WEBVTT - All of the SUTTON, she was gone! RHOBH Recap with Kate Casey 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:05.120 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.920 the King of Reality TV and one of the most 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:12.559 sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.680 years of production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.159 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:24.560 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:29.600 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:31.120 Hey, rain drops. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.080 On today's episode of Reality of the King, my girlfriend 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.000 is back, my sister from another mister. I love it 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.520 when she's on. You guys loving when she's on. She's 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.480 everywhere my love. Give it up for the amazing punt 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.080 intended Kate Kasey. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.559 Hello, I'm so fired enough, ready to talk, so excited. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.840 Should we just die right in? Because I felt like, well, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:58.160 let me just start here. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.880 Obviously, we're gonna recap the latest episode of The Real 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.479 Housewives Ability Hills. You and I have the best spirited 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.960 conversations because sometimes we're aligne sometimes we're not, But at 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.319 the end of the day, it's the best conversation ever. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.960 I really enjoyed this episode, you did. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.400 I enjoyed the I think the previous one. More, Okay, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.200 that was more in my style, where it's just like 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.560 you get to go to someone's house and you meet 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.760 their weird parents and then you figure out, like why 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.640 they're such a weirdo. I love that more. This episode 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.080 felt to me like I also like it, but not 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.640 as much. This is like almost like a workplace comedy. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.720 They don't realize they're in it, but it's a workplace comedy. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.840 Yes, it's like the Office or something. Yes it is. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.920 Oh god, why is his name? I'll have a brave part. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.320 The lead actor Kate from The Offense. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:02:00.960 Oh, Michael Scott, No, that's the character. Oh well yes, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.320 but yeah, the actor Steve Carell. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.559 Thank you, Kate, Steve Carell. Sutton is Steve Carell. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.919 She's She's definitely not most observant of oneself, that's for sure. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.960 Yes, it was fascinating, but let's just get right into it, 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.520 because the beginning of this episode obviously is the continuation 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:26.440 of the previous where Sutton is an Augusta Georgia and 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.640 I along with you, I want to say, me and 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.960 you do agree on this, Like, Sutton is obviously a 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.919 very interesting character on the show. We don't get a 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.280 chance to see her children because her husband unfortunately won't 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.600 sign off for the kids to be on the show. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.919 But wait a minute, aren't they over eighteen? 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.040 Are all of them over eighteen or the some of. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.639 Them at least two are? 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:54.960 So are they just not interested? 0:02:55.560 --> 0:03:01.000 Probably? I think the daughter may be graduating from college. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.200 I think I read that she's going to go to 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.000 law school or wants to go to law school, so 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.800 she might be like, this is not my vibe. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.080 Yeah, yeah, no. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.640 And I think the other goes to maybe the Citadel. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.720 I think he's in a military academy. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.560 Oh Wowow do you have to say, I do look 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.840 at someone's kids and and if they're as you know, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.880 as successful. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.200 As they seem, you do have to give it to 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.320 some and then her ex husband. I mean, they do 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.639 seem to have raised successful kids maybe and maybe wise 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.720 for them to, you know, keep off the show to 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.840 maintain their anonymity. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.040 Similar to but it sucks for us. 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.040 But it sucks for us. I know Erica Jane too. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.000 You have to say, props her. She seems to have 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.680 raised a very successful you know. I was just say, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:56.480 they all kind of seem to have raised really nice kids. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.200 Are good, Yeah, even like Mauricio and Kyle great parents, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:01.920 the kids are great. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:08.920 Yeah. Grsel seems like a really present, about understanding, empathetic mother, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.360 So props to them. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.840 Yes, what are your thoughts, Ariba, I want to get 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:14.520 your thoughts. 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.320 Oh, a lot, a lot, I have a lot start. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:23.840 Definitely a product of her generation. She even says it, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.120 and I when she said it, I kept thinking about 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.719 my own relatives. I think that women that are well women. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 I think both men and women that were born to 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.480 parents that were in the war or out of the 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:41.279 war are much more cold and detached because that was 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.280 how they were raised. They were not coddled. It was 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.000 very much like keep like my own mother would say. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.520 If I ever cry about anything, my mom says, there 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.640 are other people have more problems in the world. Keep 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.760 your chin up, keep moving. And I think that Sutton 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.960 was born in a home like that. I also think 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:04.200 Reba's interesting because she's a therapist. Sometimes I find therapists 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.919 are interesting characters because they're so great with their own clients, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.960 but not so much with their own kids. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.720 Like kn' is still a bastard and her mother exactly. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.840 And then the added component of Reba's definitely in deep 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.279 grief because of what happened with her husband. I think 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:28.919 that she is confused by her daughter because her daughter seemingly, 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.920 I think, in her eyes, has had a great life. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.360 She had every opportunity in the world, was a successful, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:41.560 successful ballet dancer, was married to someone with an abundance 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.679 of money and resources, and lives a very nice life. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.680 And she what I got from her was like, what 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:53.600 are you complaining about all of those things? And she's 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.200 a woman of a certain generation in the South, so 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:02.919 the scenes that she has with Garcel are are so jarring. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.880 She is so dismissive of Garcel, like that one scene 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.279 where she's sort of dismissive of her and then Kyle 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.560 walks in and she's commenting on her beauty. Yeah, very 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:14.920 painful to watch. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.160 Yes, it was painful for me to watch. Listen. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.840 Riba is a woman that obviously grew up in an 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.640 era where it was in the South, no less right 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:27.920 where it appears. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.800 And I'm not going to call her names because. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.680 We're not here to do that, but it doesn't appear 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.960 that she may not have had the best interactions with 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:40.480 people who are black, right, And it was jarring for 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.159 me as a black person to watch it because I 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.000 was sort of like, I felt uncomfortable watching it, and 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.279 I felt uncomfortable for Garcel because to me, I felt 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.520 like Garcel was trying so hard, so hard to have 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.440 a connection with her, and Riba just wasn't here for it. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.240 She just wasn't here for it, even saying to her 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:06.240 when Garcella is like, look, your daughter wants you to 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.320 say you're proud of her, and she's like, well, I 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:10.400 don't think that's any of. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.080 Your business, and look, it may not be. It may 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:14.120 not be, but. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.520 I also think there's a way of telling somebody to 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.720 mind your business that didn't seem so hard. I just 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.680 felt like that was one example in addition to tons 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.280 of examples in her treatment towards Garcel and what I 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.440 will hope to happen at the. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.520 Reunion and this is me just being honest. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:39.160 Garcel has talked about Dere's microaggressions. I need for Garcela 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.320 to talk about Rebus and if that's not brought up, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.840 it's it's going to be an issue. Because when it 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:54.320 came to Dorry saying all Garcila, you're attacking me. The 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.240 line was divided in terms of whether people thought it 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.160 was microaggressions or at the end of the day, the 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:03.040 reasonal reality show with women and housewives attack each other 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.160 what Riba was displaying to me and to the world. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.200 And it's funny because. 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.640 A lot of my white friends text me and said, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.440 I just want you to know I feel uncomfortable watching 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.480 this right. So my hope is that Garcell can talk 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:26.200 about dreads microaggression is that she said she had we 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:27.560 have to address ribus. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:33.240 So I wondered too if there was some sort of 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.120 interview that they did with Sutton where they asked her 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.920 about that, how her mother was kind of cold, not 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.120 kind of absolutely cold to Garcel, how that made her feel. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.120 And I wonder if they didn't include it. I would 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.880 be shocked that they wouldn't ask her about that. I mean, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.920 it is so obvious. Why why would you not? That's 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.439 like the first question I would have, like, where was that? 0:08:58.840 --> 0:08:59.440 Do you know this? 0:08:59.600 --> 0:08:59.800 Kate? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:06.200 On the after show, Sudden revealed that Riba returned the 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.320 gift back to Garcel. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:10.240 Did you know that? 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.400 I did not know that. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.960 So the spark that she gave Riba, Riba returned it 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:17.120 back to Garcel. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.160 I want, like, is Sudden afraid of her mother? Could 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.440 can't she say something to her like this is one 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.079 of my closest friends. How dare you disrespect her in 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.600 my home? Nonetheless, is she like afraid of her? Is 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:32.400 that what's going on? 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.640 It appears to me that this not to be a psychiatrist, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.839 because I'm not. But one thing I was told and 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.600 I would love to get your insight because you have 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.760 five beautiful children and I. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:46.800 Want to get your thoughts on this. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.560 A woman once told me that a girl's first bully 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:52.240 is her mother. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.000 It's in some cases, right, huh. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:00.480 It appears to me that because Sutton was also to 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.880 her dad, possibly there could have been some jealousy there 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.240 with Sutton and her mother. Not and listen, I'm not 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.360 blaming Sutton at all, because a child should not should 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.800 not be blamed for how their parents treat them because 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.000 the child was did not ask to be brought to 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.000 the world read. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.360 But it is very cold to Sutton. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.280 And like you said earlier, your mother was like, girl, 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.800 wipe them tears. There's other people who have bigger problems, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.199 and I think that's okay to no. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.960 I see, I see my mother and Reba trust me 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:34.040 all you do? 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:34.880 Oh? 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.800 Yeah, that is that's how I was raised with somebody 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.600 who is very cold and detached, extremely cold and detached. Yes. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.880 What is her advice then to Sutton as as an 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:50.000 adult woman who is now, you know, a mother and 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.520 was able to you know, have children and maybe look 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.280 at some of what your mother did to you as 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:57.319 a way of saying, well. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.080 I'm going to be different. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:02.520 Well, you can't ask some money who is devoid of 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:07.840 interest and introspection to suddenly gain some It's impossible. The 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.400 only thing you can do is set your own boundaries. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.760 So you need to say, you know, in my home 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.080 you will not do the following. This is not acceptable 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.959 to me. But you can't expect her to suddenly have 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.080 some introspection and insight because it's it's just never going 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:24.600 to be there. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.679 Yeah. Yeah, and that that appeared to be evidema. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.480 Look at the very end, she she told her daughter, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.360 I love you, with the resounding applause from Cogre and 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:41.480 Garsel and listen for me. I appreciate the fact we 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.920 were able to go to Augusta because I strongly believe 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.480 that we're eating reality star if you want to understand them, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.960 and I and I felt it was very hard to 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.800 connect to and as a viewer because we don't see 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.960 her children, we don't see her ex husband, we don't 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.400 see a sibling, we don't see a family member. So 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.440 we finally got a chance to see Riba, and I 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.960 think after seeing that, I'm not able to understand a 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.600 lot about Sutton. I had a chance to meet her recently. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.320 She was lovely, very kind, very nice, but I always 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.600 felt that as a viewer it was just hard to 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.400 connect to her because there wasn't enough to deal with. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.560 And I'll ended with this, Kate. It reminded me of 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.880 how Kenya Moore Atlanta Housewife as Harold did us like 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.000 the best villain that Alance has ever seen. And that 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.280 season we went to Detroit and we went to her 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.960 mother's home right and Kenya knocked on the door and 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.199 we heard her mother say lock the door. And that 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.600 that scene, one hundred percent of the audience said, I 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.080 now understand Kenya. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.599 I actually have always felt a real connection to Kenya 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:57.840 because there is something that is deeply painful about the 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.040 rejection of a parent for me as my father, but 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:07.080 for her to go into pageants was her way of 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.640 This is the part that I absolutely related to and 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.080 I think a lot of people do. When you have 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.439 a parent that is dismissive abandons you, sometimes you go 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.280 on the other side of the coin where you try 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.560 to have incredible success because you're chasing the acknowledgment of 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.760 a parent that never will give it to you. You 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:29.719 just won't. And that way, I think that there is 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.280 a common thread with Kenya and Sutton. Sutton's never going 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.880 to get the acknowledgment that she wants. The one thing 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.800 I did think was in her own small way, was 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:47.760 that her act of like an act of her own 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:52.400 empowerment to have them come to Augusta the camera crew, 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.960 but being selective with just two women, so instead of 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:02.960 having the total ensemble cast. Her relationship with Garcel and 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.920 Garcel having time with Reeba may have been fewer and 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.800 far between, but was that her like an active defiance 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.880 against her mother too, Like I need you to spend 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.640 time with this very close friend of mine. I don't know. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.080 Listen, I I can pick up what you're dropping. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.800 I think it was I have a friend, she's black, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.160 she's successful. I really like her, and I want you 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.720 to spend time with her. Because I never thought about that. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.120 That's why I love having you on. I think Kyle 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.760 coming along with listen, I always thought it was weird, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.280 like you guys aren't that close, So Kyle coming I 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.760 always thought was weird. But I think Kyle was used 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.200 as a buffer to make her mother feel more comfortable, 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:51.240 like I'm going to bring my black friend and I'll 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.120 bring my white friend, so that there seems to be 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.800 some balance. I do agree with that one thousand percent. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.520 I think Son was very, very a thought acol in 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.920 her attempt to try to get her mother to really 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:11.400 see her life. And look, I think I wonder if 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.520 Someding regrets having her mother on the show. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.840 Because I'm not the only person saying this, You're not. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.560 Everybody is saying like, look, Reba appears to have a 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.040 lot of things she needs to work on when it 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:25.840 comes to the way she treats people. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.760 And she's a therapist. You know, I have a relative 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.600 who is a priest, coldest person I've ever met in 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.760 my entire life. That is always what shocks me, Like, 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.040 if you're not an empathetic person, why are you a therapist? 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:53.440 Why someone hating children and being a teacher? What huh? 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:54.400 Am missing something? 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.720 But I never thought about that because I think people 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.680 are listen. I'm glad you're reminding me. Is a therapist? 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.640 Yeah, but Riba needs to see needs to see a therapist. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.840 But I think they typically do. They typically do. I 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.440 only know this because I watched a show about therapists, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.920 and they typically do. I would love to know who 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.240 all of her clients are. To her clients all look 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:22.400 like one kind of person. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.120 Mm hmmm mm hmm. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:30.200 I think so if you can be so cold to 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.880 your daughter's friend who was nothing but lovely, lovely, and 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:41.240 then to add insult to injury, you return the gift. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.000 It's a scarf. I mean, it wasn't like it was like. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.640 This, like so rude about it, like what am I 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.400 going to do with this? 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.080 It was like a liberachi, you know, sort of like 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.000 artwork that that's a little bit like, of course, like 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:57.040 not her taste. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.520 It's a scarf that. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.840 Obviously give to your cleaning lady, give it like give 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.480 it to the mailman. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.760 But to listen, I'm gonna move on from it. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.000 There's a message to me that was sent by her 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.800 returning it back to Garcel. I think I think that 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.640 sent no pun intended. I think it's sent a very 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.119 strong message. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:21.720 To me, Yeah to me. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.040 Okay, now speaking of strong messages and a strong drink. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.320 So here we are listen. Derry is having a Fourth 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.640 of July party celebrating America, and everything is done in red, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:36.320 white and blue. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:37.600 She's getting things together. 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:44.680 It's early and she arrives Dery in typical three fashioned 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.760 pun intended. Is it her closet getting ready for you know, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.320 getting gland ready? And Sudden is there for a long time, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.080 but then Kyle comes. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.119 They go in the backyard. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:01.440 Garcella is there, and then a conversation ensued about whether 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:06.760 or not Sutton has alcohol in her drink, and Duri 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:12.360 made a common like it's suthing. Of course it's alcohol, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:17.920 and Sutton lose this her shit and cost her a bitch. Yeah, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.560 and Dereise says, I would like it if you don't 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.560 call me a bitch in my own house, and then 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:23.600 Sutton leaves. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:24.920 I mean, kay. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.000 We have a lot of pactages from there because there's 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:28.719 so much more that happened afterwards. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:35.600 Yeah. Well, here's my question for your audience, because I 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:41.040 have not known many people that have alcoholism or a 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.520 loved one with it, so this is a question I have. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.800 Is it strange? Because it seems strange to me that 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:54.960 Durak the season has talked openly about Pek's alcoholism. She 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.679 suggests that a sponsor was the one that suggested that 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:05.760 they get separated, and she's been flippant about the possibility 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.000 that PK and Kyle part of their friendship is based 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.920 on their shared sobriety, and then makes flippant comments about 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.520 Sutton and her drinking. Is that strange? 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.360 I love you so much because as if you were. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.600 I laughed at the moment because to me, it was 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.679 like feeling funny, and that's why we watched these shows. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.680 But then, Kay, as I kept watching it, I swear 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.159 to you, I thought about, like, wait a second, you 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.240 talked about your husband and his alcoholism and the things 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.440 you've seen, and you know, we talked about how the 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.680 retold everybody with an earshot PK was an alcoholic. So 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.280 even if it was a flippant joke, I think, look, 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.520 knowing what you're dealing with, and then to even use 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.720 that as a joke, I did find weird after I 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:03.880 really processed this moment because of what we've been seeing 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.520 and largely one of the reasons why a lot of 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.520 people do feel bad for duree Is because of what 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.720 she had to experience with PK's alcoholism and having a 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.639 sponsor and all those things. So if you think for 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.760 a second that something does have a problem, and listen, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.600 no one has said she does. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.879 I want to be that very clear. But if you 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.919 feel like well drinks. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:30.120 A lot, one would argue be a little bit more 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.320 sensitive if that's the case, based on what you're dealing 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:34.440 with with your husband. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.399 Yeah. Well, I have one friend in town, and I 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.320 remember I said to her, I don't know, about six 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.480 months ago, something like about her ex husband. He said 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.520 he I noticed, he said he doesn't drink. And her 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.000 response immediately was, that's really his story to tell. 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:51.160 Amen. 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:53.919 And so when I watched those scenes, I thought of 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.280 my own friend and that response, And so it's strange 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.320 to me that Duriek doesn't have a little bit more 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.760 empathy or says something like that. So we have a 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:04.879 little bit more contexts. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:06.800 Yeah, I agree. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.679 Agree, I said the same thing when she when she 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.639 told both for the first time, I sent this podcast. 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.479 That's not your story to tell people, that is PK story. 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.680 Just like when a woman is pregnant it's not anyone 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:21.200 else's story to tell people. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.560 You know, this woman's pregnant. 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.879 Sutton obviously had a strong reaction, and I want to 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.640 get her thoughts on it, not to diagnose Sun either. 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.720 She did say that she's sick of it because they 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:39.280 tried to perpetuate last season in the season before that, 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.920 that she drinks a lot and. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.800 That it messed her up. These are her words. It 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:44.440 mess her up. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.720 You know, people are gossipping about it, and she's uncomfortable. 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.800 I understand where Sun is coming from if that's not 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.840 if because she feels that way and she said it 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.960 now the remay and I have known that obviously, but 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.040 I too would be upset if you're trying to make 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:08.960 jokes about me and drinking. Anna Marie was on my 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.679 podcast last season and she made a comment that about Sutton, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.960 the cass make comments about Sudden and her drinking, whether 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:16.760 or not she has to. 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:18.159 Her coffee cup whatever. 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.760 Do you think something was right for having that strong 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:27.080 reaction based on they're constantly perpetuating these rumors with her. 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.760 Well, I mean, it's hard to say, because it's that's 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.680 how she feels. I think that what I'm missing from 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.320 Sudden under read is a little bit more explanation and there, 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.240 and they're in the moment interviews or they're confessionals. It's 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:46.120 like if alcoholism is a touchy subject in her own space, 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.640 so in her own interview, I wish that she would 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.520 talk a little bit about that why it upsets her, 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.840