Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving Eve. At least that's the case for some
Speaker 1: of us, but not Drake. What the hell is going
Speaker 1: on with one of the most popular artists around This
Speaker 1: brother is going after Kendrick Lamar, not with lyrics, but
Speaker 1: with a lawsuit. Ah damn steven A Smith Show in
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Speaker 1: I got to leave the show off. Not with sports,
Speaker 1: not with politics, but with hip hop. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be hip hop. It's supposed to be hip hop, but
Speaker 1: that is not what the hell is going on right now?
Speaker 1: Did you hear the latest news?
Speaker 2: Did you hear it?
Speaker 1: Drake is now dragging lawyers into his beef with Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: I know y'all have heard about this by now. Drake
Speaker 1: father court petition Monday against his own record label, Universal
Speaker 1: Music Group and Spotify, by the way, accusing them of
Speaker 1: harming him by allegedly boosting Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us.
Speaker 1: Drake's petition seeks the preservation and divulgence of information that
Speaker 1: might be used as evidence in a potential lawsuit against UMG,
Speaker 1: which is the distributor for the record labels of both
Speaker 1: Drake and Lamar. A second petition father in Texas alleges
Speaker 1: UMG engaged in a pay for play scheme with iHeartMedia
Speaker 1: to help boost the song, which the petition also claims
Speaker 1: the themed Drake you may recall, Not Like Us infers
Speaker 1: that Drake engages in pedophilia, and the song has gotten
Speaker 1: more than nine hundred million plays according to the figures
Speaker 1: listed on Spotify, who obviously declined to comment on the petition.
Speaker 1: As for UMG, they issued the following statement saying, quote
Speaker 1: the suggestion that UMG would do anything to undermine any
Speaker 1: of its artists is offensive and untrue. We employ the
Speaker 1: highest ethical practices in our marketing and promotional campaigns. No
Speaker 1: amount of contrived and absurd legal arguments, and this pre
Speaker 1: action submission can mask the fact that fans choose the
Speaker 1: music they want to hear. End quote. You know, it's
Speaker 1: interesting that we bring that up because before I go
Speaker 1: any further, that pre action, that preaction petition that they
Speaker 1: alluded to. Understand, that's a procedure under New York law
Speaker 1: that aims to secure information before filing a lawsuit. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to get that out the way. Okay. By
Speaker 1: the way, the lead between Drake and Kendrick, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, is set to headline the super Bowl halftime
Speaker 1: sh that was one of the biggest rap beefs in
Speaker 1: recent years. The beef between them, it's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest rap beefs in years. This is a bad look.
Speaker 1: Let's get this out of the way right now. It's
Speaker 1: a bad look and it's all smeared on Drake, all
Speaker 1: of it. This is hip hop, man, this is hip hop.
Speaker 1: Somebody comes at you with lyrics with a song, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to come right back at them with the song
Speaker 1: with lyrics. And I'm gonna tell y'all something right now.
Speaker 1: You know, the hip hop community prides itself on being authentic,
Speaker 1: straight up, real, in your face, let you know where
Speaker 1: they stand, how they feel, and not shine away from shit.
Speaker 1: That's the hip hop community. Let me tell you what's
Speaker 1: been happening in the hip hop community. Since last night.
Speaker 1: I've been making calls. I appreciate the bevy of information
Speaker 1: that everybody has provided me with, given me intel and
Speaker 1: letting me know what the hell is really going on,
Speaker 1: because ladies and gentlemen, I don't cover this business. And yes,
Speaker 1: I'm a product of the hip hop generation. I grew
Speaker 1: up me Helen from Hollis Queens, New York City, y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm from Hollins Queens. Run DMC grew up in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Jam Master J was best friends with my late brother
Speaker 1: god Rest, both of their souls. Lllucle J grew up
Speaker 1: five minutes away in Farmers Boulevard. Fitty was just a
Speaker 1: few minutes away. John rode the same thing.
Speaker 2: How mean.
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. So I understand I'm
Speaker 1: a product of all of that. I'm a product of
Speaker 1: all of that, but I've never been entrenched in it
Speaker 1: from a journalistic perspective. I don't cover it. I don't
Speaker 1: read hip hop magazines and all of this other stuff.
Speaker 1: I just listened to the music that I like and
Speaker 1: to the stations that play the music that I like.
Speaker 1: That's all I know. That's all I know. I don't
Speaker 1: know a damn thing about the industry. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you this much though I know a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot of people who do. W Here's why I bring
Speaker 1: it up. All of them want to remain nameless, all
Speaker 1: of them, the hip hop artists, I know, the radio
Speaker 1: disc jockeys that I know, the journalists that cover it.
Speaker 1: Even though I got Tor Ray coming on in a
Speaker 1: few minutes. I mean, I've never seen an industry where
Speaker 1: you got, folks yo. I'm not touching this publicly, but
Speaker 1: that ain't stop a whole bunch of them. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about ten fifteen different people. Bring let me know how
Speaker 1: they feel. Because I'm gonna read some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: You understand, can't tell you who, but I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: let you know. They looking at Kendrick Lamar song, not
Speaker 1: like us with the nine hundred million listeners to downloads
Speaker 1: all of this other stuff, and they going like this,
Speaker 1: damn right, Drake, not like us? Did we tell you?
Speaker 1: Didn't Kendrick Lamar tell you all because of lawyers. Now, again,
Speaker 1: this is not a lawsuit, I want to make that
Speaker 1: very very clear. Now, Yet this is a preaction petition
Speaker 1: So basically, if you're Drake, what you're doing is the
Speaker 1: procedure under New York Lord that aims to secure information
Speaker 1: before filing a lawsuit. You're trying to make sure you
Speaker 1: get access to all the information that you want because
Speaker 1: of the accusations that he's trying to say. And they
Speaker 1: looking at Drake and they're like, they don't give a
Speaker 1: shit about that. The rap artists don't care, the DJs
Speaker 1: don't care. Now, my man, funk Master Flex was on
Speaker 1: TV or not on TV. I'm sorry. He went on
Speaker 1: social media and he was saying, Drake, ain't tell a
Speaker 1: lie that this is the game that's played in the
Speaker 1: music industry where you got cats having money funneled to
Speaker 1: them to push one product more so than the other,
Speaker 1: to push a particular song to make sure it gets
Speaker 1: airplay and stuff like that. My point is, I'm not
Speaker 1: challenging funk Master Flex in any way because I know
Speaker 1: the brother knows a gazillion times more about this industry
Speaker 1: than I would ever know. All I'm saying is now
Speaker 1: people don't give a shit about that right now. No
Speaker 1: no no no oh no no no no no no,
Speaker 1: that don't matter right now ladies and gentlemen. What matters
Speaker 1: right now is that two lyricists have been going after
Speaker 1: each other for months and Kendrick Lamar not like us,
Speaker 1: and she was off the chain. He was off the chain.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody been going, I mean, you got people, I mean kids, adults,
Speaker 1: senior citizens, black, white, asthetic agent at everybody, and they
Speaker 1: know the lyrics, minors remember that. I mean, they're like.
Speaker 1: But all they said was, y'all, damn Kendrick got him.
Speaker 1: Not damn Drake's a pedophile. He's just talking about the
Speaker 1: lyrics and what he brought and what he dropped and
Speaker 1: how he came at him, and we ain't hear much
Speaker 1: from Drake, and then we get this, We get this.
Speaker 1: Look y'all, there's a several modes of thinking in this.
Speaker 1: And let me calm down a little bit because it's
Speaker 1: got me hyped. I'm not gonna even front just read it.
Speaker 1: But yo, one person wrote to me Drake throwing away
Speaker 1: his hip hop credibility to use this leverage in label negotiations.
Speaker 1: The flip side is he's also in effect helping Kendrick
Speaker 1: Lamar distance himself from Drake. In a hip hop legend, conversation.
Speaker 1: There are rumblings that defamation, that the defamation lawsuit is
Speaker 1: an effort by Drake to stop Kendrick Lamar from performing
Speaker 1: Not Like Us at the super Bowl, because Kendrick Lamar
Speaker 1: is the halftime show for the super Bowl. And so
Speaker 1: now we got to look at it because if you're
Speaker 1: the Nation, if you're the National Football League and you
Speaker 1: Jay Z and Rock Nation, who oversees the halftime entertainment
Speaker 1: for the super Bowl, and Kendrick Lamar doesn't perform Not
Speaker 1: Like Us, the world is gonna be in an uproar
Speaker 1: because anybody's gonna be like that, don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: Excuse my double negative from grammatically Era asked have himself.
Speaker 1: That's what they gonna say. You gotta play this, especially now,
Speaker 1: especially now, you gotta perform that song. You can't be
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar at the super Bowl in New Orleans and
Speaker 1: you don't play Not Like Us. And Drake walks away
Speaker 1: from that unscathed, because I don't care who pumped what up.
Speaker 1: If the song wasn't straight fire, there's no way it
Speaker 1: would have had that many, that many hits, that many downloads,
Speaker 1: No way in hell. I don't give a damn what
Speaker 1: they try to pump. I don't care what they try
Speaker 1: to market. Nobody's having it because you want to hear
Speaker 1: that song. And so from a legitimate perspective, that argument
Speaker 1: by Jake Drake, in the eyes of a lot of
Speaker 1: fans out there, is illegitimate. But more importantly, he comes
Speaker 1: off as very weak and very sensitive and ladies and
Speaker 1: gentlemen as a guy that covers sports. Do you remember
Speaker 1: what happened when Damar DeRozan was returning to Toronto to
Speaker 1: play now that he's a member of the Sacramento Kings,
Speaker 1: Drake used to love Damar DeRozan, but Damar DeRozan was
Speaker 1: on stage doing Kendrick Lamar's concert in La months ago,
Speaker 1: dancing on stage with Russell Westbrook and a couple of
Speaker 1: other cats. Because they all from they all from the
Speaker 1: same they all from the same hug Off of Compton,
Speaker 1: and they were like yo. Tamar DeRozan used to be
Speaker 1: a Toronto raptor. Drake loved him. But then when a
Speaker 1: reporter asked Drake about DeMar DeRozan's jersey being hung in
Speaker 1: the Raptors as a testament to his greatness as a
Speaker 1: Toronto raptor, during those years he played there, Drake said, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'd go down there pull it down myself. You don't
Speaker 1: believe me. Listen to this right here, look see it
Speaker 1: for yourself. Check it out speaking the National Treasure.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you ever put up a DeRozan banner up,
Speaker 3: I'll go up there and pull it down myself.
Speaker 1: That's the answer. You what question that what you're gonna ask?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know, Kyle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the statues are next.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they are.
Speaker 4: Gonna like this.
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying. It's not far fetched to believe
Speaker 1: if he's gonna react like that towards Lamar Rosen, who
Speaker 1: used to be his boy. Everyone's once on a magazine
Speaker 1: cover together. If I remember correctly, If you're gonna act
Speaker 1: that way towards a cat that you once had love for,
Speaker 1: why would it be beyond the pale for you to
Speaker 1: try to get Kendrick Lenaw not to be allowed to
Speaker 1: perform that song on a halftime show for Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That is not far fetched. That is not far fetched.
Speaker 1: It's bad, it's bet and if that happens, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take something right now. It's not good for Drake. Here's
Speaker 1: another thing that somebody said to me from the hip
Speaker 1: hop industry quote, it's not hip hop at all. He
Speaker 1: lost me with that shit. I'm sorry. Still love Drake,
Speaker 1: still love him, but got to stay far away from
Speaker 1: him on the low after this. Ain't no excuse for
Speaker 1: him doing this. You want to get back at Kendrick Lamar,
Speaker 1: you come up there and you come on some bars,
Speaker 1: you come with some lyrics, and you go at him.
Speaker 1: You don't lose use lawyers to do it. That's how
Speaker 1: this is being viewed. And so I remember I was
Speaker 1: just I just went and got myself a haircut, and
Speaker 1: I ran into a couple of couple of brothers when
Speaker 1: we were in the shop, and they were like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's a legal issue. It's a legal issue. Fine, but
Speaker 1: this will detrimentally hurt Drake's credibility. And then one of
Speaker 1: the cats said, yo, he might not care. I said,
Speaker 1: why not? They said, because he ain't like us. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to make from that. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: from Canada, Kendrick from Compton. You're seeing streets of Canada
Speaker 1: probably a lot different than Compton. I guess that's what
Speaker 1: they were alluding to. Actually I know it, but this
Speaker 1: don't look good and just to read. Just so y'all know.
Speaker 1: For those of y'all watching for the first time and
Speaker 1: didn't know, Drake initiated legal action against Universal Music Group
Speaker 1: UMG and Spotify over allegations that the two companies quote
Speaker 1: conspired to artificially inflate the popularity of Kendrick Lamar is
Speaker 1: not like us. Nobody wants to hear that shit is
Speaker 1: an artificial inflation. Nobody believes that because everybody's loving the song.
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, I'll continue in the following Monday, November twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: and Manhattan Court, Drake's Frozen Moments LLC accuses UMG of
Speaker 1: launching quote an illegal scheme involving bots, Paola and other
Speaker 1: methods to pump up Lamar's song, a track that savagely
Speaker 1: attacked Drake omitted an ongoing few between the two stars.
Speaker 1: He did not rely on chance or even ordinary business practices.
Speaker 1: Attorneys for Drake's company right It instead launched a campaign
Speaker 1: to manipulate and saturate the streaming services and airwaves. Drake's
Speaker 1: attorneys accused you UMG of violating a Racketeer, Influenced and
Speaker 1: Corrupt Organizations Act. The Federal RICO statue often used in
Speaker 1: criminal cases against organized crime. They also alleged to scept
Speaker 1: the business practices and false advertising under New York state law.
Speaker 1: The court filings are a remarkable twist in a high
Speaker 1: profile beat between the two stars, which saw Drake and
Speaker 1: Lamar exchange stinging dis tracks over a period of months.
Speaker 1: Earlier this year that such a dispute which spilled into
Speaker 1: business litigation, seemed almost unthinkable in a world of hip hop. Well,
Speaker 1: it ain't unthinkable now. It ain't unthinkable now. My next
Speaker 1: guest is a journalist that has covered the music industry
Speaker 1: for decades. He's also an author, podcaster, and television host.
Speaker 1: You can watch his show Rap Latte on YouTube and
Speaker 1: listen to the taira show wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show to one
Speaker 1: and only to Ray, what's up Big Time? How are
Speaker 1: you man?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve and Day, Thank you for that welcome.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that man. First of all, it's good to
Speaker 1: see you man. Thank you for taking time out of
Speaker 1: your busy schedule to do this. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be straight up with you. I'm as
Speaker 1: ignorant as they come with this kind of stuff to
Speaker 1: ray this is that you know, I don't cover hip hop.
Speaker 1: I listen to hip hop music, but I don't cover
Speaker 1: it at all. How big of a deal is it
Speaker 1: in your mind that Drake is actually clearly entertaining filing
Speaker 1: a lawsuit with this r what is it called, this
Speaker 1: preaction petition? How big of a deal is it in
Speaker 1: your eyes?
Speaker 5: You know, I find it bizarre and kind of a
Speaker 5: big deal that one of the biggest artists in the
Speaker 5: world wants to have a public conversation about whether or
Speaker 5: not Payola was used against him when certainly Paola has
Speaker 5: been used to benefit him on multiple occasions.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: I mean, like, if this is the case of where
Speaker 5: you accuse somebody of doing something because you know that's
Speaker 5: what you do, right, That's what I would.
Speaker 2: Do if I was him.
Speaker 5: Right, Every major song has a massive expenditure behind it.
Speaker 5: Nothing goes pop by accident and it's just an organic
Speaker 5: success that had no help.
Speaker 2: There are bots, there is payola.
Speaker 5: There's all sorts of ways that radio stations and streamers
Speaker 5: and other ways that we get music to consumers are
Speaker 5: influenced by music industry money, and we have dealt with
Speaker 5: payola in large ways throughout our history.
Speaker 2: In the fifties and the seventies, like it has been
Speaker 2: a huge issue.
Speaker 5: It is something the music industry never wants us to
Speaker 5: talk about because it's unseemably. We don't want to think
Speaker 5: that somebody paid a million dollars to make.
Speaker 2: That song number one. We want to think that the
Speaker 2: fans fell in love with the song and it's a
Speaker 2: true representation of what the people want. This is not
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 5: And Drake is now saying that the company that he
Speaker 5: is a rainmaker for use it's machine to help somebody
Speaker 5: else profit on his back, so on his image, because
Speaker 5: the song predicated on dissing Drake and it robs Drake
Speaker 5: of chances to get streams. So they pushed the song up,
Speaker 5: made it large, it became gigantic, and this was personally
Speaker 5: damaging to Drake's business.
Speaker 2: This is the.
Speaker 5: Most unhip hop way of responding to a beef's ever.
Speaker 1: But this is where we are, all right. So this
Speaker 1: is where we are. And why do you think Drake
Speaker 1: is doing this? Is it because he's excessively an ultra embarrassed?
Speaker 1: Is it because he's using it as a negotiating ploy
Speaker 1: against the company that he works with, or what have you,
Speaker 1: or is it incentivized primarily in an effort to stop
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar from performing this song during halftime of the
Speaker 1: upcoming super Bowl In February.
Speaker 5: We had a big conversation about this on rapp Latte.
Speaker 5: My partner by co host King Green really thinks that
Speaker 5: this is part of him trying to renegotiate and perhaps
Speaker 5: even get out of the deal that he has with UMG.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's even possible.
Speaker 5: I think we're really seeing more of an angry, egotistical,
Speaker 5: wealthy man not wanting to admit loss and would rather
Speaker 5: say to the people there was a systemic reason why
Speaker 5: I lost. There was a machine that pumped up the song,
Speaker 5: that made it gigantic. That's why I lost because the machine,
Speaker 5: the record company machine, made Not Like Us so huge.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's.
Speaker 5: Really any way that Drake could stop Kendrick from performing
Speaker 5: Not Like Us at the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: That's gonna happen, but the.
Speaker 5: Song has already been one of, if not the biggest
Speaker 5: smash of the last ten years, certainly thin hip hop culture.
Speaker 5: The only thing I can think of closes and words
Speaker 5: in Paris that was this gigantic of a spec But
Speaker 5: I think Not Like Us was bigger, which is unwittingly,
Speaker 5: Drake is all reminding us of how much we loved
Speaker 5: Not Like Us at its height. So you see all
Speaker 5: these tiktoks where people are saying, well, I've played the
Speaker 5: song a million times myself, so.
Speaker 2: I can believe it got to a billion streams.
Speaker 5: It felt organic, it felt like it was everywhere, So
Speaker 5: of course we understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know why the record was big.
Speaker 4: We made it big.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, how do you feel this will affect Drake's
Speaker 1: credibility in the hip hop industry, and how do you
Speaker 1: think it will affect him business wise overall?
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that we see as
Speaker 5: this situation overlaps to sports. We respect a graceful loser.
Speaker 5: You get knocked out, you get beat at home, whatever,
Speaker 5: you hold your head up and say good job to
Speaker 5: the other team, and you walk off without tears, and
Speaker 5: we're like, we respect you. And maybe Steven A will
Speaker 5: go on first take and call you a dog, but
Speaker 5: you still respect him as a man because he dealt
Speaker 5: with the loss like a gentleman.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: Drake seemed to be dealing with the loss like a gentleman,
Speaker 5: right and like taking on the chin, and he lost
Speaker 5: big battles before and kept it moving, and the feeling
Speaker 5: was like, Wow, Drake is so big that he can
Speaker 5: lose a battle. This makes him seem like the whiniest
Speaker 5: cry baby. Richie rich went off and deployed his money
Speaker 5: to try to get back at you, and it really
Speaker 5: does say I'm not like you.
Speaker 2: I am not hip hop.
Speaker 5: I did something in response to losing a battle that
Speaker 5: no rapper would ever do.
Speaker 2: I felt like.
Speaker 5: He's gonna survive, not like us, He's gonna survive. You know,
Speaker 5: a billion people screaming a minor all summer long. But
Speaker 5: this brings it to a different place where I think
Speaker 5: a lot of people have to start to be like,
Speaker 5: I really like the guy, and like for some people,
Speaker 5: they want to like the person, right. And what we're
Speaker 5: talking about with Drake is not being part of the
Speaker 5: hip hop culture.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: That was really Kendrick's.
Speaker 5: Main thing, and this is pushing that notion if you
Speaker 5: don't like the guy because.
Speaker 2: You're like, he's a whiny cry baby.
Speaker 5: And he handled it like a loser when he lost
Speaker 5: that sours you on the records because his vibe, who
Speaker 5: you think he is as a person is critical to
Speaker 5: your relationship with him, your parasocial relationship with him as
Speaker 5: a listener. You got you gotta like him. If you
Speaker 5: don't like Drake, If you think he's corny, the music
Speaker 5: doesn't work. It doesn't matter how slick the raps are
Speaker 5: and how good the beat is. If I think he's corny,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be able to rock with him. And
Speaker 5: this is like taking a big stamp in like boo boom,
Speaker 5: I am corny, Like.
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? But listen read it from
Speaker 1: the article. Man, here's one thing I want to read
Speaker 1: these two paragraphs to you. They say. In one particularly
Speaker 1: eye catching claim, the petition claims that UMG paid Apple
Speaker 1: to have its voice assistant features Siri, purposely misdirect users
Speaker 1: to Kendrick's song. Online sources reported that when users ask
Speaker 1: Siri to play the album certified lover Boy by Drake,
Speaker 1: SyRI instead played not Like Us, which contains the lyric
Speaker 1: certified pedophile and allegation against Drake. This is what the
Speaker 1: rappers lawyer said.
Speaker 5: What I'm asking also contains the line certified lover boy.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right, that light's.
Speaker 1: In there too.
Speaker 4: So so.
Speaker 1: But here's what I'm asking you is, do you believe
Speaker 1: that's the primary rot motivation for Drake going to this
Speaker 1: point to stop that from circulating out there any more
Speaker 1: than it already has because he was accused of being
Speaker 1: a pedophile.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that Siri thing happened, but if
Speaker 5: it did, or any sort of manipulation, as I said,
Speaker 5: has surely been deployed on behalf of Drake multiple times
Speaker 5: throughout his career. So you know, whatever Kendrick has benefited
Speaker 5: from this situation, Drake has benefited from it many, many,
Speaker 5: many times.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I mean like this would be like the Yankees crying
Speaker 5: about the Dodgers having bigger pockets, Like what are you
Speaker 5: talking about? Like you have been the big pocket a
Speaker 5: baseball for forty years?
Speaker 1: Like what are we talking.
Speaker 2: About right now?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's very trumpion in that when
Speaker 5: Trump lost in twenty twenty, he was like, mm, it's
Speaker 5: the numbers, it's the counters, it's the machines. And that's
Speaker 5: what Drake is he lost and He's like, Oh, they
Speaker 5: miscounted all the machines.
Speaker 2: That's what really happened here?
Speaker 1: Well, no, dude, what do you think about this? Because
Speaker 1: when you when you think about UMG right, I got,
Speaker 1: I got some notes in front of me. According to
Speaker 1: a Business Inside An article from two thousand than sixteen,
Speaker 1: these are the top ten biggest record label deals record
Speaker 1: deals rather of all time, ranked before Drake's four hundred
Speaker 1: million dollar deal. This is before Drake's four hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar deal in twenty twenty two. Michael Jackson at two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million in twenty ten, U two at
Speaker 1: two hundred million in nineteen ninety three, Lil Wayne at
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million and twenty twelve, Jay Z
Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty million in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen at one hundred and fifty million in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, A Dell at one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: million in twenty sixteen, Robbie Williams at one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five million in two thousand and two, Madonna at
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million in twenty twelve, Whitney Houston
Speaker 1: at one hundred million in two thousand and one, and
Speaker 1: Prints at one hundred million in nineteen ninety Two, when
Speaker 1: you considered Drake's four hundred million dollar Universal deal, which
Speaker 1: was reported as being one of the biggest deals of
Speaker 1: not the biggest deal in music history. Is it possible
Speaker 1: that UMG and others may be guilty of what he
Speaker 1: is asserting and because of the money he gets from
Speaker 1: now and the money he was in line to get
Speaker 1: from them, that indeed nego it was a negotiating ploy
Speaker 1: on their part which forced Drake's hand. Is that is
Speaker 1: that a sensible argument for Drake to try and make.
Speaker 2: I don't I really don't know.
Speaker 4: I really don't know.
Speaker 5: You have gone beyond by understanding of the legal parameters
Speaker 5: of all this to be able to.
Speaker 2: Assess something like that.
Speaker 5: I think part of what we see with Drake's deal
Speaker 5: is two things. One thing is inflation, right, it's a
Speaker 5: different time. But also there are fewer superstars in the
Speaker 5: music world than there have been in the past, So
Speaker 5: somebody like Drake is even more valuable to a UMG
Speaker 5: than he would have been ten or twenty years ago.
Speaker 5: There are fewer people who can move gigantic units, and
Speaker 5: he's basically taken care of the company, right. He is
Speaker 5: the big rain maker. I mean, like they aren't going
Speaker 5: broke on the salary. So if they're paying Drake five
Speaker 5: hundred million, how much are they profiting off of drink?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Like, it's got to be a multiple above that. And
Speaker 5: everybody in the music business gets fleeced nobody because this
Speaker 5: is how much an artist told me this This is
Speaker 5: how you can pay. The music business is it's like
Speaker 5: your boss gets your check.
Speaker 2: You don't get to see it.
Speaker 5: Your boss tells you this is what you made and
Speaker 5: then pays you out of that because you could never
Speaker 5: ever see the actual accounting from the from the actual numbers.
Speaker 5: Like you, that would never ever happen, so you never
Speaker 5: really know. One famous artist told me once the label
Speaker 5: owes me between five and ten million dollars, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: wait a minute, that.
Speaker 1: Is a giganton outrage.
Speaker 5: Between obi five or ten Like those are two entirely
Speaker 5: different conversations.
Speaker 1: Yeahs, last couple of questions because I gotta get down
Speaker 1: of here, and I thank you so much for you
Speaker 1: Tom tour Ray, How does this all make Kendrick Lamar
Speaker 1: look at this particular moment in time and do you
Speaker 1: feel there's no way on earth that he cannot perform?
Speaker 1: Not like us at the super Bowl after this, of course.
Speaker 5: He's gonna perform not like us. It is the biggest
Speaker 5: song of the year. It's the biggest song he's ever had.
Speaker 5: You know, they might do it three or four times
Speaker 5: in a row, like they did it the Pop Out.
Speaker 5: I think Kendrick thinks this is hysterical. He's got an
Speaker 5: album that was that's fresh out. The album is hot
Speaker 5: to death. Hip hop heads are like, this album is incredible.
Speaker 2: We're grinding on this album.
Speaker 5: We're doing the knowledge on this album because when Kendrick
Speaker 5: dropped the project, you gotta like dive deep and pull
Speaker 5: out the dictionary and Google and try to figure out
Speaker 5: all these things to see like what he's doing, and
Speaker 5: like you gotta have it like a literature degree. So
Speaker 5: we're doing all that knowledge on Kendrick. Well, Drake is
Speaker 5: doing this. He's at a courthouse, so filing a suit.
Speaker 2: What do you do it, buddy? He could not have
Speaker 2: played this worse. It's you know, it's giving. I'd like
Speaker 2: to speak to the manager.
Speaker 1: It's giving.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna snitch on the corporation. I'm gonna call hr
Speaker 5: on Kendrick, Like it's just the cordeiest move ever in
Speaker 5: the history of battling.
Speaker 1: And what kind of thing and what kind of consequences
Speaker 1: do you think Drake will pay for this? Last question,
Speaker 1: what kind of consequences do you think healing curve for
Speaker 1: this in the hip hop community? From the hip hop
Speaker 1: community directly, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think you see it like right away, Like it
Speaker 5: doesn't happen like a lightning bolt, But it just erodes
Speaker 5: the fan base. It erodes the fan base and more,
Speaker 5: like you know, like a rock on the ocean, Like
Speaker 5: it just erodes more and more over time. A famous
Speaker 5: rapper one said to me, you don't retire from hip hop,
Speaker 5: the audience retires you. And I imagine at some point
Speaker 5: it'll be like there just isn't the energy in the
Speaker 5: air for Drake anymore.
Speaker 2: He's still a big artist.
Speaker 5: He's gonna drop an album probably some point next year.
Speaker 5: It'll go platinum. He'll still be able to tour. But
Speaker 5: you know, it just starts to shrink a little bit,
Speaker 5: Like you get the core fan base, but not other
Speaker 5: people because they're like, yo, this this man is corny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weak. It's weak, Torrey. I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: my brother, thank you so much for taking time out
Speaker 1: of your schedule to hop on with me at the
Speaker 1: last moment. Notice, man, I really appreciate you taking you
Speaker 1: all right, thank you? Peace?
Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: we'll break down his latest project in some of his
Speaker 1: favorite leading ladies. But first, the NBA is considering a
Speaker 1: change to the all Star game format, and I'm placing
Speaker 1: the blame squarely on the play as Yes I am.
Speaker 1: That's next right here on the Steven Nate Smith Show.
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Speaker 1: be choosing from the Thanksgiving games that we'll all be watching.
Speaker 1: First up, Detroit Lions quarterback Jared Goff up against the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears defense more or less than two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty nine and a half passing yards. It's Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: He's still varing for League MVP honors. He's got a
Speaker 1: balance running attack, he's got balance at the wide receiver spot,
Speaker 1: and Lo Portie's got an elite tight end. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with him more on this particular situation because Detroit's
Speaker 1: the best team in football, and even though the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears are up and coming, I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: ready for that yet. Next up, Bears signal caller Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick facing the line, second deary
Speaker 1: more or less than two hundred and twenty eight and
Speaker 1: a half passing yards. I'm gonna go with more on
Speaker 1: this one too. I don't know about everybody else, but
Speaker 1: I like Kayleib Williams. The brothers got size, he's got mobility,
Speaker 1: he's got a strong arm. He can make all the
Speaker 1: requisite throws. I think the head coach lost at least
Speaker 1: two games for them, at least two games they came
Speaker 1: down to the wire, hell Mary against Washington and than
Speaker 1: obviously the other week. I look at them, I think
Speaker 1: they got a chance and I tell you something right now.
Speaker 1: I like Kayler Williams a lot. I think he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. Jaden Daniels is no joke with
Speaker 1: the Commanders, and I get that part. But Kayler Williams
Speaker 1: can ball, and I think his future looks bright. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me move on to the next one. We have
Speaker 1: Cowboys quarterback Cooper Rush playing the New York Giants more
Speaker 1: or less the toryges seven and a half passing yards.
Speaker 1: It's against the Giants, y'all, don't ask me silly asked questions.
Speaker 1: It's against the Giants. Hell I could possibly throw for
Speaker 1: more than two hundred and seven yards against the Giants. Finally,
Speaker 1: we have Tommy d as in Giants quarterback Tommy DeVito
Speaker 1: facing the Cowboys more or less than one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy seven and a half yards passing for him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go less. You got a wide receiver in neighbors
Speaker 1: that is disgusted with the team. You don't have any
Speaker 1: other requisite weapons to point to. Okay, you're going up
Speaker 1: against the Cowboy team feeling themselves because they just beat
Speaker 1: the Commanders. You're just looking at things in the way
Speaker 1: they're unfolding right now. Everything is nose diving for the
Speaker 1: New York Giants. By the way, idulations to Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: I don't know why the hell ESPN called it breaking news.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones going to the Minnesota Vikings as a backup
Speaker 1: to Sam Donald, that's breaking news, damn. That tells you
Speaker 1: what we need to know about the industry. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: having said all of that, the video against the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I think they're feeling themselves. They're gonna show up and
Speaker 1: they're gonna limit him the less passing yards than that.
Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of Prospects. I hope y'all
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Remember more and more and more and less.
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Speaker 1: You heard me, Welcome back to the stephen Ate Smith Show.
Speaker 1: I want to get to the NBA and the changes
Speaker 1: reportedly coming to the All Star Game. Sources tell ESPN
Speaker 1: the league wants to introduce a new fourteen tournament style
Speaker 1: format this season that's expected to have two semi final
Speaker 1: games played to forty, with the winners advancing to the
Speaker 1: final match played to twenty five. The event would be
Speaker 1: the first of its kind. Expect to have competition that
Speaker 1: resembles pick up games in an effort to curtail lackluster
Speaker 1: performances seen in recent years. Again, according to ESPN, the
Speaker 1: NBA was in serious discussions to have three All Star
Speaker 1: teams of eight players each and the winner of the
Speaker 1: Rising Stars Game take part in an All Star Game tournament.
Speaker 1: I hate it. I have no use for it. It
Speaker 1: means absolutely positively nothing to me. Matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: don't even want to go. I'm gonna call it what
Speaker 1: it is. It's straight bullshit, it really is. Let me
Speaker 1: tell y'all something, Okay, Nobody should expect the players on
Speaker 1: All Stars Sunday to play as hard as they play
Speaker 1: during the regular season or the playoffs. I understand that.
Speaker 1: But you're trying to tell me you can't play as
Speaker 1: hard as you play in the summer time, when you're
Speaker 1: working out to get yourself. You can't do that. We've
Speaker 1: seen plenty of footage for the just of NBA players
Speaker 1: working out in the offseason, practicing in gyms, going up
Speaker 1: against one of the one another. They play harder than
Speaker 1: we see what we see on Sundays for All Star weekend.
Speaker 1: How come you can't do that for the All Star Game? Now,
Speaker 1: from everything that I'm being told, you know what the
Speaker 1: problem is, y'all. It's the sponsors and advertisers because the
Speaker 1: league caters to them, and the NBA players don't get
Speaker 1: anything out of it. I had somebody text me this,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna share with y'all right now to make
Speaker 1: sure that we go with it. Okay, to make sure
Speaker 1: that y'all know what I'm talking about. Okay, it says
Speaker 1: here is deeper than that. Stephen A. Players know that
Speaker 1: the league does all of this for their corporate partners.
Speaker 1: They're paid heavily for this weekend, and the players can't
Speaker 1: even get decent seats for their families. They feel like
Speaker 1: this is some bullshit. They're like, we have to show
Speaker 1: up for this stuff, but we don't have to play. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what he said. They got fifty one different part
Speaker 1: and it's fair enough to school and the players want
Speaker 1: to talk about, well, we ain't getting any of that. Well,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars a piece goes to the winner
Speaker 1: of the All Star Game. Twenty five thousand dollars go
Speaker 1: to the loser according to the CBA. I guess you
Speaker 1: can bring stuff like that up, but that ain't even
Speaker 1: a point. There's a multi billion dollar league. You got
Speaker 1: cats in the league worth over one hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: worth of a five hundred million dollars worth of a
Speaker 1: billion dollars. You can't show just a little bit of
Speaker 1: effort in front of a packed house, inside of arena,
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty thousand press stars at press roll all over
Speaker 1: the place. You can't just play ball like you playing
Speaker 1: ball in the offseason. That's where it gets a bit extreme.
Speaker 1: That's where it gets a bit extreme. This's an eleven year,
Speaker 1: seventy seven billion dollar deal that was just agreed to
Speaker 1: that kicks in for next season. Players are getting that
Speaker 1: fifty percent of that. You can't show up. I mean,
Speaker 1: the effort has been lackluster. And don't get me started
Speaker 1: with that sorry ass slam dunk contest. I swear to Lord,
Speaker 1: I want to sponsor my own slam dunk contest station wide.
Speaker 1: I could do a better job. And I'm not blaming
Speaker 1: the NBA one bit. I'm blaming the players. You can't
Speaker 1: play as hard as you play while working out in
Speaker 1: the summer. Really, you're just gonna have a glorified layup
Speaker 1: line all Star weekend. Really, really, That's why I was
Speaker 1: so proud of Steph Curry when he went over against
Speaker 1: the Brina and Escuul in a three point shooting contests.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to do that, but he's the elite
Speaker 1: shoot of the game has ever seen, and he was
Speaker 1: going up against one of the great shooters in the WNBA.
Speaker 1: And I hope Caitlyn Clark does it in the future
Speaker 1: and Klay Thompson gets in on it and other people.
Speaker 1: I hope all of that happens. It promotes the game.
Speaker 1: Rising tide lifts all boats. But when you think about
Speaker 1: previous players, when you think about Jordan and Dominique and
Speaker 1: and and and Isaiah and Magic and everybody else, and
Speaker 1: how they will perform for All Star Weekends, and then
Speaker 1: you see the absence of pride and fervor and vigor
Speaker 1: from today's players. You got yours, Huh, You got yours
Speaker 1: so you don't have to care. And see, then I'm
Speaker 1: an asshole, I'm a clown. I'm a jerk because I
Speaker 1: point stuff like this out facts. But I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous, just ridiculous jump shots from half court.
Speaker 1: Even though Damian Lilla made one, steph Curry made another.
Speaker 1: But damn, it's a joke. I have no desire. I
Speaker 1: love basketball. I wouldn't be where I am today if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the NBA. I am incredibly grateful and
Speaker 1: I love the job that Adam Silva has done. I
Speaker 1: love him as a commissioner, I love well, you know
Speaker 1: what the NBA has done overall. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there that have been turned off by
Speaker 1: the NBA product. It's still big time and social media.
Speaker 1: It's still big time in the digital stratosphere, but on
Speaker 1: linear television is a reason for that. People got better
Speaker 1: things to do with their time because they can tell
Speaker 1: when people ain't giving max effort. I'm just saying, y'all,
Speaker 1: somebody got to say it, so I said it. Coming
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Steven A. Smith Show. I couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to have my next guest next to me in studio.
Speaker 1: You see him or you've seen them more Broadway, in television,
Speaker 1: in film, How Stella Got up? Groove back All American? Okay,
Speaker 1: the Best Man one two, as far as the one
Speaker 1: two and three, because I don't think codemn it is one,
Speaker 1: two and three right. The list goes on. Brown Sugar
Speaker 1: can't forget all of that. He's here to talk about
Speaker 1: some new projects he's involved in as well. The one
Speaker 1: and Only Tay Diggs in the house, My brother. What
Speaker 1: an influences man. How's it really going, man, it's going well.
Speaker 3: I've heard that you own all this and that that
Speaker 3: makes me that that warms my heart. Manly, Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: Now that we are coming up as a group and
Speaker 3: starting to take responsibility and ownership, that's good for you, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate man, Thank you so much. But you know what,
Speaker 1: you too damn shabby yourself. You're doing some big things.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about what you're about to do. Right now.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing something about a new talent competition series coming up.
Speaker 1: Talk about that for a second, Yes, sir, thank you.
Speaker 3: I've always loved watching you know, American Idol and The
Speaker 3: Voice and America's Got Talent. I've always wanted to be
Speaker 3: a judge on one of these programs because I think
Speaker 3: I have what it takes to uh to uh, you know,
Speaker 3: to lend my my talent and experience never been asked
Speaker 3: and uh, miraculously this this uh, this, this opportunity presented itself.
Speaker 3: It's called Second Chance Stage. And me and two other judges,
Speaker 3: we are blessed enough to watch all these people who
Speaker 3: have another opportunity at their big dream. So for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: they had to postpone whatever talents they were gifted and
Speaker 3: uh and deal with life. Some people had to take
Speaker 3: care of you know, sick family members or you know
Speaker 3: people that that had died, or you know, they ran
Speaker 3: into money issues, so they have to postpone their.
Speaker 1: Dream or dream deferred.
Speaker 3: We give them another chance, and the stories are amazing.
Speaker 3: You know, we get to judge them, we get to
Speaker 3: give them suggestions, but to hear the stories that these
Speaker 3: people have been through, it's quite emotional and I'm very
Speaker 3: excited about the show.
Speaker 1: What kind of a judge is you going to be?
Speaker 1: Because remember, you know, back in the day when they
Speaker 1: had American I m stuff like youse sees simic collus
Speaker 1: he just looking at people you don't have it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just don't have no chance whatsoever, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: What kind of judge are you gonna be? I won't lie.
Speaker 3: I want it to be that kind of judge, but
Speaker 3: I'm too emotional. I don't know if it's my age
Speaker 3: or the fact that i'm my father. I just I
Speaker 3: hear these people's stories in it, and it gives me
Speaker 3: a completely different perspective. So I'm far more empathetic than
Speaker 3: I thought I would be. I mean, I tell them
Speaker 3: like it is, but you know, I can't help it.
Speaker 1: Be affected by what these people have to say and
Speaker 1: what kind of stories. I mean when you talk about
Speaker 1: being a storytell and telling their stories, because you basically
Speaker 1: justifying the fact that they're getting the second change essentially right.
Speaker 1: These stories give us an idea of how compelling some
Speaker 1: of these stories are. One art, it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: There was this one woman who she's a stand up
Speaker 3: comic and was everything was going her way. She was
Speaker 3: hitting other clubs in the city and then her mother,
Speaker 3: I think she was hit with dementia, so she had
Speaker 3: to completely pull out. And it's also just a testament
Speaker 3: to you know, the quality of life that these people
Speaker 3: have where they put themselves second and they put their
Speaker 3: you know, the people that are important to them first.
Speaker 3: So she, uh, this comedian, she just you know, stopped
Speaker 3: doing what she was doing and started living with her mother.
Speaker 3: And finally, once her mother was on the right track
Speaker 3: and she she started to have those thoughts again, maybe
Speaker 3: I should give this another shot.
Speaker 1: When would you what's your most memorable second chance? All
Speaker 1: of us have receeen second chances in life in some point,
Speaker 1: in some capacity. When you think about yourself, your life,
Speaker 1: what would you what would you qualify as a second chance.
Speaker 4: I was, I thought you stumped me just now.
Speaker 3: But my son, my son, to me, is is the
Speaker 3: ultimate second chance, because uh, you know, just living life
Speaker 3: with with my first marriage and these relationships, I can
Speaker 3: see where where I could have maybe stepped differently or
Speaker 3: or or or you know, acted more a little bit
Speaker 3: more intelligently or with my heart and my son is
Speaker 3: that is that second chance. He's he represents to me
Speaker 3: all of all of the good So thank you for
Speaker 3: asking me that that that makes me look at that
Speaker 3: relationship and in a different Well, you.
Speaker 1: Can't just met you your son. I mean that brother
Speaker 1: wants to shine. How digs little hooper, little point guard.
Speaker 3: He's uh, you know, we reclassed so we could get bigger.
Speaker 3: You know he's got as private private coach James and
Speaker 3: you know training his muscles.
Speaker 4: Jay.
Speaker 3: We we got a hold. He's got a whole crew
Speaker 3: behind him.
Speaker 1: That's actually going to be very very helpful because when
Speaker 1: you're young and you're doing it. When you're young, they
Speaker 1: not only teach you how to build muscle, get streacted,
Speaker 1: what have you. They also teach you about stuff you
Speaker 1: need to avoid. I walk around in my fifties down
Speaker 1: with knee injuries because I was playing on cement all
Speaker 1: of those years and stuff like that. You know, they
Speaker 1: guard you against that in this day and age. So
Speaker 1: I think that's very very helpful. But getting back to you,
Speaker 1: I want you to take a moment to really reflect
Speaker 1: on all the work that you have done. As you
Speaker 1: reflect on your career and what you've been able to achieve,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about where you are now and
Speaker 1: the road you had to travel to get here?
Speaker 3: You're good man good, I feel I feel good. It
Speaker 3: took me a minute because you know, in my day
Speaker 3: and age, we grew.
Speaker 4: Up and it was like white Hollywood and black Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And for the longest time, you know, we were taught
Speaker 3: Black Hollywood wasn't enough so I would be making it.
Speaker 4: But then I would and.
Speaker 3: I would be proud and I would have pride. But
Speaker 3: then it was always like, Okay, I want to be
Speaker 3: like Wilson. I got a break, I got a cross over,
Speaker 3: got a cross over. And it wasn't until just recently
Speaker 3: where now I'm old enough to really appreciate, you know,
Speaker 3: young people coming up to me saying you were in
Speaker 3: the classics, like, you know, I grew up watching my
Speaker 3: mother watch you, and now I'm watching you and now
Speaker 3: I want to be an actor, or now I want
Speaker 3: to do this or that. But but realizing that, you know,
Speaker 3: the work that we've done has an effect on people,
Speaker 3: and now I'm proud of that. You know, where it
Speaker 3: used to just be let's climb, let's climb, let's climb
Speaker 3: until I'm I'm I'm good, as they say, But now
Speaker 3: it's different, and I'm very very proud.
Speaker 1: I'm very proud so you never took time to smell
Speaker 1: the roses until.
Speaker 3: No, we were taught, you know, you know, just keep moving,
Speaker 3: you know, just uh, you know, my mom would say,
Speaker 3: And now I'm realizing other other parents would tell their
Speaker 3: children this. You gotta be like you gotta be five
Speaker 3: times as good as as they are. And if you're
Speaker 3: trying to be five times as good, there's no time.
Speaker 4: To smell the roses. You're too You're you're too.
Speaker 3: Busy trying to be five times as good as the
Speaker 3: next person.
Speaker 1: So now I'm still on my hustle.
Speaker 3: But but I'm not I'm not letting that pass. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm appreciating. I'm listening, you know, to the to the compliment.
Speaker 1: Did you ever take a moment to define or classify
Speaker 1: what exactly was five times better as you were on
Speaker 1: that grind? Because a lot of times I feel, I know,
Speaker 1: in my life, when I'm on that grind, just like
Speaker 1: you just finished talking about, you get lost because all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's like, well, what's really what's really success?
Speaker 1: I thought this was success and then I achieved it,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel fulfilled. All right, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: after this, but damn it, I got it, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel fulfilling. What is it? What? What did qualify
Speaker 1: that five.
Speaker 3: Times better for me? Another great question for me? What
Speaker 3: I could control was and I used to get fun
Speaker 3: of it. I used to I used to get made
Speaker 3: fun of how I how I presented myself. So my
Speaker 3: mother was a teacher, so I would listen to how
Speaker 3: she would speak. She made sure I was reading all
Speaker 3: the right books. I would watch how they they would
Speaker 3: talk and interact.
Speaker 4: With each other. So I had that. I had that down.
Speaker 3: No one was ever gonna come to me saying, you know,
Speaker 3: well he doesn't really speak. I got made fun of
Speaker 3: people just say I spoke white. But if you put
Speaker 3: me in a room with white people and they could
Speaker 3: have mess with me, you know what I mean? I
Speaker 3: knew I held myself accordingly. And you know what I
Speaker 3: looked about. My mother She used you know, prominent African Americans,
Speaker 3: Sidney Poitier, Harry Belafonte, you know, and she was like,
Speaker 3: you need to be like this, you need to be
Speaker 3: like these people. That's that's that's that's that is what
Speaker 3: is required of you. So so once I got that
Speaker 3: under my belt, it was a trip with you know,
Speaker 3: my identity because the casts from the hood they didn't
Speaker 3: really get it at the time, you know, so I
Speaker 3: was there was always this disparity of I'm like you,
Speaker 3: but you're not accepting me. But then you think I'm
Speaker 3: trying to be like them, but I'm trying to move
Speaker 3: us forward. There was a whole bunch of that, and
Speaker 3: it was thanks to people like you, me seeing cats
Speaker 3: that you know are cool but then still articulate, and
Speaker 3: you know, growing up it was it was rough, but
Speaker 3: luckily the right people were in front of me.
Speaker 4: And you know, I really feel.
Speaker 3: Like the universe, you know, kind of laid a path
Speaker 3: for me that everything now is starting to make sense
Speaker 3: and I can, you know, relay this to my son
Speaker 3: and he gets it.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what you just finished explaining, and depression
Speaker 1: and what you do to really qualify, just establishing yourself
Speaker 1: as one of the best, if not the best, having
Speaker 1: that peer pressure trying to sort of pull you back
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. There's a lot of cats out
Speaker 1: there who wish they accomplished half of what you've accomplished,
Speaker 1: particularly in the act, you know, in the world of
Speaker 1: acting and what have you. I'm wondering what advice would
Speaker 1: you give to them based on the experience that you've
Speaker 1: had to endure and ultimately overcome in order for them
Speaker 1: to have a chance at succeeding in today's day and
Speaker 1: work because times have changed so much over the last.
Speaker 4: Couple of decades.
Speaker 3: I would say, keep your head down, keep moving, and
Speaker 3: I would say listen to your uh, your inner voice,
Speaker 3: and keep the energy, keep keep moving forward, because a
Speaker 3: lot of people will stop me, you know, at a
Speaker 3: street corner, outside of an interview whatever, and say do
Speaker 3: you have any advice for someone? And I never asked anybody,
Speaker 3: and we didn't have time. We just moved forward. So
Speaker 3: part of me wants to say, if you're worried about
Speaker 3: what somebody else is going to tell you, your head's
Speaker 3: not in the right place, keep moving. When you keep moving,
Speaker 3: you'll you'll find yourself, you know, next to other people
Speaker 3: that well, you can just watch them. You don't have
Speaker 3: to ask, you can just watch. I like how this
Speaker 3: cat's moving, I like how this category it was. This
Speaker 3: dude is talking about sports. Listen to his vocabulary. Okay,
Speaker 3: I can speak like.
Speaker 1: That, you know what I mean. But when people are
Speaker 1: it's sedentary. What's that mean? When you're when you don't,
Speaker 1: when you staggering.
Speaker 3: Those are the ones that are like, well, what can
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 1: What can you do? You should be already doing it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I like the cats that are like I see you
Speaker 3: at the top.
Speaker 1: I like them cat. I don't like the cat that's
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna take your spot. See now you're ignorance. Now,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing a damn thing to help you because
Speaker 1: you're trying to take my job. You ain't trying to
Speaker 1: join me, You're trying to replace me. That's just a
Speaker 1: dumb thing to it, don't you What did you say?
Speaker 1: What you say? Hey?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: You know I like that better than not moving at all.
Speaker 1: That's fair, you know what I mean? I like that.
Speaker 1: And then then they're not not moving at all.
Speaker 3: At least you're moving because you know energy will come
Speaker 3: back to you.
Speaker 1: What's the best role you've played?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: It's corny, but I'm like, oh, father, you know what
Speaker 3: I had to play?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: I had to play the dressing drag headwigging the angry inch,
Speaker 3: this crazy play where it had to be in high
Speaker 3: heels and a wig and make it was. I had
Speaker 3: to sing, I had to dance I had to act.
Speaker 3: It was on Broadway. That was crazy. And then uh,
Speaker 3: but then there's the you know the best man that
Speaker 3: just that crew.
Speaker 4: It's like going back to school.
Speaker 1: Morris Chestnut, you know, I mean, Lord, have mercy. I mean,
Speaker 1: just bring it back. Memories, you just bring it back memories.
Speaker 1: Stella House, Stella got a groove back. That was the
Speaker 1: first one. I mean, that was with Angela. I mean
Speaker 1: it was we must we must acknowledge. That was with
Speaker 1: Angela Basseid you understand.
Speaker 3: What did that do for your Carol Man? Well, that
Speaker 3: I was right on I was right on schedule. For me,
Speaker 3: that was like the universe telling me, all, I keep moving,
Speaker 3: You're you're on the right path. I learned so much
Speaker 3: from from her and whoopy and uh and I just
Speaker 3: knew the keep to keep going, mm to keep going.
Speaker 1: What when you say you learned so much from them?
Speaker 1: What was it? S?
Speaker 3: They acted like they belonged there, you know, and this
Speaker 3: was Uh. I wasn't used to that, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we were raised you know, not
Speaker 3: not not to say that they weren't polite, but when
Speaker 3: they when they were on set, it you could tell
Speaker 3: it was their set and and you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: tough coming up where y you want to be polite
Speaker 3: and you wanna make sure you're humble. You know, you
Speaker 3: read the Bible and you say turn the other cheek
Speaker 3: and you don't wanna speak too loudly or come off rude.
Speaker 4: But you know, I saw at that early age that.
Speaker 3: These were strong, black, prominent women who uh were to
Speaker 3: be taken very seriously.
Speaker 4: And that was that that mental life.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring that up because obviously I
Speaker 1: know Na Long a little bit. She's been absolutely wonderful
Speaker 1: to my daughter. I really really treasure her. Angela Bassett
Speaker 1: is a legend in this business. And you would hear
Speaker 1: like you just said, you know, they owned the set
Speaker 1: and like they didn't take any mess, they didn't play
Speaker 1: any they didn't play any games. You weren't going to
Speaker 1: bully them push them around. That You hear the same
Speaker 1: thing about the Denzels of the world, the Morgan Freeman's
Speaker 1: of the world. You know, you hear stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I've even heard stuff like that about you. And I
Speaker 1: used to go like this, that meaning brother don't play.
Speaker 1: I mean that mean he about his business and you better,
Speaker 1: you better be about your business. Don't be a prop
Speaker 1: all right? I mean, do you like having that reputation?
Speaker 1: Is this something that an actor or you know or
Speaker 1: an actress is leery about because it could potentially affect
Speaker 1: your work? What about that? It could?
Speaker 3: It could, especially with women, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And then with with black women. You know, there's this
Speaker 3: there's this idea that you know when when a woman
Speaker 3: is uh direct, that she is a be you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But but it's slowly, it's slowly changing,
Speaker 3: and I love to see it. I love to see it.
Speaker 3: I love I love a strong Let's.
Speaker 1: Get back to the best Man because it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite vocal I mean, I mean my favorite, my favorite.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw this at you. My favorite
Speaker 1: scene was when Morris what Morris Chestnut? Who check you're
Speaker 1: saying in the first one right and about to throw
Speaker 1: you over the damn balcony. His wife was my favorite
Speaker 1: seed because Terrence Hower comes up and.
Speaker 6: There he and he goes like this, al bab, al bab,
Speaker 6: you ain't gonna do that, baby, you ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 6: You gonna marry a beautiful woman, a woman that loves
Speaker 6: you and only you.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like, yo, I mean you, I
Speaker 1: mean that was my favorite character and the best man
Speaker 1: because he was he said, coming, don't come back, desk
Speaker 1: Joe lbab. Oh, it's hilarious. It was hilarious, you know that.
Speaker 1: I love I absolutely love that movie. How do you
Speaker 1: compare the three the three best minutes? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, they they they It happens on its own, it
Speaker 3: really does. Once I get in the same room with them,
Speaker 3: we immediately just uh it's like riding a bike, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And uh, we those characters just
Speaker 3: come right back to it. And thank god, the writing
Speaker 3: is such that, you know, we just have to say
Speaker 3: the words and and and show up and everything else
Speaker 3: kind of happens.
Speaker 1: Is it true that the wonderful, nice, mild mannered Neil
Speaker 1: Lounge slapped the living in that scene? That is that true?
Speaker 4: So true? That was that was That was a good
Speaker 4: lesson for me to Yeah, a lesson to be now just.
Speaker 1: For everybody to notice or try to interject. But that
Speaker 1: was after you got your ass kicked by more right,
Speaker 1: and then you were because you were supposed to be
Speaker 1: getting with Nere that night. You understand, you were supposed
Speaker 1: to be cheating on Sonati and then and then after
Speaker 1: that you came back to the house, but you were
Speaker 1: all beat up and she was all in the mood,
Speaker 1: ready to go friends, you know, and you just ruined everything.
Speaker 1: So she really slapped you.
Speaker 4: She did.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't it wasn't scripted.
Speaker 3: Wow, And you know, I just come out of drama
Speaker 3: school and I was just so so so she.
Speaker 1: Would not tell me ahead of time.
Speaker 3: But it was one of the best choices, one of
Speaker 3: the best choices that was made in that film. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 3: sometimes you just gotta, you know, improvise and go with
Speaker 3: you what you feel.
Speaker 1: You brought up black women, and you talked about the
Speaker 1: roles and the perceptions that they have in the stigmas
Speaker 1: they have to fight off and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: I imagine working with your own people who look like you,
Speaker 1: share your cultural identity, et cetera, et cetera, can be
Speaker 1: a huge plus. But some would say it's also a
Speaker 1: plus to work with folks who are very, very different,
Speaker 1: because it forces you to display your range. Yes, which
Speaker 1: brings me to all American yes, okay, And I'm wondering
Speaker 1: juxtaposon or comparing the two. Being amongst the cast and
Speaker 1: Crew with Best Man compared to All American? Was there
Speaker 1: a distinct difference. Did it call for a different challenge
Speaker 1: for you? Oh? Sure, sure, I mean it is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: You know, it's different when when you're working with family, right,
Speaker 3: when you're with people that are just nice. But uh
Speaker 3: but it's always uh lending itself to to to improvement,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: All American was greatest because it was so diverse.
Speaker 3: It was so diverse and a lot of what we
Speaker 3: were dealing with on the on the program, these were
Speaker 3: issues that people have to deal with in real life,
Speaker 3: having to deal with diversity and race and you know, uh, identity,
Speaker 3: all of that. So it was it was a real
Speaker 3: was a real blessing.
Speaker 1: Did you like being a football coach?
Speaker 7: I did?
Speaker 3: I did you know, I consider myself athletic, not an athlete.
Speaker 3: My kid is an athlete, but I got to kind
Speaker 3: of pretend and uh and when he was coming up,
Speaker 3: we would watch the show together and he would correct
Speaker 3: me and plays.
Speaker 4: It was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: How did that assist you with your parenting of your kid,
Speaker 1: who you say as an athlete? Very very much?
Speaker 3: So, just seeing how I was forced to watch other
Speaker 3: coaches and and you know, we have a wonderful supporting
Speaker 3: cast that did stunts and hearing those stories.
Speaker 1: My assistant Troy.
Speaker 3: Troy Brookins played in the in the the NFL, and
Speaker 3: he had to tell me, you know what, how how.
Speaker 4: He was raised.
Speaker 3: And so now I have this all these different people
Speaker 3: to draw from and apply that to to parents. And
Speaker 3: because as you know, athletes they're built different, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, And you gotta I gotta treat him different.
Speaker 3: He's got a he's got a mind, and he's hungry.
Speaker 3: So I gotta let that animal out. So I'm not
Speaker 3: you know, there are times when I'm a little bit
Speaker 3: less disciplinary and I let him get get a little
Speaker 3: big on on on the court and let you know,
Speaker 3: let him kind of roar.
Speaker 1: And how old is he doing?
Speaker 4: Fifteen?
Speaker 1: Okay, so no he's not. He's not of age yet
Speaker 1: where he could drink.
Speaker 3: Alcohol is no, no, no, no, But he can he
Speaker 3: can show he shoulders me like I can feel his weight,
Speaker 3: I can feel his way to when I'm in the
Speaker 3: kitchen and he's passing me.
Speaker 1: I was asking that question. I was asking that question
Speaker 1: because I'm reading about some bourbon that you got right now,
Speaker 1: I mean I was wondering about that. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you know, you you out there doing that thing, and
Speaker 1: Dan's got some bourbon to market and promote. People gonna
Speaker 1: take a sip of that. But you know that's what
Speaker 1: I'm asking about. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yes, me, Harold's Parano, More's chesting up uh and uh
Speaker 3: and Malcolm malcolmy Lee we uh ownership. We we have this,
Speaker 3: this this bourbon sable.
Speaker 1: More smooth brothers over the bourbon la y'all do y'all
Speaker 1: what y'all trying to do?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: What trying to do out there?
Speaker 3: Trying to explore, you know, stretch out you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, expand I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I know that. And one of the other things that
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up with something that you got
Speaker 1: going on with Anthony Anderson, because I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is the whole, the real, the fox is the
Speaker 1: real full Monty. I need you to talk about that
Speaker 1: for a quick second too, because I mean, literally, there's
Speaker 1: no exaggeration these people showing the ass. It's showing the ass.
Speaker 1: I mean, explain explain this what's going over.
Speaker 3: Us all for a good cause for cancer awareness? Me,
Speaker 3: Anthony Anderson, you know, Tyler Posy, you know, a bunch
Speaker 3: of people got together and we do a dance that's
Speaker 3: choreographed where it's the striptease. But we're doing it to
Speaker 3: make people more aware and to hopefully convince folks to
Speaker 3: get out there and get tested for testicular and colon
Speaker 3: cancer or nothing.
Speaker 4: Of course, we need it.
Speaker 1: We needed the thing that really, you know, I remember
Speaker 1: when it was a scene and you know, in the
Speaker 1: Best Man, when you had your shirt off and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and neo lungs just looking at you like, Lord,
Speaker 1: have mercy. And I often wondered where people like yourself
Speaker 1: and others who are in Hollywood and in shape, you know,
Speaker 1: the male model, I call them Zoolander. It's more age
Speaker 1: chest nothing. This is a true story. I'm at an
Speaker 1: event right and literally this is the true More's chestnut.
Speaker 1: Michael Ealy, Boris Kojo, Lord Jesse Williams and me not
Speaker 1: damn it. If there was ever a place that I
Speaker 1: found out a place, it was that I'm like I said,
Speaker 1: you know what I said, Man, I look horrible compared
Speaker 1: to this crowd right here. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: around any of y'all. Right, Now, you got that height. Man,
Speaker 1: do y'all ever think about, I mean, being a sex symbol.
Speaker 1: Do the Fellas pay attention to that? Do you like that?
Speaker 1: Does that make you more money in Hollywood? I'm sure
Speaker 1: it does. I'm sure it does.
Speaker 3: But you know, like I said, I was raised in
Speaker 3: the church and you were always taught to be humbled,
Speaker 3: don't don't think too highly of yourself. And you know,
Speaker 3: I started out really scrawny and skinny and insecure. So
Speaker 3: I've had to build myself up. And then sometimes you
Speaker 3: know when when when you're really successful or when you're
Speaker 3: you're you're blessed enough to be successful, you wonder if
Speaker 3: you're even supposed to be there. So I've had to
Speaker 3: do that opposite and just like talk myself up and yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm somebody. I deserve to be here. Does it deserve
Speaker 3: to be standing next to Boris Kojo?
Speaker 1: Does it inspire you to be in the best physical
Speaker 1: condition possible? Is it the work? Is it the perception
Speaker 1: of how you're looked at? Is it the artistry? Or
Speaker 1: is it being a parent to an athlete?
Speaker 4: It's that?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 4: It's that? Yeah, my son inspires me.
Speaker 3: And now he's old enough to kind of poke me
Speaker 3: in my little right minute?
Speaker 1: What's six pack that?
Speaker 3: So let me get this right. You work out so
Speaker 3: you can eat right? And I said, yeah, I said,
Speaker 3: that's that's not the way to do it.
Speaker 4: Pop, leave me.
Speaker 1: Alone, exactly exactly. Look, man, I couldn't let you leave
Speaker 1: out of here because without bringing up a list, because
Speaker 1: I've sort of put together my own list of the
Speaker 1: leading ladies that have worked with Tay Dagg's and I
Speaker 1: sort of rated them in my favorite would you mind
Speaker 1: if I did that? If I did that in front
Speaker 1: of you, we're gonna we're gonna put it right up
Speaker 1: on the board right here. Give me number five on
Speaker 1: the lift, please that I got right there, please. One
Speaker 1: of the elite actresses in the business, no question about it.
Speaker 1: She's hilarious. Yes, she and Regina and Phenomena. Yeah, and Phenomena.
Speaker 1: Oh you see that right there, Lisa Ray. Okay, second movie,
Speaker 1: I got it. But but Lisa Ray was somebody. Now
Speaker 1: you're saying the wood, I'm saying what. I love the
Speaker 1: scene when Pops threatened you he was sitting there when
Speaker 1: he walked up there. Because that's how I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm gonna be that's right now. That Lisa,
Speaker 1: she's something special, right, Okay, let me show you the
Speaker 1: next one right here? Please give it to me. Now
Speaker 1: you see this.
Speaker 3: One, Yeah, you gotta do another something together.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. How do you have the best man
Speaker 1: one the best man Holi Limbs two and then the
Speaker 1: series on Peacock, a eight part series and no time
Speaker 1: then y'all get together. How does that happen?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 7: That's good, righting. They keep you feeding for it, They
Speaker 7: keep you feeding for it. That's a lot of that's
Speaker 7: a lot of feeling. Two movies in an eight part series.
Speaker 7: This is my I thought I.
Speaker 4: Was going to marry her at one point.
Speaker 3: In real life before I met her.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, she is special. I've always been a sonnilated fan.
Speaker 1: She's a marvelous actress, beautiful woman. Now, no, that's number one. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's number one, right there, that's number one. Angela. She's
Speaker 1: in the sixties. That's crazy, she's in her sixties. Courtney Evans,
Speaker 1: brother man, love them, Billy, always shake his hand. Man,
Speaker 1: you're a very he That was my order right there.
Speaker 1: Understand In terms of it could fluctual, it's.
Speaker 3: Fluid, of course, because they are I'm fluid too.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: There we go. I understand with them, understand, I understand
Speaker 1: what's next for you? Oh man?
Speaker 3: Uh, hopefully the second season for this uh second second
Speaker 3: chance stage and Sable getting Sable out there. Uh.
Speaker 4: And we're producing, producing a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: So so producer has become important, yes, like creating ownership right, yeah,
Speaker 1: where I gotta get on that bus. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like Hollywood has sort of opened the doors for those
Speaker 1: opportunities for African Americans in this country?
Speaker 3: I think we kick are kicking it down, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And uh, and slowly, you know, it's changing.
Speaker 3: It's changing. It's not going to be pretty though.
Speaker 1: What could be done by those outside of Hollywood to
Speaker 1: assist in helping them kick those doors.
Speaker 3: In getting on the same side, getting on the same team,
Speaker 3: putting putting your money back, you know, but back into
Speaker 3: into ourselves, you know what I mean? Ownership, like you said,
Speaker 3: making it so we don't have to ask permission.
Speaker 4: We can just show up. Oh, I bought this, this
Speaker 4: is mine. Here we go, we got it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Billy babs Man, Yes, I'm
Speaker 3: saying almost other things. The one and Only Tay Digs
Speaker 3: in the house right here was keeping it on and
Speaker 3: the plage to talk to you, proud of you, proud
Speaker 3: of all.
Speaker 1: The work that you're doing. You've been an incredible role
Speaker 1: model to so many, so many cats out there with
Speaker 1: the wonderful work that you've been doing throughout your illustrious career.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it for me is, as long
Speaker 1: as you've been around, I think you just getting started.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I think big things in the club. So there you go.
Speaker 1: I like to lay that there we go walking up
Speaker 1: here that working your game, work on your game. Your pops,
Speaker 1: regardless of what you want to say, your pops are
Speaker 1: ready to do this thing. You got to do your thing, okay,
Speaker 1: which I know you well, my man. All of that
Speaker 1: one of the only t Digs in the house right
Speaker 1: here and the steven A. Smithshaw. That's it for this
Speaker 1: edition to steven A. Smithshaw. I want to take a
Speaker 1: moment to thank thank Torrey again for coming on and
Speaker 1: talking to us about the whole Drake Kendrick Lamar situation.
Speaker 1: Really really appreciate his level of expertise and of course
Speaker 1: the one and only Tay Digs for sitting right here
Speaker 1: in studio or with me in my studio. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyed that conversation. He is big time. I want
Speaker 1: you to have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I know I'm about to.
Speaker 1: I know I'm about to some turkey wings or some
Speaker 1: candy yams. The stuffing, we love the stuffing. The macaroni
Speaker 1: and cheese, that's automatic. And my Mama biscuits by Abigail,
Speaker 1: my sister Abiga, my Mama biscuits, my my sister abigil
Speaker 1: did absolutely positively delicious. That was some football. I can't
Speaker 1: wait now. I'm not excited about the football games in
Speaker 1: Detroit in Dallas, of course, but I do love the
Speaker 1: notion of Green Bay and Miami playing tomorrow night together.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I kind of like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: either way you slice it, it's football, so there's no
Speaker 1: loss there. And I can't wait to enjoy my Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: watching some football and eating some food. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, it's never ever, ever a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I hope your stomachs are gonna be as full as
Speaker 1: mine because I intend to eat a lot. That's why
Speaker 1: I got exercise right now. But if y'all see me
Speaker 1: with a pot belly over the weekend. Don't hold it
Speaker 1: against me. It's gonna take a little time to get
Speaker 1: that stuff out of my system the way I'm gonna
Speaker 1: eat over the next couple of days. I tell that
Speaker 1: this is Stephen, a signing off piece of love everybody,
Speaker 1: Talk to you later, Happy Thanksgiving,