1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Warning this episode canade spoilers for the finale of it. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Derry be warning. 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jason and I'm Rosy Night, and 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: welcome back to Extra. 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Vision of the podcast Weird ID, Video, Baby Shows, movie Comments, 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: pok Potagopyring the episodes, plus news on Saturds Plustos. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: But today it's not the day of news. Today is 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: the day of it. 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 4: Welcome to Darry, the finale of Chopter one and we 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 4: will be recapping it here before you listen to a 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 4: very fun interview with me and Andy and Barbara Musque, 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 4: the showrunners and creators of it. 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Welcome to Dry and this new Warner Brothers, HBO, Stephen 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: King World. And before we jump in, guys, just a 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: quick production note. As you know this holiday season, we'll 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: be sharing a couple of short stocking stuff for episodes 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: with you. With so many great shows, movies, comics books 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: coming out these next few weeks, these episodes will help 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: us cover some extra content we wouldn't be able to 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: get to on normal episodes, so keep an eye and 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: an air out for those come in this month. 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: First up it Welcome to Dry the finale, So in 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: the wake of one of the pillars getting melted down. 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: A scary, spooky dark cloud fog bank is sweeping over 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: the town and as it rolls in, things are just 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: getting super super fucking weird and scary, and people are 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: acting bizarre and violent and trippy inside the mist. Penny 28 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: Wise gets on the pa at Dairy High School the assembly, 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: getting that. 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: He was free. 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: Now he's free. 32 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: At the assembly, he decapitates the principal and takes the 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: entire student body hostage. 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: With his gi very mouthbeam, very very. 35 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: Scary the kids. 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, our heroes are in the clubhouse, continue to clean 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: up to get rid of all a Richie shit. Let's 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: get him, get the memories of Richie'll. 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: Get him out of and you can forget again. 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: That's smoke rolling in and they know that this must 41 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: be Pennywise is doing. They go down to the school 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: and the school is completely plastered with missing kids notices 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: featuring all. 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: The students from the school. 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Is like Pennywise printed all this stuff out and just 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: come up hung them up to let everybody know that 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: all the kids are captured now and penny Wise has 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: captured them all. 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: And penny Wise is. 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: Now leading his mouth beamed captives somewhere out into the 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: fraveryhide piperish yes, kind of child catch A esque creepy 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: ass fucking wagon also as well, I love the Pennywise 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: but tearing the principal moment, and we get a great 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: throwback here to that where we see the kids see 55 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: the principal's head on the floor and they realize really 56 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: quickly that Will is among the missing. 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: There is a trail of blood going through dairy with 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: these missing kids flyers, and of course it's you know, 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: the sixties, So they just do some grand theft auto 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: because you could just get away with that back Then 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: they steal a milk truck. But here is where things 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: start getting really scary, and again we start getting to 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: that question of like me and Chris talk got into 64 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: what does it mean for Leroy to have no fear? 65 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: Because he clearly does have fear, and penny Wise plays 66 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: on it right here when he calls up, plays Will's 67 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 3: voice and is basically like, hey, daddy, guess what I'm 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: here with Penny Wise and you, Lee, Roy, are gonna 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: have to come and get your son, and Penny hangs up. Also, 70 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: can I just say, Bill Scarsguard, you are truly a 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: Gem like, we did not deserve you in this show. 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: You are so outrageous. You do so much for us, 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: for the for the outrageous monster loving community. Meanwhile, poor 74 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: Dick is continuing to go through it. There are dead 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: people everywhere, zombies are annoying him. Leroy pounds on his 76 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: door and he's like, hey, tell me where my son is. 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: And Dick is like, bro, I'm just gonna kill myself, 78 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: and le Roy's like, no, don't do it, Like, tell 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: me where my kid is, please, And we get that 80 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: a little bit of lucidity comes back to Dick and 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: he remembers saving the kids in the black Spot, and 82 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: he kind of remembers that this is important, and he 83 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: cares about Leroy, cares about the family, so he heads off. 84 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: So Dick and Leroy head off to try and you know, 85 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: rescue Will and kill penny Wise. General learns of this 86 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: and is concerned about it, obviously. Dick and Leroy go 87 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: to see Rose and Charlotte is there and she's furious 88 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: about Will. And you know, Leroy, you told us that 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: Will it be safe here, and now he's captured my 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: penny Wise. And Dick meanwhile has informed Leroy that Charlotte's 91 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: there's no wronger bond than the bond between a mother 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: and child, and therefore we can use that Charlotte to 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: help Dick locate Will. But then what to do next? 94 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: So Rose pitches a different idea. Okay, what if we 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: use Dick's power to find a replacement comet piece dagger 96 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: that the kids have. We center in on the dagger, 97 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: and then we use the comet piece dagger that the 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: kids have to replace the pillar that was melted down. 99 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: We put that in the missing pillar spot, which I 100 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: have handily located right here on the map, and then 101 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: we can capture penny Wise. The only thing that we 102 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: need to make sure of. Rose tells them is that 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: Pennywise cannot move past this tree. 104 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: This specific tree, he cannot go past it. 105 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: He cannot go past this magic tree. 106 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 5: Guys. 107 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, to help us locate this dagger, 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna cook up some secret Native American medicine and 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: tea which. 110 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: I was like, my eyes rolled. 111 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: At the appearance of this magic Native American tea that 112 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: will apparently help connect Dick to the Daggers. And they're 113 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: also warned by the way the dagger has a mind 114 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: of its own and is not gonna want to be 115 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: buried because the Dagger wants to be free and so 116 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to. 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: Do it, and it wants to go back to the 118 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: rest of the comment, which is how it's been messing 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: up with the kids so much. It plays with your mind, 120 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: it makes you go insane. Marge crashes the truck and 121 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: the kids briefly lose track of the dagger. Lily freaks 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 3: out because she's already obsessed with the dagger. It's already 123 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: playing with her mind very much. 124 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: My precious types giving. 125 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: My precious and honestly, like, I'll be real, Lily's been 126 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: looking like Gollum since the beginning of this season, so 127 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: it makes sense Dick is bonding with the Dagger, and 128 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: he starts to kind of see that it's with Lily 129 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: and Ronnie and Marge, and they realize the adults that 130 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: obviously the kids are going after will no one gets 131 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 3: left behind. Rose gets everyone moving towards the kids, and 132 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: Hank is like, wait a minute. Hank Grogan's like, wait 133 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: a minute, how am I even involved in this? And 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: work like I did not kill a kid, and Rose 135 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: is like, look, the dagger will fight back because of 136 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: some reason that I'm giving you. And meanwhile Lily and 137 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: Ronnie start getting into it with the fights and the 138 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: dagger and the personal emotions, and and Ronnie finally manages 139 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: to get Lily back to her senses, not penny Wise 140 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: by the dagger. Marge gets to hold the dagger, which 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: honestly she's the last person I would let hold it. 142 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: But still then, just when they get together, they look 143 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: across the frozen lake and they see all the Pied 144 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: Piper children floating near Pennywise's wagon, and they head off 145 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: to fight him. 146 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Baby Leroy comes with an idea for Dick to distract 147 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: Pennywise by pulling him him into the shining dimension. 148 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 4: Good idea. 149 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Penny Wise comes out of the wagon. 150 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: As our hero kids approach, Ronnie pulls the dagger on 151 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: penny Wise and he does this really again, Bill Scarsguard, 152 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Your movements are so compelling, the way he like skitters 153 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: backwards and this kind of crown and also good. 154 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: In the lead up to that moment, you get him 155 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: doing this chase with the kids, but it's almost this 156 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: kind of slow motion chase through the fog. Really scary imagery. 157 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: Here in my opinion some of the best since the 158 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: original TV mini series, Like just really cool stuff. 159 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: I agree. 160 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: So he now Penny Why, starts fucking with the kids 161 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: and darting in and out of the fog. He manages 162 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: to separate Marge, and he is like absolutely trash talking 163 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Marge about Richie. 164 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 3: And who's gonna be. 165 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he drops a fucking absolute bomb on Marge. 166 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Get this, Marge, I'm not talking about Richie your dead 167 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend here quotes, I'm talking about. 168 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: Richie, your future son. 169 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: No, you're gonna name your future son after your dead boyfriend. 170 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: And guess what, your future son one day will kill me. 171 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: How do I need to kill you? I need to 172 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: kill you? And how do I know this? 173 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: Because I'm Penny Wise and I see the past, present, 174 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: and future in one single time stream. Is that hard 175 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: to keep everything all like straight about when it's taking place. 176 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: Yes, he kills Marge, but. 177 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 6: No matter. 178 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: You're in front of you right now, and I'm gonna 179 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: kill you with my big scary mouth of teeth, no 180 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: masking for you. I'm gonna eat you up. But then 181 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: he freezes, and he's frozen because Dick has pulled his 182 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: mind into the shining dimension. 183 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 3: Don dun du don dun duh. The kids drop from 184 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: the air, including Will. They have no idea what's going on, 185 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: that just woken up on this icy ground. And the 186 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: adults arrive on the scene just at the right time, 187 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 3: and Leroy and Taniel head off to the tree from 188 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: the map to bury the dagger. But and this is 189 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: one of the grimmest moments of the show so far, 190 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: and am we I actually did get to talk to 191 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: one of the cast members about this in an episode 192 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: in an interview that you will get with It round table, 193 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: which will be coming out later. But yeah, Taniel gets 194 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: shot by the government, just shot in the neck by 195 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: the general. Absolutely fucking heartbreaking. I was very disappointed by 196 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: that choice. Leroy tells Will to take the dagger and 197 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,239 Speaker 3: he's like, you can do it, you can stop pennywise. 198 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: Will is crying and he is not acting the bravest. 199 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: I will not say he is acting like a little 200 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: bit because he's eleven, but he is. He is acting. 201 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: I just like the way Leroy is like, yeah, you 202 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: could do it, and Will was like. 203 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: And his Dad's basically like you can do it, and 204 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: they they run over that way. So just ploys the 205 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: Lee Roy arrest also after maybe shooting him in the leg, 206 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: I think. Meanwhile, the General kind of goes up to 207 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: Pennywise spots him frozen in attack mode, and it's very 208 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: interesting to see how arrogant the General is in this moment. 209 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: Yes, the General is absolutely high on his own supply. Meanwhile, 210 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: Pennywise is trapped in a vision of the Carnival from 211 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties. He is Bob and everybody is treating 212 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: him like Ingrid's dad Bob, and he has absolutely no powers. 213 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: He's getting slapped in the face by members of the 214 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: carnival and he's like, I'm. 215 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: God fucking God, I'm an eater of worlds. 216 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: And people are just like pushing around like yeah, whatever, Bob. Meanwhile, 217 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: the Dagger, just like Rose says it would, is fighting 218 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Will and anybody who's gonna try and bury it. So 219 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: now Will is like not only fighting his own fears, 220 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: he's fighting this dagger that does not is now running 221 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: in the opposite making him run in the opposite direction, 222 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: does not want it to get better. 223 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: The kids are trying to fight. 224 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the General spies penny Wise across the way. It's like, ah, Pennywise. 225 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: He goes up to Pennywise and starts saying, listen, uh, 226 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna fix you. We're gonna get you good as new. 227 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: Well good news on that front. 228 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 7: Uh. 229 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: The general soldiers find Dick, who is in you know, 230 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: shining verse, so he's not like physically there, and they 231 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: shake him out of his coma, which breaks the illusion. 232 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: Penny breaks free and now is face to face with 233 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: the General and General's like, listen, hey, you're free to go, 234 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: as if he could stop Pennywise from going anywhere. 235 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: Pennywise, by the way. 236 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: You're free to go, and good luck to you. We'll 237 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: talk later about a job offer that I have for you. 238 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: And penny Wise sniffs him as like I remember you. 239 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: You're the kid from decades ago in the forest, and 240 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna eat you. He eats him off camera, 241 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: so we don't try the fate of the General in this, 242 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: but he gives him. 243 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: He does terrify him with that same kind of face 244 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: that he had on that day, and he does try 245 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: and scare him. Hopefully he eats the general because the 246 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: general deserves it. He sucked. He was the true villain 247 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: all along, guys, And then Penny comes bounding out the fog, 248 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: really doing a little dance. He's trying to stop the 249 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: kids from burying the dagger. Leroy is overpowering the airmen 250 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: with rosen Hank and they're shooting him, getting some guns. 251 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: Leroy opens fire on penny and somehow that hurts him. 252 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 3: I was surprised, wasn't expecting that Leroy shoots his head off. 253 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: But in a great moment. 254 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that this actually did anything to penny Wise. 255 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: I was shocked. And we see him, he's on his knees, 256 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 3: and then we realize that it is just another one 257 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: of Pennywise's kind of tricks and illusions, that a new 258 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: head grows back. It's extra gross, Its eyes are protruding, 259 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: it's all out of shape. It's fantastic. And then there's 260 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: a struggle over the dagger. Pennywise is gonna get He's 261 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: gonna get the dagger. The kids are gonna push it in, 262 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: but there's not enough strength. What could happen? Well, luckily, 263 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: Dick Halleran and the war Chief Ghost have brought Ritchie 264 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: back from the dead and he's gonna run past. 265 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: He gives penny Wise the fingers. 266 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: He's pushing in the ghost. He's pushing in the dagger. 267 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: It goes into the ground and they trapped penny Wise again. Jason, 268 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: how do you feel about Ritchie's brattan to the screen. 269 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: I'll save my real thoughts for the for our roundtable. 270 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: I found this to be first of all, the war 271 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: chief were just the standing their chief. I would like 272 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: it if the war chief had been a little bit 273 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: more active. And it's absolutely crazy to me that Richie 274 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: is now the person who's like getting the ball over 275 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: the one yard line, Richie who quit on life. 276 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: I will not cut. 277 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: I understand that people are like, oh, no, but Richie 278 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: sacrifice of the prefegtion. No, Richie didn't say if Richie 279 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: if penny Wise was like they're about to eat margin. 280 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: And then Richie jumped in the way and pushed Marge 281 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: out of the way. Okay, yes, that's not what happened. 282 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Richie tricks Marge into the milk crate, right, and then, 283 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: far from immediately dying, has then enough breath, energy and 284 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: time to tell a whole fucking story about knights and 285 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: what knights do he and it's like, lovey, he could 286 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: have used that time to escape from this fucking birding building. Instead, 287 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: he tells a whole ass story and quits on life. 288 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: And I just can't but I just can't. 289 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: And now he's back and he does help get the 290 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: get the dagger into the ground, trapping penny Wise once again. 291 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: Why don't you explain? Uh, you can keep your Richie, 292 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: your Richie anger going with what happens next. 293 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so the mark we flash forward to the aftermath. 294 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: Marge speaks at Ritchie the Quitter's funeral and talks about 295 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: how much he cared about Richie. 296 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: Richie's parents are the distraught. 297 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Uh uh you know, yeah, never forget that Richie did 298 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: quit on life. Dick sees Richie's spirit like hang around 299 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: the funeral with his arms around his parents, and he 300 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: goes and he's weirdly like happy that Richie is dead. 301 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: So don't don't like this is honestly gray crazy. 302 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: This is this sequence is insane. 303 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: Ray proof of how good of an actor Chris Chalk 304 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: Is that this like you're a serial killer. 305 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Yes, somehow Richie's parents and it's like, you know that 306 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: feeling that like Richie's here with you and his hand 307 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: is on your shoulder. That's real, He's here. His ghost 308 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: will always be with He basically says something the effect 309 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: of his spirit will always be with you, and his 310 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: ghost is right here, right now, and you always feel it. 311 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: And they break down in tears at this. 312 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: The beautiful sentiment of this strange, wild eyed man who 313 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: they've never met before coming and saying your son is like, 314 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: you're the ghost of your son will haunt you like that. 315 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: The fact that they're not like, who the fuck are you, buddy? 316 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Is so crazy to be anyway. Later, Marge is walking downtown. 317 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: She sees one of Richie's airplanes in a tree on 318 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: Main Street and realizes, I guess he did he so 319 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: I this was confusing. 320 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: Did he make it and he didn't know that he 321 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: made it? Or is this Richie's ghost? 322 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: I think he was dumb enough that he probably just 323 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: like didn't see it, like one of them made it there, 324 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: or the wind blew it or the fog blue. 325 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: He didn't realize. This wasn't a ghost situation. 326 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: It could be a ghost situation, could be a ghost. 327 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: Lily then goes to her dad's grave and apologizes, which 328 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: I felt like, you don't have anything to but she apologizes, 329 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: have to do that, Yeah, she apologizes for seeming crazy, which, Babe, 330 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: that's not your fault. Lily and Marge sheare a drink 331 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: at the clubhouse. Marge then drops the bomb on Lily. 332 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 8: Then guess what Penny is told I've gonna have a son, 333 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 8: and my son's gonna be named Ritchie and he's gonna 334 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 8: kill him. And then and then she then drops further 335 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 8: the fact that Penny wise might try and pull a 336 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 8: terminator going back in time to kill their parents. 337 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: Incredible, What has Lily, what do we do if that happens? 338 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Lily Wisely just says, well, that's not our fucking problem, baby. 339 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: Yess I one insane and deeply fun way to set 340 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 3: up the premise of the rest of the seasons of 341 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 3: this show, because every time he's just twenty six years 342 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: back and he's getting killed now. And I think like, 343 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 3: in that way the show has worked really well because 344 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: we've learned a lot here, Like we know that Mike 345 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: like Will will have a son called Mike who will 346 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: become the historian of the town in it of the 347 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: Losers Club, but we know that Mike's dad Will died 348 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: in a horrible fire, So you get that horrible understanding 349 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: of why that was Will's biggest fair and why penny 350 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: Wise wanted to come back for him. So I love 351 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: that line. Super funny. We then see Dick come to 352 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: the Handlands and be like, hey, guys, I'm leaving, Like, 353 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: but you know, we've obviously made this connection. Lero's like, hey, 354 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 3: just call me any time if you need anything. Rose 355 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: and Leroy Rose basically is like, hey, why don't you 356 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 3: Leroy and Charlotte, why don't you guys join our group 357 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: to safeguard penny Wise against further intrusions. We'd have to 358 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: come back here every twenty six years, like you'd help 359 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: out will walk. Will then talks to Ronnie about Derry dementia. 360 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: Is it a good thing? Is it a bad thing? 361 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 7: Like? 362 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: Is it good that we'll remember it? Is it bad? 363 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Ronnie gives him a little kiss, a little smooth, 364 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: no tongue there, their age appropriate kissing. I appreciate it, 365 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: very cute, appreciate it. Willing family get into the car, 366 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: but Charlotte hesitates, and you know in that moment that 367 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 3: she's gonna do it. She's going to join Derry, and 368 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: Ley's like, fuck, I've also got to do that too, 369 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: because really I'm part of the reason that any of 370 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 3: this happened, because I was part of this mission. So 371 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: Will writes to Ronnie and tells her, Hey, I'm staying 372 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: you guys. Go you and your dad across the country. 373 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: You're going to be safe now. And then we get 374 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: a crazy, crazy ending. 375 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: So we see that Ingrid is being placed into Juniper 376 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: Hill now as a patient, and the only thing that 377 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: seems like it can calm her down, and she's raging 378 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: and raging and raging, is anything related to her dad. 379 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: They play a song that was one of her dad, 380 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: Bob's favorite songs, and that chills her out. We fast 381 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: forward twenty six years now to basically right around the 382 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: beginning of the time before the story of it, the 383 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: proper story of it, the original Losers Club. Ingrid is 384 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: now an old lady and she hears commotion. She goes 385 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: over to the next room and there is a father 386 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: and a daughter, shocked and horrified to find the man's 387 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: wife and the girl's mother has hanged herself in her room, 388 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: and the staff is there and everybody's shocked. And then 389 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: you notice the dad kind of elbow the daughter off 390 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: of him, and she turns around and it is Beverly 391 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: Marsh and Ingrid says to her, don't be sad. You 392 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: know what they say about Derry that everybody who dies 393 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: doesn't really die, which is such a weird thing to 394 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: say about this fucking town. 395 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 7: I know. 396 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: Stop saying it, guys, stop saying it. 397 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a crazy finale to a crazy show. 398 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: It took some major, major big swings. I don't love everything, 399 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: but I love the audacity with which it did it. 400 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: It did everything over the top, which I love. 401 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: I loved it. I think for me this is my 402 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: favorite thing from the Musghetti bus and I I agree, 403 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: and I love like what it sets up. I had 404 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 3: so much fun talking to the cast and crew this season, 405 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: and I'm just so excited for our round table. I 406 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: think it's going to be really fun and I can't 407 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 3: wait to see the next season. I want to see 408 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: what happens, you know, in the forties. I'm ready. I'm 409 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: ready to see it. Let's go up next. 410 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: Rosie is me speaking to Andy and Barbara Musquetti, showrunners 411 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: behind It. 412 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to Garth. 413 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: Well, thank you both Andy and Barbara for joining us 414 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: on X ray Vision. It's absolute pleasure to have you here. 415 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 416 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 5: It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for inviting us, 417 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 5: It's our pleasure. 418 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: I wanted to start by just talking about you guys 419 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 3: and your work relationship. Like we've had a lot of 420 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: sibling creatives in Hollywood, but not necessarily in this format 421 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: of direct producer and everything. Barbara, could you talk a 422 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: little bit about where that began and how you two 423 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: came to this relationship. 424 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 7: Well, I didn't really give them an option. I'm the 425 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 7: older one. I'm twenty months older. And although his favorite 426 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 7: joke is that I am twelve years older than him, 427 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 7: we'll ask he loves. 428 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 5: He got old, he got old, I don't say it anymore. 429 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: I got old old. 430 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 7: And also I look younger than you. So we grew 431 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 7: up with very much the same references. We watched the 432 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 7: same as little kids. We watched the same horror movies, 433 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 7: which you know, it's it's a little crazy that we 434 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 7: had access to those horror movies same. That's the way 435 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 7: it happened. It's also that we were writing our bicycles 436 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 7: until you know, eleven pm midnight when we were kids. 437 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 7: Different world, different world. We are definitely gen X and 438 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 7: are you know are better for it. Clearly, from a 439 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 7: very early time in our childhood developed an absolute love 440 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 7: and obsession for films, with the support of our parents, 441 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 7: who are also film lovers. Andy, you know, as a 442 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 7: very little kid, knew that that he wanted to be 443 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 7: in movies. Me, being slightly older and more une with 444 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 7: the country we were living in, which was Argentina, thought 445 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 7: impossible dream. But as I grew oer and I you know, 446 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 7: was very lucky to be able to to do my 447 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 7: university in the state I want to l a, that 448 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 7: dream just exploded in my head again and you know, 449 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 7: never left. And you know, we're both very creative, but 450 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 7: I am definitely very type A and a builder. And 451 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 7: Andy has that ability of as our friend. 452 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 5: Of destroying. 453 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 7: No but my Andy fend of ours, uh said uh, 454 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 7: not long ago that Andy has the ability to you know, 455 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 7: keep one foot in Narnia and and that is incredibly 456 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 7: valuable and something that I can't do. And that's kept him, 457 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 7: you know, very in touch with the in our child 458 00:25:52,119 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 7: and incredibly brave that and I fear the hollock at 459 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 7: any moment. 460 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 3: So catastrophist I feel that. Yeah, I understand Andy, you know, 461 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: talking about that notion of like keeping a foot in 462 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: each world and in these fictional worlds. What is it 463 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: for you? You know, growing up, I was an eighties 464 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: baby as well a little bit I'm an older millennial, 465 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: But like, what was it for you about specifically Dairy 466 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 3: and this world of it and Stephen King that has 467 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: hooked you? Because you guys arguably made like already the 468 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: kind of quintessential Pennywise stories and the remakes hugely successful, 469 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: just unbelievable cultural impact. But what was it that kept 470 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: your foot in Darry and made you want to explore 471 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: this era and these kind of other spaces. 472 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 5: I was imprinted by Stephen King from a very early age. 473 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 5: But by the time that I read my first book, 474 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 5: which was my first Stephen King book, which was Pat Cemetery, 475 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 5: I already had, you know, you know, I already leaned 476 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 5: very much towards the world of horror, because I'd say 477 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 5: we started watching horror movies at six years old. I 478 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: was six, Barbie was seven or eight. So we were 479 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 5: exposed to that world and we were very attracted to it. 480 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 5: We're very magnetized to everything horror, and of course, like 481 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: you know, that was like, you know, early, very early eighties. 482 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 5: Then and again, like Barbie said, that imprint happened with TV. 483 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: Every Saturday night there was a showcase of horror movies 484 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 5: on in Argentina that all of our generation actually saw. 485 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 5: You can talk to anyone our age and they know 486 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: what we're talking about. But there we would have you know, 487 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 5: we at six year olds. I had when by the 488 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 5: time that I was seven, I had already seen Doctor 489 00:27:52,200 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 5: Five's Omega Man, a full array of Hammer movies, Fearless, 490 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 5: Part Killers the Hand, all these movies that you know 491 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 5: from very early on, you know, uh a Night of 492 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 5: the Scarecrow, et cetera, et cetera, somewhere better than others, 493 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 5: but for better or worse, they left a big imprint. 494 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 5: And uh yeah. A few years later literature appeared. Pen 495 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 5: Cemetery was my first book, and and and then over 496 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 5: the over the later years happened like all the short stories. 497 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: It's got some crew Gravey graveyars shift and one day 498 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 5: it mm hmm and uh. And that that, you know, 499 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 5: being so young, and people who read you know anything 500 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: at that at that age can testify how how how 501 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 5: deep the you know, the the imprint goes, how influenced 502 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 5: you are by the things that you really like. And 503 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 5: I think, you know, I can't explain it really technically. 504 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 5: What is it that Stephen King that really left such 505 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 5: a deep, you know, mark in me? In us? But 506 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 5: it did, and I think that not only the fascination 507 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 5: for its stories, but also the way of telling stories. 508 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 4: M hm. 509 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, for me, it's like it was 510 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 5: like unknowingly, it was a school of storytelling that informed 511 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 5: me as you know, someone that would later start making 512 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 5: movies as well. 513 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 514 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: What does it feel like to then get to be 515 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: in a place where you are telling those stories in 516 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 3: that world that's so imprinted on you? Does it feel 517 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: completely natural because those stories are like a part of you. 518 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: I'm definitely I was a big kid reader. My dad 519 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: showed me Texas chains Onlaska before I was ten, so 520 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: I'm definitely in a similar space London in the nineties. 521 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: How does it then feel to be stepping not only 522 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: on to you know, the sound stage of the movie, 523 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: but to then have weer brothers say okay, well what's next? 524 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: How do you expand on this? How do you become 525 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: a part of the storytelling legacy of these stories you 526 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: loved so much? How does that feel well. 527 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 5: It was like the process was you know, I mean, 528 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 5: there's several stages to that question, which is when you 529 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 5: read it, like the first imprint is like you're fascinated 530 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 5: because of the impact, the intensity, the scary stuff. You know, 531 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 5: over the years, and it happened very clearly with it, 532 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 5: which when we read when I was fourteen, and many 533 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 5: many years later I got the opportunity to bring it 534 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 5: to the movies, to make it, to adapt it into 535 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 5: a film, and I read it again, and of course, 536 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 5: like in that reread, you know, the vision had changed, 537 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 5: not the vision, but you know the perception. You get 538 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 5: get old, get old, and you you you live, and 539 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 5: a lot of things are resignified. A lot of things 540 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: that didn't mean much to you or or or were 541 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 5: like misinterpreted, like suddenly come to to surface and you 542 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 5: make sense of a lot of things. So I came 543 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 5: to terms with those things on the second read. And 544 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 5: I had five days to come up with a pitch 545 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 5: to to do that, and uh so I had to. Yeah, 546 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 5: I basically read the book in five five days, and 547 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 5: and in those five days I came with my vision 548 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 5: of the movie. It wasn't an easy week. Let me 549 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 5: tell you. 550 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine. 551 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 5: No, it was and I'm not a fast reader, I 552 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 5: have to admit. But anyway, we did it. We we 553 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 5: we you know, I managed to to basically, uh put 554 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 5: together my vision of a movie and I pitched it 555 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 5: and it pitched it to Newline and they like the 556 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 5: take and the rest is you know, we all know 557 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 5: what happened pretty well. Did the movie? Ye? Did? Okay? 558 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 3: Did okay? Made a movie? And now there's a TV show. 559 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: So we are entering into this conversation as the show 560 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: has now come to an end. This is actually you 561 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: guys last interview for the tour. So how are you 562 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: feeling about people watching the finale? And how are you 563 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: feeling now the show is out there and people have 564 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: been able to kind of connect with it. Barbara, let 565 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 3: me start with you. 566 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 7: So I can't wait. I cannot wait for people the 567 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 7: eight because I think seven is so powerful. Episode seven 568 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 7: is so powerful and just you know, kicks, kicks your heart, 569 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 7: kicks your balls. There's a love kicks two. Episode seven 570 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 7: an episode eight is incredibly epic. It's very big, but 571 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 7: it's also very soothing. Basically, episode seven is such a 572 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 7: heartbreak in so many of the storylines, and Episode eight 573 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 7: is a little bit of the reverse of that, and 574 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 7: it's epic and it will keep you on the edge 575 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 7: of your seat, but at the same time it is 576 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 7: very soothing personally. That's how we like to send people off. 577 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 7: I want people to come out of the show, and 578 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 7: I'll always say come out of the theater because for me, 579 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 7: that's the feeling it should be with hope. Yeah, and 580 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 7: I think that's what Age does. 581 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 6: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 582 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 6: right back, and. 583 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 3: We're back Andy for you. Now, when it comes to 584 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 3: what you had to fit into the finale, establishing the 585 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: notion of Pennywise through the ages, penny Wise as a 586 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 3: creature who sees the past, present, and future all the same, 587 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 3: how do you go into an episode like that balancing 588 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: how much emotional heart there has to be there for 589 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: that moment, Barbie of you to say, for that moment 590 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 3: of hope, for that amblinesque huge Richie comes back, we 591 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: get that emotional beat moment. How hard is it balancing 592 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: all of that when it's such an epic, huge episode 593 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: that goes through, you know, dealing with multiple timelines, multiple characters. 594 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's challenging. But the truth is that, you know, 595 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 5: we do it a way that basically allows us to 596 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 5: put all the pieces on the right spot at the 597 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 5: right time. And when I say this, you know it's 598 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 5: the last episode, is the last episode that that gets written. 599 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 5: So by the time that we have a decent version 600 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 5: of the last episode is because you know, you know 601 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 5: the story well, you know the character as well. The 602 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 5: arcs of of all the characters are pretty well defined. 603 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 5: Their transformations. The big, big converging of the story happens 604 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 5: in episode seven, which is the black Spot, and then 605 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 5: we're thrown into the third act, so certain certain elements 606 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 5: are are are kind of resolved and in the previous episode, 607 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 5: and as you said, there's so many things happening on 608 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 5: the other hand on episode on the last episode, which 609 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 5: is basically the emotional resolution of you know, all these 610 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 5: characters as a collective but also individually. Uh, it's also 611 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 5: a fight to the death with the monster. Mm hmm 612 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 5: and uh. And again it's of course, it makes it 613 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 5: might sound like a Titanic endeavor at the beginning, because 614 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 5: it's like, you know, how do you solve all of 615 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 5: all of that in the last episode, But you know, 616 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 5: how it is writing, which it starts with with you know, 617 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 5: putting the blocks together, and then a lot of revisions 618 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 5: and then up even up to the last day, up 619 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 5: to the day of the shoot. You know, there's there's 620 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 5: there's modifications, there's there's things that that that happened. I'm 621 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 5: very open generally on on set to to exploration and 622 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 5: and and you know, as they say, those happy accidents. Uh, 623 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that you've seen on that scene, 624 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 5: on the sequence is that that were created on the spot, 625 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 5: not only by me, but you know, coming out stemming 626 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 5: from from how the general dynamics with performances and actors, 627 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 5: you know, like wading in and I have to say, the. 628 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 2: Cast unbelievable, so. 629 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 5: So much heart in this, in this, in this thing, 630 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 5: and given that it's a series, Uh, we come to 631 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 5: this point with months and months of living the character 632 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 5: that they really you know, everybody knows a lot about 633 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 5: about the story, about the characters, more so than than 634 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 5: any in than any movie. That's that's the thing that 635 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 5: I one of the things that I cherish about making 636 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 5: a serious yeah, is the time, you know, the time 637 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 5: that that you navigate the story the cast as well, 638 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 5: so everybody is sort of more profoundly immersed in in 639 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 5: what the story means, and hence they can, you know, 640 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 5: react by living with the characters, which for so many months. 641 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 5: Improvisation happens in a in a in a more magical way, 642 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 5: more effective at the very end, because everybody knows the 643 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 5: stuff much better. 644 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very organic at that point, like they've been 645 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 3: living in it. Okay, Yeah, I would love to talk 646 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 3: to you a little bit about because it's so interesting 647 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 3: to me. You mentioned about like the improvisation, the freeness, 648 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 3: but you also when I speaking to Kimberly, who obviously 649 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 3: plays Rose incredibly, she talked a lot about the space 650 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 3: you gave for her to make ceremony and to make 651 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 3: sure that it felt like something that was really intentional 652 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 3: for her community and for her performance in this idea 653 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 3: of putting good medicine out into the world. So could 654 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: you talk a little bit about why it was so 655 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: important to embrace that. I mean, that's a silly question, 656 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 3: but why did you guys understand the importance of embracing it? 657 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 5: Well, because they we don't know, we don't we don't 658 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 5: have that experience, you know. That's why we rely on 659 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 5: on writers from the community, actors from the community. And 660 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 5: when they have something that you know, they that that 661 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 5: that really means I mean in general, they built we 662 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 5: we we worked with indigenous writers. We work with a 663 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 5: cast that that is not only indigenous, but committed to 664 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 5: to to the causes of the culture of their culture. 665 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 5: And uh and and and but we you know I 666 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 5: I I always was open to to all kinds of 667 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 5: contributions and suggestions. And there was a yeah, a lot 668 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 5: of research, but it was done in a in a 669 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 5: very like team. Uh. Of course them leading, but but 670 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 5: yuh waiting with with a lot of inect. 671 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 3: She really expressed to me that she felt that she 672 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 3: felt like it was a communing of all different cultures, 673 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 3: whether it was Chris talking about herbalism or her sorry, Barbara, 674 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 3: go for it. 675 00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 5: No. 676 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 7: And is that Kimberly You know you didn't talk to 677 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 7: just anyone, you do Kimberly Rio, who's a maven and 678 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 7: and so much a leader in the community and knew 679 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 7: every single person in in the episode. And and Taspa Chavis, 680 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 7: who was the director's wonderful Uhasa, who's whose native Actually 681 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 7: Kimberly had been her mentor when she when she would 682 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 7: have a film school in the reservation, and you know, 683 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 7: Tasba was a kid basically so and we cast her, 684 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 7: we cast Kim you know. So it was just meant 685 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 7: to be and very much like the story we tell, 686 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 7: which is about you know, the dumbness of white people 687 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:16,479 Speaker 7: not listening people. How bonkers would it be to tell 688 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 7: that story without without actually doing it. 689 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 3: Mm hmmmmmm, without actually listening? Yeah, I love that. Also, 690 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: is that a character or a side as the show 691 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 3: moves back in time. I love how we establish this 692 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 3: notion of Pennywise kind of living through all things at once. 693 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 3: A great reveal with margin. Ritchie just loved that. But 694 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 3: is the specifically like that indigenous community as we move 695 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 3: back into these twenty six years, will we see different 696 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 3: versions of them and how they've been heralding this protection 697 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: of dry throughout history? 698 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 5: For sure? The you know, the Native Americans play an 699 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 5: important role in the book, but we augmented it in 700 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 5: the there I mean we we augmented the role a 701 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 5: little bit in the series. Yeah, there's in the book, 702 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 5: there's I mean, the the if there's if there's one 703 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 5: idea that is that is to be like outstanding of 704 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 5: the new of our new contribution in the series is 705 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 5: that it is an expanding force m hm, unlike the book, 706 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 5: which is a big bit of a mystery why it 707 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 5: is dairy or dairy is it? Or why it only 708 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 5: hunts in dairy and this like our proposal here is 709 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 5: that it fell to earth and it's it's it's it's 710 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 5: a it's a relentless force that will expand, expand and 711 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,439 Speaker 5: will take over everything. I mean, it's name, the ether 712 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 5: of worlds has to mean something. Ah, So we use 713 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 5: that and even if it's not in the book, and 714 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 5: we picked that that concept of either of worlds and 715 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 5: and and and put an obstacle to him, which is, yeah, 716 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 5: they in this new story, it's an expanding force. And 717 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 5: the really the only reason why it didn't take over 718 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 5: the world this book is because the original indigenous community 719 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 5: uh basically built a cage around it. 720 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 7: Mm hmmm uh. 721 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 5: Now that cage is the idea of the cage obviously 722 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 5: is fully exploited story wise in this first season, but 723 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 5: the the origin in episode four is told as as 724 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 5: a story told by Taniel. But I think and we 725 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 5: I mean we we haven't fleshed out completely episodes. Sorry, 726 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 5: seasons two and three, but undoubtedly there will be returned 727 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 5: to to the indigenous adventure against against It and the 728 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 5: importance you know, it's the it's the first guys who 729 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 5: actually had to face this monster, and uh and we 730 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 5: wanted to really really make make it, make it play. 731 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it works so well. I think it's one of 732 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 3: the things that really adds to the law. And yeah, 733 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 3: we've just we've loved covering this season. Thank you guys 734 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,479 Speaker 3: so much. Congrats on an amazing show on a great 735 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 3: press tour, come back whenever to talk about horror and uh, yeah, 736 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 3: we just we can't wait for more. We're so stoked 737 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 3: for the show. Guys. Thank you so much and thanks 738 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 3: for joining us. Come back tomorrow where we'll be joined 739 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 3: by the Scream Queens for our round table on the 740 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 3: finale of It. Welcome to Darry, plus an interview with 741 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 3: Kimberly Guerrero, who plays Rose in the show. 742 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. 743 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 744 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 3: Bye. 745 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie 746 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 747 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Cortman. 748 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: Our Supervising producer is Abuzafar. 749 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and fay Wag. 750 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 751 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman. 752 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 753 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 3: Heidi Our discord moderator