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Speaker 1: Here we go, it's hour two. It's The Herd, the

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Speaker 1: show that wants to actually see Bad Bunny at the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl at halftime. Great to be back, Joel Klas

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Speaker 1: to be joining us in a couple of minutes, all

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Speaker 1: fired up. So I saw this right now, there's it's

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Speaker 1: not an anomaly. I think this is the future of

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So Jmak right now, this is this is incredible.

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Speaker 1: There are fifteen current NFL quarterbacks, almost half the lead,

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Speaker 1: with a passer rating over one hundred. Okay, last year

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Speaker 1: it was eleven. The year before it was six. So

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Speaker 1: when people complain about quarterback play, this is the best

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Speaker 1: it's ever been in my life. I think there are

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Speaker 1: three reasons why it's the best I've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: my life. Number one, the coaching. There's never been this

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Speaker 1: many great young coaches. These Sean mcvays are and Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell's their teachers, their mentors, and it's like we got

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Speaker 1: like seven Sean Payton and Andy Reid's out there who are

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Speaker 1: very good mentors. So the coaching, the young quarterback coaching,

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Speaker 1: I mean, watch Trevor Lawrence Monday with Liam Cohen. He's

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Speaker 1: a flawed quarterback. This's the best, most comfortable, I think,

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Speaker 1: well comfortable. They kind of go back and forth, but

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Speaker 1: it's the best Trevor Lawrence has ever been. So the coaching,

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Speaker 1: there's just more smart guys coaching. Secondly, quarterbacks are getting

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Speaker 1: personal coaching seven on seven. They just have more snaps

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Speaker 1: coming out of college. I mean Bonnis had sixty one

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Speaker 1: college starts, Jayden Daniels fifty five, brock Perty had almost fifty,

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't count the seven on seven coaching, the

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Speaker 1: summer stuff. So the quarterbacks come in with more reps,

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Speaker 1: more completions, more attempts, better coaching. And the third thing

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Speaker 1: that doesn't get talked about is that because almost all

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks not named Stafford and Jared Goff are mobile, and

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Speaker 1: because they're mobile, you have to play zone defense. Now

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you can't turn your back on a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit spots.

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Speaker 1: So quarterbacks have better coaches to hit spots. More starts

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Speaker 1: coming into the NFL to hit spots, and they're good

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Speaker 1: at hitting spots. They're not having the new you know. Now,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is still a guy that throws the great

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Speaker 1: back shoulder. Aaron Rodgers is so precise it works. You know,

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Speaker 1: he can not only hit the spots, but Aaron has

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Speaker 1: Aaron's playing smart, great football. Here was Tom this weekend

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Speaker 3: And I think at that age, there's so many other

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Speaker 1: Play about how to be a great quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we all want to talk about what

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Speaker 3: happens in the offseason with him, and there's some things

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Speaker 3: that are there's a lot of narratives out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: It's a little different, but what we know about him

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Speaker 1: And look at these numbers in the last three years alone.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, one quarterback completed seventy plus percent

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Speaker 1: is joining US live. He'll have Ohio State against Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. By the way, I saw yesterday

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Speaker 1: harsh on arch Manning. Okay, The Athletic had an article

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Speaker 1: the time. I don't think think arch Manning is flopped.

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Speaker 1: I think he is the reality. If you think it's

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Speaker 1: hard for NFL gms to figure out what twenty two

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Speaker 4: I think the expectations were there, though only because he

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Speaker 1: Of games last year look good, He's run.

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Speaker 4: This is his third year, you know, so I think

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Speaker 4: not played well at all, and Texas has not played well.

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Speaker 4: And that's the other part is that they're not doing

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Speaker 4: he doesn't throw the ball well, they can't run it

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Speaker 4: very well. Sark talked about that after that game against

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Speaker 4: their backs are against the wall. They've got to win

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Speaker 1: That all of a sudden it's going to get better,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a weird way. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: game last decade for James Franklin. That's exactly right, and

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Speaker 4: Last year in the playoff. You know, yes, they got

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Speaker 4: you could you could claim that they may be underperformed

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Speaker 4: that falls on their quarterback, but it also falls on

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Speaker 4: they have got to get better. But part of the

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Speaker 4: main issue is the offensive line. And when your offensive

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Speaker 4: it's a terrible combination.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what's going on. I will say this weekend

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Speaker 1: before the show, Jason comes up, what do you want

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of money and I always defended Lincoln

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Speaker 4: Oh interesting, you're putting that on this weekend. I think

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Speaker 1: Well, it's at home that matters in college that's a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: And their quarterback right now is on fire. Yeah. CJ.

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Speaker 1: Just that's not happening. You would doubt it. You would

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Speaker 1: put four losses down. And I'm not talking at Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: And my take is this team, Michigan's physical. They have

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Speaker 1: seen that. What if they're just what if it's this

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Speaker 1: what the personnel is they're never going to be a

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: See, the only pushback I would give on that is

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Speaker 1: They could run it.

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Speaker 4: They could run it really well, and in a few

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Speaker 4: of those years when he was the head coach, they

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Speaker 1: How does their defense Their defense struggled. Okay, so that's

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Speaker 1: Struggled with that.

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Speaker 1: You were at Amos of that game, brutal, and you

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Speaker 4: Well, no, And it's also more of a CEO role

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Speaker 4: and what I'm sure i'm you know, he's being is

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Speaker 4: being said during meetings and everything that is not connecting.

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Speaker 4: He's a very gruff guy, it's not Charlie Weiss failed,

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Speaker 4: but it's not just the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 4: Let me just Charlie Weiss wasn't great in college, although

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Speaker 4: he had pockets of success.

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Speaker 1: Like with Will Brady, Charlie was and I know Charlie

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Speaker 1: and I like it. He was gruff.

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Speaker 4: But there are guys that are having success, you know,

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Speaker 4: like like Chip came back and had success with with

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, but like Jeff Haffley came to Ohio State

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Speaker 4: and now he's in the NFL and done well. Think

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Speaker 4: of those defensive oriented coaches that came from Baltimore to

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Speaker 4: help out Harrorball, like Mike McDonald who's now in Seattle

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Speaker 4: and Jesse Mentor who is now the coordinator. Guys, though

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Speaker 4: Matt Patricia comes to the NFL and what is he doing.

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Speaker 4: He's really succeeding with Ohio State number one defense in

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Speaker 4: the country. So I don't want to put like a

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Speaker 4: blanket statement of like, oh, the NFL guys they come

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Speaker 4: down here and they don't know how to work, because

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Speaker 4: some of them are doing it really really well at

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Speaker 4: North Carolina. Right now, it's just not connecting. There's no

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Speaker 4: cohesiveness right now with what you know, the message is

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Speaker 4: and what you're seeing on the field.

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Speaker 1: So the best two teams in the country, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's that difficult. Are Ohio State one Oregon two.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to put Miami in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Three Okay, they looked a part no SEC teams in that.

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Speaker 1: You know, the.

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Speaker 4: SEC this year is deeper than they have been in

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Speaker 4: the past. That you know, they had a run where

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Speaker 4: they were so elite at the top, man like, so

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Speaker 4: elite at the top. I don't think that there's the

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Speaker 4: great team in the SEC this year, but there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of really good teams. The best team might be

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Speaker 4: Texas A and m might be Ole miss You know,

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Speaker 4: I think that we're going to find out a lot

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Speaker 4: about the SEC this weekend when BAMA goes to Missouri.

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Speaker 1: How about this, Indiana, Go look at the spread Indiana

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Speaker 1: is going to play Oregon. Not a big spread. I

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Speaker 1: think it's what four and a half? What does that

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Speaker 1: tell you about Indiana? I think Indiana is a really

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Speaker 1: good team. Clearly. Yeah. I mean I saw Illinois play fifth.

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Speaker 4: Let me put it to you this way. Labeled a

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Speaker 4: big ten.

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Speaker 1: Guy, Indiana is the equivalent to me of a Missouri

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Speaker 1: or an ole Miss. At least Vegas is telling you

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Speaker 1: at least yeah, there's no doubt. So Vegas is telling

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Speaker 1: you if Ole Miss went to Oregon, it'd be four

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Speaker 1: points per Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That's absolutely right. Indiana would be just doing exactly the same.

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Speaker 4: Indiana is just as good as Oklahoma or Ole Miss

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Speaker 4: or Texas.

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Speaker 6: A and M.

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Speaker 1: Those guys went to Austin, what would the line be?

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Speaker 4: And for Indiana if any of those teams went to Indiana,

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Speaker 4: that team is incredible at home, you know, and and

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Speaker 4: there is Listen, they're always going to get a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a narrative bump down there. There's no doubt,

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Speaker 4: but there's there is no questioning the fact that at

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Speaker 4: the top they're not quite as good as what they

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Speaker 4: have been, and they're deeper in the middle this year,

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Speaker 4: and who knows how that is all going to play out.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't crush Indiana for the Notre Dame name last year.

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Speaker 1: They have made a move. They're better than last year.

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Speaker 1: I think they are well, I think they are. They're

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're more explosive, and I think they have

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Speaker 1: more good play.

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Speaker 4: This will this will tell us a lot about Indiana

504
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Speaker 4: because this is a very difficult place to play against

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Speaker 4: what I think is an elite college football team in Oregon,

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Speaker 4: and Dan Lanning will have those guys ready to go.

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Speaker 4: There's there's no doubt about it. But I think Indiana

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Speaker 4: is going to have a chance in that game.

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Speaker 1: It's good scene.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see you. I know that travel is

511
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Speaker 4: hard for you, but good to see you.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to complain about it. No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Don't put that seed in the staff's head, you know, No.

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Speaker 1: I mean these guys are spoiled, are they. We're like

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Speaker 1: an indie band with a great budget. I mean, I'm

516
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Speaker 1: just there're out there partying every night, having a good time.

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Speaker 1: There's no structure to any of this except they all.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have a big budget. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 4: That's level five leadership folks right there and just bang

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Speaker 4: on the staff.

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Speaker 1: You guys have it easy when I show up, and

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Speaker 1: you'll work hard for them. When I show up in

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Speaker 1: the morning, I'm just praying. I see cars. Half the

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Speaker 1: time they're here, half the time they're not. I never

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Speaker 1: know what's happening. That's okay, good, It's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: But four baseball games today. Oh, it's gonna be great

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Speaker 1: for base gonna be great. Yeah, how about that Yankees win?

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Speaker 2: That was nice.

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Speaker 1: They're not winning that series, you don't think so. They're starting,

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Speaker 1: pitching is getting crushed. I can see that Toronto is

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Speaker 1: a good team. Didn't you play minor league baseball? I

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Speaker 1: did for three seasons. Well, who was the organization?

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Speaker 4: Padres? They dodged a bullet. I barely hit over the

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Speaker 4: Mendoza line. That was a quick exit back to college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? You always have

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Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing about this job. How many of

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Speaker 1: you have gone to work, walk down the hallway and

552
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Speaker 1: bumped into Derek Jeter. I'm literally walking down, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Walk out of the bathroom. Hey, jeez,

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Speaker 1: what's up? What's going on, Bud? I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you're in your accounting office. You know, you used to

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Speaker 1: bump into Elvis or something. But it's it's not very,

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Speaker 1: very infrequent. I think most Americans come out of the

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Speaker 1: bathroom at your workplace, you're walking into the studio. It's

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Speaker 1: Derek Jeter. He's all fired up. So right after our show,

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Speaker 1: four baseball games, it's probably it's the best baseball day

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Speaker 1: of the year today. If you're a baseball fan, this

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Speaker 1: will be as good as it gets. You're gonna have.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Tigers even it up. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about the Yankees. We'll see Tigers even it up. Milwaukee's

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Speaker 1: a better team. Milwaukee's better than the Cubs.

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Speaker 6: Running to Derek Jeter, and you don't think it's a

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Speaker 6: sign that here come the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: You nothing, you put that together. I'm not okay. J

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Speaker 1: Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 6: This is the herd Line News, all right, Uh, Thursday

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Speaker 6: night football Giants Eagles colin Uh. Saquon Barkley has, as

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Speaker 6: the kids like to say, low key dominated the New

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Speaker 6: York Giants last season one hundred and seventy six yards

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Speaker 6: in a touchdown. He went off in that game. Uh,

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Speaker 6: in both games. And here's Dexter Lawrence talking about Saquon

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Speaker 6: being a big time problem will.

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Speaker 5: Be a pleasure. The speak teams, teams scheming for him.

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Speaker 5: It happens. But you know, you don't want to be

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Speaker 5: the team to let them get hot. So you gotta

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Speaker 5: stay stay disciplined. Thursday and you know, gow.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a short week. It's a tough spot for

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback in a short week to a cranky

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Speaker 1: Eagles team off a loss. It's franky. It's just a

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Speaker 1: it's a bad spot for the Giants.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, like the phrase smoking mirrors, I tell

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Speaker 6: you like that. That was Jackson Dart against the Chargers, right,

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Speaker 6: he got it, took over inside the ten yard line

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Speaker 6: twice and they scored ten points. He had a couple

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Speaker 6: of nice runs then reality hit when he turned it

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Speaker 6: over five times in a row. The team did against

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Speaker 6: the Saints five Eagles defense a little better than the

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Speaker 6: SAME's defense. You would agree this feels like a body

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Speaker 6: bag game. Thirty to ten Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd go there. Philadelphia is going

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Speaker 1: to win the game. But you got to remember Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: and this isn't a little thing. The Eagles are struggling offense.

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Speaker 6: But they had that closed door meeting. Players only meeting.

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Speaker 1: You to that means nothing. Oh really, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was huge if you if you are have a winning

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Speaker 1: record and are having closed door meeting, what's what's to

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Speaker 1: have a closed door about? Well?

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Speaker 6: Probably, hey, AJ Brown, can you put a cork in

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Speaker 6: it and stop complaining every week? Maybe one of those

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't know, and AJ we'll get you.

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Speaker 6: The ball just simmered down.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: They were throwing at all in the last four games

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Speaker 1: to AJ Brown as much as Amor on Saint Brown.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, So, stop talking to the press about this nonsense,

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Speaker 6: stop reading books on the sideline and tweeting crap.

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Speaker 1: Play football. They're given him for John Jefferson omor on

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Speaker 1: Saint Brown targets.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm assuming it was the whole team. It

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Speaker 6: was like a what do they call that when like

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Speaker 6: somebody's struggling and you bring in all the friends to like, uh, intervention,

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Speaker 6: Maybe they had an intervention. It was it was three

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Speaker 6: guys talking Jalen and the leaders. That's what leaders do.

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Speaker 6: They step up and talk to the problem child, get

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Speaker 6: him in line. Has done nothing this year, which I

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Speaker 6: believe is a bit of a problem. Three yards to

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Speaker 6: carry this season.

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Speaker 1: Well he's getting hit immediately.

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Speaker 6: So Landon Dickerson out. Sounds like a new offensive coordinator

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Speaker 6: in not great. All right, let's move on to more

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Speaker 6: not great. And that's the Miami Dolphins. Just an epic

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Speaker 6: disaster of a season. How about last week I gave

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Speaker 6: out the Panthers and when the Panthers were down seventeen nothing,

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Speaker 6: I was like, oh, that was a whist. Carolina Storm's

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Speaker 6: back gets the win. And next thing you know, Mike

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Speaker 6: McDaniel had a meeting with Dolphins owners Steven or Ross mcdian.

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Speaker 6: Mike McDaniel talked to the media about how that meeting went.

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Speaker 4: He was really frustrated at the.

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Speaker 9: You know, just like he's as as I was, and

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Speaker 9: you know, we talked about the challenge ahead to get

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Speaker 9: ready for the Chargers, and that was kind of the

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Speaker 9: extent of it.

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Speaker 6: What happened to the cool Mike mcdanney, the one who

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Speaker 6: was like my South Beach cool and was like he

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Speaker 6: was apparently struggling to speak here the last four times

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Speaker 6: I have seen him at the podium, He's not the

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Speaker 6: same guy, dishoveled rat.

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Speaker 1: He's not. He's just doesn't feel like And by the way,

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Speaker 1: is that what the players are seeing in team meetings?

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Speaker 1: He does not have it. He has lost the vibe you.

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Speaker 6: Talked about meeting with the big ball this is upstairs.

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Speaker 6: Can you imagine if McDaniel was talking like that with

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Speaker 6: the owner of the Dolphins, fumbling his words. He sounded

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Speaker 6: like a guy who goes when you go to put

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Speaker 6: air in your tires. He's like, oh, can't speak, and

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Speaker 6: it's like, whoa, whoa dude, Mike McDaniel. I think he's

652
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Speaker 6: lost the plot here in Miami. It does not look

653
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Speaker 6: good for him. Is he the first coach fired?

654
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Speaker 1: Well, last year we said eber Fluis was on the

655
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: hot seat, and he was, and then he got fired.

656
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Speaker 1: And I think Mike McDaniel was the coach in the

657
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Speaker 1: hot seat, and he is and the truck. Be very

658
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Speaker 1: careful about letting goes. We know he's a great play

659
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Speaker 1: designer and call it. We know he's smart. Be very

660
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: careful about firing coaches, because what happens is interims come in.

661
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: They'll they'll here's what Miami is going to do. If

662
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: they move off McDaniel this year, they're going to elevate

663
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Speaker 1: the opposite of him, somebody that's got more alpha, because

664
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Speaker 1: that's what he doesn't have. So this is what they do.

665
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Speaker 1: The pendulum swings too far, they'll bring it an alpha,

666
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: and the alpha will get the players fired up and

667
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Speaker 1: they'll win some games, and everybody like that guy should

668
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: be the head coach. So I don't like interim coaches.

669
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Speaker 1: Maybe for a game or two, but you know, like

670
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Speaker 1: when you get the interim coach or Tantonio Pierce and

671
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: everybody's playing hard for him because he's an alpha and

672
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: the players love him because he's a dog, he's an alpha,

673
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Speaker 1: and you give that guy the head coaching job and

674
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's not the guy. So my take is,

675
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: you know he's smart, you know he's a good play caller.

676
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I would keep him because I think he's good for Tua,

677
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: and Tua is the centerpiece of the franchise.

678
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Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of things not going well for head coach,

679
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Speaker 6: his final story is the Arizona Cardinals unbelievably have fined

680
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 6: Jonathan getting their head coach one hundred large after he

681
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 6: was seen making physical contact with running back and goat

682
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Speaker 6: in de Mercato. I don't know how to say his

683
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Speaker 6: first name. Who botched the game for the Cardinals? Say,

684
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 6: you can look at the video on screen here again,

685
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Speaker 6: and this I think was shot from some guy in

686
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 6: the stands. Yeah, but you let's just talk about making contact.

687
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 6: So it's that second swing that people are fired up about.

688
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 6: But here's my thing. Aaron Glenn with a boxing glove

689
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 6: at practice punching.

690
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Speaker 1: The ball out.

691
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Speaker 6: Isn't that what Gannon's doing.

692
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Speaker 1: With that second film is say hold on to the

693
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Speaker 1: damn ball boom. But you know, it's intent, it's timing,

694
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: it's intent. I don't think you should touch players, but

695
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Speaker 1: I also think you're better off cutting players. So would

696
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Speaker 1: you rather a coach get mad at you or him

697
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: cut you so they didn't cut him? You know, I

698
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: don't think this is the way to ingratiate yourself with

699
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Speaker 1: young athletes. But I also think it's inexcusable what the

700
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Speaker 1: player did so to me, I would I would DNP.

701
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Speaker 1: I'm not playing the players.

702
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Speaker 6: Well, they're down to their third stringer and their fourth

703
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 6: stringer was I think on the Jets like two years ago,

704
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 6: like it's bleak in Arizona. On principle, I cut him

705
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Speaker 6: from my fantasy team. I was like, I can't even

706
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Speaker 6: see your name anymore. That being said, Cal, the first

707
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Speaker 6: bump here, isn't that one of these cume on man

708
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Speaker 6: get in the game like a tap to the chest.

709
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Speaker 6: I don't find that to be one hundred thousand dollars more.

710
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Speaker 6: You've done that to me here on set when I

711
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 6: screw up a read, J Matt come on like a

712
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Speaker 6: little slap to the chest. I'm like, hey, yeah, I

713
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Speaker 6: get I think physically, I think.

714
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Speaker 1: When you have a power dynamic of older man younger person,

715
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Speaker 1: you want to stay out of physicality. Come on, I

716
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: think you want to stay out of physical stuff. It's

717
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Speaker 1: not just my tes a shove. We've seen other coaches.

718
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to get in and pull the video

719
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Speaker 6: of Belichick and Read and I'm not going to do that.

720
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Speaker 6: I just think this was overblown. By the way, it

721
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Speaker 6: may be overblown. Gannon feels like a dead man walking home.

722
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Speaker 6: They are, by the way, Kyler Murray, how about this

723
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 6: not practicing today?

724
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Speaker 1: I thought the strangest part of this game after the

725
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Speaker 1: fumble was the fact that Kyler Murray got hit in

726
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Speaker 1: the head with a snap and didn't get touched and

727
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Speaker 1: left the game.

728
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Speaker 6: So they're saying he stepped wrong out what he was

729
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 6: like going for I didn't see anything, but it was

730
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Speaker 6: very weird. It's like almost he was like embarrassed a car.

731
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Speaker 1: That's what I thought. I thought he was embarrassed because

732
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Speaker 1: I'm like, they showed the replay and I'm like, I

733
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: don't understand how I got hurt. I got hurt, feelings

734
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: got hurt. I didn't see the.

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Speaker 6: It's weird how quickly this team has gone downhill. Remember

736
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Speaker 6: they almost beat San fran two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know why because every NFL team Kansas City

738
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago is in crisis mode. When

739
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: you go into crisis mode in any company, anybody listening

740
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: to there right now, who's ever run a company, small

741
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: or big going to crisis mode? What happens. You have

742
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: to have an identity. Arizona has no identity. New England

743
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: gave the game away, gave the game away to Pittsburgh.

744
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: But in three weeks they'd already created a resilience and

745
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Speaker 1: an identity. They come back the following week, they're great.

746
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Speaker 1: You have the first thing you have to do as

747
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: a coach. What are we? Who are we? So?

748
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Speaker 6: What are the Cardinals?

749
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: Exactly?

750
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Speaker 6: If you were giving them a branding itation that they

751
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 6: don't have that. Kyler their identity. No, yeah, he said

752
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 6: two weeks ago, I don't know if I'm gonna be

753
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 6: here for the new facility that opens.

754
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Speaker 1: So that's why Rabel comes in, Hardball comes in by Camp.

755
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: The Chargers are a more physical team. That's why when

756
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: you hire a head coach in the NFL, it's not

757
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: about getting the hipster, the smarter, it's about somebody that

758
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: can build an identity in a brand in four to

759
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: five weeks. That's what Harbaugh does, That's what Brabel does,

760
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: That's what Dan camp. It's not even winning. You don't

761
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: have to win first year. You don't have to win.

762
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel's been there four years. They have no identity.

763
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Speaker 1: Gannon's problem is what are they? There is there so

764
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: because every team in the league will hit crisis mode.

765
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: It's the NFL Brady's teams. You go back to the dynasty,

766
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: they had two or three games where they're like they

767
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: had a three or four year stretch. They don't want

768
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: a playoff game. Like, what are you?

769
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Speaker 6: I got an idea, Why don't you and I start

770
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 6: a crisis management company. I'll identify the crises and you

771
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 6: solved them. Because I think you just fixed the Cardinals Gannon,

772
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 6: listen up, maybe you beat the Colts.

773
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Speaker 1: I don't think that the company's gonna work that well.

774
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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news, Well.

775
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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd line.

776
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Speaker 1: Now, by the way, the Dolphins fired McDaniel, and I

777
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. I'd let the season play out. They

778
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: would probably in the interim Anthony Weaver defensive co ordinator.

779
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: As a former player, he's kind of the opposite of him.

780
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: So you bring him in. What if Anthony wins in? Oh,

781
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: let's getting the head coach, which I'm not against. If

782
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: he is brilliant and he's a young, smart guy, I'm

783
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: not against it. But what happens is players play hard.

784
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: It's like the substitute teacher. Everybody loves the substitute teacher.

785
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Substitute teacher stays for about three or four weeks. Nobody

786
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: wants the teacher back. It's okay for a weekend, it's

787
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: kay for a friday the teacher sick, but three or

788
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: four weeks nobody wants the teacher back. So you have

789
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: to be careful about the firing a coach bringing an

790
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: interim in for eight nine weeks, you can get trapped.

791
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: You can get trapped. Antonio Pears with the Raiders, Josh

792
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: McDaniel out early, Antonio Pears, Raw Raw, that's the guy.

793
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Speaker 1: Was it the best guy? It was the guy in

794
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: the moment. A lot of people in a moment are successful.

795
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: A lot of quarterbacks who aren't very good have three

796
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: week stretches when you're like, what Jake Browning, so you'd

797
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: be oh, boy, Jake Browning, and over the course of

798
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: a season, Jake Browning can't make certain plays and let's

799
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: go get Joe Flacco. A lot of people in spots

800
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: or good two three weeks temp employee. There are people

801
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, the chef gets sick, the prep

802
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: Cook takes over for a night too. You're like, darn good,

803
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: try to run in the restaurant Friday Saturday, seven hundred tables.

804
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: It's a whole different ballgame.

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00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 6: Cooper rushed with the Cowboys. Try filed in Cooper for four.

806
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: Or five weeks. That's what I've said. If if you

807
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: have a backup play for four weeks, can he win two?

808
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Mac Jones was a starter and made a

809
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, so he's better than your average backup. But

810
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: this idea of you know, these interim coaches, they get

811
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: the energy of the team. Guys play over their skis,

812
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: Guys play, you know.

813
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 6: Free Ucla football. We just saw the other.

814
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Game at the best game in ten years at UCLA.

815
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you hire the guy, right.

816
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: It may be that one of those guys, Jerry Neuheisel

817
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: and the other guy, maybe they are great, But the

818
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: history of interim coaches, you get a certain energy that

819
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: you can't duplicate over the long term. It's the hurt.

820
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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

821
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern a em Pacific Sunday.

822
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Speaker 6: On Fox Deck and the Cowboys take on the Panthers

823
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 6: or Matthew Stafford and the Rams battle the Ravens or

824
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 6: other regional action. Check local listings for the.

825
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: Game in your area Sunday on Fox.

826
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Speaker 1: By the way, our show at the end of this

827
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Speaker 1: hour will be moving to the Fox Sports app for

828
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: the final hour of our show, which by the way,

829
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: is fantastic. Four baseball games today, Tigers Mariners around a

830
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: corner a week six NFL schedule, and my sixth sense

831
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: of week six schedule in the NFL is that we

832
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: could have some upsets this weekend. Keep your eye on

833
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: the upsets.

834
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Speaker 6: That was the last weekend, boss. No, let me guess.

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Speaker 1: Let me guess.

836
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 6: Joe Flacco, who already beat the Packers and was just

837
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: aimed the starter for the Bengals face the Packers. Is

838
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 6: he going to beat the Packers twice in one season?

839
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 6: They're fifteen point dogs at one shop fifteen?

840
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Speaker 1: Why are the Broncos only favored by a touchdown over

841
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: the Jets.

842
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 6: Because it's in London and they're still celebrating and went

843
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 6: over the Eagles.

844
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Speaker 1: Just interesting.

845
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 6: Justin Field's running for his life literally against Nick Bonito

846
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 6: and company.

847
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a game and just yell out

848
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: the team you think will win Seahawks of the Jags.

849
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 6: I was gonna bet the Jags this morning. I have

850
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 6: not fired yet a lot of people betting Seattle. People

851
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 6: love the Seahawks. I don't know if this is you

852
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 6: driving that bus, but nationally everybody's like, oh, Seahawks. And

853
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: then you say Jags got lucky to beat the Chiefs.

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00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm not driving the number. Believe me the platform. I'll

855
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: repeat from your first kay Detroit at Kansas City. I

856
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: like to hug the Lions. This one's interesting. Chicago at Washington.

857
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 6: Give me Jayden Daniels. By the way, do you like

858
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 6: the double header on Monday night football? The actually good quarterbacks?

859
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 6: Finally can't stand it? Yeah, well, we get Alan Pennox,

860
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 6: Caleb Jaden.

861
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be better if the Bears if Caleb and

862
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels were meeting in the late window? Because Bengals

863
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: at Green Bay not that interesting. MICHAEH.

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00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 6: Parsons off a bye.

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Speaker 1: I think it. I'll tell you this. San Francisco at Tampa.

866
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: That is fun.

867
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 6: That's a good game. Well, we don't know who tiged out.

868
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 6: We don't know who's starting anywhere for the Niners.

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00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter of fact, receiver Mac Jones is as

870
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: good as rock Purty this morning because brock Perty is

871
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: not at one hundred percent.

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00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 6: Interim coach, Interim quarterback is the same thing.

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00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: A fly here. It doesn't Mac Jones.

874
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 6: Who's he QB won for next year?

875
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Mac Jones?

876
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: Can the Niner slip him for like a thing?

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00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: If I was Cincinnati, I'd go get him. You got

878
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow? How many weeks last? Joe moving on? Kevin Burkhart.

879
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: The Fellas gonna crush it. You should see their room.

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Speaker 1: Three iced tea all day or the life