WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #43

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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<v Speaker 2>and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans. Yes, this

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<v Speaker 2>episode recovering the week of November nineteen to November twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, this year's just blown by yeah fast, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They sped up the time stream. You know what else

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<v Speaker 3>sped up the time stream watching something on Twitter blow

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<v Speaker 3>up again. We can't seem to stop talking about this

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<v Speaker 3>fucking website and I'm tired of it. But the big

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<v Speaker 3>news this week from Elon Musk's fucking vanity propagana app

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<v Speaker 3>is see Everything Happen That they introduced a new feature

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<v Speaker 3>to let you know the location of the account and

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<v Speaker 3>also the number of like name changes, like how many

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<v Speaker 3>username changes it's had since the account has started. I

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<v Speaker 3>would say within sort of progressive and liberal circles. The

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<v Speaker 3>i'm an interpretation of what's happened is best summarized by

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<v Speaker 3>this Daily Beast headline. Top MAGA influencers accidentally unmasked as

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<v Speaker 3>foreign trolls, No shit, Now, as is often the case,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't entirely accurate. Not to say that there's not

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<v Speaker 3>a shitload of foreign trolls who are making money by

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<v Speaker 3>pretending to be American MAGA influencers. There definitely are. We've

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<v Speaker 3>known about this since well before this Twitter change. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the most prominent people on Musk's Twitter, Ean Miles Chong,

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<v Speaker 3>is a Malaysian man who has never been to the

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<v Speaker 3>United States and publishes nothing but MAGA content. Now, what's

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<v Speaker 3>happened here? You can find going through there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of threads. There's threads on Blue Sky, threads on Twitter, threads,

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<v Speaker 3>and various articles that are basically all copies of each

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<v Speaker 3>other that are collecting a bunch of these accounts that

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<v Speaker 3>have been busted, right. One good example would be the

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<v Speaker 3>Magination verified account, which has almost four hundred thousand followers.

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<v Speaker 3>Started in twenty twenty four, it's had five name changes

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<v Speaker 3>since October twenty twenty five, and it is based in

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<v Speaker 3>Eastern Europe Non EU.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's a nation, yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people have taken to mean like it's Russian,

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<v Speaker 3>right yeah. Another account is the Ivanka news Trump, which

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<v Speaker 3>displays as Ivanka Trump, even though it has nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with her, which it does note in its Twitter bio.

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<v Speaker 3>The account was started in twenty ten, it has had

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<v Speaker 3>eleven user changes since August of twenty twenty four, and

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<v Speaker 3>it is apparently based in Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're seeing like aload a shitload of stuff like this right,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's being taken unfortunately. I think this is a

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<v Speaker 3>mistake and I hate to be like the hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>stop being happy about this, but you should because you're

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<v Speaker 3>wrong about what's happening here. Most people are like the

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<v Speaker 3>Daily Beast account posts some liberal Twitter account being like

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<v Speaker 3>this is total armageddon for the online right. It's looking

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<v Speaker 3>like half of their large accounts were foreigners posting as

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<v Speaker 3>Americans all along. Now, let me clarify a couple things.

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<v Speaker 3>For one thing, nothing that Elon has done here, nothing

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<v Speaker 3>that Twitter has revealed has proven that these accounts exist

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<v Speaker 3>in any particular country. I'm going to explain why a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people use something called a vp and a

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<v Speaker 3>VPN masks the location that you're browsing and logging in from, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can use a VPN to look like you're

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<v Speaker 3>posting from almost any country on the planet, and there

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<v Speaker 3>is no evidence whatsoever that Twitter has done anything at

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<v Speaker 3>all to deal with this right to like make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that they're getting someone's actual location. A bunch of accounts,

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of like people have pointed out like, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 3>this is saying I'm from a country that I've literally

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<v Speaker 3>never been to, Like here's my information. I'm very transparent.

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<v Speaker 3>And there have also been organizations, including liberal you know,

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<v Speaker 3>coded organizations, that have been mistakenly identified as coming from

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<v Speaker 3>a country that they are not set up. And for example,

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<v Speaker 3>the Planned Parenthood account was showing us from Germany, which

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<v Speaker 3>is ignited this conspiracy theory on the right that Planned

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<v Speaker 3>Parenthood is some European fucking influence op in the United States. No,

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<v Speaker 3>they used a VPN because they're in danger because it's

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<v Speaker 3>Planned Parenthood, right.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I ran into a very similar situation because

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<v Speaker 2>I mostly use Twitter to look at yowie now, and

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<v Speaker 2>when I was in Germany last month, it wouldn't let

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<v Speaker 2>me look at the AWI without putting in my government

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<v Speaker 2>ID for like age verification, sure of course, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the state hits garrison, so obviously a non starter. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not I'm not, I'm not giving X. The everything app

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<v Speaker 2>my government id to allow me to look at Yawi

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<v Speaker 2>in Germany. Sure, so instead I had to put on

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<v Speaker 2>the VPN so I'm back in the States and then

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<v Speaker 2>I can look at the AYAUI. So it's basically the

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<v Speaker 2>same situation between me and Planned Parenthood here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I've said often that you and Planned Parenthood basically

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<v Speaker 3>identical beings. What's happening here is it is worth talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's worth talking about not because we suddenly know

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<v Speaker 3>the truth that it's been revealed about. We don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know anything more than we did before this change came in, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well except Robert, I mean the biggest the biggest news

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<v Speaker 2>is that the DHS has been a massad operation this

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<v Speaker 2>last time. Yes, that's right, Yes, like we've always suspected.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the the Department of Homeland Security account I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was, got listed as having been based in Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not real, Like it's not this isn't even

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<v Speaker 3>X fucking up. Somebody just edited a screenshot and there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many of these going around, hundreds and hundreds of them,

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<v Speaker 3>right that this just kind of got shuffled in to

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<v Speaker 3>the flood and a lot of people didn't catch it right,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just gets integrated into people's beliefs about the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a standard story with how Twitter works now.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is, by the way, is overall I think

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<v Speaker 3>beneficial to Musk and his kind of people, which is

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<v Speaker 3>that we know less every day about the world. There's

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<v Speaker 3>more disinformation about what's happening. People are less keyed in

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<v Speaker 3>on reality and more just getting locked into different delusions.

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<v Speaker 3>Like That's what the story is here, which is that

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<v Speaker 3>this app and the way that social media in general works,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly in this age, each of these changes, even the

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<v Speaker 3>ones that get celebrated as having revealed something, are just

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<v Speaker 3>fogging up reality, and they're doing it in such a

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<v Speaker 3>way as to make it so that like no one

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<v Speaker 3>knows anything about what's going on. Right, this is like

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<v Speaker 3>that this is the standard playbook that you've been getting

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<v Speaker 3>out of like authoritarian regimes from forever.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>What's important is not that just their propaganda be out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that there's not really any any way for there

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<v Speaker 3>to be a consensus reality. Because if there'sn't consensus reality,

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<v Speaker 3>then you can't put together a large enough block of

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<v Speaker 3>people who all believe basically the same things about reality

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<v Speaker 3>to stop what's going on, right, that's what's happening here,

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<v Speaker 3>And you're wrong if you're looking at this as good,

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<v Speaker 3>if you believe that this has blown up the right

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<v Speaker 3>and that this has done damage to them, they're saying

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<v Speaker 3>the same things about you and about the left because

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<v Speaker 3>a shitload of people use VPNs and you can always

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<v Speaker 3>cherry pick a bunch of and I'm not again, none

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<v Speaker 3>of that I'm saying is not saying that they're in

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<v Speaker 3>a shitload like Elon has specifically incentivized foreign accounts in

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<v Speaker 3>different countries to make money by getting into the US

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<v Speaker 3>culture war, right, That is absolutely a big part of

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<v Speaker 3>how Twitter works today. No one's denying that. What I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying is that you don't know any more than you

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<v Speaker 3>did before this came out, because you have no way

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<v Speaker 3>of knowing if any of these accounts are based. Where

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<v Speaker 3>is saying they're based because of how VPNs work. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I've got to say.

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<v Speaker 4>It's incredibly annoying. It's incredibly annoying that we have to

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<v Speaker 4>continue writing about eggs everything. The half of half of

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<v Speaker 4>Blue Sky is people just virtue signaling that they're not

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<v Speaker 4>using Twitter, and I'm being mad at Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, this will get me flat, But it's the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing about like whether people are angry about substack or

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<v Speaker 3>fucking Instagram or Twitter or whatever. Like, if you're using

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<v Speaker 3>social media, you're not doing yourself any favors. And they're

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<v Speaker 3>all pretty supportive of bad things and bad people. And

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<v Speaker 3>we use them anyway because that's the world. Like we

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<v Speaker 3>spend dollars anyway, and let me tell you, dollars support

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<v Speaker 3>some bad things. We pay taxes, and boy howdy, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like where a lot of those taxes go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but don't don't pretend.

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<v Speaker 3>That because you pick the right social media app that

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<v Speaker 3>you're not fucking your brain up and introducing yourself to

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of things that aren't true. We all do it,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, they're not good for humans broadly. Do you want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about something else it's not good for humans?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's not talk about fucking X the every goddamn thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye anymore?

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<v Speaker 4>No, Unfortunately, I have I have something Robert which does

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<v Speaker 4>relate to X great everything app. So let's talk about Axios.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, are you guys familiar with Axios. It's the

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<v Speaker 4>use oatelet for people who hate paragraphs.

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<v Speaker 2>People who love cocaine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, for people reading the news while they're

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<v Speaker 4>having a dump. That is what Axios is for. They

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<v Speaker 4>ship out news for you to read while you're having a.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship again, which makes cocaine even a bigger part of

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<v Speaker 3>the picture here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's like it's like the ADHD is like

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<v Speaker 2>ideal news source.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, you do a line, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>go take a ship, you catch up on your news.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's that's what they called productivity. That's that's the

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<v Speaker 4>Robert Evans grindset, the morning routine that everyone's been asked.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really it's really genius of fucking Axios to hit

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<v Speaker 3>that demographic exactly because those people also have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of money because they're all day traders. True true, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I have I have polymarket on the Califi on the

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<v Speaker 2>other Axios always pulled up.

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<v Speaker 4>That's split screening.

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<v Speaker 3>You have one of those Apple like flat grass glass

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<v Speaker 3>touch screen panels. But it's just for doing coke off

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<v Speaker 3>of you've just got lines kind off on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's because the metaglass is a contact right looping

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<v Speaker 4>Axio screen at your Axios and use that left for

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<v Speaker 4>people who are taking cocaine. Has seemingly been duped into

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<v Speaker 4>running a Russian wish list as a proposed piece plant

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<v Speaker 4>in Ukraine. Yeah great, this is what happens when you

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<v Speaker 4>do journalism the speed of paranoia. But this has come

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<v Speaker 4>at the same time as Trump has proclaimed via truth

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<v Speaker 4>the medium of a truth on through social that Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>was not showing suficient gratitude for what we had like

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<v Speaker 4>eleven month of him failing to end the war.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So this twenty eight point plan was first published by Axios,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was pretty much immediately rejected by a number

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<v Speaker 4>of Senators, led by Senator Angus King, who were at

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<v Speaker 4>a security conference in Halifax, Halifax, Canada. Not og Halifax,

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<v Speaker 4>shout out yeah Halifax Junior. The senators pretty much immediately

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<v Speaker 4>said that the US was not the author of the document.

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<v Speaker 4>Rubio quote made it very clear to us that we

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<v Speaker 4>are recipients of a proposal that was delivered to one

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<v Speaker 4>of our representatives, said Senator Mike Grounds. So what they

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<v Speaker 4>are saying is that the US didn't write to document

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<v Speaker 4>and it was delivered to them. One can safely assume

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<v Speaker 4>by Russia. Right, Rubio using X the Everything app then

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<v Speaker 4>attempted to deny this. So what it appeared years has

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<v Speaker 4>happened is that this plan was drafted by Russian special

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<v Speaker 4>envoy dmitriev probably was Steve Witkoff.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure that sounds right.

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<v Speaker 4>So Wickkoff is Trump's what is I think he's a

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<v Speaker 4>special envoy to Russia at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe he's an onvoid of Russia. Yeah, Warren

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<v Speaker 3>Zevon wrote a song about guys like him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah he has. He has not covered himself in

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<v Speaker 4>glory in his time doing this. He's kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>useful fool. He's formerly like a real estate.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy that'll prepare you to deal with Vladimir Putin, having

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<v Speaker 3>sold houses during the subprime mortgage crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, Like it's pretty much what he's doing here, right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like he's consistently been duped and pretty much has become

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<v Speaker 4>an advocate for the Russian point of view a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the times. In this case, it seems that it

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<v Speaker 4>was then strategically leaked to Axios. Right when Barak Ravid,

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<v Speaker 4>who authored the Axios article, posted it on Eggs the

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<v Speaker 4>Everything web site. Steve Whitcoff responded saying, quote, he must

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<v Speaker 4>have got this from K. This is very funny because

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<v Speaker 4>we have Steve Witcoff right negotiating a peace process which

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<v Speaker 4>affects millions of people, and he also doesn't know how

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<v Speaker 4>to use the DM button on X the Everything website.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair, X the Everything I've just changed their

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<v Speaker 2>DMS and the whole the whole user interface for the

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<v Speaker 2>DMS is completely different. Now you have to put in

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<v Speaker 2>like a pass co and they claim to be encrypted,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's much uglier to look at.

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<v Speaker 4>So in defense in defense of Steve, instead you can

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<v Speaker 4>instead leak.

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<v Speaker 2>The safer, more secure option might just be to do

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<v Speaker 2>it all in public.

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<v Speaker 4>And to do it in public. Yeah, So so Steve

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<v Speaker 4>of course using a code name there K will never know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>because we can possibly tell that Careal Dimitria my might

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<v Speaker 4>be using K as a code name also the first

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<v Speaker 4>letter of his first name. So it seems very like

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<v Speaker 4>that either Dmitrie of someone else in Russia decided to

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<v Speaker 4>leak this plan to Barakraavid or Dave Lawler, knowing it

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<v Speaker 4>would be raised at a press conference of belling that Trump, who,

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<v Speaker 4>according towards the Post, seems to have very little detailed

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<v Speaker 4>knowledges and negotiations. Would probably see this as a quote

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<v Speaker 4>unquote deal that then he could claim for himself, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and it worked. I want to talk about how Axios's

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<v Speaker 4>model makes that possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very well aware that Barackravid was a member of

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<v Speaker 4>the eighty two hundred unit in Israel. If people I'm familiar,

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<v Speaker 4>that's like a sigint Israeli intelligence unit. This is widely known.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen this being discussed in sort of relation to this.

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<v Speaker 4>The thing is, he doesn't need to be nefarious for

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<v Speaker 4>this to happen, and I think the most likely option

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<v Speaker 4>here is that the Axios model is to do insider

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<v Speaker 4>journalism and then rush to be the first to post

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<v Speaker 4>it on social media and then get a bazillion clicks

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<v Speaker 4>for your z seventy eight word article. Right. That is

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<v Speaker 4>how That is their entire business model.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the name of their whole game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's why they don't use paragraphs. It's news for

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<v Speaker 4>people who are like waiting for their coffee at Starbucks

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever the problem is in this case, states are

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<v Speaker 4>or nonstate actors, right, can effectively place a leak and

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<v Speaker 4>they know that Axios will rush it to press probably

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<v Speaker 4>in minutes, if not ours. And with the way that

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<v Speaker 4>the United States executive branches right now, it seems very

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<v Speaker 4>clear that that they can get it in front of Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>then they're going to get a reaction one way or another.

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<v Speaker 4>So it seems that Rubio was effectively cut out, that

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<v Speaker 4>the United States Secretary of State was effectively cut out

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<v Speaker 4>of this whole process. And there's a lot of reporting about,

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<v Speaker 4>like I don't want to do kremlinology for the Trump

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<v Speaker 4>White House particularly, but it shows how these news outlets,

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<v Speaker 4>these news outlets are sort of don't fact check that

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<v Speaker 4>rush to press, to do everything for social media can

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<v Speaker 4>effectively be used right in a way that the benefits

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<v Speaker 4>in this case Russia, but any number of organizations could

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<v Speaker 4>do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert mentioned some kind of like Wartimes warn that some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Wartimes song, And I was wondering, where is

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<v Speaker 2>the country of Zevon? You said, there's like a song

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<v Speaker 2>about Warren Zevon.

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus Garrison, Garrison, get out of you hears about discrimination

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<v Speaker 4>in the workplace. Ah, I'm going to do a Woody

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<v Speaker 4>Guthrie thing in my next series. And Gary is just

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<v Speaker 4>going to sail straight past Garrison. You listen to Johnny

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<v Speaker 4>Cash Garrison, I liked.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Johnny Cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, James Cash.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they call me. Here's the ads.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're.

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<v Speaker 2>New Doge news for the first time in who knows

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<v Speaker 2>how the news being. There's no more Doge. According to

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<v Speaker 2>a report in Reuter's, DOGE has disbended eight months before

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<v Speaker 2>its scheduled expiration in July of twenty twenty seven. When

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<v Speaker 2>asked about the status of Doge earlier this month, Office

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<v Speaker 2>of Personal Management director Scott Poor told Reuters quote that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist, adding that DOGE is no longer a quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote centralized entity. Yeah. Boro has also said that the

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<v Speaker 2>DOGE mandated hiring freeze is over and that there's quote

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<v Speaker 2>no target around reductions unquote, meaning that the DOGE era

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<v Speaker 2>rule of having to fire a certain number of people

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<v Speaker 2>in order to be allowed to hire people is no

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<v Speaker 2>longer in use as well. And this isn't really surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>You have not really heard about many DOGE related stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't been doing anything in a while. Musk has

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<v Speaker 3>basically been out of the center loop of things. But

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<v Speaker 3>also they did the things that they were needed to do, right.

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<v Speaker 3>They did up massacred large portions of government employees. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>did permanent damage to the administrative state and cost several

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand people around the world their lives through cuts

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<v Speaker 3>in USA.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like two former DOGE employees, including big Balls,

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<v Speaker 2>now just work on web design for US government websites,

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<v Speaker 2>and other DOG officials have moved to agencies which they

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<v Speaker 2>administered cuts to. A former DOGE team member, Zachary Terrell

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<v Speaker 2>is now the chief technology officer at the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Health and Human Services, And Jeremy Lewin, who assisted the

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<v Speaker 2>slashing of you say it, now oversees foreign assistants at

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<v Speaker 2>the State Department.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So those guys got jobs out of this. All of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who got fired or got natively impacted by

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<v Speaker 2>the government shutdown are probably not going to be coming

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<v Speaker 2>out as well as mister big Balls here.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's some evidence that a number of folks who

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<v Speaker 3>worked with DOGE are now feeling left in the wind

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<v Speaker 3>and potentially in danger because there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people who want these folks to be prosecuted for what

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<v Speaker 3>they did. Yeah, there's definitely talk about that. If there's

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<v Speaker 3>another democratic administration, we'll see if they would ever have

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<v Speaker 3>the big balls to do it. But there was an

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<v Speaker 3>article in Politico recently and I'm going to read a

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<v Speaker 3>quote from that Musk had not just been their visionary

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<v Speaker 3>leader for them, he was their protector, the man who

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<v Speaker 3>had an elect direct line to Trump, who they believed

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<v Speaker 3>could pick up the phone and secure a presidential pardon

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<v Speaker 3>if the worst came. Without his presence in Washington, they

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<v Speaker 3>were suddenly exposed. A senior DOSE figure named Donald Park

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<v Speaker 3>tried to reassure his colleagues that they were still brothers

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<v Speaker 3>in arms and that Musk would continue to protect them.

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<v Speaker 3>That led to another protesting and advising, guys, seriously, get

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<v Speaker 3>your own lawyer if you needed. He LUNs great, but

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<v Speaker 3>you need to watch your own back. Watch your backs, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, these guys would be some of the more like

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<v Speaker 4>presumably very easy to prosecute and like obvious targets. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>another democratic administration's.

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<v Speaker 3>Some really obvious crimes in terms of like protect action

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<v Speaker 3>of information, you know, like some some pretty obvious rule

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<v Speaker 3>breaking that went on that's not being prosecuted now, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're right, it could be prosecuted in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Those like first three four months of the Trump admin.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye what it really was just full steam ahead on

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<v Speaker 2>the Silicon Valley version of things, right, like the move

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<v Speaker 2>fast and brave things. Yeah, that's such a wild time

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<v Speaker 2>to look back on, not only just in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>how much damage they did, but the idea that if

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to continue at that pace for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the term. The government already is fundamentally different

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways, but like how much worse that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been? Yeah, Yeah, and if Musk's ego is in

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<v Speaker 2>part what's sabotaged that from being complete and really kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doing that more like Jarvin inspired project. Yeah, Hubris

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<v Speaker 2>uh kills kills a man once again. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>aspects of like the doge idea and this government efficiency

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<v Speaker 2>thing which aren't fully going away like this, this still

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<v Speaker 2>is an aspect of the Trump administration. There still is

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<v Speaker 2>like some of those guys at the Auspice of Budget

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<v Speaker 2>and Management and the Hair twenty twenty five guys who

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of this government efficiency quote unquote government

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<v Speaker 2>efficiency type stuff that they're still working on, including at

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<v Speaker 2>the Education Department, which last week the Trump administration took

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<v Speaker 2>another step towards closing the Department of Education by shifting

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<v Speaker 2>some of its duties to other federal agencies, which the

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<v Speaker 2>Admin claims will quote streamline federal education activities on the

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<v Speaker 2>legally required programs, and reduce administrative burden unquote. That is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be done by these six new interagency agreements

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<v Speaker 2>which have been signed with the Departments of Labor, Interior,

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<v Speaker 2>Health and Human Services, and State. The Education Department writing

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<v Speaker 2>in an announcement that this will quote break up the

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<v Speaker 2>federal bureaucracy, ensure efficient delivery of funded programs activities, and

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<v Speaker 2>move closer to fulfilling the President's promise to return education

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<v Speaker 2>to the States. So by splitting up Education Department duties

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<v Speaker 2>among the four different agencies in three different interagency agreements,

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<v Speaker 2>this is supposed to cut red tape and lighten central bureaucracy.

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<v Speaker 4>You have seven entities now what one entity did before.

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<v Speaker 2>The elementary, high school, and post secondary programs will now

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<v Speaker 2>be administered by the Department of Labor.

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<v Speaker 4>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll now overseee over thirty billion dollars in education grants

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<v Speaker 2>aimed at trying to boost the number of Americans in

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<v Speaker 2>the workforce. The Department of the Interior will be taking

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<v Speaker 2>over the education departments to Indian education programs and integrating

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<v Speaker 2>them into existing programs administered by the Department of the Interior,

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<v Speaker 2>with quote unquote proper oversight by the Education Department. College

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<v Speaker 2>childcare programs, and foreign medical school accreditation will be administered

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<v Speaker 2>and overseen by the Health and Human Services, and the

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<v Speaker 2>State Department will now oversee all foreign education programs, handle

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<v Speaker 2>international education grants, and fully administer the full Bright program.

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<v Speaker 2>Justification for this State Department takeover of these funds specifically

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<v Speaker 2>cited five instances of grants that were used to fund

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<v Speaker 2>academic and medical research on trans people, writing that these

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<v Speaker 2>programs have deviated from the core mission on The announcement

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<v Speaker 2>from the Education Departments reads that the State Department is

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<v Speaker 2>quote best positioned to tailor foreign education programs with the

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<v Speaker 2>national security and foreign policy priorities of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>This partnership provides an opportunity to streamline international education program

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<v Speaker 2>funding and data collection measures, consolidate program management, and advance

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<v Speaker 2>national security interests.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't seem great. Huh.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>This last part is particularly concerning that the US previously

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<v Speaker 4>has done a lot of funding of education programs around

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<v Speaker 4>the world, and to see that pretty much I like

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<v Speaker 4>with this current vasion of the State Department either disappear

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<v Speaker 4>or become even more up propaganda. Like it's really worrying.

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<v Speaker 4>This kind of builds on that dose stuff that you

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about. This is the end of the State

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<v Speaker 4>Department doing anything other than the propaganda and I guess

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<v Speaker 4>warmaking well.

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<v Speaker 2>And specifically, like Rubio's focus on education has been to

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<v Speaker 2>crack down on academics palestatiing academics, academics who have who

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<v Speaker 2>have protest in support of Palestine. That's specifically what Rubio

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<v Speaker 2>has talked about in terms of you know, universities. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so with all the stuff in that statement about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>national security and foreign policy priorities, it's not hard to

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<v Speaker 2>see what they could be gesturing towards. Yeah, as the

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<v Speaker 2>announcements are currently written, a lot of the programs itself,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in the trench transitionary period, remain kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the same. They're shifting who is like quote unquote administering them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the word they use a lot. But they're not

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<v Speaker 2>cutting funds to these programs at the moment, and they

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<v Speaker 2>do talk about them as like legally required programs. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Carolyn Levitt and Linda McMahon have said, this

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<v Speaker 2>is just one step towards well fully sending education back

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<v Speaker 2>to the States.

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<v Speaker 1>Woh.

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<v Speaker 4>This also was sort of like in massive disparities in

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<v Speaker 4>educational outcomes state by state in the United States, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>we already have that to some extent, but that's only

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<v Speaker 4>going to be exacerbated by this. Right talking about things

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<v Speaker 4>happening between the states, let's talk about Gregory Buffino, person

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<v Speaker 4>who supposedly patrols the borders of the United States but

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.919
<v Speaker 4>has more recently been doing internal enforcement for the Border Patrol.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave an interview to AP recently that I was

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<v Speaker 4>just reading. They did confirm interestingly that like a few

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<v Speaker 4>weeks ago, maybe months ago, we've been talking about Bevino

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<v Speaker 4>and like trying to work out if he was still

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<v Speaker 4>chief Patrol agent in El Centro. It appears that he is.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's also reminder of this operation at large, which

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 4>is their sort of the thing that has moved from

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 4>Los Angeles to Chicago, which is now in Charlotte. Right,

0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 4>this sort of internal enforcement operation. He calls his team

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 4>and now quote unquote sanctuary busters, and he said that

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<v Speaker 4>quote there will be no more sanctuaries, which kind of

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<v Speaker 4>does build on what I spoke about in our last

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<v Speaker 4>ed right when we spoke about the idea that the

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 4>reason they had targeted Charlotte was because it appeared on

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 4>that CIS map quote unquote sanctuary city or sanctuary jurisdiction,

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<v Speaker 4>despite the passage of legislation in the state which would

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 4>have prevented it doing the things that the sanctuaries do.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to talk about this ABC investigation into

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 4>CBP's use of licensed plate readers. CBPS has had these

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 4>for like eight or nine years now. I found the

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 4>twenty seventeen piece they wrote out their justification for using them. Right,

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:58.679
<v Speaker 4>Their use has grown immensely right in a yeah, and

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 4>it has grown under both of meministrations we've I suppose

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Trump administration from twenty twenty by the administration twenty twenty,

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 4>twenty eighty four. We spoke actually in an episode that

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was just Robert and I in that

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 4>episode when we spoke about Gavin Newsom. People love that

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 4>episode and they send me great feedback, because guys, it's

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 4>important that we all know that the only person standing

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 4>up against Trump right now is Gavin Newsom. Everything else

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 4>is pointless. But in that episode, we spoke about how

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 4>many California jurisdictions share license plate reader information with federal

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 4>immigration authorities, even when California law prohibits them from doing so. Right,

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 4>this is kind of one of those these things they

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 4>were it's a ratchet, right. Once you give that power

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 4>to the state, it belongs to all of the state,

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 4>and you can never take it back. Automated license to

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<v Speaker 4>plate readers have been a big thing in this kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the post twenty twenty tendency of democratic mayors in

0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 4>big cities to massively increase spending on the police and

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 4>massively increase police surveillance. We have automated cameras on our

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 4>lampposts here in San Diego now right, California has prosecuted

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 4>one jurisdiction that I'm aware of, which is Alcoholone. People

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 4>will be familiar with alcoholne from Alcoholone. Mayor Bill Well's

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 4>attempt to make a country music song about how schools

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 4>are turning kids trans that is un ironically probably the

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 4>most national use it that ALCOHOLA has made for a while.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 4>But bundahursued Alcoholone for showing that data. My guess is

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.879
<v Speaker 4>that that is because it's alcoholone, right, Because alcohol is

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 4>a city where the mayor makes a country music song

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 4>about how schools are turning children trans like it's very

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 4>obviously like a partisan prosecution. There are many other jurisdictions

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 4>doing this. What Border Patrol does with these cameras is

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 4>it targets quote unquote suspicious activities and then it requests stops.

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes this stops an made by Border Patrol, but are

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 4>made by local police right on the pretext of something

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 4>like speeding or failing to signal before you change lanes,

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 4>having a break light out could be many, many things, right.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:17.120
<v Speaker 4>The ABC piece quoted Deputy Joel bab Of saying, quote,

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 4>the beautiful thing about the Texas traffic code is there

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 4>thousands of things you can stop a vehicle for. The

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 4>idea here is not to explicitly talk about the license

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 4>plate readers, right, And the fact that they are using

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 4>these to do predictive surveillance is what they call it. Right,

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 4>They're trying to highlight like suspicious patterns of vehicle motion

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 4>and stop people. The piece has some they obtained through

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 4>public records requests from a court case a whatchapp group

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 4>chat between Border Patrol and Texas officers, which the opposite

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 4>shared movement, social media profiles, car rentals, and home addresses

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 4>of people who they were interested in surveilling. Right, and

0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 4>it reveals a massive level of surveillance. You know, if

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 4>you if you're thinking of border patrol and you're still

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 4>under the impression that in America, the border can't come

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 4>to you wherever you are, this is another example of

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 4>why that's not true. Right, DHS uses these all over

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 4>the country to include outside of one hundred mile border

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 4>enforcement zone. Right, this piece seems to believe that the

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 4>board one hundred mile zone is it's like a legal

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 4>hard line. It's not. It's an interpretation of a quote

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 4>unquote reasonable distance. There is no hard line stopping BP

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 4>for operating further from the border than that. That is

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 4>just generally where the interpretation of a reasonable distance from

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 4>the border is perceived to fall. Border patrol has these

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 4>cameras at fixed points, so like that would be border

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 4>patrol crossings. You know, when you enter or enter the

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 4>enter or leave the country at a port of entry

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 4>and then at checkpoints. Right, people will be familiar with

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 4>checkpoints that live in a border area. And then they

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 4>also have these in mobile and covert capacities. Right, and

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.959
<v Speaker 4>they're using them to find people who might be driving

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 4>near the border or staying and and then leaving at

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 4>a strange time, and then they're building a profile of

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 4>those people's movements and using that request stops. Right. It's

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 4>a level of surveillance that I think should be worrying

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 4>to many people.

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And they have access to these like larger integrated camera

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>networks like by Flock Safety, which I've talked about before,

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.479
<v Speaker 2>including I think yesterday's episode, as Flock is like an

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta based company that rose to prominence through their surveillance

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 2>around the forest where Copsity was being constructed. Now Flock

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>is all over the country, and Border Patrol has access

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>to the Flock system. Yeah, and it's used for a

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of other really dubious stuff, including in Texas.

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I think four h four Media did a report not

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>too long ago about Texas sheriffs tracking a pregnant woman

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>getting an abortion not in Texas.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.959
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, yeah, I can see. Yeah, Texas law makes

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 4>it a crime to leave the state in order to

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 4>get an abortion or something, right, and so that would

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 4>be the I guess their excuse here, But like I

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 4>think we can all see that that's a pretty pretty

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 4>disgusting use of the surveilance state. Yeah, these things grew

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 4>massively in the time period between twenty twenty and today,

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 4>and it was not just in Republican jurisdictions. Right, there's

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 4>this like unabated support for state surveillance that we saw

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 4>all over the United States is now being turned against

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 4>migrants and anybody who is suspected of helping them, which

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 4>is not great. Talking of not great, we have an

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 4>obligation to pivot to add I'm happy.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that's great. I love I love having a job.

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 4>I enjoyed to consume products and services.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 3>How's everybody doing good?

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Banging, pretty good, pretty good. I just finished my

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Asahi smoothie from the Hair Heritage Social twenty twenty four cup,

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 2>so I feel great.

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 6>That's great.

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's good for you.

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Garrison really coming together, you know, politics from different sides

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>coming together to enjoy a smoothie. Not unlike the meeting

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 2>between Zora Mum, Donnie and Donald Trump.

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, Oh how long did you plan that for?

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Garrishon? Like literally five seconds? It just it just came out.

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 4>We don't do smooth transitions here like that.

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know sometimes do you know who was smooth?

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>It was Zoramum Donnie during that meeting, which bit like

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>a duck's back, like a like a seal.

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 4>That kind of smoothness is.

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Trump seemed pretty pretty enamored. Mister mum Donnie mayor elect

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Mom Donnie. Quote, we have one thing in common. We

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 2>want this city of ours to do very well unquote.

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>So this was on Friday, Trump and Mum Donnie had

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>a private meeting in the White House. Afterwards a thirty

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>minute press conference in the Oval Office where Trump was

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>sitting down and soa was kind of looming over the

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>side of Trump the whole time, never fully smiling, always

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>having a little bit of like a a tiny like

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 2>both sided smirk, but not doing his traditional happy smile.

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 2>He had a very different look in the White House.

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>But as soon as the press conference started, it was

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 2>clear that the meeting went very well for Momdannie. Trump

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>was exuberant about the man.

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he seemed really excited. Yeah, it's a little weird,

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 3>but he seemed really excited.

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>He stated that they have common ground on getting housing built,

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>on affordability, on food and prices coming down saying, quote,

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 2>there's no difference in party, and we're going to be

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 2>helping him to make everybody's dream come true unquote.

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 4>Everybody's stream doctory amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, First, I want to play Zoron's initial statement as

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the press conference started on what they spoke about during

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>this meeting.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciated the meeting with the President, and as he said,

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 7>it was a productive meeting forocused on the place of

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 7>shared admiration and love, which is New York City, and

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 7>the need to deliver affordability to New Yorkers, the eight

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.399
<v Speaker 7>and a half million people who call our city their home,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 7>who are struggling to afford life in the most expensive

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 7>city in the.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 8>United States of America.

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.280
<v Speaker 7>We spoke about we spoke about groceries, we spoke about utilities,

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 7>we spoke about the different ways in which people are

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 7>being pushed out. And I appreciated the time with the President.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 7>I appreciated the conversation. I look forward to working together

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 7>to deliver that affordability for the orders.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 4>It's one of the posture people with the green line.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 4>The green line.

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I've seen yeah, that going on a couple

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 3>of times.

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 4>They've already they've had that way with it.

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 2>They've been on it.

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, okay, it does seem tense. The vibes in

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 3>that room must have been very, very weird.

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>N Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, no, Zorn's very tense. Trump's

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to relax. Like bad late.

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.439
<v Speaker 4>Face that you've posted on gas he is, I can.

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Only it's like a shit eating grin on Trump's face. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.800
<v Speaker 3>like he does seem genuinely half thrilled. Yeah, it's weird.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 4>He likes to be associated with winners.

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the big things, right A lot

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 2>of I mean, we'll talk about this more and that

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 2>takes okay at this, but but yeah, I think it's

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 2>very clear why Trump's actually having a good time here.

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Zoron's like the most popular politician in the country right now,

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and Trump likes winners. And if anything, Zoron has proven

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to be an underdog that has an enormous capacity for winning,

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and I think Trump does like that, and that, coupled

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 2>with a genuine love for New York, I think Zoron

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.919
<v Speaker 2>was able to navigate around Trump pretty successfully. When asked

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 2>about Zoron being a communist, Trump said, quote, I feel

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>very confident he can do a good job I think

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>it's going to surprise some conservative people actually unquote, and.

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 3>You should add what he said about liberal people because

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 3>I thought that was his funniest line.

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh then also liberal people, but they already like him

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>too or something.

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think they'll be surprised, they'll just be yeah, yes,

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 3>they like him because they already like him. It was

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>very funny. It was very funny.

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump's talked about how a lot of Trump voters actually

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>voted for Zoron as well, saying quote unquote, I'm okay

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 2>with that, And so I mentioned that, yes, one in

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>ten Trump voters in New York voted for Zoron, and

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 2>zor mentioned the end to forever wars and the cost

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>living crisis as the driving motivators that voters spoke about

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 2>as he was campaigning. Throughout this press conference, and we

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 2>can assume some degree of the meeting, Zoron was very

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>laser focused on New York specifically, And you've even seen

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>this in interviews that he's given to like NBC and

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 2>other outlets the past few days, where people are asking

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 2>him about, you know, the Democratic Party as a whole

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 2>and national level, and Zoron repeatedly just goes back to

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 2>affordability in New York. This is like the one thing

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>that he's going to keep talking about. He doesn't want

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 2>to talk about any anything else, really, And this was

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 2>evident throughout this meeting, the way that Zorn would would

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 2>reiterate every question to being about New York. But they

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't shy away from talking about the things they disagreed

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 2>on on, like an ideaological sense, ICE being one of them.

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Here's one of their exchanges about ICE.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 5>Resident, you've threatened to send federal troops to New York City.

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 5>You both have differences when it comes to ICE agents

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 5>in New York City. Mister Mundanie, you've called ICE a

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 5>rogue government entity. I wonder how you reconcile your differences

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 5>on both of those issues.

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 8>I think you're going to work them out.

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 9>And I think that if we have known murderers and

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.839
<v Speaker 9>known drug dealers and some very bad people, you know,

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 9>we want to get them out, and the mayor ones

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 9>have we discussed there is a great length actually, maybe

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 9>more than anything else, he wants to have a safe

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 9>New York. Ultimately, a safe New York is going to

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 9>be a great New York. If it's not safe, no.

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 8>Matter how well we do with pricing and with anything else.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 8>We can talk about anything you want.

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 9>If you don't have safe streets, it's not going to

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 9>be a success.

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 8>So we're going to work together.

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 9>We're going to make sure that if they're horrible people,

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 9>we want to get him out. I think he wants

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 9>to get him out, maybe more than I do, so

0:37:59.200 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 9>we'll work together.

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 2>They talked about ICE at one later point in the meeting,

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>where you get kind of a peak at what some

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>of this conversation may have been like behind the scenes,

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 2>about trying to target any ICE enforcement against people who

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>have criminal records rather than these roving raids that round

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 2>up but just swaths of undocumented people like the Canal

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Street raid a few weeks ago. It's still not super

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>clear what they are talking about, but there's not compromise

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>in this point. Like Trump's obviously going to try to

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>frame this in a way that strengthens Trump's own positions

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 2>on this, and I think Zoron will do the same.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Before we discuss I don't want to play this the

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 2>second bit of their discussion, because you get more of

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Zoron's angle.

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 7>We discussed ICE and New York City, and I spoke

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 7>about how the laws that we have in New York

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 7>City allow for New York City government to speak to

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 7>the federal administration for about one hundred and seventy serious crimes,

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 7>the concerns that many New Yorkers have around the enforcement

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 7>of immigration laws on New Yorkers across the Five boroughs,

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 7>and most recently, we're talking about a mother and her

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 7>two children. How this has very little to do with

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 7>what that is.

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 8>Is we discuss crime more than ice per se.

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 9>We discuss crime, and he doesn't want to see crime,

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 9>and I don't want to see crime, and I have

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 9>very little doubt that we're not going to get along

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 9>on that issue. He wants to and he said some

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 9>things that were very interesting, very interesting as to housing construction,

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 9>and he wants to see houses go up. He wants

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 9>to see a lot of houses created, a lot of

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:40.760
<v Speaker 9>apartments built, et cetera. And you know, we actually people

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.319
<v Speaker 9>would be shocked. But I want to see the same thing.

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 8>See that.

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that worries me a little bit.

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 2>What about that worries you?

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 4>I can tell what Trump's.

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 3>Trying to do, which is that he really would like

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 3>to get Mom Donnie on his side and he's interestingly

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 3>for Trump, I think he is willing to move on

0:39:56.760 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 3>some things if he can fundamentally get Mom Donnie who

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.839
<v Speaker 3>agree that ice has a use. Yeah, right, Like that's

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 3>what he's clearly trying to do, and he's clearly trying

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 3>to portray it as we've already agreed on that. And

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:13.479
<v Speaker 3>I think that within the context of this meeting, because

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 3>of how the questions were being asked, I don't think

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 3>Zorn got enough of a chance to fully address that question.

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'll leave it open to see how that is,

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 3>like like how he deals with that in the future,

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think he got enough of an opportunity

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.720
<v Speaker 3>to push back enough on some of the things Trump

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 3>was claiming here. That does concern me a little bit,

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Like I think it's more a factor of how an

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Oval Office press conference is structured. But I do think

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 3>that it's like I can see what Trump's trying to

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 3>do well.

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 2>I think what Mum Donnie is trying to navigate for

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 2>is if he can put an end to roving ice

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 2>rates that just like that just round up people at

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 2>whether they're at restaurants or from depots, and if there's

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>people who are who have been incarcerated who are incarcerated,

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 2>and if removal operations are specifically against except like what

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and seventy like serious crimes, and if that

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 2>is a sort of compromise, I guess I don't know,

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not an office. Yes, it's it's unclear the

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 2>way that this would this would be enacted. Yeah, but

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 2>if it's an harm reduction measure of stopping ICE raids

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 2>from happening or limiting the amount that ICE is able

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 2>to operate as as basically a rodenty within the city,

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think we know enough to like actually

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 2>see what that will look like yet, because he's not

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 2>taking office for another what like forty five days.

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah, what he's talking about when Trump goes about crime,

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 4>crime is what they have always talked about, right, right,

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 4>When when they talk about the ICE enforcement, the crimes

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 4>that they are speaking about, very right, they will always

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 4>give the example of the person who's been convicted of

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 4>child abuse, of murder, of domestic violence. Right, But then

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 4>they will also go ahead and say the crossing between

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 4>ports of entry can be prosecuted as a crime, and

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 4>then they will use that as a justification for taking

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 4>anyone right and specifically people who have entered within the

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 4>last two years, many of whom were shipped to New

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 4>York from other states, and saying, well, these people entered

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 4>between ports of entry, which they did after the end

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 4>of Title forty two, right when we returned to processing

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 4>people under Title eight. And they will place him in

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.839
<v Speaker 4>actibility to remove all proceedings like that, that is what

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 4>they have been doing for a while. When he talks

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:35.800
<v Speaker 4>about the sanctuary policies, New York right now doesn't honor

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:40.359
<v Speaker 4>detainer requests right in theory, sanctuary laws prevent and y see,

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:42.479
<v Speaker 4>from what I understand, from honoring detainer requests, which would

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 4>be an extra forty eight hour detainer. We haven't, like,

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 4>as Robber said, we haven't really seen enough to see

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 4>see what he's talking about there. But like, I don't

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 4>know if he's talking about a change to those sanctuary

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 4>policies or not. But yeah, like that that would be

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 4>disappointing if you did.

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I obviously there's any indication that he's talking about a

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>change to sanctuary policy.

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, when he's talking about we can cull them on

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and seventy serious crimes, right, what does he need?

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And I think This gets back to the fact

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 3>that a press conference in the Oval Office is not

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 3>going to give you a chance to adequately address an

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 3>issue like this, and I see Trump trying to paper

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 3>over it and move past as quickly as possible. Yeah,

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 3>and I understand why you'd show up for this meeting,

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 3>and I think it was probably, on the balance, the

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 3>right thing to do. But like, I am interested to

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 3>see what he does next, because I think Trump is

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 3>going to continue trying to push for accommodations. And it

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 3>is kind of it is wild and unique to see

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 3>that he seems to be willing to move on some stuff.

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 3>But he's willing to move on some stuff because he

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 3>thinks he can get Mom Donnie to soften some of

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 3>his stances.

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean stances on what I mean. I mean, I

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 2>don't on ice.

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what he's trying to do here. He's

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:55.799
<v Speaker 3>trying to build a case for that.

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess I don't know the degree to

0:43:58.400 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>which we're using.

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Saying that this is a rogue government agency to saying

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 3>that this is a government agent. That's what Trump is

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 3>trying to push for. Yeah, I'm not saying Mom Donnie

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.759
<v Speaker 3>agreed with that. I think that the nature of this

0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 3>meeting did not give him enough time to push back

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 3>on that.

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure you have Mum Donnie pointing there towards like

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 2>an instance of like, you know, a mother and like

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 2>a child getting affected by this and like and using

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>it as an example of like what they are trying

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>to prevent and like focusing on like the stopping ice

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>rates from happening, as as like the thing that Mam

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Donnie is pushing for there and Mam Donnie as New

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.959
<v Speaker 2>York City mayor cannot abolish the entity of ice, and

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 2>so like the degree in which we're framed that as

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 2>like Mom Donnie's like softening, I think still, I mean yeah, like,

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>as you've said, there's not enough here to make a

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 2>full determination.

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.439
<v Speaker 3>I just think that's that's what Trump wants to get

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 3>out of this.

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 4>I think trumple just wants to be associated with this

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 4>guy who is currently, as Garrison said, very popular.

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 3>And it is really wild to see him be so

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 3>deferential to somebody.

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean including in this this this

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 2>question about Trump being a fascist, which he handled in

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a very uh, very fascinating way.

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 3>This is nuts.

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist.

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 7>I've spoken about.

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 8>Okay, okay, it's easier.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:32.359
<v Speaker 2>It's easier than explaining it, or did say yes during

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 2>that exchange he did? He did not, He in fact did.

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he absolutely did. It's one of the most remarkable

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.879
<v Speaker 3>moments in American political history. Yeah, if I had any

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 3>stretch of the imagination.

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 2>As Trump pats on the side, and I mean, it's

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it's it's wild for Trump. This word doesn't mean anything

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.359
<v Speaker 2>right for for Trump, like him saying it's easier than

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>explaining that's just indicating to zort On that you don't

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 2>have to do this like little like political game for

0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>this reporter and be like, you know, we have we

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 2>have just we've disagreed on policies, which blah blah blah.

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Like Trump's like, no, you don't have to do that.

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 2>It's easier and explaining just say it yeah yeah, which

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>is a sort of like a point like against like

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the media. That's from Trump's point of view, it's like

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to do you don't have to do

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 2>like the little dance for like this like New York

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Post reporter or whatever. Just say that I'm a fascist.

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>It's fine.

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And because politics is for him a sort of

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 4>behind closed doors boys club. And they, yes, they both

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 4>have to go out and then deal with the media.

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:30.320
<v Speaker 4>But like you can sort of see that in this

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 4>sort of highly viviality that Trump goes for there. I'm

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 4>not saying that ma'm Damie is less necessarily in his

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 4>boys club. I'm just saying that that that is how

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 4>Trump perceives politics.

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he made other references like when when

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump was asked if he considers or on a g hottist,

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 2>like someone else in the Republican Party called him, and

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Trump's like, no, I mean, the man's sitting in front

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 2>of me is not a the hottest. People have to

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 2>say certain things during campaigns, but the man I met

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>was today. It's a very rational man. And like little

0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>lines like that, like people, Yeah, when you're paining, you

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>have to say things that I think that he's getting

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.320
<v Speaker 2>at a similar point there. But there was multipoints for

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.879
<v Speaker 2>this press conference where Trump defended Mamdani against like other

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:13.239
<v Speaker 2>aggressive questions about his focus on international law versus the Constitution,

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 2>or why Zoron flew to DC instead of taking a

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 2>greener train. Yeah, silly, silly stuff. And Trump was like

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Trump like dismissed these questions if like for Zar, essentially,

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean like, I'll stand up for you.

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's something else.

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 4>There are more salient criticisms, and there were reasonable criticisms

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 4>you can make of some stuff he's done. Those are

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 4>the event.

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just gotcha media stuff, right, like which which

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting how well Trump is able to call sort

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 3>of their bullshit. Yeah, always fascinating.

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:50.280
<v Speaker 2>One of the more hilarious attempts at a gotcha question

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 2>is from Jack Pasovic, who was in the room, who asked.

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 4>This, God, he must have been having an absolute melt down.

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he can't be happy about this, okay.

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 8>I wanted to know.

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 10>One of the policies as well that Mayor, like Madomie

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 10>talked to a number of times about on the campaign,

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 10>was shifting the tax burden for property taxes from what

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 10>he called minority communities to white based communities.

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.320
<v Speaker 8>And putting more taxes on white people.

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 10>I also noticed that in your acceptance speech you didn't

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 10>mention didn't mention anything.

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 9>About America or Christians or white.

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.719
<v Speaker 10>People in general, and so I didn't know if that

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 10>was one of the policies that you guys had spoken

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 10>about incredible.

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Trump's like smiling, like like a proud of

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 2>father this whole time. Ass like weird question. It's such

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.879
<v Speaker 2>an odds like schizophrenic moment. It's it's weird.

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 3>How much more he seems to like Zoran than like

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 3>his supporters.

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean a lot of his supporters are

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 2>losers and Zoron's a winner.

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 4>From his cabinet members, Yeah.

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Because they're losers like Pete Haig, saith Elon Musk, they're losing.

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're all dweebs.

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 4>I think JD. Van's right.

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Zorn's has proved himself to be like an incredibly

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>capable figure. There's a little moment as Jack's first asking

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the question where Trump indicates to Zora, like, Okay, you

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.279
<v Speaker 2>you handle this guy. You can have fun with this. Yeah,

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's it's very odd and not odd and

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 2>it's unexplainable. I understand what's happening here. Actually I think

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 2>this is actually very easy to understand. But it's just

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 2>still it feels odd.

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, and just give him the adversarial politics were

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 4>so used to.

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:32.879
<v Speaker 2>Like there's a lot of moments like this, like when

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>when Trump's asked if he's gonna cut off federal funding

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 2>to New York. He says, quote, I don't think that's

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 2>going to happen. I think we're gonna help. And this

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.399
<v Speaker 2>is like an indication of like what Zora was trying

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 2>to do in terms of harm reduction in this meeting,

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 2>specifically around raids on National Guard deployment and on like

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 2>cutting off federal funds to the city. One of the

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 2>methods I think that Zoran used to help get Trump

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 2>on his side is an appeal to like the real

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:03.080
<v Speaker 2>estate brain that Trump has with mom Donnie's like left

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 2>wing yimby style of policies, talking about rent coming down

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 2>by building housing and how much that surprised Trump because

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Trump has this conception of people, like of people usually

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:16.280
<v Speaker 2>on these like left wing positions are very very nimby

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways, and Trump was like surprised

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 2>by this. I guess he hasn't really encountered like a

0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 2>left wing yimby before. And it's like it's like this

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like caught him off guard. Yeah, there's a good point

0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>here where Trump expresses this.

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 8>Now we may disagree how we get there.

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.959
<v Speaker 9>The rent coming down, I think one of the things

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 9>that really gleaned very very much. Today, he'd like to

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.319
<v Speaker 9>see him come down, ideally by building a lot of

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 9>additional housing here.

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 8>That's the ultimate way. He agrees with that, and so

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 8>do I. But if I read the newspapers, in the stories,

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 8>I don't hear I don't hear that.

0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.839
<v Speaker 9>But I heard him say it today, and I think

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 9>that's a very positive step. No, I don't expect. I

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 9>expect to be helping him, not hurting him. A big

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 9>help because I want New York City to be great. Look,

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.879
<v Speaker 9>I love New York City. It's where I come from.

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 9>I spent a lot of years there. Now I'm right.

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 4>Here, am ray Okay.

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 2>And later Trump clarified that he would feel comfortable living

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 2>in New York under Mam Donnie and compared Mam Donnie's

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 2>popularity to that of Bernie Sanders, as well as how

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>supporters of Bernie moved over to Trump and then vice versa.

0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And through Trump talking about this, you can start to

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:29.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of peak behind the current of like how Zorn

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 2>was framing his version of populism, which was able to

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>get Trump to be like friendly towards like the economic

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>affordability sides of his policy proposals in talking about like

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the crossover of support between Bernie and Trump and twenty

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:48.680
<v Speaker 2>sixteen and the crossover support between Trump twenty four and

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 2>ma'm donnie in twenty twenty five. At one point, Mam

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Donnie did also address the genocide in Gaza.

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 11>Ask mister mamm donnie, you've accused the US government of

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:00.480
<v Speaker 11>committing genocide and Gaza. Why President Trump was working on peace?

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 7>Why that I've spoken about the Israeli government committing genocide,

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 7>and I've spoken about our government funding it. And I

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.560
<v Speaker 7>shared with the President in our meeting about the concern

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:12.840
<v Speaker 7>that many New Yorkers have of wanting their tax dollars

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 7>to go towards the benefit of New Yorkers and their

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 7>ability to afford basic dignity. And what we see right

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 7>now is we're in the ninth consecutive year of more

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.800
<v Speaker 7>than one hundred thousand school children being homeless in our city,

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 7>and there's a desperate need not only for the following

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 7>of human rights, but also the following through on the

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 7>promises we've made New Yorkers. And I appreciated the meeting

0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 7>we had and the work that we can do.

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 11>I agree that President Trump didn't do a piece and

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 11>work hard to make the peace, because we were hard

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.480
<v Speaker 11>to do with the peace in the Midate East and everywhere.

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 11>What do you agree with that?

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 7>I appreciate all efforts towards peace, and I shared with

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 7>President Trump that when I spoke to Trump voters on

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.840
<v Speaker 7>Hillside Avenue, including one of whom was a pharmacist, that

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 7>spoke about how President Trump's father actually went to that

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.120
<v Speaker 7>pharmacy not too far from Jamaica, states that people were

0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 7>tired of seeing our tax dollars fund endless wars. And

0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 7>I also believe that we have to follow through on

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.760
<v Speaker 7>the international human rights and I know that still today

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 7>those are being violated and that continues to be work

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:07.719
<v Speaker 7>that has to be done no matter where we're speaking of.

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Man, that's I I that's so complicated, so conflicting.

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 4>That's a lot going on.

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 3>On one hand, it's really good that somebody on record

0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 3>said in the White House that the US is enabling

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Israel and continuing the genocide. I'm glad that that happened. Yeah,

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 3>On the other hand, the fact that it's off roaded

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.200
<v Speaker 3>so quickly to now let's talk about like what we

0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 3>want to do for New Yorkers and it is like, yeah,

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 3>it's not I don't know, it's it's the only way

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:40.440
<v Speaker 3>this was going to happen at all. I suppose it's

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 3>the mar It's very no, I agree, I agree, but

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:49.680
<v Speaker 3>it's tonally awkward, like it's yeah, it's it's totally a

0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 3>little lot, especially when the topic is genocide, right, like

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 3>the vault from genocide to housing affordability and understand that

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 3>both the serious issues, it's still a tonal shift that

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 3>is jarring. And like, yes, it's absolutely fair to say

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:04.760
<v Speaker 3>he's the mayor of New York. He has no ability

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 3>to influence US policy in terms of selling arms to Israel,

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 3>and the fact that he brought it up at all

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.400
<v Speaker 3>is positive. But boy, is that is that a wild

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 3>minit or so of talking.

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I think the reason why he brought it up is

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to talk about specifically, like funds that we are sending

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 2>to Israel should not be sent to Israel now, those

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 2>funds that should be being used in the United States

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to do things to help people here. And that is

0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>why he brought that up as a seg well.

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:39.320
<v Speaker 3>And reiterating that Trump supporters often agree with the idea

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:41.640
<v Speaker 3>that we should not be spending this much money on this,

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.879
<v Speaker 3>sending weapons over the world to fund wars overseas. It'll

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 3>be interesting to see if shit continues with Venezuela, how

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 3>that all moves. But I think it's valuable to like

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 3>really slam that home in the White House that like, hey,

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.279
<v Speaker 3>you ran on getting the US out of these kind

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 3>of violent entanglements overseas. Yeah, I'm glad someone said it.

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 3>I guess, Yeah, it's just weird. This is all a

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:08.600
<v Speaker 3>very weird meeting.

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, the whole thing was jarring. I guess.

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 2>There was another point there where he was talking about

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 2>like like local local New York businesses and a Trump's

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>father like went to this pharmacy, And I think stuff

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:22.120
<v Speaker 2>like that is tactics that he used to get Trump

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 2>to be friendly with him as well. As Trump later

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 2>spoke about how in one of the rooms that they

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.520
<v Speaker 2>were meeting, and there was a portrait of FDR which

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump had personally like picked out of the storage faults

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:36.080
<v Speaker 2>to hang, and like Orn asked him about the portrait

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 2>and asked if he could get a picture with it,

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 2>and this seemed to please Trump a lot. Tr Trump

0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:42.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn'thing able to talk about how he picked up the picture,

0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and then Trump said a few really interesting things. He's like,

0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's a big fan of FDR and the

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 2>New Deal, which is phenomenal maneuvering from Zora classic technique

0:55:55.840 --> 0:56:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to get like democratic socialist politics across to someone. Again,

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>there's moments like that stuff with stuff of how we

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 2>talked about like Bernie some some you know, the you know,

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 2>regular populist rhetoric, talking about the crossover between you know,

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.200
<v Speaker 2>voters from between Trump and mamdannie, just his general love

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>of New York and FDR New Deal. You can see

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 2>all these things that were used to like navigate through

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:20.719
<v Speaker 2>this meeting to get to get Trump to actually seed

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 2>ground on a lot of stuff with I think very

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 2>very minimal concessions, if any if any real concessions even

0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.760
<v Speaker 2>from Zor like at all. Like I think in general,

0:56:29.080 --> 0:56:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Trump was the one that moved rhetorically throughout this meeting

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and moved on like actual like actual like promises to

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 2>withhold funds to invade the city with National Guard troops.

0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I think Trump was the one who actually seeded territory

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 2>in this meeting. I do not see much evidence of

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.520
<v Speaker 2>things that m Donnie had could have personal impact on

0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 2>actually like losing losing ground on those things throughout this meeting.

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 4>It is also important to remember that he has a

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.279
<v Speaker 4>rhetoric man, Damie two has a rhetorical role to play, right,

0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:57.719
<v Speaker 4>And yes he is Mayor of New York. He is

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.959
<v Speaker 4>also an extremely popular politician at the and like when

0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 4>he talks about things like the genocide in Gaza, that

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.840
<v Speaker 4>that has rhetorical value. I'm not saying he can go

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 4>to New York City Council and stop it, but like

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.839
<v Speaker 4>him saying that it is a genocide at the White

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 4>House is important, and like it is important that like

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.720
<v Speaker 4>when he has this this podium in front of the

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 4>whole world at the White House, so he used it

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 4>to talk about the genocide, and he did, But like,

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't think we should only think about this in

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 4>terms of New York. Like it is sure important that

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 4>someone said that, and I hope he keeps using that

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 4>platform he has right now to say that as someone

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 4>who like is definitely looked up to nationally in like

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 4>DSA circles.

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think and this this goes into some

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of the the I guess kind of I mean, some

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of them are critiques, some of them aren't even really

0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 2>critiques of this meeting. I think a lot of them

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 2>are people jumping on the opportunity to just attacks or

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 2>on with no real construction critique there. But there's this

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of relates to these two different forms of politics

0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:58.240
<v Speaker 2>that people use on the left, like politics is a

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:00.880
<v Speaker 2>form of personal expression as a for of like posturing

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 2>as a as a form of like maintaining of moral purity,

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 2>versus politics as an actual practical method of achieving cyst

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>like systematic change, And people engage in these two different modes,

0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and there're thing there's a role for both of these

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 2>modes of politics. Actually, I think both of these have

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>have a degree of necessity. And Zoron has has taken

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.680
<v Speaker 2>one specific path, and there's the others who are who

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 2>are very clear in having taken the other path. And

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 2>there's there's a bunch of a bunch of a bunch

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.880
<v Speaker 2>of critiques from this meeting quote unquote critiques, including from

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 2>a formal Seattle City councilman who's now running for Congress

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 2>as a socialist, Kashama Sawant quote. If I were in

0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Mamdani's position, instead of asking Trump to meet me, I

0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:46.400
<v Speaker 2>would have announced a mass rally of tens of thousands

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.919
<v Speaker 2>of people in New York City to protest against ice rates,

0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 2>to declare that New York City will not tolerate ice

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<v Speaker 2>and will fight Trump every inch of the way. I

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<v Speaker 2>would launch a mass campaign for free transit and free

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<v Speaker 2>childcare and build a militant movement to win unquote. These

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<v Speaker 2>these are things Zoran's are already participated in. These are

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<v Speaker 2>things that have happened. Just one more, like one more

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<v Speaker 2>protest that's going to be more effective than actually having

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<v Speaker 2>Trump seed some ground on the scale of enforcement. This

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<v Speaker 2>is part of why I have this like hesitation around

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<v Speaker 2>discussion of Zoran, because I think he's actually doing kind

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<v Speaker 2>of strategic moves to actually limit the amount of damage

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump's able to do in the city. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing it through like rhetorical maneuvers, and some of that

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<v Speaker 2>may feel awkward to watch in a like a live

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<v Speaker 2>press conference, but I think the actual end results of

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<v Speaker 2>that have a lot more potential than say of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a rally of ten thousand people which effectively does nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we've had a bunch of those that that

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<v Speaker 4>is politics is performance right lately like that, Yeah, people

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<v Speaker 4>are very attached to that mode of political engagement in

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<v Speaker 4>the United States, like that they're large, you know, walking

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<v Speaker 4>around with sciences shouting demonstration and political intent. It has

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<v Speaker 4>not been success in stopping ice gribing random people of

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<v Speaker 4>the street, I'll just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>And people have been criticizing Zoran just simply for even

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<v Speaker 2>taking this meeting because it's somehow quote unquote like humanizes

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<v Speaker 2>Trump in some way, like Trump doesn't need to be humanized, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's like Zoron's platform by Donald Trump. He is

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<v Speaker 2>the president of the United States. He he he wins,

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<v Speaker 2>he has that position, he has bought the legitimacy like

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<v Speaker 2>this this I don't think Zoron being there actually rehabilitates

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's image in a meaningful way. I think what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing is trying to actually make New York a safer

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<v Speaker 2>and more affordable place to live by doing a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of complicated political maneuver, which I'm sure is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>upsetting to kind of go through, but he's doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the wave of criticism that it's kind of based

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<v Speaker 2>on based on that sort of you know, humanizing argument

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<v Speaker 2>or this stuff on, like why doesn't Zorn just protest

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<v Speaker 2>instead of actually trying to like cut deals or like

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<v Speaker 2>not even cut deals because that sounds so like slimy,

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<v Speaker 2>but like actually like negotiate with the president, and like

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<v Speaker 2>this criticism comes on the tail end like a week's

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<v Speaker 2>worth of very reflexive criticism of Zoran for his retention

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<v Speaker 2>of New York Police Department Commissioner Jessica Tish, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as advocating against the New York City DSA's endorsement of

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<v Speaker 2>city councilmen and new DSA member she offses primary campaign

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<v Speaker 2>against Congressman Hukim Jeffries. Some of these criticisms I get

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<v Speaker 2>the Jefferson a little bit more, but some of these

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<v Speaker 2>criticisms I find to be a little odd, mostly considering

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Zoran has been open about his plan

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<v Speaker 2>to retain Tish for literal months, for literal months, and

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<v Speaker 2>just this week people acted like it was this massive

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<v Speaker 2>betrayal in his like ideological purity or his stated promises,

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<v Speaker 2>which just isn't true. He's been open about this like

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<v Speaker 2>since like last summer, and on the on the Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>side of things, I think Zorn's point of view here

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<v Speaker 2>is at a difficult primary campaign and one that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to be unsuccessful based on the Zoron twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five general vote map. It shows that that'd be very,

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<v Speaker 2>very challenging. But this, this difficul call primary against referees,

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<v Speaker 2>would also inhibit Zoron's ability to implement the affordability agenda

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<v Speaker 2>in the city. The New York Times quoted a leaked

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<v Speaker 2>portion of the DSA's endorsement meeting with Zoran saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>the choice before us is not whether to vote for

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<v Speaker 2>Chai or Hageme at the ballot box. The choice is

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<v Speaker 2>how to spend the next year. Do we want to

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<v Speaker 2>spend it defending caricatures of our movement or do we

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<v Speaker 2>want to spend it fulfilling the agenda at the heart

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<v Speaker 2>of that very same movement. Unquote, Zora has a very

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<v Speaker 2>specific focus right now on the New York City government,

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<v Speaker 2>and implementing the agenda for New York City and the

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<v Speaker 2>congressional campaign would, in his view, only put more roadblocks

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<v Speaker 2>to that at this point in time. Versus keeping a

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<v Speaker 2>left wing ally in the New York City Council.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess I don't see why they can't do both.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they will be defending caricatures of their movement for

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<v Speaker 4>sure the next forever right until the Internet and stupid politics,

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<v Speaker 4>the stopping part of a politics which isn't coming anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it'd be perfectly possible to give that endorsement

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<v Speaker 4>and still say my job as mayor is to do

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<v Speaker 4>the ship that I promised to do. I also endorse

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<v Speaker 4>this person because I think they're a better person than

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<v Speaker 4>the Keem Jeffries, who has been very poor. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't I don't see those two things as mutually exclusive.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to talk about MTG, if only very briefly.

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<v Speaker 3>What is there to say.

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<v Speaker 4>That magic the Gathering has finally reclaimed the acronym. Oh good, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Marjorie Taylor Green leaving politics?

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe, well she's leaving the house. Is at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>Is leaving the house?

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<v Speaker 2>See what she's announced?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It is unclear how she will continue her career.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe Zoran will be taking her seat. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's new friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I really don't think he's much interest in

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<v Speaker 2>being in the House of Representatives, especially in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh would jesus?

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<v Speaker 4>He has a much more important role now. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>like he's able to do a lot more as executive

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<v Speaker 4>new York than he ever would be as like a

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<v Speaker 4>single rep in yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah no more MTG.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well great.

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