WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Correspondents Shooting, Voting Rights Act

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House. They're crumbling

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<v Speaker 2>world and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans. This episode

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<v Speaker 2>recovering the week of April twenty second April thirtieth. Anything

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<v Speaker 2>anything interesting happened this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Very little? Not much news?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh not much. I mean, Garrison, you've joined the ranks

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<v Speaker 1>of the vaccine injured, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, yeah, go full so joining us of four

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<v Speaker 3>live vaccines inside Garrison's bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you for having me and my four

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<v Speaker 2>live vaccines which have obliterated my body and mind this

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<v Speaker 2>week as I scrambled to finish them on Donnie Piece.

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<v Speaker 2>But news happens whether or not I feel bad, So

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<v Speaker 2>let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I seem to happen a lot when we've

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<v Speaker 3>seed sometimes inspire us that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we will talk about the thing. Obviously, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the thing, but first some smaller news items to start.

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<v Speaker 2>Congress has voted to end the seventy six day DHS

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<v Speaker 2>shutdown without funding for ice or border patrol. The bill

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<v Speaker 2>now goes to Trump today and if he signs it,

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<v Speaker 2>the shutdown will be over. The House voted to reauthorize

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<v Speaker 2>FAISA section seven oh two, the warrant list of surveillance authority.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty two House Democrats voted to reauthorize twenty two Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>voted against the bills expected to be stalled in the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate at least this version of the bill, as it

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<v Speaker 2>included an amendment about digital currency, which the Senate will

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<v Speaker 2>fight over. The ATF released a new list of proposed

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<v Speaker 2>reforms and regulations, repealing the Biden pistol brace rule, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as requiring quote unquote biological sex be used on

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<v Speaker 2>ATF forms. The State Department is releasing a limited edition

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<v Speaker 2>passport for the United States two hundred and fiftieth anniversary,

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<v Speaker 2>featuring a portrait of President Trump superimposed on the Declaration

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<v Speaker 2>of Independence and an American flag with his golden signature below.

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<v Speaker 2>Google Trump Golden Signature for more.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm just gonna say, if we have any foreign

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<v Speaker 1>border control agents listening, you have to detain anybody you

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<v Speaker 1>see that passport.

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<v Speaker 3>It is now possible for Nicki Minaj, and only Nicki

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<v Speaker 3>Minaj to assemble the most unique collection of United States

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<v Speaker 3>government documents in history if she become a citizen, because

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<v Speaker 3>she is apparently the only recipient of the Gold.

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<v Speaker 1>Card, that's the Golden Visa.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, she could, really, she could really get a

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<v Speaker 3>unique but you know, Pokemon combination here of I guess

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<v Speaker 3>she'd have to advance pretty quickly for a moment you would.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not clear how one goes from Gold Card citizenship,

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<v Speaker 3>and the only way we'll find out is by closely

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<v Speaker 3>following Nicki Minaj.

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<v Speaker 2>The DOJ indicted former FBI doctor James Comey for the

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<v Speaker 2>second time, this time for posting an Instagram image with

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers eighty six forty seven. Once again. Trump's FCC

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<v Speaker 2>is going after Disney's ABC licenses by directing Disney to

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<v Speaker 2>file an early renewal order. After Jimmy Kimmel made a

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<v Speaker 2>joke a few days before the White House Correspondents Dinner

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<v Speaker 2>about First Lady Milania Trump having the quote glow of

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<v Speaker 2>an expectant widow. It pains me to say critical support

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<v Speaker 2>to Jimmy Kimmel. President Trump, David Allison, Todd Blanche Stephen Miller,

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Weiss, Paramount's chief legal officer and several CBS journalists

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<v Speaker 2>met in a closed door dinner in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week. As the paramount buyout of Warner Brothers and

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<v Speaker 2>CNN progresses nightmare blunt rotation, main governor Janet Mills vetoed

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<v Speaker 2>the state's eighteen month data center moratorium, the first of

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<v Speaker 2>its kind in the country. Days later, Mills dropped out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Senate race, paving the way for populist candidate

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Plattner to receive the Democratic nomination and go up

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<v Speaker 2>against Susan Kah in the midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>Must it seemed to already be behind him a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of post from the Democrats account, Patrick Graham.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party kind of falls in line behind this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>given the fairly unique degree of controversy over the Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo and a couple of other things that have come up.

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<v Speaker 1>But this has been in general, the gap between kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how random progressives and Democrats online talk about Platner

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<v Speaker 1>and how people in Maine feel about him has been

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<v Speaker 1>massive from the jump, and I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it has to do just with the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>guy went about campaigning in a very dedicated way. He

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<v Speaker 1>visited basically every county that like he could, And it

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show that the consensus that builds online around

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<v Speaker 1>candidates will never matter as much as like what they're

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<v Speaker 1>out there actually doing in the world. And it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>useful to get a reminder of that, whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you think this is a tremendous disaster, just to agree

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<v Speaker 1>to which all of the talk about this guy online

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<v Speaker 1>had no impact on his ability to actually like win. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a unique case. There aren't a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of seats that are like the seat that he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be taking right in terms of like both the

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<v Speaker 1>weakness of your primary rival and the weakness of the

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<v Speaker 1>other party if you should happen to win the primary. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not every congressional district, but it's still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an interesting case study.

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<v Speaker 3>Maine is also like it's not California, you know, like Californian,

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<v Speaker 3>so discourse happens on likes we're of vast state and

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<v Speaker 3>you know these big cities insertion, and Maine is different,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he has good ground game and that matters more there,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>And this signifies like a rejection of democratic establishment. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sessions like a hunger for change yep. And the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that someone with all the controversies that come with Platner

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<v Speaker 2>was able to beat the democratic establishment I think shows

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<v Speaker 2>how hungry, how hungry people are to upseat these these

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<v Speaker 2>bloodsucking monsters.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll keep reporting on that. I'm kind of interested

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<v Speaker 3>in this race.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, absolutely mean, Susan Collins plays a unique role

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate right now. Finally for me. On Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>a car bomb exploded at a police station in Dunmurrae,

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<v Speaker 2>Northern Ireland, outside Belfast. A group calling itself the quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote New IRA claimed responsibility and a sixty six year

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<v Speaker 2>old man has been arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, New IRA, sixty six year old man. Well, the

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<v Speaker 3>new IRAS's it grows out of the real IRA.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, was it the new IRA who killed that journalist

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<v Speaker 1>a few years back in Belfast?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, I don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>The New IRA yep admitted responsibility. Yeah, yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>New IRA as well. Lara McKee is the name of

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<v Speaker 1>the journalist who was killed. Okay, I think just out

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<v Speaker 1>of negligence and incompetence during an action these people were

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<v Speaker 1>a part of.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is like just before COVID times. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>do you remember? So Two large vessels, including a tanker,

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<v Speaker 3>have been seized by pirates off some mind Aalia. Another

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<v Speaker 3>attempted hijacking by pirates was prevented. I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 3>quote the uk mto here quote the master of a

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<v Speaker 3>cargo vessel was approached by two small fishing vessels with

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<v Speaker 3>armed persons support. One vessel approached within six hundred meters.

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<v Speaker 3>Warning shots were fired and the suspicious craft returned fire.

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<v Speaker 3>The suspicious boat moved away and made clear of the vessel.

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<v Speaker 3>All crew are safe and accounted for. Vessels are advised

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<v Speaker 3>to transit with caution and report any suspicious activities to

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<v Speaker 3>uk MDO authorities are investigating. I saw another incident where

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<v Speaker 3>a ship had fired a flair people who were allegedly

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<v Speaker 3>attempting to board it. Right that, it seems like there

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<v Speaker 3>has been an uptick in an instant, especially as ships

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<v Speaker 3>generally are having a hard time right now. The United

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<v Speaker 3>States has also been boarding a number of vessels to

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<v Speaker 3>inspect them as part of its blockade on Iran and

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<v Speaker 3>Iranian goods. Secondly, j nim that Ali Islam Uhile muslimin

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<v Speaker 3>and the aswadl Boration Front in Maley launched a shock

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<v Speaker 3>offensive this week that saw them sweep into Mali's capital,

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<v Speaker 3>assassinate the defense minister, and force the military Hunter and

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<v Speaker 3>it's allied Russian forces to abandon whole cities. They also

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<v Speaker 3>abandoned a number of bases right there. J and I

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<v Speaker 3>am have captured like massive amounts of Russian Africa core material.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is a pretty ground shaking offensive, a big

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<v Speaker 3>change for Mali. The Hunter in miammar I still keep

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<v Speaker 3>calling them that they've rebranded themselves as a civilian government.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Min A Lang gets retired as a general and just

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<v Speaker 3>become president and change closed and done the same shit

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<v Speaker 3>like the Hunter reclaimed Falarm this week, which using Chin State.

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<v Speaker 3>It's capital of Chin State. Fighting has been happening there

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<v Speaker 3>for months. I've been talking to people pretty regularly who

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<v Speaker 3>are taking part in the in the battle there. They're obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they lost friends in the battle. They are

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<v Speaker 3>not happy about this, but I think it's fair to

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<v Speaker 3>say that spirits among the resistance Germany remained pretty high

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<v Speaker 3>and they hope that they'll return to Falam soon enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Doug Bergham has announced a United States Geographic Geographical Geological.

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<v Speaker 1>Survey USGS geological server. Yeah, I know that because of

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<v Speaker 1>the film Evolution starring David Dukovny.

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<v Speaker 3>Not familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an important piece of news for the listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a brief period of time in between X

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<v Speaker 1>Files and Californication where we thought that David Dukeoveny might

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<v Speaker 1>have a career as a comedic actor.

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<v Speaker 2>And no he did not that he might have a career.

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<v Speaker 2>I love he said a great.

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<v Speaker 1>Just not as a comedic actor.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Doug Bergham has announced that the United States

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<v Speaker 3>Geological Survey found enough lithium to replace three centuries of

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<v Speaker 3>imports in Appalachia.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough left the end to do that or make one

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<v Speaker 1>American small town normal for a weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I want to read from this because it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of interesting. Quite The southern Appalachians hold an estimated one

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<v Speaker 3>point four to three million metric tons of lithium oxide

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<v Speaker 3>concentrated in the Carolinas, and the northern apple Achians holding

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<v Speaker 3>estimated nine hundred thousand metric tons concentrated in Maine and

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<v Speaker 3>New Hampshire, according to estimates in a new U SGS

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<v Speaker 3>scientific paper. That is like I guess Big Appalachia like

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<v Speaker 3>going up into Maine there leaving that aside, Lithium mining

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<v Speaker 3>is incredibly disruptive to the environment, right, Yeah, Generally there's

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<v Speaker 3>two ways you could do it. You can extract it

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<v Speaker 3>from brine like they do in Chile, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>other places think they're trying to do that in California.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise it's open pit mining. The water use, energy use,

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<v Speaker 3>ecological damage will be huge, potential for disasters is not zero,

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<v Speaker 3>and the people of Appalacture should be more than familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with how this tends to go. Right, This is the

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<v Speaker 3>long history of mining and mining. Deserve is moving on.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump has reposted a tweet about changing the name

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<v Speaker 3>of Ice to nice Nice Agents.

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<v Speaker 1>They should do this. I want them to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be absolutely disastrous for audio journalisms.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be like, look, we understand, you know, it's nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty three. People have a lot of issues with the Gestapo.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna call them the fun stoppo now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the nice Stoppo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the great style process now stands for super sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, the White House account and the DHS account have

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<v Speaker 2>posted nice images or hype videos since this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have to consider there's like a forty chance

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<v Speaker 1>this happens at least.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, this might happen.

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<v Speaker 1>If this could very much happen, Like we're laughing, but

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<v Speaker 1>this could be the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what does the end stand for?

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<v Speaker 3>National?

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<v Speaker 1>National?

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's what they call a backronym.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Garrison with these guys could have stood for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of things. You think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so uh Trump, truth, great idea do it? That

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<v Speaker 3>is how policy is made these days.

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<v Speaker 2>This is huger and policy works now via via truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this has made something clear to me that I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of dancing around for all, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>I am in support in general of any policy that

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<v Speaker 1>just pulls the wool off of people's eyes like this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those things where it's now should

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<v Speaker 1>be clearer to even the really stupid people where we

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<v Speaker 1>are as a country when we do when something like

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<v Speaker 1>this happens, And so I'm supportive of it, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>can't have any artifice. The more you dress things up,

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<v Speaker 1>the more people get deranged. So at least this everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows what's happening. Yeah, really clear.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also Germany in favor of like they have a budget,

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<v Speaker 3>it is vast but it is fixed. And if they

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<v Speaker 3>want to spend it all rewrapping their vehicles to say Nice, yeah, fine,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna make them feel lame.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they gonna do that by buying end stickers or

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<v Speaker 2>do they have to get the whole new sticker? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think right? Do they slap the end?

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they just slap it in.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we want to open the open

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<v Speaker 3>door to them having stickers with then on that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>who knows. Garrison. They had previously spent quit a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of money wrapping vehicles, so it's not beyond them to

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<v Speaker 3>get Maybe they'll get a whole rebrand. Maybe it'll be

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<v Speaker 3>nice and a picture of someone like holding cake.

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<v Speaker 2>Or they got to find some way to spend the

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<v Speaker 2>seven bajillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they have so either that or you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>we get someone better in we could keep the name

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<v Speaker 1>but just create like a brand partnership with the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Nice. And I'm going to say that like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like and turn them into advertising. Instead of pulling people

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<v Speaker 1>away from their families. They can tell people about all

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<v Speaker 1>of the new deals on air Fair to France that

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<v Speaker 1>are available right now.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even need to abolish Nice.

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<v Speaker 3>We can just perform it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we could just we could just perform it to

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<v Speaker 1>a tourism agency for one city in France.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a type of biscuit in Britain which I

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<v Speaker 3>suspect maybe comes from Nice. But if Germany referred to

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<v Speaker 3>as a Nice biscuit because it has Nice stamped on

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<v Speaker 3>the biscuit, sure so perhaps we could instead of guns

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<v Speaker 3>and give them biscuits and they can hand those out.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of how much better it'll be. Some guy shows

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<v Speaker 1>up for his like, you know, immigration court meeting, and

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<v Speaker 1>he finishes that and on his way out, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>delegation of guys from from Nice just being like, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go on vacation one of France's top five

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<v Speaker 1>or six cities.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume the niceise cops. Yeah, they give you, like

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<v Speaker 3>one of their special salads they make there with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so many. Yeah, it could be great.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit us up, it could be this could work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're the mayor of Nice, we can we

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<v Speaker 3>can introduce you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, the United States has indicted the governor of Sino

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<v Speaker 3>Law on drug grafficking charges, which is a pretty significant thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's not as funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, no, no, well I'm not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>brand rebranding as clearly the.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of not being funny, let's actually talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>bad news this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On Wednesday, the Supreme Court struck down a Louisiana voting

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<v Speaker 2>map as a quote on constitutional racial gerrymander that effectively

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<v Speaker 2>created a black voting district. The ruling was split six

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<v Speaker 2>three on ideological lines, Alido who wrote the majority opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that the district violated the equal Protection clause of

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution. The new ruling substantially undermines the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five Voting Rights Act, reinterpreting Section two provisions against racial

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<v Speaker 2>discrimination to require evidence of intentional racial discrimination, not just

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<v Speaker 2>discrimination as the effect, so in the future, proving discriminatory

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<v Speaker 2>motives may be needed in order to win legal challenges

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<v Speaker 2>against gerrymandering. By citing the Voting Rights Act. This ruling

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<v Speaker 2>specifically depowers black voters while enabling Republican jerrymandering to continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans in the South will now be able to redraw

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<v Speaker 2>House district maps that lean Democrat, that have a high

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<v Speaker 2>number of Black voters, and prstmates at least fifteen House

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<v Speaker 2>districts are now at risk of elimination. In the dissent,

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Alana Kagan wrote, the court's decision will set back

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<v Speaker 2>the foundational right Congress granted of racial equality in electoral

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity unquote.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>This is possibly the worst escalation of the continued undermining

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<v Speaker 2>of the Voting Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, I mean, this is inarguably the

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<v Speaker 1>most important thing going on this week, even with the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting that we haven't talked about, like the gutting of

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<v Speaker 1>laymore people died for Like, the Voting Rights Act has

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<v Speaker 1>a body count attached to it. Yeah, the court has

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<v Speaker 1>to be packed the next Like, if there's ever another

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<v Speaker 1>democratic or left of center administration and they don't pack

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<v Speaker 1>the court, there's simply no chance of improving or fixing

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<v Speaker 1>any of the problems this country has. Like it's a

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<v Speaker 1>necessary prerequisite.

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<v Speaker 3>It's no coming back from this.

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<v Speaker 2>DC and Porto ricurls need to become states and have

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<v Speaker 2>their own congressional representation. Any future opposition administration has to

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<v Speaker 2>go completely gloves off, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we have to imprison a bunch of the

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<v Speaker 1>people currently running things. Yeah, Like, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that has to happen. But one of those is

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court needs to get packed, because, by god,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are not going to approve of anything that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't insane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unclear if this rulely will have immediate impacts on

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<v Speaker 2>the upcoming midterms, but by twenty twenty eight it will

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<v Speaker 2>certainly have impacts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they had filed for an emergency decision on redistruting

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<v Speaker 3>or I guess not redistruting like predistrict. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what you would call that, better to get this in

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<v Speaker 3>effect before the midterms.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yeah, the Supreme Court also sent us to a

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<v Speaker 2>lower court to work out more details. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>obviously be ongoing litigation about it, just as there will

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<v Speaker 2>be about Florida's redistricting measure that they are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>finalize before the midterms as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and indeed Californias. I think there have been some arguments,

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<v Speaker 3>may like, now that this decision had been made by

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court, right, like, the states will have to

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<v Speaker 3>consider this in their redistricting. Should we take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>We shall, and then we can talk about the dinner. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we are back. Let's talk about the dinner. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the shooting that happened at the dinner, the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone else has been talking about for the past

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<v Speaker 2>five six days. So yeah, on April twenty fifth, during

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<v Speaker 2>the White House Correspondence dinner, Everyone's favorite event.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a shame we weren't there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is unfortunate that we were not there to point

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<v Speaker 2>our vertical video at our face as the news happens

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<v Speaker 2>in front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I would have been filming just your face, Garrison

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<v Speaker 1>and just like really tight in, like to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where it's it's difficult for you to get up and move.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep wedging No Garrison face the camera. Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>people need to see.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be assuming the war fight apostume.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get up like kank Seth and storm around. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I would also be shielding myself behind Stephen Miller's wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Hed been protecting the wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way. Funny, Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at least at least Miller wasn't wasn't getting cooked,

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<v Speaker 2>unlike the FBI director.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is funny that he abandoned his wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, girlfriend, girlfriend, girlfriend, Sorry, I guess we should

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<v Speaker 3>just go. Let's recap the events for people who live

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<v Speaker 3>under a rock.

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<v Speaker 2>So shortly before eight thirty pm, the alleged shooter approached

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service security screening checkpoint located on the terrace

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<v Speaker 2>level of the hotel. This was the level above the

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<v Speaker 2>ballroom level where the actual dinner was taking place. James,

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<v Speaker 2>we should probably just read from the court document.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I'm I'm going to read this straight

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<v Speaker 3>from the government's THEFJ statement and in court. Right before

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<v Speaker 3>the dependant approached the checkpoint, he discarded a long black

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<v Speaker 3>coat that concealed a twelve gage pump action shook. The

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<v Speaker 3>defendant then sprinted through one of the magnetometers at the

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<v Speaker 3>checkpoint and ran in the direction of the stairs leading

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<v Speaker 3>to the ballroom where the President and members of his

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<v Speaker 3>family and cabinet were located. As the defendant did so,

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<v Speaker 3>he held a shotgun in both hands in a raised

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<v Speaker 3>position parallel to the ground. A United States Secret Service

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<v Speaker 3>officer observed the defendant fire the shotgun in the direction

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<v Speaker 3>of the stairs leading down to the ballroom. The Secret

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<v Speaker 3>Service officer and others at the checkpoint heard the gun shot.

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<v Speaker 3>The Secret Service officer drew his service weapon and fired

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<v Speaker 3>five times that the defendant. The defendant fell to the

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<v Speaker 3>ground and was restrained by law enforcement and was placed

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<v Speaker 3>under arrests. The defendant suffered a minor injury to his knee,

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<v Speaker 3>but was not shot. We can in a second talk

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<v Speaker 3>about whether he shot the Secret Service officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's an interesting Washington Post review that's out

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<v Speaker 1>too now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and a couple of court documents just filed today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk a little bit about the just circumstances, is right,

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<v Speaker 3>this person had purchased. According to court documents, he purchased

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<v Speaker 3>two weapons from separate firearm stealers in California, buying a

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<v Speaker 3>shotgun on or about August seventeenth, twenty twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 3>a pistol on or about October sixth, twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the pistol for a while. The shotgun was a

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<v Speaker 2>more of a recent purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the pistol is a fascinating choice, amazing choice. Thirty

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<v Speaker 3>eight Super Yeah, I have never seen a thirty eight

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<v Speaker 3>super hanggun outside of them. They're very They're common in

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico because, yeah, they have a certain cachet and cultural value.

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<v Speaker 1>Every thirty eight superhandgun that I have personally held was

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<v Speaker 1>in Boston. Gold and silver yeah, yeah, and usually a

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican flag, but not exclusively.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or like some sort of heraldry that denotes but

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<v Speaker 3>it's associated sometimes with organized crime, Like I'm not when

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<v Speaker 3>I say associated with organized crime. A few weeks ago, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I talked about a material support for terrorism case which

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<v Speaker 3>centered on a firearms dealer who was selling grips for

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<v Speaker 3>thirty thirty eight super pistols with images that are associated

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<v Speaker 3>with cartels. Like when you buy a thirty eight super

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<v Speaker 3>someone at the ATF gets an email. I bet like

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<v Speaker 3>these things are very rare and that they have a

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<v Speaker 3>certain consumer base.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, obviously there are normal thirty eight super pistols that exist.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just like today, most people buy because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird moon round too. There's not a it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>normal like it's not there's nothing wrong with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a round that's commonly carried. It's expensive. It's

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<v Speaker 1>primarily something that has like cachet for drug dealers. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess also my interpretation and I guess we're I know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is getting too much into my says side

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<v Speaker 1>of things, but I do have a theorist to why

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<v Speaker 1>he would have picked this gun and the shotgun that

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<v Speaker 1>he picked. But we can talk about that later if

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<v Speaker 1>you want.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get that in the sack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He also had a I believe two knives and four daggers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>six bladed weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Really want to see pictures of those bladed weapons?

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<v Speaker 3>They are in the court documents, buddy, let me have you.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me let me just find those for you.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an enhanced image of some of them too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we should talk about this. The government submitted

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<v Speaker 3>a quote unquote enhanced image in the court case. Mister

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<v Speaker 3>Allen took a picture of himself at about eighth three pm,

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<v Speaker 3>so about half an hour before he rushed past the magnetometer.

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<v Speaker 3>There in the picture we can see he is wearing

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<v Speaker 3>black suit pants. He is wearing a black shirt. He

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<v Speaker 3>has a red tie which inexplicably is tucked into his pants.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a shoulder holster and a large k by

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<v Speaker 3>knife in a in a downwards draw configuration. He is

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<v Speaker 3>carrying a pair of pliers and a pair of wirecutters

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<v Speaker 3>in a holster on its left side. On his right side,

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<v Speaker 3>he is carrying a small leather bag which allegedly contained

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<v Speaker 3>more shotgun rounds, and the nineteen eleven is in a

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<v Speaker 3>prester or shoulder holster.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>None of this screams highly trained.

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<v Speaker 2>The quote unquote enhanced image was basically a zoomed in

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<v Speaker 2>the oh yeah copy of this photo that if I

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 2>were to guess, the word enhanced means that they use

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 2>some kind of sharpening or AI image sharpening tool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, none of which are real in terms of

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 1>like none of which are actually enhancing or sharpening.

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.400
<v Speaker 2>The details that you are seeing should not be allowed

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:46.080
<v Speaker 2>in to be like viewed in court.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, the AI is guessing there's not

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:53.199
<v Speaker 1>extra data in the photo. The AI is uncovering, Like

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the AI is basically attempting to clean up an image,

0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 1>which is fine if you have like a blurry photo

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of you and like your white when you got in

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>your first apartment together, that you weren't cleaned up. Yeah,

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 1>but that's not it's not not. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure we'll see the defense challenges and I'll be

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:12.400
<v Speaker 3>interested to know, like what AI they used, and did

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 3>they did they ask for various iterations of the enhancement

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 3>or did they you know, like this will be interesting.

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that it materially inserting anything. We can

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 3>see the same Samsung phone. I can see the handle

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 3>of the knife in both imagies, I can see the

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 3>handle of their hang guns.

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 2>This is more of like a principal thing. Yeah, then, like,

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.919
<v Speaker 2>did this specifically affect the photo in this case in

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>any way that would lead to the evidence being more useful?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, this is a bad slippery slope.

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 3>So talking of his phone, he kept it with him

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 3>as he traveled across the country on a train, taking

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 3>notes about the landscape as he went Amtrak. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 3>he uh, he took Amtrak, and like he was enchanted

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 3>by like the deserts and they he liked Chicago. He

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.960
<v Speaker 3>thought the woods on the East coast were greatly.

0:25:58.080 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>He kept like a like a journal where he wrote

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 2>a the trap.

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah in the notesap of his phone.

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 3>And then the day of his attempted shooting, he used

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:10.640
<v Speaker 3>open sources to track the president's movements. Should we move

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 3>on to did he fire his gun?

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 2>That's a big because because that is a big question,

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>right now, Yeah, that's one half the question. The other

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 2>half is did he shoot a secret service ation? Which?

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, did he shoot anybody? M hm? The DOJ is

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>saying he fired a gun. The DOJ claims that, but

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 1>is not really affirmatively saying that he shot an agent. Yeah. No,

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 1>they They've said a couple of different things. They've said

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 1>that an agent was struck by gunfire. They've said that

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it was not friendly fire. But they have not said

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 1>that he was struck by the assailant shotgun, by the

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>gunman's actual weapon. And that's partly because there's not hard

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 1>evidence yet that the gunmen actually fired his shotgun.

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.719
<v Speaker 3>Let me read you what they fired in court today. Yeah,

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the evidence gathered Nadelie to date establishes that your client

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 3>fired his Mosburg twelve gage pumpaction shotgun at least one

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 3>time as he rampast some magnetometers on the terrace level

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 3>of the Washington Hilton on April twenty fifth, twenty twenty six.

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 3>When the weapon was recovered, had once spent cartridge case

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>in the chamber, which has been identified as having been

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 3>fired in the Mosburg shotgun. The government's preliminary ballistics video

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 3>analysis show that your client fired his shotgun in the

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 3>direction of Secret Service Officer VG, which Officer VG observed. Additionally,

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 3>at least one fragment was recovered from the crime scene

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 3>that was physically consistent with a single buckshot pellet. That

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 3>fragment was recovered from a location at the scene consistent

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 3>with your client firing his shotgun in the direction of

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Officer VG. The government is aware of no physical evidence,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>digital video evidence, or witness statements that are inconsistent with

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 3>the theory that your client fired his shotgun in the

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 3>direction of Officer VG, or the officer of VG was

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 3>indeed shot once in the chest while wearing a ballistic vest.

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 3>They go on them further to say, the government also

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 3>recovered five spent nine millimeters LUGA cartridge cases, each of

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.680
<v Speaker 3>which was determined to have been fired from Officer Veg's

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 3>service weapon. The government also identified five separate bullet holes

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 3>in the walls opposite from Officer VEG, consistent with the direction.

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 3>So Officer VEG fired his service weapon. That's like the

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 3>most Yeah, that's the most detail that we've seen from

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 3>them of their case. Right. His defense had previously suggested

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.160
<v Speaker 3>that the because of some of the public statements Attorney

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 3>General Blanche had made, the government may have e sculpatory

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 3>evidence either that he didn't fire his gun or that

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 3>he didn't shoot the Secret Service agent in question.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Which administration officials have gone on the news to say

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that the Secret Service agent did not shoot himself, which yes,

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>is not saying that another Secret Service agent did not

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>shoot him though.

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, And it doesn't seem like he shoutened to

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 3>like a plaster board wall. It seems right, so he

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 3>didn't maybe get splashed back, which is no.

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>The the only holes we've seen look like they came

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>from pistols, and that's something the Washington Posts actually did

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>like look into, because there's at least one there's a

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>couple I think of livestream videos that showed like holes

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>from a bullet in the wall. But the Post talked

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>to Rick Vasquez, the firearms consultant and former chief of

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the Firearms Technology Branch at the ATF or what was

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>then the ATF, who said that the holes were consistent

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>with handgun rounds. Now, that's not like a firearms technology.

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of wo there, but it's also pretty

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>easy to look. I mean, sometimes it could be kind

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>of messy because like the balls and like a double

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>lot buck shotshell are kind of similar in size to

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>nine millimeter right.

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Somewhere in the thirty caliber range, right, but they don't

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 3>tend to.

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Hit with the same kinds of patterns, right, Like, there

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>does tend to be a significant difference, especially that kind

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of range. The night of the shooting, or within a

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>few hours of a Trump posted security camera footage, and

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the Post got a hold of a higher resolution copy

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>of that footage and they went through like a frame

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>by frame analysis of it, because, as you noted, James,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>they claimed that Cole has charged his shotgun while he

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>was passing through the magnometers, the magnetometers. Right. They didn't

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>say it happened to elsewhere. They said it like as

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>he was going through that checkpoint that you can watch

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 1>him sprint through like he's fucking rudo running his way

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 1>into the correspondence dinner. And in their frame by frame analysis,

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the Post only found evidence of four muzzle flashes, all

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>of them from the agent who was allegedly struck by

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>something's weapon. Right, So, first off, I mean, and you

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>can hear in other footage, you can clearly hear more

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>shots than that, Like I don't doubt that there were

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that he discharged five shots, but the video only shows four,

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>And crucially, it does not show Cole's shotgun firing. And

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the video follows him until he goes off screen, So

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe whoever wrote that out should have written after passing

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>through the magnanometers. But they seem to pretty clearly be

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>saying it was while he was in that little security area.

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>And there's not evidence in the footage of him firing.

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>We don't see anything that looks like firing, Like nobody

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>reacts as if he has fired, Like there's there's just

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>no evidence that he shot. And you know, they're hinging

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot on the fact that there's a spent cartridge

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>in the chamber of his twelve gauge. But number one,

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that's actually not an uncommon way to store that kind

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>of twelve gage shotgun with a spent shell in the

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>in the breach, because it makes it easy if something

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>were to happen. It makes it easier to basically get

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>a fresh round in without needing to have a chambered

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>round at all times, which a lot of people, most

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>people don't like to do.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then don't drop say five that like it's

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 3>a bad idea to do that.

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to do that with a shotgun, you know.

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Is it possible that he was storing it that way?

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Is it possible that he loaded one an empty round

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>in there intentionally because he didn't actually he was hoping

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>to do a suicide by cop and he didn't intend

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>to actually shoot anybody. Is it possible he just fucked up.

0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>It's also perfectly possible he fired later. But but it's

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>really weird that they wrote it out that way, if

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're alleging, because we see him when he's

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>at the security checkpoint at the magnanometer and he doesn't

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>fire in the footage that we have.

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's been a lot of press statements that are

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>sort of talking around exactly not making the explicit statement

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 3>he fired his shotgun and he shot the officer in

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 3>the chest, right and certainly, like I'm not sure about

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>the distance we're talking about, Like, and then thus the

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 3>spread that would happen with.

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>It would be minimal spread even with a sod off

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>in a narrow corridor like that.

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you go by an inch per yard, right, Like,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 3>that's the amount that yeah, really spreads. And so if

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 3>you hit this person once, assuming this person has a

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>chest at twenty inches wide, Yeah, that doesn't line up, right. Yeah,

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 3>it might be different with bugshy.

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously if they had evidence that the secret

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.719
<v Speaker 2>cerviation was shot by mister Allen, we'd have seen it.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 2>They would be running with that. The fact that they

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>do not have evidence that the agent was shot by

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Alan is shown in the way that they're like talking

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>about this.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 3>He was shot, Yeah, and the guy discharged a shotgun.

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Separate statements, exactly two separate statements. Yeah, they're still affirming

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that the agent did not shoot himself, which does not

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>mean that he was not shot by another agent.

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's a in that Washington Post article. They

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>talked to Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and asked him

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>to explain, like why why are you guys never willing

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>to say, like where the round that hit the officer

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>came from? Right? They asked him the question that we've

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>been asking, and Blanche answered, we want to get that right.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>We're still looking at that. There you go, right, And

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that is a big change. As the Post notes of

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a day earlier, he told ABC that officials believe the

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>gunman had shot the officer, so he has led back,

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>which leads me to think maybe this guy didn't shoot

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>at all, or maybe he fired later, maybe even totally

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>by accident. Maybe when he was down he liked discharged,

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>but if so, also you would think there'd be a

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>photo somewhere of where he discharged the shotgun. It's surprisingly

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>easy for bullets to get lost, right, and by that

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean just get so destroyed and what not by

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.720
<v Speaker 1>impact that there's not really much of anything to find.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 1>That happens all the time. It's really rare, and I

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>would argue impossible to discharge a twelve gage shotgun with

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>any kind of shot shell in a fucking hotel like

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>this and not have there be some sign.

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Of what you They make holes in things, that's what

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 3>they're full.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 1>They make multiple holes unless it's a slug, but then

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>they make a really big hole. And Cold had specifically

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>written that he was not intending to use slugs. In

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>his manifesto suicide know, whatever you want to call it,

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 1>he specifically stated that he was using a twelve gage

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>loaded with buckshot because he wanted to reduce the chances

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 1>of overpenetration and of injuring or killing someone he did

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>not intend to hit.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk a little bit about his background, maybe

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 2>a few other things from that man festo. I know, Robert,

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>you've done some digging into that.

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I did the normal thing that at least one of

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 1>us does, generally all of us do in some form

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>ever after every kind of mass shooting or like publicly

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>notable terror attack or whatever, and just found myself looking

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.399
<v Speaker 1>through a stranger social media. Yeah, there's been a bunch

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.919
<v Speaker 1>a couple of good articles out about him now, most

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of like the first things that we knew about this guy,

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.479
<v Speaker 1>Like the very first fact is when his name came out,

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>there were two different guys who kind of lived in

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the Torrance area who were immediately like there were responses

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 1>under Cole Thomas Allen or Cole Allen. And one of

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>them was like some fucking white dude who worked at

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a consulting firm or something.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't very but he just looked like he might

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>have been thirty. And the other was Cole Thomas Allen,

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 1>and it was him winning a Teacher of the Year

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>award at the he worked at a company that was

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>basically doing like top college test prep tutoring. Right, Yeah,

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 1>so he was a teacher. Some people that are really

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>angry at the description of him as a teacher because

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>they're being like, he's trying to like bad public school teachers.

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>He's not a public school teacher, but there are other

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 1>kinds of teachers. He was a teacher of the month

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>at the tutoring academy that he worked at. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I had found by the time I got there, which

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>is like twenty minutes after the name started spreading, the

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Facebook page of the school that he worked or of

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the tutoring academy whatever that he worked at, which I'm

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>not going to name, but it was hundreds of posts

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>already being like good to see this is who's teaching

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>your kids, you know, like you hired a terrorist all

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>this kind of like yeah, yeah, it's it's it's bleak,

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>It's the normal thing that happens, you know, with anything

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 1>related to this in this case. Right after that, Trump

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>posted a picture of the detained and stripped, mostly naked

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>gunman that was obviously the Cole Allen who had won

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the teacher of the month, like immediately visible, like you could.

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a positive idea was very quick from that

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>point on. So at that point a couple other things

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 1>started coming out, because you know, I had I had

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>looked through from that Facebook page. I had found a

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>couple other posts about Cole Thomas Allen are different places

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>where he had accounts, which made a couple other details

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of his background obvious. He was a mechanical engineering student

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:15.479
<v Speaker 1>in cal Tech kind of during the first Trump administration. Yep,

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you know that was honestly, like most of what was

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 1>like immediately obvious is that like he'd been an engineering

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>student at cal Tech, he'd worked as a teacher, and

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>he'd been a part of In his Lincoln you can

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>see that he'd been a part of Caltech's Christian Fellowship

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and the NERF Club, right, Yeah, Now, Ken Klippenstein talked

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 1>to one of his co fellow peers during this period

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>of time who knew that while he was at NERF Club,

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>cal had like kind of led there was like a

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 1>conflict within the club over people modifying and otherwise altering

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>their NERF guns to make them more resemble real weapons,

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 1>as NERF has also come out with more guns that

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>look like real guns over the years, and he was

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>really against this, Like he was very against the idea

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of like NERF guns that were modified to look like

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 1>real guns or just like people playing with things that

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:06.720
<v Speaker 1>looked like real guns. Now, fast forward to the actual

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:09.759
<v Speaker 1>day of the shooting. His blue Sky account got found

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 1>fairly quickly alongside the LinkedIn. Obviously, that got deleted in

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>very short order, but it was archived, thankfully by a

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>very nice person who realized that it would probably be

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 1>useful to have actual documentation about what this guy was

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 1>doing online rather than rely on a bunch of different

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>articles making claims. So I went through all of that,

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, as soon as it came out. He had

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>about five hundred followers, who was following about one hundred

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and fourteen people. He did not post often on his own,

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but when he did, in like the two different occasions

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I could find of him like posting on his own

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>in this incomplete archive of his Blue Sky one of

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>them was him posting in like sympathy and solidarity with Ukraine,

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>which is something that was very consistent. He reposted a

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>ton of different fundraisers from different Ukrainian military units.

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>That was in his user bio as well's support for Ukraine.

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was massively supportive of Ukraine and very angry

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.439
<v Speaker 1>at the Trump administration's failure to follow through with US

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>obligations in that regard. And the only other post of

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>his that was like him writing something that I saw

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>was him basically critiquing an article about using AI in

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the classroom, and like people who were advocated use of

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>AI in the classroom, he's very much against that. He

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>was a reposter, though he was a reposter, and we'll

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about like some of the things he reposted. His

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 1>bio read hi, I'm a random Californian guy, with posts

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.800
<v Speaker 1>about American politics, support for Ukraine, and observations of small creatures.

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 1>And then he includes a quote, I choose my own battlefields,

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>not through my blood, but with my heart. I stand

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>on the battlefield to protect what I want. So that

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is I like type that quote in And that is

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a quote from an anime, the same anime that his

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:52.759
<v Speaker 1>his profile picture was also from this specific anime, which

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 1>is Kagura. I don't know how that's pronounced. I think

0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the character that he had is PfP of was Kagura.

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 1>It's the like red haired lady with these weird like

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 1>ball things on either side of her hair, Like I

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>don't fully know how to describe this lady's hairstyle. It's

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of like vaguely Princess Leiah esque. And that appears

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>to be who's his PfP photo is Okay, the series

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>is called Gintama. I don't know much about this. I've

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>heard people online being like, oh, he was a fan

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 1>of like this anime. That means something or other, but like,

0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't actually understand enough about the anime to give

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>much of an analysis of that. I think it's just

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>people being like because of the character he likes, it

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>makes sense that he's a guy who would do something

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>very extreme. I don't know enough about the anime to

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>say how relevant that is, but the quote kind of

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>does sound relevant to what he actually did, Like, I

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>stand on the battlefield to protect what I want. And

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>you can read stuff like that in as manifesto. Yeah,

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>you can read stuff like that as manifesto, which we'll

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about. His actual reposts are very normal, lib coded. Yeah,

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>he's a liberal, hugeally supportive of Ukraine. Thing about Palestine

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 1>in there, nothing about Israel in there. Photo has since

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.760
<v Speaker 1>come out that appears to be legitimate of him wearing

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>like an IDF shirt some time ago. He doesn't say

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>anything again. In the limited we don't also have we

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 1>don't have his whole blue sky in here. In the

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.839
<v Speaker 1>limited archive we have, I don't see anything of him

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 1>like him talking at all about Israel. So I don't

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 1>have enough to say that, like he was strongly supportive,

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>but he certainly there's a real discrepancy between how he

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:29.760
<v Speaker 1>talks about Ukraine and him mentioning anything at all about

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 1>what's happening in Gaza, right, yea.

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 2>What is believed to be his Twitter account has also

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>been scraped, and not as well archives, but there's screenshots

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>of reposts on Twitter, reposting Brianna Wu with some criticism

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>of pro Palestine protesters or things that are critical of

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Palestine and in a nominal way supportive of Israel.

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's kind of hard to tell. Was he

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>just more quiet about this online because he wanted to avoid,

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting dogpile or is this just something that

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 1>as the genocide gut worse and worse, he became less

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 1>willing to talk about. I don't know, but it's it's

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's just noteworthy how much, like how absent

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 1>that kind of discussion is next to how often he

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 1>talks about.

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Next to the Ukraine stuff.

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he also posted a bunch of very normal posts.

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 1>There was one from a user you know, if you

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>guys remember like a week or so ago, The New

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>York Times published an interview with Hassan Piker the streamer,

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and the article was titled the rich don't play by

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the rules, So why should I? Why petty theft might

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 1>be the new political protest. It's where Hassan tried to

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>introduce the term micro alluding to the discourse, which I

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 1>don't support at all. But it was like a pro

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 1>shoplifting kind of like are you kind of taking a

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>casual and jokey pro shoplifting argument, right? I don't want to.

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 1>People have blown this out of proportion. But it's interesting

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that he came down against Hassan's side on that. He

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>was basically reposting someone who was like, hey, I've been

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of I've spent a lot of time in

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>countries where graft and grifting are like normal, and it's

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>really bad for that to happen. You don't want that

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to happen into your country. So he's certainly not like

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the on the far left, like direct action is good,

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I love committing crimes anarchists side of things. He is

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.759
<v Speaker 1>not at all that kind of guy. He is a

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>will Stancilite. He is a lot of will Stancel reposts,

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Will Stancil posts. Yeah, yeah, he reposted

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 1>me a couple of times. He posted me like talking

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>about like the pope right, like because making fun of

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Trump for calling the Pope soft on crime, Like not

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>any of my like spicy takes, right.

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Just like viral posts on Blue Sky.

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>He didn't do a lot of spicy takes. He reposted

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of normal viral stuff you'd expect. He was

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 1>really angry about COVID nineteen. He hates Elon Musk. He

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 1>reposted a lot of like, you know, Elon Musk wants

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 1>poor African children to die, like kind of content talking

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>about that after some of the more recent articles about

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>how many people died in as a result of like

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the American like aid cuts that Musk was a major pardon.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>He was very angry about that. Reposted Bill Crystal saying

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.280
<v Speaker 1>abolish ice, okay. And there's a couple of different posts

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>that he shared about or from people who were criticizing

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the White House Correspondence dinner and particularly like when Jake

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Tapper fucking made a post about like here's the napkins

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 1>that we've got that have like freedom of the press,

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, the First Amendment stuff on it that like

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be, like, this is our protest against

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the president, right, Like we've got these these monogram napkins.

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 1>And he made fun of that, like a lot of

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>people did. He was generally critical of anyone who would

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>be at the Correspondence dinner, which was reflected in his

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>manifesto where he said that, like the journalists and the

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>other people at the event who are not in the

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 1>administration aren't my targets. And you know, he said he

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to hit them, but also he was quote

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I would still go through most everyone here to get

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to the targets if it were absolutely necessary, on the

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 1>basis that most people chose to attend a speech by

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 1>a pedophile, rapist and trader and are thus complicit. But

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I really hope it doesn't come to that, right.

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Another interesting bit from his manifesto's quote administration officials

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 2>not including mister Patel, they are targets prioritized from highest

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 2>ranking to lowest.

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, interesting parenthetical.

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's just because some people were joking

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>after that article came out about how cash Pattel they

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 1>had to like break down his door because he was

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>too drunk to reach people were joking like, maybe it's

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 1>best if Cash stays in office because he's so I wonder.

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 2>If that was the joke he was making. Unclear what

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 2>he meant by that.

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>But he doesn't give us any reason to believe also,

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't share any jokes like that, right, so

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that is kind of legitimately baffling.

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Now, most of the manifesto is like apologizing to people

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 2>he knows yep, for how this will be like a

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 2>disruptive and then talking about his own rules of engagement, yes,

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 2>which he says, quote probably in a terrible format, but

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not military, so too bad unquote yeah.

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's it's interesting because he had also shared at

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>least one post on blue that was like kind of

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 1>pro gun control, that was like talking about how it's

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>bad to have a gun, basically like it increases the

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 1>danger that you're in, which it did for this guy.

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:12.280
<v Speaker 1>But it is interesting in terms of the firearms he chose,

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>because this is clearly a guy who supports more gun control.

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>He seems to find it distasteful certainly to like celebrate guns,

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>right and celebrate like military style weapons. I kind of

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>wonder if he picked the firearms he picked because they

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 1>did not look like the pistol, didn't look like a

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:31.760
<v Speaker 1>glock or like the standard police guns that he sees

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.959
<v Speaker 1>people owning, and a shotgun doesn't look like an AR fifteen.

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Like AAR fifteen.

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of wonder, although he says it was

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>to minimize penetration, so maybe that's more likely.

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 2>The other thing I want to mention is because the

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 2>tootgun was purchased in August, and he does make a

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>few references in the manifesto too, Yes, like thinking of

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 2>having done something like this for quite a while, but

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>this was his first opportunity that he saw that seemed

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 2>semi possible.

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I also had the thought that, well, when

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>he bought the shot because he specifically states that he

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 1>wants to use a shotgun to minimize like casualties, then

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the date at which he bought the shotgun might be

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the date at which he decided he was going to

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 1>do this right, or it might be the point which

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>he started taking actions. It would make sense that maybe

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that would be around when he had started planning to

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>do this, And you know, there's so much different shit

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>happened around August of twenty twenty five. It's kind of

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 1>impossible to say. This is definitely it. I did notice

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that August twenty fifth, twenty twenty five is when Trump

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 1>issued his additional measures to address the crime Emergency in

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the District of Columbia Executive Order.

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the military occupation of DC.

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, and this is when Trump is really and

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of there's a bunch of different news stories

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.800
<v Speaker 1>around Trump trying to deploy the National Guard in US cities,

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of wonder if maybe that's when he

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 1>but that's purely theoretical. There was a lot of other

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>bad stuff happening then, you know, so who's to say.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.240
<v Speaker 1>He also seems to be angry about our war against Iran,

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:00.439
<v Speaker 1>like the fact, like the war of choice that Trump

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>launched against Iran. He didn't get a post a lot

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>about it, But there are some references in the manifesto

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that kind of make me feel like that may have

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>also been like a major thing that helped push him

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to make this decision. Yeah, because he specifically stated that

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm a citizen of the United States of America. What

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 1>my representatives do reflects me, and I am no longer

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 1>one to permit a pedophile, rapist, and trader to coat

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>my hands with his crimes, right, Like, there's some reasons

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 1>to believe that that probably played into it as well.

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, he does sign the manifesto with his blue Sky username.

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 2>He sure does Cold Force.

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he thought that was cool. Yeah, perhaps that.

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Was her name he used. I don't know, And there's

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 3>nothing activities or like it was maybe men something to him.

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Another thing that's probably worth talking about because Trump has

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>made the claim several times this guy was anti Christian,

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that hatred of Christianity is what drove him. Ye as

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I said before, in Caltech, he was a member of

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the Christian group. I'll talk about that in a second.

0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 1>But in his manifesto he specifically justifies what he's doing

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 1>as a Christian. There is a segment in there where

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>he's going through like some objections he knows people in

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.359
<v Speaker 1>his life will have and kind of rebutting them. An

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 1>objection one is as a Christian, you should turn the

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>other cheek. Rebuttal turning the other cheek is for when

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you yourself are oppressed. I'm not the person raped in

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.720
<v Speaker 1>a detention camp. I'm not the fisherman executed without trial.

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a school kid blown up or a child

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>starved or a teenage girl abused by the many criminals

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 1>in this administration. Right, so he specifically is justifying this

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>as a Christian on Christian grounds. He thanks his church,

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.360
<v Speaker 1>which seems to have been a major part of his life.

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 1>So there's a quote from Ken Klippenstein's article about his

0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>time at Caltech. He was pretty prominent at the Caltech

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Christian Fellowship, pretty Christian and mellow. If I didn't see

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 1>his face eating carpet, I would have never believed it.

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And then I found a Christianity Today piece that just

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>came up a few hours ago, and a line from

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 1>that is Alan's father, Thomas Allen, was listed as an

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>elder at Grace United Reformed Church and Torrance, and an

0:49:57.000 --> 0:50:00.320
<v Speaker 1>evangelical congregation that describes itself as preaching a God that

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>is Christ centered, covenental, and confessional. The church's leadership page

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and social media pages have been pulled down, and yeah,

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it's fucked up. They had to have like security guards,

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 1>armed guards, like escort worshippers inside and out this weekend,

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:17.080
<v Speaker 1>just because of all of the press around this. Elizabeth

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.399
<v Speaker 1>ter Linden, who also knew him at the time, told

0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 1>The New York Times he was definitely a strong believer

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>in evangelical Christianity. At the time that I knew him,

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 1>she was in the Celtic Christian Fellowship with him. So

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:29.360
<v Speaker 1>this guy appears to have been like a very strong

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:34.360
<v Speaker 1>evangelical Christian, like a liberal Christian. We don't exactly know

0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was he always was his Christianity always like progressive and

0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 1>like liberal tinted, or was he kind of more conservative

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 1>at a different point in his life. We do know

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that within the last couple of years he got involved

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>in left wing activism in Los Angeles. His sister told

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement that after he got more involved in left

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 1>wing activism, particularly a group who called themselves the White Awakes,

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>which was referencing an anti slavery protest in the eighteen sixties.

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, right, Like these are some of the

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>people who like back Lincoln. So he joined some group

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and Alick has called the White Awakes for some period

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.680
<v Speaker 1>of time. He starts talking more radically, starts showing up

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to more protests, and I think he's helping with a

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 1>couple of different kinds of things, with a couple of

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.440
<v Speaker 1>different groups. But that's when his sister says, he starts

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>making like a lot more radical statements and maybe sometimes

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.760
<v Speaker 1>aggressive statements. And that lines up with when he buys

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 1>a gun and he starts training after twenty twenty three,

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So this may have just been a thing where he

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a full plan at that point, but he

0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:33.720
<v Speaker 1>accepted the possibility that he might need to do violence

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in order to support, you know, his his ideals. We

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 1>don't really know, but that's that's all we've gotten in

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 1>terms of a journey.

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in October of twenty twenty four, he did make

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>one donation to the the pircial campaign via Act.

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Twenty five dollars. Yeah, but not a lot of not

0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>a long history of donations to the party, not a

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>long history of like volunteering for the Democratic Party specifically.

0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Seems to have been a pretty loyal voter. Yeah, but

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.640
<v Speaker 1>this is a guy who I think really during like

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.359
<v Speaker 1>the it would be during the Biden years, gets more

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>involved in like left wing protests and organizing. He becomes angrier,

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and then after twenty twenty four he gets really really

0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 1>angry at Trump and eventually, probably some time late last year,

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 1>decides to take action and for whatever reason, picks the

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Correspondent's dinner to do it. It's probably also worth noting

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that he sends this manifesto thing out right before he

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 1>carries out the attack, like he's staying in the hotel

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of days before all this happens.

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:32.240
<v Speaker 2>He booked two nights.

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>We actually get him to reflect a little on the

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.479
<v Speaker 1>security that he's experienced while he's been there, and that's

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting part of this. He says, I expected

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:44.760
<v Speaker 1>security cameras at every bend, bugged hotel rooms, armed agents

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.439
<v Speaker 1>every ten feet, metal detectors out the wazoo. What I got,

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 1>who knows, maybe they're pranking me, is nothing. No damn security,

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:51.799
<v Speaker 1>not in transport, not in the hotel, and not in

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:53.840
<v Speaker 1>the event. Like, the one thing that I immediately noticed

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 1>walking into the hotel is the sense of arrogance. I

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 1>walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 1>there considers the possibility that I could be a threat.

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Crazy stuff.

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Most of the security seemed to be isolated around the

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 2>actual ballroom and the levels immediately above and below.

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 1>And again he doesn't get anywhere close to the president

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:14.959
<v Speaker 1>or any other important person. Right, so you could argue

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the security did its job. He was just in the

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 1>same hotel. But yeah, crazy stuff. I don't know, I

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have anything else.

0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's go on ad break and then return to briefly

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 2>discuss some of the conspiracy theories that have spawned after

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:33.560
<v Speaker 2>this alleged shooting.

0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Love it.

0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we are back. Immediately after the event took place,

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:54.000
<v Speaker 2>tons of conspiracy theories started cropping up, obviously piggybacking off

0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 2>of the Butler Pennsylvania ones. This was not helped by

0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:01.600
<v Speaker 2>the confusion in early reports because once you get every

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 2>journalist in DC in one room and then an event happens,

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that means every journalist has a kind of different version

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of the event that gets immediately blasted out online and

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.800
<v Speaker 2>on the news. So there was not a clear sequence

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 2>of events. In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, there

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:21.400
<v Speaker 2>was reports that maybe was just dishes being dropped. Eventually

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 2>it was clear that no, there was an actual shooting,

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:27.280
<v Speaker 2>and Wolf Flitzer did lose a shoe in the course

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 2>of the events.

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:30.359
<v Speaker 1>He sure did. Poor Wolf out.

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Also not helping things, Trump was basically live truthing this

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 2>investigation on the night of the shooting. Uh huh, and

0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:40.280
<v Speaker 2>it was not clear to many people that the shooting

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>did not happen on the ballroom level, and that the

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 2>shooter did not get close to the targets.

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.879
<v Speaker 1>Well. Also, the people in the main room were still

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 1>very scared because like, oh, they had no real context

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>on what was happening, and everyone around them just started

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:55.839
<v Speaker 1>freaking out.

0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's the military running around, secret Service running around,

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:01.160
<v Speaker 2>they heard gunshot se Yeah, it is a frightening thing.

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:04.040
<v Speaker 2>You're seeing g d Vance get pulled off stage. Trump's

0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:04.600
<v Speaker 2>ducking down.

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 1>What I do feel is kind of interesting about this

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.320
<v Speaker 1>is you've got this whole DC class of like press

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and other important people who are not in power themselves

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:16.759
<v Speaker 1>but are close to it, and they do a lot

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:18.879
<v Speaker 1>of the things that they do because they like being

0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 1>close to power, and there's this illusion that comes with that.

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I think for a lot of these people of importance

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 1>that gets ripped away when the Secret Service pulls all

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:28.680
<v Speaker 1>of the people who are important out of the room

0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.399
<v Speaker 1>and you're just left wondering if you're in danger. Like

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what it'll be like if there's a nuclear war.

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 1>All of these people will suddenly have the few folks

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.839
<v Speaker 1>who have a detail get ripped out of the room,

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and then you'll just hear the sirens start and have nothing,

0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.440
<v Speaker 1>no idea what's happening, and realize that your whole life

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.759
<v Speaker 1>in pursuit of being close to power has brought you

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 1>no security, crazy stuff, wild times anyway, Garrison.

0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:54.480
<v Speaker 2>One of the core pieces of quote unquote evidence that

0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 2>was used to assert that the shooting was some kind

0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 2>of false flag or psyop was a comment made by

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt shortly before the dinner. This speech

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 2>tonight will be classic Donald J.

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Trump.

0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.719
<v Speaker 1>It'll be funny, it'll be entertaining, there will be some

0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:15.120
<v Speaker 1>shots fired tonight. The great stuff.

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Poor choice of words. They are on behalf of the

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Press secretary.

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Excellent choice of words.

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Also, though, like it's not a Dann Brown level.

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 3>When people are actually plotting conspiracy, they they go around

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 3>leaving the little easter eggs for you to find.

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.399
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Yeah, why why else would there why else

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:35.680
<v Speaker 2>would the deep State orchestrate like a top a top

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:40.520
<v Speaker 2>level secret secret syop and not not decide to leave

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:41.799
<v Speaker 2>little clues beforehand.

0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got they have to leave little clues, Garrison.

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Have you listen to Alex Jones. That's part of the

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>deal they make with the demons is that they have

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>to They have to leave little clues for the evil

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 1>that they're doing while they're doing it.

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 2>They call that the Riddler's law.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:58.919
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, that's right now.

0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Another thing that got amplified in the conspiratorial milieu was

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:08.239
<v Speaker 2>a Twitter account with a Pepe profile picture wearing the

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:10.880
<v Speaker 2>same outfit as President Trump the night of the Dinner,

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:15.520
<v Speaker 2>who tweeted the alleged shooter's name about two and a

0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:20.200
<v Speaker 2>half years ago. This post is the account's only visible post.

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 2>The banner image of the account is a bunch of

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 2>streaks of color, but if you overlay the image of

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump holding his fist up in the air at Butler,

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the color streaks and the darkened areas line up with

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 2>the Trump Butler photo.

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>The alleged shooter also had an undergraduate research fellowship at

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 2>NASA for the summer of twenty to fourteen, and the

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 2>name of this Twitter account matches the name of someone

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>at lockeed Martin who published a NASA paper at the

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>same time that the shooter was at NASA, and the

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 2>shooter worked for the Jet Propulsion Lab, the same labs

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that those scientists who have gone missing also have been

0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 2>working out of. When I saw this, I started feeling

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit scared because I thought I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I was afraid.

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<v Speaker 3>Needing help.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is. But that's not all because the Pepe

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the Pepe Twitter account was also connected to a time

0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 2>travel study, because the color streak banner photo was traced

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<v Speaker 2>to a website on how to build a time machine,

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and this photo was used on the web page for

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the time machine study. So what's what's what's really going

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<v Speaker 2>on here? First of all, this this quote unquote time

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<v Speaker 2>machine website is actually a europe based project for quote

0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 2>three D digitalization of cultural heritage, scanning like artifacts and

0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 2>uploading them online as like three D models. That's their

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote time machine is preserving cultural heritage. Yes, an

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<v Speaker 2>archive and actually this color streak image has actually been

0:58:57.560 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 2>floating around the Internet for a long time. I found

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 2>versions since at least twenty eighteen. There are hundreds of

0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:07.280
<v Speaker 2>people named Cole Allen in the US on data broker sites.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, the first archive of this Pepe Twitter account,

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<v Speaker 2>whose profile picture only matches Trump's because it's a tuxedo,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most common outfits for men at events

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<v Speaker 2>like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is the same outfit that Trump was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>at the dinner. It's also the same outfit Trumps worn

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<v Speaker 1>at every dinner, because it's what you wear at dinners

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the President Texieda.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first archive of this post is from after

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting, so we don't know what this account looked

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.600
<v Speaker 2>like prior to the shooting. Now, this account could have

0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:42.120
<v Speaker 2>tweeted tons of random names and then deleted all the

0:59:42.160 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 2>other posts to pull a stunt like this, or people

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.320
<v Speaker 2>at Twitter, like you know, x everything up. The people

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<v Speaker 2>who work there could have backdated the account and the

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 2>post to boost engagement on the platform. Now, those aren't

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.439
<v Speaker 2>any more likely than just a simple coincidence, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are other explanations other than gesturing vaguely towards a pre

1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>planned psyop. Spreading images of this a Twitter account isn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily putting forward a specific conspiracy theory. It just gets

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<v Speaker 2>used as a data point among other unconnected data points

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<v Speaker 2>to sow public mistrust and undermine reality inferring meaning from

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<v Speaker 2>odd coincidences. Right, this is seeing patterns that aren't there

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<v Speaker 2>and literally in the case of seeing the Butler photo

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<v Speaker 2>in a splash of colors, and again, like why would

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote they drop hints beforehand, right, is this is

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<v Speaker 2>this predictive programming. But predictive programming isn't really necessary to

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<v Speaker 2>get the public to accept an event like an attenpted assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, that would only sew suspicion. Dropping these little

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<v Speaker 2>hints just so suspicion for an event like this, It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually make it more acceptable.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole idea of predictive programming is sowing seeds to

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<v Speaker 2>get the public to accept an otherwise unacceptable thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's not necessary for a presidential assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there are some other things that propped up in

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<v Speaker 2>this conspiratorial shenanigans. In the wake of the shooting. A

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News reporter was calling in to report her experience

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<v Speaker 2>at the dinner and suddenly cut out when she started

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<v Speaker 2>talking about something that Carolyn Levitt's husband said to her.

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<v Speaker 5>He kind of leaned over and said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>watched your on TV. DoD a great job. You need

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<v Speaker 5>to be very safe. And he was just very serious

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<v Speaker 5>when he said that to me, and he kind of

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<v Speaker 5>looked around the room and he said, you know, there are.

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<v Speaker 6>Some sounds like we lost to Aisha's phone there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, well, what so her audio actually cuts out

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<v Speaker 2>at different points during this televised call. The anchor said

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<v Speaker 2>that she was having sell service issues, and later on

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<v Speaker 2>x this reporter posted that she was about to say

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<v Speaker 2>at Carolyn Levitt's husband was quote telling me to be

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<v Speaker 2>careful with my own safety because the world is crazy unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>But it does make for a funny moment, a funny

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<v Speaker 2>moment of telet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good moment. That's an incredible time for your

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<v Speaker 1>call to cut out, Like just awesome stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There's other other viral posts spreading video of the military

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<v Speaker 2>storming past the red carpet or people in military fatigue

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<v Speaker 2>storming past the red carpet after the shooting, with one

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<v Speaker 2>person writing quote, law enforcement doesn't act like this. Neither

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<v Speaker 2>does the military. This is a staged event with a

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<v Speaker 2>shitty script and pre positioned cameras unquote. The cameras are

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<v Speaker 2>there because they're there to film the red carpet. Their physician.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because this is an organization where all the press gathered.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a press event. That's why there's pre positioned cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's how you do you know, the White

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<v Speaker 1>House correspondence dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh so you're going to see some types of

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<v Speaker 3>corps you have never previously scene when someone tries to

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<v Speaker 3>assassinate the president. Oh yeah, there are a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people whose job it is to stop that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of them on necessarily uniformed officers who you see

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<v Speaker 3>every day in the Secret Service.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Other people also thought it was odd that Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>skipped every correspondent to dinner across his two terms except

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<v Speaker 2>for this one. And then all of a sudden there's

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<v Speaker 2>a shooter in the lobby. How did the shooter know

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump would go to this one? Because the shooter

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<v Speaker 2>planned planned this since early April. How would the shooter

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<v Speaker 2>know this? Well, that's actually quite simple, because Trump announced

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<v Speaker 2>he was attending this dinner in early March, and according

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<v Speaker 2>to Core documents, Cole Allen started searching for information about

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<v Speaker 2>this dinner in early April, a month later, before then

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<v Speaker 2>booking two nights at the Washington Hilton, Trump already announced

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<v Speaker 2>that he was going to be attending the dinner. The

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<v Speaker 2>oddest aspect of the conspiracism post this event is that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump needed to stay each this not for any national

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<v Speaker 2>security reasons or to seize more power, but to construct

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<v Speaker 2>the White House ballroom, which has been the main thing

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<v Speaker 2>that people on the right have been talking about after

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<v Speaker 2>the shooting. The people on the right have not been

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<v Speaker 2>using this shooting to like go after liberal terrorists, but

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<v Speaker 2>have been talking NonStop about how this security breach demonstrates

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<v Speaker 2>the need to construct Trump's massive ballroom, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>main thing they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny the idea that.

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<v Speaker 2>They would stage that the deep state it's gonna stage

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<v Speaker 2>a false flag just to push for the ballroom. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is to me, frankly, very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. We don't get an enabling Act in our new fascists,

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<v Speaker 1>We just get a fucking ballroom. Yeah yeah, right, Like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I guess I prefer this, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The Reichs tick fire to construct a nice dance floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, just yeah. I mean a lot of this

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<v Speaker 3>was like centered on the safety insecurity exemption which was

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<v Speaker 3>provided in the injunction against the building of the new ballroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The issue here is that the Trump administration already filed

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<v Speaker 3>on the third of April a claim that the entire

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<v Speaker 3>building was a contiguous hole. They couldn't do the security

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<v Speaker 3>part without doing the fancy dance floor part right, Like, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has also truced about this. Previous to this event,

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<v Speaker 3>this wouldn't have really added anything. Yeah, they did try

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<v Speaker 3>and get the National Trust for Historical Preservation to withdraw

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<v Speaker 3>their court case, which they didn't against subsequently to this,

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<v Speaker 3>the events of the White House correspondence.

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<v Speaker 2>You So, yeah, that's most of what I have on

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<v Speaker 2>the conspiracy stuff. There's certainly more, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh does more. Yeah, we're going to leave it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always going to be more, right, Like, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way how it is. We all have good data

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<v Speaker 2>on like the widespread belief of this theory that there was.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a poll that circulated that said like something

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<v Speaker 2>like forty seven percent of Democrats thought the attempted assassination

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<v Speaker 2>was staged. But this poll, which is from the Manhattan Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>so take that with a grain of fascism. This poll

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<v Speaker 2>is actually pulling the Butler shooting, not this recent one,

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<v Speaker 2>and people did not acknowledge that when they were spreading

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<v Speaker 2>this poll around. So we don't know how many people

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<v Speaker 2>actually believe that this shooting was staged, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>certainly see a lot of people asserting as such on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Shall we move on to a couple of other topics

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<v Speaker 3>we need to cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this will be a super super sized episode, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's go talking to people talking about things of

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<v Speaker 3>the internet. I think some people got this one get

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<v Speaker 3>a little carried away. As three zero decision of a

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<v Speaker 3>panel of Second Circuit Court judges has rejected ICE's mandatory

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<v Speaker 3>detention of people seeking to deport, with a few exceptions.

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<v Speaker 3>The opinion was written by Judge Bianco, who is a

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<v Speaker 3>Trump appointee, stated that quote, petitioner entered the United States

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<v Speaker 3>and lawfully in two thousand and four or two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and five, and has resided here ever since. He is

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<v Speaker 3>therefore deemed to be an applicant for admission by section

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<v Speaker 3>one two to five A, that he is not quote

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<v Speaker 3>seeking admission because he is not requesting lawful entry into

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<v Speaker 3>the United States after inspection authorization. The government's attempt to

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<v Speaker 3>muddy these textually clear waters defies the statute's contact structure, history,

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<v Speaker 3>and purpose, contradicts of Supreme Court dicta in Jennings, and

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<v Speaker 3>long standing executive branch practice, and its interpretation of statute

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<v Speaker 3>raises serious constitutional questions. It should be avoided even if

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<v Speaker 3>the statutory language were ambiguous. The statute in question here

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<v Speaker 3>is the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety six, and specifically the fact that it has

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<v Speaker 3>a mandatory detainer for people quote unquote seeking admission to

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<v Speaker 3>the USA. Now, this ruling puts the Second Circuit in

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<v Speaker 3>agreement with over three hundred and seventy judges across the nation,

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<v Speaker 3>but notably odds with the Fifth and Eighth Circuit. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Judge Bianco, in a really incredibly New York and analogy

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<v Speaker 3>here for seeking admission wrote, if someone sneaks into Yankee

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<v Speaker 3>Stadium at the start of the game with no ticket

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<v Speaker 3>for admission and no intention of ever paying, and he

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<v Speaker 3>is later found by security in a seat in the

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<v Speaker 3>seventh inning, no one would consider that to be seeking

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<v Speaker 3>admission to the game. So hopefully that's that explained to

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<v Speaker 3>people that the argument that the government is making here

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<v Speaker 3>is that someone who has been in the country for

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<v Speaker 3>a long period of time is still seeking admission.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The Trump administrations place itself for odds with other administrations. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>this has been lost since nineteen ninety six, as Bianco wrote,

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<v Speaker 3>quote for five presidential administrations over nearly three decades, it

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<v Speaker 3>did consistently release detainees on bond, whom the government now

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<v Speaker 3>argues are covered by section one two two five B

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<v Speaker 3>two A. Even in President Trump's first term and the

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<v Speaker 3>first few months of his second, the agency adhered to

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<v Speaker 3>the decades old understanding and the relative scopes of sections

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<v Speaker 3>one two two five and one two two six. And

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<v Speaker 3>these circumstances, the fact that no president has ever found

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<v Speaker 3>such power in the statute is strong evidence that it

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<v Speaker 3>does not exist. That pretty much explains itself, right. What

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<v Speaker 3>I have not been able to work out is whether

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<v Speaker 3>this pertains to people who are detained, as in who

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<v Speaker 3>are arrested in the Second Circuit, or people who are

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<v Speaker 3>held in the Second circuit or both. My guess would

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<v Speaker 3>be both, because it is the law in the second circuit, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so it applies in the second circuit. Certainly, most attention

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<v Speaker 3>facilities are not in the Second circuit. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>them are in the Fifth, which has come down the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite way on this. This is why the Supreme Court exists, right,

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<v Speaker 3>big disagreement between these several circuit courts. Here, moving on

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about the border wall. Before leaving office, Secretary

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<v Speaker 3>no massigned several waivers for border walk struction. This was

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<v Speaker 3>not in a week before she left office, but this

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<v Speaker 3>year one of them waived twenty eight laws in the

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<v Speaker 3>Big Bend area of Texas. The waiver included a one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and seventy five miles of the riverfront of the

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<v Speaker 3>Rio Grande, including parts of the state park, National Park,

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<v Speaker 3>and federally protected river. These some of these areas are

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<v Speaker 3>very popular for outdoor recreation. These waivers are now being

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<v Speaker 3>challenged in court by the Center for Biological Diversity. They're

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<v Speaker 3>attitudes on you'll see them in a lot of border

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<v Speaker 3>legal cases. The Friends of Roridosa Church and a telling

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<v Speaker 3>were river guide named Billy Miller. It's an interesting coalition,

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<v Speaker 3>right that we don't often see, like a church group

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<v Speaker 3>has the sort of approach to this that it would

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<v Speaker 3>destroy historical and cultural heritage to build the wall there. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>the river guy, Billy Miller, Mister Miller has the claim

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<v Speaker 3>that it would be disruptive to have business and to

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<v Speaker 3>people's enjoyment of nature on the river. Currently, what they

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<v Speaker 3>are doing is focusing on Chispa Road. It's Neil like Valentine, Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>northwest of Marfa, where the carrying Garrett road improvements that

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<v Speaker 3>they did not notify county officials about, which is obviously

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<v Speaker 3>course to disruption. I've actually ridden my bike out there

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<v Speaker 3>a fair bit. Did some work making a film out

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<v Speaker 3>there a few years ago. It's a really beautiful part

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<v Speaker 3>of the country. I'm sure a lot of people will

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<v Speaker 3>be familiar with Marfa, which is nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's a great city, great.

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<v Speaker 3>Muffa's great. I love that area of Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I watched it all burn down one beautiful beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>when the horrible fires started. Yeah, it was wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I bet geez. Luckily Marfa has recovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Great place to visit.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go and see the Prata Store, which people

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<v Speaker 3>now think is AI generated, which is great. Our reality

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<v Speaker 3>is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go see the Jud Foundations or the Chinnati Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>the Donald jud Museum. You know a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff Alan Marfa pretty good geez sandwich restaurant.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty fancy glamping set up there as well. Ye. So

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<v Speaker 3>I checked out the CBP smart All Interactive map, which

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes they don't always have to give notice when they're

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<v Speaker 3>changing their plans, or sometimes you find out via the

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<v Speaker 3>smart All Interactive map. Right now, it shows vehicle barriers

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<v Speaker 3>and patrol road planned inside the National Park. Right, so

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<v Speaker 3>this will cause damage far far beyond the riverfront. Evidently,

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<v Speaker 3>to build barriers at the riverfront, they have to build

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<v Speaker 3>roads to get to a riverfront, which will also spread

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<v Speaker 3>this damage over an area that like, especially in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Texas is not a state which is abundant with public

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<v Speaker 3>land now. It is not like those states further west

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<v Speaker 3>in that regard. And I know this is an area

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<v Speaker 3>which is very special to a great deal of people.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really interested in rang more about this, So, like

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<v Speaker 3>especially people in the outdoor industry or folks in that region,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to hear from you. You can do cool

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<v Speaker 3>talk about that. Do you want to do there?

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<v Speaker 2>We reported, We reported the news.

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<v Speaker 3>All of it. Yeah again. Cool Zone Tips at proton

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<v Speaker 3>just go ahead and flash those We.

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<v Speaker 2>It could happen.

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