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Speaker 2: Hey, rain drops.
Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality of the King, my girlfriend
Speaker 1: is back, my sister from another mister. I love it
Speaker 1: when she's on. You guys loving when she's on. She's
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Speaker 1: intended Kate Kasey.
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm so fired enough, ready to talk, so excited.
Speaker 2: Should we just die right in? Because I felt like, well,
Speaker 2: let me just start here.
Speaker 1: Obviously, we're gonna recap the latest episode of The Real
Speaker 1: Housewives Ability Hills. You and I have the best spirited
Speaker 1: conversations because sometimes we're aligne sometimes we're not, But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's the best conversation ever.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this episode, you did.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the I think the previous one. More, Okay,
Speaker 3: that was more in my style, where it's just like
Speaker 3: you get to go to someone's house and you meet
Speaker 3: their weird parents and then you figure out, like why
Speaker 3: they're such a weirdo. I love that more. This episode
Speaker 3: felt to me like I also like it, but not
Speaker 3: as much. This is like almost like a workplace comedy.
Speaker 3: They don't realize they're in it, but it's a workplace comedy.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like the Office or something. Yes it is.
Speaker 1: Oh god, why is his name? I'll have a brave part.
Speaker 1: The lead actor Kate from The Offense.
Speaker 3: Oh, Michael Scott, No, that's the character. Oh well yes,
Speaker 3: but yeah, the actor Steve Carell.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kate, Steve Carell. Sutton is Steve Carell.
Speaker 3: She's She's definitely not most observant of oneself, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was fascinating, but let's just get right into it,
Speaker 1: because the beginning of this episode obviously is the continuation
Speaker 1: of the previous where Sutton is an Augusta Georgia and
Speaker 1: I along with you, I want to say, me and
Speaker 1: you do agree on this, Like, Sutton is obviously a
Speaker 1: very interesting character on the show. We don't get a
Speaker 1: chance to see her children because her husband unfortunately won't
Speaker 1: sign off for the kids to be on the show.
Speaker 3: But wait a minute, aren't they over eighteen?
Speaker 2: Are all of them over eighteen or the some of.
Speaker 3: Them at least two are?
Speaker 2: So are they just not interested?
Speaker 3: Probably? I think the daughter may be graduating from college.
Speaker 3: I think I read that she's going to go to
Speaker 3: law school or wants to go to law school, so
Speaker 3: she might be like, this is not my vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: And I think the other goes to maybe the Citadel.
Speaker 3: I think he's in a military academy.
Speaker 4: Oh Wowow do you have to say, I do look
Speaker 4: at someone's kids and and if they're as you know,
Speaker 4: as successful.
Speaker 3: As they seem, you do have to give it to
Speaker 3: some and then her ex husband. I mean, they do
Speaker 3: seem to have raised successful kids maybe and maybe wise
Speaker 3: for them to, you know, keep off the show to
Speaker 3: maintain their anonymity.
Speaker 2: Similar to but it sucks for us.
Speaker 3: But it sucks for us. I know Erica Jane too.
Speaker 3: You have to say, props her. She seems to have
Speaker 3: raised a very successful you know. I was just say,
Speaker 3: they all kind of seem to have raised really nice kids.
Speaker 1: Are good, Yeah, even like Mauricio and Kyle great parents,
Speaker 1: the kids are great.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Grsel seems like a really present, about understanding, empathetic mother,
Speaker 3: So props to them.
Speaker 1: Yes, what are your thoughts, Ariba, I want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Oh, a lot, a lot, I have a lot start.
Speaker 3: Definitely a product of her generation. She even says it,
Speaker 3: and I when she said it, I kept thinking about
Speaker 3: my own relatives. I think that women that are well women.
Speaker 3: I think both men and women that were born to
Speaker 3: parents that were in the war or out of the
Speaker 3: war are much more cold and detached because that was
Speaker 3: how they were raised. They were not coddled. It was
Speaker 3: very much like keep like my own mother would say.
Speaker 3: If I ever cry about anything, my mom says, there
Speaker 3: are other people have more problems in the world. Keep
Speaker 3: your chin up, keep moving. And I think that Sutton
Speaker 3: was born in a home like that. I also think
Speaker 3: Reba's interesting because she's a therapist. Sometimes I find therapists
Speaker 3: are interesting characters because they're so great with their own clients,
Speaker 3: but not so much with their own kids.
Speaker 2: Like kn' is still a bastard and her mother exactly.
Speaker 3: And then the added component of Reba's definitely in deep
Speaker 3: grief because of what happened with her husband. I think
Speaker 3: that she is confused by her daughter because her daughter seemingly,
Speaker 3: I think, in her eyes, has had a great life.
Speaker 3: She had every opportunity in the world, was a successful,
Speaker 3: successful ballet dancer, was married to someone with an abundance
Speaker 3: of money and resources, and lives a very nice life.
Speaker 3: And she what I got from her was like, what
Speaker 3: are you complaining about all of those things? And she's
Speaker 3: a woman of a certain generation in the South, so
Speaker 3: the scenes that she has with Garcel are are so jarring.
Speaker 3: She is so dismissive of Garcel, like that one scene
Speaker 3: where she's sort of dismissive of her and then Kyle
Speaker 3: walks in and she's commenting on her beauty. Yeah, very
Speaker 3: painful to watch.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was painful for me to watch. Listen.
Speaker 1: Riba is a woman that obviously grew up in an
Speaker 1: era where it was in the South, no less right
Speaker 1: where it appears.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to call her names because.
Speaker 1: We're not here to do that, but it doesn't appear
Speaker 1: that she may not have had the best interactions with
Speaker 1: people who are black, right, And it was jarring for
Speaker 1: me as a black person to watch it because I
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I felt uncomfortable watching it, and
Speaker 1: I felt uncomfortable for Garcel because to me, I felt
Speaker 1: like Garcel was trying so hard, so hard to have
Speaker 1: a connection with her, and Riba just wasn't here for it.
Speaker 1: She just wasn't here for it, even saying to her
Speaker 1: when Garcella is like, look, your daughter wants you to
Speaker 1: say you're proud of her, and she's like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's any of.
Speaker 2: Your business, and look, it may not be. It may
Speaker 2: not be, but.
Speaker 1: I also think there's a way of telling somebody to
Speaker 1: mind your business that didn't seem so hard. I just
Speaker 1: felt like that was one example in addition to tons
Speaker 1: of examples in her treatment towards Garcel and what I
Speaker 1: will hope to happen at the.
Speaker 2: Reunion and this is me just being honest.
Speaker 1: Garcel has talked about Dere's microaggressions. I need for Garcela
Speaker 1: to talk about Rebus and if that's not brought up,
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be an issue. Because when it
Speaker 1: came to Dorry saying all Garcila, you're attacking me. The
Speaker 1: line was divided in terms of whether people thought it
Speaker 1: was microaggressions or at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: reasonal reality show with women and housewives attack each other
Speaker 1: what Riba was displaying to me and to the world.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because.
Speaker 1: A lot of my white friends text me and said,
Speaker 1: I just want you to know I feel uncomfortable watching
Speaker 1: this right. So my hope is that Garcell can talk
Speaker 1: about dreads microaggression is that she said she had we
Speaker 1: have to address ribus.
Speaker 3: So I wondered too if there was some sort of
Speaker 3: interview that they did with Sutton where they asked her
Speaker 3: about that, how her mother was kind of cold, not
Speaker 3: kind of absolutely cold to Garcel, how that made her feel.
Speaker 3: And I wonder if they didn't include it. I would
Speaker 3: be shocked that they wouldn't ask her about that. I mean,
Speaker 3: it is so obvious. Why why would you not? That's
Speaker 3: like the first question I would have, like, where was that?
Speaker 2: Do you know this?
Speaker 3: Kate?
Speaker 1: On the after show, Sudden revealed that Riba returned the
Speaker 1: gift back to Garcel.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 1: So the spark that she gave Riba, Riba returned it
Speaker 1: back to Garcel.
Speaker 3: I want, like, is Sudden afraid of her mother? Could
Speaker 3: can't she say something to her like this is one
Speaker 3: of my closest friends. How dare you disrespect her in
Speaker 3: my home? Nonetheless, is she like afraid of her? Is
Speaker 3: that what's going on?
Speaker 1: It appears to me that this not to be a psychiatrist,
Speaker 1: because I'm not. But one thing I was told and
Speaker 1: I would love to get your insight because you have
Speaker 1: five beautiful children and I.
Speaker 2: Want to get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: A woman once told me that a girl's first bully
Speaker 1: is her mother.
Speaker 2: It's in some cases, right, huh.
Speaker 1: It appears to me that because Sutton was also to
Speaker 1: her dad, possibly there could have been some jealousy there
Speaker 1: with Sutton and her mother. Not and listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: blaming Sutton at all, because a child should not should
Speaker 1: not be blamed for how their parents treat them because
Speaker 1: the child was did not ask to be brought to
Speaker 1: the world read.
Speaker 2: But it is very cold to Sutton.
Speaker 1: And like you said earlier, your mother was like, girl,
Speaker 1: wipe them tears. There's other people who have bigger problems,
Speaker 1: and I think that's okay to no.
Speaker 3: I see, I see my mother and Reba trust me
Speaker 3: all you do?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that's how I was raised with somebody
Speaker 3: who is very cold and detached, extremely cold and detached. Yes.
Speaker 1: What is her advice then to Sutton as as an
Speaker 1: adult woman who is now, you know, a mother and
Speaker 1: was able to you know, have children and maybe look
Speaker 1: at some of what your mother did to you as
Speaker 1: a way of saying, well.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be different.
Speaker 3: Well, you can't ask some money who is devoid of
Speaker 3: interest and introspection to suddenly gain some It's impossible. The
Speaker 3: only thing you can do is set your own boundaries.
Speaker 3: So you need to say, you know, in my home
Speaker 3: you will not do the following. This is not acceptable
Speaker 3: to me. But you can't expect her to suddenly have
Speaker 3: some introspection and insight because it's it's just never going
Speaker 3: to be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and that that appeared to be evidema.
Speaker 1: Look at the very end, she she told her daughter,
Speaker 1: I love you, with the resounding applause from Cogre and
Speaker 1: Garsel and listen for me. I appreciate the fact we
Speaker 1: were able to go to Augusta because I strongly believe
Speaker 1: that we're eating reality star if you want to understand them,
Speaker 1: and I and I felt it was very hard to
Speaker 1: connect to and as a viewer because we don't see
Speaker 1: her children, we don't see her ex husband, we don't
Speaker 1: see a sibling, we don't see a family member. So
Speaker 1: we finally got a chance to see Riba, and I
Speaker 1: think after seeing that, I'm not able to understand a
Speaker 1: lot about Sutton. I had a chance to meet her recently.
Speaker 1: She was lovely, very kind, very nice, but I always
Speaker 1: felt that as a viewer it was just hard to
Speaker 1: connect to her because there wasn't enough to deal with.
Speaker 1: And I'll ended with this, Kate. It reminded me of
Speaker 1: how Kenya Moore Atlanta Housewife as Harold did us like
Speaker 1: the best villain that Alance has ever seen. And that
Speaker 1: season we went to Detroit and we went to her
Speaker 1: mother's home right and Kenya knocked on the door and
Speaker 1: we heard her mother say lock the door. And that
Speaker 1: that scene, one hundred percent of the audience said, I
Speaker 1: now understand Kenya.
Speaker 3: I actually have always felt a real connection to Kenya
Speaker 3: because there is something that is deeply painful about the
Speaker 3: rejection of a parent for me as my father, but
Speaker 3: for her to go into pageants was her way of
Speaker 3: This is the part that I absolutely related to and
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people do. When you have
Speaker 3: a parent that is dismissive abandons you, sometimes you go
Speaker 3: on the other side of the coin where you try
Speaker 3: to have incredible success because you're chasing the acknowledgment of
Speaker 3: a parent that never will give it to you. You
Speaker 3: just won't. And that way, I think that there is
Speaker 3: a common thread with Kenya and Sutton. Sutton's never going
Speaker 3: to get the acknowledgment that she wants. The one thing
Speaker 3: I did think was in her own small way, was
Speaker 3: that her act of like an act of her own
Speaker 3: empowerment to have them come to Augusta the camera crew,
Speaker 3: but being selective with just two women, so instead of
Speaker 3: having the total ensemble cast. Her relationship with Garcel and
Speaker 3: Garcel having time with Reeba may have been fewer and
Speaker 3: far between, but was that her like an active defiance
Speaker 3: against her mother too, Like I need you to spend
Speaker 3: time with this very close friend of mine. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Listen, I I can pick up what you're dropping.
Speaker 1: I think it was I have a friend, she's black,
Speaker 1: she's successful. I really like her, and I want you
Speaker 1: to spend time with her. Because I never thought about that.
Speaker 1: That's why I love having you on. I think Kyle
Speaker 1: coming along with listen, I always thought it was weird,
Speaker 1: like you guys aren't that close, So Kyle coming I
Speaker 1: always thought was weird. But I think Kyle was used
Speaker 1: as a buffer to make her mother feel more comfortable,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to bring my black friend and I'll
Speaker 1: bring my white friend, so that there seems to be
Speaker 1: some balance. I do agree with that one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: I think Son was very, very a thought acol in
Speaker 1: her attempt to try to get her mother to really
Speaker 1: see her life. And look, I think I wonder if
Speaker 1: Someding regrets having her mother on the show.
Speaker 2: Because I'm not the only person saying this, You're not.
Speaker 1: Everybody is saying like, look, Reba appears to have a
Speaker 1: lot of things she needs to work on when it
Speaker 1: comes to the way she treats people.
Speaker 3: And she's a therapist. You know, I have a relative
Speaker 3: who is a priest, coldest person I've ever met in
Speaker 3: my entire life. That is always what shocks me, Like,
Speaker 3: if you're not an empathetic person, why are you a therapist?
Speaker 3: Why someone hating children and being a teacher? What huh?
Speaker 3: Am missing something?
Speaker 1: But I never thought about that because I think people
Speaker 1: are listen. I'm glad you're reminding me. Is a therapist?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Riba needs to see needs to see a therapist.
Speaker 3: But I think they typically do. They typically do. I
Speaker 3: only know this because I watched a show about therapists,
Speaker 3: and they typically do. I would love to know who
Speaker 3: all of her clients are. To her clients all look
Speaker 3: like one kind of person.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I think so if you can be so cold to
Speaker 1: your daughter's friend who was nothing but lovely, lovely, and
Speaker 1: then to add insult to injury, you return the gift.
Speaker 1: It's a scarf. I mean, it wasn't like it was like.
Speaker 3: This, like so rude about it, like what am I
Speaker 3: going to do with this?
Speaker 1: It was like a liberachi, you know, sort of like
Speaker 1: artwork that that's a little bit like, of course, like
Speaker 1: not her taste.
Speaker 2: It's a scarf that.
Speaker 1: Obviously give to your cleaning lady, give it like give
Speaker 1: it to the mailman.
Speaker 2: But to listen, I'm gonna move on from it.
Speaker 1: There's a message to me that was sent by her
Speaker 1: returning it back to Garcel. I think I think that
Speaker 1: sent no pun intended. I think it's sent a very
Speaker 1: strong message.
Speaker 2: To me, Yeah to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, now speaking of strong messages and a strong drink.
Speaker 1: So here we are listen. Derry is having a Fourth
Speaker 1: of July party celebrating America, and everything is done in red,
Speaker 1: white and blue.
Speaker 2: She's getting things together.
Speaker 1: It's early and she arrives Dery in typical three fashioned
Speaker 1: pun intended. Is it her closet getting ready for you know,
Speaker 1: getting gland ready? And Sudden is there for a long time,
Speaker 1: but then Kyle comes.
Speaker 2: They go in the backyard.
Speaker 1: Garcella is there, and then a conversation ensued about whether
Speaker 1: or not Sutton has alcohol in her drink, and Duri
Speaker 1: made a common like it's suthing. Of course it's alcohol,
Speaker 1: and Sutton lose this her shit and cost her a bitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Dereise says, I would like it if you don't
Speaker 1: call me a bitch in my own house, and then
Speaker 1: Sutton leaves.
Speaker 2: I mean, kay.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of pactages from there because there's
Speaker 1: so much more that happened afterwards.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, here's my question for your audience, because I
Speaker 3: have not known many people that have alcoholism or a
Speaker 3: loved one with it, so this is a question I have.
Speaker 3: Is it strange? Because it seems strange to me that
Speaker 3: Durak the season has talked openly about Pek's alcoholism. She
Speaker 3: suggests that a sponsor was the one that suggested that
Speaker 3: they get separated, and she's been flippant about the possibility
Speaker 3: that PK and Kyle part of their friendship is based
Speaker 3: on their shared sobriety, and then makes flippant comments about
Speaker 3: Sutton and her drinking. Is that strange?
Speaker 2: I love you so much because as if you were.
Speaker 1: I laughed at the moment because to me, it was
Speaker 1: like feeling funny, and that's why we watched these shows.
Speaker 1: But then, Kay, as I kept watching it, I swear
Speaker 1: to you, I thought about, like, wait a second, you
Speaker 1: talked about your husband and his alcoholism and the things
Speaker 1: you've seen, and you know, we talked about how the
Speaker 1: retold everybody with an earshot PK was an alcoholic. So
Speaker 1: even if it was a flippant joke, I think, look,
Speaker 1: knowing what you're dealing with, and then to even use
Speaker 1: that as a joke, I did find weird after I
Speaker 1: really processed this moment because of what we've been seeing
Speaker 1: and largely one of the reasons why a lot of
Speaker 1: people do feel bad for duree Is because of what
Speaker 1: she had to experience with PK's alcoholism and having a
Speaker 1: sponsor and all those things. So if you think for
Speaker 1: a second that something does have a problem, and listen,
Speaker 1: no one has said she does.
Speaker 2: I want to be that very clear. But if you
Speaker 2: feel like well drinks.
Speaker 1: A lot, one would argue be a little bit more
Speaker 1: sensitive if that's the case, based on what you're dealing
Speaker 1: with with your husband.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I have one friend in town, and I
Speaker 3: remember I said to her, I don't know, about six
Speaker 3: months ago, something like about her ex husband. He said
Speaker 3: he I noticed, he said he doesn't drink. And her
Speaker 3: response immediately was, that's really his story to tell.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 3: And so when I watched those scenes, I thought of
Speaker 3: my own friend and that response, And so it's strange
Speaker 3: to me that Duriek doesn't have a little bit more
Speaker 3: empathy or says something like that. So we have a
Speaker 3: little bit more contexts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Agree, I said the same thing when she when she
Speaker 1: told both for the first time, I sent this podcast.
Speaker 1: That's not your story to tell people, that is PK story.
Speaker 1: Just like when a woman is pregnant it's not anyone
Speaker 1: else's story to tell people.
Speaker 2: You know, this woman's pregnant.
Speaker 1: Sutton obviously had a strong reaction, and I want to
Speaker 1: get her thoughts on it, not to diagnose Sun either.
Speaker 1: She did say that she's sick of it because they
Speaker 1: tried to perpetuate last season in the season before that,
Speaker 1: that she drinks a lot and.
Speaker 2: That it messed her up. These are her words. It
Speaker 2: mess her up.
Speaker 1: You know, people are gossipping about it, and she's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I understand where Sun is coming from if that's not
Speaker 1: if because she feels that way and she said it
Speaker 1: now the remay and I have known that obviously, but
Speaker 1: I too would be upset if you're trying to make
Speaker 1: jokes about me and drinking. Anna Marie was on my
Speaker 1: podcast last season and she made a comment that about Sutton,
Speaker 1: the cass make comments about Sudden and her drinking, whether
Speaker 1: or not she has to.
Speaker 2: Her coffee cup whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you think something was right for having that strong
Speaker 1: reaction based on they're constantly perpetuating these rumors with her.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's hard to say, because it's that's
Speaker 3: how she feels. I think that what I'm missing from
Speaker 3: Sudden under read is a little bit more explanation and there,
Speaker 3: and they're in the moment interviews or they're confessionals. It's
Speaker 3: like if alcoholism is a touchy subject in her own space,
Speaker 3: so in her own interview, I wish that she would
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about that why it upsets her,
Speaker 3: because there's there's some freedom in being able to express
Speaker 3: yourself if it's just the one on one interview. So
Speaker 3: I think if I had a little bit more of that,
Speaker 3: and if I had a little bit more from Derey
Speaker 3: about her marriage, because it just feels like it fell
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, Like she said we're better than ever
Speaker 3: at the last reunion, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 3: the season started, she's like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: who he is anymore, but she doesn't explain it in
Speaker 3: those solo interviews. I think if I had that element,
Speaker 3: I would be a little bit more maybe understanding and
Speaker 3: less confused. So I think both of them just feel
Speaker 3: it feels very disjointed to me their personal stories this season.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I have really a great grasp
Speaker 3: of like where they're coming from and where they are
Speaker 3: right now in our life.
Speaker 2: Yes, because the thing is this DERI and I agree
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: They don't do the best job at explaining what's going on,
Speaker 1: because let's have a real conversation, Kate.
Speaker 2: They hide stuff from us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like dere MPK issues did not all of a
Speaker 1: sudden happen right doing the break.
Speaker 2: You guys have been hiding matter.
Speaker 1: Issues because you wanted to once again perpetuate that you
Speaker 1: guys were good.
Speaker 2: Same thing of Kyle. I love you some, Kyle.
Speaker 1: Clearly you and maurisil have had tons of issues throughout
Speaker 1: your marriage that you neglected to share on camera.
Speaker 2: So that's why we're confused about this.
Speaker 3: I should have included her in that too, all three
Speaker 3: of them. I wish that you know, all of them
Speaker 3: would kind of say, by the way you could see
Speaker 3: in two sentences, I haven't always been completely honest about
Speaker 3: the status of my marriage. I have felt at times
Speaker 3: uncomfortable really revealing how I feel personally because I wanted
Speaker 3: to protect my children, or I wasn't really willing to
Speaker 3: admit the things that I've done in my own marriage
Speaker 3: that was not of support to a partner who I
Speaker 3: now understand was completely disconnected to me. Whatever, I just
Speaker 3: need a couple of sentences and I think that's true
Speaker 3: of Kyle Dory and Sudden. There's a real disconnect. And
Speaker 3: and I say this because in fairness, I've said that
Speaker 3: about Eric past seasons. Yeah, you know, we've taken Erica
Speaker 3: to task for that, So why are we not taking
Speaker 3: them to task for it too?
Speaker 2: Yet?
Speaker 1: Listen, one thing about the Beverly Hills Housewives, and I
Speaker 1: love them all. The show is not known for personal story.
Speaker 1: Let's have a real conversation. True, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: known for us seeing the cracks of the relationship. You
Speaker 1: and I always talk about Needing Leeks being a great
Speaker 1: housewife because she always showed you the cracks early on,
Speaker 1: right with her father. Your favorite scene in the world
Speaker 1: of Atlanta was going to Athens and her meeting her
Speaker 1: father on the park benches. You saw the cracks in
Speaker 1: her relationship with Greg unfold to where you know, you
Speaker 1: saw the hierarchy change in terms of she's the breadwinner
Speaker 1: and he's not identified anymore as a powerful man.
Speaker 2: You get to see some of these things with Belly Hills.
Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing about Belly Hills to me and I
Speaker 1: love the show, Unfortunately we get the end result and
Speaker 1: we don't get any backstory.
Speaker 2: We can't. We're filling for divorce. Hold up one fucking second.
Speaker 2: I didn't see one argument. Think about it.
Speaker 1: Of all the divorces from Beverly Hills, we were never
Speaker 1: led up to that moment occurring the way the way
Speaker 1: the way we were with Tamer Judge and her ex
Speaker 1: husband in the limo, like we we saw the build
Speaker 1: up because we saw that we was saw with Vicky
Speaker 1: a don my love bubble. My take is it was
Speaker 1: like he's a good guy. Though Vicky, we don't see
Speaker 1: that on Beverly Hills. So again to your point, when
Speaker 1: sudden has this big reaction, I want this son to
Speaker 1: explain to your point in interview, look, when it comestant drinking,
Speaker 1: that's a sense of subject for X amount of reasons
Speaker 1: or I need more. Because to see Kyle and Garcel
Speaker 1: run after her, I understood Garcel doing it because they
Speaker 1: have that friendship. The Kyle things surprised me, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's because they just left Augusta. But in Beverly and Kate,
Speaker 1: you know more about that world than me, sister, I
Speaker 1: think I'm on both side it terms of it's a
Speaker 1: bit uncouthed to leave the house.
Speaker 2: Oh, the house party.
Speaker 3: Well, but it's also uncouth to wait have someone wait
Speaker 3: forty minutes at your own party, you know. I always
Speaker 3: say it's the small things that say so much about somebody.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, like, bo Is, why are you
Speaker 3: talking to Dree? Seems to me so absolutely selfish an
Speaker 3: in her own world, like the fact that you would
Speaker 3: invite people and then not even come down because you're
Speaker 3: inherent makeup. It's like we're going, not going to the oscars.
Speaker 3: You're still in a little scene here, like what are
Speaker 3: we talking about? Although I will say I still can
Speaker 3: never forget when she's talking about PTSD from the robbery
Speaker 3: and PK is like like, get over it. Do you
Speaker 3: remember how weird that was? Too? Yeah, like if someone
Speaker 3: broke into your home with a gun and like what weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like are we on planet Zorb?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What where? How do we get back to Earth? What
Speaker 3: is happening here?
Speaker 2: Weird child? We are just getting started.
Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. So did you did
Speaker 1: you think it was hypocrisy? Because when Kyle left the
Speaker 1: Red No, it was it was Bozy Ban yeah, when
Speaker 1: Garcia garself. When Kyle left, Bowsey bent the whole pamp event,
Speaker 1: and a sudden was like, who does Kyle think she
Speaker 1: is the fucking queen? I'm paraphrasing, Yeah, but something pulled
Speaker 1: the same move Kyle clocked in.
Speaker 3: This is when it becomes a workplace comedy. They don't
Speaker 3: realize where they're in a comedy, but they're in a
Speaker 3: comedy because it's all employees pissed each other. Because why
Speaker 3: do they get to leave work like the retreat early?
Speaker 3: Why you know that's all it is. Yes, that's just
Speaker 3: power dynamics of like on the show, they don't it's
Speaker 3: not really about real friendship and feeling distant or any
Speaker 3: of that. So that's a workplace situation, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let me tell you something as a as
Speaker 1: a reality producer. Okay, when it's an ensemble show, nobody
Speaker 1: meaning a cast member does not want to feel like
Speaker 1: another cast member has one.
Speaker 2: Leg up on them.
Speaker 1: Whether that's they get to behave this way and get
Speaker 1: away with it, they get to leave early, they don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about their personal story.
Speaker 2: So when you guys see something in.
Speaker 1: The previous episodes, complain about Kyle, I hope you guys
Speaker 1: understood she wasn't complain about Kyle within the within the
Speaker 1: confinements of this quote unquote sisterhood, there was more so
Speaker 1: Kyle is the og.
Speaker 2: Why does she get away with certain things?
Speaker 1: She gets away with not explaining to us about more game,
Speaker 1: she gets.
Speaker 2: Away with leaving a party early and can take the.
Speaker 1: Because Cole admitted this that after she left, she took
Speaker 1: a few days off of work because she had to
Speaker 1: get herself together, So Suton was complaining about that. So
Speaker 1: when Sutton decided to give Kyle a taste of her
Speaker 1: own medicine by leaving, I did find it strange that Again,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Sudden when she was texting somebody my
Speaker 1: belief could this happens to me when I was a
Speaker 1: showrunner on Housewives. She's texting the producers allegedly like I'm
Speaker 1: out of here and don't fucking stop me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Kate's right. It's a power dynamic. And what you
Speaker 1: guys aren't seeing that I can explain to you is
Speaker 1: the barbecue had nothing to do with how much Baka
Speaker 1: Sudden had her cup and had everything to do with
Speaker 1: the power dynamics of how these women feel about each other,
Speaker 1: and that's the reason to me why they slightly broke
Speaker 1: the fourth wall and Kate, I can't wait to get
Speaker 1: the thoughts on it, because I know you caught it
Speaker 1: too when Kyle and Garcil was chastised by Bows and
Speaker 1: they gave it back to her and they started talking
Speaker 1: about like, why are you her mouthpiece? Why why all
Speaker 1: of a sudden are you standing up for her? That conversation, guys,
Speaker 1: was about the alliance that they all have and they're
Speaker 1: finally addressing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely without a question, you know. Coupled with that,
Speaker 3: I have a question for you because I was thinking
Speaker 3: about this when these cast members join these shows, because
Speaker 3: you have the privilege of meeting them oftentimes before their
Speaker 3: first season or even like in their early seasons, and
Speaker 3: then you see them kind of transform into different people
Speaker 3: the longer they are on. Are there any actual cast
Speaker 3: members that do have introspection after watching themselves on a show,
Speaker 3: or do you find that they get more and more selfish?
Speaker 3: Because what we're asking for as an audience member and
Speaker 3: a lot of the scenes is for someone to have
Speaker 3: a moment while they're filming to go, wait, you know,
Speaker 3: I am being ridiculous, or at a reunion saying I
Speaker 3: watched that scene back and I realized how absurd I
Speaker 3: was being, or how I had not really given that
Speaker 3: person the benefit of the doubt. When I watch scenes
Speaker 3: like that, the one that you just mentioned, it seems
Speaker 3: like they're getting exponentially more selfish and in their own minds,
Speaker 3: it almost seems impossible for them to have a level
Speaker 3: headed conversation. So my question again is do you find
Speaker 3: that people who join these ensemble shows do they become
Speaker 3: exponentially more selfish and less introspective as time goes on,
Speaker 3: or is there are there exceptions to the rule where
Speaker 3: there are actually cast members that go, yeah, what was
Speaker 3: I thinking?
Speaker 1: It's rare to have a cast and saying, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I looked at myself. I I look crazy. It's on
Speaker 1: me it listen. Unfortunately it's rare. What happens is they
Speaker 1: blame editing and it's like, okay, so we put words
Speaker 1: in your mouth, or like, we really have so much
Speaker 1: time on our hands to sit back and say, how
Speaker 1: can we make this scene so interesting that this person
Speaker 1: can be seen as a villain and this other person
Speaker 1: to be seen as the victim. Nobody has that time
Speaker 1: to do that, so like, I want to start there
Speaker 1: with you. It is rare, unfortunately, for a reality star
Speaker 1: to have a little bit of introspective.
Speaker 2: Moment of saying I look crazy or that was the
Speaker 2: nicest moment. It is rare. Does it happen? Sure? Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: What happens more is they don't double down on.
Speaker 2: It the next season. What they do they become a recluse.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why you start to see reality
Speaker 1: stars play up to the cameras for the fans. I've
Speaker 1: said this once, and I'll say it again, and you
Speaker 1: and I should do a separate episode about this. Social
Speaker 1: media has ruined the reality star for sure, because they're
Speaker 1: afraid to say anything and fear of getting canceled. They're
Speaker 1: afraid to say anything in the fears of having a
Speaker 1: TSUNONYMI of negative comments.
Speaker 2: One of my examples will always be Diana Jenkins.
Speaker 1: Who was on the show two seasons ago, who I
Speaker 1: felt like was being her authentic self, which at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's all we could ask for,
Speaker 1: whether or not you liked her agree with her, that's
Speaker 1: why we're here. We're here to watch these episodes and
Speaker 1: judge them based on the episode. We're not supposed to
Speaker 1: judge their behavior outside of the show, because I don't
Speaker 1: give a shit.
Speaker 2: I care about what habits on the show.
Speaker 1: She is somebody who Obviously I've never seen this any
Speaker 1: for any housewife.
Speaker 2: The way Diana Jenkins was.
Speaker 1: Negatively bullied by social media, I've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: that for any housewife.
Speaker 2: I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 1: A lot of these housewives and reality starts are afraid
Speaker 1: of that happening to them, and that's the reason why
Speaker 1: you see them being safer. Duri is an example of
Speaker 1: somebody who I love the first two seasons because she
Speaker 1: was herself. Whether you liked or not, she was herself.
Speaker 1: She got negative comments and I felt like she became
Speaker 1: a recluse, and now she's getting her power.
Speaker 2: Back, and that's the real dey we're seeing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the real deate we're saying.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's the real side of her.
Speaker 1: As it relates to her being fed up, I think
Speaker 1: she yeah, how she she's Derey has realized this in
Speaker 1: my opinion, as I'm watching her, I need this job.
Speaker 1: I'm going through divorce. I will be a single mom
Speaker 1: of two kids. I lived a certain lifestyle. I can't
Speaker 1: go all the way backwards. Dart is like, these women
Speaker 1: aren't really my friends. So I'm going to just be
Speaker 1: brutally honest. I'm not gonna play it safe anymore, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cast shit out as I think it as
Speaker 1: I think it. That comment with about something there last
Speaker 1: season would have thought it but never said it.
Speaker 2: Derie is now saying things how she.
Speaker 1: Feels in the moment, and she's unapologetic about it. Now
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bows defending her, I want to
Speaker 1: get to thoughts on this. I feel like they're all
Speaker 1: mouthpieces for each other. I Likeell his mouthpiece, Bows is
Speaker 1: dereyed and and and Taddy Mellercount was Kyne.
Speaker 2: They all had it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why. And then Lisa Renda was Erica James.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's not act like this mouthpiece is new
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 3: Yep. Well also, and circling back to your original question
Speaker 3: about that moment where you know someone's running out and
Speaker 3: then you know, to your point that obvious alliances on
Speaker 3: the other side of it, you side of it, the
Speaker 3: crew side of it. What are the messages, what are
Speaker 3: the conversations that you know you're being pulled aside because
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's like, why aren't you showing Why aren't
Speaker 3: you showing that side of her? Because the burden is
Speaker 3: on your team because you have seven stories you're trying
Speaker 3: to tell and how they weave together. But then they
Speaker 3: become less in the moment and trying to understand and
Speaker 3: connect with one another, and they're so in their head
Speaker 3: about the mechanics of the game, which is the alliances
Speaker 3: and how much camera time and why does she get
Speaker 3: to leave and I can't? And how much am I
Speaker 3: being compensated if I have to be here longer? So
Speaker 3: what are you experiencing on that other side? Are you
Speaker 3: getting the text in the middle of a scene, like
Speaker 3: does someone go into the bathroom with their phone and say,
Speaker 3: this is straight bullshit? She's about to leave when you
Speaker 3: didn't let me do that and I I'm not going
Speaker 3: to stay right.
Speaker 1: Yes, you'll you you will get a text message, you'll
Speaker 1: get a phone call. The funny thing about being a
Speaker 1: reality TV producer, and this is back in the day
Speaker 1: when I was a we call it a field showrunner.
Speaker 1: So for my audience, it's when you're an executive producer.
Speaker 1: You're the showrunner and you're in the trenches like you're
Speaker 1: on set for the for the for five months. I
Speaker 1: obviously have graduated from that because I have a company,
Speaker 1: so I have a team who do that.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I love you, thank you, baby.
Speaker 1: But my experience as a showrunner on these shows, you
Speaker 1: bet your ass. If a reality start leaves and she
Speaker 1: is able to go home, oh honey, you would not
Speaker 1: hear the last of it. These reality stars keep score,
Speaker 1: are bad and.
Speaker 2: They notice everything.
Speaker 1: They'll notice if Carlos King is talking to one five
Speaker 1: minutes longer than somebody else, why does she get all
Speaker 1: your time and attention. I'm like, well, she had a
Speaker 1: question that require a longer response. They noticed everything. They
Speaker 1: do not want you to treat them differently. They do
Speaker 1: not want any and let's be clear they they're right
Speaker 1: about that. Producers should not treat cast members within favoritism.
Speaker 1: Right now, there are cast members who need more attention, right,
Speaker 1: you know, based on what they're going through. Right I'll
Speaker 1: give you an example when Nini Leaks was going through
Speaker 1: her divorce from Greg Leaks. This was during season four
Speaker 1: and I was needing Leek's producer Kim Zoziak's producer and
Speaker 1: Charas so hints me in therapy.
Speaker 2: Okay, that is just that's one book.
Speaker 3: That's one book.
Speaker 1: That's my book, the Trifecta and me being responsible for
Speaker 1: them as a producer.
Speaker 2: Wow, Nini was going through divorce that season. Nini needed
Speaker 2: me more. So I was there for her more.
Speaker 1: I remember constantly having to, like after a scene, stay
Speaker 1: with her at her house and like sit with her
Speaker 1: in her bedroom and just talk because because she needed
Speaker 1: had a tough day. Whereas Charae was fine, like Sharay
Speaker 1: had a great season that season.
Speaker 2: She was funny and she didn't need me as much.
Speaker 1: But you have to understand that they're all watching that
Speaker 1: and what the good thing with me is I've always
Speaker 1: was able to explain, like, girl, she needs me more.
Speaker 2: You know what she's going through. Okay, got it.
Speaker 1: But if it's something so minuscule like I'm leaving because
Speaker 1: she pretty much said I had a drink, that's the
Speaker 1: ship that they don't like. And I appreciate this is me.
Speaker 1: I appreciate bows. In my opinion, bo saw that Okay,
Speaker 1: this can blow up.
Speaker 2: In terms of a higher situation and favoritism.
Speaker 1: Let me make this about is the retome because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, these girls don't see it
Speaker 1: that way because they're filming. It's like camera crews, right,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't look at this as I'm in
Speaker 1: this woman's home. Is too many production crew members around.
Speaker 3: Also, Boz has worked in corporate America. Yes, so she
Speaker 3: has managed people. So this is another element that's fascinating.
Speaker 3: But if we just froze that scene for a minute,
Speaker 3: just freeze, freeze all the players, okay, and then the
Speaker 3: camera would pan out.
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: Would I see a producer in the foyer or in
Speaker 3: the driveway or on the front porch with one of
Speaker 3: the cast members going you better get your ass back inside?
Speaker 3: And would I also see a cast member or maybe
Speaker 3: I'm just imagining this is what I would do outside,
Speaker 3: maybe outside of the house at the window, gesticulating to
Speaker 3: a producer like this shit is not working. I want
Speaker 3: to go like, is that the stuff that's happening on
Speaker 3: the periphery? Uh huh yeah, okay, so okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the show I want.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the show I love. That's the real show.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what I would have done. This
Speaker 1: is what Carlos King, as a former showrunner, would have
Speaker 1: done in this in this case, and this is a
Speaker 1: true story, and I will tell you one story of
Speaker 1: pod I did.
Speaker 2: It to in a scene on on Jersey.
Speaker 1: I'll tell your Jersey s Okay, that's a good example.
Speaker 1: If I was a field showrunner on Beverly Hills Housewife
Speaker 1: and I saw Sutton get up because she was mad
Speaker 1: that dymade a comment about her drinking, right, which to
Speaker 1: me isn't the the It's not the most hurtful negative
Speaker 1: thing to say that. That is like explosive. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: But I'm not, of course diminishing how Sutton feels. Right,
Speaker 1: this is just me watching the show. If I was
Speaker 1: there and something it's like, I'm leaving, I Carlos would
Speaker 1: have said, while something was hiding near the bathroom, did
Speaker 1: you peep that, I, as a producer, would have more
Speaker 1: than likely been in the bathroom and said, come here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's wrong?
Speaker 2: I would have said something. Is it that deep? If
Speaker 2: it is, tell me.
Speaker 1: I just think you're able to articulate yourself and explain
Speaker 1: to her, because again, my audience sudden, they're not going.
Speaker 2: To understand unless you explain it to us.
Speaker 1: How about you do this, how about you say I'm leaving,
Speaker 1: but before I leave, let me explain to you why
Speaker 1: I'm upset and why I need to get out of here.
Speaker 2: I would have done that, like explain it to her,
Speaker 2: can you give me that?
Speaker 1: And ten times out of ten she would have right,
Speaker 1: because because again a reality star would say, I'm just
Speaker 1: being honest.
Speaker 2: Here, two things would have happened.
Speaker 1: She would have said, Okay, that makes sense, and number two, okay, good,
Speaker 1: I'll look good. I'll look good to the audience. I'm
Speaker 1: just being honest.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now my example on Jersey, Okay.
Speaker 2: That infamous scene.
Speaker 1: Season two, the country club, Danielle, Jacqueline, Teresa.
Speaker 2: Yep, this is when Danielle got chasing the country club.
Speaker 1: They're at this plash fashion show. Right, it's the first
Speaker 1: time in the season that Danielle staalb, Jacquelin Laarreta and
Speaker 1: Teresa July's are the same room.
Speaker 3: And by the way, those fashion shows, I kept thinking, now,
Speaker 3: especially as I get older, the madness of the crew,
Speaker 3: because it's so wild. And then you have Kim, who
Speaker 3: is I don't know, she's sort of like a friend
Speaker 3: of the show.
Speaker 2: She's a friend.
Speaker 3: He's in the middle of it, and you're trying to
Speaker 3: get everyone's point of view. That just seemed like complete madness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So again to your point, we're filming this for two
Speaker 1: hours because of the madness you just described. The fascist
Speaker 1: Show's over with and Teresa's like, did you like it?
Speaker 1: I said, the fast show is fine? I said, would
Speaker 1: you like to talk to Danielle? And she said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, Carlos, I actually do.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, I actually do. Because let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. I'm just being honest here.
Speaker 1: Teresa Judas is one of the best reality stars I
Speaker 1: have ever worked with.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 3: Does she easy to work with?
Speaker 1: Teresa Judais is one of the easiest women to work with.
Speaker 2: She gets it and she lives for reality.
Speaker 1: So she's because the thing Teresa new, Let's let's have
Speaker 1: a real conversation, Kate. This is Teresa's second season, so obviously,
Speaker 1: first season she flipped the table.
Speaker 3: It could have changed since then, though she may have.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna say, based from my experience, right first season,
Speaker 1: she's the face of the show.
Speaker 2: After finale, she flipped the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Teresa obviously got Harold did and people loved her,
Speaker 1: so she gets it.
Speaker 2: Second season, She's like, let's keep this train moving, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like like.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm on the magazines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Teresa understood Danielle's here and we're not going to
Speaker 1: talk to each other.
Speaker 2: And I said, Teresa, talk to her. Do you want to?
Speaker 2: She said yes. I said, we'll talk to her.
Speaker 1: Where is she? Carlos my producers say to me, she's
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. I said, okay, there's there's a chair
Speaker 1: by the bathroom. Talk to her where she comes out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So that's why when you watch an episode, you see
Speaker 1: her Theresa casually sitting by the bathroom just waiting because
Speaker 1: she's like, I want to talk to her.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, talk to her. Did and listen to
Speaker 2: Danielle stops credit. This is why I missed the old
Speaker 2: days of reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they all understood, like, we're not going to
Speaker 1: be at this. It's the first we all got it.
Speaker 1: That's why Danielle said. Daniell could have easily said I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. Danielle understood with Teresa
Speaker 1: said hi, Danielle goes, you're talking to.
Speaker 3: Me and yeah, yeah, but that feels like it's becoming
Speaker 3: more and more impossible.
Speaker 1: It's because social media. A lot of the reality starts today.
Speaker 1: They play up to their fans. Yeah, and they don't want.
Speaker 2: To be real. They want to be strategic.
Speaker 1: It's strategic and that's why that's why Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: is so fascinating to watch, because I think those women
Speaker 1: are like we Those women get it. They just get it.
Speaker 1: They get it. So I would have done that with suthing.
Speaker 1: What did you think though about this whole conversation because
Speaker 1: the deepness between Dewy and Kyle towards the end of
Speaker 1: the episode, right Derey obviously doubled down on Kyle, saying
Speaker 1: that she doesn't know anything that is going on in
Speaker 1: her life right now. Kyle think its defensive and says,
Speaker 1: you all know I'm separated, but I feel like we
Speaker 1: need more, and I feel like Durit is like I
Speaker 1: I want more, and yeah, it's just it's I love
Speaker 1: Kyle's with my favorite housewife. I think Kyle's having a season,
Speaker 1: a challenging season because the audience wants more and we're
Speaker 1: not getting it, Kate, We're just not getting it.
Speaker 3: I listen. I don't know her personally, but I can
Speaker 3: definitely look at footage and make my own assumptions, but
Speaker 3: I think a couple of things. I don't think she
Speaker 3: and Durrey were ever very close. I think it was
Speaker 3: like a show relationship. Yeah, And I feel like Derrey
Speaker 3: has this suspended belief that at some point in time
Speaker 3: they were very deep, close friends. But that speaks to
Speaker 3: so much to me of the relationships that duri has
Speaker 3: in her life, which are probably a lot of Durrete
Speaker 3: talks and somebody else is sitting in the same room.
Speaker 3: I think that Durret or excuse me, I think that
Speaker 3: Kyle and PK were far closer friends because PK would
Speaker 3: be at their house all the time, probably complained a
Speaker 3: lot about Dreet and their marriage and their finances and
Speaker 3: things going on. And I think Kyle knows too much,
Speaker 3: and when you know too much, you can't unsee things
Speaker 3: or unhear things. So I feel like those scenes where
Speaker 3: it's like, are we friends, I don't think they were
Speaker 3: ever particularly close, and I don't think there's any chance
Speaker 3: for that now because Kyle knows too much, and I
Speaker 3: think when she says throughout the season, I don't know
Speaker 3: who you are anymore, I think it's because she's used
Speaker 3: to Durete just sort of like shuffling her feet behind,
Speaker 3: not really saying anything, and she's sort of like, oh,
Speaker 3: now you're a TV star, Like, wait, what's going on.
Speaker 3: I think that Kyle personally probably is in this very
Speaker 3: weird vortex because she's been married all this time. I
Speaker 3: would assume it's hard to get divorced when you've been
Speaker 3: married that long and you have that much financial connection. Yes,
Speaker 3: so she's probably trying to unravel that, the fact that
Speaker 3: he's probably dating and dating younger women, which is a
Speaker 3: whole head trip. Right. She's lost her best friend who
Speaker 3: died by suicide, which will take an infinitement amount of
Speaker 3: time to walk through grief. She's got daughters that are older,
Speaker 3: and we've seen and seenes they're very connected to their father.
Speaker 3: The blessing, by the way of Mauricio's show on Netflix
Speaker 3: was to see his point of view of his life,
Speaker 3: and he's super connected with the daughters. I don't think
Speaker 3: I would have known that had I not seen that show,
Speaker 3: because that's not really shown on Beverly Hills. So she's
Speaker 3: also like struggling with now they know they all work
Speaker 3: with him, they all want to spend time together. Where
Speaker 3: am I in this family? I'm on the outs. I
Speaker 3: think she's struggle because she has some sort of relationship
Speaker 3: with Morgan. I don't know if it's either like a
Speaker 3: friendship or romantic, but it seems to me that Morgan
Speaker 3: does not really want her to discuss her at all
Speaker 3: on the show, obviously, and she feels like, this is
Speaker 3: a big part of my life and I'm not able
Speaker 3: to discuss it, and I am I've got a responsibility
Speaker 3: to the producers to be have a certain openness on
Speaker 3: the show that I really can't do. Am I supposed
Speaker 3: to do this show anymore? But she may need the
Speaker 3: show for her own career or financial setup, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I think these are all the moving parts that are
Speaker 3: going on in the background and why we're frustrated because
Speaker 3: I don't think she wants to be honest about a
Speaker 3: lot of that. But the reality is if she were,
Speaker 3: I think people would be more empathetic.
Speaker 1: Listen, the reason why we about you loved or hated her, right,
Speaker 1: Monica Garcia, the moment you saw the dynamic with her mom, Yeah, true,
Speaker 1: and she was open about it. You were like, okay,
Speaker 1: got it. Even when you think about someone. I want
Speaker 1: to give one more example, Giselle Bryant. When you saw
Speaker 1: when you see her relationship with her daughters, it gives
Speaker 1: you a different point of view of her. You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there is a softness there the way she loved her dad.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You see it that, Kyle, I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think Kyle wants to do it. I think when it
Speaker 1: comes to Morgan, I agree with you too. I think
Speaker 1: Morgan said to her, this is too much for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and respectfully, Kyle's like, you know, sign up to be
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: I think Kyle and Mauricio, because I watched Buying Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills two on Netflix, I think they both set each
Speaker 1: other down and said, this is we have to be
Speaker 1: on the same page.
Speaker 2: What we're going to tell the audience. Yeah, and they're
Speaker 2: not going to give us any more than that.
Speaker 1: Like ever, and I think Yle knows that this show
Speaker 1: has been her second win in her forties when the
Speaker 1: show FIRS happened, and she is arguably the face of
Speaker 1: Billy Hills and she's NBC's darling right, she does Peacock Movies, Halloween.
Speaker 1: I think in Cole's defense, she wants to, but there's
Speaker 1: two people in her life that she made a commitment
Speaker 1: to and unfortunately she's unable.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, Kate, at the end of
Speaker 1: this episode, we see the comic attraction of Mauricio kissing
Speaker 1: another woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you think? Where do you think? Excuse me?
Speaker 2: Things are going to end up from here now for
Speaker 2: the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, first of all, I think that
Speaker 3: there is a part of Kyle that really wishes she
Speaker 3: still were with Mauricio because she loves the family unit
Speaker 3: and she feels like she's let I think she's a
Speaker 3: people pleaser. I think she's even admitted to it where
Speaker 3: she feels guilty, and that's the burden of a reality star.
Speaker 3: I mean, Craig and Page probably feel this too, like
Speaker 3: where people see you as this couple and she feels
Speaker 3: like she's let people down in addition to her own family.
Speaker 3: But I think there's too much damage there, and when
Speaker 3: you're married that long and your finances are co mingled,
Speaker 3: I think she's stuck in limbo. And I think if
Speaker 3: she were more honest about that, people would really get
Speaker 3: that like I'm stuck. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: So I feel like she's sort of on her own island.
Speaker 3: So I can't expect, I think, the rest of the
Speaker 3: episodes to see any moment of like real and deep
Speaker 3: connection because I think she's just so closed off from
Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, bos, I just think it's hard for
Speaker 3: me to understand how she has the capacity to be
Speaker 3: so patient with dreycause I feel like Git lives on
Speaker 3: her own planet right and bos seems so like down
Speaker 3: to earth and grounded and has so much more life
Speaker 3: perspective because she worked in corporate America too. That I'm
Speaker 3: just waiting for the moment where Boz is like, I
Speaker 3: can't listen to this anymore. I cannot listen to this anymore.
Speaker 3: I would love to hear a conversation between Garcel and
Speaker 3: Sutton about what happened in Augusta and that means how
Speaker 3: that made Garcel feel like I really would love that,
Speaker 3: And then Erica, I feel like I do like the
Speaker 3: moments where she seems to offer some like some like
Speaker 3: tell it like it is moments, but I still want
Speaker 3: to know what's going on in her life, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, like what's happening with the lawsuits, Like,
Speaker 3: how do you feel do you feel incredible pressure? Do
Speaker 3: you feel like you've lost connection with people because of it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I think I would like to see more deeper stuff,
Speaker 3: but I have to say my favorite thing still is
Speaker 3: when we get to meet people's parents, because I feel
Speaker 3: like Origin tell me so much about somebody. The last
Speaker 3: part of the Origin story with Sutton is that I
Speaker 3: found it hilarious how much she complained about her mother
Speaker 3: when there are so many characteristics that are exactly the same.
Speaker 3: In many ways, she's like a watered down version of
Speaker 3: her mother. She's she's got zero filter. She can say
Speaker 3: things that are very hurtful, Like there's so many things
Speaker 3: where I'm like, girl, it's you. It just reminded me
Speaker 3: of the Heather du Bro episode when we met her mom. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: wonder Heather feels like this all the time. And like
Speaker 3: Heather and Sutton said something similar, which I feel like
Speaker 3: is so common for a lot of people. Probably with
Speaker 3: your parents too, where you complained about your parent and
Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, but that's what I was raised with.
Speaker 3: And it's very hard to untangle things that you saw
Speaker 3: as a child. And we tend to like duplicate things.
Speaker 3: We'll water down versions of her parents.
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