1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: I've never told your protection by your heart radio. Samantha, 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: did you have a field day when you were in school? 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: I did, and I hated it. Were you said, did 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: your school give me the option where you could sit 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: out and like in that dark room and watch school 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: health Rock. No, you had to compete. Did you get 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: like metals or trophies already? I think so. It was 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: weird too because the way they did the filled days 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: with the competitions, they had the gym teachers just pick 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: and choose what you would do instead of you volunteering. 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: And I had a really good day where I was 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: playing with Frisbeesh and apparently I actually hit it on target, 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: so they chose me to do that the whole like 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: almost like the ultimate level. And I sucked during competition, 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: like it just went everywhere. But and I really didn't 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: want to do it. But because I had one good day, 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: the coaches baby do it ah well to anyone who 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: doesn't know, I don't. I'm not entirely sure how common 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: a thing this is, but in the US, I feel 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: like it's pretty common. But it's like this day and 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: for me it was elementary school and maybe middle school 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: as well. Middle school as well. Yeah, where you would 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: like have an entire day where you would just almost 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: kind of an Olympics style where they'd be running events 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: and there'd be for me, water balloon of it, like 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: those tug of war like all kinds of things, and 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: you'd be on a team. And in my school, we 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: would make shirts every year and you would get like 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: trophies or medals at the end. And it's funny because 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: I I was a very insecure, stressed out kid, but 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I was also extremely competitive, so I would it would 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: be a day where I would feel miserable, but then 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: in the and I usually won and then I loved it. 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: But until that I hated it, you know what I mean. 36 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: I didn't win, so I was just miserable throughout because 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: I was hot, sweaty. They made a stay outside. There 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: were so many bugs l J Georgia and you know, 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: in the mountains and the woods, and I would just 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: get eaten up and I hated it. Yeah. I did. Uh. 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: Seventh grade, which is probably my least favorite school year 42 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: I ever had. I skipped it. I didn't do it 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: because we we did have an option where you could 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: sit in a room and watch scholass I wish we 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: had that option, yeah, and I mean I had friends 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: for it was just this huge stresser because you were 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: performing these athletic things, and especially for young girls, and 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: like all this attention to your body maybe that you 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: don't want that. It was just this miserable experience and 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: we would try to find any way to get out 51 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: of it. And it's supposed to be fun. I do 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: still have the medals, of course, you bring them and 53 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: show them off. So yes, as we are recording this, 54 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this because one of my field 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: day shirts that I still have is from the Olympics. 56 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Were in Atlanta and we did the Olympic rings and 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: it says my name on the back and I can't 58 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: get rid of that shirt because I really like it. It 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: It still fits. But yes, the Olympics are happening supposedly, 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean we're recording this in early July, so something 61 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: could have happened. But and so we wanted to bring 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: back this classic episode because we're working on an episode 63 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: about women in the Olympics and it probably won't surprise 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: most of you, but it might surprise some of you. 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: That women can't compete in all of the events, and 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: even as recently as twelve that was when um women 67 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: women's boxing first depute. So this is still like happening. 68 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: And of course there's been a long history with the 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: Olympics of keeping women not only out of them all together, 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: but like slowly, Okay, you can do this event, Okay, 71 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: you can just this a bit. So we want to 72 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: bring back this classic episode and we hope that you enjoy. 73 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House Stuff 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: Caroline and I'm Christman. So back in two thousand nine, 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: Kristen the i o C, the International Olympic Committee, made 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: the decision to add women's boxing to this year's London 78 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Summer Olympic Games. And before this it had been the 79 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: only sport reserve for men. So now we're all equal. 80 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: A story over kind of kind of well okay, yeah, 81 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: not really. There actually is a debate raging currently about 82 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: women's boxing and basically, should women engage in a sport 83 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: whose main purpose is to inflict a damage on the 84 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: opponent and that we might even possibly knock them unconscious. 85 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: That does not sound very ladylike Caroline, which it sure does, 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: and we might sweat. How what I know it shouldn't 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: be allowed. Well one one note though, one historical note. 88 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: Women have boxed at the Olympics before, one other time 89 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: at the nineteen o four St. Louis Games, which was 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: the first time that the men's boxing debut at the Olympics, 91 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: but women's boxing was relegated to a display event. Well 92 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: they were actually both display events, but after the display 93 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: event they were like, hey, men, come on and the women, 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: the women just just keeping the little sideshow act that 95 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: you are. Could you go make us some sandwiches? Exactly? 96 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: But it actually it has so much more history or 97 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: beyond uh, nineteen o four. Back in the seventeen twenties, 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: the first staged women's prize fights took place. This was 99 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: in in England, and in addition to punching and kicking, 100 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: women could mall and scratch their opponents, so it was 101 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: more like just like a cat fight in the ring 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: and stuff of true boxing. And then female prize fighting 103 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: happened in eighteenth and nineteenth century European fairgrounds and an 104 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: exhibition halls. But then in the nineteenth century also people 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: started clamping down on the sport they were very uncomfortable 106 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: was staying two women in the ring. And for that 107 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 1: reason it was prohibited in many US states and in Europe, 108 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: and it was officially banned in Britain, for instance, in 109 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty. But that didn't hold back Barbara Buttrick, a 110 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: Yorkshire born fighter who was one of the those early renegades. 111 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: And let's not forget in eighteen seventy six, Nel Saunders 112 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: and Rose Harland got in the ring and duked it 113 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: out over a silver butter dish because you know what 114 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: a women need with a coppera medal um and what 115 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: is considered the first women's match in the US. So 116 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: they probably maybe inspired ms Buttrick. Yeah, Because then in 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: the late fifties and nine seven to be precise, Barbara 118 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: became the first female boxing license holder UM and she 119 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: was in Dallas, Texas, and she fought the second female 120 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: boxing license holder, Phyllis Coogler, for the first women's World championship. 121 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: And I think it's worth pointing out that that Barbara 122 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: was just ninety eight pounds and four ft eleven. She's 123 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: a little step fire tiny. Yeah. So then fast forward 124 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: to and women's amateur boxing is finally integrated into the 125 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: rules of the US amateur boxing program, and then is 126 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: a pretty huge year for women's boxing because of a 127 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: bout between Christie Martin and dear Dreg Gogerdy and Christie 128 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Martin one and she became the face of women's boxing 129 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: and actually made it onto the cover of Sports Illustrated, 130 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: thus marking the birth of modern professional women's boxing in 131 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: the US. But the funny thing is, if you go 132 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: back and read that Sports Illustrated story interviewing Martin, she 133 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: could not give a hoot about women's boxing. She liked boxing, 134 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: but women, no, no, no, she says, I'm not out 135 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: to make a statement about women in boxing or even 136 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: women in sports. I'm not trying to put women in 137 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: the forefront. And I don't even think this fascination with 138 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: women in the ring has much to do with that. 139 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: This is about Christine Martin. Well, I mean, yeah, quite 140 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: a quite a fighting spirit there, um, But the whole 141 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: profile of her just hammers home the thing of oh, yeah, 142 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: she's she's a boxer, so in that way in the ring, 143 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: she's you know, knocking out all these stereotypes, but at 144 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: home she's married to her coach, and she really likes 145 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: to cook him dinner. For instance, include this quote from 146 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: her saying, if my house is on fire, I want 147 00:08:52,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson carrying me out, not Christie Martin. So well, 148 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: so big, first four professional women's boxing, but Christy Martin 149 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: could care less. And then in we have the first 150 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: European Cup for women's boxing in the first World Championship 151 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: for women is held not too long ago, just in 152 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: two thousand one. Yeah, and speaking of there was this 153 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: New York Times article talking about how the trend in 154 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: women's boxing wasn't so much that all these women were 155 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: coming coming out of the woodwork to compete and go 156 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: pro is that they were all coming to Jim's to 157 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: get into shape. Right, But through this whole exercise trend, 158 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: actually a lot of the women who went into exercise 159 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: came out champions um and that. In that same New 160 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: York Times article, they interviewed one of the coaches who 161 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: pointed out some gender differences among some boxers. Uh. He 162 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: told the Times that women are easier to train than 163 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: men because they are more relaxed and not as macho. 164 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: But then he goes on to point out how women 165 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: boxers do have more fragile psyches. Quote, you can't scream 166 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: at them like you would with a man, even though 167 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: sometimes I really want to. Those trouble making women. Um. 168 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: One of the women who went into a gym this 169 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: was I believe in in New York Long Island Baby 170 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: was Kathy Collins, who is originally from Georgia. She dropped 171 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: a hundred one pounds in the course of her very 172 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: strict exercise regiment and then turned pro. She won the 173 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: first women's pro boxing match ever held in Madison Square 174 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: Garden and her fights have been on pay per view 175 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: and ESPN and USA networks, and she she loves the 176 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: sport and she said that it really gives you a 177 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: sense of strength and a greater sense of self. But 178 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: here's here's the latest controversy that has come up. Because 179 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: we'll get back to the Olympic stuff in a second. 180 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: But November two thousand and eleven, we've just been we've 181 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: been so liperaturely making these strides, getting more women in 182 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: the ring, toughening up, going into those those all male gyms, 183 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: not given a hoot, no hoots given, no hoots given. 184 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: And then in November of last year, the Amateur International 185 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Boxing Association, this brilliant idea that female boxers should put 186 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: on skirts? Why not? They're women, right, they should be 187 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: wearing skirts. Maybe they should be barefoot in the ring too. Well. 188 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: Their argument was, how else are you going to be 189 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: able to tell if you if you flip on a 190 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: on a boxing match, how else can you tell if 191 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: it's a woman up there? But a question that that 192 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I had, and when I first I said out why 193 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: I said it out loud when I read this, and 194 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: actually a bunch of people commenting on the articles about 195 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: this topic said the same thing. Why is it so 196 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: important to distinguish female boxers from mail boxers when you're 197 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: watching it on TV, or whether you know, even if 198 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: you're a spectator in the arena? Is it not just 199 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: about the boxing? And so all these issues come up 200 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: about discomfort with the lack of gender division or obvious 201 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: gender division UM, discomfort with women entering a traditionally male 202 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: dominated sport. Following this, this announcement, the skirt fiasco UM 203 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: the they held the European Championships in Rotterdam and only 204 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: two nations, Poland and Romania, decided to have their boxers 205 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: wear the skirts in the ring um and the Polish 206 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: coach told the BBC. By wearing skirts, in my opinion, 207 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: it gives a good impression, a womanly impression. Wearing shorts 208 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: is not a good way for women boxers to dress. 209 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: So much ridiculous there in that statement, right, and then 210 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: um on the heels of all these complaints, not only 211 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: from female boxers who are like, what, I'm not going 212 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: to wear a mini skirt and also outrage from the public, 213 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: the president of the Amateur International Boxing Association Association said, 214 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: after we hear about its comfort and how easy it 215 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: is to compete in the uniform, it may be compulsory. 216 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: So he's he's trying to argue that skirts are just 217 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: an easy, breezy kind of thing that you could just 218 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: toss on and go just hop into the ring, no 219 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: need for sure. It sounds like a makeup ad um. Yeah, 220 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: well and a B A or excuse me, a I B. 221 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: A spokesman recently came out and said that, oh, well, 222 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: we never we never intended to make the mandatory. After 223 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: the President had said that they could become compulsory depending 224 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: on people's reactions to them, and on February thirteenth of 225 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: this year, boxer Tyresha Douglas was quoted by Sports Illustrated 226 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: as saying, we're women and women should be wearing a 227 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: woman's uniform. I mean, women can wear shorts, but it's boxing. 228 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: We need to look more feminine under the headgear. You 229 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a man or a woman. If 230 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: we don't have boobs, we're women and we need to 231 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: let people know we're women because you can't tell. But 232 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: not surprisingly, Tyresia was very much in the minority. There 233 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: have not only been some amateur boxers who have headed 234 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: up a change dot org petition to get the Amateur 235 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: International Boxing Association to abandon this skirt plan and UM 236 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: others have just spoken out in the press against it. 237 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: Because this decision UM has followed quickly on the heels 238 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: of the trials for the Olympics. So there's been all 239 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: of this focus on women's boxing lately, and the skirt 240 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: issue keeps coming up, and so far, Torisia Douglas is 241 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: the only person I've heard who is really outright in favor. 242 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: I found well world champion fighter Mary Calm. She's from India. 243 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: She compared female fighters to female competitors in sports like tennis, 244 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: and wear gender specific uniforms. But I mean, I think 245 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: it's stupid and tennis, you know why. I mean, why 246 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: should a female athlete have to wear a skirt? Why 247 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: can't she just wear what is comfortable or what her 248 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: coach wants her to? You know what, did it matter? 249 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: It just seems with something like boxing too, skirts just don't. 250 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: It's clearly a thing to feminize these athletes, and it's 251 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: not it's not that necessary. For instance, Jara Hodge over 252 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: at jen Her Focus put it very well when she said, um, 253 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: the attitude is clearly persisting today. This idea of um 254 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: a team of foxes and not oxes, which was a 255 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: quote from the nineteen sixty U S women's track coach 256 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: Um and they. She says that it's clearly persisting today 257 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: as many female professional athletes report feeling pressured to act 258 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: and look feminine outside of sport in order to compensate 259 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: for their masculine strength. And what better segue than into 260 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: the gender dynamics of boxing, because, according to some sports scholars, 261 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: boxing is the ultimate egalitarian sport if you're a guy, 262 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: because once you get up in the ring, it doesn't 263 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: matter your class, your race, all your weight, and size 264 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: obviously will will play a role. But once you're in 265 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: the ring, all all of that goes away, and you 266 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: have one opponent and one mission and that is to 267 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: take him down. But when you toss a woman in there, 268 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: everything goes topsy turvy. Right. Um. Some researchers went to 269 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: an Australian boxing gym and talked to not to a 270 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: bunch of people, but really focused on interviews with three 271 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: men and three women at this gym. And this was 272 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: a study in qualitative sociology from fall two thousand four 273 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: called Suffragettes and Satin Shorts, Gender and competitive Boxing, and 274 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: it was interesting. They pointed out that competitive boxing can 275 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: be studied productively as a paradoxical gender regime that simultaneously 276 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: enables and constrains how women quote unquote do gender. Um. 277 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: There was one scholar that they quoted um as saying 278 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: raw aggression is thought to be the province of men, 279 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: as nurturing is the peculiar province of women. The female 280 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: boxer violates the stereotype and cannot be taken seriously. She 281 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: has parody, she has cartooned, she is monstrous. Yeah. One 282 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: guy the researcher talked to said boxing isn't a female sport. 283 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: Women are feminine. It's in the society. It's probably not right. 284 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: They've got breasts that are going to get whacked. Although 285 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: they have done research on whether or not female boxing 286 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: endangers are breasts, specifically whether or not it could um 287 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: uh cause breast cancer down the road. No risk, Your 288 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: breasts are safe. Ye, boxing is pretty it's a pretty 289 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: safe sport. But the very fact that that safety issue 290 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: is one of the first things that people bring up 291 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: when they talk about women's boxing as opposed to men's boxing, 292 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: which we have you know, just accepted as yes, a 293 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: little bit more more violent and aggressive sport, but it's not, 294 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not something that is on the forefront 295 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: of our minds, it seems like. And that's one of 296 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: the reasons why these uh, this gender issue with boxing 297 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: is is really fascinating because people are so uncomfortable with 298 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: the idea of women punching at each other, right, and 299 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: some of the guys in the gym that these researchers 300 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: meant to we're just that they were they were totally 301 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with women who came into the gym on a 302 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: regular basis. It's one thing if maybe you bring your 303 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: your steady girlfriend or your wife in there, somebody who's 304 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: not going to try to distract you with her her 305 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: feminine wiles. But yeah, for the most part, women in 306 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: these boxing gyms were considered to be distracting or weakening 307 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: to men. Well, and I think that this is um 308 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why this Olympic Women's boxing landmark 309 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: is is such a good thing, not just because it's 310 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: opening up that final sport to women, but because a 311 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: lot of the coverage that I've seen of the boxing trials, 312 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: which are now over, has been really positive. You know, 313 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: it's really painting these these women as athletes is really 314 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: strong and diverse and compelling, not terrifying and monstrous and 315 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: parodies of themselves. Yeah, exactly, they're just strong athletes. Well, 316 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: with that said, should we look at who the winners 317 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: of the boxing trials are absolutely absolutely starting off with 318 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: Marlon Esparza. She's the flyweight. She actually had to gain 319 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: six pounds to fit into to fit her small frame 320 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: into the really strict weight classes that the Olympic Committee approved, 321 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: so they only approved weight three weight class divisions for 322 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: a hundred and twelve pounds one thirty two and one 323 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: sixty five, which has actually caused a lot of concern 324 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: about women either gaining too much, losing too much, or 325 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: dropping out. A Sparza, like I said, gained six pounds 326 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: and she postponed college because she had her sight set 327 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: on the Olympics. And coincidentally, her last bout happened to 328 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: be against Tyresha Douglas, who we mentioned earlier, who was 329 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: pro skirts pro skirt just just thrown out well. In 330 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: the lightweight division, we have Queen Underwood, who was a 331 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: favorite going into the trials, and then there's also Clarissa 332 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: Shields who is the middle weight Caroline Clarissa Shields is 333 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: sixteen years old. That's amazing. Yeah, she's a high school 334 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: junior from Flint, Michigan who started boxing at the age 335 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: of eleven to make her imprisoned father proud. Yeah. There 336 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: is a really touching NPR story about UM about Shields 337 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: and her her boxing journey. You want to give it 338 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: a lesson, um, But the thing is, the journey does 339 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: not stop for these three women. Even though they made 340 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: it through the trials, they now have to go on 341 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: to the World Championships in China where they have to 342 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: finish in the top eight of their weight category in 343 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: order to qualify for the full Olympic event in London. 344 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: So three women to pull for. And you pointed out 345 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: that they, you know, the IOC boiled it down to 346 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: the three weight classes for men's boxing. They've got ten. Yeah. Uh. 347 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: And coach Christie Halbert said that about three thousand women 348 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: register as amateur boxers in the US in ten weight classes, 349 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: and she said that keeps the sports safe and to 350 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: make it fair, to celebrate the diversity of the human body. 351 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: And so the Amateur International Boxing Association is actually lobbying 352 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: the IOC to get more women into the Olympics. There's 353 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: also one quote from Queen Underwood's coach, Bashir Abdullah that 354 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out because it fits so nicely 355 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: in our conversation about gender and boxing, because initially he 356 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: was very uncomfortable with the idea of coaching a female boxer, 357 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: which kind of reminds me of Clint Eastwood a million 358 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: dollar baby um and he said, I didn't want to 359 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: see women in this sport, which was based on his 360 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: religious beliefs, but he also wanted to keep his job 361 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: as a boxing coach with the U s Army, so 362 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: he adapted when the Army's World Class Athlete program accepted women, 363 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: and he was very glad that he did. And he 364 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: told n PR there are great athletes in this women's sport. 365 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: They're more focused, they're coachable, they're more determined, and they're 366 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: more disciplined than mail boxers, right, which echoes what trainer 367 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: Tom malloy said that you mentioned earlier that women are 368 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: better at learning how to box, I guess, although malloy 369 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: did follow it up with how we might cry if 370 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: you if you yelled at too hard. Fragile. We're fragile, 371 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: fragile people. Well, somebody else talking about Queen Hunderwood that 372 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: I like this quote US boxing coaches that Joe Zanders 373 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: was talking about her and said, Queen can hurt you. 374 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Queen is a killer. She has a nice doll like smile, 375 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: but you can't take that seriously because she has some 376 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: dog in her and she will get after you. It's 377 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: great embodying, you know both ends of those. Uh, that 378 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: that gender dichotomy that everybody harps on so often. You know, 379 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: Queen Underwood, man, she's not gonna mount. And speaking of knockouts, 380 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: we have talked about you know the violence associated with boxing. 381 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: But the I A b A, the same association that 382 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: wants to put these women in skirts. According to fifteen 383 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: years of data, they have shown that women's Olympic style 384 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: boxing is safer than men's and compared to other sports, 385 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: women's boxing is incredibly safe. Yeah, and it has a 386 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: very low rate of concussions and hand injuries and pretty 387 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: much o rate at all of lower extremity injury. And 388 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: not to mention that the female athlete has a more 389 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: flexible neck, less shoulder and neck musculature and less upper 390 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: body strength than the male athlete, which means she might 391 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: not pack as hard of a punch, but she might 392 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: take one a little bit better than the dudes. Um. 393 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: And just to hammer home the point of the safety 394 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: of women's boxing, according to study from Australia, it is 395 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: much safer than pony riding, polo, touch football, even cricket 396 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: and soccer. Okay, well there you go, but um, that's 397 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: study by the A I B A actually pointed out 398 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: that you know, and what we already know this that 399 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: boxing is an excellent workout. That's why all those people 400 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: are going to boxing gyms to try to get fit 401 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: for the average one forty pound woman, it burns nearly 402 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: eight hundred calories per hour, compared with riding a stationary 403 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: bike at six hundred and fifty calories per hour and 404 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: jogging at nine hundred. But women are protected. They wear 405 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: leather groin protector, they wear hard plastic cups inserted into 406 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: a sports bra, and they wear depending on the weight, 407 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: they either were eight ounce gloves for women up two 408 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: hundred forty pounds or ten ounce gloves for the heavier women. 409 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: And of course amateurs wear headgear two. So they're in 410 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: a safe sport. They're getting fit and they're they're protecting 411 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: themselves at the same time. But the one big restriction 412 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: women out there who are thinking about boxing, if you 413 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: are pregnant, you are not allowed to box. Although there 414 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: was a pregnant curler in the last Olympics, but I 415 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: guess you know, curling is a pretty low intensity sport, 416 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: low contact sport. Yeah, if I remember seeing there was 417 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: it was like a big splashy headline like pregnant olympian, 418 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: Oh she's curling. Nothing against curlers out there, or pregnant 419 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: women or pregnant curlers. We like all of these people. 420 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: But pregnant boxers. Now that is just a risk that 421 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: should not be taken, right. Um, So yeah, three some 422 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: athletes to keep an ear out for. As the Olympic 423 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: trials continue to China for those World championships, I really 424 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: hope that they will place so that we can see 425 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: them in London this summer. So let's hear from any 426 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: of our listeners who do box, male or female, but 427 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, mostly female. I want to hear if you 428 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: got involved in the sport because you want to fight, 429 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: or if you want to get in shape, or if 430 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: it was intimidating walking into that boxing gym. Right, Did 431 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: you have to deal with a lot of angry stairs 432 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: from men who you were clearly distracting. Did you have 433 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: a Clint Eastwood like coach to help you along the way. Yeah, 434 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: someone surly who came to love you. Let us know 435 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: all of these things. Mom. Stuff at Discovery dot Com 436 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: is the email address, and I have a letter here 437 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: from Justina in response to our episode about gendered toys 438 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: and those pink legos that are causing such a curfuffle. 439 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: She writes, I have no problem with petitions and putting 440 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: pressure on companies to not over to the gender thing. 441 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: But I believe the key to successfully mixing it up 442 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: with toys is parenting and what you model at home. 443 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: My husband and I have one daughter and one son, 444 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: and when they were little, we had toys from all 445 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: over the gender spectrum for them to play with. But 446 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: it's not enough to simply place your kid in a 447 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: room full of toys. You as the parent, need to 448 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: spend some time playing with him or her. And if 449 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: your little girl is building a Lego house with her mom, 450 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: she is learning that women can build and even better. 451 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Our kids saw and still see mom repairing electronics, doing 452 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: computer setup for the home network, and also cooking and 453 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: doing embroidery. Their dad also cooks and cleans and is 454 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: to go to math and physics tutor. Mom takes care 455 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: of chemistry, social studies, and English essay critiques. So thank you, Justina, 456 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: and I have a correction here from Julie, And this 457 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: is actually a correction we've received from several people on 458 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: our Facebook wall, so it's good too. It's good to 459 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: point this out. Um. She said that I listened to 460 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: the Tattoo podcast recently and realized that you said in 461 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: the Bible Rebecca was married to Abraham. In fact, she 462 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: was his daughter in law Mary to his son Isaac. 463 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: So thank you. I'm glad we could finally lay that 464 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: to rest. Yes. 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