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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: years of production experience. Twice a week on Reality with

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain drops.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality of the King, my girlfriend

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Speaker 1: is back, my sister from another mister. I love it

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Speaker 1: when she's on. You guys loving when she's on. She's

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Speaker 1: everywhere my love. Give it up for the amazing punt

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Speaker 1: intended Kate Kasey.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm so fired enough, ready to talk, so excited.

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Speaker 2: Should we just die right in? Because I felt like, well,

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Speaker 2: let me just start here.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, we're gonna recap the latest episode of The Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives Ability Hills. You and I have the best spirited

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Speaker 1: conversations because sometimes we're aligne sometimes we're not, But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's the best conversation ever.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this episode, you did.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed the I think the previous one. More, Okay,

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Speaker 3: that was more in my style, where it's just like

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Speaker 3: you get to go to someone's house and you meet

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Speaker 3: their weird parents and then you figure out, like why

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Speaker 3: they're such a weirdo. I love that more. This episode

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Speaker 3: felt to me like I also like it, but not

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Speaker 3: as much. This is like almost like a workplace comedy.

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Speaker 3: They don't realize they're in it, but it's a workplace comedy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's like the Office or something. Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, why is his name? I'll have a brave part.

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Speaker 1: The lead actor Kate from The Offense.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Michael Scott, No, that's the character. Oh well yes,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, the actor Steve Carell.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Kate, Steve Carell. Sutton is Steve Carell.

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Speaker 3: She's She's definitely not most observant of oneself, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was fascinating, but let's just get right into it,

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Speaker 1: because the beginning of this episode obviously is the continuation

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Speaker 1: of the previous where Sutton is an Augusta Georgia and

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Speaker 1: I along with you, I want to say, me and

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Speaker 1: you do agree on this, Like, Sutton is obviously a

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Speaker 1: very interesting character on the show. We don't get a

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Speaker 1: chance to see her children because her husband unfortunately won't

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Speaker 3: But wait a minute, aren't they over eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Are all of them over eighteen or the some of.

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Speaker 3: Them at least two are?

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Speaker 2: So are they just not interested?

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Speaker 3: Probably? I think the daughter may be graduating from college.

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Speaker 3: I think I read that she's going to go to

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Speaker 3: she might be like, this is not my vibe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.

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Speaker 3: And I think the other goes to maybe the Citadel.

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Speaker 3: I think he's in a military academy.

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Speaker 4: Oh Wowow do you have to say, I do look

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Speaker 4: at someone's kids and and if they're as you know,

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Speaker 3: As they seem, you do have to give it to

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Speaker 3: seem to have raised successful kids maybe and maybe wise

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Speaker 2: Similar to but it sucks for us.

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Speaker 3: But it sucks for us. I know Erica Jane too.

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Speaker 3: You have to say, props her. She seems to have

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Speaker 1: Are good, Yeah, even like Mauricio and Kyle great parents,

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Speaker 1: Yes, what are your thoughts, Ariba, I want to get

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Speaker 3: Definitely a product of her generation. She even says it,

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Speaker 2: Like kn' is still a bastard and her mother exactly.

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Speaker 3: And then the added component of Reba's definitely in deep

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Speaker 3: I think, in her eyes, has had a great life.

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Speaker 3: And she what I got from her was like, what

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Speaker 3: are you complaining about all of those things? And she's

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was painful for me to watch. Listen.

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Speaker 1: Riba is a woman that obviously grew up in an

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to call her names because.

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Speaker 1: We're not here to do that, but it doesn't appear

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Speaker 1: She just wasn't here for it, even saying to her

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Speaker 1: when Garcella is like, look, your daughter wants you to

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Speaker 2: Your business, and look, it may not be. It may

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Speaker 1: I also think there's a way of telling somebody to

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Speaker 2: Reunion and this is me just being honest.

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Speaker 1: Garcel has talked about Dere's microaggressions. I need for Garcela

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Speaker 1: what Riba was displaying to me and to the world.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because.

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Speaker 1: A lot of my white friends text me and said,

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Speaker 3: So I wondered too if there was some sort of

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Speaker 3: And I wonder if they didn't include it. I would

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Speaker 3: like the first question I would have, like, where was that?

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Speaker 2: Do you know this?

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Speaker 3: Kate?

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Speaker 1: On the after show, Sudden revealed that Riba returned the

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Speaker 2: Did you know that?

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Speaker 3: I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: So the spark that she gave Riba, Riba returned it

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Speaker 3: I want, like, is Sudden afraid of her mother? Could

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Speaker 3: can't she say something to her like this is one

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Speaker 1: It appears to me that this not to be a psychiatrist,

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Speaker 2: Want to get your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: A woman once told me that a girl's first bully

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Speaker 2: It's in some cases, right, huh.

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Speaker 1: It appears to me that because Sutton was also to

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Speaker 2: But it is very cold to Sutton.

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Speaker 1: And like you said earlier, your mother was like, girl,

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Speaker 3: I see, I see my mother and Reba trust me

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that's how I was raised with somebody

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Speaker 1: What is her advice then to Sutton as as an

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be different.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can't ask some money who is devoid of

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Speaker 3: So you need to say, you know, in my home

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and that that appeared to be evidema.

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Speaker 1: Look at the very end, she she told her daughter,

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Speaker 1: I love you, with the resounding applause from Cogre and

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Speaker 1: Garsel and listen for me. I appreciate the fact we

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Speaker 1: that we're eating reality star if you want to understand them,

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Speaker 1: They don't do the best job at explaining what's going on,

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Speaker 3: of Kyle Dory and Sudden. There's a real disconnect. And

443
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: and I say this because in fairness, I've said that

444
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: about Eric past seasons. Yeah, you know, we've taken Erica

445
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: to task for that, So why are we not taking

446
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: them to task for it too?

447
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: Yet?

448
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: Listen, one thing about the Beverly Hills Housewives, and I

449
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: love them all. The show is not known for personal story.

450
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: Let's have a real conversation. True, you know, it's not

451
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: known for us seeing the cracks of the relationship. You

452
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: and I always talk about Needing Leeks being a great

453
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: housewife because she always showed you the cracks early on,

454
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: right with her father. Your favorite scene in the world

455
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: of Atlanta was going to Athens and her meeting her

456
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: father on the park benches. You saw the cracks in

457
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: her relationship with Greg unfold to where you know, you

458
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: saw the hierarchy change in terms of she's the breadwinner

459
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: and he's not identified anymore as a powerful man.

460
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: You get to see some of these things with Belly Hills.

461
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing about Belly Hills to me and I

462
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: love the show, Unfortunately we get the end result and

463
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: we don't get any backstory.

464
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: We can't. We're filling for divorce. Hold up one fucking second.

465
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: I didn't see one argument. Think about it.

466
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: Of all the divorces from Beverly Hills, we were never

467
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: led up to that moment occurring the way the way

468
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: the way we were with Tamer Judge and her ex

469
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: husband in the limo, like we we saw the build

470
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: up because we saw that we was saw with Vicky

471
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: a don my love bubble. My take is it was

472
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: like he's a good guy. Though Vicky, we don't see

473
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: that on Beverly Hills. So again to your point, when

474
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: sudden has this big reaction, I want this son to

475
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: explain to your point in interview, look, when it comestant drinking,

476
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: that's a sense of subject for X amount of reasons

477
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: or I need more. Because to see Kyle and Garcel

478
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: run after her, I understood Garcel doing it because they

479
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: have that friendship. The Kyle things surprised me, and maybe

480
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: it's because they just left Augusta. But in Beverly and Kate,

481
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: you know more about that world than me, sister, I

482
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: think I'm on both side it terms of it's a

483
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: bit uncouthed to leave the house.

484
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: Oh, the house party.

485
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: Well, but it's also uncouth to wait have someone wait

486
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: forty minutes at your own party, you know. I always

487
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: say it's the small things that say so much about somebody.

488
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, like, bo Is, why are you

489
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: talking to Dree? Seems to me so absolutely selfish an

490
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: in her own world, like the fact that you would

491
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: invite people and then not even come down because you're

492
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: inherent makeup. It's like we're going, not going to the oscars.

493
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: You're still in a little scene here, like what are

494
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 3: we talking about? Although I will say I still can

495
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: never forget when she's talking about PTSD from the robbery

496
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: and PK is like like, get over it. Do you

497
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: remember how weird that was? Too? Yeah, like if someone

498
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: broke into your home with a gun and like what weird?

499
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

500
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like are we on planet Zorb?

501
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 2: Like?

502
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: What where? How do we get back to Earth? What

503
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: is happening here?

504
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: Weird child? We are just getting started.

505
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

506
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. So did you did

507
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: you think it was hypocrisy? Because when Kyle left the

508
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: Red No, it was it was Bozy Ban yeah, when

509
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Garcia garself. When Kyle left, Bowsey bent the whole pamp event,

510
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: and a sudden was like, who does Kyle think she

511
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: is the fucking queen? I'm paraphrasing, Yeah, but something pulled

512
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: the same move Kyle clocked in.

513
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: This is when it becomes a workplace comedy. They don't

514
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: realize where they're in a comedy, but they're in a

515
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: comedy because it's all employees pissed each other. Because why

516
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: do they get to leave work like the retreat early?

517
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: Why you know that's all it is. Yes, that's just

518
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: power dynamics of like on the show, they don't it's

519
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: not really about real friendship and feeling distant or any

520
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: of that. So that's a workplace situation, right.

521
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let me tell you something as a as

522
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: a reality producer. Okay, when it's an ensemble show, nobody

523
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: meaning a cast member does not want to feel like

524
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: another cast member has one.

525
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: Leg up on them.

526
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Whether that's they get to behave this way and get

527
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: away with it, they get to leave early, they don't

528
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: have to talk about their personal story.

529
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: So when you guys see something in.

530
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: The previous episodes, complain about Kyle, I hope you guys

531
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: understood she wasn't complain about Kyle within the within the

532
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: confinements of this quote unquote sisterhood, there was more so

533
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: Kyle is the og.

534
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: Why does she get away with certain things?

535
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: She gets away with not explaining to us about more game,

536
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: she gets.

537
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: Away with leaving a party early and can take the.

538
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Because Cole admitted this that after she left, she took

539
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: a few days off of work because she had to

540
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: get herself together, So Suton was complaining about that. So

541
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: when Sutton decided to give Kyle a taste of her

542
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: own medicine by leaving, I did find it strange that Again,

543
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Sudden when she was texting somebody my

544
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: belief could this happens to me when I was a

545
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: showrunner on Housewives. She's texting the producers allegedly like I'm

546
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: out of here and don't fucking stop me. Yeah, yeah,

547
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: it's Kate's right. It's a power dynamic. And what you

548
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: guys aren't seeing that I can explain to you is

549
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the barbecue had nothing to do with how much Baka

550
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Sudden had her cup and had everything to do with

551
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: the power dynamics of how these women feel about each other,

552
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: and that's the reason to me why they slightly broke

553
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: the fourth wall and Kate, I can't wait to get

554
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: the thoughts on it, because I know you caught it

555
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: too when Kyle and Garcil was chastised by Bows and

556
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: they gave it back to her and they started talking

557
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: about like, why are you her mouthpiece? Why why all

558
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden are you standing up for her? That conversation, guys,

559
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: was about the alliance that they all have and they're

560
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: finally addressing it.

561
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely without a question, you know. Coupled with that,

562
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: I have a question for you because I was thinking

563
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: about this when these cast members join these shows, because

564
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: you have the privilege of meeting them oftentimes before their

565
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: first season or even like in their early seasons, and

566
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: then you see them kind of transform into different people

567
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: the longer they are on. Are there any actual cast

568
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: members that do have introspection after watching themselves on a show,

569
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: or do you find that they get more and more selfish?

570
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: Because what we're asking for as an audience member and

571
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: a lot of the scenes is for someone to have

572
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: a moment while they're filming to go, wait, you know,

573
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: I am being ridiculous, or at a reunion saying I

574
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: watched that scene back and I realized how absurd I

575
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: was being, or how I had not really given that

576
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: person the benefit of the doubt. When I watch scenes

577
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: like that, the one that you just mentioned, it seems

578
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: like they're getting exponentially more selfish and in their own minds,

579
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: it almost seems impossible for them to have a level

580
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: headed conversation. So my question again is do you find

581
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: that people who join these ensemble shows do they become

582
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: exponentially more selfish and less introspective as time goes on,

583
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: or is there are there exceptions to the rule where

584
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: there are actually cast members that go, yeah, what was

585
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: I thinking?

586
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: It's rare to have a cast and saying, oh shit,

587
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: I looked at myself. I I look crazy. It's on

588
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: me it listen. Unfortunately it's rare. What happens is they

589
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: blame editing and it's like, okay, so we put words

590
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: in your mouth, or like, we really have so much

591
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: time on our hands to sit back and say, how

592
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: can we make this scene so interesting that this person

593
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: can be seen as a villain and this other person

594
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: to be seen as the victim. Nobody has that time

595
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: to do that, so like, I want to start there

596
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: with you. It is rare, unfortunately, for a reality star

597
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: to have a little bit of introspective.

598
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: Moment of saying I look crazy or that was the

599
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: nicest moment. It is rare. Does it happen? Sure? Unfortunately.

600
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: What happens more is they don't double down on.

601
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: It the next season. What they do they become a recluse.

602
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: And that's the reason why you start to see reality

603
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: stars play up to the cameras for the fans. I've

604
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: said this once, and I'll say it again, and you

605
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: and I should do a separate episode about this. Social

606
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: media has ruined the reality star for sure, because they're

607
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: afraid to say anything and fear of getting canceled. They're

608
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: afraid to say anything in the fears of having a

609
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: TSUNONYMI of negative comments.

610
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: One of my examples will always be Diana Jenkins.

611
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Who was on the show two seasons ago, who I

612
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: felt like was being her authentic self, which at the

613
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: end of the day, that's all we could ask for,

614
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: whether or not you liked her agree with her, that's

615
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: why we're here. We're here to watch these episodes and

616
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: judge them based on the episode. We're not supposed to

617
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: judge their behavior outside of the show, because I don't

618
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: give a shit.

619
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: I care about what habits on the show.

620
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: She is somebody who Obviously I've never seen this any

621
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: for any housewife.

622
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: The way Diana Jenkins was.

623
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Negatively bullied by social media, I've never seen anything like

624
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: that for any housewife.

625
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm being honest with you.

626
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: A lot of these housewives and reality starts are afraid

627
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: of that happening to them, and that's the reason why

628
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: you see them being safer. Duri is an example of

629
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: somebody who I love the first two seasons because she

630
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: was herself. Whether you liked or not, she was herself.

631
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: She got negative comments and I felt like she became

632
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: a recluse, and now she's getting her power.

633
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: Back, and that's the real dey we're seeing.

634
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the real deate we're saying.

635
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's the real side of her.

636
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: As it relates to her being fed up, I think

637
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: she yeah, how she she's Derey has realized this in

638
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: my opinion, as I'm watching her, I need this job.

639
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm going through divorce. I will be a single mom

640
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: of two kids. I lived a certain lifestyle. I can't

641
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: go all the way backwards. Dart is like, these women

642
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: aren't really my friends. So I'm going to just be

643
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: brutally honest. I'm not gonna play it safe anymore, and

644
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cast shit out as I think it as

645
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: I think it. That comment with about something there last

646
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: season would have thought it but never said it.

647
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: Derie is now saying things how she.

648
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: Feels in the moment, and she's unapologetic about it. Now

649
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bows defending her, I want to

650
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: get to thoughts on this. I feel like they're all

651
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: mouthpieces for each other. I Likeell his mouthpiece, Bows is

652
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: dereyed and and and Taddy Mellercount was Kyne.

653
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: They all had it.

654
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand why. And then Lisa Renda was Erica James.

655
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's not act like this mouthpiece is new

656
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: to us.

657
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: Yep. Well also, and circling back to your original question

658
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: about that moment where you know someone's running out and

659
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: then you know, to your point that obvious alliances on

660
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: the other side of it, you side of it, the

661
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: crew side of it. What are the messages, what are

662
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: the conversations that you know you're being pulled aside because

663
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it's like, why aren't you showing Why aren't

664
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: you showing that side of her? Because the burden is

665
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 3: on your team because you have seven stories you're trying

666
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: to tell and how they weave together. But then they

667
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: become less in the moment and trying to understand and

668
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: connect with one another, and they're so in their head

669
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: about the mechanics of the game, which is the alliances

670
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: and how much camera time and why does she get

671
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: to leave and I can't? And how much am I

672
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: being compensated if I have to be here longer? So

673
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: what are you experiencing on that other side? Are you

674
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: getting the text in the middle of a scene, like

675
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: does someone go into the bathroom with their phone and say,

676
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: this is straight bullshit? She's about to leave when you

677
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: didn't let me do that and I I'm not going

678
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: to stay right.

679
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: Yes, you'll you you will get a text message, you'll

680
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: get a phone call. The funny thing about being a

681
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: reality TV producer, and this is back in the day

682
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: when I was a we call it a field showrunner.

683
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: So for my audience, it's when you're an executive producer.

684
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: You're the showrunner and you're in the trenches like you're

685
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: on set for the for the for five months. I

686
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: obviously have graduated from that because I have a company,

687
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: so I have a team who do that.

688
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I love you, thank you, baby.

689
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: But my experience as a showrunner on these shows, you

690
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: bet your ass. If a reality start leaves and she

691
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: is able to go home, oh honey, you would not

692
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: hear the last of it. These reality stars keep score,

693
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: are bad and.

694
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: They notice everything.

695
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: They'll notice if Carlos King is talking to one five

696
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: minutes longer than somebody else, why does she get all

697
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: your time and attention. I'm like, well, she had a

698
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: question that require a longer response. They noticed everything. They

699
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: do not want you to treat them differently. They do

700
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: not want any and let's be clear they they're right

701
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: about that. Producers should not treat cast members within favoritism.

702
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Right now, there are cast members who need more attention, right,

703
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, based on what they're going through. Right I'll

704
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: give you an example when Nini Leaks was going through

705
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: her divorce from Greg Leaks. This was during season four

706
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: and I was needing Leek's producer Kim Zoziak's producer and

707
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: Charas so hints me in therapy.

708
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: Okay, that is just that's one book.

709
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: That's one book.

710
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: That's my book, the Trifecta and me being responsible for

711
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: them as a producer.

712
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: Wow, Nini was going through divorce that season. Nini needed

713
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: me more. So I was there for her more.

714
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: I remember constantly having to, like after a scene, stay

715
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: with her at her house and like sit with her

716
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: in her bedroom and just talk because because she needed

717
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: had a tough day. Whereas Charae was fine, like Sharay

718
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: had a great season that season.

719
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: She was funny and she didn't need me as much.

720
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: But you have to understand that they're all watching that

721
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: and what the good thing with me is I've always

722
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: was able to explain, like, girl, she needs me more.

723
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: You know what she's going through. Okay, got it.

724
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: But if it's something so minuscule like I'm leaving because

725
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: she pretty much said I had a drink, that's the

726
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: ship that they don't like. And I appreciate this is me.

727
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate bows. In my opinion, bo saw that Okay,

728
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: this can blow up.

729
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: In terms of a higher situation and favoritism.

730
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: Let me make this about is the retome because at

731
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: the end of the day, these girls don't see it

732
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: that way because they're filming. It's like camera crews, right,

733
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't look at this as I'm in

734
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: this woman's home. Is too many production crew members around.

735
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Also, Boz has worked in corporate America. Yes, so she

736
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: has managed people. So this is another element that's fascinating.

737
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: But if we just froze that scene for a minute,

738
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: just freeze, freeze all the players, okay, and then the

739
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: camera would pan out.

740
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: Uh huh?

741
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: Would I see a producer in the foyer or in

742
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: the driveway or on the front porch with one of

743
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: the cast members going you better get your ass back inside?

744
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: And would I also see a cast member or maybe

745
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: I'm just imagining this is what I would do outside,

746
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: maybe outside of the house at the window, gesticulating to

747
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: a producer like this shit is not working. I want

748
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: to go like, is that the stuff that's happening on

749
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: the periphery? Uh huh yeah, okay, so okay, yeah, that's

750
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: the show I want.

751
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: Well, that's the show I love. That's the real show.

752
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what I would have done. This

753
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: is what Carlos King, as a former showrunner, would have

754
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: done in this in this case, and this is a

755
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: true story, and I will tell you one story of

756
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: pod I did.

757
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: It to in a scene on on Jersey.

758
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell your Jersey s Okay, that's a good example.

759
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: If I was a field showrunner on Beverly Hills Housewife

760
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: and I saw Sutton get up because she was mad

761
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: that dymade a comment about her drinking, right, which to

762
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: me isn't the the It's not the most hurtful negative

763
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: thing to say that. That is like explosive. That's my opinion.

764
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not, of course diminishing how Sutton feels. Right,

765
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: this is just me watching the show. If I was

766
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: there and something it's like, I'm leaving, I Carlos would

767
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: have said, while something was hiding near the bathroom, did

768
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: you peep that, I, as a producer, would have more

769
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: than likely been in the bathroom and said, come here, Yeah,

770
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: what's wrong?

771
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: I would have said something. Is it that deep? If

772
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: it is, tell me.

773
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: I just think you're able to articulate yourself and explain

774
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: to her, because again, my audience sudden, they're not going.

775
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: To understand unless you explain it to us.

776
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: How about you do this, how about you say I'm leaving,

777
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: but before I leave, let me explain to you why

778
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm upset and why I need to get out of here.

779
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: I would have done that, like explain it to her,

780
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: can you give me that?

781
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: And ten times out of ten she would have right,

782
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: because because again a reality star would say, I'm just

783
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: being honest.

784
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: Here, two things would have happened.

785
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: She would have said, Okay, that makes sense, and number two, okay, good,

786
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I'll look good. I'll look good to the audience. I'm

787
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: just being honest.

788
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

789
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Now my example on Jersey, Okay.

790
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: That infamous scene.

791
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: Season two, the country club, Danielle, Jacqueline, Teresa.

792
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: Yep, this is when Danielle got chasing the country club.

793
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: They're at this plash fashion show. Right, it's the first

794
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: time in the season that Danielle staalb, Jacquelin Laarreta and

795
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Teresa July's are the same room.

796
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: And by the way, those fashion shows, I kept thinking, now,

797
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: especially as I get older, the madness of the crew,

798
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: because it's so wild. And then you have Kim, who

799
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: is I don't know, she's sort of like a friend

800
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: of the show.

801
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: She's a friend.

802
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: He's in the middle of it, and you're trying to

803
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: get everyone's point of view. That just seemed like complete madness.

804
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

805
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: So again to your point, we're filming this for two

806
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: hours because of the madness you just described. The fascist

807
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: Show's over with and Teresa's like, did you like it?

808
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: I said, the fast show is fine? I said, would

809
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: you like to talk to Danielle? And she said, oh,

810
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: you know what, Carlos, I actually do.

811
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, I actually do. Because let me tell

812
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: you something. I'm just being honest here.

813
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Teresa Judas is one of the best reality stars I

814
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: have ever worked with.

815
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: Ever.

816
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: Does she easy to work with?

817
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: Teresa Judais is one of the easiest women to work with.

818
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: She gets it and she lives for reality.

819
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: So she's because the thing Teresa new, Let's let's have

820
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: a real conversation, Kate. This is Teresa's second season, so obviously,

821
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: first season she flipped the table.

822
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: It could have changed since then, though she may have.

823
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna say, based from my experience, right first season,

824
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: she's the face of the show.

825
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: After finale, she flipped the table.

826
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Teresa obviously got Harold did and people loved her,

827
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: so she gets it.

828
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: Second season, She's like, let's keep this train moving, you

829
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like like.

830
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm on the magazines.

831
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Teresa understood Danielle's here and we're not going to

832
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: talk to each other.

833
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: And I said, Teresa, talk to her. Do you want to?

834
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: She said yes. I said, we'll talk to her.

835
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Where is she? Carlos my producers say to me, she's

836
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. I said, okay, there's there's a chair

837
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: by the bathroom. Talk to her where she comes out.

838
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

839
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: So that's why when you watch an episode, you see

840
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: her Theresa casually sitting by the bathroom just waiting because

841
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: she's like, I want to talk to her.

842
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, talk to her. Did and listen to

843
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: Danielle stops credit. This is why I missed the old

844
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: days of reality.

845
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they all understood, like, we're not going to

846
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: be at this. It's the first we all got it.

847
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: That's why Danielle said. Daniell could have easily said I

848
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. Danielle understood with Teresa

849
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: said hi, Danielle goes, you're talking to.

850
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: Me and yeah, yeah, but that feels like it's becoming

851
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: more and more impossible.

852
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: It's because social media. A lot of the reality starts today.

853
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: They play up to their fans. Yeah, and they don't want.

854
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: To be real. They want to be strategic.

855
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: It's strategic and that's why that's why Salt Lake City

856
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: is so fascinating to watch, because I think those women

857
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: are like we Those women get it. They just get it.

858
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: They get it. So I would have done that with suthing.

859
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: What did you think though about this whole conversation because

860
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: the deepness between Dewy and Kyle towards the end of

861
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: the episode, right Derey obviously doubled down on Kyle, saying

862
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: that she doesn't know anything that is going on in

863
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: her life right now. Kyle think its defensive and says,

864
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: you all know I'm separated, but I feel like we

865
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: need more, and I feel like Durit is like I

866
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: I want more, and yeah, it's just it's I love

867
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: Kyle's with my favorite housewife. I think Kyle's having a season,

868
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: a challenging season because the audience wants more and we're

869
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: not getting it, Kate, We're just not getting it.

870
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: I listen. I don't know her personally, but I can

871
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: definitely look at footage and make my own assumptions, but

872
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: I think a couple of things. I don't think she

873
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: and Durrey were ever very close. I think it was

874
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: like a show relationship. Yeah, And I feel like Derrey

875
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: has this suspended belief that at some point in time

876
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: they were very deep, close friends. But that speaks to

877
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: so much to me of the relationships that duri has

878
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: in her life, which are probably a lot of Durrete

879
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 3: talks and somebody else is sitting in the same room.

880
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: I think that Durret or excuse me, I think that

881
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: Kyle and PK were far closer friends because PK would

882
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: be at their house all the time, probably complained a

883
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: lot about Dreet and their marriage and their finances and

884
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: things going on. And I think Kyle knows too much,

885
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 3: and when you know too much, you can't unsee things

886
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 3: or unhear things. So I feel like those scenes where

887
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: it's like, are we friends, I don't think they were

888
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: ever particularly close, and I don't think there's any chance

889
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: for that now because Kyle knows too much, and I

890
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: think when she says throughout the season, I don't know

891
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: who you are anymore, I think it's because she's used

892
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: to Durete just sort of like shuffling her feet behind,

893
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: not really saying anything, and she's sort of like, oh,

894
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: now you're a TV star, Like, wait, what's going on.

895
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 3: I think that Kyle personally probably is in this very

896
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: weird vortex because she's been married all this time. I

897
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: would assume it's hard to get divorced when you've been

898
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: married that long and you have that much financial connection. Yes,

899
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: so she's probably trying to unravel that, the fact that

900
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: he's probably dating and dating younger women, which is a

901
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: whole head trip. Right. She's lost her best friend who

902
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: died by suicide, which will take an infinitement amount of

903
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: time to walk through grief. She's got daughters that are older,

904
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: and we've seen and seenes they're very connected to their father.

905
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: The blessing, by the way of Mauricio's show on Netflix

906
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: was to see his point of view of his life,

907
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: and he's super connected with the daughters. I don't think

908
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 3: I would have known that had I not seen that show,

909
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: because that's not really shown on Beverly Hills. So she's

910
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: also like struggling with now they know they all work

911
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: with him, they all want to spend time together. Where

912
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: am I in this family? I'm on the outs. I

913
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 3: think she's struggle because she has some sort of relationship

914
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: with Morgan. I don't know if it's either like a

915
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: friendship or romantic, but it seems to me that Morgan

916
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: does not really want her to discuss her at all

917
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: on the show, obviously, and she feels like, this is

918
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: a big part of my life and I'm not able

919
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: to discuss it, and I am I've got a responsibility

920
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: to the producers to be have a certain openness on

921
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 3: the show that I really can't do. Am I supposed

922
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: to do this show anymore? But she may need the

923
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: show for her own career or financial setup, et cetera.

924
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 3: I think these are all the moving parts that are

925
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: going on in the background and why we're frustrated because

926
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: I don't think she wants to be honest about a

927
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: lot of that. But the reality is if she were,

928
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: I think people would be more empathetic.

929
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Speaker 1: Listen, the reason why we about you loved or hated her, right,

930
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 1: Monica Garcia, the moment you saw the dynamic with her mom, Yeah, true,

931
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Speaker 1: and she was open about it. You were like, okay,

932
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: got it. Even when you think about someone. I want

933
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: to give one more example, Giselle Bryant. When you saw

934
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: when you see her relationship with her daughters, it gives

935
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: you a different point of view of her. You're like, Okay,

936
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: there is a softness there the way she loved her dad.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

938
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Speaker 1: You see it that, Kyle, I agree with you. I

939
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: think Kyle wants to do it. I think when it

940
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: comes to Morgan, I agree with you too. I think

941
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: Morgan said to her, this is too much for me. Yeah,

942
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: and respectfully, Kyle's like, you know, sign up to be

943
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: on the show.

944
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: Got it.

945
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: I think Kyle and Mauricio, because I watched Buying Beverly

946
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Hills two on Netflix, I think they both set each

947
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: other down and said, this is we have to be

948
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: on the same page.

949
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: What we're going to tell the audience. Yeah, and they're

950
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: not going to give us any more than that.

951
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Like ever, and I think Yle knows that this show

952
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: has been her second win in her forties when the

953
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: show FIRS happened, and she is arguably the face of

954
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: Billy Hills and she's NBC's darling right, she does Peacock Movies, Halloween.

955
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: I think in Cole's defense, she wants to, but there's

956
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: two people in her life that she made a commitment

957
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: to and unfortunately she's unable.

958
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: To do it.

959
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

960
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

961
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Speaker 1: So with that being said, Kate, at the end of

962
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: this episode, we see the comic attraction of Mauricio kissing

963
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: another woman.

964
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you think? Where do you think? Excuse me?

965
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: Things are going to end up from here now for

966
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Well, first of all, I think that

968
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: there is a part of Kyle that really wishes she

969
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: still were with Mauricio because she loves the family unit

970
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: and she feels like she's let I think she's a

971
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: people pleaser. I think she's even admitted to it where

972
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 3: she feels guilty, and that's the burden of a reality star.

973
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: I mean, Craig and Page probably feel this too, like

974
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: where people see you as this couple and she feels

975
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: like she's let people down in addition to her own family.

976
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 3: But I think there's too much damage there, and when

977
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: you're married that long and your finances are co mingled,

978
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: I think she's stuck in limbo. And I think if

979
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: she were more honest about that, people would really get

980
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: that like I'm stuck. I don't know what to do.

981
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: So I feel like she's sort of on her own island.

982
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 3: So I can't expect, I think, the rest of the

983
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: episodes to see any moment of like real and deep

984
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 3: connection because I think she's just so closed off from

985
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, bos, I just think it's hard for

986
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: me to understand how she has the capacity to be

987
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: so patient with dreycause I feel like Git lives on

988
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: her own planet right and bos seems so like down

989
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: to earth and grounded and has so much more life

990
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: perspective because she worked in corporate America too. That I'm

991
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 3: just waiting for the moment where Boz is like, I

992
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: can't listen to this anymore. I cannot listen to this anymore.

993
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: I would love to hear a conversation between Garcel and

994
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: Sutton about what happened in Augusta and that means how

995
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: that made Garcel feel like I really would love that,

996
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: And then Erica, I feel like I do like the

997
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: moments where she seems to offer some like some like

998
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 3: tell it like it is moments, but I still want

999
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: to know what's going on in her life, Like I

1000
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, like what's happening with the lawsuits, Like,

1001
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: how do you feel do you feel incredible pressure? Do

1002
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: you feel like you've lost connection with people because of it?

1003
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: Like?

1004
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: I think I would like to see more deeper stuff,

1005
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: but I have to say my favorite thing still is

1006
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: when we get to meet people's parents, because I feel

1007
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: like Origin tell me so much about somebody. The last

1008
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: part of the Origin story with Sutton is that I

1009
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: found it hilarious how much she complained about her mother

1010
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: when there are so many characteristics that are exactly the same.

1011
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: In many ways, she's like a watered down version of

1012
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 3: her mother. She's she's got zero filter. She can say

1013
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: things that are very hurtful, Like there's so many things

1014
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: where I'm like, girl, it's you. It just reminded me

1015
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: of the Heather du Bro episode when we met her mom. Yeah, yes,

1016
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: wonder Heather feels like this all the time. And like

1017
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: Heather and Sutton said something similar, which I feel like

1018
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: is so common for a lot of people. Probably with

1019
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: your parents too, where you complained about your parent and

1020
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, but that's what I was raised with.

1021
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: And it's very hard to untangle things that you saw

1022
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: as a child. And we tend to like duplicate things.

1023
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: We'll water down versions of her parents.

1024
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