got involved
Speaker 1: in left wing activism in Los Angeles. His sister told
Speaker 1: law enforcement that after he got more involved in left
Speaker 1: wing activism, particularly a group who called themselves the White Awakes,
Speaker 1: which was referencing an anti slavery protest in the eighteen sixties.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, right, Like these are some of the
Speaker 1: people who like back Lincoln. So he joined some group
Speaker 1: and Alick has called the White Awakes for some period
Speaker 1: of time. He starts talking more radically, starts showing up
Speaker 1: to more protests, and I think he's helping with a
Speaker 1: couple of different kinds of things, with a couple of
Speaker 1: different groups. But that's when his sister says, he starts
Speaker 1: making like a lot more radical statements and maybe sometimes
Speaker 1: aggressive statements. And that lines up with when he buys
Speaker 1: a gun and he starts training after twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: So this may have just been a thing where he
Speaker 1: didn't have a full plan at that point, but he
Speaker 1: accepted the possibility that he might need to do violence
Speaker 1: in order to support, you know, his his ideals. We
Speaker 1: don't really know, but that's that's all we've gotten in
Speaker 1: terms of a journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in October of twenty twenty four, he did make
Speaker 2: one donation to the the pircial campaign via Act.
Speaker 1: Twenty five dollars. Yeah, but not a lot of not
Speaker 1: a long history of donations to the party, not a
Speaker 1: long history of like volunteering for the Democratic Party specifically.
Speaker 1: Seems to have been a pretty loyal voter. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is a guy who I think really during like
Speaker 1: the it would be during the Biden years, gets more
Speaker 1: involved in like left wing protests and organizing. He becomes angrier,
Speaker 1: and then after twenty twenty four he gets really really
Speaker 1: angry at Trump and eventually, probably some time late last year,
Speaker 1: decides to take action and for whatever reason, picks the
Speaker 1: Correspondent's dinner to do it. It's probably also worth noting
Speaker 1: that he sends this manifesto thing out right before he
Speaker 1: carries out the attack, like he's staying in the hotel
Speaker 1: for a couple of days before all this happens.
Speaker 2: He booked two nights.
Speaker 1: We actually get him to reflect a little on the
Speaker 1: security that he's experienced while he's been there, and that's
Speaker 1: a really interesting part of this. He says, I expected
Speaker 1: security cameras at every bend, bugged hotel rooms, armed agents
Speaker 1: every ten feet, metal detectors out the wazoo. What I got,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they're pranking me, is nothing. No damn security,
Speaker 1: not in transport, not in the hotel, and not in
Speaker 1: the event. Like, the one thing that I immediately noticed
Speaker 1: walking into the hotel is the sense of arrogance. I
Speaker 1: walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person
Speaker 1: there considers the possibility that I could be a threat.
Speaker 1: Crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Most of the security seemed to be isolated around the
Speaker 2: actual ballroom and the levels immediately above and below.
Speaker 1: And again he doesn't get anywhere close to the president
Speaker 1: or any other important person. Right, so you could argue
Speaker 1: the security did its job. He was just in the
Speaker 1: same hotel. But yeah, crazy stuff. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't have anything else.
Speaker 2: Let's go on ad break and then return to briefly
Speaker 2: discuss some of the conspiracy theories that have spawned after
Speaker 2: this alleged shooting.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, we are back. Immediately after the event took place,
Speaker 2: tons of conspiracy theories started cropping up, obviously piggybacking off
Speaker 2: of the Butler Pennsylvania ones. This was not helped by
Speaker 2: the confusion in early reports because once you get every
Speaker 2: journalist in DC in one room and then an event happens,
Speaker 2: that means every journalist has a kind of different version
Speaker 2: of the event that gets immediately blasted out online and
Speaker 2: on the news. So there was not a clear sequence
Speaker 2: of events. In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, there
Speaker 2: was reports that maybe was just dishes being dropped. Eventually
Speaker 2: it was clear that no, there was an actual shooting,
Speaker 2: and Wolf Flitzer did lose a shoe in the course
Speaker 2: of the events.
Speaker 1: He sure did. Poor Wolf out.
Speaker 2: Also not helping things, Trump was basically live truthing this
Speaker 2: investigation on the night of the shooting. Uh huh, and
Speaker 2: it was not clear to many people that the shooting
Speaker 2: did not happen on the ballroom level, and that the
Speaker 2: shooter did not get close to the targets.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, the people in the main room were still
Speaker 1: very scared because like, oh, they had no real context
Speaker 1: on what was happening, and everyone around them just started
Speaker 1: freaking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's the military running around, secret Service running around,
Speaker 2: they heard gunshot se Yeah, it is a frightening thing.
Speaker 2: You're seeing g d Vance get pulled off stage. Trump's
Speaker 2: ducking down.
Speaker 1: What I do feel is kind of interesting about this
Speaker 1: is you've got this whole DC class of like press
Speaker 1: and other important people who are not in power themselves
Speaker 1: but are close to it, and they do a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that they do because they like being
Speaker 1: close to power, and there's this illusion that comes with that.
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of these people of importance
Speaker 1: that gets ripped away when the Secret Service pulls all
Speaker 1: of the people who are important out of the room
Speaker 1: and you're just left wondering if you're in danger. Like
Speaker 1: that's what it'll be like if there's a nuclear war.
Speaker 1: All of these people will suddenly have the few folks
Speaker 1: who have a detail get ripped out of the room,
Speaker 1: and then you'll just hear the sirens start and have nothing,
Speaker 1: no idea what's happening, and realize that your whole life
Speaker 1: in pursuit of being close to power has brought you
Speaker 1: no security, crazy stuff, wild times anyway, Garrison.
Speaker 2: One of the core pieces of quote unquote evidence that
Speaker 2: was used to assert that the shooting was some kind
Speaker 2: of false flag or psyop was a comment made by
Speaker 2: Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt shortly before the dinner. This speech
Speaker 2: tonight will be classic Donald J.
Speaker 3: Trump.
Speaker 1: It'll be funny, it'll be entertaining, there will be some
Speaker 1: shots fired tonight. The great stuff.
Speaker 2: Poor choice of words. They are on behalf of the
Speaker 2: Press secretary.
Speaker 1: Excellent choice of words.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, though, like it's not a Dann Brown level.
Speaker 3: When people are actually plotting conspiracy, they they go around
Speaker 3: leaving the little easter eggs for you to find.
Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, why why else would there why else
Speaker 2: would the deep State orchestrate like a top a top
Speaker 2: level secret secret syop and not not decide to leave
Speaker 2: little clues beforehand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got they have to leave little clues, Garrison.
Speaker 1: Have you listen to Alex Jones. That's part of the
Speaker 1: deal they make with the demons is that they have
Speaker 1: to They have to leave little clues for the evil
Speaker 1: that they're doing while they're doing it.
Speaker 2: They call that the Riddler's law.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, that's right now.
Speaker 2: Another thing that got amplified in the conspiratorial milieu was
Speaker 2: a Twitter account with a Pepe profile picture wearing the
Speaker 2: same outfit as President Trump the night of the Dinner,
Speaker 2: who tweeted the alleged shooter's name about two and a
Speaker 2: half years ago. This post is the account's only visible post.
Speaker 2: The banner image of the account is a bunch of
Speaker 2: streaks of color, but if you overlay the image of
Speaker 2: Trump holding his fist up in the air at Butler,
Speaker 2: the color streaks and the darkened areas line up with
Speaker 2: the Trump Butler photo.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The alleged shooter also had an undergraduate research fellowship at
Speaker 2: NASA for the summer of twenty to fourteen, and the
Speaker 2: name of this Twitter account matches the name of someone
Speaker 2: at lockeed Martin who published a NASA paper at the
Speaker 2: same time that the shooter was at NASA, and the
Speaker 2: shooter worked for the Jet Propulsion Lab, the same labs
Speaker 2: that those scientists who have gone missing also have been
Speaker 2: working out of. When I saw this, I started feeling
Speaker 2: a little bit scared because I thought I was getting
Speaker 2: I don't know, I was afraid.
Speaker 3: Needing help.
Speaker 2: But this is. But that's not all because the Pepe
Speaker 2: the Pepe Twitter account was also connected to a time
Speaker 2: travel study, because the color streak banner photo was traced
Speaker 2: to a website on how to build a time machine,
Speaker 2: and this photo was used on the web page for
Speaker 2: the time machine study. So what's what's what's really going
Speaker 2: on here? First of all, this this quote unquote time
Speaker 2: machine website is actually a europe based project for quote
Speaker 2: three D digitalization of cultural heritage, scanning like artifacts and
Speaker 2: uploading them online as like three D models. That's their
Speaker 2: quote unquote time machine is preserving cultural heritage. Yes, an
Speaker 2: archive and actually this color streak image has actually been
Speaker 2: floating around the Internet for a long time. I found
Speaker 2: versions since at least twenty eighteen. There are hundreds of
Speaker 2: people named Cole Allen in the US on data broker sites.
Speaker 2: Right now, the first archive of this Pepe Twitter account,
Speaker 2: whose profile picture only matches Trump's because it's a tuxedo,
Speaker 2: one of the most common outfits for men at events
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is the same outfit that Trump was wearing
Speaker 1: at the dinner. It's also the same outfit Trumps worn
Speaker 1: at every dinner, because it's what you wear at dinners
Speaker 1: if you're the President Texieda.
Speaker 2: But the first archive of this post is from after
Speaker 2: the shooting, so we don't know what this account looked
Speaker 2: like prior to the shooting. Now, this account could have
Speaker 2: tweeted tons of random names and then deleted all the
Speaker 2: other posts to pull a stunt like this, or people
Speaker 2: at Twitter, like you know, x everything up. The people
Speaker 2: who work there could have backdated the account and the
Speaker 2: post to boost engagement on the platform. Now, those aren't
Speaker 2: any more likely than just a simple coincidence, but there
Speaker 2: are other explanations other than gesturing vaguely towards a pre
Speaker 2: planned psyop. Spreading images of this a Twitter account isn't
Speaker 2: necessarily putting forward a specific conspiracy theory. It just gets
Speaker 2: used as a data point among other unconnected data points
Speaker 2: to sow public mistrust and undermine reality inferring meaning from
Speaker 2: odd coincidences. Right, this is seeing patterns that aren't there
Speaker 2: and literally in the case of seeing the Butler photo
Speaker 2: in a splash of colors, and again, like why would
Speaker 2: quote unquote they drop hints beforehand, right, is this is
Speaker 2: this predictive programming. But predictive programming isn't really necessary to
Speaker 2: get the public to accept an event like an attenpted assassination.
Speaker 2: In fact, that would only sew suspicion. Dropping these little
Speaker 2: hints just so suspicion for an event like this, It
Speaker 2: doesn't actually make it more acceptable.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The whole idea of predictive programming is sowing seeds to
Speaker 2: get the public to accept an otherwise unacceptable thing, and
Speaker 2: that's not necessary for a presidential assassination.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, there are some other things that propped up in
Speaker 2: this conspiratorial shenanigans. In the wake of the shooting. A
Speaker 2: Fox News reporter was calling in to report her experience
Speaker 2: at the dinner and suddenly cut out when she started
Speaker 2: talking about something that Carolyn Levitt's husband said to her.
Speaker 5: He kind of leaned over and said, you know, I
Speaker 5: watched your on TV. DoD a great job. You need
Speaker 5: to be very safe. And he was just very serious
Speaker 5: when he said that to me, and he kind of
Speaker 5: looked around the room and he said, you know, there are.
Speaker 6: Some sounds like we lost to Aisha's phone there.
Speaker 2: Well, well, well, what so her audio actually cuts out
Speaker 2: at different points during this televised call. The anchor said
Speaker 2: that she was having sell service issues, and later on
Speaker 2: x this reporter posted that she was about to say
Speaker 2: at Carolyn Levitt's husband was quote telling me to be
Speaker 2: careful with my own safety because the world is crazy unquote.
Speaker 2: But it does make for a funny moment, a funny
Speaker 2: moment of telet.
Speaker 1: That's a good moment. That's an incredible time for your
Speaker 1: call to cut out, Like just awesome stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's other other viral posts spreading video of the military
Speaker 2: storming past the red carpet or people in military fatigue
Speaker 2: storming past the red carpet after the shooting, with one
Speaker 2: person writing quote, law enforcement doesn't act like this. Neither
Speaker 2: does the military. This is a staged event with a
Speaker 2: shitty script and pre positioned cameras unquote. The cameras are
Speaker 2: there because they're there to film the red carpet. Their physician.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is an organization where all the press gathered.
Speaker 2: This is a press event. That's why there's pre positioned cameras.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's how you do you know, the White
Speaker 1: House correspondence dinner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh so you're going to see some types of
Speaker 3: corps you have never previously scene when someone tries to
Speaker 3: assassinate the president. Oh yeah, there are a whole lot
Speaker 3: of people whose job it is to stop that happening.
Speaker 3: Lots of them on necessarily uniformed officers who you see
Speaker 3: every day in the Secret Service.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Other people also thought it was odd that Trump has
Speaker 2: skipped every correspondent to dinner across his two terms except
Speaker 2: for this one. And then all of a sudden there's
Speaker 2: a shooter in the lobby. How did the shooter know
Speaker 2: that Trump would go to this one? Because the shooter
Speaker 2: planned planned this since early April. How would the shooter
Speaker 2: know this? Well, that's actually quite simple, because Trump announced
Speaker 2: he was attending this dinner in early March, and according
Speaker 2: to Core documents, Cole Allen started searching for information about
Speaker 2: this dinner in early April, a month later, before then
Speaker 2: booking two nights at the Washington Hilton, Trump already announced
Speaker 2: that he was going to be attending the dinner. The
Speaker 2: oddest aspect of the conspiracism post this event is that
Speaker 2: Trump needed to stay each this not for any national
Speaker 2: security reasons or to seize more power, but to construct
Speaker 2: the White House ballroom, which has been the main thing
Speaker 2: that people on the right have been talking about after
Speaker 2: the shooting. The people on the right have not been
Speaker 2: using this shooting to like go after liberal terrorists, but
Speaker 2: have been talking NonStop about how this security breach demonstrates
Speaker 2: the need to construct Trump's massive ballroom, and that's the
Speaker 2: main thing they're talking about.
Speaker 1: It's so funny the idea that.
Speaker 2: They would stage that the deep state it's gonna stage
Speaker 2: a false flag just to push for the ballroom. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is to me, frankly, very funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We don't get an enabling Act in our new fascists,
Speaker 1: We just get a fucking ballroom. Yeah yeah, right, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I guess I prefer this, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Reichs tick fire to construct a nice dance floor.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, just yeah. I mean a lot of this
Speaker 3: was like centered on the safety insecurity exemption which was
Speaker 3: provided in the injunction against the building of the new ballroom.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: The issue here is that the Trump administration already filed
Speaker 3: on the third of April a claim that the entire
Speaker 3: building was a contiguous hole. They couldn't do the security
Speaker 3: part without doing the fancy dance floor part right, Like, yes,
Speaker 3: Trump has also truced about this. Previous to this event,
Speaker 3: this wouldn't have really added anything. Yeah, they did try
Speaker 3: and get the National Trust for Historical Preservation to withdraw
Speaker 3: their court case, which they didn't against subsequently to this,
Speaker 3: the events of the White House correspondence.
Speaker 2: You So, yeah, that's most of what I have on
Speaker 2: the conspiracy stuff. There's certainly more, but.
Speaker 3: Oh does more. Yeah, we're going to leave it.
Speaker 2: There's always going to be more, right, Like, that's that's
Speaker 2: the way how it is. We all have good data
Speaker 2: on like the widespread belief of this theory that there was.
Speaker 2: There was a poll that circulated that said like something
Speaker 2: like forty seven percent of Democrats thought the attempted assassination
Speaker 2: was staged. But this poll, which is from the Manhattan Institute,
Speaker 2: so take that with a grain of fascism. This poll
Speaker 2: is actually pulling the Butler shooting, not this recent one,
Speaker 2: and people did not acknowledge that when they were spreading
Speaker 2: this poll around. So we don't know how many people
Speaker 2: actually believe that this shooting was staged, but you can
Speaker 2: certainly see a lot of people asserting as such on
Speaker 2: the internet. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Shall we move on to a couple of other topics
Speaker 3: we need to cover.
Speaker 2: Yes, this will be a super super sized episode, but
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go talking to people talking about things of
Speaker 3: the internet. I think some people got this one get
Speaker 3: a little carried away. As three zero decision of a
Speaker 3: panel of Second Circuit Court judges has rejected ICE's mandatory
Speaker 3: detention of people seeking to deport, with a few exceptions.
Speaker 3: The opinion was written by Judge Bianco, who is a
Speaker 3: Trump appointee, stated that quote, petitioner entered the United States
Speaker 3: and lawfully in two thousand and four or two thousand
Speaker 3: and five, and has resided here ever since. He is
Speaker 3: therefore deemed to be an applicant for admission by section
Speaker 3: one two to five A, that he is not quote
Speaker 3: seeking admission because he is not requesting lawful entry into
Speaker 3: the United States after inspection authorization. The government's attempt to
Speaker 3: muddy these textually clear waters defies the statute's contact structure, history,
Speaker 3: and purpose, contradicts of Supreme Court dicta in Jennings, and
Speaker 3: long standing executive branch practice, and its interpretation of statute
Speaker 3: raises serious constitutional questions. It should be avoided even if
Speaker 3: the statutory language were ambiguous. The statute in question here
Speaker 3: is the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, and specifically the fact that it has
Speaker 3: a mandatory detainer for people quote unquote seeking admission to
Speaker 3: the USA. Now, this ruling puts the Second Circuit in
Speaker 3: agreement with over three hundred and seventy judges across the nation,
Speaker 3: but notably odds with the Fifth and Eighth Circuit. Right,
Speaker 3: Judge Bianco, in a really incredibly New York and analogy
Speaker 3: here for seeking admission wrote, if someone sneaks into Yankee
Speaker 3: Stadium at the start of the game with no ticket
Speaker 3: for admission and no intention of ever paying, and he
Speaker 3: is later found by security in a seat in the
Speaker 3: seventh inning, no one would consider that to be seeking
Speaker 3: admission to the game. So hopefully that's that explained to
Speaker 3: people that the argument that the government is making here
Speaker 3: is that someone who has been in the country for
Speaker 3: a long period of time is still seeking admission.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: The Trump administrations place itself for odds with other administrations. Right,
Speaker 3: this has been lost since nineteen ninety six, as Bianco wrote,
Speaker 3: quote for five presidential administrations over nearly three decades, it
Speaker 3: did consistently release detainees on bond, whom the government now
Speaker 3: argues are covered by section one two two five B
Speaker 3: two A. Even in President Trump's first term and the
Speaker 3: first few months of his second, the agency adhered to
Speaker 3: the decades old understanding and the relative scopes of sections
Speaker 3: one two two five and one two two six. And
Speaker 3: these circumstances, the fact that no president has ever found
Speaker 3: such power in the statute is strong evidence that it
Speaker 3: does not exist. That pretty much explains itself, right. What
Speaker 3: I have not been able to work out is whether
Speaker 3: this pertains to people who are detained, as in who
Speaker 3: are arrested in the Second Circuit, or people who are
Speaker 3: held in the Second circuit or both. My guess would
Speaker 3: be both, because it is the law in the second circuit, right,
Speaker 3: so it applies in the second circuit. Certainly, most attention
Speaker 3: facilities are not in the Second circuit. A lot of
Speaker 3: them are in the Fifth, which has come down the
Speaker 3: opposite way on this. This is why the Supreme Court exists, right,
Speaker 3: big disagreement between these several circuit courts. Here, moving on
Speaker 3: to talk about the border wall. Before leaving office, Secretary
Speaker 3: no massigned several waivers for border walk struction. This was
Speaker 3: not in a week before she left office, but this
Speaker 3: year one of them waived twenty eight laws in the
Speaker 3: Big Bend area of Texas. The waiver included a one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five miles of the riverfront of the
Speaker 3: Rio Grande, including parts of the state park, National Park,
Speaker 3: and federally protected river. These some of these areas are
Speaker 3: very popular for outdoor recreation. These waivers are now being
Speaker 3: challenged in court by the Center for Biological Diversity. They're
Speaker 3: attitudes on you'll see them in a lot of border
Speaker 3: legal cases. The Friends of Roridosa Church and a telling
Speaker 3: were river guide named Billy Miller. It's an interesting coalition,
Speaker 3: right that we don't often see, like a church group
Speaker 3: has the sort of approach to this that it would
Speaker 3: destroy historical and cultural heritage to build the wall there. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the river guy, Billy Miller, Mister Miller has the claim
Speaker 3: that it would be disruptive to have business and to
Speaker 3: people's enjoyment of nature on the river. Currently, what they
Speaker 3: are doing is focusing on Chispa Road. It's Neil like Valentine, Texas,
Speaker 3: northwest of Marfa, where the carrying Garrett road improvements that
Speaker 3: they did not notify county officials about, which is obviously
Speaker 3: course to disruption. I've actually ridden my bike out there
Speaker 3: a fair bit. Did some work making a film out
Speaker 3: there a few years ago. It's a really beautiful part
Speaker 3: of the country. I'm sure a lot of people will
Speaker 3: be familiar with Marfa, which is nearby.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a great city, great.
Speaker 3: Muffa's great. I love that area of Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I watched it all burn down one beautiful beautiful
Speaker 1: when the horrible fires started. Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet geez. Luckily Marfa has recovered.
Speaker 1: Great place to visit.
Speaker 3: You can go and see the Prata Store, which people
Speaker 3: now think is AI generated, which is great. Our reality
Speaker 3: is cool.
Speaker 1: You can go see the Jud Foundations or the Chinnati Foundation,
Speaker 1: the Donald jud Museum. You know a lot of other
Speaker 1: good stuff Alan Marfa pretty good geez sandwich restaurant.
Speaker 3: Pretty fancy glamping set up there as well. Ye. So
Speaker 3: I checked out the CBP smart All Interactive map, which
Speaker 3: sometimes they don't always have to give notice when they're
Speaker 3: changing their plans, or sometimes you find out via the
Speaker 3: smart All Interactive map. Right now, it shows vehicle barriers
Speaker 3: and patrol road planned inside the National Park. Right, so
Speaker 3: this will cause damage far far beyond the riverfront. Evidently,
Speaker 3: to build barriers at the riverfront, they have to build
Speaker 3: roads to get to a riverfront, which will also spread
Speaker 3: this damage over an area that like, especially in Texas.
Speaker 3: Texas is not a state which is abundant with public
Speaker 3: land now. It is not like those states further west
Speaker 3: in that regard. And I know this is an area
Speaker 3: which is very special to a great deal of people.
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in rang more about this, So, like
Speaker 3: especially people in the outdoor industry or folks in that region,
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you. You can do cool
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