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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, Am bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, February tenth, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety seven. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. I'm live from that s WBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the start, and we are presented by Geico got
Speaker 1: Nick here with me in studio. We got David amber
Speaker 1: on remotely. We're gonna talk offense today. We've been talking
Speaker 1: offense to the last couple of shows, but we're going
Speaker 1: to finish up that offensive review today, talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about the offensive line and the tight end position.
Speaker 1: You'll also get to some fan questions. My hope is
Speaker 1: that we will be able to spend at least at
Speaker 1: least an entire segment of the show on fan questions,
Speaker 1: because I know you guys always give me a hard
Speaker 1: time because I usually don't get to questions. But hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to do that here and get
Speaker 1: a lot of your questions out there and answer some
Speaker 1: of those questions before we get started today. I quickly
Speaker 1: just wanted to say something. I'm sure those of you
Speaker 1: who are out there listening have seen all the stuff
Speaker 1: about the hype video, and there's been a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff out there, and I just wanted to say to
Speaker 1: you guys that are listening, and this is specifically for
Speaker 1: you guys, because the way I look at it is,
Speaker 1: if you're sitting on this podcast in February, you're the
Speaker 1: people I'm most concerned about, Like you are our core customer,
Speaker 1: and you expect greatness from us. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say to you, guys, we've felled you in this instance.
Speaker 1: We will be better. We apologize, but we certainly will
Speaker 1: be better. And I want you guys to know, because
Speaker 1: I care about what you guys think, that we're going
Speaker 1: to be better. We're going to fix some things and
Speaker 1: we'll be better than this. And that's where I want
Speaker 1: to leave that. I did want to say, though, Nick,
Speaker 1: after last week's show, we had actually an interesting conversation
Speaker 1: on DAK in last week's show. It probably took a
Speaker 1: lot more of the show than we even expected, because
Speaker 1: you had a question that you wanted to throw out there,
Speaker 1: and I think after the show, at least what you said,
Speaker 1: I saw you put it on Twitter two that you
Speaker 1: think people didn't really quite understand or get the full
Speaker 1: brunt of what you were trying to say in your
Speaker 1: question and what you were saying after that. I wanted
Speaker 1: to give you an opportunity to talk about that, and
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I didn't understood what I was
Speaker 1: trying to say until later, until some of the Twitter
Speaker 1: I would say arguments, but just kind of the back
Speaker 1: and forth. So a lot of times on this show,
Speaker 1: when when we say certain things, if you don't agree
Speaker 1: with everyone, you get put in a different corner of like,
Speaker 1: well this is this is where your take is. There's
Speaker 1: people that think that I hate Dak, or I'm a
Speaker 1: dad hater or whatever. What I said was is is
Speaker 1: you know, I think that that Dak has room to grow,
Speaker 1: and we all think that way. So I'll just tell
Speaker 1: you right now where I stand, if there's any clarity,
Speaker 1: this is where I stand about Dak Prescott. I think
Speaker 1: he is a really good quarterback. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: should resign him. I think for sure that's what they
Speaker 1: need to do. That's their best option for them to win.
Speaker 1: You were at you asked me where a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought was funny. Who's the top five? But who's better?
Speaker 1: That's irrelevant to me. I think he's somewhere between six
Speaker 1: and ten. But it doesn't matter. That's irrelevant. What's irrelevant
Speaker 1: is can the Cowboys? This is my biggest issue more
Speaker 1: than with Dak. Can the Cowboys field a team around
Speaker 1: him with a forty million a year contract? Because when
Speaker 1: he was making two they made one round of the
Speaker 1: playoffs and that was it. Last year thirty one million
Speaker 1: they had where depth was a terrible issue for this team.
Speaker 1: Now he's got to make forty million a year. Can
Speaker 1: the pieces around him be better? Can the Cowboys constructed?
Speaker 1: Is he good enough to elevate this team? I only
Speaker 1: think there's three or four people ever that can do that.
Speaker 1: So I have my concern if Dak Prescott is good
Speaker 1: enough to elevate this franchise at forty million a year,
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen that they can draft consistently on fans,
Speaker 1: that they can actually do anything in free agency to
Speaker 1: help him. So that is my good concern. Is he
Speaker 1: good enough to take this team up and be even
Speaker 1: more elite? And that's my concern where I want him
Speaker 1: on my team. Yes, I think he's a really good quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think he's a fantastic leader, and he's perfect for
Speaker 1: the face of the franchise. But for this particular franchise,
Speaker 1: I do have my doubts that they can build a
Speaker 1: team around him. I will say this real quick. The
Speaker 1: only thing I have to say about that is I
Speaker 1: do think that in spite of all that you just said,
Speaker 1: he is their only hope. Like right now, when I
Speaker 1: look at this team and you know, this game comes back.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with someone about this whole hype
Speaker 1: video thing, and you know, again, I get it. I
Speaker 1: understand how people are looking at this like how could
Speaker 1: this happen? Because quite frankly, I look at it and
Speaker 1: I'm saying the same thing. I'm looking at like how
Speaker 1: did we get here? Because you look at it, and
Speaker 1: to me, there are three things. If you're a Cowboys
Speaker 1: fan and you went through twenty twenty, there are three
Speaker 1: things that could get you potentially excited about twenty twenty. One.
Speaker 1: Number one, Lyle Collins number two, Tyren Smith number three,
Speaker 1: and I probably should have done him in inverse order
Speaker 1: because he would be number one is Dak Prescott. If
Speaker 1: you get those three pieces back, that is where Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans probably look at this and they're like, that's the hope,
Speaker 1: Like that's the hope that twenty twenty one can be better.
Speaker 1: So whatever the thoughts are about what you gotta pay
Speaker 1: him and all that, look, they got to figure that out.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the Cowboys exactly. They gotta figure
Speaker 1: out how much they can pay him to make it
Speaker 1: all work. At the end of the day, I look
Speaker 1: at it and say, he is necessary if they want
Speaker 1: to win, and win now, dave you everything you want.
Speaker 1: Throwing on that a few things, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't want to let us off
Speaker 1: the hook for that mistake completely. I mean, he should
Speaker 1: have been in the video. I think we would all
Speaker 1: agree with that. But I just think it speaks to
Speaker 1: the contentious nature of this whole thing that it blew
Speaker 1: up the way that it did. You know, I told
Speaker 1: Nick yesterday, just me and him having a conversation. It
Speaker 1: finds me of political discourse in the sense that like
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to have a middle of the road
Speaker 1: or nuanced take, Like if Dak's not in the video,
Speaker 1: it means we hate Dak and they're trying to move
Speaker 1: on from Dak and YadA YadA, or if Dak is
Speaker 1: the face of the video, that means something too, like
Speaker 1: you can only you can only be a Dak homer
Speaker 1: or a Dak hater. There's no room for anything in between.
Speaker 1: So I would just love for him to get signed
Speaker 1: so we can kind of put that phase of this
Speaker 1: behind us, because it's I think everybody's tired of it
Speaker 1: one way or the other, but it just is what
Speaker 1: it is. And then I kind of laughed because I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily disagree with what Nick just said, but I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of at a point where I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: they couldn't put together a great team when they weren't
Speaker 1: paying Dak anything, so like, I mean, they already tried that,
Speaker 1: They already tried building a team with a cheap quarterback
Speaker 1: and they couldn't do it. So at least in investing
Speaker 1: with Dak, I know what I'm getting, which is a
Speaker 1: really good quarterback. So I'm a lot like I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's okay, because they couldn't do anything with the savings
Speaker 1: the last four years, so why not pay them a
Speaker 1: lot of money. It's fine by me, all right, Amber.
Speaker 1: I know from your reaction on Twitter when Nick put
Speaker 1: that up there that you don't really have any much
Speaker 1: to say about this anymore. You're tired of this conversation,
Speaker 1: and I think you probably you're probably like most people
Speaker 1: out there, like just get a deal done so we
Speaker 1: can move on to other topics, because there are other
Speaker 1: topics around this team that we probably need to address.
Speaker 1: So let's jump right in. We're gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the offensive line and the tight end position
Speaker 1: today in our offense review. We're gonna start first with
Speaker 1: the offensive line, and I mentioned Tyren Smith and Lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: My question for you guys to start this conversation is,
Speaker 1: assuming Tyrn and Lyle return at full strength, do you
Speaker 1: expect Dallas's offense to be among the best in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Do they make that much of a difference. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you, Amber. Yeah, yes, but that's just so
Speaker 1: difficult to say, because yes, talent wise, we've seen it
Speaker 1: with these guys, they have been among the best in
Speaker 1: the NFL if not the best in my books in
Speaker 1: my book, but again it comes down to how long
Speaker 1: can they stay on the field, how long can you
Speaker 1: use them for and rely on them. The whole injury
Speaker 1: thing is so unpredictable. But the one thing we've noticed
Speaker 1: is that is a there's a pattern here. It has
Speaker 1: been happening every single year there's an online guy that
Speaker 1: gets injured. Mainly, you know, we say it with Lyle,
Speaker 1: we say it definitely with urn Smith and in Sack Martin,
Speaker 1: which is one of the best in the league. Even him,
Speaker 1: he has had trouble in the past couple of years
Speaker 1: of staying on the field. So does it really help
Speaker 1: you to have the best guys on your team if
Speaker 1: you can't really have them on the field? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. But yes, if they are healthy and they
Speaker 1: are back to their football shape and they're out there,
Speaker 1: absolutely I do think that they would be among the
Speaker 1: best in the NFL. Dave, I'm about to do my
Speaker 1: best Mickey Spagnola impression and say, why don't you go
Speaker 1: turn on the tape of the Super Bowl and tell
Speaker 1: me of having your starting tackles makes a difference. And
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I guess I'm a Bucks hater now again,
Speaker 1: like there's no room for nuance, Like everybody thinks I
Speaker 1: hate the Bucks. The Bucks deserve all the credit in
Speaker 1: the world for getting the job done. But go back
Speaker 1: to last year and equally fearsome pass rush could not
Speaker 1: make the difference against Pat Mahomes when he had time
Speaker 1: to throw the ball. So miss me with that defense
Speaker 1: wins championships. Crap, give Pat Mahomes as tackles in that game.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Chiefs don't win, but it's definitely not a beatdown.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, Lyle Collins and Tyron Smith can make
Speaker 1: that much of a difference. The problem is you just
Speaker 1: can't completely trust that at this point, specifically with Tyron
Speaker 1: more so than Lyell. This is his fifth year of
Speaker 1: having to deal with this. So I hope to hell
Speaker 1: that this surgery really kind of course correct, and I
Speaker 1: won't be surprised at all if Tyrn can play another
Speaker 1: four to six years of healthy football, if this surgery
Speaker 1: did what it's supposed to. But I can't sit here
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and be like, yes, he's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna play sixteen games, um, but if he can, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll make a world of difference. And if Dak, Lyle
Speaker 1: and Tyrn are all healthy and playing for this team,
Speaker 1: they will have one of the best offenses in the
Speaker 1: NFL next year. Yes, Nick, Yeah, of course, without a doubt.
Speaker 1: I think they will. I think the continuity of Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: uh and Dak and then in that offensive line. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that when you when you start to see,
Speaker 1: you know, Dak started had he had to figure out
Speaker 1: how to win games without having you know, the Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith all the time or even Lyell and had to
Speaker 1: play some of the games last year. It was tough,
Speaker 1: you know, with Terrence Steal, Brandon and I and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So you get those guys back, and I
Speaker 1: think that you know, Das had to learn and to
Speaker 1: play that way and to be better. Uh yeah. And
Speaker 1: I think it'll help Zeke too. And if Zeke is better,
Speaker 1: you know, if they can get out to some leads,
Speaker 1: that's that's the key, that's the way they want to play.
Speaker 1: If they can play like that, then I think Zeke
Speaker 1: will be better. And I think the Cowboys will be
Speaker 1: better because they're they're playing a different style of football.
Speaker 1: So here's the million dollar question, how likely in your opinions,
Speaker 1: and I know you may not. Obviously, you guys probably
Speaker 1: haven't talked to the doctors or anybody else. But how
Speaker 1: likely do you think it is that you're going to
Speaker 1: get both those guys back at full strength this year?
Speaker 1: Nicholas Stark, I do think it's likely. I think what
Speaker 1: Amber said, though, it'll be someone else. I mean, it'll
Speaker 1: be something you know, you have to you have to
Speaker 1: be ready for that. You have to have seven or
Speaker 1: eight linemen that you that you feel I can start
Speaker 1: a football game for you, and they should have that
Speaker 1: because of what they went through this last year. So
Speaker 1: I think it's likely though that Tyrant I think he's
Speaker 1: needed this surgery for two or three years. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like I wrote this week, Glass half you know,
Speaker 1: glass half empty or half full, half full says, Wow,
Speaker 1: he'll be back because he had surgery and he's healthy.
Speaker 1: Glass half empty says, well, he had surgery, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's got to come back from that, so I
Speaker 1: think he will. Okay, Dave, I mean I would I
Speaker 1: would never bet against Tyrant Smith. He's one of the
Speaker 1: toughest guys I've ever been around. I have a pretty
Speaker 1: good relationship with him and have just I know him
Speaker 1: well enough to know would not bet against that dude, especially,
Speaker 1: like I said, if this is a surgery that kind
Speaker 1: of corrects these lingering issues that he's had. At the
Speaker 1: same time, it's your job as a football team to
Speaker 1: protect yourself from these things. So I'm I'm optimistic and
Speaker 1: confident that both of them will be back, but you
Speaker 1: just can't completely trust to that. Does that mean they
Speaker 1: need to draft to tackle in the top ten? Not necessarily,
Speaker 1: but they need to invest significant capital in backing that up,
Speaker 1: probably a draft pick, because a free agent would be
Speaker 1: very expensive. So whether it's the first round, second round,
Speaker 1: third round, maybe the fourth round, but they need a
Speaker 1: talented guy who can come in here and be their
Speaker 1: number three and be better than Brandon Knight and Terrence Deal,
Speaker 1: you know, or at least that's what I think they
Speaker 1: should do to properly mitigate that risk. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I hope they can. But the thing is every year,
Speaker 1: I feel like every year we go into the off
Speaker 1: season and then get to start in training camp thinking
Speaker 1: and expecting that, oh, this is the year we're gonna
Speaker 1: have the old lineman back and put together, and it
Speaker 1: just doesn't really happen. And I know that the turgeries
Speaker 1: are different and all that, but if it's not one thing,
Speaker 1: if it's not the neck, it's the back or the
Speaker 1: leg or the knee, it's always something. And as great
Speaker 1: as Tyren Smith is and Lill Collins is another big guy,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin as well, at some point your body kind
Speaker 1: of starts giving up. And again, I am not in
Speaker 1: their body. I am not in their position. I am
Speaker 1: not a medical doctor or anything, but that's just how
Speaker 1: I see it. It's been years back to back, and
Speaker 1: I do have confidence that they can be out there
Speaker 1: on the field, but my biggest concern is for how long?
Speaker 1: And how long is that going to help you for?
Speaker 1: So I think that the Cowboys need to go in
Speaker 1: with a really really good backup plan, a lot better
Speaker 1: than what they did last year. That's an interesting part
Speaker 1: and that's actually why I was gonna go next. Nick,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you the question because I think Amber and
Speaker 1: David kind of hit it. Do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to have a much stronger backup plan than what
Speaker 1: they had this year? And Terrence Still and Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: and Cam Irving Because the one thing I will say,
Speaker 1: is as the season we're on, I think you started
Speaker 1: to see maybe a little bit of improvement from Terrence. Still,
Speaker 1: I don't know that it was to the level that
Speaker 1: you wanted to be, But did you see enough there
Speaker 1: where it made you think maybe he's developing enough where
Speaker 1: he could be your backup option. Cam Irving is a veteran.
Speaker 1: Is he a good or now he was hurt for
Speaker 1: a lot of that time too. Is he a guy
Speaker 1: that could be a backup option? Or do you think
Speaker 1: you really got to go as Day said and think
Speaker 1: about first, second, third round to give yourself a backup plan. Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think that in their mind they had
Speaker 1: a really nice backup plan last year because they got
Speaker 1: a first round pick who hadn't played like a first
Speaker 1: round pick. But he's going to be a good swing
Speaker 1: tackle in cam Irving, and it took a while for
Speaker 1: him to finally get it going there. They thought Brandon
Speaker 1: Knight could also be a good fourth tackle and he
Speaker 1: he was. I mean, and Terrence Steele was just a
Speaker 1: guy that that kept developing. I guess, and um, well,
Speaker 1: I mean he did. I just didn't even in fact,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even in their plans. He wasn't in their
Speaker 1: plans and so he just jumped in in the mix
Speaker 1: and he was better than some of the other guys,
Speaker 1: which didn't say much. Um, I agree with Dave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm drafting a guy. He's the only he is the
Speaker 1: This offensive lineman is the only offensive player I'm taking
Speaker 1: before the fourth round. I mean, it would be the
Speaker 1: only thing I would consider. And I want to take
Speaker 1: two of them in one player. I want to get
Speaker 1: a guard and tackle. Give me his bio that said
Speaker 1: he played guard his first two years, he got moved
Speaker 1: to tackle his senior year, something like that, because as
Speaker 1: I need him in this because I want him to play.
Speaker 1: If he's good enough to play right now and all
Speaker 1: my other guys are good, well, then play mc guard.
Speaker 1: If he's not good enough and he needs to be
Speaker 1: a swing tackle, that's fine. So let me give me
Speaker 1: the guy that's had four years of experience and he's
Speaker 1: a guard. And I don't think that's a first round guy.
Speaker 1: I think it's more second and third, but I want
Speaker 1: some of that experience across the board. Got it all right,
Speaker 1: Let's let's watch to another topic on the offensive work.
Speaker 1: I know what yah go to go to you know
Speaker 1: they've mentioned the Super Bowl, and as I was watching
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl game, which I hated, but I was
Speaker 1: watching the game and thinking this would be us. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what would happen to the Cowboys with the old line,
Speaker 1: especially because that's the thing is again, how long can
Speaker 1: they last during the season? Can they make it all
Speaker 1: the way to a post season to playoff games? If
Speaker 1: we ever get there. So it's like, okay, with the
Speaker 1: old nine, what was happening with my homes and that
Speaker 1: that is just I just saw the Cowboys happening to that.
Speaker 1: And then the refs that's another whole story. But and
Speaker 1: again another thing that would happen to the Cowboys is
Speaker 1: how the revs, you know, referee that game. But that's
Speaker 1: just another thing that you do have to look at.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, if we do make it that far,
Speaker 1: can you count on these guys to be there, Because
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with backup guys, how much is that
Speaker 1: really gonna help you? How far is that gonna get
Speaker 1: you passed that first playoff game or any further than that.
Speaker 1: So that's just that's a huge concern that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: they really really need to tackle this year. Dude. I
Speaker 1: I was talking to our friend Brian brought us during
Speaker 1: the game, and I was like, can you imagine can
Speaker 1: you imagine if you got healthy seasons out of Lyell
Speaker 1: and Tyring and made it that far and then they
Speaker 1: couldn't play in the Super Bowl, Like neither one of
Speaker 1: them could play in this. I think I would throw
Speaker 1: myself from the press box. I wouldn't even I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even want to watch. I wouldn't watch that game. It
Speaker 1: would have you ever seen a quarterback that didn't that
Speaker 1: lost a big game like that? Obviously Super Bowl didn't
Speaker 1: score a touchdown and he was awesome. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: he had some you know, they didn't they didn't win,
Speaker 1: and hey, I'm the first guy to say, you know
Speaker 1: you can. Team doesn't win. You got to judge him
Speaker 1: for that. I get that. And they didn't play the
Speaker 1: great but like just the arm strength that he's got
Speaker 1: on some of these plays, the awareness it was he
Speaker 1: was running for his life. But yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: he He's gonna be I mean I think he I
Speaker 1: think this was like Michael Jordan playing Lebron James when
Speaker 1: Lebron James like third year, you know, like if they
Speaker 1: ever would have played. I think it was it was
Speaker 1: like that. That's probably the way it would have gone
Speaker 1: down too. You know, just to this, this could be
Speaker 1: two of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play. I know
Speaker 1: it's early on my homes, but it could be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and some of them, I mean, honestly, some of the
Speaker 1: reminds me of uh, good day. I'm sorry, it just
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the O seven Finals when the
Speaker 1: forty year old Spurs full of Hall of famers just
Speaker 1: kicked Lebron's ass when he was like twenty two and
Speaker 1: just he didn't have any help on his team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and I think that was the issue for
Speaker 1: Mahome Sunny. He's eat any help because he made some
Speaker 1: throws that should have been plays. They should have been
Speaker 1: touched it. There were a couple that would drop. There
Speaker 1: were touchdowns that literally hit guys in the hands or
Speaker 1: in the face, and and they just didn't catch them right,
Speaker 1: you know. You know. And another thing we got to
Speaker 1: throw in there for talking Super Bowl, but that you know,
Speaker 1: it's all about Brady and Gronk and all that. But
Speaker 1: Bruce arians you know, I'm happy for him too, and
Speaker 1: I know, you know, he's got a granddaughter on our staff,
Speaker 1: and then that's great. You know Pressley, but um, and
Speaker 1: she's excited for him. But like what he's able to
Speaker 1: do as a trailblazer. Look at his staff and the
Speaker 1: makeup of his staff and who and who he won with.
Speaker 1: I think this hopefully opens the doors for a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of teams, a lot of
Speaker 1: people U that haven't necessarily gotten opportunities and to win
Speaker 1: this way. I mean, it all goes to Brady, and
Speaker 1: I understand that, but I hope it's not lost on
Speaker 1: the staff that Bruce arians put together and how they won. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really wish a year like this is when I
Speaker 1: really wish the NFL didn't allow teams to make their
Speaker 1: head coaching hires until after the Super Bowl, because can
Speaker 1: you imagine the opportunities that you would think. You would
Speaker 1: think that a guy like Todd Bowls probably deserves after
Speaker 1: a game like that, and by the way, he's been
Speaker 1: calling good, good games throughout his career. He's a really
Speaker 1: good defensive guy, and I think this would I think
Speaker 1: this is the kind of moment that certainly could have
Speaker 1: given him a lot of opportunities as a head coach.
Speaker 1: And we'll see how that goes next year and if
Speaker 1: he'll be a part of the mix, because it's not
Speaker 1: a guarantee that next year teams will look at him
Speaker 1: and don't and don't say that, well he's been been
Speaker 1: there and done that. Like, yeah, we got a few
Speaker 1: that have that have done that. We know that there
Speaker 1: are other coaches that get opportunities that even after they
Speaker 1: have second an you know, a second time around, it helps. YEA. Right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit more about the offensive line.
Speaker 1: We're gonna geto that center position because I think that's
Speaker 1: an area that we haven't talked a lot about, but
Speaker 1: I think it sare's an interesting decision the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: to make there. We'll also talk a little bit about
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Speaker 1: at the Star Wars doing our offensive review. We did
Speaker 1: that for the last two shows. We're wrapping it up
Speaker 1: today talking about the offensive line and the tight end position.
Speaker 1: Let's move to the center position. Joe Looney and Tyler
Speaker 1: Battish were the two players that played at that position
Speaker 1: this year. I obviously Tyler was the rookie coming in
Speaker 1: that they spent a fifth round draft pick on. And
Speaker 1: then you had a who's been here for a while,
Speaker 1: been a backup most of that time, but has had
Speaker 1: some time as a starter going into next season. Who
Speaker 1: should be the starting center for the Dallas Cowboys To
Speaker 1: start with, you, Dave, I absolutely love Joe Looney. If
Speaker 1: you follow the team by now, you know all about
Speaker 1: his personality and all of that. He's obviously he has
Speaker 1: more than delivered on what the Cowboys signed him to do.
Speaker 1: You know, they signed him as their like jumbo flex
Speaker 1: extra interior alignment and he's started multiple seasons and done
Speaker 1: so well. All of that said, they drafted Tyler Biadas.
Speaker 1: He was impressive early. He's got higher potential than Joe
Speaker 1: Looney in my opinion. He was one of the best
Speaker 1: offensive linemen in college football. The big question with him
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft was whether he could stay healthy.
Speaker 1: I know he had injury issues last year, but those
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the hip problems that bothered
Speaker 1: him in college. So all of that said, he's younger,
Speaker 1: he's cheaper, he's got higher upside. I'd love to bring
Speaker 1: Joe Looney back, but I absolutely think be honest should
Speaker 1: be your you know, prohibitive starter heading into it. Amber
Speaker 1: I agree with all that. I would think that Tyler
Speaker 1: is ready to just take over. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: him do it last year for a period of time.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love Joe Looney. I would absolutely try to
Speaker 1: maintain to keep him here, give him possibly another one
Speaker 1: year deal. I think he's a guy that gives you
Speaker 1: that position flex, you know, with all these injuries that
Speaker 1: we keep talking about, He's a guy that can play
Speaker 1: a couple of different positions in case you need it.
Speaker 1: And again, you I mean, it's just like, what do
Speaker 1: you call that game? I can't think of the name,
Speaker 1: but basically, you're you know, you know that at one
Speaker 1: point or another, you're gonna need all your guys and
Speaker 1: you're gonna see all these guys on the field. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna see Joe Looney if he stays here at
Speaker 1: one point or another and he has all the experience needed.
Speaker 1: So I absolutely trust him. I do hope that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are able to get a good deal from him
Speaker 1: for another year. Nick, I thank you. I think they
Speaker 1: bring Looney back. But yeah, I think the uh idea
Speaker 1: would be to try to see if you know, be honest,
Speaker 1: could win the job. And you know, we'll see if
Speaker 1: the draft brings anybody else that that that's got that
Speaker 1: you know, position flex or maybe you know, maybe Connor McGovern,
Speaker 1: you know that's been talked about, Connor McGovern, even Connor
Speaker 1: Williams to do some some center uh you know situations.
Speaker 1: So but I think be honest, you know, a year,
Speaker 1: he needs a year in the weight room and really
Speaker 1: gonna you know, get get get stronger, get better. But
Speaker 1: I think, you know, his error was pointed up. I
Speaker 1: was a little surprised though that he didn't get the
Speaker 1: job back, or didn't get the job at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. So I kind of thought he might.
Speaker 1: But did you read anything into that that maybe they
Speaker 1: thought that Looney is still a better player and they
Speaker 1: felt like offensive line, a line needed the better player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was going to the to
Speaker 1: the course of like we really want to play the
Speaker 1: oddish year, and so when Looney gets hurt and he
Speaker 1: comes back, it's gonna still be be odist. And then
Speaker 1: he beyondest got hurt, and I thought when they both
Speaker 1: got healthy again it would be but they didn't. So maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, if that's if that's the way it was,
Speaker 1: then then I do agree with both of them that
Speaker 1: they you know, you resigned Joe and just see see
Speaker 1: what happens. They'd you read something into that. Oh no,
Speaker 1: if I read I mean I guess. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna read something into it, it's that the coaches
Speaker 1: didn't think Tyler was as good as we did. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it in a while, but I
Speaker 1: remember thinking it was weird because like, like they had sucked.
Speaker 1: I know that they were technically in the playoff race,
Speaker 1: but like play your younger players and let them get
Speaker 1: the experience. I did. I did think that was weird,
Speaker 1: But I don't make too too much of it. Like
Speaker 1: if if Joe Looney doesn't resign, I don't think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in a panic about not having a
Speaker 1: starting caliber center, you know what I mean? Yeah, Amber,
Speaker 1: the way I saw it, the way I saw it,
Speaker 1: was that around that time was when the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: finally able to start seeing some consistency on the old line,
Speaker 1: And it was around that point where we talked about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to try to keep your five
Speaker 1: guys and just keep them together, because it does get
Speaker 1: tricky when you have so many moving peace and I
Speaker 1: feel like that was around the time where they were
Speaker 1: starting to kind of click a little bit, just starting
Speaker 1: to play a little bit better than what we had seen.
Speaker 1: So maybe they just wanted to keep the same pieces
Speaker 1: as as soon as they started seeing some improvement. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it was necessarily anything against be Hodest,
Speaker 1: But that's just how I saw it. Yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of agree with you, but I kind of think it
Speaker 1: was a thing that was more about the circumstances than
Speaker 1: it was about either one of the players, because I think,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think there wasn't an
Speaker 1: appreciable difference, in my opinion between the way the two
Speaker 1: guys played. I just think that they were starting to
Speaker 1: as a unit. They looked like they were a bit
Speaker 1: better at the time when Beast was coming back, So
Speaker 1: I think they probably just opted to stick with what
Speaker 1: they were already doing, you know. And another part of
Speaker 1: that too is that you know, without Zach Martin there,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's with with Looney, you need some
Speaker 1: veteran presence. So I think if Martin would have been there,
Speaker 1: especially been there playing right guard next to be honest,
Speaker 1: I think it probably would be a better situation that
Speaker 1: he could keep going and growing. But but you know
Speaker 1: the fact that he wasn't there. You know, you have
Speaker 1: Steel over there. Brandon Knights played you know, twenty, you know,
Speaker 1: twelve games or so. Connor Williams has played like thirty games,
Speaker 1: and he's like the old veteran of the group. So yeah,
Speaker 1: having Looney there I do think was important for you know,
Speaker 1: established veteran. You mentioned Connor Williams. He was the only
Speaker 1: player that was projected to be a starter going into
Speaker 1: last season. They played all sixteen games. How would you
Speaker 1: assess his play from last year? Nick, We'll start with you. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he was the most consistent player on the team.
Speaker 1: I think he played the most stop the team. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: let me finish. Sorry, okay, sorry, he was out well,
Speaker 1: he was out there the most. Okay, his his availability
Speaker 1: was the most. He played the snap more than any
Speaker 1: player on the team. Um, but he was. He was
Speaker 1: you know, he's up and down. I mean, he's he
Speaker 1: want to get a little better there. At times you
Speaker 1: feel like he's not strong enough. Sometimes it feels like
Speaker 1: he's out of position. Um. You know, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting next year. I do think Connor is going to
Speaker 1: start at left guard, but I don't know which one.
Speaker 1: I do think that. I do think there will be
Speaker 1: a Connor. I mean, I just I think McGovern might
Speaker 1: be better. Honestly, Okay, we're gonna have that conversation. Hold
Speaker 1: all right, but what do you think? Sorry? What was
Speaker 1: the question? How would you evaluate Connor Williams play last season?
Speaker 1: Very simple? He was the least of my worries when
Speaker 1: he came down to the l line. I mean, he was,
Speaker 1: like Nick just mentioned, he was the most Uh, he
Speaker 1: got the most consistency out of him because he wasn't injured.
Speaker 1: You know, he did get banged up at one point
Speaker 1: in the season, but it wasn't anything major. So he
Speaker 1: was the only player that you got the most out
Speaker 1: of from the old lineman. So that it's hard to
Speaker 1: criticize someone that was able to give you that when
Speaker 1: you got so many other issues around the whole old line.
Speaker 1: So I think that, yeah, you're looking for improvement there,
Speaker 1: but right now it's just I'm hoping to see some competition.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to see that we are able to get
Speaker 1: a preseason this year and get good use of like
Speaker 1: really utilize those games to put those guys out there
Speaker 1: on both sides. Put them both Connors on both sides,
Speaker 1: and see how they both perform, and just make it
Speaker 1: a good training camp competition. There's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: and just see who's better, and then you make the
Speaker 1: decision from there. Dave, I think the biggest did we
Speaker 1: lose you the biggest? What? Tell you what we'll do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back to Dave. We'll go back, go
Speaker 1: on to the next question a half you guys and
Speaker 1: they will hit Dave. There he is, You're back, You're
Speaker 1: the biggest. What the biggest? I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: We heard you say the biggest. The biggest problem with
Speaker 1: Connor is I know that he's gotten stronger over the
Speaker 1: course of his NFL career, but he still hasn't developed
Speaker 1: into that super strong, anchored offensive guard that you just
Speaker 1: can't move. And so you know he gets pushed into
Speaker 1: the backfield by good defensive tackles from time to time,
Speaker 1: and it stands out. Like you know, you always say,
Speaker 1: if nobody notices you, you're doing your job well. When
Speaker 1: you get bullied into the quarterbacks lap, sometimes people notice it. Um,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he had a bad season, but I
Speaker 1: guess that's probably his deficiency. I think he was fine,
Speaker 1: especially when you consider that he didn't have Tyron next
Speaker 1: to him and didn't have you know, he had a
Speaker 1: rookie playing center for a lot of the season as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know, if Connor McGovern can take that job
Speaker 1: in training camp, that's totally fine with me if you
Speaker 1: really want to, if you really want to dig deep.
Speaker 1: You know, Nick kind of mentioned it. If you were
Speaker 1: to draft a guy like Rashaan Slater number ten overall,
Speaker 1: and Tyrant Smith is healthy, Actually think he could play
Speaker 1: a guard for a year if you wanted him too.
Speaker 1: And I know that's getting way ahead of ourselves, but
Speaker 1: I'm happy with the job Connor Williams has done, but
Speaker 1: not to the point that I think his job is
Speaker 1: completely secure. You know, it's going to be interesting when
Speaker 1: you look at draft day here that you know here's
Speaker 1: a guy at the end of his contract one year left.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they'll do this with him, but those
Speaker 1: are the kind of guys that maybe have a little
Speaker 1: bit of trade value if you wanted a pick, if
Speaker 1: you wanted a third round fourth rounder maybe you know,
Speaker 1: and another team's like, okay, we can we get this guy,
Speaker 1: and now we still have to sign him. But he's
Speaker 1: a starting, capable guy. And that's just if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: know that that McGovern, you know, can compete or be better,
Speaker 1: or they've already drafted someone in the draft or whatever.
Speaker 1: But if they draft, like like Dave said, draft a
Speaker 1: guy like that, like a Slater from Northwestern, then I
Speaker 1: think you're looking at draft day and you might maybe
Speaker 1: try to move Connor. This is a contract year for him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, he probably wants to start.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big deal. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to move to tackle and be a swing tackle in
Speaker 1: his contract year. You know, so unless unless one of
Speaker 1: those guys gets hurt and then he goes in there
Speaker 1: and plays and then he shows what kind of value
Speaker 1: he's got, and then you know he might actually want that,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Yeah, I mean as I looked
Speaker 1: at Connor last year, I actually thought he was better
Speaker 1: than he was the year before, which is what you want.
Speaker 1: You want guys to develop and be better. I thought
Speaker 1: he was better. Is he where you want to be?
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think so, but also think that's also
Speaker 1: a function of who he had around him as well.
Speaker 1: Like you got to remember, through much of his career
Speaker 1: so far, he's had all pros around him, and last
Speaker 1: year he did not. He had he was the veteran.
Speaker 1: He was the grizzled veteran that was telling guys. You know,
Speaker 1: that was probably the one that was having to tell guys, hey,
Speaker 1: we need pay us attention to this, we need to
Speaker 1: do this. Hey you might not want to do that, right,
Speaker 1: And so it kind of flipped a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I do think he was better than he's been. I
Speaker 1: will say this though, and it's just as a big
Speaker 1: overall thing about the Cowboys, I do think they have to,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, invest one of their top three picks
Speaker 1: on an offensive lineman, because the way I look at
Speaker 1: it is it's even it's not necessarily about this year,
Speaker 1: although the depth is something that you absolutely need. It's
Speaker 1: about the fact that this team, if it's going to
Speaker 1: be offense driven, which it looks like it's going to be.
Speaker 1: I think when this offense functions best, and probably any
Speaker 1: offense in the league, is when your offensive line is strong.
Speaker 1: You look at some really great quarterbacks around the league,
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson think about what's going on right now
Speaker 1: down in in Seattle, like you got a really great
Speaker 1: quarterback that just says it throughout his career, has had
Speaker 1: issues with his offensive line being able to protect him.
Speaker 1: I think if you want to get the maximum value
Speaker 1: of your quarterback, you gotta put the offensive line in
Speaker 1: place first and foremost. And when the Cowboys have been
Speaker 1: successful here in the last few years, it's been because
Speaker 1: their offensive line was the epicenter of everything that happened
Speaker 1: for them. So I think they got to start rebuilding that.
Speaker 1: And I think that starts with this draft and every
Speaker 1: year from here for the next couple of years, three years,
Speaker 1: I would probably be investing one those top three picks
Speaker 1: in an offensive lineman. Trying to prepare for the future.
Speaker 1: I did have one more question I have for you
Speaker 1: guys on the offensive line before we move on to
Speaker 1: tight end. You mentioned Connor McGovern, did you think Connor
Speaker 1: McGovern showed enough to be able to possibly compete for
Speaker 1: the starting left guard spot over Connor Williams. We'll start
Speaker 1: with you Amber. Well, like I said earlier, I think
Speaker 1: that you just swave it up to training camp and
Speaker 1: hopefully some preseason games. I definitely think he showed enough
Speaker 1: to go out there and deserve a chance to compete
Speaker 1: the first starting job. But it's it's just a tough
Speaker 1: one because we keep talking about all these guys coming
Speaker 1: back and being healthy, but you don't. It's hard to
Speaker 1: have a clear image of what you're actually gonna have
Speaker 1: on the field. So that's what I would like to see.
Speaker 1: Just see them out there and competing. Just have a
Speaker 1: legit competition during training camp and see who wins the job.
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that he has the ability to
Speaker 1: compete for that job and possibly even get it. Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if this is boring. I just don't feel
Speaker 1: particularly strongly one way or the other. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: let him go to training camp and sort it out.
Speaker 1: I would be I think Connor McGovern was good enough
Speaker 1: last year that I wouldn't you know. I think he
Speaker 1: deserves a shot at a starting job and if he
Speaker 1: can take it, that's great. But I also think Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is just fine too, So go get after it,
Speaker 1: big guys. The only thing else I add to that is,
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to have an old line competition,
Speaker 1: you know, like Amber said, because you want that continuity.
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to build them, especially if you're
Speaker 1: trying to play like the oddest. You want them to
Speaker 1: kind of have all that again, you got to keep
Speaker 1: rotating guys in and there. Or you could say I'm
Speaker 1: going to prepare you for the season because it's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened last year. You don't know who was playing
Speaker 1: offensive line, you know, gained the game. But if if
Speaker 1: they think that it's not they're not gonna sign Connor
Speaker 1: Williams next year, you know, and maybe McGovern's got more upside,
Speaker 1: then I could see where it's like, if it's kind
Speaker 1: of either or, then I would probably go with McGovern
Speaker 1: and and say, all right, well he's gonna be here
Speaker 1: for the for the future a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: don't know that about Connor Williams. I mean, maybe they're
Speaker 1: trying to work on a deal. I don't I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think there's another deal they could work on though,
Speaker 1: but Nicky's good to happen if they signed Connor Williams
Speaker 1: to a deal, Oh my god, right now, I don't
Speaker 1: even go there. All right, Yeah, but what're you boys saying?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you, I mean me personally, I
Speaker 1: don't really need to see much from Sike Martin. I
Speaker 1: just needed him healthy. He can work on the sideline,
Speaker 1: work on the fans and all that. Both corners leete
Speaker 1: and there we go. I love that idea. That's it.
Speaker 1: If anything, you're training the other guy to be a backup,
Speaker 1: and all pros don't need to play, especially when the
Speaker 1: sidelines until we get back from training camp, especially when
Speaker 1: they could just move him to tackle, and he's he
Speaker 1: looks like an all pro in there, so you know,
Speaker 1: like if he could do that, and then that means
Speaker 1: he could just sit there for a while in Oxnard.
Speaker 1: If that's where we're going, and um, you know so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I miss it Martin. In the hyper field, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to break. We're gonna have our final break here
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna nick might not come back. We'll see
Speaker 1: how that goes. We'll take our final break. We'll come
Speaker 1: back we'll talk a little bit about the tight end position.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, we we'll talk about tight end position
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Speaker 1: Let's make sure you got some good opinions and question
Speaker 1: and let's jump in and let's talk a lot about
Speaker 1: the tight end position, because I think this is probably
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating positions going into training camp
Speaker 1: and then coming out of training camp and going into
Speaker 1: the season, mainly because the Cowboys got a pleasant surprise
Speaker 1: from Dalton Schultz this year. I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us expected him to play to the level that he did,
Speaker 1: and he played to such a level that the question becomes,
Speaker 1: do you think he has done enough to possibly even
Speaker 1: earn the starting job ahead of Blake Jarwood, who will
Speaker 1: be coming back from injury. Nicko, Let's star would even
Speaker 1: make you good? Um? I I don't know if if
Speaker 1: I expect I can answer, let me finish. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I expected that kind of season out of Jarwin.
Speaker 1: I really didn't. What did you know if you if
Speaker 1: you would sign him and you say, Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 1: catch sixty passes and he's gonna get four or five touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna not make the Pro Bowl, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna wonder if maybe he should have. And you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's a good year. And that's pretty much what Chultz said.
Speaker 1: And what that tells me is that when this thing's
Speaker 1: really cooking and the offensive the receivers are going and
Speaker 1: running back and all that, that that tight end's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to make some places. I do think Jarwin
Speaker 1: gives you more down the field stuff. I mean, Schulta
Speaker 1: average is five or six yards to catch. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not much, but he was he was there, he
Speaker 1: caught the ball. Well, he has surprised me, for sure.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he. I wasn't sure he's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the team, so he surprised me. But I do
Speaker 1: think Jarwin gives you a little bit more explosiveness down
Speaker 1: the field. So you would still go back to Jarwin
Speaker 1: as you're projected starter. Who blocks better? That's my question?
Speaker 1: Did not you have any answer for that? That's when
Speaker 1: training camp? Who blocks better? And I think it would
Speaker 1: be Jarwin. He should be taller and should give you
Speaker 1: a little bit more leverage. I don't know, Okay, Amber, Well,
Speaker 1: Jarwin husband my guy, So I would go back to
Speaker 1: him if he's healthy and back in his shape that
Speaker 1: he was before he got injured. And it was very
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I was really excited. And the tricky part is,
Speaker 1: we know how tricky training camp is. I mean, we
Speaker 1: see some things at training camp and then the season
Speaker 1: starts and then he just disappears. Yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't understand why that happens, but it happens, so to me, hopefully,
Speaker 1: I wasn't blinded by what I was seeing last year's
Speaker 1: serious training camp, but I remember being very very impressed
Speaker 1: with what Blake Jarwin was doing. I was very very
Speaker 1: excited about what he could do last year, but then
Speaker 1: he got hurt. So I'm hoping that he gets back
Speaker 1: in there. I do think, yeah, Dalton, I mean, because
Speaker 1: he did it last year, he definitely has a chance
Speaker 1: to compete for the starting job. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, my own preference would be to just
Speaker 1: go back to Blake Jarwin because I've seen so much
Speaker 1: more out of him that I've liked rather than what
Speaker 1: I've seen from Dalton Schultz, although he was impressive last year,
Speaker 1: not expect Schultz to do what he was able to
Speaker 1: do at all, Dave, I didn't ride the Jarwin bandwagon
Speaker 1: this long to hop off now. I expected a better
Speaker 1: season from Jarwin than what they got from Schultz. You know,
Speaker 1: Jarwin had or I'm sorry, Schultz had what sixty three
Speaker 1: catches for six fifteen. He averaged just under nine yards
Speaker 1: per catch. I know it's a much smaller sample size,
Speaker 1: but Blake Jarwin has flirted with twelve yards per catch
Speaker 1: over the course of his career. To Nick's point, he's
Speaker 1: a better downfield, explosive athlete. We've seen what he can
Speaker 1: do in the seam. I think he would have had
Speaker 1: an even better season than Schultz did if he had
Speaker 1: stayed healthy. So I'm riding with him all day. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, they ran two hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: snaps of twelve personnel last year, like there is room
Speaker 1: enough for both of these guys in the offense. I
Speaker 1: don't care who is on the field for the first
Speaker 1: snap of the game, it doesn't matter. But I think
Speaker 1: that they could be a really good one two punch
Speaker 1: But Jarwin's a big part of that. That's the part
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about. On that one two punch. I
Speaker 1: think it's a one three punch, honestly, because my number
Speaker 1: two guys got to block someone, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if both those guys out there can really block, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I think it's unfair to be able.
Speaker 1: I don't think we could judge that this year because
Speaker 1: I think there was so many problems at tackle that
Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell all the time if if if
Speaker 1: the tight end was a problem as much as the
Speaker 1: tackle was the problem. Signing Blake Bell, I'm tell you that,
Speaker 1: But that was actually be my next question. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: what did you see from Blake Bell this year? Because
Speaker 1: I think we all expected coming in he was going
Speaker 1: to be a real, a sure black blocker for you.
Speaker 1: And and my question is did you think you got
Speaker 1: what you expected? Um? Maybe not as much, but but
Speaker 1: I think that he needs to be on the field more,
Speaker 1: and I would I'm sorry, I'm using him more. How
Speaker 1: are you going to do that? You got all these
Speaker 1: guys that are playmakers at the wide receiver position, Who
Speaker 1: are you taking off the field? I don't know, he
Speaker 1: needs to block, but he needs to block more though
Speaker 1: I don't need all those playmakers. I wanted Zeke to
Speaker 1: run the ball and I want him to block, and
Speaker 1: I want him to have a few Gadget plays and
Speaker 1: I want him to to make I mean, that doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be this offense. This offense seems to be
Speaker 1: an eleven personnel offense, right, changing just do something different,
Speaker 1: change offense. You disagree with that? He agrees he wants
Speaker 1: to see more out of Blake Bell. He said it
Speaker 1: several times. No, I absolutely, I mean, I want Blake
Speaker 1: Bell to be yardage and I if they want to
Speaker 1: resign him, that's absolutely fine. But like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be part of conversations about blocking tight ends. Get
Speaker 1: no way. I'm no, I'm here to throw them. I'm
Speaker 1: here to wing it around the yard, score forty points
Speaker 1: a game. I want two tight ends to have fifty
Speaker 1: catches and five touchdowns each. I want eleven personnel like
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time. Kind of like talk
Speaker 1: about that. No, I'm with you on that. I actually
Speaker 1: agree with calling that day. I'm yeah, oh no, why
Speaker 1: because the past interference penalties call in the end zone
Speaker 1: that puts you on the one, winging it around the yard.
Speaker 1: It sounds really good, but sometimes there's nut cutting time
Speaker 1: and you've got to push someone back up the one
Speaker 1: yard line and these tight ends, and this offensive line
Speaker 1: doesn't do it. So just give me the ability to
Speaker 1: do a little bit of both. I get it, that's
Speaker 1: not the bread and butter of what they do. But
Speaker 1: at times, don't tell me they can block because it's
Speaker 1: a te on their name. That doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 1: tough and they can block. I want to. I want
Speaker 1: somebody that can do that. No, I get that, But
Speaker 1: I also think if your offensive line is doing their jobs,
Speaker 1: then when you get on the one yard line, run
Speaker 1: behind Tyren Smith, run behind Zack Marden like you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily need to run like out there by that tight end.
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's a lot of creative things
Speaker 1: you can do where you don't necessarily have to run
Speaker 1: the ball, but you can have safer plays that still
Speaker 1: can get you into the end zone. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I'm a lot less worried about that about what
Speaker 1: they do on the one yard line. If this offensive
Speaker 1: line can do its job, which again we've already talked
Speaker 1: about it, that's all the matter of them staying healthy.
Speaker 1: If they're healthy, I think they can do it. If
Speaker 1: they're not healthy, then you gotta crap you. And you
Speaker 1: know what, if you're not going to get a blocking
Speaker 1: tight end, it's fine, But can we act like it's
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six and can we get a fullback again?
Speaker 1: You need one of them, is what you're saying. He
Speaker 1: needs something, Give me one somebody to block amber. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this? Well, I'm no coach and
Speaker 1: I certainly have never played football, but is this so
Speaker 1: hard to train a tight end to learn how to
Speaker 1: blog better? I mean, why can't you just get a
Speaker 1: little bit of both out of them? Like? Why does
Speaker 1: it have to be one way or the other? Do
Speaker 1: you guys have an answer for that? Because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the short answer is college football programs don't
Speaker 1: play that style of football, and the vast majority of
Speaker 1: tight ends just don't really learn how to do it.
Speaker 1: And for that matter, you know, to get downfield the
Speaker 1: way that a lot of passing offenses want you to,
Speaker 1: you need to be slimmer than the two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty pound tight ends of your So, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the short answer, this is tricky. I guess I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a huge problem with the tight end
Speaker 1: position overall last year. I don't think it would be.
Speaker 1: It's not really a concern of mind going into this year.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with Blake Bell, but I saw it last year.
Speaker 1: I mean there were times where they were using Tony
Speaker 1: Polar to block poor Polor was just getting thrown away
Speaker 1: like up in the air, also Zeke at times. I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens with also a lot of these guys. So
Speaker 1: it's just gonna happen at times and you just gotta
Speaker 1: deal with it. But overall, I think that the least
Speaker 1: of my problems or concerns is the tight end position.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping with Blake Jarwin back, everything's it's gonna be better.
Speaker 1: But just overall, I think that I'm okay with what
Speaker 1: Blake Bell did. And it's just kind of pick your weapons,
Speaker 1: you know, pick your weapons on how you're gonna play,
Speaker 1: and you can't win. You can have all your weapons
Speaker 1: out there at once, so it just depends on how
Speaker 1: you're wanting to play football, all right. I would just
Speaker 1: like Dave I as a closing thought, and Derek, I
Speaker 1: think You're absolutely right, Like, if the offensive line is
Speaker 1: healthy and available, that should be all that I need.
Speaker 1: But I'm also paying the battering ram running back fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year if the if the offense line
Speaker 1: is healthy and doing its job, Zeke, go bully somebody
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Like, we're not scoring touchdowns with
Speaker 1: a fifteen million dollars running back because the third tight
Speaker 1: ends not blocking? Right? Gross? Yes, no, go run somebody
Speaker 1: over and score or else? What are we paying you for?
Speaker 1: I think it's fair, right, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's fair. If we're talking about running back. What day
Speaker 1: we're talking about running back? Because yeah, that's fair. I
Speaker 1: thought we were talking about tight end. No, I get
Speaker 1: you need a whole show for them. No, well, I
Speaker 1: mean we did, and we talked about running back, and
Speaker 1: I think we all agreed that all though Zeke is
Speaker 1: still a premier running back, Zeke's got to be better,
Speaker 1: right for what the funny he's baking, He's gotta be bad.
Speaker 1: He's gotta be better. And I think that's a that's
Speaker 1: a completely different starting with holding on with the ball,
Speaker 1: holding on to the ball. But what I'm just saying
Speaker 1: is is that if I've got three tight ends out here,
Speaker 1: and and they're they're Dalton Schultz, and they're Sean McEwan,
Speaker 1: and there Blake Jarwin, I don't think anybody anybody's blocking anybody.
Speaker 1: So a thirteen personnel or a twelve personnel, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: give me some more creativity than that. Figure out a way.
Speaker 1: If if Kellen Moore's the boy genius, then figure out
Speaker 1: a way. Give me Antoine Woods, give me the deefense,
Speaker 1: give me something else that can go some beefier packages.
Speaker 1: Figure out a way somehow to do. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I think about it is. I'm
Speaker 1: not so concerned about them making sure that the third
Speaker 1: tight end is there for you to block. Find somebody though,
Speaker 1: whether you go to full beck, whether you take a
Speaker 1: defensive player, whether you take an additional offensive lineman. When
Speaker 1: you get in those situations, whatever it is, you seem
Speaker 1: to figure out something to give you that kind of
Speaker 1: beef when you need to pound the ball for yard.
Speaker 1: But when they draft Kyle Pitts at number ten, what
Speaker 1: happens then? Can we score fifty points a game? All right?
Speaker 1: But let's get to some questions we got about seven
Speaker 1: minutes left in the show. Let's get some questions here.
Speaker 1: They're doing this well. You mentioned the draft, and I
Speaker 1: got this guy asking a question about what position group
Speaker 1: for the defense do you think will have the most
Speaker 1: immediate impact through the draft. I mean, the easy, obvious
Speaker 1: answer is probably cornerback because right now, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's going to change when free agency starts, but you
Speaker 1: don't have any and it's a very good if I
Speaker 1: had to lay money on who they were going to
Speaker 1: draft at ten, the overwhelming favorite should be cornerback because
Speaker 1: there's two very good ones. One of them will definitely
Speaker 1: be there and he should be a day one starter.
Speaker 1: So that's the easy answer. And I love the idea
Speaker 1: of pairing him up with Diggs. I think you might
Speaker 1: be able to hit on something where you got yourself
Speaker 1: a pair of cornerbacks that you can just ride for
Speaker 1: the next four or five years and just see where
Speaker 1: it goes. Like that might be the beginning of you
Speaker 1: kind of rebuilding your defense. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you know they're both both the two he's talking about
Speaker 1: Farley and certain I mean, they're both good. But you
Speaker 1: know I know this that there's no a bunch of
Speaker 1: five stars guys at Virginia Tech on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that's what I wonder. I wonder
Speaker 1: about maybe Farley, I mean, maybe he might be even
Speaker 1: better just because you know, he's playing the number one
Speaker 1: receiver every time out and he's not getting you know,
Speaker 1: the path rush and all that. But if that didn't
Speaker 1: play fifteen years in the league either, So I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe that matters, maybe it doesn't, but they help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: either way, I think it's going to be better than
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. I'm sorry. I meant Anthony Brown and Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis and you know, Cheeto or who actually hope they
Speaker 1: bring Jordan back though I think it. Jordan still fits,
Speaker 1: and I think you'd be a nice compliment if you had.
Speaker 1: Let's say, you got that draft pick and you put
Speaker 1: him with Digs and Jordan is your your nickel guy.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot. As your
Speaker 1: three cornerbacks that you're running out day one, I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. So your QB four or I mean, your
Speaker 1: your fourth cornerback's gonna be making five million a year
Speaker 1: or were cutting Anthony Brown. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time really understanding what I think
Speaker 1: of Anthony Brown, because I don't think he's a bad cornerback.
Speaker 1: I just think he's kind of just a guy. If
Speaker 1: that's you know, if that's okay, and and and by
Speaker 1: the way, you need some of those guys on your team.
Speaker 1: Everybody can't be a high draft pick. Everybody can't be
Speaker 1: a high price free agent. I get that. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, go ahead. I was just laughing because
Speaker 1: if Jordan Lewis's agent is watching this, you know, or
Speaker 1: why or other you know, people talk about it, like
Speaker 1: think about what Jordan and Cheetoh are gonna get in
Speaker 1: the open market, because Jordan might get more, might get
Speaker 1: that contracted Anthony Brown gott and Cheeto's definitely gonna try
Speaker 1: to get that either way more than that. So I
Speaker 1: don't even know if they did come back. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think you think Cheeto can really command that kind
Speaker 1: of money Anthony Brown money, Well, yeah, I guess that should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he can't. I think I think I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get cheetouous money. You do, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna kind of laugh, but like, yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get some money. What makes you think that just
Speaker 1: because it's cornerback. Yeah, and he's made some plays in
Speaker 1: twenty five mile an hour running and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I think it all come back. And then
Speaker 1: they got the size. Sorry, Nick, now go ahead. He's
Speaker 1: got the size that people He's got the size that
Speaker 1: people covet. He's athletic as hell. He's started many many
Speaker 1: games in the NFL, and that's all he needs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree with Nick, and I mean, you know not.
Speaker 1: I think we all think the world of Anthony Hitchins.
Speaker 1: He was a good player here. Anthony Hitchins was a
Speaker 1: good player. But you when you saw the deal Kansas
Speaker 1: City gave him, you were like, WHOA, Okay, Kansas City
Speaker 1: have fun. And that's I think something similar might happen
Speaker 1: with Cheeto. But he was a better player, not a
Speaker 1: bad player. He was a better player here though than
Speaker 1: Cheeto has been. Right. Yeah, but Cheeto plays a more
Speaker 1: important position. True. I'm not saying he's I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a Hitchins contract, I think, but I
Speaker 1: think he will get it. I will not be surprised
Speaker 1: if he signs a deal that kind of makes you
Speaker 1: raise your eye propose, Okay, So let me throw this
Speaker 1: question back to you. If you just ran down all
Speaker 1: the things of why a team would want to pay
Speaker 1: Cheeto that money, should the Cowboys be considering maybe they
Speaker 1: should pay a d an amount of money for him
Speaker 1: because of all those things you just mentioned. No, no,
Speaker 1: But Derek, we see this all every year. We see
Speaker 1: this happen where we see a guy differently and then
Speaker 1: they go out in the open market and they get
Speaker 1: a ton of money, a lot more money than what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could have offered them. And the thing is
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, oh, my coach, my staff
Speaker 1: can make this player better. So when you're looking at
Speaker 1: videos and these players you always have as a coach
Speaker 1: and recruiting staff, I feel like you always have that
Speaker 1: mentality that you see the talent and you just have
Speaker 1: that itch that you think that if they come work
Speaker 1: with you, you're gonna be able to make that player better.
Speaker 1: In at times, we've seen that happen with a lot
Speaker 1: of players that have left the Cowboys, that they go
Speaker 1: and hine at other teams. So I think that's just
Speaker 1: one of the things that you have to look at
Speaker 1: why another team would see them more valuable than what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys see them. I think I think he needs
Speaker 1: a fresh start, and I think, you know, not to
Speaker 1: steal online from a former co worker, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think you could argue that he had a foot
Speaker 1: in the parking lot anyways. Yeah, I mean he was
Speaker 1: already kind of thinking about contract looking in that way,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is a big year for him.
Speaker 1: The second contract is a big year for every NFL player,
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna get it. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna go, and I think he probably needs to go
Speaker 1: to another team and he might be really good. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll be really good, but I think
Speaker 1: he'll be serviceable. I'll throughout Damien Wilson as an example.
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson has been a good player for Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was that with the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys like when he signed somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys are really heartbroken about it.
Speaker 1: But he's been a good player. He's been a better
Speaker 1: player there than he was or so it happens. It
Speaker 1: absolutely happens. Scheme, which I actually I thought about that
Speaker 1: this morning while I was out on a run, because
Speaker 1: somebody somebody tweeted me this morning, Thank you, Dare. Somebody
Speaker 1: tweeted me this morning talking about, you know, they need
Speaker 1: to get rid of Will because his last few drafts
Speaker 1: have been like super bad, and I was kind of
Speaker 1: thinking about that. I'm like, well, first of all, that's
Speaker 1: that's just not true, right, But then you know, the
Speaker 1: twenty seven, the twenty seventeen draft, I think you probably
Speaker 1: have you you absolutely have to chalk it up as
Speaker 1: a as a disappointment at this point, Taco was a
Speaker 1: bust um, you know you you like most of those
Speaker 1: guys are not going to be here long term, but
Speaker 1: I think there's room for nuance there. Like was Cheeto
Speaker 1: a woozier. Let's just assume he doesn't come back like
Speaker 1: was he a bust No, Probably like a slight disappointment,
Speaker 1: but not everybody's gonna be a bonanza pick that you
Speaker 1: pay a second contract too. It's just it's too hard.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So if you get four
Speaker 1: years of service out of Cheeto, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: disappointing he didn't do more in the four years he
Speaker 1: was here. But I don't consider him a bust y'all.
Speaker 1: Like I don't consider that a bust of a pick. No,
Speaker 1: don't mean a guy that starts and plays. And no,
Speaker 1: he got hurt some and you know, he wasn't as
Speaker 1: good as you wanted him to. Want he didn't get
Speaker 1: as many interceptions as you wanted him to. But no,
Speaker 1: I don't like we said like when we started the show,
Speaker 1: it's not one way or the other. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like he was an all world or the worst.
Speaker 1: I mean he's in between. And by the way, you
Speaker 1: got to be real careful, real careful, all caution fans,
Speaker 1: real careful with assigning too much praise or too much
Speaker 1: blame to Will or anybody else in the front office
Speaker 1: with regards to draft picks, because what you don't know
Speaker 1: is who is really behind that pick. You know, some
Speaker 1: of the things we've heard, there have been times that
Speaker 1: picks have been made because a coach was really, really
Speaker 1: pushing hard and that was the voice that really convinced
Speaker 1: the powers that be to make a decision. And so
Speaker 1: I think you got to be really careful. It's not
Speaker 1: like a typical A typical team kind of runs their
Speaker 1: thing like when you have the GM, and ultimately the
Speaker 1: GM is the one that makes decision, and by the way,
Speaker 1: that probably is the case here, but the GM ain't
Speaker 1: will right, Will's not making the final decision, So I
Speaker 1: think you have to be real careful with that when
Speaker 1: you start kind of figuring out who to places blame
Speaker 1: and by the way, who also to give credit. You
Speaker 1: kind of have to do it as a team and
Speaker 1: either as a team they did well or as a
Speaker 1: team they didn't do well. Yep. I just think it's
Speaker 1: and I know, I know we gotta go, but I
Speaker 1: just I'm that's an interesting thing. And Anthony Hitchins and
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson are great examples, Like not everybody's gonna be
Speaker 1: a bust of a bad player, and not everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: be a cornerstone that you can pay big money to.
Speaker 1: Some guys you just draft, thank you for your service,
Speaker 1: and move on and we hope the best for you.
Speaker 1: And like, I don't think the Cowboys are dumb for
Speaker 1: not resigning Anthony Hitchins or Damian Wilson. Honestly, like that,
Speaker 1: I don't think those would have been good free like
Speaker 1: money allocations and if Cheeto a Woozier can get ten
Speaker 1: million dollars a year on the open market, I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be smart for the Cowboys to try
Speaker 1: to match that either. And sometimes you just gotta say
Speaker 1: thanks for your time and we'll have the good memories
Speaker 1: and draft the next guy. Yep, all right, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys. Dennis. We'll be back on next Wednesday. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about the defense. We're gonna flip this conversation over
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. There are are so
Speaker 1: many topics to hit on that side of the ball,
Speaker 1: so we'll do that next week. Till then. For Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I am Derek Eagleton. This has
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